Brahms editionhttps://youtu.be/kcd6ZKOJzkgThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previous thread: >>123751806
>>123766230>https://youtu.be/kcd6ZKOJzkgExcellent work and recording.
you were faster, was about to do a boulez edition
>>123766182modernism passed about a century ago, actually. we’ve been in post-modernism since the end of the second world war. >>123766200>Musically illiterate moment.what dissonances did bach invent that were foreign to palestrina or any other renaissance composer? go on, show me. the entirety of gesualdo’s madrigals has more dissonance than the average bach cantata. >Which are completely in terms with the modern standards.modernity by definition has no standard though. do you even know what modernity means? of course not, you didn’t even realize we were living in post-modernism. >The ancient rules of different era no longer apply I'm afraid.you don’t get to redact the fundamentals of tonal counterpoint by screaming “CURRENT YEAR” i’m afraid>>123766221>Yeah if are musically illiteratespeaking of illiterate
Shostakovich's counterpoint lacks the tight integration of voices that one sees in great contrapuntists. There is often little sense of rhythmic dialogue between the lines, and the voices fail to create the kind of syncopated tension and release that would elevate the counterpoint. Instead, the voices frequently seem rhythmically disjointed, reducing the overall cohesiveness of the polyphony.
Shostakovich.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPOWn8J4B1k&list=OLAK5uy_lRRrataMHvL4ulRYRz3Cp7v1vzmnN-dJE&index=1&pp=8AUB
>>123766299second pressing of mahler
oh my god....SHUT THE FUCK UP about SHOSTAKOVICH already.
>>123766299a better alternative of mahler
now we're talkin'
>>123766318bait is supposed to be believable>>123766324intolerable
>>123766324You could land a plane on that forehead.
>>123766230Karajan is the greatest conductor of Brahms
>>123766324For the love of god, stop listening to Mahler, his music is bland, slow and distasteful. I listened to mahler resurrection and no matter how many different recordings i tried, it always sounded ugly and disoriented, the music itself is like abstract art, like a child urinated on canvas. I cant by any means touch any stuff by mahler.FUCK MAHLER.
>>123766325You know which two I've liked a lot more in recent times? Levine's 6th and Bernstein's Sony 6th.
>>123766344It's okay, I listen to enough for the both of us :)
>>123766317Why? It's much better than talking about Mahler 24/7.Have you even listened to Shostakovich? Post your favorite recording, any piece
>>123766385>Have you even listened to Shostakovich? Post your favorite recording, any pieceokay
>>123766343bait is supposed to be believable>>123766345i’ve never liked the sony 6th, it has all the downsides of the vienna 6th and none of the upsides. levine’s mahler is just unlistenable.>>123766385i’m glad we have definitive proof that it’s slavejeets, and only slavejeets, who take issue with mahler.
Favorite /classical/ meme?
>>123766448The Vagner meme
>>123766453I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.
>>123766255Postmodernism died with Berio.
Are there any modern pianists that can offer something different / worthwhile in regards to popular repertoire, eg Beethoven sonatas?
>>123766462mind explaining how?
what's your top 5 4th symphonies?
>>123766474vikingur olafsson
>>123766486Brahms, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Bruckner, SchumannI'm probably gonna remember another one right after I post this but currently that looks about right.
>>123766415>okayAre you the anon I was originally replying to?
>>123766500why do you ask
>>123766493does anyone know how this guy and klaus makela managed to become overnight sensations with the PR people and journos without actually having any talent? did they suck the right cocks or something?
>>123766415Just added that recording, thanks. I don't care much for Shostakovich's symphonies anymore but I'll always love his chamber music and some orchestral stuff (eg string and piano concerti, some suites). His string quartets are brilliant.
>>123766509My question was specifically for that anon
>>123766522>don't care much for Shostakovich's symphonies anymoreSad.
>>123766462Fuck no he was one of the first truly Post-modern musicians.
>>123766543Yeah :( I still try on occasion but it just does nothing for me anymore, it all sounds like an anxiety-riddled mess, aka no musical or emotional upside. I used to really like them too. Maybe it'll rebound someday.
>>123766543it’s called finishing puberty, you should try it sometime
>>123766578>it's called finishing puberty,Wow, then I guess nearly every major orchestra members, conductors, classical enthusiasts, musicologists and critics are all juvenile! You are le grown up
>>123766521they look like this guy, that's all
>>123766624lots of those people don’t like shostakovich. it’s almost like dave hurwitz doesn’t speak for the entire classical music community.
>>123766638And lots of them do. Almost like different tastes exist
>>123766644lots of people can be wrong at once, yes.
