Mozart Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTzkbqMqGxkThis thread is for the discussion of classical music.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFh (embed)Previous:>>124578349
mozart more like mofart
>>124591605lol
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuYRmNhiN0s
>>124591525Why does this performance sound so odd? It sounds good, but man I've never heard it like that before. It's like every element is being emphasised.
>>124591605>not moshart
>>124591828Thats the work of engineer Teije Van Geest, he has a very particular sound that is pretty interesting. It sounds kinda like if the piano was recorded as if it was a solo-recording with the orchestra placed behind it. Almost like you're hearing it from the perspective of the performer.
>>124591819meh
>>124591188Leibowitz didn't record enough to be considered a great conductor but what he did is usually pretty good. His Schubert 9 is one of my favorites.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvLYEaNDOc4
>>124592018yeah, he's not incompetent by any stretch of the imagination, but i have a hard time believing that he's anyone's measure of a truly great conductor. he just wasn't prolific enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKxdCSbAtOE
Now on Disc 2. Nice work.
>>124592347he looks like an old chud
Black people invented metal
>>124592467this has 0% to do with this thread's topic
>Why are conductors put on a pedestal? Mozart is the real genius, not any of those fags on your list.
I'm having a baroque overdose. Any music rec to clean my palate?
Now some Concerto Köln live recordings. Rosetti is quite nice. Such an easy music on the ears.
>>124593129https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00teRnCwZs
Be honest, /classical/How many hours of classical music do you listen per day?Being 4chan, I guess there is no curve, either you listen for 6+ hours, or you larp here without a single piece under your belt.
>>1245934904 hours i guess, i put the classical station on and so
>>124593548>classical stationBBC 3
>>124593548>4 hours i guessSame here. Four hours on working time and another hour when going to bed.
>What concern have we with the irritating brutality of the overture to the “Tannhauser”? Or with the Walkyrie Circus? Whatever has become popular in Wagner's art, including that which has become so outside the theatre, is in bad taste and spoils taste. The “Tannhauser” March seems to me to savour of the Philistine; the overture to the “Flying Dutchman” is much ado about nothing; the prelude to “Lohengrin” was the first, only too insidious, only too successful example of how one can hypnotize with music (—I dislike all music which aspires to nothing higher than to convince the nerves).
thoughts
>>124593900>winblows>files on desktop>using shortcuts>discord>tranime>netflix>laptop>fahrenheit>soulless porn wallpaperinto the trash it goes
>>124593900I think you're a butthurt faggot cuck who needs to get laid
>>124593900certified discord tranny moment
>>124592708i used not to hold that opinion but now that a wojakfaggot disagrees with it I have it
>>1245934908-10 hours. That includes having it on in the background while doing other things though, like casual reading and browsing on my phone.
>>124590947This sounds like it was played on chromium instruments in a titanium venue using platinum microphones. I love it.
>>124594208All on streaming?
Mono but I think this is probably Richter's best performance of the Brahms 2nd piano concerto. He was absolutely on fire in this concert, just insanehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26ivLHGPTqM&list=OLAK5uy_kOFtb9JoLTKug7Wv327Ek5gmJh5Oe33Sg&index=8Makes his Leinsdorf recording in Chicago seem rather tepid by comparison
Now the voice of Giuseppina Bridelli
>>124594457I have a few sets and recordings that aren't on streaming but otherwise yeah.
>>124594008>who needs to get laidalready did that today
>>124594855your hand doesn’t count
Stéphanie d'Oustrac as Armide
>>124594900correct, but my bf's hand does :3
>>124595341thanks sister
>>124592708This but unironically
Slow thread today, is the internet blocked again in Bangladesh or Myanmar?
>>124591525https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3f3aWcUi9IIt's like that one 70s/80s boomer piano album except because it's Liszt and very old I listen to it while still feeling self-important.
>>124594561It's funny to me that Richter could well be the best Pianist for my taste ever, yet all his best performances are cursed to have poor audio quality.
>>124596384>while still feeling self-importantThats the reason we are here
>>124596420We cant have everything, can we?
Five hours of Klára Würtz playing Mozart. I'm going to split the listening over the next days.
>>124596420Audio quality is overrated these days
>>124596420I wouldn't say what I linked has poor audio quality, it's somewhat dynamically compressed and is in mono, but the piano and orchestra are clear enough.
>>124596353It's Thanksgiving. If you wanna talk about something, bring it up :)
>>124596609Thats because its easier to make a technical judgement about audio than a critic about the piece or performance itself. People go the easy route in order to look smart.
>>124596709Oh that makes sense.
>>124596719>>124596609Or some people just get used to a certain standard and level of audio quality. While I think that particular shared Richter recording is fine, and a lot of others are, I get where the other anon is coming from.
>>124596353>>124596733That's a funny line though lol
>>124596709All the channers that pose as Nietzsche pupils are with mom now. Good for them.
>>124596892I can do that if you want: it's all interpretation, Napoleon, life without music would be a mistake, Julius Caesar with the heart of Christ, let's get Dionysian, Wagner good, Wagner bad, now let's take some morphine sulfate.
>>124593900Blessed.
The bait is pointless today anon, nobody is here. Go back to your anime and videogames.
>>124597076I see you are an educated anon, you did leave out all the bad taste comments regarding w.
>>124597117Sorry, there's just more than one Wang admirer here. And this is /wang/eneral.
>>124591308>rhetorical question Meltdown of the common era>falseUntrue, you asked for an analysis>you haven't shown me how you prove a specific harmonyAs I pointed out, you did not ask that, should've been more articulate, swarthy.>correlation is not causation.In this case it is.>whether the perfect fourth should be considered a dissonance and there is no clear consensus.The fact is that it is LESS consonant than the perfect fifth, consonance is relative and some theorists are retarded for not being able to understand that. Goetschius understands, and calls it "disagreeable" which just implies LESS consonant.>oh, so it's tamil?I've never heard of that language, sorry pajeet, no one cares about your culture.>of the paper you sent me,The paper says that harmony involves more than pitch relationships and frequency interactions. I'm not going to spoonfeed you.>if voice leading is itself harmony, why would it need to create harmonySame way chord "create" harmony.>it's just 2 scale degrees next to each other.And their relationship is called "harmony".>feel free to go ahead and perform any piece of music with all the major chordsCompletely unrelated.>not according to wikipediaThere is mucg nonsense garbage on wikipedia.>we're discussing music centered around the classical canon,No such thing as classical canon. I do not acknowledge it. We are discussing european/western classical music, that's all.>that's quite enough about you.But enough about yourself.>no, still not comprehensible>LOL wtfMeltdown.
>>124596668I'm fine with mono for solo pieces or small ensembles, but it never sounds right to me for anything orchestral.
Do you guys prefer to keep the score in front of you and read along as you listen, or do you prefer shutting off any sight? I tend to blindfold myself when listening to works of later periods, while reading the score more when listening to Baroque works.
>>124598759Now that would be a commendable level of autism to achieve.
>>124599180Is it truly autism? I like to appreciate the music, I don't believe any true appreciation is gained if you listen in the background. At that point just listen to classical compilations on youtube.
A very unusual aria by Bachhttps://youtu.be/aAPnsgBw96k?si=h9wJA6XMwOFcQALB
>>124599404Human voice sucks.
