The Greatest Human Who Ever Walked On Earth editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previously on /classical/: >>123702877
when does mozart come into his own with his string quartets?
LISTENING CHRONOLOGY OF COMPOSERS:>Level 1:Mozart (early)Bach (early)TchaikovskyDebussyChopinBeethoven (early)>level 2ScarlattiSaint SaensGlassRichterVivaldiPachelbelHaydnSchubertVerdiRavelBrahmsMahlerPartStraussLiszt(Most other romantic composers)(Most other classical period composers)(Most other baroque composers)>level 3MontiverdiCouperinZelenkaPurcellCPE BachJC BachBrittenReich (late)SatieBartókStravinsky (early)Schoenberg (early)ShostakovichScriabinBruckner(Most mininmalists)(Most impressionists)>level 4PalestrinaGesualdoWagner(Most Renaissance composers)(Most medieval music)Reich (early)RileyStravinsky (late)BergBoulezBerioIvesWebern>level 5LigetiPendereckiGoreckiNonoVareseSchnittkePartchCageCrumbFeldmanBeethoven (late)>level 6StockhausenMurailXenakisSorabjiGriseyRadulescuScelsiFinnissyNancarrowFerneyhoughLachenmann>FINAL LEVELBach (late)Mozart (late)Schoenberg (late)
>>123722699much appreciated, RYMsister
>>123722699So your taste gradually worsened, thanks for letting us know.
>>123722696If you ask me, the Haydn Quartets, so 14 and above. The string quintets are marvelous. Here's a really good resource for string quartets in general:https://davidrounds.wordpress.com/on-art-and-music/listenersguide/
>>123722696You know the answer.
Ligeti is so god damn good bros.
Worth listening to Karajan's BPO Bruckner 7th and 8th, or just the VPO recordings? Also, man, that 7th is really heads-and-shoulders above the rest. With the 8th there are some close ones but I'm sure in time I'll come to feel the same way. The 9th it belongs on the top-tier with some others too.
>>123722736kek never listen to too much music
>>123722767Too much music is not the problem here.
>>123722760the BPO ones are alright, but the VPO recordings really are a lot better.
>>123722752Sincerely don't
>>123722746>https://davidrounds.wordpress.com/on-art-and-music/listenersguide1. Josef Haydn, Opus 77, No.1 Alternate: Any one of the six quartets of Opus 762. W.A. Mozart, String Quartet No. 15, in D minor Alternate: No. 19, in C minor3. Ludwig van Beethoven, Opus 59, No. 1 Alternate: Opus 59, No. 24. Ludwig van Beethoven, Opus 127 Alternate: Opus 1315. Franz Schubert, No. 14, “Death and the Maiden---That's some solid recommendations!
>>123722837The "Haydn" quartets clearly
>>123722856There are in-depth lists for each composer throughout the article, but yeah the list at the end is solid for starting out for sure.
thoughts on thomas ades
>>123722994thomas AIDS
C.P.E bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ty-kuEttew
C. P. E. B.A.C.H.https://youtu.be/BGXg3DhArHg?si=hxjMb_e7H9HXHpw4
CEA PEA EA BACKhttps://youtu.be/xm0uq18ihlI?si=Ibd5Ix4RoVlzzzeE
>>123722994He's writes the “most ostentatious and obsolete romanticism.” He's “too simple" and suffers from “bad taste” and “affectation.” His opera Powder Her Face is “brothel music.” When he's playing the piano he's nothing more than a “performing monkey.” His works display a “supermarket aesthetic,” and putting the audience in a “cashier’s point of view.” So in short: he's a “bore,” “abominable,” “stupid, stupid and stupid!”
>>123723316holy based
>>123723316You can't just string together Boulez quotes like that. It's illegal.
now playingstart of Prokofiev's Symphony No. 7 in C-Sharp Minor, Op. 131:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0hufgn8oqM&list=OLAK5uy_nyjTjGRELU3L3G2QpiNI_63wek1dC9-tc&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nyjTjGRELU3L3G2QpiNI_63wek1dC9-tc
>>123722678My issue with getting into Wagner is:1) I don't like operas2) The Ring is 15 hours long. His operas seem to be a least 4 hours long
>>123723635Agreed. That's why I just listen to the overtures+preludes and orchestral excerpts and arrangements of his works.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r275uOKGx3I&list=OLAK5uy_nt79frEa3J9uJ69Qoqje8EGiB28y88_oA&index=1
>>123723635Same for me.>>123723724I'd like to do that, but at the same time I don't. I like exploring entire works, as they were intended, not bits and pieces rearranged by some random dude. I like Wagner's overtures, but they are usually small, and nothing compared to symphonic works of Beethoven, Brahms, Mahler, and other romantics, so I rarely go back to them.Wagner seems like a final boss, maybe one day I'll get to Der Ring and enjoy it thoroughly. Maybe.(or just never bother with him at all)
>>123722678My issue with getting into Wagner is:1) He's trans2) Not racist, just don't like em.
>>123723784Yeah I just don't bother with opera. Fortunately I still love choral music.
I never listened and never will listen to any recording that doesn't play all repeats in my lifeBelike me
>>123723635>not liking operas>can't listen to a 15 hour long work which is still vastly shorter than most TV showsngmiyou issue with Wagner should be "all good sounding recordings have shitty singers and the ones with good singers are hissy mono from the 50s or earlier". Now that's a valid issue.
