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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L7Qf_NpazU
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post yuna
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post more gravure
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>>123758455
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>>123758463
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haerin
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mok mok
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i could be wrong but i don't think this is the lia thread everybody wanted
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lawsuit kino tomorrow
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i'm si.k
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how does it feel knowing your whole genre of music can be summed up in one picture?
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>>123758479
why
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squid me
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I love arin
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I'm gonna squid AAAAAAAAH I'm squidding...!!!
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>>123758461
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>>123758455
don't remember lia being this ugly desu
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>posts that gif of eunchae boiling the squid alive and laughing like a psychopath
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agp idols
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>>123758490
post it
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>>123758490
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can we have some boykino over here?
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>>123758493
i haven't seen it could you post it
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huh just clicked
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zimzalabim just clicked
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unpopular opinion: bea is ugly and the short blonde hair on her looks really bad
jiwoo got hot as fuck when she dyed her hair blonde but it doesn't suit bae at all
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u just know nwjns parents all showed up to the meeting with the new Ador CEO meeting in designer everything outfits, cartier watches, prada this, gucci that. all bought by their kids money.
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>>123758499
aye cap
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>>123758514
counterpoint
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>>123758514
>bea is ugly
cringe
>jiwoo got hot as fuck
cringe too she needs to get thicc again
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which idol needs to visit dr kim the most?
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>>123758514
thats not an unpopular opinion
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>>123758486
rim me
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>>123758518
esl
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>>123758522
she's almost never styled like this at all
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>>123758522
what is this from?
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>>123758514
this isn't reddit, just say it without the reddit words
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bae sex
jiwoo get fat (still sex)
kyujin sex
lily butterface (sex)
haewon sex
sully whore (sex)
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would you kiss rosé
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>>123758522
SEXOOO
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>>123758493
>NOOOOOOOOO NOT THE SQUIDDERINO DONT YOU KNOW FOOD HAS FEELINGS?!
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>>123758548
if i saw her use mouthwash first
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whoa what happened to the two people on the second left
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someone hold me tenderly and tell me newjeans are going to be OK
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nmixx IS the hottest kpop group of all time. they are proof that music is the least important part of kpop
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lol
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>>123758514
Unpopular opinions are unpopular for a reason
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sexoah thighs
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no one gave a shit about jiwoo before she lost weight so she clearly did the right thing
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>>123758557
boiling it alive isn't the problem
laughing about it is concerning
if you see the thing that provides you meat alive, you should treat it with a certain dignity out of thanks for what it is giving you
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https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/newjeans-and-their-parents-hold-emergency-meeting-with-new-ador-ceo-after-demanding-min-hee-jin-s-reinstatement/ar-AA1r7fhq
>NOOO mommy, daddy, please tell me boss to be nice to us or we'll cry
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>>123758506
i want to be her bull
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bae is objectively one of the ugliest idols active right now. but it has more to do with her cunty personality then her terrible body
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>>123758548
Yes and fake Rosé too
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>>123758301
whos this jpop girl
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>>123758570
you're still killing it and eating it, sweaty; the only moral thing is to not consume animals at all