>>124599431Okay, so you dont like classical. Go to >>>/mu/
>>124599489I like orchestral classical music.
>>124599431Holy pleb
>>124599548So you don't like classical music, go to >>>/mu/
Metronomic performances sound so unbelievably boring and shit. I don't know why HIPster sisters defend it so much
>>124599489>>124599614that's opera. you don't even know what classical is.
>>124599662Almost every notable compositionn has its roots in Opera, again, you don't like classical music, go to >>>/mu/
>>124599404https://youtu.be/fSsWcerPGnM?t=14sounds like mendelssohn, doesn't it?
>>124597166>smooch>kiss>lickevery part of you is beautiful, queen...
>>124599741Opera is a degenerate genre which could only be explained by the lack of taste found in Italy. The only relevant music ever composed for its musical value was chamber music without titles, most baroque and classical music without titles.
The Romantic, Classical, Renaissance (sacred music) and modern eras are all degenerate as they often attempt incorporating non-musical elements in music.
The ultimate musical degeneracy is clearly Mahler's symphonies and Impressionism, they were manifestations of the ineluctable abasement and prostitution of music. Beethoven's fifth could be considered as one of the first examples of this, although against the composer's intention, but rather because of philistines associating extra-musical ideas to said symphony, such as "fate knocking on the door" or similar retarded shit. Attempts at incorporating anything non-musical in music outside of Overtures and Opera is degeneracy. Most of said degeneracy originated in Germany, due to retarded romantic ideals; Wagner and Liszt would thus be the supreme degenerates of classical music.
>>124599988So you don't like classical music, go to >>>/mu/
>>124600028But Wagner wrote operas...
>>124600001>>124600028Damn dude thats crazy, but who asked?
>>124600071>I shall never write an Opera more. As I have no wish to invent an arbitrary title for my works, I will call them Dramas ...>I propose to produce my myth in three complete dramas, preceded by a lengthy Prelude (Vorspiel)....>At a specially-appointed Festival, I propose, some future time, to produce those three Dramas with their Prelude, in the course of three days and a fore-evening [emphasis in original].
>>124600096who asked you to gatekeep?
now playingstart of Brahms: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 77https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOnxyxTO4dE&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=2start of Berg: Violin Concerto, "To the Memory of an Angel"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WJoNxQfkBQ&list=OLAK5uy_luMTt8VTPQlY6HmTMUCP0O59LHGByLd-I&index=4>Renaud Capucon , the leading French violinist of his generation, joins the British conductor Daniel Harding and the Wiener Philharmoniker for two landmark concertos of the Austro-German repertoire. The expansive Brahms concerto,first performed in 1878 by Joseph Joachim, is a peak of the composer s glowingly warm Romanticism, while the Berg concerto written in 1935, the last year of Berg s life, and dedicated to the memory of Manon Gropius, who had died aged just 19 poignantly blends the atonality of the Second Viennese School with subtle lyricism and, in its second movement, a haunting Bach chorale.>In an interview in October 2011, Renaud Capucon expressed his excitement of recording with the Wiener Philharmoniker, stating that it would be, a dream come true! This release is the fruit of those recording sessions, delivering incredible artistic interpretations of these two timeless Violin concertos.
>>124599590>>124599614kysHuman voice sucks. Go to >>>/mu/ you don't like orchestral music
>>124600164>Hates the most important possible instrumentAs said, you don't like classical music. You're the only one who needs to kys. You hate humanity and want to be replaced by mechanical contraptions.
>>124600164If you killed everyone who hated the human voice, what sector of music would suffer?
>>124600164you hate the core of classical music, you are the one who should go to /mu/.
This might be the worst general on /mu/
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFUG6xkHIic
>>124600181>>124600212Human voice sucks. Go to >>>/mu/ you don't like orchestral music>>124600195Music would improve, all retarded popfags would be gone. All that would be left are classicalchads and maybe some ambientfags.
>>124600195>>124600315>everyone who hated the human voiceI misread this as "who loved the human voice". Killing them off would be great indeed.
>>124600238First day?
>human voice faggots constantly keep calling pieces "songs">they want to be considered humansLiteral sub-humans. Fuck off and listen to your ""songs"" >>>/mu
>>124600419Nobody calls them songs, schizosister. People who only listen to orchestras are the type to do that because they're low IQ non human retards
omfg its this argument again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does anybody know if there are recording of Mozart/Beethoven concerto's with Schnittke cadenza's?
>>124600491You are literal sub-human, you don't know a thing about music, let alone quality.
>>124600740>composed cadenzasGross, listen to recordings that improvise them
>>124600767The non human says, while rejecting the instrument that lead to our music in the first place that every instrument tries to replicate
>>124600767you don't listen to any classical thats worthwhile and only listen to literal normie pieces composed for the lowest common denominator (orchestra enjoyers), the only dubhuman is you LOL
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRkSKDdM4EM
>>124600769Any recommends?
>>124600799>that lead to our music in the first placeSource: your ass.>>124600812Orchestra is one of the greatest inventions of the western civilization, you do not belong here. >>>/mu/
>Yuja's aria
Wagner ,Wang, Hitler.
Hurwitz takes out the Wagnerian trash:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TE9fo-UKc4
mozart piano concerto no. 20 cadenza by beethoven
>>124600919>mechanical contraptions>achievement
>>124600919Reminder all orchestral pieces were second thoughts that at best were written to open vocal compositions. Composers were known for their operas, nobody cared about anything else. Not liking vocals makes you non human
>>124601262:O
reminder that not like vocals makes you not not human but rather anti human
>>124600769and we should care about your opinion because?...
>>124600028>uses the word degeneracystopped reading immediately
Starting the day with Mozart on BBC Radio 3
>>124601043delet this
>>124601845have you ever considered that you are more likely to rely on the services of a government funded broadcast if you tune into its broadcast?
>>124602009I maintain a Plex/Jelly server with a curated collection of albums. I just tune in BBC Radio once a week to vary my listenings. If it were to disappear tomorrow I will just change to another classical radio station for the same purpose.
>>124602065what makes you think a successful platform of propaganda is going to disappear? also, you never answered my question.
>>124602149>you never answered my question.You can read between the lines. But if you cant: My answer is no.
>>124602340the program isn't going anywhere and as such your hypothetical has zero impact on whether or not you would change to a different radio station. if anything it just means you'll continue to listen to its broadcast. so much for reading between the lines, fuckwit. it was a basic question. i dont know why you have to be such a faggot about it.>I maintain a Plex/Jelly server with a curated collection of albums.defensive>I just tune in BBC Radio once a week to vary my listenings.deflective>If it were to disappear tomorrow I will just change to another classical radio station for the same purpose.irrelevant
>>124602340>>124602065don't bother with the schizo
Listening to Puccini. I have never been a fan of opera but lets try it.
>>124602539Me neither. I also try from time to time to get into it, which has yet to succeed. Sad because I love choral music but there's a big enough difference I suppose. Hopefully your attempt does.
>>124601124Absolute retard.>>124601262In shitaly maybe. Human voice sucks cock.
>>124599387You were serious? I mean yeah, I gotta admit you're getting the full extent of enjoying the work, you're a better man than me.
>>124602556>Sad because I love choral music but there's a big enough difference I suppose.Same here. My love for early music is heavily inspired by vocal works, but opera is simply another beast.
