TRUE classical music editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previously on /classical/: >>123722678
First for Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_2PjSzZO9o
Don't know why I put off Jochum's DG Bruckner cycle for so long, it's incredible! Thought it would just be a rehashing of the EMI/Dresden recordings but it's not, at least not so far.
You get into classical with ChopinYou also leave this world with ChopinSimplicity is the final achievement
>>123739326Mozart’s writing style was entirely frivolous; his later works, while “serious” only inasmuch as Mozart could summon seriousness, are still full of ineffectual writing which mainly seems as though it is trying to invoke a spritely-if-Beethovenian attitude. Additionally, his writing calls to mind an amalgam of other (and more meaningful) composers, using as his own signature only the most smug Alberti bass and flippant “tunes”. Even worse, he was the originator of a game of musical dice, making him an irresponsible forefather of aleatoric “music”. The “severe miliary fever” that took his life in 1791 wasn’t nearly deadly enough to wipe away the public’s collective memories of his music. That Eine Kleine Nachtmusik has been reduced to no more than incidental television commercial music proves the bland and impotent nature of his “works,” if you can even call them that.
/classical/'s favorite piece of every decade AS DECIDED BY VOTE:1580s: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina - Canticum Canticorum1590s: William Byrd - My Ladye Nevells Booke1600s: Claudio Monteverdi - L'Orfeo1610s: Carlo Gesualdo - Tenebrae Responsoria1620s: Samuel Scheidt - Tabulatura Nova1630s: Girolamo Frescobaldi - Fiori Musicali1640s: Giacomo Carissimi - Jephte1650s: Heinrich Schutz - Symphoniae Sacrae III1660s: Francesco Cavalli - Ercole Amante1670s: Jean-Baptiste Lully - Cadmus et Hermione1680s: Henry Purcell - Dido & Aeneas1690s: A. Corelli - Twelve Trio-Sonatas, Op. 41700s: A. Scarlatti - Il Mitridate Eupatore1710s: F. Couperin - Second Livre de Pieces de Clavecin1720s: J. S. Bach - The Well-Tempered Clavier Book I1730s: G. B. Pergolesi - Stabat Mater1740s: C. P. E. Bach - Wurttemberg Sonatas1750s: J. S. Bach - The Art of Fugue1760s: C. W. Gluck - Orfeo ed Euridice1770s: Joseph Haydn - String Quartets, Op. 201780s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Symphony No. 411790s: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart - Requiem1800s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 31810s: Gioachino Rossini - The Barber of Seville1820s: Ludwig van Beethoven - Symphony No. 91830s: Hector Berlioz - Symphonie Fantastique1840s: Mikhail Glinka - Ruslan and Lyudmila1850s: Franz Liszt - Piano Sonata in B Minor1860s: Johannes Brahms - A German Requiem1870s: Richard Wagner - Der Ring des Nibelungen1880s: Richard Wagner - Parsifal1890s: Giacomo Puccini - La Boheme1900s: Richard Strauss - Elektra1910s: Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 91920s: Alban Berg - Wozzeck1930s: Edgard Varese - Ionisation1940s: Olivier Messiaen - Turangalila Symphony1950s: Pierre Boulez - Le Marteau Sans Maître1960s: Karlheinz Stockhausen - Kontakte1970s: Alfred Schnittke - Symphony No. 11980s: Gérard Grisey - Les Espaces Acoustiques1990s: Brian Ferneyhough - Terrain2000s: Georges Aperghis - Avis de Tempête2010s: Andrew Norman - Play2020s: William Bland - Piano Sonata No. 17
>>123739326I actually don't know the ones at the bottom who are they?
>>123739394Enescu and Nielsen are the first twoJanacek is sixth oneDon't recognize the rest
>>123739394enescu nielsen szymanowski martinu delius janacek part britten
Johannes Brahms – Brahms, while undoubtedly widely loved (for he did indeed create some truly beautiful works–such as a few of his Intermezzi, a Scherzo for violin and piano, and various other sundry), really turned out–and let’s be honest here–some blithely traditional (which in itself is not necessarily a crime) and tepid material; most of his symphonic output (usually mocked as aping the Beethovenian style), his walzes, and his well-known variations (those on Paganini being the most vapid of all) fall into this latter category. Additionally, he was on the wrong side of the Wagnerite boundary, and for this a large faction of Romantic followers still has (rightfully) yet to forgive him. He was fond of nature, and often brought penny candy with him to hand out to children. In other words, he was the Michael Jackson of his generation, only he never got caught with a child’s penis in his mouth.
>>123739411ty
>>123739436He is the source of the most profound ideas in contemporary music. Any time I go back to Brahms I discover complexities I never knew were there. There is no composer I live with so closely as with Brahms. I also think we have undervalued Mendelssohn. There are some fantastic things in Mendelssohn, particularly the late chamber music.