>>123723866>wagnersisters are all capeshit watchersthat certainly adds up
>>123723495Tennstedt is so great.
Wagner is like Thanos
>John Elliot Gardener was once quoted as saying that the way HVK conducted towards the end was almost evil.lol?
>>123723965the HIPster fears string sonority
>>123723866TV shows might have a story that is well worth watching, I'm not at all interested in Wagner's love stories, all I want is music, and anything longer than 2 hours is way beyond acceptable for a single piece.
Purely from the standpoint of musical pleasure and experience and expression of joy, the Christmas Oratorio might be Bach's greatest choral work.
wagner sisters we just
just what was wagner? was he even from this world?
>>123722754I don't he likes that. Nico chan likes Dai Fujiwara https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl5bpnREgd8&ab_channel=DaiFujikura(I'm pretty disappointed I thought it said baboon concerto at first)
honest opinions on andrea bocelli?
>>123722736>>123722774I agree LMAO-imagine thinking Mozart and Schoenberg were better than Stockhausen and Cage-delusional
What the actual fucking hell is a """water concerto"""????Is this literally a mockery of classical music or what?? I genuinely don't get it. Maybe someone with contemporary mind can explain it to me
Reading through tons of reviews and a couple surveys, man are people picky about their DLvdE. Anyway, let's try<----
It seems fitting that the man entrusted with the première of Mahler's last two complete works gets (joint) top pick on both. For some tastes the finale is too short to balance the long first movement, but in Mahler's well known ideal of the "symphony as world", sometimes the wrong balance is the right one, or rather, Mahler insists on a certain amount of ungainliness in his music, and to ignore this, as in Bernstein, who prettifies and swoons at every available opportunity, drags the music to the ground. Walter gives us no peacockery, just the music.
>. In April 1920, Rogers decided to replace his semi-moribund magazine The Organist and Choirmaster, with a new music journal, The Sackbut, and invited Heseltine to edit it
>>123723635What are you, a fucking child? 'Waah waah, me no like opera singing!' Then you don't like classical music. 'Waah waah, me no like long music!' Then listen to it one act at a time. Are you retarded? You need to be spoonfed like this? Grow up.
>>123724371so true RYMsister, so true>>123724462people aren't that picky though, it's just that klemperer is the best
>>123724656Kek, You're so mad bro>Grow up.The irony
>>123724656>>123724696wagnersisters vs tranime sisters, a match made in hell
>>123724682A fascinating post spammy janny
It's a toss up as to which of Mahler's conducting disciples, Walter and Klemperer, did it better, I tend to think Klemperer got the better voices, but the artistic value of both is huge on a cosmic scale.
don’t give a fuck about any of this shit im doing my daily requiem listen
>>123723635The Ring is only 15 hours long if the conductor is bad.
>>123724713tripcode back on now, pedophile kraut>>123724729>I tend to think Klemperer got the better voices, you kidding? even if klemperer only had fritz wunderlich and some B tier alto, his vocal cast would still be head and shoulders above walter's just on the merit of wunderlich alone, and the reverse applies if he had just christa ludwig and some mediocre tenor. it's not even close.
Pieces about hate?
>>123724749based ‘zart enjoyer
>>123724682I was just surprised how literally every other recording has its fair share of negative reviews and denouncers. I mean people know what they like, it's fine, different recordings for everyone, I was just surprised how split it was for each one. And true but I don't wanna listen to just his for the rest of my life.
>>123724749Based Berlioz listener.
>>123724729>>123724511now ur just bullying
>>123724776because every other recording is mediocre compared to klemperer’s vocal cast. it’s just that simple.
>>123724682I do wish Klemperer was a little less anal with his tempo autism, though. His refusal to accelerate even when Mahler calls for it is kind of annoying.
>>123724802his tempos are less than ideal, but he makes up for it in orchestral sonority and vocal cast. the strengths of those two are than enough to make up for slightly stiff and geriatric tempi in the faster lieder.
He still lives onhttps://www.cbsnews.com/news/unknown-music-mozart-discovered-germany/
Noel Hiyamizu Hallucination https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnNh7Uhxcro&ab_channel=%E5%86%B7%E6%B0%B4%E4%B9%83%E6%A0%84%E6%B5%81NoelHiyamizu
>>123724759What's your favourite John Cage piece?
>>123724704I'm not a Wagnerian you kike. I'm just tired of retards complaining about the difficulty of something as simple as sitting down and listening to music.
Prelude to Lohengrin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyodILZEQFg&ab_channel=%D0%98%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%A8%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2
now playingstart of Schumann's Davidsbündlertänze, Op. 6:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKetmHjTwqE&list=OLAK5uy_lx8gN6edX2keSMXKcRJl3t9E6zEGFTOqg&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lx8gN6edX2keSMXKcRJl3t9E6zEGFTOqg
>>123725015christ that’s a tasteless sportcoat
>>123724286root progression by a third is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be antisemitic.
>>123725110put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123725061Arrau can dress however he wants!
Oh I didn't know Karajan recorded Scheherazade, neat!
John Cage First Construction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGMEPgXUoLw&ab_channel=TheWelleszCompany
>>123725002>rattle
>>123725137in this case he chose to dress poorly>>123725153how nightmarish
>>123725193At one hand I'd be surprised if you actually liked Scheherazade, but on the flip I'd be surprised if you didn't because I feel like everyone likes it.