>>123766657There is no wrong or right here
>>123766674you’re right, it’s a matter of bad taste and good taste, and shostakovich is in abhorrent taste.
>>123766521I think Olafsson might single handedly save classical music.The core repertoire has been done to death so many times, and we don't need the umpteenth recording of Beethoven's piano concertos or Chopin's nocturnes.The only thing that would fix the current state of affairs is what Olafsson is trying to do with his concept albums and mixed up programs with a unified theme. It's a refreshing way of looking at the music in a new light.
>>123766448petzold
>>123766707there’s a reason why this pasta never caught on you know
>>123766733yes, its true
>>123766448Allegro For Mechanical Clockhttps://youtu.be/BIvWjI4PrJw?si=vx14Q1Px2G7NWeqq
Bartók's 5th String Quartet, performed by the Kolisch Quartet.https://youtu.be/xUDWR8bkeDs?si=or0ipWCZBjwBPqzF
>>123764906>>123764322Takacs is the usual recommendation for those works. I'll check out that one though.
>>123766810Don't forget to check out their 1954 mono cycle!
>>123766896why, is the intonation on it even worse than their stereo one?
>>123766896Just listened to the first one, and it's quite good! Though admittedly I've only heard like two or three different cycles, and I'm not a massive Bartok fan anyhow, but I'll definitely listen to the rest.
>>123766912https://youtu.be/Eq6NZap1JYA?si=OfNCYnVymuA4XHBb
>>123766896>>123767191O lmao funny enough I have heard that cycle, only because when I was getting back into classical like 9 months ago I was really into that guy's youtube channel and whenever I wanted to listen to something I'd check out his uploaded recordings first. I remember enjoying it, as well as the other Vegh recordings.
>>123767191sounds like a yes to me, these guys play so many quarter tones you’d think they were playing ligeti. >>123767220my condolences
>>123767191Awesome recording
ah who to believe...>>123767240Love that guy's youtube channel, it's all older recordings. It's why I'm such a big fan of the Vegh, Busch, Budapest, Barylli, Borodin, Amadeus, and more quartets from the 50s and 60s, all 'cuz of this guy.
>here's your sheet bro
The first time I really listened to Ligeti’s Atmospheres, it was like being struck by lightning. Not only was it a profound emotional journey, I found myself feeling emotions that I had never heard expressed through music before. It completely changed how I listened.
>>123767276sorry you were stockholmed into liking bad quartet playing, i pray this changes one day
>>123767282https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12CQapAHiTkIs it that all of those groups are bad or you think string ensembles as a whole have improved in more recent decades then?
just for fun, Bruckner:3: Sinopoli4: Jochum (DG), then Tennstedt or Bohm5: Barenboim/BPO, then Skrowaczewski 6: Tintner, then Stein or Klemperer or Celibidache (Sony)7: Karajan, then Jochum (DG) or Giulini or Celibidache (EMI)8: Karajan, then Maazel9: Karajan, then Kubelik or Bernstein (DG)prob forgot about some runner-ups but the first choices should all be correct. Would be interested to hear others.
>>123767343whoops meant to quote: >>123767294
Lalandehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sdXgSQ8R6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mW2QIMxDaNmcp1WtvLqbhPPaEO2NCEZTI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_rESlGKYZ0&ab_channel=SviatoslavRichter-TopicShostakovich: Preludes and Fugues for Piano, Op. 87: No. 15 in D flat
>>123768217Gorgeous music, certainly one of the very best solo piano works of the 20th century.
>>123766230shlomo poster btfo:>>123765575
>>123767343not all of those groups are bad, just a decent number of them; and yes, i think chamber musicianship has never been better than today. >>123768217hideous music, certainly one of the very most embarrassing examples of counterpoint in all of music history.
>>123768579put your trip back on, pedophile kraut
>>123768591who?
>>123768604you, pedophile kraut. put your trip back on.
>>123768613swing and a miss, shlomo sister.
>>123768623you’re not fooling anyone, groomer germ. put your trip back on.
>>123768627chill out and listen to some Shostakovich.
>>123768581>singing decline>conducting decline>solo virtuosos in decline>chamber musicians at their bestIt really is weird. Gives me hope that we'll see a reversal for the others in time.
>>123768640stop ban evading and put your trip back on, kiddydiddler kraut>>123768649i don’t know if solo virtuosos are in decline. i think the quality has mostly stayed the same. the other 2 are definitely in decline though, with no sign of course correction.
>>123768672Violinists are mostly in a decent spot, the same as most other string players. Harpsichordists are good. I think pianism is more variable than it's ever been, though. Some highs still left, but the lows go low, and the competition industry has left the world producing mindless chink prodigies left and right with nary an interpretive bone in their body. No different from listening to a MIDI.