>>124602453Why do you seem to have such a hostile attitude? Are you sexually frustrated? Who hurt you anon?
Yuja general
>>124602652White Wang
>>124598055>Meltdown of the common eraall because you were too fucking indian to pick up on a rhetorical question LMFAO, a true modern tragedy>Untrue, you asked for an analysiswrong, i asked for your analysis. still waiting btw.>As I pointed out, you did not ask thatas with the above case, i did; you're just too illiterate to read questions properly the first time around. >consonance is relativefalse, consonance is literally about as objective as it gets. either an interval is consonant or it isn't; the issue with the perfect 4th is debate over whether it should be heard as an inverted perfect 5th or as a dissonance that should be resolved down to a 3rd. >which just implies LESS consonant.not true, by the way>I've never heard of that languagewell now you know what it's called in english, saaaaar. feel free to tell us all about how wikipedia tamil is like next time LOL>The paper says that harmony involves more than pitch relationships and frequency interactions.in which paragraph? >I'm not going to spoonfeed you.LOL, tacit admission that you didn't even read your own paper much?>Same way chord "create" harmony.chords don't create harmony, chords are a direct result of harmony. >And their relationship is called "harmony".one singular note moving to another singular note is not harmony; it's not being harmonized with anything. >Completely unrelated.very much related, moreso than major and minor chords. >There is mucg nonsense garbageLOL, speaking of nonsense garbage. >I do not acknowledge it. that's your problem; everyone else does. feel free not to acknowledge the ocean and the sky while you're at it. >Meltdown.please, cease jabbering about yourself. >>124600740there is shockingly little information about cadenzas and which recordings use which ones online; you'd think concerto obsessives would catalog that sort of stuff.
>>124602638>are you sexually frustrated?do you really have to ask?
>>124602638it's been a very long time since he's last taken his antipsychotics, please be nice.
after avoiding it for so long, turns out this recording is actually very good, definitely flips Vanska onto my 'worth trying' list of conductors when I see their name on a release, and gonna have to explore the rest of his Mahler. highly recommended for anyone looking for a new, modern 7th to try, that's a little on the atmospheric side of interpretation of this work, done very wellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNvBeB1ULxY&list=OLAK5uy_m6_q7_4kidVtTl3xqSf_m-JjFk_nb9qKc&index=1
>>124602716>rhetorical questionMeltdown bigger than a galaxy>wrongIncorrect, you asked for an analysis.>false, consonance is literally about as objective as it gets.Incorrect. The overtones alone contribute to dissonance. True consonance is only possible with pure tones, even then, only with an octave. When two notes forming a perfect fourth are played, their waveforms produce 'interharmonic modulations' due to the harmonics interacting. These interactions are relatively smooth compared to more dissonant intervals like the minor second or tritone but less smooth than the perfect fifth (3:2 ratio) or octave (2:1 ratio). So consonance is purely relative. >not true, by the wayAbso-lutely true, by the way.>in which paragraph?About every one of them.>LOL, tacit admission that you didn't even read your own paper much?1. It's not my own.2. From this comment it can be objectively concluded that you did not read the paper.>chords don't create harmony, chords are a direct result of harmony.This is beyond retarded.>one singular note moving to another singular note is not harmony; it's not being harmonized with anything.It is 'harmonized' in time, as in horizontally.>very much related, Maybe, if you are retarded.>LOL, speaking of nonsense garbage.Yeah, your own post. kek>that's your problem; everyone else does. feel free not to acknowledge the ocean and the sky while you're at it.No. Oceans not beliefs or ideas, they are observable objects. "Western canon" is an attempt to monopolize art. You can head over to >>>/pol/ >please, cease jabbering about yourself.Meltdown.
Now, some >Early Coral WorksBy Bruckner
>>124603614*Choral
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=330eAFNZj_wClassical Music that reminds you of little girls?
Weber's best work:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XPO9rxr_As
Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtA9qL60Y38
>>124601043What the fuck
what does the reviewer and the conductor have in common?
>>124603013we've already had 30 years of soft, micromanaged, affected mahler conducting that we excuse under the guise of being "transparent" or "atmospheric", do we seriously need yet another recording from a third rate orchestra of this stuff? >>124603023>Meltdown bigger than a galaxyall because you were too fucking indian to pick up on a rhetorical question LMFAO, a true modern tragedy>Incorrect, you asked for an analysis.wrong, i asked for your analysis. still waiting btw.>The overtones alone contribute to dissonancewhat the fuck are you talking about? overtones have absolutely fucking nothing to do with dissonance. you realize that different instruments have different proportions of overtones and, by your logic, sine waves should not have any dissonance whatsoever given their lack of overtones right? >When two notes forming a perfect fourth are played, their waveforms produce 'interharmonic modulations' due to the harmonics interacting. this has absolutely nothing to do with the pedagogical definition of consonance or dissonance. >So consonance is purely relative.this literally contradicts the bullshit you were claiming beforehand, because overtones themselves are fixed; it's their proportions that differ depending on instrument. theorists being unable to decide on the voice leading function of a perfect fourth does not magically mean that all intervals are suddenly relativistic now. >Abso-lutely true, by the way.not really, you just want it to be.>About every one of them.then i'm sure you can easily quote just one for me. >It's not my own.you posted it, so it's a part of your argument now. >From this comment it can be objectively concluded that you did not read the paper.i did and i found no such claim in it. the burden of proof is on you. (1/2)
>>124603023>>124604736>This is beyond retarded.it's how literally every piece of classical music pre-20th century was conceived. composers did not have any system of chordal analysis like modern roman numeral analysis, they were taught to focus on voice leading and intervallic relationships through figured bass and species counterpoint. you have an unsurprisingly poor understanding of pre-20th century pedagogy. >It is 'harmonized' in timewith what? it's two fucking notes. >Maybe, if you are retarded.but enough about you. >Yeah, your own post. keksaid the indian who isn't even able to spell "much" LOL>Oceans not beliefs or ideasyes yes good saaar oceans not beliefs saaaaaaaaaar>"Western canon" is an attempt to monopolize art. not really, it's just an objective fact of how the classical world views and understands its own history. if you don't like it, stick to a different genre without a history to canonize LOL>Meltdown.it's about time you ceased insisting upon yourself. (2/2)
>>124604724bald, old and fat
>>124604826and also gay! imagine that!
>>124604865Fallout 1 talking head looking nigga
>>124604865cry about it
>>124605011about hurwitz being gay? but why?
>>124604736>all because you were too fucking indianFalse premise.>wrongFalse, you asked for an analysis. This is easily verifiable btw.>overtones have absolutely fucking nothing to do with dissonanceIgnorance.>you realize that different instruments have different proportions of overtonesTrue, most instruments have major overtones, with different proportions, that's why timbres differ. Bells have minor overtones though. Nonetheless, overtones create dissonance.>sine waves should not have any dissonance whatsoeverPure sine waves yes, those produce pure tones.>this has absolutely nothing to do with the pedagogical definition of consonance or dissonance.I don't give a fuck about your pedophilegogs.>this literally contradicts the bullshit you were claiming beforehand, because overtones themselves are fixed;Overtones are fixed for an instrument, how does that contradict the fact that some intervals produce smooth soundwaves (such as a fifth) and some are more jarring in comparison (fourth, second) - not to mention majoe second is even less consonant than fourth, and minor second is even LESS consonant.>not really,Yes really.>then i'm sure you can easily quote just oneSpoonfeeding times are over.>you posted itYes, it's not my own publication however, articulatelet.>i did and i found no such claim in it.Sounds like a (You) problem.>>124604746Harmony, in a realistic, biological, physical, and mathematical sense, is created by tones. I don't care how you twist around your pedophilegogy terminologies to suit your argument.>with what? it's two fucking notes.Each other.>it's just an objective fact of how the classical world views and understands its own history. History is a different matter entirely. "Canon" is nonsense.>but enough about you.>said the indian who isn't even able to spell "much" LOL>yes yes good saaar oceans not beliefs>it's about time you ceased insisting upon yourselfConcessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation.