>>123725210i don’t care for scheherazade, the prospect of karajan recording it is nightmarish though
>>123725061>>123725193Could you possibly be any gayer schlomoposter?
>>123725110is it possible to learn this power?
>>123725220Almost every recording of it sounds so identical that I'm excited for his characteristically distinctive touch on it is why.
>>123725251could you possibly be any more obsessed, rachjeet?>>123725257not from a pedophile kraut>>123725279novelty is not always a good thing
John Cage Second Constructionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEnCm8hZqhg&ab_channel=TheWelleszCompany
>>123725257not from a universalist.
>>123725513put your trip back on, groomer germ
>>123725530sorry, I don't speak Yiddish.
>>123725545put your trip back on, boyloving bavarian
On one occasion when he and his wife Aino were in Gothenburg for a concert, the composer disappeared shortly before he was due to conduct. Aino found him, immaculately dressed in his white tie and tails, drinking champagne and eating oysters at a nearby cafe. Returning with him to the venue, she thought her husband was fine until he began the Oceanides overture. After a few bars, alas, he stopped the orchestra and started to give them notes… convinced that he was at a rehearsal.
>>123726019It happens to the best of us.
>>123722678Did that Mozart thing ever get posted on youtube?
It I've already heard The Firebird and The Rites Of Spring is it all downhill as far as Stravinsky is concerned?
>>123726403listen to petrushka
>The late George Szell, when asked why his interpretations of the classical repertoire could not be warmer in tone, gave a gourmet's response: "I cannot pour chocolate sauce over asparagus."lol>>123726403Petrushka is my favorite of his, actually. Then there's Apollo, the violin concerto, Les Noces, Mass, Symphony of Psalms, Orpheus, and some others.
>>123726403his neo-classical pieces are also quite nice.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyqLnP0hOnI&t=674
Someday Liszt's Christus and his other choral works will have a revival and surge in popularity, just like Bach and Mendelssohn, then there will be more recordings.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJcDzSiEOjk
>>123726654Never even hard of this piece before. Cool.
Best Petrushka?
>>123726821>Monteuxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8s_zFQoHWc&list=OLAK5uy_kIkh34qSDvHr0O0c5YjXybK_-2tUhZXaA&index=4>Rosbaudhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWgRWpODXC0&list=OLAK5uy_lbxfj2XeZYqnXWh0WgohQamRQhv8N_rT8&index=30>Boulezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pFhKg0m5Mw&list=OLAK5uy_l0NH7jvJBMyu4fsXfXIu3Fcd4xmI4jxzI&index=28There's a lot of good recordings, though.
>>123726821monteux, one of the greatest conductors and the conductor at the premiere, recorded it in glorious living stereo. is there any reason to even bother with anything else?
How do I go from baroque pop (i.e. The Beach Boys, Pet sounds) to baroque/other eras of classical?
>>123726893you don’t, go back to >>>/mu/
>>123726893Listen to some Bach keyboard works
>>123726920I liked a few Scarlatti harpsichord pieces, any specific Bach recommendations?
>>123726982Goldberg Variations, Inventions, Partitas, Well Tempered Clavier take your pick, any of them are a good starting point
>>123724111>I'm not at all interested in Wagner's love stories, all I want is musicwell there you go that's why you don't like opera
>>123723913the average TV show couldn't be classified as capeshit.
>>123726884I still enjoy hearing the 1911 version once in awhile for its more opulent orchestration.
>>123726821All the other recommendations you've got are great but if you want a more modern one, try Chailly (all of his Stravinsky is nice):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J3Gnr0pihI&list=PLsDd4Qf9f1ufrWpxuD_00iOdHtHYk3yII
>>123726893Funny, Beach Boys were a favorite of mine back in High School too. Try some Rameau and Bach like the other poster suggested. Rameau is great fun.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSN0rT6y7j4
Britten and Richter performing Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySPgN59X98
Favorite recording of Siegfried Idyll?
>>123727193there's really no difference at this point>>123727251let's be real, there's no significant differences between the revisions of any of stravinsky's ballets, he straight up did that shit for cash money.
>>123727503Based $travinsky
>Mozart preferred playing the viola as opposed to the violinWow. What a sick pervert
>>123727513i'm not saying he was unjustified in milking every last dollar from his scores, but he did do his "revisions" exclusively for the sole purpose of extending the lifespan of their copyright.
>>123727554Yeah that's why his quintets were written with an extra viola rather than the Boccherini model of an extra cello
>>123727597what a shame I wish Mozart had done more with the cello
>>123723495>>123723933Prokofiev is so great and he's not even in that other dummy's list kek
>>123728040great at sucking cock, yes
>>123728108You oughta know
>>123728237of course i do, he sucked my cock
>>123728244Gay
>>123728284yes, prokofiev is gay.
>>123728291Yes and he is and you're equally as gay for having your cock sucked by a man.
>>123728299and you know what’s even gayer than that? being prokofiev
>>123728302Cool story fag
>>123728322still not as faggy as prokofiev
>>123728332 Yes you are both raging faggots homo schlomo.
>>123728370you seem confused, i’m not the one who has a raging hardon for sucking cock, that would be prokofiev
>>123728392Homo Schlomo, you just admitted to having your dick sucked by a man. There's nothing to be ashamed of
>>123728430and the man who sucked that cock? his name was prokofiev
>>123728454And the one who's cock was sucked-his was homo schlomo. But please in future keep the boasting about your degenerate sexual activities to the /lgbt/ board-this is a general for classical music.