Mars The Bringer Of Warhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t12bsdwRgcc&ab_channel=RoyalScottishNationalOrchestra
>The problem really isn't Karajan's--it's political. Critics continue to promote two huge biases against this great conductor. The first, that he was a Nazi, the second, that he practically ruled European music from the podium between 1954, the year Furtwangler died, to his own death in 1989. I wish people would be honest enough to say, "Don't buy this CD. The conductor was a Nazi and a megalomaniac." Instead, they mask their prejudices by unfairly criticizing his performances. To be sure, Nazism was the most extreme form of horrendous social injustice, and Karajan was a part of it. The stain is inescapable, as for some people the stain of anti-Semitism is inescapable with Wagner.tru
nothing really matters...anyone can see...nothing really matters...nothing really matters...to meeee...
>>123739677Sounds like you've had a night at the opera
>>123739392source?
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI3-Zx5a_VQ
>>123739394Enescu, Nielsen, Szymanowski, Martinu,?,Janacek,Part, Britten
>>123739394garbage randos
>>123739436that list was based and 100% correct UNTIL he put Mozart as #1, thus retroactively erasing any point he could've made.
>>123740070Dilate
Does /Classical/ have an Autumn list? A Halloween list? Anything of the sort? If not, any recs?
Top 5 composers? Without including the big three
>>123739326Why is French classical so gay? Debussy and Ravel are shit.
>>123740292I already replied to you with a list last night!
>>123738978it comes from the terrible command of the english language displayed by rach fanboys, only explainable by their brown skin. >>123740292i already replied to you with the bussy last night!
>>123740268WAGNER X5
What about Ferneyhough
>>123740329Don't worry it's been asked and answered already:>>123738997
>>123740217schumann's bunte blatter
What's the difference between Schumann and Schubert? Which one's better?
>>123740485Well, they're two different people for one... what kind of question is that? Just listen to them and it'll be strikingly apparent.
>>123740485Schumann wrote better songs
>>123740428more like ferneyUGH
>>123740439it hasn't been answered in english, only hindi. >>123740428great question RYMsister>>123740485one is a mann and the other is a bert
>>123739623Not really.
For years I said if I could only find a comfortable chair I would rival Mozart.
>Here it’s more like they know you exist, so they don’t have to play you. In Italy they like me. In France I’m hardly known, and when I'm played, they don’t care for it. Once Charles Munch [also one-time Boston Symphony maestro] was a listener at a concert where one of my works was played. He came over and kissed me. Put his arm around me and kissed me. He said, “You are a poet.” But he will never play me.
lolOn a recording of Tchaikovsky's 6th Symphony.
>>123740582That's funny, I'mma steal that, except replace it with 'pen' and 'Nabokov.'
i know no one cares butAMERICAN COMPOSERS TIER LISTGOD TIERcarterivesGREAT TIERrzewskisessionsGOOD TIERgershwinbernsteinbarberwuorinencoriglianoOK TIERcagebabbittcrumbnancarrowcoplandwolpestuckyfeldmanBOREDOM TIERadamsreichrileyyoungglassPLEASE STOP TIERdaughertylauridsenmaslankamuhlywhitacre
>>123740737all fucking awful
>>123740765but enough about your taste
>>123740765cry
>>123739469This loses any significance when it's said my Milton Babbitt lmao. Yeah profound music coming from Milton Babbitt.. LOL.
Damn, what makes the Leinsdorf Mahler 5 so good? It's played so straightforward and composed, and yet exudes so much more emotion than many exaggerated, so-called passionate recordings.
>>123740794but enough about american composers>>123740819about bad music >>123740823leinsdorf doesn’t pretend that he’s smarter than mahler.
>>123740737Nice.
>>123740737Why is America's classical music so shit? Such a large country devoid of any artistry...
>>123740485>In Schumann there is not a single melody, and that’s why I place Schubert so high above him.
>>123740837>leinsdorf doesn’t pretend that he’s smarter than mahler.That's a great way to put it.
>“One can’t judge Wagner’s opera Lohengrin after a first hearing, and i certainly don’t intend hearing it a second time.” - Rossini>"He is endowed with such insolent conceit that criticism cannot touch his heart – admitting that he has a heart, which I doubt. ” - Bizet>“He cannot write or think out four consecutive bars of beautiful, or even good music.” - Schumann>"Wagner has beautiful moments, but awful quarters of an hour" - Rossini
Can someone please explain to me what is the appeal of classical music(and all other music with the exception of electroacoustic music) past the Renaissance or Early Baroque at very best? To me after these periods the music not only becomes really repetitive but also underwhelming. I simply can't understand how someone can enjoy that, it's sounds really forced. Even though there's more variation in them the way they are expressed makes them all sound so similar to me, it's really bizarre. There's nothing memorable about them.
>>123740947love it
>>123740446I was thinking more Funeral March or Tartini's Devil's Trill. This is just kinda lame and also boring. You got anything that isn't fucking lame and also powerfully damned boring? Something along those lines? In the SPIRIT of the season? Anon? Not that I need it. I figured i'd have to put a list together myself anyway but I also figured it doesn't hurt to ask, ya know?
>>123740217>>123741138https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=fLDdbtHlfIbkyu4Z
>>123740947>three shit composers' opinions>mattering
>>123740268MahlerBrahmsBrucknerTchaikovskyDvorak
>>123740947The seethe is what they call palpable. Although Schumann would later change his mind when he heard Tannhauser performed.