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exlZnLWEyI
>>124605188>False premise.it's true, all of it. >False, you asked for an analysis. wrong, i asked for your analysis. still waiting btw.>Ignorance.but enough about you. >Nonetheless, overtones create dissonance.overtones can create their own dissonances as do all tones, but overtones themselves are not the source of dissonance. >Pure sine waves yes, those produce pure tones.literally and fundamentally incorrect by every stretch of the imagination LOL>how does that contradict the fact that some intervals produce smooth soundwaves (such as a fifth) and some are more jarring in comparison (fourth, second)"some intervals are more consonant than others" is in no way synonymous with "consonance is relative". it's almost like we have perfect and imperfect consonances for a reason. >Yes really.said the indian who wasn't able to pick up on a rhetorical question LOL>Spoonfeeding times are over.thanks for admitting you can't even quote the paper you cited in your own argument LOL>Sounds like a (You) problem.sounds like your argument is as hollow as your head LMFAO>Harmony, in a realistic, biological, physical, and mathematical sense, is created by tones.trying too hard to look smarter than you actually are. chords and harmony in the common practice era were created through voice leading, not vice versa. that's why we classify inversions of chords as different chords, unlike popular music where harmony is derived from chords and as such the spelling of the chord does not matter. >Each other.how is a leading tone resolving to a tonic harmonizing with the tonic? where is the harmony? >History is a different matter entirely. "Canon" is nonsense.same thing, and very much real according to wikipedia.>Concessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation.yes, i've been reading your posts, no need to recap them for me.
>>124605307>it's true, all of it.Evidently not, sister.>wrongFalse, you asked for an analysis. This is easily verifiable btw.>overtones can create their own dissonances as do all tones, but overtones themselves are not the source of dissonanceWhat the fuck is this supposed to mean? Overtones can and do create dissonances that is a fact. 'Source' of dissonances are some of the overtones.>literally and fundamentally incorrect by every stretch of the imagination LOLSo you have no idea what pure tones are, got it.>"some intervals are more consonant than others" is in no way synonymous with "consonance is relative".Consonance is a spectrum, and yes it is relative. When we say imperfect consonances, there are still subcategories within, where some intervals are more consonant than others. Conclusion is that consonance is relative, it is a spectrum.>thanks for admitting you can't even quote the paperSpoonfeeding time is over, we are at the end of november.>chords and harmony in the common practice era were created through voice leadingAnd my grandpa was a physicist. So?Again, I don't care how people wrote music, it is totally besides the point. Harmony, as it is understood today, is the percieved sound obtained by relationship between pitches. That is all.>how is a leading tone resolving to a tonic harmonizing with the tonic? where is the harmony?It states the key, creates tension and resolves, it creates a horizontal harmony. >same thing, and very much real according to wikipedia.1. Wikipedia is not a source2. Two different things entirely.>but enough about you.>said the indian who wasn't able to pick up on a rhetorical question LOL>sounds like your argument is as hollow as your head LMFAO>trying too hard to look smarter than you actually are. >yes, i've been reading your posts, no need to recap them for me.Concessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation above.
>>124605701>Evidently not, sister.nah, it's true, all of it.>False, you asked for an analysis. wrong, i asked for your analysis. still waiting btw.>Overtones can and do create dissonances that is a fact.you're just repeating the exact same thing i just said LOL>'Source' of dissonances are some of the overtones.wrong, the intervals themselves are what's dissonance. overtones are not some sort of magical ephemeral entity with the ability to create consonance or dissonance, they're just partials of the harmonic series with their own dissonances relative to other overtones. >So you have no idea what pure tones are, got it.does your retarded ass seriously think that two sine waves a tritone apart magically stop being dissonant because they don't have overtones? >Consonance is a spectrumyou're definitely on the spectrum alright. >When we say imperfect consonances, there are still subcategories withinnot really, there are really only 2 kinds of imperfect consonances: major and minor thirds. sixths are just inversions of thirds. as far as classical harmony goes, minor thirds are not seen as any more or less dissonant than major thirds. >Conclusion is that consonance is relativemultiple kinds of consonances existing does not mean that there is a fairy tale land where tritones stop being dissonant, retard. >Spoonfeeding time is over, we are at the end of november.yeah, we're at the end of the month were you get buttfucked by me over and over every single day LOL>And my grandpa was a physicist.what did he study, the physics of shitting in the street? >Again, I don't care how people wrote music, it is totally besides the point.it is very much on topic when we're discussing music written by common practice composers. you don't get to decide what's on topic when you're not minding your own business. (1/2)
>>124605701>>124605855>Harmony is the percieved sound obtained by relationship between pitches. this is why musicians are forced to sit through 2+ years of tonal harmony courses before they're allowed to graduate, to prevent illiterate retards from coming up with ill-conceived bullshit like this. not that it matters since you aren't a musician LOL>It states the keynot harmony in and of itself, and this is assuming we know that one note is a leading tone and the other is the tonic. if we just have a note moving up a minor second, there is zero context whatsoever on what sort of voice leading motion is occurring. >creates tension and resolvescreates tension with what and resolves what? >Wikipedia is not a sourcesure didn't stop you from citing it earlier LOL>Two different things entirely.not according to wikipedia LOL>Concessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation above.yes, i've been reading your posts, no need to recap them for me. (2/2)
Refreshing my memory of picrel. I'm going to attend a recital tonight.
Mendelssohnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMm9EwrA0hY
>>124593900Install Linux
>I must give you a piece of intelligence that you perhaps already know — namely, that the ungodly arch-villain Voltaire has died miserably like a dog — just like a brute. That is his reward!
>>124607306this will be me when the sisterposter dies
>>124608083same
>All I insist on, and nothing else, is that you should show the whole world that you are not afraid. Be silent, if you choose; but when it is necessary, speak—and speak in such a way that people will remember it.
>>124608083thank you seething sister
>>124608083He never sleeps, he says. He says he will never die.
>>124600238that would be /beep/ just for the fact thats its one schizo that keeps that gen alive
>>124606860>I'm going to attend a recital tonight.Nice, how was it?
>>124611060Quite an experience. It was a very modest performance in a forgotten city, on a poor country, made with little money. But I was fascinated the whole time. The pianist was very charming in her performance and the singer was a pleasant surprise: a short, little man with no stage presence when silent but a beautiful, robust yet soft voice. The lyrics were translated on an adjacent screen, and some of the poems are funny, most of them pretty sad and pathetic in a good way. The melodies have some fragments for three or four seconds that feel very modern, almost like jazz or ragtime, didnt catch that on my digital listening. In short: I want more of that live experience. Coincidentally, today was the first cold day of the season, very fitting for the winter journey.
