can the foreign shills name the girl in op

>>1340606
No they've never heard of reverse image search in India

>>1340606
apparently not

Why even have a debate? We all know Kamala is going to win this November. You Republicunts are just wasting everyone's time

9 pm? zzzzzz

Make your bingo card now
https://bingobaker.com/#66e0e141a861522a

https://www.politico.com/live-updates/2024/09/10/trump-harris-presidential-debate-tonight
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/09/10/us/harris-trump-debate
https://www.npr.org/live-updates/donald-trump-kamala-harris-debate-2024

NYT:
>Although the debate studio is effectively sealed off from anyone besides the candidates, moderators and production crew, a small “pool” of independent journalists has been allowed inside to witness the proceedings. Any sotto voce remarks that are not picked up the microphones — especially when the mics are muted — may be detected by these journalists, though we probably won’t hear about them until after the broadcast.

TARIFFS

Lmao he's already trying to damage control for project 2025.

He looks sedated

NYT:
>It is notable that Harris just used some her time to rebut Trump’s comments about the economy by talking directly to the audience watching: “I’m going to tell you on this debate tonight, you’re going to hear from the same old, tired playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name-calling,” she said, her gaze straight ahead.

Politico:
Pro-Palestinian protester disrupts Walz’s watch party

He was at a debate watch party in Mesa, Arizona.

A protester holding a Palestinian flag interrupted Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s remarks at a debate watch party in Mesa, Arizona.

The person was heard yelling on a livestream that the crowd was “complicit” in the mounting death toll of Palestinians amid the war with Israel. The crowd eventually drowned out the protester with shouts of “USA!”

Walz, after security removed the protester, painted the Democratic ticket as the “underdogs” in the presidential race, in his remarks just moments before Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump took the debate stage in Philadelphia.

“But we’re seeing huge crowds,” Walz added, referring to a frequent dig at Trump. He argued Harris in the debate would lay out her plans for an “opportunity economy” for all Americans, while Trump would only talk about himself.

Earlier in the day, Walz stopped at a cafe to meet with Arizona State University students as the campaign tries to drive turnout among young voters in the battleground state.

convicted felon is off the rails already.

NYT
>On that handshake moment at the beginning, one of Harris's senior advisers said that she decided earlier today to shake Trump’s hand, even if he walked over to his own lectern first. It is the first handshake at a presidential debate since 2016.

NYT:
>“Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression.”

>— Vice President Kamala Harris
>False.

>Unemployment spiked to its worst levels since the Great Depression in the pandemic recession of 2020, but it was 6.4 percent the month Trump left office. That’s nowhere near the worst rate since the Depression.

>>1340617
All Harris has to do is call out what the tariffs are, a sales tax. China ain't paying for them.

>The moderator Linsey Davis just now refuted Trump’s false claim that some states allow for the killing of a baby after it is born. That is the first clear fact-check of a candidate’s onstage comments that we have seen in either of this year’s presidential debates.

>Trump repeated the falsehood that Democrats wanted Roe v. Wade to end. It’s basically handing Harris a line on an issue she’s been a forceful voice on.

>In private, Trump has made clear to advisers that he believes the abortion issue alone could cost him the election. More than any other issue, he has been anxious and indecisive about how to position himself on abortion. He has tried to rebrand himself as a moderate and to avoid getting pinned down on how many weeks he believes a ban should be enforced.

Harris completely ignored the question about why they kept trumps tariffs.

She really tore into him on the abortion issue. Good.

>>1340628
He diverted to student loans anyway

>>1340624
>Harris says since the great depression, which means after it.
>NYT lies in their fact check to claim Harris was directly comparing the Trump Virus recession to the Great Depression
Holy fuck, it's crazy how far right wing the NYTs has become.

NYT:
>Trump is stumbling on a question about whether he would veto a national abortion ban, saying only that it won’t pass Congress. He is clearly angry. And that is not what his advisers wanted to see.