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what the frick...
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>>123758562
for better or worst, they'll stay together at least
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>>123758569
there were dozens of us!
dozens!
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>>123758570
>you should treat food with dignity
Kek
Nigga do you bow to your burger before eating it?
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>>123758569
I agree. she was mildly funny to look at when she was fat but then she got skinny and suddenly she was all I could think about
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y-yunha ...why are you so close
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>>123758570
Holy reddit
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>>123758548
my work drug tests for cocaine, so no.
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>>123758578
based
i thought i was the only one that thought she was a bitch. she seems insufferable to be around
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give it a rest passcuck
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>>123758563
they are tbqhwy, idk what happened all of them just became pure sex after jinni left
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>>123758578
there are like 10 bigger uggos in triples alone
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hi everybody
im going to marry haerin
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it doesn't make sense to rehire a disgruntled employee. newjeans members and their parents are not using common sense.
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>>123758581
you can still treat it with dignity while it's alive
it's the least you can do
>>123758585
no because it's just meat at that point
i haven't seen the animal which gave it to me
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>>123758461
>>123758462
post yuna gravure
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I hate it when idols go on vacation and I don't know who's taking their instagram pictures
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>>123758587
she wants to be smooched
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>>123758582
don't see no scar
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>>123758600
they're just chasing money. the only reason the parents are involved at all is because they see their kids as their cash cow and don't want the ride to end
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>>123758575
These retards are almost in their 20s still acting like kindergarteners. My respect for NJ is dead regardless what happens to the group. Absolute clowns.
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>>123758587
>>123758553
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>>123758600
if the 5 members are the body of newjeans, mhj is the mind of newjeans, and combined together they make the soul of newjeans
something hybebrowns and divebrown will never understand
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im sorry but imagine plapping kot that is just wild to think about
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>>123758600
are you implying that a pedo woman that goes to a shaman tossing dog bones on a folding table before making multi-billion dollar business decisions doesn't use common sense?
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>>123758604
unlike you, they have parents
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>>123758612
why would you tell me this???
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>>123758604
Idols have fuckloads of friends outside their group members. This or family members, or they have one of these weird castrated hobbit managers follow them along
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>>123758612
omo
what's kyujin doing?
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yes I'm imagining plapping kot
i blast every thrust but I'm not pulling out
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>>123758604
sakura has more and more brusies on her legs and thighs the longer into her hawaii sex vacation photos
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>>123758612
she'd probably just lay there with a blank look on her face
still I would trade my life for it
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>>123758587
aryan goddess
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saki in hawaii feat. sou-chan
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>>123758610
Neither MHJ nor the members write music or direct the MVs. They're both replaceable. Specifically by ILLIT
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>>123758629
>yes
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illit will never replace newjeans though
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>>123758632
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>123758634
not surprised that its bognhee spammer melting, coping, falseflagging and crying kek
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>>123758626
in this scenario where is kyujin and what is she doing?
answer me dammit
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>>123758501
lol, kkura wants to be xinyu soo bad
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>>123758622
no they don't
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>>123758633
Kkura has such old woman energy going on vacation with her family instead of yachting like all normal idols
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>>123758622
>Idols have fuckloads of friends outside their group members
you really expect me to believe adults have "friends" outside their work, yet alone fuckloads of them?