Now listening to the sacred works of J. F. Agricola.
>Mozart and Haydn, the creators of modern instrumental music, first showed us the art in its full glory; but the one who regarded it with total devotion and penetrated to its innermost nature is Beethoven. The instrumental compositions of all three masters breathe the same romantic spirit for the very reason that they all intimately grasp the essential nature of the art; yet the character of their compositions is markedly different. . . .>Haydn romantically apprehends the humanity in human life; he is more congenial, more comprehensible to the majority.>Mozart takes more as his province the superhuman, magical quality residing in the inner self.>Beethoven’s music sets in motion the machinery of awe, of fear, of terror, of pain, and awakens that infinite yearning which is the essence of romanticism. He is therefore a purely romantic composer. Might this not explain why his vocal music is less successful, since it does not permit a mood of vague yearning but can only depict from the realm of the infinite those feelings capable of being described in words?
>>124605855>nah, it's true,Evidently not, sister.>wrongFalse, you asked for an analysis. This is easily verifiable btw.>you're just repeating the exact same thing i just said LOLNo shit.>wrong, the intervals themselves are what's dissonance.It is implied that the tone itself and its overtone is what creates the dissonance. Stop bullshitting.>does your retarded ass seriously think that two sine waves a tritone apart magically stop being dissonant because they don't have overtones?Of course not. I NEVER said this, nor did I say anything that could somehow imply this. You are a massive retard.>you're definitely on the spectrum alright.Only autists post here.>not really, there are really only 2 kinds of imperfect consonances: major and minor thirds. sixths are just inversions of thirds. as far as classical harmony goes, minor thirds are not seen as any more or less dissonant than major thirds.Incorrect. Sixths are more stable than thirds, even if they are inversions. And major is more stable than minor. So as I said, consonances of all 4 of these intervals are relative to each other, they are not equal mathematically. And even pedagogically, Goetschius lists intervals by their importance, and submediant comes first, then mediant. So ear can detected that as well. Consonance is purely relative.>multiple kinds of consonances existing does not mean that there is a fairy tale land where tritones stop being dissonantAgain, I never said anything that could imply that tritones are not dissonant.>yeah, we're at the end of the monthDon't get me wrong, I'm not going to stop completely, whenever you get uppity I'll go on my buckbreaking duty.>what did he study, the physicsHe did study the physics, that's what a phyisicist means, jeetologist.>it is very much on topic when we're discussing music written by common practice composersNot to this very point, no. Mind your own business.(1/2)
>>124611950>>124605855may I join this discussion about dissonance?
>>124605870>not harmony in and of itselfLOL of course it is. The harmony IS key. >if we just have a note moving up a minor second, there is zero context whatsoeverTrue. In the context of two notes, it is similar to V of the Cmaj and tonic of Gmaj being the same, more context is needed.>creates tension with what and resolves what?...the tonic.>sure didn't stop you from citing it earlier I cited the source cited IN Wikipedia, which can be perfectly valid.>not according to wikipediaNot a source.>this is why musicians are forced to sit through 2+ years of tonal harmony courses before they're allowed to graduate>yes, i've been reading your postsConcessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation above.
>>124612018Go ahead. Sistershitter won't acknoweldge that consonance is relative because all intervals have different waveforms.
>>124612075from experience I believe there are two types of dissonance:a.) higher chord inversions. In the chord CEG for example the tone G cannot function as the root of either C or E. as a result the chord CEG with G in the bass is felt as dissonant.b.) absolute dissonance. there are three consonant intervals/sonorities and three dissonant intervals/sonorities and chords containing a higher proportion of dissonant intervals are felt as more dissonant. The trichord C-C#-D for example is felt as extremely dissonant because it contains only dissonant intervals.
that concludes today's lecture. I will see you all next week.
>>124612277>>124612303Thank you!! You can sit down.
Should I complete this course so I can become a better shitposter?
>>124615227>American "education"ngmi.
Scarlattihttps://youtu.be/DMGeMNhrETw
i was not expecting such a retarded thread for this genre.
Schumannhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6bfzWWYmvA
>>124617398>george schumannKek, nice try.
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtC9Rj3jpbc
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRq9abSpjaA
Wagnerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uufskjWQsW4
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g22oKmx8LU
>>124617644>>124617698Based>>124617692>>124617709Cringe
>>124617698Actually not bad.
>>124617384what were you expecting?
https://youtu.be/yAY0l07YBoc>Sisterposter thinks this sounds goodlmao
>>124617951The opening sounds so abnormally rushed, tempo is way too fast.
>>124615227I was following a similar course.
Is the 9th getting not enough respect these days? Is Beethoven rolling in his grave at the atrocites commited by the HIP movement?https://youtu.be/eLbEmMBaenU?si=IG6_Mhp1GibcPf2O&t=876
>>124611314That's what's up, sounds like a great time.
>>124617780i hate you so much wagnertranny
Greatest by decade:1450: Guillame Dufay1460: Johannes Ockeghem1470: Josquin des Prez1480: Pierre de La Rue1490: Martin Agricola1500: Antonius Divitus1510: Nicolas Gombert1520: Thomas Tallis1530: Pierre de Marchincourt1540: Cloude Goudimel1550: Giovanni Pierluigi da Palestrina1560: Orlade de Lassus1570: William Byrd1580: Giovanni Gabrieli1590: Thomas Campion1600: Michael Praetorius1610: Claudio Monteverdi1620: Girolamo Frescobaldi1630: Francesco Cavalli1640: Johan Jakob Froberger1650: Jean-Baptiste Lully1660: Heinrich Schutz1670: Dieterich Buxtehude1680: Heinrich Ignaz Franz von Biber1690: Arcangelo Corelli1700: Henry Purcell1710: Antonio Vivaldi1720: Georg Philipp Telemann1730: Jean-Philippe rameau1740: Johann Sebastian Bach1750: Domenico Scarlatti1760: George Fideric Handel1770: Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach1780: Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart1790: Ludwig van Beethoven1800: Joseph Haydn1810: Carl Maria von Weber1820: Niccolo Paganini1830: Gioacchino Rossini1840: Franz Schubert1850: Franz Liszt1860: Guiseppe Verdi1870: Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky1880: Antonin Dvorak1890: Edvard Greig1900: Gustav Mahler1910: Igor Stravinsky1920: Leos Janacek1930: Bohuslav Martinu1940: Bela Bartok1950: Dmitri Shostakovich 1960: Brian Ferneyhough1970: Alfred Schnittke1980: Gerard Grisey1990: Arvo Part
On one occasion, a superior officer demanded to know if he was "this notorious Schoenberg, then"; Schoenberg replied: "Beg to report, sir, yes. Nobody wanted to be, someone had to be, so I let it be me".[12] According to Norman Lebrecht, this is a reference to Schoenberg's apparent "destiny" as the "Emancipator of Dissonance"
>>124618164Yeah, the metronome retardation of HIPsters have ruined performance practice of that piece.
Any composers that composed under a "pen name"? I want to be a new composer that will create unique artistic pieces influenced by Cubism and Platonism, I'm thinking of some sarcastic surname like "Slopmacher but not sure about the first name. Any help?