Politico:
>It's about 20 minutes in, and Donald Trump hasn’t actually said Kamala Harris’ name yet. Harris, on the other hand, has said his full name several times in her responses.

>It’s notable given that Trump and his campaign have repeatedly called Harris by her first name, a tactic that Democrats have criticized as a way to demean her and to strip her of her credentials.

NYT:
>After a halting start, the debate has taken a sharp turn toward the combative. Trump has stumbled on abortion, trying to castigate Ralph Northam, the former governor of Virginia, but repeatedly referring to “the governor of West Virginia.” He has begun the name-calling, labeling Harris a Marxist. And he said Democrats favor the “execution” of babies after birth, earning a correction from one of the moderators, Linsey Davis. That gave Harris a chance to issue a scripted line, telling the audience: “I said you’re going to hear a bunch of lies.”

>>1340626
An actual fact check? No wonder Trump hates ABC.

>Trumps says he hasn't read Project 2025
>Then says it has 'Some good, some bad' ideas
Did he just contradict himself Phoenix Wright style and the media ignored it?

"They're gonna be executing babies fresh out of the womb!"
God he's a fucking idiot.

NYT:
>Immigrants are “taking over the towns. They’re taking over buildings. They’re going in violently.”

>— Former President Donald J. Trump

>False. The claim is factually incorrect. The former president was referring to towns in Ohio and Colorado that have seen large influxes of immigrants, most of whom came into the United States legally, often with work permits. There have been examples of crime in those cities, but the vast majority of the immigrants have been working and paying taxes. In Springfield, Ohio, for example, thousands of Haitian immigrants have helped fill jobs as the city recovered from steep economic decline, but their presence has divided the town politically. A traffic accident caused by a Haitian immigrant has roiled the city, but there has not been widespread violence, and many in the city support the Haitian migrants as an important part of the economy.

EATING THE PETS

LOL she baited him with rally sizes.

She's literally not answering any questions

KACKLING INTENSIFIES

>I'm not unpopular! She just has paid actors, that's why her crowds are bigger
>ThEy'Re EaTiNg ThE dOgS!

FACT CHECKED AGAIN
LOL

NYT:
>Trump just started talking about an online conspiracy theory about Haitian immigrants eating dogs in Springfield, Ohio, which gets a laugh out of the vice president. Her mic is off, but she laughed and shook her head and appeared to mouth, “What?”

>I fired them! They did bad things
You appointed them in the first place numbnuts.

They're coming into our country and eating millions and millions and millions and millions of pets... i saw it on television

lol what a moron

Politico:
>Harris, Trump try to relitigate the pandemic

>Harris went after Trump, who defended his record.

>The Covid-19 pandemic resurfaced in the debate just as many voters are trying to move on from the issue.

>Donald Trump and Kamala Harris tried to relitigate the Covid-19 pandemic, with Harris going after Trump, who defended his record.

>Harris accused Trump of leaving the Biden administration "the worst public health epidemic in a century.” Trump claimed the U.S. made ventilators for "the entire world."

>The nation struggled to meet the demand for ventilators at the outset of the pandemic, and polling has generally shown Trump’s handling of the pandemic was less popular than President Joe Biden’s, though Biden’s declined as the pandemic went on.

>Harris also hit Trump for thanking Chinese leader Xi Jinping for Covid despite China not being transparent about Covid's origins.

>>1340643
This nigga trump should probably fire his poltard speech writers

NYT:
>When it was Harris’s turn to respond to the unverified claims with the mic on, she laughed and said, “Talk about extreme!” She has spent much of her time running for president trying to diminish Trump and cut him down to size. Laughing directly at his claims onstage is an extension of that strategy.

NYT:
>“Every legal scholar — every Democrat, every Republican, liberal, conservative — they all wanted” abortion policy “to be brought back to the states.”

>— Former President Donald J. Trump
False.