>>123741138https://youtu.be/BIvWjI4PrJw?si=78DU6uNZrRFokHLB
how'd we go from this
to this
then to this
look at my plane guise
>>123741162three *male composers opinions matter more than one tranny composer, sister
now playingstart of Beethoven's Piano Concerto No. 5 in E-Flat Major, Op. 73 "Emperor":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWq7Mf2CDcs&list=OLAK5uy_mX0O7-UM6I584yJKkJUEn6uYU6ZXbZqxY&index=13https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mX0O7-UM6I584yJKkJUEn6uYU6ZXbZqxY
>>123741149Well, it's at least more engaging than the last rec. I'll give it that.>>123741226Now this is more like it.
>>123741138https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjwabGq5jfU
Waltonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAjGJhnajWIBassanohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klbMt9aXOe4&list=OLAK5uy_mZekds7i8Ly2AVR8Rdf-Xg3HI8kRL5EUU
>>123740217It's very cliche but it is one of the most important tracks in hip hop history:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyknBTm_YyM&ab_channel=DistantMirrors
>>123741262Tronkowsky
Best Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov?Best Firebird by Stravinsky?I'm getting into Russian composers.
>>123741803cool, though I'm getting into some of the healthier aspects of Russian culture myself: russian roulette.
>>123741803>Best Scheherazade by Rimsky-Korsakov?Reiner, followed by Kondrashin and Stokowski, but to be honest as long as it's by a good conductor it'll be good, I've never really heard one I didn't like but I've also only listened to those by conductors I recognized and/or were recommended.>Best Firebird by Stravinsky?Dorati / London for a classic recording, Litton / Bergen for modern. I'mma listen to the latter right now myself again actually, been a while.
Should I just skip the symphonies Mozart wrote when he was a kid?
>>12374191025, then 35, 36, 38-41 are the ones worth listening to. But I don't love Mozart as much as some others here so maybe they'll disagree.
>>123741910Listen to 25, 29, 30, 28, K. 204, K. 250, 31 - 33, K. 320, then 34 - 41 minus 37 for which he only wrote the intro (this is the order they were written in btw. Symphonies 26 and 27 were written before the 25th).
>>123741933>>123741995thanks
holy shit Schoenberg finally clicked
>>123740737why are Hanson and Hovhaness always left out of these lists? is it because they wrote actual music instead of scribbling on manuscript paper?
>>123742294Which piece
>>123742311Hanson?
>>123739326now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob4_9z9FXZQ&t=1348 [Embed]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgDkAiVFGrA&t=466 [Embed]
>>123742311because you are a pedophile, kraut.
>>123742337sorry, I don't speak Yiddish.
>>123742346put your trip back on, kiddydiddler kraut
>>123742314Op. 31
>>123742361Settle down schlomo homo
>>123742568settle down rachjeet, maybe try posting about /classical/ like sir gay prokofiev?
>>123742631I don't listen to Rachmaninoff
>>123742669you’re not fooling anyone rachjeet, we can smell you.
>>123742679>we can smell you.Take your meds
>>123741279Was Karajan a TV psychic/paranormal investigator?Capthca HHH0T
>>123739326Give me 1 great work from each of those composersNot in a sarcastic way, legitimately curious.
>>123742669You have shit taste
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQgu3W1Ud4
>>123742792no medication will cover up the smell of curry and shit that surrounds your posts, rachjeet.
>>123739372Chopin is not simple in any which way.
>>123740217https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Oq96xFxsRchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvrEgVOmH9ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8T-aM6jmGwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YIeqoBRPn8
>>123739377Mozart is objectively the greatest composer, coping doesn't change that.
>>123743457That's a quote from Chopin
I really liked Eric Satie’s piano music, what should i check out next?
>>123743526Doesn't change the fact that what I said is true.
>>123743650Federico MompouCharles KoechlinSome Debussy, like Six épigraphes antiques
Is there much point listening to different recordings of solo piano pieces?
>>123744214Yeah, I think so.
>>123744214Yes, you philistine.
>>123744214Of course there is. There is more point in that than listening to different conductors in fact.
>>123743333>shit taste*great
>>123744214You are supposed to read the sheet music actually
>>123744435Why’s that?
>>123740947>Schumann wrote a one-sentence review of a performance of Fidelio in 1848, “Bad performance; incomprehensible tempi taken by the conductor, Richard Wagner.” And he mercilessly attacked Wagner’s compositions on the grounds that they were simply bad music, calling them “paltry, downright amateurish, formless, and repellent.”
imagine not listening to vivaldis four seasons the day after the first day of autumn
>>123740947>>"Wagner has beautiful moments, but awful quarters of an hour" - RossiniThis is the most objectively fair of the four criticisms.
What else scratches the same itch as Carmina Burana?
>>123743315Nielsen's 4th. not sure about the others.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq8-hTa8VAE
>>123744534Schumann wanted to write a good German opera more than anything else (he failed) so he got really jealous when Wagner became the big German opera composer of the era.
Not sure if I can make it as a musician. I'd rather an hero than keep playing the same pieces all the time for 80yos in this small town, with meh pay and the lack of benefits that comes with freelancing
>>123743315Janacek>String Quartets 1&2
Did Wagner have Borderline Personality Disorder?