>>123728471yes, i get my cock sucked regularly, thank you. i wish i could say the same for you, rachjeet. >this is a general for classical music.prokofiev is classical and he sucked my cock
>>123728490By men yes. But please keep your boasting about such things to /lgbt/>prokofiev is classical and he sucked my cockOk I get it your both gay.
>>123728513boasting about what? you said it, not me. >Ok I get it your both gay.and the gay guy who sucked cocks? his name was sir gay prokofievalso, just for future reference, it’s *you’re, dear rachjeet
>>123728528Homo schlomo whilst I'm this strange combination of boasting and hysterical denial is a result of your conservative jewish upbringing, but this is not the place for such psychodrama. If you're worried about finger waving Rabbis and such perhaps /adv/ or /lgbt/ might be able to help you but this for the discussion of classical music.
>>123728549sorry, but this isn’t /classical/. you know what is though? sir gay prokofiev sucking cock.
>>123728562Yes homo schlomo you had your cock sucked by prokofiev, you're gay-I get it. Try /lgbt/ this is for discussion of music, not you and prokofiev's cock sucking adventures.
>>123728591 Homo schlomo Prokofiev played chess as well, but I'm sure you'd agree a discussion of chess here would be off topic. You and he's rampant ass banditry would be more productively discussed on /lgbt/
>>123728618Homo schlomo I'm not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /lgbt/ instead?
>>123728625prokofiev is /classical/. what’s so hard to get about this?
>>123728643Homo schlomo I'm not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /lgbt/ instead?>>123728609
>>123728650sir gay prokofiev is /classical/
>>123728655Homo schlomo I'm not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /lgbt/ instead?
>>123728657sir gay prokofiev is /classical/
>>123728672Homo schlomo I'm not sure what this has to do with /classical/ perhaps try /lgbt/ instead?
do you two really need to do this shit every day
>>123728674sir gay prokofiev is /classical/>>123728686i’m talking about classical music. sir gay prokofiev is classical music.
>>123722678Why is French classical so gay? Debussy and Ravel are so shit.
>>123728715he’s called the bussy, what did you expect him to be, straight?
>>123728715Faure, Berlioz, Saint-Saens, Franck, Chausson, Bizet, Poulenc, Durufle, and more, are all good.
>>123728752all those are bad
>>123728756Can't argue with that.
Were Bach's passions and masses originally performed in church or in concert halls/court/wherever non-religious music was performed?
>>123728968Churches, just like Vivaldi's.
>>123728988Interesting, thanks. The cantatas I get, and masses in general, but I guess the reason I ask is ~2 hours (or however fast they performed the Mass in B minor then) seems like a long piece to perform for a church service, and the passions seem more akin to plays/oratorios, so again don't seem very churchlike to me, but perhaps I'm just underestimating the centrality of the church in those times and its integration with culture and the arts.
>>123729009they didn’t perform the b minor mass in church because it was never performed in bach’s lifetime
>>123729088Of course, it was just an example, and also where it was intended to be performed. That's interesting though, having the church be the place where you'd go to see new musical masterpieces. Granted, they had vastly different views on the role and purpose of art so it makes more sense and is only interesting from today's perspective, but still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMjmjXHJoPg&pp=ygUJa25hcHBzYWNrBetter than classical
>>123729245Damn he's sick
>>123729360You're not sure vai this is classical?
>>123729408lol that's a good one
Man I love Mozart's wind concertos.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf6Yf2A_dj4Kind of a composition question, but what are soom good rules of thumb you guys use when composing clarinet?
Mars The Bringer Of War https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DfbIjVJSzTM&pp=ygUsamFtZXMgbGV2aW5lIGNoaWNhZ28gc3ltcGhvbnkgb3JjaGVzdHJhIG1hcnM%3D
>>123729131>>123729009I always find music written for the church most interesting. Even if you look at it secularly, it's the one place where anyone from a peasant to a noble could hear the same masterpieces by these composers.
>>123729746They feel like long arias almost. If only singers were trained to produce tones as clean as the clarimet or oboe
>>123712045Thank you for the resource anon!
how do I write music like wagner?
Say, I was a person in Mozarts time and I wanted to see one of his concertos, what would I need to be minimally in order to be able to see one?
>>123730166see:>>123725110>>123725257>>123725513
>>123725110kek
>>123730367Those were public concerts, anyone could buy a ticket
>>123730534Well yes, but tickets were expensive no?
How do I learn to be able to read a line of sheet music and hear it in my head?
>>123730576kill yourself.
>>123730555>On the last 3 Wednesdays of Lent starting with the 17th. inst., I shall give 3 subscription concerts in Trattner's Rooms, for which I already have 100 subscribers, and shall have another 30 easily by the time they start. - The price for all 3 concerts is 6 fl.,-
>>123731104>It seems that the 1786 florin could buy roughly as much as $10 in 1989.
>>123730783Rude! I just want to write down my ideas :(
By the time he was living in Torre del Lago, however, Puccini was a wealthy man. He formed a Club Bohème where he would cook pasta with eels for his male friends or roast them pheasant and partridge that he’d shot at the lakeside. One friend recorded that after much Toscano wine Puccini would organise farting competitions.