>Some conservative legal scholars asked the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade, the 1973 decision that identified a right to abortion in the Constitution. They said state legislators, not unelected justices, should set abortion policy. But many legal scholars also filed briefs urging the court not to do so, arguing that the original decision had been on solid legal ground and that overturning federal protection for abortion would disastrously reverse five decades of precedent.

>A half hour through the debate, we have now had the first moment where Harris intentionally tried to get under Trump’s skin — and it worked. Going after the former president’s ego, Harris said people leave his rallies exhausted and bored. He had to respond, saying no one goes to her rallies. Then he angrily fell back to his immigration issues, bringing up baseless rumors of Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, eating pet dogs and cats. Again, a moderator, David Muir, interjected, saying the town’s city manager had told ABC News there was no credible allegation that any pets had been killed.

I came here because it's usually more comfy but seems pretty dead kek

NYT:
>Trump has been prepared for Harris's line of attack about Republicans who have endorsed her, and people who used to work for him criticizing him as unfit. Trump tried to turn it around and say that the Biden administration didn’t fire enough people.

NYT:
>I haven’t seen Trump this angry in a debate since his first debate in 2020 with Joe Biden. Trump is visibly infuriated at the ABC fact-checking.

Politico:
>Donald Trump appeared to distance himself from his running mate JD Vance when asked about his stance on abortion, since Vance said that Trump would not veto a national abortion ban. Trump appeared to say he had a different stance than Vance.

>"I didn't discuss it with JD, in all fairness," Trump said. "JD — and I don't mind if he has a certain view — but I think he was speaking for me."

NYT:
>Now Harris brings up Trump’s criminal convictions. In Trump's debate-prep sessions at his private clubs, Matt Gaetz embraced the role of trying to get under Trump’s skin, including by bringing up his multiple felonies.

>Harris, a former prosecutor, is reminding viewers that Trump is a convicted felon and talks about his coming court date. Striking a contrast between the two of them has become the backbone of her campaign appearances, and she brought this tactic to the debate stage.

NYT:
>Trump tries to turn around the argument about the convictions by saying baselessly that these cases were started by the Biden administration. Two of the cases are state cases, but this is an argument that resonates deeply with Trump supporters.

>Trump: “I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things” that have been said by Democrats about him.

>When he speaks, Trump leans over the microphone, often wagging his finger to punctuate a point. As he rebutted Harris’s attack over his criminal prosecutions, he said, inaccurately, that every one of his cases was started by “them,” pointing directly at Harris.

>>1340650
I didn't even know the debate was happening tonight until a couple hours ago. Idk, maybe it wasn't publicized as much

NPR:
In a statement that drew a fact check from the moderator, Trump falsely claimed that a former West Virginia governor had called for “executing” babies after birth. Trump apparently intended to refer — also inaccurately — to a statement by former Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam, who is also a pediatric neurologist.

Northam faced controversy in 2019 over his response to a question about how to care for an infant born with fatal complications.

Trump later repeated the false claim that abortions take place “after birth.”

As ABC News anchor Linsey Davis mentioned during her real-time fact check, there is no state where it is legal to kill a baby after birth. A report from KFF earlier this year also noted that abortions “after birth” are illegal in every state.

According to the Pew Research Center, the overwhelming majority of abortions — 93% — take place during the first trimester. Pew says 1% take place after 21 weeks. Most of those take place before 24 weeks, the approximate timeline for fetal viability, according to a report by KFF Health News.

An analysis from KFF earlier this year noted that later abortions are expensive to obtain and offered by relatively few providers, and often occur because of medical complications or because patients face barriers earlier in their pregnancies.

“Nowhere in America is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. That isn’t happening; it’s insulting to the women of America,” Harris said.

Harris also invoked religion in her response, arguing that “one does not have to abandon their faith” to agree that the government should not control reproductive health decisions.

As Davis also noted, Trump has offered mixed messages about abortion over the course of the campaign. He has bragged about his instrumental role in overturning Roe v. Wade, while appearing to backpedal on an issue that polling makes clear is a liability for Republicans.

>>1340650
4chanX is bugged out, makes it harder for actual users.

