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So 11 speed is not offically pleb tier and patrician cyclists ride 12 speed already or have one orderered.

Electric shifting, of course.

Shimano, being the choice of lower social strata, is stuck on 11 on the raod, but even they provide 12 for the serious mountain rider.

How does it make you feel? Being so inferior and riding 9 or, God forbid, 7 speed?
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Hopefully this means the next generation of Tiagra will be 11 speed and I can replace my 5800 shifters with those after I get chopped in a corner first race next season.
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>>1255005
I'll take the bait and say that I don't realy care.
I'm faster than the Freds and here in the hills these narrow spaced gears are not much of an advantage anyway.
50/34 11-28 7-speed is sufficient to pass them.
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Makes me feel pretty good knowing I can probably cop a cheap 11 speed etap soon.
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I'm not planning on moving from 10 speed any time soon
Maybe when my shifters break
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>>1255005
How much lighter is it than 2x10 though?
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Fpr cycling nobody needs more than 3x7 speeds anyway. The rest is pseudo-inventions for ripping off stupid cyclists.
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>>1255015
Cope
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Somebody call Shimano and tell cassette should be located outside the triangle. Then spoke angle wouldn't be that bad on the drive side.
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>>1255020
The detriments of drive side spoke angles are vastly overstated in my opinion, but you do have a good idea.
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>>1255022
Would not slap chainstay either
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>>1255024
Also belt drive
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>falling for the latest marketing meme
>being proud of it on top of that

How much of a retard do you have to be?
How about you ride your bike?

I know I'm taking the bait here, but there are people like OP irl.
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>>1255028
gravel biek
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>>1255005
3 speed is all you need Tryhard bike tech nigger
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>>1255015
This
>>1255022
>The detriments of drive side spoke angles are vastly overstated in my opinion, but you do have a good idea.
Wrong
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>>1255032
If they were as bad as armchair cyclists make them out to be we would see busted spokes in every single race. So far I’ve only seen one pop on a 24 spoke wheel under a dude who had to weigh at least 240 lbs.
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>>1255030
In fairness, gravel bikes are useful in places with frost-heaved roads as well.

t. Michigander
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Youre all gay and real cyclists do it single speed
Later homos
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>>1255007
You'll have to replace your wheels, too.
>>1255030
Old and busted. Can't wait for the flood of g-bikes with less than 100 miles on them on CL. New meme is e-bike.
>>1255015
We never needed indexing and integrated shifting, either, but here we are!
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>>1255047
5800 is 11 speed, unless you’re saying Tiagra is going to be disc-only
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>>1255005
Post bike drivetrain with timestamp

>>1255008
>7-speed
>11-28
You're not exactly riding at the top of your potential so I guess that explains in part why you don't understand how having as many cogs only 1 tooth different from each other makes a difference. That and likely never having had any better than what you have now. Believe me I understand not having a basis for comparison.

>>1255015
>low-quality bait

>>1255046
>real cyclists do it single speed
Not fixed-gear? LOL, casual.
Also be sure to enjoy those >=10% climbs. No worries for you, though, knee replacement surgery is pretty routine these days. xD

***************

I see no reason for anyone to be an early-adopter of 12-speed drivetrains, especially if 10/11-speed freewheels won't support them. The only reason the S5 frameset I have will be built up for 11-speed is the wheelsets I have will support it, otherwise I'd be going to 10-speed.
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11 mountain already looks retarded with the chain on the biggest gear and it constantly hovers on the edge of slipping off the sprocket by a margin of like .5 mm in adjustment
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What if i live in Chicago and the biggest climb is a bridge over a river
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>>1255033
>race
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>>1255071
what, you scared wh*teboi?
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>>1255005
>be only person on 7 speed in roadie club all with modern ultegra or above
>Ride with lead group and drop everyone else, ~top 20%

Feeling pretty superior

>Using cheap plastic thumb shifters on top of that
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>>1255087
got any epic group ride stories?
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>>1255072
Yeah I scared, of you niggers jacking my bike
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>>1255087
Nothing wrong with <10 speed drive systems.
Only literal pro's can pull any benefit from a higher sprocket count.
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>>1255092
Can you explain this in more detail? As far as I understand the jumps in cadence between shifts is the same for everyone regardless if they’re getting paid to ride or not.
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>>1255005
>Being so inferior and riding 9 or, God forbid, 7 speed?
Nigga I ride single speed.
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>>1255087
Man what a shit group
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>>>1255008 (You)
>7-speed
>11-28
>You're not exactly riding at the top of your potential so I guess that explains in part why you don't understand how having as many cogs only 1 tooth different from each other makes a difference.
Indeed, but not even nearly as much as in the flats.
Only in the flats you have a measureable advantage, in the hills your cadence is never perfect anyway.
Too tightly spaced gears slow down your shifting when the gradient changes.
>That and likely never having had any better than what you have now. Believe me I understand not having a basis for comparison.
I rented a 11-speed 105 equiped bike with carbon fork for almost two weeks during vacation, it didn't make a significant difference.