>>123768691solo violinists have declined, but they aren’t actively declining. we don’t really have any more grumiauxs or milsteins, but it’s not like the bar of solo violin playing is on the floor either. i think solo piano playing is what’s remained about comparable on average in the last 50 years, even if, as you said, the results are extremely variable. my assumption is that the passage of time has not yet done away with mediocrities like olafsson or wang, and that it will eventually so that only the best remain for posthumous review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JnmGC5eDak&list=PLwGv0T3Az2lKdMri0D2M7mv1H0DwzxW6F&index=20&ab_channel=VladimirAshkenazy-TopicShostakovich: Preludes and Fugues for Piano, Op. 87 - Prelude & Fugue No. 10 in C sharp minor
>>123768753see >>123768581
>>123768723>last 50 yearsThat metric changes things. I agree with you in that context.
>>123768770ok, TJ.
>>123768774what metric were you going off of? the last century?>>123768784why are you so scared of your own tripcode, pedo kraut? you used to be so proud of it. go on, put it back on.
>>123768793Yeah.
>>123768784What causes (Dead)?
>>123768803They died
>>123768801yeah, i find it hard to compare with pianists from the early 20th century because they were so utterly different and removed from everything that came after. i think there’s a more obvious and comprehensible lineage from the 50s and onwards once the hoffman style became the norm
>>123768793why do you get filtered by Russian composers who use synthetic tonalities? you wouldn't even recognize a V9b5 chord if was beating you over the head with a hammer.
>>123768861didn’t ask pedo kraut, try putting your trip back on instead.
>>123766230>brahmsian is a feuerbach fanColour me surprised.
>>123768886Brahms was a friend of Feuerbach and wrote his setting of Nänie in memory of him after his death.
>>123768885didn't ask for you to spam your garbage comments either, yet here we are being subjected to your flood of bullshit every hour of every day over the past few years.fuck. you.I hope you kill yourself.
>>123768920I know. Why do you think I posted about it?
>>123768929maybe stop seething and try putting your trip back on instead, pedo kraut
>>123768932To clarify the context for the sake of the curious.
Faure's Requiem seems like one of those works I would love more if I just found the right recording.
Why do people hate Tennstedt?
>>123769340No soul (the haters, not Tennstedt).
>>123769340literally just the european bernstein
>>123769340I don't really hate him, just don't like him in Mahler. And for some reason people shill his Mahler recordings the most. He has some good Beethoven of the traditional sort.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AU1eHuKTF8c
>>123766230indeed.>>123769540
>>123768920The two most boring, unoriginal artists of the 19th century.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D3LZ79VfZ08&pp=ygUmc2hvc3Rha292aWNoIGUgbWlub3IgcHJlbHVkZSBhbmQgZnVndWU%3D
post a melody and I will write a fugue on it.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZlB2tRyvQw
Chopin https://youtu.be/4IR1kkOdB-Y?si=gYuUgvDy9OlzOORF
>>123770854God Save The King
Chopin https://youtu.be/eopfBkz9ZGQ?si=FaOOsc1yps9MbegD
>>123771051already been done. post something weird.
>>123770854For real? Vocaroo or sheet?
>>123771084both
>>123771063Chopin is my life, quite literally.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_vZtpjNKVE
Chopin https://youtu.be/bsc54y50IxM?si=hp_9sErSkahErE9T
>>123771077Under My Thumb
>>123771212pic related?
>>123771255Yes there’s a little marimba riff too you could go for https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcR648Cg3I&pp=ygUOdW5kZXIgbXkgdGh1bWI%3D
>>123771272on it.
>>123770854God save the Tsar
>>123771097Not my original melody, but I might post one if you're up for morehttps://vocaroo.com/1h9NZ5DczPYJ
>>123771301Since everyone posted music, might as wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Krok-2Cac0
Mozart - RaphaelBeethoven - MichelangeloBach - Da Vinci
>>123771513Who’s the fourth turtle - Donatello?
>>123771563Haydn
i like this
>>123771513Wagner - Delacroix
https://youtu.be/xDTgj_69JKA?si=qPW6MtOhu89EtfN6Scriabin is GOD.
>>123771647Is that for two pianos?
>>123771758i think not
>>123771513schoenberg - kandinskyberg - schielewebern - mondrian
>>123771825Oh, I can’t follow that sheet music at all for the introduction it’s just so fast
>>123771647>Pianist Sviatoslav Richter described it as the most difficult piece in the entire piano repertory.
>>123771513>Bach - Da Vincilol noI would say Bach is Caravaggio or Rembrandt
Ravel- Louis Wain
>>123766638>it’s almost like dave hurwitz doesn’t speak for the entire classical music community.Neither do you.