NYT:
>If you are just joining the debate, for the past 20 minutes, it has gotten extremely personal. Harris intentionally picked the fight, bringing up the indictments pending against Trump and his felony convictions in New York. Trump fired back, baselessly accusing Harris and the Biden administration of “weaponizing” government to prosecute their political opponent.

>Harris gets a question on why many of her policy positions have changed, including her previous view that fracking should be banned. She says that “we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy” to reduce reliance on foreign oil and that she backed away from calls for a fracking ban in 2020.

>Linsey Davis confronted Harris on her policy reversals during a Democratic primary debate in 2019, which became one of the low points of Harris’s unsuccessful bid for president that year. Harris seems better prepared tonight to respond to a similar query that Davis posed: “I know you say that your values have not changed, so why have so many of your policies changed?”

>One of the interesting themes of this debate so far is how Harris has been on the offensive for most of it, and how Trump’s angry rebuttals are laced with misinformation, mixed-up facts and kernels of conspiracy theories.

>“I’m talking now,” Trump said to Harris, asking, “Sound familiar?” He has been talking privately about not letting Harris have a moment as she did with Mike Pence in 2020, when she stopped him after he cut her off.

Transgender operations on immigrants in prison translates to not supporting fracking. This fucking guy

Politico:
>The moderators just did a better job highlighting Harris' history flip-flopping on issues than Trump has so far.

Politico:
>We're seeing that both candidates' go-to line of attack is accusing each other of lying.

>At the jump, Kamala Harris said she expected “a bunch of lies” from the former president. Donald Trump retorted that Harris had falsely accused him of pledging to sign a national abortion ban.

>He also claimed she was lying about his stance on IVF, saying he was a “leader on IVF.”

>>1340664
The wonders of having actual adults in the room

>>1340661
>One of the interesting themes of this debate so far is how Harris has been on the offensive for most of it, and how Trump’s angry rebuttals are laced with misinformation, mixed-up facts and kernels of conspiracy theories.
How is this interesting? Offense is the best defense and it doesn't allow Trump to set his usual tempo.

/pol/ thread is unreadable right now with the flood of off topic MAGA spam
If I didn't know any better I'd say they were getting nervous

I find funny how moderators have more freedom to interrupt and confront the candidates, Trump is hating it lmao

Politico:
>At least one Republican is already conceding the night isn't going so well for their party. One Republican lobbyist just texted me: “Harris is setting the agenda in a way Biden failed to do and reaping the benefits.”

>>1340669
It's a shame the democrats didn't coup in someone capable of debating on her own.

NYT:
>Muir tried twice to get Trump to answer about his own actions that day. He deflected.
>Trump shook his head slightly as David Muir asked him about Jan. 6. He raised his voice in responding to Muir, claiming he had told his supporters to act “peacefully and patriotically.” Then, he began practically yelling, attributing blame for Jan. 6 to former Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of Washington, D.C.

>>1340668
This is why /news/ is superior, 90% of /pol/ppet tactics can't be used here because of how /news/ is designed.

>>1340667
yeah this. the mistake Hillary made in 2016 was thinking she could just laugh and be like "can you believe this guy?" as he absolutely nailed her on her hypocrisies. anyone who wishes to beat trump has to be willing to go ahead and actively fight against him verbally while remaining calm and collected.

NYT:
>After Harris accused Trump of getting $400 million from his father, Trump says that he was given a “fraction of that” and turned it into a multibillion-dollar empire. But a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

Mr President how do you feel about anime?

The biggest mistake Democrats made is not label Trump a sore loser. He'd never be able to shake that label and whenever he'd cry about being cheater, you could just handwave his conspiracy theories as 'he's a sore loser'

NYT:
>It is striking to hear Harris talk about the deadly rally in Charlottesville compared with how President Biden used to talk about that episode. Biden talked about Charlottesville as a moment that drew him into the race. Harris used a mention of the rally as a springboard to tell Americans reluctant to vote for her that there is a place for them within her campaign.

trump is floundering so bad this is hilarious

This man has the thinnest skin imaginable.