If I was riding more in the flats, my position might be different, but currently I often just draft trucks when in the flats, so I'm often riding in 50:11 at 70-80 km/h anyway.
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>>1255055
>Post bike drivetrain with timestamp

Sorry mate. Blue board.
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>>1255093
I was explaining part of this in my 1x road video. But the thing is - pros have such an instinctive understanding of gearing and FTP that they get most benefits from having a ton of closely spaced gears.

And there are people like me, who never have "enough" of gears. I am doing my best now to convert a "1x only" MTB to a 2x with a road cassette.
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>>1255110
>Too tightly spaced gears slow down your shifting when the gradient changes.
If the rider is retarded, yes. Otherwise, this is in the running for dumbest statement on /n/

>but currently I often just draft trucks when in the flats
Racing equipment is not developed with idiots like you in mind.

>>1255114
>pros have such an instinctive understanding of gearing and FTP that they get most benefits from having a ton of closely spaced gears
Anyone with power and cadence meters and more than one season of training with both has that a very good understanding where they're most powerful and are still able to react to surges and attacks.
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>>1255110
you are fucking retarded lol
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>>1255120
>If the rider is retarded, yes. Otherwise, this is in the running for dumbest statement on /n/
I can shift more than half of my cassette with one shift, when reaching a steep section, I shift once to get into the proper gear and don`t loose much time.
>>but currently I often just draft trucks when in the flats
>Racing equipment is not developed with idiots like you in mind.
Tell me a faster way to ride the flats as a climber.
>>1255124
>retarded
Maybe slightly suicidal, but not a retard.
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>>1255125
You need to jump up half your cassette when you start going up an incline? How weak are you?
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>>1255126
Not weak at all, inclines tend to have over 10% here with gradients that change pretty fast and I tend to spin up climbs rather than grinding them up.
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>>1255128
I've climbed in the mountains too, never once have I thought that I was hindered by the speed of my shifters to find a comfortable cadence.

Cope.
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>>1255130
I can only talk about my experience with 11-speed and 11-28 cassettes, but the larger spacing between the gears is nice when you have rapidly changing gradients.
In the flats or almost constant gradients I`m totaly with you.
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>>1255132
I don't think you understand, with modern shifters you can jump half a cassette within one pedal revolution if you really need to.
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>>1255133
One pedal revolution maybe, but not with one shift up front for more than half of the cassette.
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>>1255134
ok now I agree with >>1255124
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>>1255110
Your mistake was renting a bike with 105. It can't shift fast because shimano can't into designing levers that can dump half a cassette in one go.
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>>1255110
Sorry if it sounds insulting, but you sound like me when I was nothing but a casual rider. When you ride for performance you learn there's a difference.
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>>1255111
>Sorry mate. Blue board.
So in other words you have no such thing yourself and are Just Another Shitposter. Gotcha.
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>>1255128
While it's a good idea to climb at higher cadences when possible, saving your muscular endurance for when you need it the most, you should be able to plan ahead enough when a climb is coming up to shift to larger cogs (and likely to your small chainring) and also your pedaling mechanics should be efficient enough at a wide range of cadences (i.e., in this case, >100rpm) that you can deal with spinning the cranks faster for a handful of moments before you start a climb that you don't lose momentum.
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>>1255138
>shimano can't into designing levers that can dump half a cassette in one go
If you can't flick the lever all the way twice in the space of 1.0-1.5 seconds then I don't know what to think. Personally it's never been a problem, and my old bike had 105 on it.
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>>1255168
you still don't have a rideable bike?
get a cheap beater off craigslist, it's better than nothing
Or would that be embarrassing for you?
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I ride 11-25 10 speed
I'm assuming my gears go as follows:
11-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-25
12 speed 11-30:
11-12-13-14-15-16-18-20-22-24-27-30
as you can tell this increase in gears provides 0 real world performance benefit unless you need a 30 tooth sprocket for some reason. I have decided that I do not need this.

I have tried electric shifting and it's terrible. mechanic shifting is buttery smooth and I can feel the relationship in cadence, chain tension, and cable pull. I feel connected to every shift, it's very kinetic and wonderful.

>raod
aha you're a blundering idiot.

I cannot take the average mountain biker seriously because my entire cross country team passes them like they're standing still on hill repeats, leaving me to assume their fitness doesn't improve because they pedal uphill in gears that would leave them better off pushing their bicycles.

seriously they make gruppos with ratios less than 1:1
>and they sell 0=0

it all is rather amusing. I am baffled when hanging out at lbs and SRAM eagle comes up. something like 300 dollars for a cassette that cripples your bicycle. maybe it is made for people with only one leg?
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>>1255138
my dream shifter is the OG gripshift before they got acquired by SRAM, made nearly completely silent. just as much response on shifts. the same way the cable wraps around the internal of the shifter to provide 2:1 cable pull.

you can throw the entire cassette in either direction. I love twisters except for the obnoxious CLICK CLICK CLICK each time I shift.
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>>1255173
my road bike has a quite long wheelbase and i frequently ride gradients where i can't pedal seated because the front wheel lifts