>>123772087he does
mahler - klimtbartok - kleestravinsky - picasso
>>123771901
>>123772095neither do you
>>123772222Chiggidy checked
>>123772287He does
>>123771647My favorite solo piano work of all-time.
>>123771601I'll check it out, thanks.
>>123771212>>123771272https://vocaroo.com/1gydZmGx7r8h
https://youtu.be/H4QaMwpVXVM?si=l5mkcBggKncT3e3t
let's start the day with some Verdi overtures by the great Markevitchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW1kHIU6SlM&list=OLAK5uy_n7a-nAM6NPH679uzji3Ys40zGMeUeOnp4&index=1>>123773314neat
wtf i love rattle now?
https://youtu.be/_qi4hgT_d0o?si=SIvOJ8jt_NDRrCnd
https://youtu.be/6IZMWEtksII?si=U_lAos0zLfl6vLkA
https://youtu.be/s7HD-95knVQ?si=UNUQGPp5xlbJBj5O
>>123773314Sick
now playingstart of Glazunov's Symphony No. 5 in B-Flat Major, Op. 55https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsGyfpjY6o&list=OLAK5uy_mXeAUJxtmXmVqiGFK4MKTYiLz5l5X3-xs&index=2start of Symphony No. 7 in F Major, Op. 77, "Pastora'nayal"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEf4Z0v16MQ&list=OLAK5uy_mXeAUJxtmXmVqiGFK4MKTYiLz5l5X3-xs&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mXeAUJxtmXmVqiGFK4MKTYiLz5l5X3-xsGlazunov is so good.
When Friedrich Nietzsche came for a visit in 1869, Wagner got very angry because Nietzsche had sworn an oath not to eat meat, only vegetables. Cosima writes, “Richard considers this nonsense, and arrogance as well.” During the last years of his life, however, Wagner wrote at length about the benefits of vegetarianism, and suggested “Human dignity begins to assert itself only at a point where man is distinguishable from the beast by pity for it.” There is a suggestion that Wagner tried to force vegetarianism on his followers and supporters, and it has also been suggested that the concept made it into his opera Parsifal, with Gurnemanz remonstrating the young Parsifal for shooting a flying swan.
Vivaldi Autumnism https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf_qQrwWLls&pp=ygUWdml2YWxkaSBhdXR1bW4ga2FyYWphbg%3D%3D
>>123770854>>123771077>>123771097>>123771255>>123771282stop ban evading, pedophile kraut>>123773314why am i surprised that the pedophile kraut has no fucking idea what a fugue is, this is literally just shitty free counterpoint.
>Gilbert Kaplan, the eye-wateringly wealthy New York publishing entrepreneur who learned how to conduct to make it his mission to perform and record his beloved Mahler Second (and only Mahler Second) until the cows come home, has now recorded the work twice.Is this true? That's kinda badass.
>>123773929yeah, kaplan was a rich guy who became obsessed with mahler's second so he paid for private conducting lessons so he could learn to conduct it. he also funded mahler societies and published recordings of mahler's piano rolls on CD, so he's actually pretty decent as far as multimillionaires go.
>>123773314Not very good, sorry
>>123773951Very cool. How's his recording?
>>123774009nothing amazing, but what did you expect from some random guy who picked up conducting late in life and only knew how to conduct 1 piece?
>>123774048lol true, but perhaps something distinctive and interesting.
>>123773855The kraken awakes. Let’s see your fugue then
>>123774157that implies the pedophile kraut wrote a fugue, which he obviously didn't. he doesn't even have a subject.
>>123774186Well I’d love to hear one of your fugues
>>123774224you know, just this once i do feel like kicking a dog while he's already down. https://vocaroo.com/1dmHgSHuvvqRin hindsight, the counterpoint in this fugue could be a lot better (particularly with voice leading), but at least it is a fugue.
now playingGlazunov: Violin Concerto in A minor, Op. 82https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJnXettEdF8&list=OLAK5uy_nBjBE9e7Wjpi7wHEboDahFOo9uP6tB6MA&index=2start of Sibelius: Violin Concerto In D Minor, Op. 47https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft0wCdcy1ac&list=OLAK5uy_nBjBE9e7Wjpi7wHEboDahFOo9uP6tB6MA&index=3start of Sibelius: Suite For Violin And String Orchestra, Op. 117https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl8eIL1pb38&list=OLAK5uy_nBjBE9e7Wjpi7wHEboDahFOo9uP6tB6MA&index=6Glazunov: Grand Adagiohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGgaK6ROSx4&list=OLAK5uy_nBjBE9e7Wjpi7wHEboDahFOo9uP6tB6MA&index=8https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nBjBE9e7Wjpi7wHEboDahFOo9uP6tB6MAAmusing the look Ashkenazy is giving Yoo here in addition to their poses.>>123774309Very nice.