>>123731386I guess that's where he got the inspiration for his music.
https://youtu.be/N-vb97ukRjYOne of my favorites In 1966, Stockhausen was invited to Tokyo, Japan for several weeks, where he took advantage of the audio equipment at the Japanese radio broadcasting studio NHK. It was here that he first started to really explore the use of "found sound", i.e. - material generated from outside sources on tape or later, radio (nowadays, this practice is of course widely known as "sampling", or for environmental sounds, "field recordings"). In the resulting 5-channel work TELEMUSIK, Stockhausen manipulated recordings of traditional world folk music with ring-modulation (and other effects) and combined them with synthetic electronic tones. In fact, the synthetic elements were intermodulated with the world music through the use of new ring-modulation circuit combinations. Stockhausen described some of the many other ways in which he was able to intermodulate electronic tones and folk music in TELEMUSIK:Rhythmic Modulation: The rhythm of one (folk) music is modulated onto another fragment. In other words, if a slow chant is the 1st input and a drum beat is used as the 2nd input, each strike of the drum will create a ring modulation "disturbance" onto the the chant input, in the rhythm of the drum beat.Harmonic Modulation: Synthetic chords are modulated to follow a folk melody (or the reverse, where a drone-like Koyasan temple priest chant is pitch-transposed by the melodic changes of a synthetic tone melody). Dynamic Modulation: The dynamic envelope of a song (such as an Indian lullaby, softly sung but with intermittent loud accents and pauses) is modulated onto another (for example, an Hungarian folk song, with a constant rhythm accompaniment). In a typical scenario, dynamic accents and rests from the 1st input source control the output volume of the 2nd input (for example, the Indian lullaby's accents and phrasing impose unpredictable volume spikes and gaps of silence on the otherwise-constant Hungarian folk song).
>mfw i actually really like Robert Levins recordings of Mozart's piano concertosFuck am i a HIPster?
>>123731977As far as HIPsters go, he's a pretty good one. His piano sonata cycle is good too
>>123731977There's some decent hip. I like pic rel, particularly for the Mannheim sonatas
>>1237301661. NoFap for 1 month bare minimum.2. Quintessential reading of The world as a will and representation by Schopenhauer.3. Erudite knowledge of history, german culture and especially King Ludwig the 2nd.4. Must hate jews, nietzscheans, stirnerfaggots and other degenerate NPC good goys.5. Must eat healthy organic food provided to you by your local farmers not companies.A word of caution though, Wagnerian music is too strong to be trifled with, you have to atleast 180 iq and strong testosterone levels to understand basic "Wagnerian" language.
>>123732050>POV: You're a dog looking at your owners after shitting on the carpet
>>123732031Ill check it out, does he add a similar improvisational flare to them as he does the concertos?
>>123730576>>123731143You probably don't have any replies because everyone here who knows how most likely learned in school and/or with a private teacher. Just try googling or youtubing 'learn to read sheet music' I guess.
>>123732163He adds ornamentation flourishes on repeats. Improvisation-ish I guess.
>>123732080It is a burden that would crush the toughest among us. Burton died just from acting as Wagner.
>>123732080I didn't jerk off for 1 month and ending up cumming my pants when listening to the Prelude of Tristan und Isolde though
>>123732050>>123731977Based, post more good HIP
>HIP>good
>>123732537>HIP bad
What killed Mozart at just 35?
>>123731977You'd probably like Staier, too.>>123733148When Mozart was murderedno onenot even Haydnwould have guessedthat it was Beethovenwho had committed the wicked deedDuring an outingwhile Mozartexhausted from playing leapfrogwas resting in the grassBeethovendisguised as Salieriapproachedslinking like a tomcatand trickled poisoninto Mozart’s matchless earAt this pointit should be mentionedthat there wasin Beethoven’s lifea closely guarded secretBeethoven was BLACKand Mozart had FOUND OUTAfter one of Beethoven’s wondrous improvisationsMozarthad whispered to SüssmayrNot bad for a niggerNow there he laywith poison racing through his veinsLaughing grimlythe culprit sneaked awayin full possession of the key of C minorwhichfrom now onwould be his
>>123733148Some illness
>>123728686autists love repetition and, for some reason, 4chan. So we have to put up with it.
>>123733148I did
>>123733148kratom addiction
Do conductors listen to their own recordings?>>123733513lol
>>123733528Karajan obsessively listened to his own recordings, and was heavily involved in the post-production process. Frankly speaking, he was his own worst enemy. It's one of the reasons so many of his recordings are bad from an audio standpoint.
>>123733148A recent theory points the finger at one of his favorite foods—pork cutlets.According to Dr. Jan Hirschmann, Professor of Medicine at the University of Washington, Mozart’s death could have been due to trichinosis, a disease caused by consuming undercooked meat infested with the larvae of the trichinella parasite.Hirschmann cited Mozart’s correspondence as a potential clue. 44 days prior to his illness, Mozart wrote his wife Constanza: “What do I smell? . . . Pork cutlets! Che Gusto [What a delicious taste]. I eat to your health.” The incubation period for trichinosis can be as long as 50 days, and the symptoms of trichinosis match up with accounts of Mozart’s symptoms of fever, rash, limb pain, and swelling.Mozart passed away 15 days after he became ill. At the time, doctors diagnosed it vaguely as “severe military fever.” Theories seeking to explain Mozart’s untimely death have abounded, including Cosima’s (unsubstantiated) belief that he was poisoned by Salieri or another of his rivals. As a commoner, Mozart was interred in a common grave that was dug up every 10 years and reused, and his remains were scattered. Without any physical evidence, the circumstances of his death remain a mystery.