I pity anyone who doesn't ride horse category climbs like that because it's the real nigga shit.
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>>1255174
sounds like you'd enjoy friction stem shifters
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what a shitty thread
it's like a breeding ground for autism and bullshitty bragging
just stfu and ride your bike.
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>>1255182
>a breeding ground for autism
welcome to /n/
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>>1255110
your post is reasonable.
having gears spaced too tightly isn't much of a disadvantage, however it doesn't net much shifting performance. as you get into larger sprockets, you are able to make longer jumps in number of teeth because the increase in circumference of 1 tooth corresponds to a less significant change in radius than at the beginning of the cassette. 11->14 is much harder to shift than 25->28.
furthermore it is easier to settle into proper turnover if you're able to shift the position of your foot along the pedal axle. further towards the ball of your foot seems to benefit higher cadences and resting under the center of your foot helps with standing on the pedal and provide smooth torque. cadence is only one aspect of turnover, another being momentum/gear inches (lastly I would consider the total of physiological economy).

I'm not sure about drafting behind trucks but I've done it a few times to great success. I need to develop my power further so I can overcome wind resistance and that becomes less necessary.
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>>1255178
long wheelbases ftw
iirc too easy of a gear makes doing a wheelie much easier, so I'd look into that.
in the era of heavier bicycles they would also use heavier gears to match, food for thought.
>>1255180
I'm worried it would be less practical to use friction on 10 speed. also I love twist shifters because I'm gravitating towards flat bars.
>>1255183
desu being a deadbeat at a teen center-bike commune has turned me into the greatest autist, further than /n/ has driven me.
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>>1255185
to compliment my autistic focus on flat bars I want a pneumatic, shock absorbing stem (slow and deliberate so that if I push down on it there is resistance possible to redistribute towards steering) that I can adjust the angle on the fly in order to allow for an aero position.
I like my stems crazy long. I feel that stem length needs to grow with wheelbase.
also maybe a buckling spring somewhere close to the wheel. (only deflects on positive input from a shocking object as not to absorb energy)

mostly I need to focus on making a stem I can adjust the angle of by some kind of intuitive performant design...
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the neck has all the properties I desire from a stem, maybe I need to do bio-mimicry >:)
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>>1255171
WTF are you talking about? You must be responding to me in error.
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>>1255173
>I have tried electric shifting and it's terrible. mechanic shifting is buttery smooth and I can feel the relationship in cadence, chain tension, and cable pull. I feel connected to every shift, it's very kinetic and wonderful.
Oh god another painfully autistic faggot on /n/
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>>1255208
you said a while ago that your bike was kill and you're referring to your 'old' bike

do you, or do you not have a rideable bike atm?
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>>1255005
>only 12 speed
>electronic shifting
Stay vintage, pleb.
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>>1255173
I'll sperg a little.

10 speed 11-25 are universally sequenced like this:

11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-25
so a 12 speed version would be
11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-23-25-27-30

Essentially, 12 speed in this format gives one two extra gears or 25% extra range. If you don't need it, then don't get it. But.

11-12-13-(14-15-17-19-21)-23-25

In brackets I have added cogs that are on the Most Common Range - they correspond to the range where most cyclists spend most of the time. So hypothetical 12 speed 11-25...

11-12-13-(14-15-16-17-18-19-21)-23-25

...extends it from five to seven gears. Granted, it forces more common shifting to actually use it and some people can't be bothered, but it is a clear, tangible benefit.

Pic kinda related. 11-18 I rode a decade ago with a triple at the front. On an MTB. It kind of annoys me that the market goes in the direction of "moar range" when adding cogs.

>>1255165
10/10 awareness mate.

>>1255246
I am not a fan of 1x, but if you want to have it on the road - this is how you do it.
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>>1255261
And I forgot to trip. Silly me.
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>>1255261
11 speed 11 - 23 cassettes are widely available with the same gear steps as your 12 speed 11 - 25 excluding the 25. The only problem with the 11 - 23 cassettes are that they're not enough for mountains and you need a cassette with a longer gear range to swap to when riding in areas with a lot of climbing. I can see 12 or 13 speed at the latest solving that problem and being able to provide both the range needed to ride everywhere while also having 1 tooth steps for the most used range.
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How do filter tripfags in clover
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>>1255310
>how do I stick my head in the sand
Generation Z... bunch of pussies.
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>>1255005
>Everyone is get hype about 2x12 eTap
>And I'm just sitting here with 3x7 friction
Feels good man.
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>>1255015
>3x7 is all you need
yeah... you've clearly never run an old mtb on any sort of technical terrain and had chain-suck ruin your shit.
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>>1255005
I drop freds like you on my alu bike with 10 speed Red all the time
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>>1255178
the only horse category rider around these parts is baconrider
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>>1255208
answer my question
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>>1255475
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>daily a fixed
>4-point gear ratio
>Knees are fine tho
>Mfw posting on /n/
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>>1255005
>using gears cause you need muscle to move your bike
And you call other people pleb?
Neck yerself
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>>1255005
>tfw running 2x6





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