>>123774309Sounds like Shostakovich. Well done!
Singspiele >>>>>>>>> All other forms of operaI fucking hate recitative. Just speak normally and sing in an aria.
>>123774577this is extraordinarily insulting and further proof that my handling of dissonances in that piece was rather dilletanteish. i could have done a lot better.
>>123774577>>123774603lol
>>123774591Don't agree, but I like myself a good Singspiele. Any good composers of Singspiele besides the big ones?
https://youtu.be/BLLF9v3U2CE
>>123774309Nice your playing reminds me of Glen Gould
>>123771297Damn, not even a response
Favorite recording(s) of Haydn's The Seasons? I've got this Solti one, Bohm, Kubelik, and Colin Davis. Probably will listen to the Bohm recording today.
>>123774719that's because it was a MIDI rendition; honestly indistinguishable from gould.
>>123774591Through-composed opera >>>> everything elseI cannot believe that after Monteverdi showed exactly how an opera should be made, later composers still came up with shitty recitativo secco
>>123774791*Gould
>>123774892yes, gould.
I need the definitive recording of the e-major fugue bwv 878 please. It's the best thing ever.
>>123774992https://youtu.be/t00EtmJJ1mM?t=250
>>123774924Glenn Gould - Shostakovich, Quintet for Piano & Strings in G-minor: II Fuga. Adagio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k6a1S8FXOs&ab_channel=GlennGould
>>123775022terrible terrible stuff
>>123774992Glen Gould https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mia9woisQZo&ab_channel=cmtmusik
>>123775078autistic little malformed freak hunched over like the gremlin he is
>Kirchensonaten>Von 1772 bis 1780 komponierte Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart 17 einsätzige Kirchensonaten, die beim Salzburger Gottesdienst zwischen Gloria und Credo aufgeführt wurden. Trotz ihres Miniaturformats sind diese Gelegenheitswerke für Orgel und Orchester nicht zu unterschätzen: Der Reichtum der typisch Mozartischen Erfindung macht sie zu Juwelen der Literaturhttps://youtu.be/j4whfye8bUE?si=_ZQwHsKn6HEDO1Hw
Glenn Gould plays Bach Partita no 6 1974https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh5earDzM7c&ab_channel=Steenlarsen1968
>>123774881I think the Dialogue - Aria set up of Singspiele is fine too. I think sometimes it's just best to move the plot forward by being a play at the dialogue sections. No need to reinvent the wheel.
>>123775255>No need to reinvent the wheelThat's my point exactly. Monteverdi composed a perfect opera with Orfeo, setting ALL the text to music. Gluck kind of got it, but it took Wagner to really understand what it's all about.Don't get me wrong, I love Mozart's operas to bits, but I skip every recitative, all the time.
>>123775335>Don't get me wrong, I love Mozart's operas to bits, but I skip every recitative, all the time.which is why i like his singspiele, there are no recitatives to skip
>>123775372No, there's a whole lot of dialogue that nobody cares about or wants to hear
>>123775388the dialogue doesnt even last longer than a minute tf
>>123775335I save myself time and skip the whole opera instead
>>123775434Save more time and kill yourself
>>123775459That would be the opposite of saving time
>>123775471Your life is wasted time
>>123775498How rude
>>123775524You shouldn't be proud of not "getting" opera
>>123774992https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_T0TXqW91lghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwKhE7IFKNkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_KCn0zmF7M
>>123775434based
The Romantic, Classical, Renaissance (sacred music) and modern eras are all degenerate as they often attempt incorporating non-musical elements in music. Opera is a degenerate genre which could only be explained by the lack of taste found in Italy. The only relevant music ever composed for its musical value was chamber music without titles, most baroque and classical music without titles.The ultimate musical degeneracy is clearly Mahler's symphonies and Impressionism, they were manifestations of the ineluctable abasement and prostitution of music. Beethoven's fifth could be considered as one of the first examples of this, although against the composer's intention, but rather because of philistines associating extra-musical ideas to said symphony, such as "fate knocking on the door" or similar retarded shit. Attempts at incorporating anything non-musical in music outside of Overtures and Opera is degeneracy. Most of said degeneracy originated in Germany, due to retarded romantic ideals; Wagner and Liszt would thus be the supreme degenerates of classical music.Chopin always looked at composers nicknaming pieces and doing similar things in contempt; he was right: Chopin was the last composer to walk this earth, before German degeneracy wiped music away and replaced it with effeminate, extra-musical ramblings, sold to dumb masses as "Zukunftsmusik", which should have been named "Unschicklichmusik".