>>123742294Very based
What is beautiful? Is triple time more beautiful that duple time? Is a Perfect Fourth more beautiful than a Major Third? Are certain keys "ugly" while other keys are "beautiful?" This is why Prager University and similarly braindead phillistines are wrong. They don't actually know anything about art.
Classical music in its peak form.
>>123745034Maybe.>After one of the final piano rehearsals, Wagner tries to thank Joseph Rubinstein for the work he has done. He starts off very amiably and then says something along the lines of: ‘If we never really drew any closer on a human level, the fault is not mine but yours. You are a member of a foreign race with which we have no sympathy.’ (Jewish). By the end he gets quite worked up, so that his planned speech of thanks turns into an expression of anger and ill-feeling.
>>123745034no. He was a genius with a massive ego. Wagner was just too based for this world.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENd1f7Ij2qg
>>123745083perfect fourths sound empty and metallic. Scales, intervals, and modes do have symbolic meanings, but "beauty" is subjective.
>>123745083>leftist is a reductionist retard that pretends to understand art through its technical means, completely missing the point.
>>123745083You need to have a soul to understand beauty.
>>123745657that explains TJ.
>>123745034http://www.the-wagnerian.com/2012/08/the-psychopathology-of-richard-wagner.html
>>123739326All classical music is shitBean counters and lawyers trying to reduce music down to a formulaOne folk melody (not even a song) > a million overwrought, wholly artificed, ego-trip symphonies
>>123745836t. Tolstoy
>>123745836the world needs both sheds and cathedrals.
>>123745235The fact that Wagner tried to compliment a Jew but was physically unable to do so and ended up insulting him instead tickles me
>>123745841I hate Tolstoy so fucking much. The author of War and Peace has no right to call other writers pretentious.
>Now when I was a student and went to music school let’s say between 1957 and 1963, everybody had to write like Stockhausen or Boulez or John Cage, or you were laughed at. No rhythm, no harmony, no melody, and if you were a fool enough to use any of those things, people laughed at you, either in front of your face or behind your back. And you think I’m exaggerating, think of the Titan of the Age, Igor Stravinsky, himself, and he felt obliged to use the twelve-tone techniques. Now being a genius, he used it is own way and he created “Canticum Sacrum,” “Agon,” and other masterpieces because he could bend and move it to his will to do that.>So when I went to school, I was up against the wall: ‘Do this or die’. That’s the way it was. And that also meant that the window between the concert hall and the street had been slammed shut by Schoenberg and his compatriots. Now Arnold Schoenberg’s a great composer, but he had some serious misunderstandings. >He thought harmony could be taken out of music, and pulsing rhythm can be taken out of music and music could go on just fine. And he said “oh, in 50 years the postman will whistle my tune”. Well it’s 100 years and no postman on earth will ever whistle Arnold Schoenberg’s anything. He’s still a great composer, but he’s a great composer who lives in a dark corner, and it’s fine to go to that dark corner and listen to his music. Every once in a while, people will continue to do that because he really is a great composer. But he’s not what he thought he was, he’s not some kind of new Tchaikovsky. He’s more a mannerist in a dying romanticism. German romanticism was dying and he was the beginning of its death. It’s still rattling around in its grave over in parts of Europe but it’s dead and gone.
>>123746197>is a Jewinto the trash it goes.
>>123745836Folk is the one that reduced music down to a formula, though. Folk evolved into pop, which is the most formulaic possible music
>>123746197Excellently put by Mr Reich
Why is /classical/ like this?
>>123746197>>123746439Agreed.>And he said “oh, in 50 years the postman will whistle my tune”. Well it’s 100 years and no postman on earth will ever whistle Arnold Schoenberg’s anything.is a great quote, on both ends.
>>123741279Where does that light come from??
>>123746562>The last performance Haydn attended was on March 27, 1808, just a year before he died: the aged and ill Haydn was carried in with great honour on an armchair. According to one account, the audience broke into spontaneous applause at the coming of "light" and Haydn, in a typical gesture, weakly pointed upwards and said: "Not from me—everything comes from up there!"
>>123746521It is indeed, although I have had the start of op 25 stuck in my head sometimes
now playingstart of Bizet: Symphony in C Major, WD 33https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfCTZERDecY&list=OLAK5uy_lqUutz6OYBH8A_ZnlHvVZ975EHp8TVOso&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lqUutz6OYBH8A_ZnlHvVZ975EHp8TVOso
>>123745285>>123745691stop ban evading, pedophile kraut
Why didn't Jochum record any Mahler? That would be a fascinating combo.
>>123747853He had taste.
>>123747853>In 1944, Joseph Goebbels included Jochum in the Gottbegnadeten list.
>>123747853none of the old guard romantic conductors were interested in mahler.
>>123747681You know bans wear off right?
>>123747891not bans for global rule 1. go ask for cheese pizza on /b/ and see how long the ban you’re given lasts if you think otherwise.
>>123747907Actually no. Those can be a month long (although I’m not convinced the post you linked is a violation of US law)
>>123747853He did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfbm6xnP5hw
>>123747981>Those can be a month longthen put your money where your mouth is. go ask for illegal content and see how long your ban lasts for. >I’m not convinced the post you linked is a violation of US law)talking about exposing minors to sexual content is definitely in violation of US law.