don't make me laugh
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>>123758610
would you hire someone who hates you and tries to backstab you at every turn and purposely gives your company a bad reputation? no you wouldn't
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>>123758645
sounds pretty based
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>>123758639
thanks for posting my daughterwife
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>>123758649
its fucking over sakibros
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>>123758642
sakura wouldn't even know who that is (neither do we)
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chip and i serve the same God
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I don't get it bros
tell me, who violated the NAP?
HYBE or MHJ?
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>>123758611
come here boy *grunts*
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>>123758649
i hope she films it when she gets absolutely destroyed back at the hotel room, even if she doesn't leak it until after she retires
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>>123758658
Hybe is obviously in the wrong..
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>>123758638
By 2025 nobody is going to remember hani...senpai? Minju or something? Daniel?

Wonhee will be the righteous queen of kpop.
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>>123758666
lmao how?
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im sorry but imagine saki getting absolutely destroyed back at the hotel room that is absolutely wild
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>>123758638
they already have
NJ is officially a shelved group. they might have a comeback a year and that's it from now on
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>>123758645
she did all the yachting early on
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>>123758680
doesn't look like a yacht
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>illit will replace new-
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Chuu's bikini wedgie
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>>123758688
you're an absolute fucking retard if you don't understand why this graph is the way it is
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>>123758688
will is the keyword
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>>123758680
>drinking cokes
very romantic
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>>123758677
her brother did this
she probably shared a room with her brother and put her parents in another room
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>>123758666
minji looks like a bean here
also digits confirm
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>>123758688
gllit sisters we never stood a chance...
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>>123758688
shillits are getting to uppity like there group is anything more than a one hit wonder
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>>123758673
you really think a billion dollar company with a army of global law firms on retainer is going to outsmart 5 teenage girls and the most brilliant musical savant/prodigy since J.S. Bach?
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>>123758688
Search terms:
Newjeans disbandment
Newjeans lawsuit
Is Newjeans over?
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>>123758687
you gotta fuck and suck the old men to get to the yacht
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>>123758693
they give her money and she uses it go on expensive trips with her boyfriend. kpop truly is a bitch
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>>123758688
>group embroiled in a massive shitstorm generates more interest than a group that didn't have a comeback in almost a year because of said shitstorm
No way detective
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Call me Jane Goodall cuz I want to fuck this chimp
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Papi I'll like you
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scandal angel
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>>123758688
all those searches were variations on
"How fucked is NewJeans?"
"Is Min HeeJin a crazy person?"
"NewJeans disbanding"
"NewJeans finito?"
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>>123758680
>shopping bags
definitely paid for his time
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>>123758560
Thicker eye makeup than usual>>123758562
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>>123758716
Chuu only uses her money to undermine jewish diaspora and aid the valiant HAMAS warriors
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>>123758461
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>>123758710
They did and haven't stopped since
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They're literally CK ambassadors, they're not over stop kidding yourselves
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I'm glad that the lsf members are enjoying their vacations.
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>>123758713
guess she didn't get to the yacht
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>>123758718
She's so weird looking without kpop dollup. People should have noses after all
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>>123758725
get xis ass
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Wonhee alone mogs all of newjeans
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>>123758741
easy mode
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>>123758599
can you kpgcels lay off my dotti
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>>123758455

>HYBE sees early redemption claims on convertible bonds exceed 200 billion KRW

tl;dr: HYBE borrowed money thinking the stock would go up, but it went down instead, and now they have to return a lot of money to investors earlier than expected. A few years ago, investors were happy to loan a lot of money to HYBE thinking that the company will only do better. HYBE is not doing well now, and the investors are claiming their money back. This situation is making things really tough for HYBE (they have to pay back a lot of money but they don’t much money now), and the investors (they lost a lot of money because of HYBE).

Below is a more complete version of for-five-year-olds explanation (please skip parts overexplain-y and potentially condescending. Maybe I took your request too literally):

A stock is a small part of a company that people can buy. When you own a stock, you own a tiny piece of that company. If the company does well, the stock’s price goes up, and you can sell it for more money. If the company does poorly, the price goes down.

HYBE is a public company, meaning its stocks can be bought and sold by anyone. When they became public, people could buy pieces of the company. Because HYBE manages famous groups like BTS, its stock price went up when they were very popular. Recently, the price has gone down, which has caused problems for both the company and the people who invested in it.

Specifically, HYBE borrowed a lot of money by selling something called “convertible bonds” (CBs) to investors. These are special loans that investors can later exchange for company shares if they want (hence, the name “convertible”).

When HYBE was doing really well, investors thought the company’s stock price would keep going up, so they bought these bonds. In other words, they invested a lot of money to HYBE. It’s a good investment! But recently, HYBE’s stock price has dropped a lot, making the investment not valuable.
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These are the top most beautiful female faces in Kpop
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>tl;dr
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>>123758455
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>>123758747
i look like this
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>>123758752
Now, many investors don’t want to exchange these bonds (CBs) for shares because the company’s stock price is much lower than they expected. Instead, they are asking HYBE to give them their money back earlier than planned (this is what’s called “early redemption” or “using a put option”). Investors have already asked for over 200 billion won (~150 mil usd) back, and they might ask for even more soon.

This is making things hard for HYBE because they have to find a lot of money to pay back the investors, which could affect the company’s finance. To make things worse for HYBE and investors, when HYBE created these bonds, they didn’t add a special rule, called refixing. Refixing is a mechanism that adjusts the conversion price of a CB if the company’s stock price falls below a certain level. This protects investors by allowing them to convert their bonds at a lower, more favorable price if the stock drops. HYBE did not include this rule in their CBs and investors were ok with that, because back then, everyone was confident that HYBE would keep doing well.