>>123776567do chopincels really
Stockhausen - Kurzwellenhttps://youtu.be/aXFd_yR7pck?si=9P7k1H4HJnG-VPpK
Here an attempt by Oliver Messiaen to write a piece in the style of Mozart.https://youtu.be/00p6Ia-7j4g?si=_O1y77B_pNnu9qiqIt was written in 1986 at 78 years old, 8 years before he died. I am not sure how much he listened to Mozart throughout his life or what he thought the music, but certainly he must have been well exposed to it as most classically trained musicians and composers are.
>>123776567Based fellow Chopincel>>123776625Yes
>>123777538how embarrassing
>>123774759Just finished listening to Bohm's and it's magnificent:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3LJWBcQOC0&list=OLAK5uy_lQ8eoL2xKBxlv_BE9ch_02Vt0U5-9Smr8&index=40
What's a good overture or similar type orchestral piece that would pair well with Bruckner's 8th symphony? Was thinking about this and there don't seem to be too many 'apocalyptic' singular orchestral pieces like that. Strauss' Death and Transfiguration, maybe?
>>123777830Perhaps:https://youtube.com/watch?v=e6DSZnFk3z0&si=MykWIFqWYZ3LP1RQand/orhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=KztWkMbmNV4&si=haTZRIy_gEt5vTjD
>>123777830there is nothing apocalyptic about bruckner's 8th, cease this retarded programmatization of absolute music.
>>123778031I always read Revelations when listening to it.
>>123778062i guess you've always been a moron then.
>>123778071O FUG THE WORLD'S ENDING AHHHH--
>>123778094only thing more retarded than the nickname is thielemann's conducting.
>>123778123Also is 'Apocalyptic' really entirely programmatic? Instead of literally depicting the end of the world, it could just be evoking emotions in that vein, kinda like Beethoven's Piano Concerto no. 5 'Emperor' or, similarly, his 3rd symphony.
>>123778123You don't know how to conduct. Shup up.
>>123777830Bruckner sucks
>>123778215Okay, but can you help me with the question?
>>123778180yes, it’s programmatic, and more importantly, the composer had no association with the nickname. >>123778204you wouldn’t know if i had 3 eyes or 5 legs. you don’t know me
So good
>>123778247>you don’t know meYeah I do.
>>123778439lol, you wish
>>123778335Can't go wrong with Schnabel's Beethoven. I should try more of his other stuff.
>>123778335schnabel and richter hold a similar place in beethoven for me, where the best representations of their interpretations are essentially faultless, even if they go against my own vision of what is right for the work. at their peak, they could do no wrong.
>>123777830Wagner's Faust Overturehttps://youtube.com/watch?v=IrxGCsL5-RM&si=kE8EaFr0lFQF0ItC
>>123778653he said “good overture”
>>123778680Yeah it's pretty boring and simplistic on its own, definitely one of Wagner's weaker ones, but as a lead-in I think it matches well with Bruckner 8, both sonically and emotionally.
Sistershitter can't sit through most of Wagner's operas, he can't sit through Der Ring. Of course you won't like an opera you haven't even listened to you tourist.LMFAO.
>>123778929i’ve seen the ring live in bayreuth. have you?
>>123778934>continues tranny spamWhat causes this?
>>123778934I'm sorry you had to go through that.
>>123778956a sense of humor>>123778967yeah, the production was fucking awful. orchestra was fine though.
>>123767528>just for fun, Bruckner:>3: SinopoliLovro von Matačićhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR46_qun0SQ
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSkZAdL3ooY
>>123778956He, just like Hurwitz, is upset by Wagner's Das Judenthum in der Musik. They feel threatened by Wagner. Because they're jews.
>>123779041so true wignat sister, so true
I feel threatened by Wagner because I don't like tranny music
>>123779071why would you feel threatened by a man in a dress?
now playingstart of Janáček: Sinfoniettahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aQscaXUm0A&list=OLAK5uy_mL56_hnCwM7t8yn7ThFnARH-dDolhqtXk&index=2start of Janáček: Taras Bulbahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vt0fCQAcPUA&list=OLAK5uy_mL56_hnCwM7t8yn7ThFnARH-dDolhqtXk&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mL56_hnCwM7t8yn7ThFnARH-dDolhqtXk
>>123779076it's unnatural
>>123779120sounds more like revulsion than threatened to me
>>123778523He was about as good in Schubert and Mozart. He still has my reference D.959
now playingstart of Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta, Sz. 106https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVwrz_Gh-Lw&list=OLAK5uy_nQivyonGTxEBpgIBmyKQVgpdZNQLuUSWI&index=1start of Hindemith's Symphony, "Mathis der Maler"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-FeexnWGw8&list=OLAK5uy_nQivyonGTxEBpgIBmyKQVgpdZNQLuUSWI&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nQivyonGTxEBpgIBmyKQVgpdZNQLuUSWI
>>123779231karajan may have been one of the worst hindemith conductors to ever live, and his bartok is not far behind either
>>123779250Oh. I was mainly trying to decide which recording of the Bartok work to listen to and when I saw it paired with the Hindemith, something I've been wanting to revisit for a while now anyway, I couldn't resist.