>It was a traumatic experience to which Schoenberg would frequently refer, and of which a first mention appears in a letter addressed to Wassily Kandinsky (April 1923): "I have at last learnt the lesson that has been forced upon me this year, and I shall never forget it. It is that I am not a German, not a European, indeed perhaps scarcely even a human being (at least, the Europeans prefer the worst of their race to me), but that I am a Jew."
Beethoven symphonies9 > 2 > 4 > 6Rest don't matter
>>124618417Bach never existed; just like Shakespeare, it was a pen name used by several composers who wrote works together as a joke which then got out of hand.
>>124618438Source?
>>124618424You deserve to be gassed.
>>124618455He's right, though?
>>124618455Shut up normalfag>b-but muh funny dudududuun pieceNobody cares, we care about quality.
>>124618455Those are the only good Beethoven symphonies though.
>Schoenberg drew comparisons between Germany's assault on France and his assault on decadent bourgeois artistic values. In August 1914, while denouncing the music of Bizet, Stravinsky, and Ravel, he wrote: "Now comes the reckoning! Now we will throw these mediocre kitschmongers into slavery, and teach them to venerate the German spirit and to worship the German God". Alex Ross described this as an "act of war psychosis".
>>124618474>artisticKek, did you see his paintings? The man knew nothing about art.
>>124618495>>124618417Only maho-kun is allowed to post anime
>>124618495Schoenberg raped your mind
>>124618514Yes, we know he was a CIA asset.
>>124618536the unity of being an agp freak
>>124618536Shut up fagAnyways Beethovenhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ke2SsIYNto
>>The CIA covertly funded the Darmstadt Summer Course which retaught composers of Abstract Expressionism, epitomized by the Schoenberg/Berg/Webern school of twelve-tone or scientific "intellectual" music. Initially, the goal was to break down Nazi propaganda such as post-Wagnerians as Strauss and Pfitzner which were favored by broad audiences.Interesting... Organic... Thought-provoking...
>>124618572You're literally quoting Cold War propaganda lol.>First, the CIA provided partial funding for awhile to the Darmstadt Summer Course, but after a while it didn't. It's still around, 70 years later. 99% of what constitutes the history of this festival essentially has pretty much nothing to do with the CIA.>Second, Abstract Expressionism was never taught at the Darmstadt Festival, because Abstract Expressionism was a style of painting, and the Darmstadt Festival was a music festival.>Third, the early years of the Darmstadt festival, which is when it received some funding from the CIA, primarily consisted of works *not* by Schoenberg, Berg, or Webern. Tonal composers such as Hindemith and Milhaud were frequently performed in the early years.
>>124618557The unity of being a true 'channer who enjoys the only soulful modern art.>>124618567Which is the most anime Beethoven symphony?
>>124618582Thank you for your service.
is schoenberg post modernist?
>>124618595Yes. He was postmodernist before it was cool and Jordan Peterson started talking about it.
>mfw postmodernists have declared war on all music and art>mfw when real music is illegal to produce in the west
>>124618595Postmodernism and atonality are entirely different things. Atonality and the associated 12 tone system was a method to preserve tradition in the face of increasing Wagnerian influence that threw the rigours of common practice theory out the window, exchanging it for mere parsimonious voice-leading between tertian chords. Wagner was the true "Musik Entartete" ironically enough. What Schoenberg wanted to do was wrest hyper-chromatic hyper-modulatory late-romantic musical from the mythology that it logically descended from German music traditions, as opposed to the exhuberance of Fagner himself by putting it into its own framework so that people who made such music would eventually have a system by which to derive it. He knew a cork had to be put into the dam to get the Wagnerian waters and the Brahmsian waters (of the German tradition) flowing in their respective channels. So by making the language that contained the more emotional Wagnerian approach with its own intellectualism, he restored order to the future direction of music. Now this board blames him for ruining music tradition when he actually did his best to preserve it, because he's a Jew. Whether or not he had any success is another story. Meanwhile earlets and brainlets on 4chan think Wagner is traditional music because they like how it sounds better (as if such barbaric populism should matter). Rather it was more white*ids like John Cage (who Schoenberg, in teaching him, actually tried to graciously discourage from being a composer unless he would dedicate himself to the refining of his harmonic ear), Pierre Boulez and Karlheinz Stockhausen who decided to completely take an axe to tradition and anything good and decent.tl;dr: apologize
>>124618595There is nothing Postmodern about Schoenberg. I would argue the only composer who could be considered truly Postmodern is Berio. I'm not even considering wankers like Stockhausen and Cage composers...
Any classical music core anime to enjoy lately?
i asked you a direct question comma what exactly were you expecting?
>>124618649Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0
>>124618649Classicaloid
>>124618648>Stockhausen and Cage composersThey are composers in the same regard Schoenberg is if we consider glorified dice rollers to be "composers".
>Schoenberg, an old bitter German Jew who composed in old as shit forms and became obsolete after the 30s>postmodernistlol I can't believe this bald cunt is still triggering pseuds 100 years into the future
New Schoenberg piece just dropped.
Mozarthttps://youtu.be/WvLYEaNDOc4?t=223
https://youtu.be/NEm7Vg8Hlp8Here it is. The moment. The peak. The finale. The epitome. Your chariot has arrived at the point of no return, you are now forever scarred, you are cursed with this theophany. Your body no longer responds to your command, for Schoenberg has taken control. Only "He" decides what is right and wrong, he is the judge, jury, adjudicator and executioner. No amount of pussies you fuck, no amount of drugs you indulge yourself in, will make you forget this Dionysian delirium. You have been castrated, both physically and spiritually. How do "we" the victims of a brutish rape comfort ourselves? How do we release ourselves from these chains? Schoenberg has squeezed himself inside you. You have no name or identity, you had abandoned these trivialities once your ears graced that dissonant choir and imploding sound waves. Schoenberg. That is all. That is everything.
Nobody cares about Schoenberg.
I don't have the time to "engage" with schoensissies. Wagnerian theatre has cloaked me from the rest of this miserable world.
>>124618753So bad he couldn't even finish it.
>>124618371pretty based
>>124618753Marvelous.
>>124618371>this is a reference to Schoenberg's apparent "destiny" as the "Emancipator of Dissonance"But that was Richard Strauss.
>>124618371things that never happened
The "Emancipator of Dissonance"
>classical music>no sonata B Flat Minor by chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc9n2SOdksE
This thread is shitposting, pretending to be what it wants to be - a higher class of music. When will you learn that if you want to advance, you actually have to go to philharmony? You can't learn about old music without listening to old music either
gay, disappointing thread. don't make my cock rise again
>His inflexibility was adamantine, reducing would-be interpreters to nervous wrecks. "I am delighted to add another unplayable work to the repertoire," he said of the 1940 Violin Concerto.
>>124618753I hate jews but this is pretty good
what does the reviewer and conductor have in common?
>>124618973*what do
>>124618977>>124618973they make you seethe for no good reason
>>124619009I was merely pointing out that antisemites are illiterate. Who'd have thunk?
>>124619036recognizing similarities between two people is now considered antisemitic?
>>124619045In some cases, yes.
>>124618973They live in your head rent-free.
>>124619068perhaps you just need room to explain yourself. what about the recognition of the similarities between a fat gay jew and the jewish conductor is in any way evidence of your assertion?
>>124591525Nice Christmas gift
>>124619143The proof is in the pudding.
>>124619145In English, doc
Starting the day with MORE Antonin Benda.