So, because HYBE didn’t use this rule, even though the stock price has fallen a lot, the investors can only exchange their bonds at the old, higher price. This means they would lose money if they tried to convert now, so instead, many investors are asking HYBE to return their money early (remember? ‘Early redemption using a put option’). This has put HYBE in a tough spot, as they need to find a lot of cash to pay back the investors, which could affect their financial stability. The investors are probably mad at HYBE too.

Potential fallout with NJ will worsen this issue. At this point, HYBE has to reconcile or at least pacify NJ and family while working on dispute with MHJ. Their politicking behind the scenes has clearly backfired on them.
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>>123758746
kek
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>>123758754
>uggehlee
your meme discarded
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>>123758754
based wonyspammers
she was in like 5th place when I checked a few days ago
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mans really just posted that sheesh
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>>123758754
New jeans schizo...
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>>123758758
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>>123758688
This shows that
- newjeans had way more hype before than now (losing hype)
- despite their annoying af scandal, they lose hype

Illit had one very successful debut, for now nothing can be established
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>>123758754
Where is nayeon?
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>>123758754
someone do a wellness check on irene
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>>123758754
>blackpink and babymonster
this is a poll from some philipino fb group or something, isn't it
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>>123758784
Only time will tell, I think a year from now we're gonna know for sure
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>>123758752
>>123758760
>Bang? I'm exercising all puts.
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>>123758754
this is one of the best bait images of all time
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>>123758754
>lisa
>gehlee
your list is clearly rigged
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>>123758754
where's the poll where only 18+ males can vote?
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>>123758472
shut the fuck up beantranny nobody likes you or your ugly untalented turd here
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>>123758754
>unis
Nugu?
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>>123758655
>>123758783
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>>123758754
nice
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>>123758752
hybe needs money... they should sue poojeans for 300B won
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Your waifu is uglier than Wony
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aeri-sama!
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slanted eyes queen and king
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all idols are replacable except iu
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>>123758814
devastating
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>>123758808
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>>123758817
groomchul replaced her with manmo so no
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>>123758804
https://kpgpolls.page.link/2023
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>>123758815
aeri best girl
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I'm so sad that yena's new comeback is gonna be absolute shit... The teaser sounds so freaking bad...
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>>123758828
what about 18+ white males
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>>123758560
girl on the far right is hideous
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>>123758752
Good think NewJeans is going to fork over $525 Million USD to terminate their contract
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>>123758836
they all look the same
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MADEIN Debut EP 'Rising' Physical sales

Day 1: 34,032
Day 2: 30
Day 3: 11
Day 4: 31
Day 5: 14,281
Day 6 : 6,405 ( still counting )

Total: 54,790
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>>123758604
Don't worry, it's always their bfs
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>>123758752
>HYBE is a public company, meaning its stocks can be bought and sold by anyone.