>>123779263listen to reiner.
>>123779268Yeah I do love his Bartok, switched to it. The real question is who do you suggest for Hindemith? Blomstedt's is the only other I've tried.
>>123779298i'm not a hindemith expert so i can't recommend anything, i just know that karajan's mathis is notoriously bad.
>>123779407ah lol, thanks anyway. Gonna try this one, with that other anon who's always praising Steinberg, plus with an album cover like this, how can I say no?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT9wVWCLcGo&list=OLAK5uy_kognfzaBBLiW8yosdUSMbysc5pm6XacQs&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kognfzaBBLiW8yosdUSMbysc5pm6XacQs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfqpgUXFRwc&list=PLfJSnjMLSGVHRo_APcM4Xf6qywbbVsT4i&index=8Beautiful performance.
>>123779298try kegelor abbado
>>123779424Damn, that sounds stellar to me. Just added their recordings of the late quartets, thanks.
What kind of name is Hand da meth?
>>123779463Thanks, grabbed those too. lol the Abbado one uses the same art as this: >>123779421, DG double-dipping. It's perfect for the music though.
>>123779424it's a fucking miracle of modern playing standards that a no name string quartet like this can turn out such a fine recording of the late quartets.
>>123779421I don't listen to Hindemith much, but this is pretty much the reference. It's another one of those quad recordings folded to stereo, so sonically it's a bit weird in places. The most recent release of Steinberg's recording of The Planets actually remixed the whole thing altogether so it could sound decent on stereo systems.
One of these is not like the others.
>>123779585YouTube keeps inserting that video into playlists for me too. Don't know why, it's very annoying.
>>123779585kek
>>123779585Yeah, I have noticed some user's playlist add random videos to boost views. If you want the clean playlist, click on any video, then check the bkx info to get the real album's playlist.
>>123779577Neat, thanks. Yeah it's sounding great to me so far, much more lively than Blomstedt's, definitely my new go-to for now.
>>123779594It's not YouTube, that's a playlist made by an user. The official playlist is this onehttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mp-LVd9f1GfLx6QarZWXJzn43w7bM-uUg
>>123779624It appears in playlists across many users. Always the same video. It's not the users doing it.
>>123779633No, check the user and his other playlists. All are albums and he always add that specific video. It's very likely to be a marketing campaign with bots to boost views.
now playingstart of Janacek's Glagolitic Masshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWjlsENPBcs&list=OLAK5uy_mgXSXJwvEtm6YfA0aGYhFbXQa4-fEYNqk&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mgXSXJwvEtm6YfA0aGYhFbXQa4-fEYNqk
>>123779709I've been rattled!
>>123779792I'm coming around on Rattle, or at least giving his recordings another chance.
>>123779709rattle sucks
>>123779803It's always good to reevaluate as you become more experienced in performances, but I think you may have been correct about Rattle your first time around.
>>123779803big mistake
"Beethoven's last quartets were written by a deaf man and should only be listened to by a deaf man.” - Sir Thomas Beecham
>>123779888beecham’s musical opinions were only surpassed in foulness by his conducting
>>123779851>>123779863Forgive the sacrilege, but I listened to his Mahler 9 with Berlin last night and it was honestly so good I feel compelled to give him another chance. Then again I listened to his Bournemouth 2nd this morning and it sucked, so maybe it's just the one occasion lol.
>>123779964If you like it, you like it.
>>123779964my condolences
>>123771513Mozart did not complete his work, which is why one cannot really compare him with Raphael. For there is still too much convention left in him.t. Wagner>>123772062Bach is clearly going to be an early Renaissance composer, and if anything, something more Gothic.
Next to Beethoven and Mozart, no composer has earned such universal praise as Bach, although that favourite old wag Sir Thomas Beecham once famously dismissed his music as, "Too much counterpoint. What is worse, Protestant counterpoint!"
>>123779041This is most likely.