>>123733593Fascinating. I quite like his unique sound myself, at least for most recordings. Listening to his Tchaikovsky Capriccio Italien into Scheherazade right now and while it's not a 'clean' sound, it has its appeal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkrd3DKicBU&list=OLAK5uy_nhN0UWmmOPsI1SrxYDaFVz-ksaIitsbrM&index=6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kkoUdjnK2s&list=OLAK5uy_nhN0UWmmOPsI1SrxYDaFVz-ksaIitsbrM&index=1I should listen to more of his Tchaikovsky today, been a long while.
https://youtu.be/fSj_ERwFuRIwhy is there a harpsichord
>>123733641Should have converted to Islam like me.
>>123733680Some of Mozart's earlier symphonies have historical evidence of a harpsichord continuo being used in the performance. Some HIPsters are retarded and use it in all of his symphonies.
Harmattan by Klein was my entry point as a 16 year old
>>123733766I like the performance otherwise, just wish it didnt have that retarded continuo
now playingstart of Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64, TH 29:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKYjqFg-Tx4&list=OLAK5uy_nhw8WtlUXEqzckrysWBj3djBdszWnLC-E&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nhw8WtlUXEqzckrysWBj3djBdszWnLC-E
>>123728752meh
https://youtu.be/Ial6a-QDlE0?si=JxiUD_YH0e7inzXwClassical saxophone!
>>123730402stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
Frobergerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ6rzEg1neQ
>>123733802Their other mozart recording is pretty goodhttps://youtu.be/EvSq87a_38U
now playingstart of Mahler's Das klagende Lied:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc9YF_WTBaE&list=OLAK5uy_ky25rKC85cRzEd-QlgFdh768Vgd8oMWn4&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ky25rKC85cRzEd-QlgFdh768Vgd8oMWn4editorial excerpt:>Tilson Thomas plays the now traditional edition of the work that unites the original Part One with the revised versions of Parts Two and Three. Now that the originals of the second and third parts are in print, it's possible to do the whole thing in Mahler's original version, but this will always be a matter of personal choice. And though musical scholars now have another cause to yak about, in a performance as good as this one, it really doesn't matter. Thomas has clearly thought hard about how this music should be played, and he has his singers and players attacking the music with blazing conviction. This is the finest available recording of this work in this edition. --David Hurwitz
>>123728686i think it's just one guy arguing with himself
now playingstart of Liszt's A Faust Symphony, S.108https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UlMnSfe0qw&list=OLAK5uy_nkWuyt-D-wuV5R0WQ5FGUowD0tv6VBSrA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nkWuyt-D-wuV5R0WQ5FGUowD0tv6VBSrA
>>123734480I rike their earlier recordingshttps://youtu.be/6L7tqmgPYwYThis is just a solid Beethoven performance with period instruments as a neat bonus. If all HIP was like that I wouldn't mind it at all.
>>123734660Hogwood's the only HIP Beethoven set I would keep. I got rid of the Gardiner years ago (absolutely boring) and also sold the Hanover Band cycle (terribly recorded). Roger Norrington's box is still standing there, collecting dust (interesting in a perverse way) but I could easily be without it.Hogwood's approach to the Beethoven symphonies is surprisingly sensible and wholly musical.
>>123734646Love Chailly but this recording sucks. Stick with Bernstein for this symphony, do not recommend.
let's try<-----Schumann: Overture Manfred, Op. 115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g5dhSwyR70&list=OLAK5uy_nUoChH6QKRNkIh6OVU8S-sP_saNfxZgwo&index=6start of Beethoven: Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 55 "Eroica"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmSC4cTOltU&list=OLAK5uy_nUoChH6QKRNkIh6OVU8S-sP_saNfxZgwo&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nUoChH6QKRNkIh6OVU8S-sP_saNfxZgwo
the recently rediscovered mozart:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_YFaoJo8Goit's pretty standard. on par with most his early work.
>>123735727Watch as dumbfuck zoomers make it a tiktok trend
>>123735744i actually wouldn't be opposed to that. it might lead them to gaining a greater appreciation for classical as a whole.
>>123735761Tiktok doesn't make anyone "appreciate" anything. If anything it lessens the appreciation they'd have for the music.
>>123734660Way too soft edged
>>123735810You are retarded. If it becomes popular on tik-tok that only means the interest is growing.
>>123735761skibidi mozart
Rossinihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFz6WWNRKw4
Chopin is underplayed IMO. If we want to preserve culture and tradition of classical music, more young people should be interested in the music, and Chopin is a great way(best, I'd say) to get people to enjoy piano music, especially the smaller works like Nocturnes, Preludes. Chopin and Mozart. Tiktok is one way to preserve culture. Unfortunately po(o)p music gets all the advertisment, slop consumerism is the standard for the (((system))).
Favorite recording(s) of Bach's St John Passion?
I joined my local community choir hoping to find other people who are interested in music. I did make connections, but most of the members are 70yos who can't read music lol
>>123736257Raminhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYJ7-TpyYE&list=OLAK5uy_nkRbpGhBVFA9JAdog9vr13IUjBuKFldoI&index=32deliciously slow
>>123736257Lutzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR3nJM50a3k&list=OLAK5uy_kzMRQb2eZUVb0IFYO5-ALI2R2rutf99VQ&index=2
>>123736215posts like these are how you can tell the poster is a total shutin lmao
>>123736324>>123736358Cool, thanks. Grabbed some other recordings by them too -- how's Lutz' cantatas?