BRB buying 0.000000001% of Hanni
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idols don't have bfs right?
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>>123758851
just pfs (plapfriends)
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>>123758849
jus fuck my shit up
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>>123758854
what about kpgers?
do they have plapfriends?
how do i find a kpg plapfriend?
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>>123758862
hi
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>>123758848
I want to buy kpop stocks but now can I do it as an American?
I assume they're only sold on the Seoul stock exchange, and I would need a broker but they're all in Korea
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kyujin bouncing and moaning on it and telling you how much she loves it
lily looking through the slightly open door with tears in her eyes
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>>123758851
They either have bfs or are just sleeping around, but they're all definitely having copious amounts of sex
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>>123758833
just heard it you're right
shame cause I usually like most of her music
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>>123758874
shut up, idols are pure!
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>>123758871
kyujin is a SLUT but she's my SLUT
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>>123758867
hi!
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>>123758754
gofuckyourselfs wony haters. wony wins again
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>>123758871
>>123758883
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https://youtu.be/8I8f5YbIpD8
juhyeon gyatt
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Eh?! Minju-san got fake tattoos for a photoshoot?
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>>123758874
Seowony is taken bros, it's over
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do you prefer your waifu being in a longterm relationship or having one night stands? those are the only 2 realistic options
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>>123758851
just hanni
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>>123758851
yeji has ryujin
karina has winter
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>>123758851
>>123758874
>>123758881
The pure ones are the ones that only have s*x with their groupmates
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>>123758892
i know the axis is shrunk but that decline looks non trivial, am i wrong?
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>>123758754
1. haerin
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>>123758908
are you retarded? it literally says -22% right there
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>>123758900
longterm ez
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>>123758908
it's trivial, investors don't mind losing 25% of the value of their investments
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Arin is cute as heck.
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>>123758754
brown sisters we did it! our girls womy and gehlee are top 3!
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>>123758914
i don't know shit about stocks that's why i'm asking. i don't know how bad that really is
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>>123758518
aren't most kpop parents already aristocrats?
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i was thinking...if korean popular music stops being popular...do we still call it kpop? like, is loosemble kpop even though nobody listens to them? shouldnt it be something like...kshit?
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>>123758903
>>123758906
do idols date really each other..?
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I would be having lots of sex too if I was attractive and constantly around other attractive people
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>>123758906
arin
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>>123758912
she's got the most beautiful mind
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>>123758754
>bogged jungle girls
well they certainly have a type
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>>123758868
tradrin
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>>123758930
not me i prefer an emotional bond
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Why don't we post exo cbx anymore
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>>123758930
we failed at step 1 and never bothered trying for step 2
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I don't want kpop to evolve. I want it to stay the way it was when I got into it - 2014.
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>>123758927
just oh my girl
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>>123758608
don't pretend you every cared. nobody believes you, tryhard as you might.
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>>123758927
no but they have s*x
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>>123758927
yes but most only gaybait so it's right to see through the real ships
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>>123758481
do normies have no sense of humor beyond "haha racism"?
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>>123758754
>gelee
>elisia

who are these nugus

>born in phillipines

ah makes sense

SEA spam votes
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>>123758481
haha racism
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if you think about it, blackedpink is the only true kpop, having garnered international credibility. newjeans was almost kpop until auntie tanked the group.
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>>123758960
>it's right
it's hard*
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i'm off to take a lisa
don't post anything good while i'm gone
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>>123758610
this.
>>123758634
ask me how i know you're only into kpop for the gooning
>>123758647
>backstab
like paying journalists to write negative articles about them ... oh wait ...
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brown and strong
amazon's feet
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>>123758940
>2014
it was already over by then
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something like fromis, theyre more like kwhores. or kholes. and something like itzy transcends kpop to just become pop.
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>>123758610
>the 5 members are the body of newjeans, mhj is the mind of newjeans, and
ador is the holy spirit
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clueless look
@
tasty toes
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gonna do it to liz
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>>123758940
boomer kpop was kino
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>>123758752


>“Instead of investing in this company, I’d rather invest in the Korean bbq rib restaurant in my neighborhood.”

>“Even in this situation, they bought viral marketing and media company in the U.S. lol. Don’t they feel anything looking at how the public turned their back against them? Do they really think their old strategies will work even now when everyone knows how low they are? So clueless. Using that viral marketing against their own artists. Looks like this thug company might get delisted soon.”

>“Bang Si-hyuk will have to sell his house in LA to handle this.”

>“No worries. He can sell his LA house and pay up a tenth of the debt ;)”

>“This is the first time I’ve seen a company where the majority of consumers hope it collapses. HYBE should just get into making games since its executives are all from game companies anyway.”

>“After Min Hee-jin’s press conference, the company’s market value has dropped by nearly 3 trillion won. Does HYBE’s CEO and executives have any intention of protecting their stock value? It seems like these guys only know how to manipulate stocks with insider trading. The real culprits of BOT are Bang Si-hyuk, Lee Jae-sang, and the executives.”