>>123780030That's funny.>Beecham was not wholly in sympathy with the spirit of Beethoven, as he was not with Bach or Brahms either. The third movement of the seventh symphony he described as being `like a lot of yaks jumping about', an image that is hard to dispel from the mind.
>>123766230https://youtu.be/yyF7Sm_njzU?si=HHPO549w1CKqVsqC&t=54Just listen to this /classical/. Sound and Sight mastered just like Wagner intended. Gesamtkunstwerk indeed. Video Games are by far the greatest creation that culminated through the excesses in technology and time.
>>123780124not sure what this has to do with /classical/, maybe try >>>/v/ instead, wagnersister?
>>123780124Videogames are for manchildren
Just discovered Barber wrote choral music so checking it out, and this sounds exactly like Baroque Pop. It's not bad, it's just that there's something... philistine and off-putting about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Air_DIcsrzQ&list=OLAK5uy_m_aW9faNc0Kgjne-YuwvonWJ02WGBbZPk&index=1
>>123780164>there's something... philistine and off-putting about it.applies to everything barber wrote.
>>123780189lolQuintessentially American, I suppose.
>>123774881Based Monteverdian-Wagnerite.
For some reason I'm finding myself wanting to peruse through Maazel's discography of recordings. Any indispensable or personal favorite or recommended ones?
>>123777986What's even the source for these Bruckner cover drawings?
>>123780609nothing maazel ever recorded is indispensable.
>>123780624I tried googling a bit but couldn't find the answer; hopefully someone else knows and can tell you.
>>123780637I can believe that.
suicidal recs?
>>123780869To cure you or soundtrack for your ideation? If the latter, great art is life-affirming, so there is none.
>>123780869https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpMdr9nBJc0
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYG4Ga2yFQU
>>123781075I like Paray.
It's natural to be unsatisfied with the Symphonie Fantastique. It's a very uneven work.
>>123781120Thanks.>>123781337Yeah, that could be it. Which is disappointing as I quite like it, I just feel like I ought to like it more, and of course I'm gonna default to blaming the messenger over the work itself, but you're probably right.
>>123781337berlioz was an uneven composer
now playingstart of Symphony No. 10 in F-Sharp Minor (Performing version by D. Cooke & B. Goldschmidt)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIggQS0zhJA&list=OLAK5uy_n0a35JBKgyeM3nVmniTIr7t99VJ8-5iQA&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n0a35JBKgyeM3nVmniTIr7t99VJ8-5iQA
If I were a composer today with some talent trying to make a name for myself, I would do something like create a counterfeit Brahms 5th symphony which will make it explode in popularity, hype, and most importantly, amount of performances, and when I reveal the truth, I'll still keep all of that viral fame. I wonder if I'd be able to keep the money too...
>>123781914delusions of grandeur
>>123780792Maybe they're just contemporaneous sketches of architecture, but in that case, what architecture? Doesn't look like any music-related building I know. At frst I thought they were Rembrandt sketches, but I think it's much later than that.
>>123780869Tristan und Isolde.>>123780903Life-affirmation isn't contradicted by suicide, in the same way that life-negation isn't contradicted by a persistence to survive. Retard-kun.
>>123780903death-fearing, life-fetishizing cope. work on your terror management
Why would you ever listen to Mahler, A second-rate wannabe Wagner?
>>123766230I know this almost certainly isn't the place for it, but I'm out of options, none of the music recognition websites yield any results. Any of you fellas can possibly recognize the track playing here? It's sampled from a game, so there's some background sounds, but the piano tune is clearly discernable:>https://files.catbox.moe/48ycv2.mp3It's been stuck in my head for many months, I'd be forever grateful and never shittalk /mu/ again, if you helped me and cured this brain parasite of mine.>Can't you just ask the author/isn't it listed somewhere?No.
>>123784462I don't recognize it, but if this is stuck in your head, then you just haven't listened to enough music in your life. And that is usually looked upon with disdain here.
>>123780609
"Since about 1750, famous composers have found it very hard to comprehend other famous composers. The only exceptions, off hand, that I can think of to this rule are three: Haydn's friendship with Mozart, Saint-Saëns's friendship with Fauré, and Brahms' friendship with Dvorak. Otherwise, the history of Western music is to a large extent a history of compositional giants bucketing each other.Examples: Berlioz dismissed Händel as 'a great barrel of pork and beer.'""Mendelssohn described Berlioz's music as 'such a frightful muddle; such an incongruous mess that one feels like washing one's hands.' Tchaikovsky referred to Brahms as 'a talentless shit'. Brahms called Bruckner 'a poor deranged man' and a 'swindle that will be forgotten a year or two after my death'. '
>>123784605There's plenty composers since 1750 who were friendly with one another
>>123784656Examples
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