>>1340639
This was always going to be a boxing match or reality show, rather than a debate. Such is life with our current media.

NYT:
>The main contrast between the two candidates right now seems to be that Trump is focused on (and angry about) the past and Harris is focused on Trump.

>Trump, who has been frustrated that Biden dropped out of the race, has repeatedly sprinkled in digs at him during the debate. He just suggested that Harris would need to wake Biden up and get him out of bed at 4 p.m. to sign hypothetical border legislation.

>>1340683
Biden doing the right thing and fucking off has mind broken Trump.

>>1340682
luckily, trump has a lot of experience with reality tv.
though i'm not sure this was the type of spotlight he wanted to be under.

quick /news/ who are the leaders that laughed at Trump? first guess: Milei

>>1340678
She just said he was a loser and too stupid to recognize that he lost.

NYT:
>What’s happening right now is what the Trump team wanted to avoid. Trump, yelling into the microphone, is trying to relitigate the results of the 2020 election.

>The debate is nearing the end of its first hour, and a pattern is clear. The moderators have brought up tough subjects for the former president, such as the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol. He has tried to segue back to immigration and the border. Harris has tried to latch onto the question, then exhort viewers to “turn the page” and get beyond the “chaos.” But no question, Trump has held the microphone more, in large part because he has been on the defensive.

>Shilling from Viktor Orbon
This isn't the flex he thinks it is

prime minster of hungry

>>1340687
You have to use the term 'sore loser' specifically.
Harris could have gotten a glorious double dig by pointing out Trump claimed Ted Cruz stole the 2016 Iowa Caucus and point out how anyone thinks a shlub like Ted Cruz would be capable of that.

>>1340686
trump went on a rant at a UN general assembly once and almost the entire auditorium laughed at him. it was those respectable, quiet laughs filled with derision when a crazy person says something dumb rather than outbursts and guffawing, but they were laughs nonetheless.

Politico:
>So how’s the muted mics thing going? Kamala Harris has attempted to speak with a muted mic a few times so far, hoping to fact check Trump during his turn.

>(Reminder, it was Harris' team that wanted the mics to remain unmuted throughout the debate.)

>One exchange: Trump said that Harris shifted about 12 to 14 of her policies, to which she commented, “That’s not true."

>The former president then paused to address her interruption.

>“I'm talking now,” he said, mimicking a viral video of Harris in the 2020 vice presidential debate. “Does that sound familiar?”

>>1340685
He was never a contestant, though - only the judge.

NYT:
>This debate has become very much about Trump’s style and personality — anger being a big part of that — because of Trump and the way he is responding to Harris and the moderators. Not so much about their plans, but about who they are.

>“The Trump administration resulted in a trade deficit — one of the highest we’ve ever seen in the history of America.”

>— Vice President Kamala Harris
>This is misleading.

>In 2020, at the end of Donald J. Trump’s tenure in office, the trade deficit — the difference between how much the United States imports and how much it exports — was about $650 billion. That was lower than four years of the George W. Bush administration, and the first three years of the Biden-Harris administration.

>“She went out in Minnesota and wanted to let criminals that killed people, that burned down Minneapolis.”

>— Former President Donald J. Trump
This is misleading.

>After the murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis and the protests that ensued, Vice President Kamala Harris said on social media in June 2020 asking supporters “to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota” by donating to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, a bail fund.

>The fund used some of those money to bail out people who committed serious crimes. But Ms. Harris did not specifically call to release murderers from behind bars.

>>1340693
This is what the Republican media is going to latch onto to claim Trump won.

damn Trump sold me on Harris

NYT:
>It seems remarkable that the foreign leader Trump cites as one of his greatest supporters is Viktor Orban of Hungary, an authoritarian who has suppressed free speech and all dissent, and openly admired Putin’s Russia. He names none of America’s closest allies, who fear that Trump will undercut — or withdraw from — NATO.