How do I listen to longer classical works? Anything over 5 minutes starts to bore me. Any help.
>>123747992oooo I was wanting to listen to DLvdE today and was mulling over which recording, looks like this'll be the one! A brisk 58 minute runtime too.
>>123748005Listen while doing other activities, and over time your attention span, palate, and appreciation will improve.
Any other notable performers who can improvise?
>>123747997The first point is not up for debate tranny janny. They can indeed be temporary and I’ll hear no more on the matter from you As to the second point I’m 95% that post would fall under the first amendment. If the poster was actually linking to CP or something that’d be a different story but it could very easily be a joke or parody. >talking about exposing minors to sexual content is definitely in violation of US law.I doubt it. Have you never heard of Genderqueer or Drag Queen Story Hour? Simply talking about doing something illegal is not illegal
>>123748069>The first point is not up for debate tranny janny. agreed, you can easily prove this by getting banned and returning in a month if you’re right and it’s only a month long ban. your unwillingness to do so speaks louder than your empty words, obsessed rachjeet. >I doubt it. Have you never heard of Genderqueer or Drag Queen Story Hour?comically irrelevant. >Simply talking about doing something illegal is not illegalthen go on /b/ and talk about cheese pizza or grooming kids, then report your own post for violating rule 1. by your logic, you should walk away from this unscathed. you have no reason not to prove this.
Why do you people have to do this every thread
>>123748146Mozart (underrated)
>>123748069>>123748127also, rule 1 specifically states:>You will not upload, post, DISCUSS, request, or link to anything that violates local or United States law.so yes, discussing grooming children (violates US law) breaks GR1
>>123748144autism, and some or both of them are janitors or mods i think
Gonna listen to a lot of Bruckner 8s to try and find the best one, particularly of the last two movements which, in my view, are incredibly dense, complex, elephantine, and sublime. Listened to Giulini/VPO, Karajan/VPO, and Jochum/BPO, next are gonna be Berlioz/VPO and Maazel/BPO (damn, a lot of the same orchestra here lol), any others to add to the list? All of the first three are excellent but, I don't know, I have a feeling the second half/last two movements can be done even better.Tintner and Gilbert will probably be added, Skrowaczewski too.
>>123748291never mind the last two movements, most conductors can barely get through the first movement without putting the audience to sleep.
>>123748127I was talking about the actual illegality of it not whether it violated rules. I’m still unconvinced that saying “let’s discuss something illegal, not here but elsewhere” counts as actual discussion of said illegal activity.
>>123748305lol maybe I should finally try and listening to some older recordings with faster tempos then.
>>123748305>>123748321Also I know the Karajan (VPO?) one is your favorite but what's your second? Probably the Jochum? What about of ones I didn't list.
>>123748312>I was talking about the actual illegality of it not whether it violated rules.completely and utterly irrelevant. >I’m still unconvinced that saying “let’s discuss something illegal, not here but elsewhere” counts as actual discussion of said illegal activity.it evidently did considering the post was deleted. stop trying to defend pedophiles, retarded rachjeet, child rape may be normal in your country but it's not outside of india. >>>123748334try van beinum's for a considerably faster bruckner 8.
>>123748344>try van beinum's for a considerably faster bruckner 8.Cool, thanks added. Also while adding his Bruckner I saw he has some Mahler too (I saw the 4th, 6th, 7th, and Das Lied), any thoughts on them? A Hurwitz video came up too and from the title it seems he's a fan.
>>123748370he was a genius mahler conductor, it's all worth hearing. i don't think van beinum ever made a single bad recording.
>>123748344No as you yourself are well aware posts are removed without bans in some cases this could easily be one of them. The fact that he’s still here under his old handle would suggest he isn’t permanently banned.
>>123748391>as you yourself are well aware posts are removed without bans in some cases this could easily be one of them.evidently disproven by the following:>The fact that he’s still here under his old handle would suggest he isn’t permanently banned.he's not here under his old handle, he changed over to a new tripcode that wasn't banned to evade his ban, you fucking moron.
>>123748380Nice to hear, thanks. I'm still on the hunt for a definitive 7th, so maybe his will be it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykioVVGkakQwhere's the anon who remasters recordings as a hobby?i wonder what's his opinions on pristine audio
>>123748417conducted by House Nig-
>>123748410probably not because it was all mono (aside from his brahms 1 & 4, his debussy, and i think his lieder eines fahrenden gesellen?), but it's all very much worth hearing regardless. >>123748417not him, but we've discussed pristine before and their remasterings are really fucking awful. lots of sloppy NR and fake stereo. >>123748427you may be surprised to find out that there's no N in hausegger, dyslexic sister.
>>123748403Different code but the same name: wouldn’t take a genius to work out its the same person and same poster
>>123748439yeah, that's why it's your civic duty to remind him that he's a ban evading pedophile, moron. what are you waiting for?
>>123748450You talk in circles. There’s zero proof he’s banned or ban evading- I’m going to encourage him to keep posting
>>123748502the proof is that he violated rule 1 by discussing illegal content and his post was deleted for it, and then he changed over to a brand new tripcode that was not permanently banned for violating rule 1. it's really not that hard to understand; only a disingenuous indian concern troll would defend otherwise.