>“Sungsimdang (a famous bakery in S Korea, there’s only one branch in Daejeon) generates more sales and operating profit than HYBE lol. Ithaca is losing hundreds of billion won every year after they bought that company at 1 trillion won; A company they collaborated with Dunamu has collapsed, and they have to pay out for MHJ put option. Now they need 4 billion for CB Conversion,.. yo Shi hyuk, looks like now is no time for instagram-husband-ing for Juicy Seyeon in LA”

>“A 7 trillion won entertainment company can’t handle 4 billion won debt? Have they been wasting their profits or what? There’s no extra funds or reserves even after all their hit groups?”
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>>123758940
too bad
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>>123758937
karina sobbed in public after being forced to stop fucking jaewook, so some idols do actually form relationships, not just sportfucking
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>>123758991
>no twice in 3rd gen
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I ain't reading all that
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>>123758836
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something like aespa tho? industry plants. chameleons. global agents of change. they spoke to the UN lol. def not kpop.
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>>123758940
i like nine muses rainbow kara fx t-ara piggy dolls miss a secret fiestar 4minute ns yoon g f-ve dolls exid aoa hellovenus bestie lip service bob girls stellar and ladies code
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>>123758991
>PSY is 3rd gen (2012)
LMAO what the fuck
PSY has been on the stage since the millenium. Love his track titled "The End" from 2004, very dark and moody.
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>dating bomi for 8 years
>not once has rado knocked her up
what did he mean by this?
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>>123759006
shut it down
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what we need is dprkpop, really, if were being honest with ourselves
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>>123758963
>>123758967
The post inbetween both of yours is haha racism too, its not limited to normalfags
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>>123759010
>gangnam style is 12 years old
;_;
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Interview with a 서울신문 (Seoul Shinmun) Reporter who played a recording with the Head of PR at HYBE that told him to "correct" an article, and they wanted the reporter to downplay NewJeans' achievements in Japan and start a narrative that they actually didn't do that well lmfao

Other highlights include: Wanting to start a narrative that NewJeans was gaslit by MHJ, and they straight up tried to influence the reporter/Seoul Shinmun to push HYBE's narratives through golf (the stuff MHJ talked about in her first press conference!!) and advertising deals

https://x.com/juantokki/status/1838741284045078804
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>>123759012
He's waiting for marriage.
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>>123759007
based
except for Piggy Dolls, and Bob Girls because they had zero good songs
although Gina from Bob Girls is kinda cute
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when will we get ipop? or seapop? give the people what they want. true representation.
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if Aespa are industry plants NewJeans are the reptilian illuminati
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>>123758504
yea she's so pretty
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newjeans are useful idiots in a scheme larger than themselves
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>>123759005
eww
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>>123759012
koreans have microdicks maybe he can't do it
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>>123759012
Bomi doesn't want a kid yet. That's why Gary stopped chasing Song Ji Hyo. It's common in SK celebs.
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my hard drive died, didn't made a backup for the hundreds webm I created, kpop for this feel?
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>>123758851
They have bogged giga chads they order to fuck them every time they want and on fashion shows, they fuck the highest bid
>>123758881
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>123759026
bot post lol
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>Da đẹp 0% khuyết điểm, bảo sao Black Pink tiết lộ 8 bí kíp skincare khiến nàng nào cũng hăm hở muốn biết.jpg
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>>123759026
Actually, ruspop is the next big thing.
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>>123758646
:(
yeah
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>>123759034
the biggest idiot is you
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>>123759059
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All lies will eventually be exposed, yet the clowns at hybe keep running their mouths. I can't wait for people to dig deeper into the relationship between , hybe america and p diddler. No amount of good PR will save them now
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>>123758996
>karina sobbed in public
No she didn't
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>>123758851
I'm sure the ones on fashion shows and movie festivals like Jennie are having one night stands with millionaires. There's no way supermodels and IG thots get flown by ballers and oil barons yet Kpop idols don't get the same treatment.
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>>123758870
i looked into and you really can't without a broker, and it would be difficult to secure favorable terms, as a pleb. you could buy an ETF with korean market exposure, but it's be more samsung than hybe.
i'm still kicking it around. i'd like to own 0.0000000001% of Hanni too
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>>123759069
i see your point, but i didn't wanna know the truth..
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>first group gets split up because of one member
>second self implodes
must be terrible



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