Alkan editionhttps://youtu.be/ivtTLXFUA0EThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western (European) classical tradition, as well as classical instrument-playing.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://rentry.org/classicalgenPrevious: >>130540950
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What concrete evidence is there for classical music being a conservative-dominated interest? I know that the Vienna philharmony excluded women for the longest time, and that Chinese who are culturally conservative are overrepresented among classical musicians, but what other indicators are there?
>>130568887Classical music is an old people dominated interest and old people skew conservative.
>>130568887What the hell are you talking about?>Liberalism was associated with an appreciationfor classical music (r = .38) and jazz (r = .26), whereas conservatism was associated with liking forcountry music (r = .21). https://faculty.haas.berkeley.edu/dana_carney/Carney%2C%20Jost%2C%20Gosling.pdfIt's pretty much given that any relatively high-IQ part of culture is associated with liberal/progressive views.
>>130568936Amuttmico isn't the entire world. Ashkenazim, who are high IQ, dominate classical in the US which skews the stats towards the left.
>>130569014Broadly speaking, general intelligence positively correlates with leftist/progressive views, as well as classical music appreciation, musical skills, etc. So it is safe to assume that the latter two positively correlate as well.
>>130569073IQ difference is negligible to nonexistent, meanwhile leftists consistently are way more mentally ill and childless. Also I found out that NYC philharmony excluded women until 1966 when Bernstein introduced the first female musician
>>130569141>IQ difference is negligible to nonexistentIncorrect. We are discussing moderate to strong positive correlations.Childlessness also positively correlates with general intelligence.
>>130568758https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWnyfFgWuVE
>>130568887you're such a cunt for bringing politics into this.
Fuck You. I was asking about the source of this which I and my subconsciousness was sure existed, but you niglets replied with farts and other low tier shitposting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laP-F-yqWMoYeah i found it after years. it's based on Mendelssohn's Song Without Words op.102 No 1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgJg_U3cLHcYEAH I CAN REST IN PEACE NOW
>>130570101I stumbled upon your pleas for help while browsing the archives yesterday and then astral projected this knowledge into your mind last night. You're welcome.
>>130570125lol thanks anon I really appreciate that.
>>130570101kill yourself, faggot.
>>130569504Perfection.
>>130570101literally the first google result
>>130567009>Trevor Pinnockthose were the ones i listened to along with the orchestral concertos. they were okay. the famous one was good. i feel like i might have listened to more bach than most people on here at this point, though i probably havent relistened to him as much, which is what counts.>Passacagliai listened to it many times now, still think dorian, great, fantasias, and the chorales arranged for organ are better. your version sounded pretty good.>St. John Passionyes the opening had made me listen to all of it. the rest was mostly very boring. those oratios have some gems hidden in there. same with the cantatas, but its always mostly the openings that are good.>Bach's appeal lies mostly in his domain of counterpoint and structurealthough what he is doing sounds complex, with how diatonic he is and how many rules he is following to guarantee good counterpoint, it feels like hes using the same tricks all the time (harmonic marches in fifths for example), and because of those tricks he is never too melodically memorable (unless its those "greatest hits" that dial down the counterpoint) or harmonically interesting.
>>130571134Is there any diatonic music that you like?
>>130571134>, still think dorian, great,What?
Currently hissinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNs3bjozBG0&list=RDYNs3bjozBG0&start_radio=1
>>130572275Interesting. Good, tasteful conducting. Never heard of this recording before.
>>130571134>those were the ones i listened to along with the orchestral concertos. they were okay.why just "okay"? >i listened to it many times now, still think dorian, great, fantasias, and the chorales arranged for organ are betterHow come you found those better? Almost every one who likes his organ work (and I agree the toccatas and fantasias are excellent, Dorian is one of my favorites along the f major toccata) concurs the passacaglia is great, if bwv 538 makes you tick I genuinely don't get how the passacaglia doesn't>although what he is doing sounds complex, with how diatonic he is and how many rules he is following to guarantee good counterpoint [...] he is never too melodically memorabledo you like his contemporaries? handel especially? if not, it might be the case that you don't find counterpoint interesting on its own, because the prevailing philosophy was. in fact, to make the music structurally taut rather than shoot for immediate melodic appeal. unlike the following classical and romantic periods, they really saw it fit to make a fugue out of basically anythingso if you're looking for the long flowing melodies mozart, chopin, or even beethoven might have written, they do not show up so often in Bach. But it is precisely what he manages to accomplish within those seemingly restrictive counterpunctual rules that make him so memorable. Combining multiple voices that need to follow more or less the same theme into a coherent whole is already difficult, but he manages to make it sublimehttps://youtu.be/lP-8C1UF1mE?si=dTBriG7I2jbJ71jfI've already waxed long enough, but weaving a whole piece from those 4 notes is not a trivial thing to doalso, did you listen to the 6th partita I linked?>>130572229he's referring to bwv 538 and bwv 542 (great fantasia and fugue in g minor I believe)
>>130568262>Only if performed by Cortotdo you just follow whatever opinions that opera obsessed chinese guy posts? cortot's bradenburg 2 has bizarre pauses in the first movement that completely ruin the flow of the piece, not to mention how the orchestra is so thick you can barely follow the counterpoint
>>130567093Probably Helmut Lachenmann, maybe Earle Brown>>130567457Before and after the age of 22
>>130572364try the first movement too. it's superb.