>>123736385>how's Lutz' cantatasI'd be surprised if they're not good, but I haven't heard them in detail yet
>>123736371v. rude>>123736215Keep fighting the good fight, anon.
>>123736404more like very true
>>123722678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcei2nCYbNsOne of those beyond good and evil performances
Tried to get my friend who's a fan of classical into Mahler by suggesting he listen to the 4th Symphony (Fischer), and he texted back after a few tries it didn't click for him :(
>>123736476Mahler takes more than one listen to click.
>>123736474what's special? first mov slow fourth mov fast?
Any fast tempo recordings of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony?
Wagner raped the natural laws of god.
Nick Cave raped the natural laws of god.
Thom Yorke raped the natural laws of god.
>>123736257HIP or HIP-like: Rudolf Lutztrad: Gönnenwein
>>123726188https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmRRIIlGTo
recs for anything piano or string leddark, melancholic, dont want anything with too much kind of loud dramatic parts
>>123736215While Chopin indeed possessed of a knack for indisputably magical-sounding right-handed tinkling, and while he did indeed compose a number of tolerable (and possibly even beautiful) works, Chopin’s ultra-Romantic sound is almost nauseating under the right (or would they be wrong?) conditions. The bulk of his compositions were made either as teaching devices (he had a number of young, and usually female, pupils) or as salon accompaniments meant to serve as admittedly fitting background to hedonistic bourgeois prancing, dancing and flirting; the small part of Chopin’s catalogue which is preferable to these former pieces still have yet to live this fact down. His works are best suited for those of the male species who enjoy “stopping to smell the flowers,” and for little girls who play MASH all day and incessantly draw pictures of how they think their future weddings will appear.
>>123738006https://swanfungus.com/2009/06/the-top-ten-worst-classical-composers-of-all-time/
>>123738006kek based
>>123738006>Chopin’s ultra-Romantic sound is almost nauseating under the right (or would they be wrong?) conditions.Tastelet detected>His works are best suited for those of the male species who enjoy “stopping to smell the flowers,”...excellent bait
>>123738234chopinfags calling others tastelets? What's next, rachmanifags calling others unsubtle?
>>123738397next is rachjeets calling others gay... wait, that already happened. nevermind.
>Chopin’s music has no humor, except for a certain elegant wit present in some of the preludes and mazurkas. however, the intensity of most of his works, large- scale and miniature, generally surpasses that of all his contemporaries. it is perhaps not hard to pinpoint the source of this extraordinary intensity. it arises from the strange combination, on the one hand, of the techniques he mastered, the long- breathed sustaining of italian melody, supported as no italian opera composer knew how to accomplish, by the contrapuntal texture, and on the other, with the richness and continuous expressive interest of the inner voices that he learned from his study of Bach and Mozart. to this he added his adventurous and radical experiments in chromatic harmony that appalled his contemporaries but were exploited by later generations. rarely disturbed by the ostentatious virtuoso effects of liszt, never diluted by sallies of eccentric humor as in schumann and Berlioz, and never hemmed in by the prudent classicism of Mendelssohn’s art, much of his music has an intense, focused passion hardly ever equaled in the years between Beethoven and Wagner.>Chopin is ruthless, capable of asking the pianist to try for the unrealisable in delicacy as well as violence. The unrealisable in Chopin, however, is always perfectly imagined as sound. His structures are rarely beautiful or interesting in themselves on paper, as are those of Bach or Mozart (to name his favourite composers): they are conceived for their effect, even if the intended public was a small and very private one in some cases. That is why his long works have been underestimated: forms like the Third Ballade or the Polonaise Fantasic appear lopsided on the page. They are justified by performance, although Chopin is among the most difficult of all composers to interpret.
Liszt > Chopin
>>123738489> rachjeets calling others gay...I've never seen this thread go anywhere beyond that
>>123738495Based. Casual Chopincel W.
chopin prelude in d flat is a perfect piece of music
>>123732086The Japanese guy looks mildly impressed
>>123738672Same as prelude in a c minor, ballade in g minor and nocturne op. 48 no. 1, perfection.
chopin's music has that inherent homossexual sound
What are some pieces like Saint Saens aquarium?
>>123738495>His structures are rarely beautiful or interesting in themselves on paper, as are those of Bach or Mozart (to name his favourite composers): they are conceived for their effect, even if the intended public was a small and very private one in some cases. That is why his long works have been underestimated: forms like the Third Ballade or the Polonaise Fantasic appear lopsided on the page. They are justified by performance, although Chopin is among the most difficult of all composers to interpret.Ngl, this sounds like cope. It's shit, but it sounds good!
chopin's music has that inherent and completely unique ability to deeply touch the heart and soul of man.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpAIOFN5WQ>>123738844>this sounds like cope.It really is not.
>>123722678why does this thread suck off wagner so much he's very good but i don't see bach mozart or beethoven sucked off to this degree
>>123738889>bach mozart or beethovenWagner beats them all.
my godjust started crying listening to chopinso beautiful
>>123738889Classical Music without Richard Wilhelm Wagner would amount to basically nothing.It Was Wagner and Ludwig The II who created Neuschwanstein, the castle which inspire Walt Disney and his entire career. Without Wagner there will be no Disney, no fairy tales, no pre-war thinkers and leaders. Without Wagner there would have been no german nationalism, no Hitler, no Bruckner, no Mahler (Ironically a Jew), no Schoenberg (Ironically a Jew). The German Spirit was founded by Beethoven and Awakened by Wagner.Long Live Wagner.W.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGU1P6lBW6Q
>>123738889That's because the greatness of Bach, Mozart and Beethoven are taken for granted. Still, you will see people say it out loud occasionally.