>>1340693
>“I'm talking now,” he said, mimicking a viral video of Harris in the 2020 vice presidential debate. “Does that sound familiar?”
imagine holding a four-year grudge over one sentence that wasn't even spoken to you

"It wouldn't have happened if I was there!"
Sure pal, but the question was what would you do about it now.

Politico:
Just over 45 minutes in, a sampling of mixed reactions from three Republican operatives in three Sun Belt battleground states:

"I don't think anyone is gaining any ground TBH."

"He's mostly keeping himself in check. Mostly. Trump pressed the economic case — his strongest issue — forcefully."

"He's yelling 47 minutes in."

WTF WHY COMMERCIAL BREAKS?

they just stand there during break?

>>1340701
>"I don't think anyone is gaining any ground TBH."
>"He's mostly keeping himself in check. Mostly. Trump pressed the economic case — his strongest issue — forcefully."
Copium
>"He's yelling 47 minutes in."
This guy gets it

Who is posting all this shit all the sudden

>>1340703
This is the part where they go to the corners and get a pep talk from their coaches while someone squirts a bottle into their mouths.

The media is going to spin this as a draw and claim Harris didn't explain any of her positions or flip flop on her.

>>1340700
>Dubs
He's going to fix it, of course. Some how....

>>1340703
It's part of the rules, they're not allowed to consult with their staffers during the breaks.
Yes, American debates are fucking stupid designed for sound bites and low information shit.

NYT:
>Moving into the final half hour, the debate has moved into foreign policy, but that has not meant it has become more substantive.
>Asked specifically how she would end the war in Gaza, Harris could only offer that she “would work around the clock.” She hit out at Trump in the most personal terms, saying world leaders laughed at him and military leaders called him a disgrace. Trump also did not offer a solution in Gaza. He simply repeated his phrase that the war would never have happened had he been president, nor would Russia have invaded Ukraine. Trump leaned on Hungary’s autocratic leader, Viktor Orban, to back him up. Harris pressed her case, calling him a “disgrace.”

>“Putin endorsed her last week,’’ Trump said. Putin did say he supported Harris because Biden said the world should — a classic piece of trolling. Trump cast it as a serious statement; no one else did, especially given Russia’s disinformation campaign on Trump’s behalf.

kek dude really is like "I will tell them that's enough!"

Politico:
>Donald Trump refused multiple opportunities to acknowledge any “regrets” for his actions on Jan. 6, 2021, when he encouraged a crowd of supporters to march on the Capitol and then remained silent for hours when thousands of them stormed Congress, many assaulting police. And he continued to falsely claim he won the 2020 election — prompting Kamala Harris to wonder whether he is easily “confused” about how to tell fact from fiction.

>We're at the first commercial break. Harris is winning the spending wars so far.

>Vice President Kamala Harris enters the debate with a hefty spending advantage on the airwaves over former President Donald Trump.

>From July 22 — the day after President Joe Biden dropped out of the race — through Tuesday, Democrats have placed more than $430 million on television, radio and digital advertisements, according to ad tracker AdImpact. Republicans, meanwhile, have spent more than $317 million.

>Harris’ campaign is the top spender, $179 million, as she’s played catch-up to introduce herself to voters. She’s followed by MAGA Inc., the pro-Trump super PAC, which placed $119 million. Trump’s campaign has spent $90 million.

>Pennsylvania, where tonight’s debate is being held, is unsurprisingly the state with the most ad spending: Democrats have spent $58 million to Republicans’ $55 million. Pennsylvania, which Biden narrowly clinched in 2020, is the largest of the battleground states and seen as a must-win for Harris. But unlike Biden, Harris doesn’t benefit from the deep ties to the state that “Scranton Joe” has.

>Even beyond Pennsylvania, tonight’s debate is Harris’ biggest opportunity to date to define herself for voters who may not know much about her — and to counter the narratives that Trump and his allies have been blanketing the airwaves with.