>>124618973OK. I just watched that vid. What's YOUR favorite Brahms 2? I'm just going to listen to Richter in Chicago
>>124619147words are used to explain the intention behind a submitted post. i am askign you, as an alleged literate individual, to use diction in order to answer a basic question. im not expecting idioms as a response, but rather reasoning to support your assertions.>>124619169https://files.catbox.moe/u7tbtl.mp3
People who buy /classical/ vinyl. Any regrets? I know about the analog preference, physical feeling and art covers but it seems such a hard maintenance hobby.
>>124619344Pic very much related.
The pastebin is a joke. Why do you anons include it at all? The folders are basically empty.
>>124619414It's outdated but some links still work. 4chins is dead.
Yep
>>124619502What?
>>124619649The pastebin has empty folders 8/9 are empty in picrel
Now Bach on guitar
>>124619208i like his moscow recording more
damn that Cleveland Quartet recording of Brahms' sextets is incrediblehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYU6POO8sdQ&list=OLAK5uy_n0g9r1JcfAv-ylOQ_CasMeiIMNje3zBUs&index=5
>>124611950>Evidently not, sister.nah, it's true, all of it.>False, you asked for an analysis. wrong, i asked for your analysis. still waiting btw.>It is implied that the tone itself and its overtone is what creates the dissonance. implied by who? and anyways, it's wrong; dissonance exists with or without overtones. >I NEVER said this, nor did I say anything that could somehow imply this. then why are you bringing up fucking overtones, you moron? dissonance obviously exists with pure tones, overtones have literally nothing to do with the conversation. >Only autists post here.speak for yourself. >Sixths are more stable than thirdscomically wrong, no theorist believes this. >And major is more stable than minor. practically speaking, there is no difference. all thirds and sixths are treated equally as far as common practice harmony goes. >o as I said, consonances of all 4 of these intervals are relative to each othernot really, they're all equally consonant; that is to say, imperfect consonants. >And even pedagogically, Goetschius lists intervals by their importance, and submediant comes first, then mediant. where? picrel is the table he provides, thirds and sixths are clearly considered equal due to being inversions of one another. >I never said anything that could imply that tritones are not dissonant.you literally did all the way back when you claimed that the tristan chord "sounded consonant" despite containing a tritone, you fucking retard. >I'm not going to stop completelysure, i'll be happy to ream your asshole whenever you're hungry to get buttfucked again LOL>He did study the physicsof shitting in the street? >Not to this very point, no.you don't get to dictate what point i'm on when you're not minding your own business. >>124612030>The harmony IS key.harmony and key are not equivalent, no. harmony is harmony and key is simply the tonal center of common practice harmony. plenty of harmonic languages do not involve keys. (1/2)
>>124620813>>124612030>more context is needed.yeah, and that context is called harmony, you moron. it's almost like the lack of context is exactly why there is no harmony. >the tonic.how do you know it's the tonic? my B resolving up to C could simply be an Aug6 chord resolving up to V in F major/minor, or something as insignificant as motion between the fifth and sixth scale degrees of E minor going from the tonic to the subdominant. it's almost like two notes alone don't contain any harmony, and harmony is what contextualizes the voice leading function of said notes. >I cited the source cited IN Wikipediafalse, you simply posted a (broken, LOL) link to wikipedia>Not a source.sure didn't stop you from citing it earlier LMFAO>Concessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation above.yes, i've been reading your posts, no need to recap them for me. (2/2)>>124612018>>124612277>>124612303no one asked, pedophile kraut. stop ban evading.>>124617951sounds great to me, the only issue is that leibowitz doesn't commit to his starting tempo, he slows down a little after. >>124617968it's actually normal since that's what beethoven marked in the score, maybe consider the idea that what you're used to is abnormally slow.
>>124620824>it's actually normal since that's what beethoven marked in the score, maybe consider the idea that what you're used to is abnormally slow.What a deaf man writes as correct is no use to me, as I have ears and can tell that it's abnormally fast. Every non-HIPster would agree with that.
>>124620879>What a deaf man writes as correct is no use to mehe wrote the entire ninth symphony while completely deaf, so it sounds like you shouldn’t be listening to it then.
Question for local media. How do you name and tag the albums? I starting downloading from SS, ru, etc and the naimg and tagging is inconsistent. I dont care to spend the time to tag them in order to identify 4 main things: album name, piece name, composer name and performer name. In the performer the challenge is that sometimes it has an Orchestra, a main soloist and a conductor. Is it sensible to tag the Orchestra and put the others in the album name?Open to suggestions.
For me, it's Terry Riley - In C.
>>124620951*the naming
>>124620889Writing down notes is a visual exercise that can hypothetically be done without being able to hear. Tempo is not something that can be easily guessed through visuals alone and trying to dictate what the right tempo is for a piece you can't hear is nigh impossible. It is entirely likely that Beethoven's marking is inaccurate with his actual idea for the tempo and should promptly be ignored. And when you actually perform it at metronome speed, that fact is reinforced. It sounds retarded and too fast at metronome speed.
Classical listening experience>Live>Headphones>SpeakersAudiophiles dont at me
>>124620824Metronome speed sounds like shit for beethoven LOL
>>124620824>Starts defending Beethoven's unforgivably shit metronome markings againDude just stop lol
>>124620813So true HIPster sister
>HIPster sister is at it again
>>124620977>Writing down notes is a visual exercise that can hypothetically be done without being able to hear.LOL, leave it to the most comically musical illiterate of nonmusicians on /classical/ to blather their mouths like they know what they're talking about. >It is entirely likely that Beethoven's marking is inaccurate with his actual idea for the tempoproof?>And when you actually perform it at metronome speedit sounds great, and makes it obvious that all of beethoven's symphonies were successors to haydn rather than progenitors to vagner. >>124620984>>124620995oh hey, the discord tranny raiders are back. hello sisters.
>>124621021>NOOOOO STOP LAUGHING AT ME, YOU'RE LE RAIDERSpathetic LOL
>>124621021>Calling anyone illiterate when he defends beethoven metronome speedskek
>>124621040>>124621041thanks discord raider sisters
>>124621021>Is so schizophrenically obsessed with Beethoven metronome speeds that he is physically unable to understand that nobody but him wants this garbage in their recordingsTale of the HIPster sister, as old as time
>>124621049>>124621021You are retarded and no good conductor or human being agrees with you or likes you
So to compose while deaf is doable but anotate the tempo is not?
>>124621071Yes, retard
>>124621058>>124621066thanks discord raider sisters, the VC is popping off rn fr fr!
>>124621071Yes? HIPsters are schizo retards. This thread proves that
>>124621081Sure thing, take your meds btw
>>124621077Not even for a musician genious? A one in a generation giant?
>>124621071what did you expect, a sane argument from a discord tranny raider who's never read a single staff of sheet music?