>>123738901True Chopincels do not cry, we take pleasure in indulging sorrow>I wish I could throw off the thoughts which poison my happiness, but I take a kind of pleasure in indulging them.-Chopin
>>123738921>no german nationalism>no Hitler>No Mahler>No SchoenbergSo you're saying the world would have been vastly better off without Wagner
>>123738489What the hell is a rachjeet?
>>123738966He's saying the exact opposite and he is right.
>>123738978Rachmaninoff + Pajeet
>>123738978Rachjeet is sisterposter's Indian-identity projected onto rachmaninoff fan(s). In other words: the spammer is indian and he doesn't like rachmaninoff
>>123738966>no Mahler or Schoenberg>goodstupid NIGGEEEEEEEEER
>>123739009We could do without Schoenberg.
>>123738980Most likely no German Nationalism or Hitler and Europeans would still control the world, no world wars or holocausts or anything. Of course he's talking shit-typical Wagnerian trolling and arrogance; but taken at face value his post reveals a massively superior world in every way.
>>123724111It’s more philosophical than just love stories, Wagner is a middle ground between /lit/ and /mu/I mean I guess you have to be into that romantic pre-Raphaelite type Arthurian shit, Wagner helped me get into old romances and sagas
>>123738844Rosen has an entire section of his book dedicated to Chopin, and in it is a pretty robust analysis of his music. Why not read it yourself to determine whether or not it's cope?
>>123739016No German Nationalism (no Wagner) and no Hitler would mean complete communist victory in Germany
>>123739014NIIIIIGGEEEEEEEEEEER
>>123739045Serialism sucks cock
>>123739033and the downside?
>>123739053Poverty of my people and elite higher than ever
What's the most dissonant thing Chopin wrote?
>>123723784Read the volsung saga and the Nibelungenlied first though Or just start with his earlier works
>>123738921>classical music with mozart beethoven bach chopin debussy satie vaughn williams elger ravel... would be basically nothingok buddy.
>>123739033No cause the first world war wouldn't have happened, there'd be no USSR and the Commies would still be a fringe idea for lunatics
>>123738997Ah they're a self hating Indian? It makes sense
>>123739064The obvious answer would be Prelude in E minor, but there's plenty. Revolutionary Etude has some harsh, dissonant chords and code of 4th ballade sounds batshit crazy. The finale of Funeral March sonata has ambiguous harmony, it sounds quite dissonant
>>123739124>code*coda lol
I'm scared of interpreting Chopin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiwPzHJ-Pic>that coloristic use of harmony in this desecending 7-6 pattern>functional harmony is completely shunned in favor of irregularly placed chromatic passing toneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIkKcUeYZe0>one of the most morbid, eerie and tonally adventurous piano pieces in all of music (begins in an ambiguous e minor/g major, ends in a minor)Chopin was gigabased
>>123739124Oh and also forgot Polonaise-Fantaisie Op.61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_AqTY0jkCMA lot of Chopin is dissonant
Is he a reference to Leo Ornstein?
Chopin, while great, is not the greatest composer. You have Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Tchaikovsky. But Chopin was great, I'll give you that. Again, it seems that it's a copy of other European powers, though. Nothing really breakthrough. Seems like Poles have their own versions of European art, but they don't invent or discover, just have their own take...which is fine, but it's not revolutionary.
>>123739166How do I write like Chopin? I haven't even attempted it but I know it'll suck. His style is so bizzare yet satisfying. >>123739198>it's not revolutionary.Yes his Etude is
>>123739067Life without Wagner would have been a mistake, its Wagner and his music that has helped me through tough times, its his music that has shown me that humanity can create something great. I knew after Tannhauser, that this is it! This is the final moment of ecstasy, blissful and euphoric, gods have descended and granted me the stairway to the gates of valhalla. Everything will feel distasteful and null, my demand will rise to the sky and i wont feel good about anything except wagner, its like a drug that i got addicted to, a drug which gives you such an exotic experience that you constantly want more and more. May GODS bless "Wagner" and MAY HIS SOUL LIVE ON THROUGH THE HEARTS OF AMBITIOUS HUMANS.Now if you will excuse me, i need to build my own imaginative castles and get lost in this ecstasy of music that Ludwig the II was in.
>>123737152ty
>>123739177Who?
migrate!>>123739326>>123739326>>123739326
>>123738006>>123738047I don't like niggers dissing Debussy and to a lesser degree Chopin, but this guy does tickle me.08. Robert Schumann and Franz Schubert [tie]. Both of these composers are so over-rated and so dull that I can’t even think of anything they’ve composed outside of a few “indispensibles” which, even then, still aren’t worth mentioning. Perhaps it is not ironic that in East Germany during the year 1956, the country issued a pair of postage stamps featuring Schumann’s picture against an open score that featured Schubert’s music. You can read all about it on Wikipedia if you’re that much of a loser.
>>123739247But Tanhuasser is about a minnesanger not the gods from Vallaha
>>123739343lol