>>130572695I did, I was rather disappointed with the pianist. Too synthesized, metronomic phrasing, not a fan. But it was interesting nonetheless, thanks.
>>130572825too bad. at least you gave someone new (to you) a try. I did enjoy the entire concerto, one of my favorite interpretations. Try out his Rach Paganini, it's incredible.
Boccherini chad, are you out there? What are your top 3 Boccherini opus numbers?
Any Haydn symphonies that are as glorious as no. 88?
>>130573411Okay nazi.
Scarlatti time
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKAhmFTREo&list=OLAK5uy_k_iN2GbPyvM1lKt5XkicvBAeGQABk-5kc&index=1>Martha Argerich has been described as "unquestionably one of the greatest pianists of all time". She recorded this recital in 1965, shortly after her victory in the prestigious Chopin Competition, but it only became available in 1999. "Argerich was quite the most formidable player we had ever come across," said the album's producer, Suvi Raj Grubb, "Nothing would have been beyond this woman." All this adds up to a recording that is indeed legendary, and now fully newly remastered in HD 192kHz/24-bit from original tapes.
>>130570803That AI result pulled the answer from anon's post.
To think that /classical/ went from a barely alive general, archiving at 50-150 replies, to a spamfest, several times, back to its primal state, is quite astonishing.What was your:>favorite /classical/ eraAnd>least favorite /classical/ era?
>>130574750>To think that /classical/ went from a barely alive general, archiving at 50-150 replies,Is that true?also I am always surprised to discover there are anons who browse through the archive of old threads. I suppose it makes sense, so long as the posts are new to you, then they're just as good as actually new posts, but still. Do you go thread-by-thread using the 'prev' in the OP, or do you search certain keywords and go to that post's thread?
once again, it's pronounced george in-szelldamn now i'm mad i didn't come up with this when the sisterposter was around considering how much they loved szell
>>130574771Going through the archives is such a hassle, you can't format the threads with 4chanX and images open in new tabs. No idea how anyone can stand it.
>>130574750>favorite /classical/ eraIf I had to pick I would say the past few threads have actually been the least I have hated this place (save for the annoying Chopin and Gould faggots)>least favorite /classical/ erawhen he who shall not be named was spamming here daily for 3 straight fucking years before he finally offed himself. May he burn forever in the lowest pit of hell.
>>130574827The sister guy or the Wagner Quotes guy
>>130574771Yes it is. Even during some spambot reigns /classical/ would often archive before bump limit.>>130574827Chopin is God.>>130574841Wagner chad is still here
>>130574708>We need a token female player
>>130574841sister guy>>130574899spammers aren't chads
woodbird: liszt fanssiegfried: chopincelshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUDqX4AZL7w
>>130575227coincidentally, some of the comments on that link claim Liszt wrote those pieces to commemorate Chopin after his death. didn't know that
>>130573411no. 14.
>>130568133I'm on his side, and I even shill Boccherini with him sometimes. Haydn, Boccherini and some Beethoven are the most acceptable composers for me of that era.
>>130574750I'm so glad to have been part of that spamfest as the BABIAA poster, i hope this general stays as autistic as possible, cause I don't want it any other way.
>>130567908You're missing out on the other great faggot of Baroque music, Lully. And please do not ignore Louis XIVs great court musicians
when his Rattle gonna come out with his Gotterdammerung, FUCKhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tuX4BMSrAA&list=OLAK5uy_mtAj89oz17ewsL72Dg-IJkEYEQ3oRAq7c&index=47he released DR in 2016, DW in 2020, and Siegfried in 2023, so I guess he's moving at pace, albeit a snail's pace, but c'mon
What is some other music like The Planets?
>>130575535I've always found Smetana's Ma Vlast and Strauss' Alpine Symphony to be somewhat similar, though they both have differences in their central object (pastoral nationalism for the former, a mythic journey up the alps for the latter, instead of the cosmic personification of Holst's work)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MktssbscyQwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkATv7kU_VUoh and maybe Strauss' Also Sprach Zarathustrahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MkpITDJNzY(lmfao at the floating iron man in this video, I was astonished to see him as I always do a quick sample of these links before I post them)
This is better than any Mozart, Bach or Beethoven piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_zrVTTCaxo
>>130575535https://youtu.be/vb9vw9KxN04https://youtu.be/IBb5lDedFIUhttps://youtu.be/MSTdlaNg7u8
>>130575585not even clicking the link
>>130575585I like Glass' Etudes, yet there's always been something off-putting about them, they feel almost kitsch and commercial, like they were composed by Apple's marketing department for one of their commercial's and to be played in their stores, and it's been endlessly focus group tested for the right atmosphere and public favorability.a real supermarket aesthetic, a cashier's point-of-view, y'know?so I like them, but I'm far away from loving them.