>>124621097Yes, retard
>>124621097>>124621098>HIPster sisters seething this hard at a deaf idiot accidentally composing something goodlol
>>124621098Dude nobody but your schizo jew ilk likes beethoven at metronome speed
>>124621098Plenty of real musicians and conductors looked at Beethoven's metronome markings and for hundreds of years decided that it sucked and is better slower. Until jewish pedophile "musicians" came along
what's the best recording of quartet for the end of time?i've never found one i'm entirely satisfied with
>>124621094sorry sister, i'm not on estradiol like you, but it's ok if you need to take breaks from the raid to go dilate :3>>124621097it's so funny because if any of these trannies had ever picked up an instrument in their lives, they'd realize that analog metronomes have a giant swinging pendulum that makes it pretty easy to tell what the tempo is even if you can't hear it. compare that to composing entirely in your head, which requires some serious inner ear capability (which beethoven indubitably had). >>124621116>>124621123thanks discord raider sisters>>124621139>Plenty of real musicians and conductors looked at Beethoven's metronome markings and for hundreds of years decided that it sucked and is better slower.nah, just vagner; everyone else was just mindlessly following her every word without thinking too hard about it until the last couple of decades.
>>124620879What's your favorite recording of the 9th?
>>124621155Who mentioned trannies you schizophrenic retard
>>124621155>/pol/ tards try not to bring up trannies challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
>>124621155Dude actually has troons living in his head rent free, kek. Literally cannot accept that Beethoven's metronome markings fucking suck lmao
>>124621175you did by hopping on VC, discord raider sister :3>>124621180>>124621188>the entire raid immediate switches topic at the exact same timesisters, can't you try to be a little LESS obvious about it?
>>124621155One of the most pathetic displays on the site
>>124621190Because your beliefs are so obviously wrong that people are starting to just laugh at your schizophrenia instead LOL
HIPster sisterbros... Not feeling so good
>>124621194yes, conducting discord gay op raids on a dead 4chan general is pretty pathetic, but still not as pathetic as a failed man transitioning into a fake "woman" LOL>>124621201quite the poor excuse, discord raider sister.
NEW THREAD>>124621214>>124621214>>124621214
>>124620951Album names are the name of the composition(s). I enforce this rule even when the album has a different official name since my library is sorted that way. The conductor or primary artist(s) are appended at the end of the name in parenthesis for identification purposes. The artist tags are tagged with the performs, and the album artist tag is tagged with the primary performer(s) that are consistent throughout. If there is no consistent artist throughout then it gets the "Various Artists" tag.
>>124621209I am in your walls
>>124621222not while you're dilating your neovagina!
>>124621209So true HIPster sister
>>124620951I put the name of the piece(s) in the title, the performers, including conductor, soloists, orchestra, in the album artist field, and the composer in the artist field.
>>124621232>>124621242a lot of effort for a shockingly poor raid, discord sisters. VC is not bussin fr fr
A notable historical account indicates that Beethoven's own performance tempos sometimes diverged from his specified metronome markings. Carl Czerny, a student of Beethoven, observed that Beethoven's actual playing often differed from the indicated tempos. This suggests that Beethoven may have used metronome markings as general guidelines rather than strict requirements, allowing for flexibility in interpretation.
>>124621260Maybe because its just the thread telling you to fuck off?
>>124621260Schizophrenics building all kinds of theories to explain why nobody likes them and would prefer them to kys will never not be funny to me.
>>124621263which beethoven piece did czerny hear him play that had a metronome marking? >>124621275nah, it's jut your discord raid failing to achieve anything of substance as usual LOL
>>124620879>>124621157Well, anon?
>>124621286he says while mumbling in discord about how epically owned /classical/ is
>>124621287You're delusional kek
>>124621309Schizo kek
>>124621307Any non-metronomic recording is perfection
Metronomecucks are antithetical to the idea of music
>>124621307you're asking for too much from a bunch of discord trannies. >>124621311>>124621322thanks discord raider sisters, be sure to come back at the exact same time tomorrow with the exact same 4 people posting the exact same things and switching subjects at the exact same time!
>>124621335Why are you avoiding the question?
dude really thinks there is a discord of anti-metronome people instead of just believing nobody likes metronomic performances KEK
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>>124621345not that you would know since you've never touched an instrument in your life, discord sister>>124621351because he is a tranny raider, not a poster interested in honest discussion. >>124621356a discord full of trannies that raid 4chan generals? sounds like business as usual honestly.
>>124621371>SISTERPOSTER talking about honest discussionLmao fucking kys
>>124621387sounds like you're not too happy about the results of your raid so far, discord tranny sister.
>>124621397i wish poster counts were still there to expose your coping retarded ass LOL
>>124621449poster counts wouldn't change the fact that the 4 of you are all cooped up in the same discord coordinating your epic raid though.
>>124620813>>124620824>nah, it's trueUntrue, all of it.>wrongFalse, you asked for an analysis. This is easily verifiable btw.>implied by who?By me, retard. The overtones create dissonance WITH every other tone and overtone, not alone by themselves. Obviously.>then why are you bringing up fucking overtones, you moron?Simply to prove that consonance is relative, EVEN in the timbre, some instruments are inherently more dissonant because of specific proportions of the overtones, I thought that was obvious, but you're a retard arguing against something because you missed the point. >speak for yourself.Ok sperg.>comically wrong, >practically speaking, there is no difference>not really, they're all equally consonantConsonant intervals produce waveforms that repeat in simpler, more predictable patterns (due to their frequency ratios), leading to a perception of stability. Thirds (5:4) have a slightly more complex repetition pattern than sixths (5:3). This complexity stems from the closer spacing of frequencies, which increases the chance of overlapping and interference. Sixths (5:3), being farther apart, create less interference between their harmonics, resulting in a smoother perceptual consonance.>picrelThe major third (5:4) spectrum shows that the harmonics align somewhat irregularly, leading to more complex interaction and slightly greater dissonance. The major sixth (5:3) spectrum exhibits smoother harmonic alignment, with fewer conflicting frequencies, making it relatively more consonant.Furthermore, in paragraph 13 of the Goetschius book, the tones are arranged according to their relative importanxe, and submediant comes BEFORE mediant, this is not just a random arrangement.Evidently, there is a difference, and not all consonances are equal.(1/2)
>>124620813>>124620824>>124622067>you literally did all the way back when you claimed that the tristan chord "sounded consonant" I literally said that tristan chord is dissonant you retard. But a chord being dissonant does not mean that it will always, without exception, SOUND dissonant to the ear.>sure, i'll be happy to ream your asshole More like the opposite. Whenever you get uppity, I'll know the buckbreaking season is on and I'll do my part, sister.>you don't get to dictate what point i'm onSo you've lost and this is your attempt at recovery LMFAO.>key is simply the tonal centerNo shit you troglodyte. Key is the language of harmony, without a tonal center there is no functional harmony. >yeah, and that context is called harmonySo V in Cmaj is not harmony because it could be the tonic of Gmaj? LOL. Okay retard.>it's almost like two notes alone don't contain any harmony,Neither do two chords, by that logic.>false, you simply posted a (broken, LOL) link to wikipediaAnd then I provided source, the wikipedia link was just for the convenience that such term exists, sadly you're too retarded to understand the difference between an ideology and purely mathematical relations in music, which are objective.>of shitting in the street?>yes, i've been reading your postsConcessions & copes & meltdowns & etc. compilation above.(2/2)
>>124621362>>124621246>>124621218Thanks!
>>124622274what did you learn
>>124622274it took not a lot of time but still some time to create that image. the least you can do is answer my question.
>>124622279>>124622327lmfao
>>124622676lmao even hahah lmfao lol got em
>>124622327Expecting something from others (more so on the internet) is a bad idea. But I will concede and answer your question: I already use your same convention. Early today was toying around with mp3tags doing so.
>>124618824chopin is boring