>>123748522You’re just going in circles again. Don’t bother if you don’t have anything to say
love this album cover
>>123748572certified illiterate indian moment
>>123748572>>123748502lmao stop glazing him
Anything that can rival Bach's Air on G string?
>>123748895https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0?si=XW69BuC4l-Zc6BRr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ3q5MbSgrc&ab_channel=DeutscheGrammophon-DGKubrick originally wanted to use this Wagner piece in Eyes Wide Shut but went with Ligeti instead-I think he made the right choice
>>123745083This is so loaded Melodically, perfect fourth is superior Harmonically, third is in superior The pentatonic scale is visually ugly
Composer anons wouldn't it be cool to have Ai voice command that could program musescore like an old assistant?
>>123749144no, that sounds like a fucking retarded waste of time. fuck off AI gay guy.
>>123748417That's me. I don't like Pristine. Rose is good at things like pitch stabilization but not much else. The awful fake stereo and denoising and then blasting it with EQ to compensate is almost always bad. The only releases worthwhile from his site are the Mark Obert-Thorn releases since he's an old Pearl/Biddulph/APR wizard and he leaves things mono with all their surface noise.
God I wish Chopin Op. 48 No. 1 was longerAnything similar melodically, harmonically?
>>123749317https://youtu.be/zpMdr9nBJc0
>>123749157>I want to click clack all the notes in I said composoer anons not seething (you)
>Similarly, while I have never been much impressed by anything Jochum conducted, I have to climb down and admit that he is terrific hereopinions disregarded
>>123745235>>123745904holy kek
>>123749317Have you tried Faure's solo piano music? Mainly his Nocturnes and Barcarolles.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTz7tSW8QW0&list=PLNW5TIrhZRwnN50bvkdYGuVYB3XI1y4fThere's a Ballade by him too:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZcKii9Sd-oHe has more great piano stuff too. And then perhaps some of Liszt's more emotional, sensitive stuff.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m90vsN3SjvMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUDqX4AZL7wThere's more great stuff on that guy's channel, just search 'Liszt' and other composers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75RhRlwRUVY
>>123749495yes, i want to have manual control over what the fuck i’m inputting, i don’t want some faggot robot to fuck up my music. fucking retard
>>123749597I think youd fuck it up with or without the robot assistant seething newflag
>>123749613nah, i engrave my own scores just fine, thanks. i've had professional engravers compliment my work.
>>123749651Wow they complement your engraving wwoow anon wow so good for your engravings
>>123749694yeah, good for my engravings that i don’t need to rely on a retarded AI gay guy software to produce legible scores. you should try it sometime.
>>123749730Ok so you're more retarded than I was capable of even imagining Anon, I want to lay in bed half asleep and have the bot convert my voice commands and write notes. You need to work on your panic settings
>>123749768do AIfags really
>>123749768>i want to be a retarded druggie passing out on xannies while making some retarded robot input nonsense commandsglad this is the level of intelligence we’re dealing with in /classical/
>>123749803>>123749792Retarded zoomers desperate to manually input their click clacks. Ah no I wouldn't want to also increase my time in the box by being able to do it in bed, I want to have my time and safe space for composing with my sheets when I'm fully alert, all sleep anons are pill popping nannies
>>123749873not reading what some AI fag has to say go talk to your robots
>>123749583Thanks for the recs. Cheers!
now playingSchumann: Overture Manfred, Op. 115https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZSIYHTio2w&list=OLAK5uy_l8gDtdI_DEK-3kH1HLRcN5bCHN7q9vLYk&index=5start of Schumann: Symphony No. 2 In C, Op. 61https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-T7PexMPw&list=OLAK5uy_l8gDtdI_DEK-3kH1HLRcN5bCHN7q9vLYk&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l8gDtdI_DEK-3kH1HLRcN5bCHN7q9vLYk
>>123749873>i’m an enlightened millennial i want a faggot robot to help me compensate for the fact that i’m a xannie addicted retardfucking embarrassing, christ
>>123749916>>123749902The triggering is telling. Eternal mediocre.. go back to your top G podcast
>>123749938lmao you can't even reply rightdid you tell your robot to reply and it accidently messed up? maybe try doing it manually next time
>>123749938triggered at you being a pill popping retard with delusions of grandeur?
They're so mad lmfao
How's the conductor Yondani Butt? Just grabbed some of their Rimsky symphonies, any other recordings by them worth checking out?
>>123749987mad at you being a pill popping retard with delusions of grandeur?
Another schizo episode huh
>>123750003>Buttlmao(jk I like his Schumann 3)
>>123750013why did you post that photo of last year's /classical/ meetup
>>123750013that's what xannie dependence does to you, turns you into a robot worshipping schizo.
damn Webern is shit next to the other two of the viannese school
>>123750052>>123750013>>123750010>Maybe if we collectively shame people who like what we don't like the thread will become healthy Based on your retarded zoom zoom metrics of mediocrity, celebrity worship, and yes, pills to regulate your hormonesPray I don't decide to carpet bomb this thread with my useless tranny robots
>>123750206>maybe if i pop more xannies and worship more robots i won't be a drugged out failure LMFAO, the absolute state of pillheads
now playingstart of Schumann: Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xubJKPhH4zw&list=OLAK5uy_kpl7OTX6WPaTq63EAH519O-n4uBcWUfZs&index=2start of Dvořák: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LqQPMgfhAk&list=OLAK5uy_kpl7OTX6WPaTq63EAH519O-n4uBcWUfZs&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kpl7OTX6WPaTq63EAH519O-n4uBcWUfZs
What causes people itt to not be able to enjoy modern/comtemporary classical? Is it arrested development? Stupidity?