>>130575585It is a good piece and Vikingur Olafsson is a powerful name
>>130575608What about this one? I looove this one, doesn't even feel like a typical Glass piecehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LO_Xj2lgtE
>>130575608Hmm> but everybody will eventually forget it because each generation will create its own supermarket music - like produce that after eight days is rotten and you can’t eat it anymore and have to toss it away.”
“[Schoenberg’s dodecaphony (12-tone writing) is] a direction as wrong as any in the history of music. From Schoenberg’s pen flows a stream of infuriating clichés and formidable stereotypes redolent of the most wearily ostentatious romanticism… those fake appoggiaturas, those arpeggios, tremolandos and note repetitions, which sound so terribly empty… finally, the depressing poverty, even ugliness of the rhythms.”
>>130575608I really wish that supermarket music still existed and was used instead of annoying radio pop
>>130575708Boulez's comments can safely be ignored because he had nothing constructive to say.
“I believe a civilisation that conserves is one that will decay because it is afraid of going forward and attributes more importance to memory than the future. The strongest civilisations are those without memory - those capable of complete forgetfulness. They are strong enough to destroy because they know they can replace what is destroyed. Today our musical civilisation is not strong; it shows clear signs of withering… […] Conducting has forced me to absorb a great deal of history, so much so, in fact, that history seems more than ever to me a great burden. In my opinion we must get rid of it once and for all.”
>>130575734Any examples of civilisations without memory, whatever that means?
>>130575775Perth
Boulez will never be a real composer
>>130575620thinking something must be good because it's Nordic is a powerful meme that needs to fucking die.
>>130575791Boulez is the Statler and Waldorf of classical music.
“[Composers of 12-tone music] give themselves over, as a group or individually, to frenetic arithmetic masturbation. For in their necessitous speculation they have forgotten to go beyond the elementary stage of arithmetic. Do not ask them for anything more: they know how to count up to 12 and in multiples of 12.”(in the same article): “What can we conclude? The unexpected: I, in turn, assert that any musician who has not experienced - I do not say understood, but, in all exactness, experienced – the necessity for the dodecaphonic [12-tone] language is USELESS. For his whole work is irrelevant to the needs of his epoch.
Schönberg should have invented dodocaphonic music instead (music that imitates what you imagine dodos sounded like or the kind of music that you think they would have enjoyed).
As if stealing from Holst wasn't enoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PePhrSp8BB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_xNwxcCxHM&list=RDF_xNwxcCxHM&start_radio=1
>>130573107Way too many works for me to pick just three. I can hardly pick top three instrument combinations
>>130575838>>>/mu/
>>130575532Why do you care? His singers are trash.
>>130573107>>130575852His Stabat Mater op 61 stands alone in his oeuvre as his only surviving sacred work, though, if you're into that. Otherwise there's just too much, of rather even quality. So many quintets, so many symphonies, so many cello concertos!
>>130575864You're on /mu/ kid
>>130575838his best performance imo.
>>130575925summers just come so fast nowadays
>>130569504>>130570397>Well never get more of this
>>130569504I would bet some money that this guy has never heard the piece before
>>130576108Right? Life can be good sometimes
>>130575892Because it's an incomplete cycle, and I can't try listening to it until it's complete. That bugs me.
>>130573742Foolish. It has a diverse audience.
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>>130577104o_-
Zhu Xiao-Mei's Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDgbgY89qDY&list=OLAK5uy_nHQ4lS9C8AdLQW7FQiI_o6i98D2PiMCRY&index=19
>>130575892His Siegfried (and only his Siegfried) is good, and his Brunnhilde is good at her lower register (whith a hideously wobbly upper register)
>>130577702"Good" is a very generous word for that Siegfried imo
>>130577840I like him a lot actually
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHH6Pi7fF5s&list=RDqHH6Pi7fF5s&start_radio=1This guy's waltzes impressed me but man...does his interpretation of Bach's first Partita take the fucking prize.
>>130578121Sounds pretty good to me. Where did you see the prize thing?
the hiss demon awakens...
Alkan was one of the very few contemporary pianist composers in Paris who Chopin had any respect for.
>>130574827>If I had to pick I would say the past few threads have actually been the least I have hated this place (save for the annoying Chopin and Gould faggots)you = tasteless faggot boy
Tonal music is for women, children and homosexual men. Why straight men over the age of 18 don't grow out of it is completely beyond me.
>>130578523*screeches intellectually*
>>130577141I remember liking her AoF ages ago so I will check this out>>130578506global rule 2
Why does the bassoon lend itself so well to countermelodies? I hear it often e.g. in Mozart 40th 1st movement and Beethoven 2nd 4th movement.
>>130578638because it has a distinct sound and a different register from the strings etc.?? you really couldn't think of this yourself?
>>130578661>distinct soundThe same applies to the flute, oboe and trumpet, yet I don't hear those as often in the same role.>different registerThe string section covers the entire registerial spectrum.
Terry RileyGiacinto ScelsiHermann Nitsch>>130575838Based
>>130578679it must be something entirely different then. maybe mozart liked the shape of the bassoon; maybe beethoven fancied the local bassoon player. it will remain a mystery!