>>123750281literally the worst possible conductor for this repertoire
>>123750294Because it's monovibe contemplative and boring as shit
>>123750294probably has something to do with not being a pedophile who whacks off to cartoon child porn.
>>123750316You need to review your meds I think it's time for a few more maybe Dilaudid for you would work well>>123750294Post something you like and I'll tell you why I hate it
>>123750374>pedophile attaches pedophilic image to post>if you call this out you're insanecertified millennial pillhead moment
>>123750402>If you do X you're YNo u
https://youtu.be/guKdhAlp-Kc?si=4-HydCqDabD3xn1GIf the music doesn't make you shove a dildo in your pigeon hole or compels you to go fully nude and dance with a drunken frenzy in the streets then you are not listening to music at all.
>>123750416incomprehensible babble courtesy of xannieberries
>>123750300I'm on a Karajan kick lately. And I think his Schumann is good, though not my favorite, and his limited Dvorak (just this 8 and 9 I believe) are good as a distinctive, almost novelty, on the rare occasion type listen.
>>123750423>He doesn't get itSo true sister
>>123750435his schumann is fucking awful, what are you talking about? never is the age old adage of schumann's orchestration being gloomy and unclear more true than with karajan, who insists on magnifying everything wrong with schumann's orchestration. >>123750439incomprehensible babble courtesy of xannieberries
>>123750453>his schumann is fucking awful, what are you talking about? never is the age old adage of schumann's orchestration being gloomy and unclear more true than with karajan, who insists on magnifying everything wrong with schumann's orchestrationincomprehensible babble courtesy of xannieberries
>>123750462laughably pathetic
>>123750477>laughably pathetic>He laughs at the pathetic We get it your derive pleasure from negativity and suffering
>>123750453Yeah ever since listening to those re-orchestrated versions, recordings of the original don't really hit the same anymore, I should try listening to my two favorite ones and see if they still hold up (Sawallisch for poetic/pretty, Bernstein for excitement).
>>123750506yes, i am laughing at you, the pathetic. sob about it.
>>123750419Wagner? More like CHADner.
>>123745761>As for the fifth criterion, I have found information from his letters that would suggest suicidal intentions. In a letter to Franz Liszt from March 30, 1853, he stated,"My nights are mostly sleepless; weary and miserable, I rise from my bed to see a day before me which will bring me not one joy. Intercourse with people who torture me, and from whom I withdraw to torture myself! I feel disgust at whatever I undertake. This cannot go on; I cannot bear life much longer".>In a letter from December 17th, 1853, he wrote, “my head is burning. There is something wrong with me; and sometimes, with lightning-like rapidity, the thought flashed through me that it would be better, after all, if I died.”43 In a letter from January 15, 1854 to Franz Liszt, he wrote, “not a year of my life has passed recently without my finding myself at least once on the very brink of a decision to end my life.”44 He also wrote in a letter to Otto Wesendonck: “My life is a sea of contradictions, from which I can only hope to emerge through death.”45 These letters seem to reflect “bouts of suicidal despair."
>>123750538You're aware this is a Christian music thread?
>>123750683certified 41% moment
>>123750699lol
>>123750694there is no such thing
>>123750694you're aware that i'm laughing at you for being pathetic? yes? then sob about it.
>>123750706Anon you've lifted half my shitpost playbook as it is I'm not giving you the other half. But only one of us is on pills, and it's definitely you
>>123739326names of these niggas?
>>123750725See >>123739411
>>123750714In your eyes the pathetic im sure have a much higher chance of being the grand. Your perception is terribly warped.. well known fact the only people who find gpt useless are either those who lack the knowledge and skill to use it or those who fear it
>>123750742didn't read, you're pathetic and i'm laughing at you LMAOcry for me
>>123750753Drug Induced laughter No doubt https://youtu.be/dCEp3xRjr3k
>>123750788certified pathetic tranime pedophile moment
>>123750799And what will you do about that but screech and howl? https://youtu.be/7NgH8rF26hg
>>123750825laugh at you, obviously. pathetic tranime pedophile.
half the thread disappears when you filter the word sister and any replies to it. I recommend doing so.
>>123750850>not appreciating camaraderieNGMI
>>123750840https://youtu.be/dpdK_0upS0U
>>123750850thanks sis>>123750874really just plain weak
what a lewd cover art
>>123750868sorry I already have many friends irl so I don't come here for "camaraderie" with obnoxious and unfunny strangers.
>>123750880>WeakI'm devastated really, I must be weak because you said so
>>123750886is the big ENTARTE MUSIK label off to the side the classical version of parental advisory explicit content?>>123750903you’re weak because you’re a pedophile addicted to cartoon child porn.
>>123750419He destroyed us all, body and soul alike.
Wagner has shattered my mind.
>>123750898>My social life is healthy so I go on 4chan >>123750932>He defined weak and so I agree with the definition because because https://youtu.be/ke4i7xNUt0E
>>123750972who are you quoting, delusional tranime pedophile?
The Apex of Art.The Brightest of Baritones.The Caster of Comfort.The Dionysus of Delusions.The Elater of Ecstasy.The Forth-Bringer of Fantastic-Fantasies.The Grandest of Giants.The Height of Heroism.The Inventor of Ideas.The Juggler of Jubilation.The Knight of Knowledge.The Love of Listeners.The Master of Music.The Nirvana of Nobles.The Oasis of Optimists.The Poisoner of Peons.The Quester of Quixotic.The Rattler of Romance.The Symbol of Serenity.The Tactful of Tranquility.The Up-lifter of Unbeaten.The Visionary of Vibrance.The W.The X-Factor of Xenophiles.The Yay of Youths.The Zing of Zion.Wagner.
>No-one need be concerned about the quality of the performances, being all-male; choir boys replacing the women's voices. They are marvelously clear, sonorous and incisive,>Highly recommended.Yeah that's a pass from me
>>123750993thanks wagnersis>>123750995who conducted this, bernstein, levine, or zander?
>>123751017lol I still won't listen to the Bernstein DG Mahler 4 ever again because of it, but nah this recording
now playing, Poulenc has some really good choral musicstart of Poulenc: Gloria, FP 177https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CgV3y4FY5A&list=OLAK5uy_n81pLunB-jkGn-Igx1RttBklwuTxL_RRU&index=2start of Poulenc: 4 Motets pour un temps de pénitence, FP 97https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9OG_zSeOd8&list=OLAK5uy_n81pLunB-jkGn-Igx1RttBklwuTxL_RRU&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n81pLunB-jkGn-Igx1RttBklwuTxL_RRUProbably gonna listen to his Mass afterwards
They are listening to Chopin btw
>>123751083Really, anon?
>>123750995>>123751034Daily reminder to stop listening recordings of the Symphony of Psalms and Mass that have womeme as sopranoshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_of_Psalms>In the score preface, Stravinsky stated a preference for children's voices for the upper two choral parts.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_(Stravinsky)>Stravinsky specifies in the score that "children's voices should be employed" for both the soprano and alto parts
>>123751119Hmm, guess I should listen to that recording then, can't argue with that.
>>123751099No. Its actually Wagner.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaZZVRd_WeU
Webern's death is so tragic
Why didn't Richter record Bach's Motets? Does that just leave Rilling for my non-HIP needs for those pieces? I guess it doesn't really matter as much for the motets. Favorite recordings of them?
>>123751188Because Richter sucks cock
>>123751176not really. he had written like 3 good pieces when he died.
>>123751188Trying out Ramin's that another anon suggested the other day and it's very good!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yuQDSfblIs&list=OLAK5uy_mnVLSvCcuzAr6xiycbsTtqlbzZZLTYOk0&index=1
>>123751220Webern is the second best composer after Bach and the most logical endpoint of the Germanic tradition in western art music.
>>123751298complete retardation
>>123750995Which Britten work was this?
>>123751327Funny you say that, I literally just put on some of his music and thought about that post.
>>123751309https://youtu.be/y8cE5Gt3lWU?si=Zp7vUkVML9yw72Xg
Britten's choral music is astounding, first-ratehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnXoKp4kDc0&list=OLAK5uy_mf00AKDd3_rDbMEgn84evb8W7mCdScK7M&index=14
>>123751367motivated by his lust for little boys
>>123751367Gay pedo music
>>123751363THAT'S the webern piece you pick? Op. 1? before his twelve tone era?
>>123751385>>123751388After Mahler's 8th, Britten wrote the greatest choral music of the 20th century. Just listen to the piece I posted.
>>123751410https://youtu.be/Qw1sqOoBFH4?si=e-8ghrJFzObQccZx
>>123751421Glagolitic Mass is better tbqh
>>123751421after bernstein, britten raped the most number of kids in the 20th century
Brahms had stored dynamite on board.
>records the most exciting Mahler 2 of the 21st centurypssh, nothing personal, kidhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZdKnCvw7dI&list=OLAK5uy_nSLRQcDW4I2DDx_ePhZiFeYSF2VhJMqWk&index=1Fischer's is probably better overall and one of the best ever, but in terms of an energetic, thrilling approach, Jurowski's might be the most exciting since Mehta's. I should revisit his 8th, can't wait till he releases more.
>>123751448I do like that one quite a bit, however on pure listenability and musical pleasure, Britten wins, I can play his Ceremony of Carols or other stuff any time of day and be instantly hooked.
penis music https://youtu.be/EI1G6OdnZ7Y
What would Beethoven think of Mahler...?
>>123751650"At long last, an equal."
>>123751650I'm more interested of what wouls Brahms think of Mahler's symphonies. There are no first hand sources of their interaction
>>123751670Beethoven already thought that way of Cherubini, Handel, Mozart, and Bach.Actually he thought they were better than him. Especially Handel and Bach.
Bachpure ethnic hungarian>Schubertfirst generation czech immigrant>Haydntried to hide it but he was croatian
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