"Zelensky and Putin both love me! I'll just call them both and then they'll sing Kumbaya and stop dropping bombs on eachother!"
Who does he think he is, Mr. Beast?

Are leftists actually here
I thought that was all ironic shitposting

>In addition to attacking her over the economy, Trump and his allies have leaned heavily into immigration, featuring family members of those killed by undocumented immigrants expressing their support for the former president and placing blame on Harris.

>Harris has looked to contrast herself with Trump, saying her campaign is “focused on the future” while his is “focused on the past.” She’s touted her support for the working class, pointing to her growing up in a “middle class home” and her work to lower drug costs, while accusing Trump of “fight[ing] for billionaires and large corporations.” Harris has also gone after Trump over abortion and tied him to Project 2025 — which he has sought to distance himself from.

>>1340716
Silly /pol/ppet, Reality has a liberal bias.

Trump is such a dogshit candidate. Boomers insisted on wheeling out this fucking bumbling retard loser again for probably the most consequential election of our lifetimes.

NYT:
>Asked if he wants Ukraine to win the war against Russia, Trump says only, “I want the war to stop.”

>Somehow Trump seems to believe that Biden and Harris supported the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. In fact, they worked for months to persuade Germany to agree to kill the project if Russia invaded Ukraine — which is exactly what happened.

Politico:
>During the commercial break, Kamala Harris turned her notes over and was the first the exit the stage. Donald Trump followed her and they did not speak, according to reporters in the room.

>>1340709
they're charisma checks for the candidates, nothing more
see: reagan

>"He has nukes, so we should just role over and let him do whatever he wants"

Trump is now back on territory his advisers want to hit Harris and Biden on — the wars around the world unfolding during their administration. Trump can correctly point out that Putin did not seize additional territory during his presidency. He did under Obama in 2014, and then Biden in 2022.
Jess Bidgood
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:14 p.m. ETJust now

Jess BidgoodReporting on the 2024 presidential race

Trump, who is trying to steady himself after spending much of the debate’s first hour on defense, returned to territory where he’s been successful in the past: attacking President Biden. Harris had a quick retort. “You’re not running against Joe Biden,” she said. “You’re running against me.”
Alan Feuer
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:13 p.m. ET1 minute ago

Alan Feuer
All of Trump’s legal challenges to the outcome of the 2020 election were dismissed on “technicalities” or the basis of “standing.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump
This is false.

While some of the challenges to the last election were rejected on the basis of standing — that is, on the issue of whether the plaintiffs had the legal right to question the results and assert they had been harmed — there were some cases that were decided on the merits of whether there were improprieties in the race. And none of those cases were decided in Mr. Trump’s favor. One of the merits cases was decided in Wisconsin by Brett H. Ludwig, a federal judge appointed by Mr. Trump. “This court has allowed the plaintiff the chance to make his case,” Judge Ludwig wrote in his ruling, “and he has lost on the merits.”

>>1340716
this is a liberal board moron, why do you think it’s constantly raided by conservatives?

NYT:
>Trump has not said anything tonight that would surprise most people who’ve watched him for the last eight years, with the exception of refusing to rule out signing a national abortion ban, which will almost certainly end up in ads. But he has demonstrated again that it is very, very difficult for him to be disciplined for any sustained period of time.

>>1340716
I have been posting on 4chan since 2004, I don't think I've grown particularly more left but damn have things moved rightward in the world

NYT:
>Harris says if Trump was president, “he would just give it up” on the world stage. She goes on to describe meeting President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine at the Munich Security Conference in the days before the war broke out — though she does not mention that it was a tense and difficult meeting. “If Donald Trump were president, Putin would be in Kyiv now,’’ and would move on to Poland next. This is one of the starkest differences in American foreign policy in a presidential debate since Nixon and Kennedy.

>Harris responded to Trump's attacks on Biden by noting that Trump is running against her. But she is not defending Biden, for the most part, against Trump's attacks, and she is also not trying to explicitly distance herself from Biden. It's a clear strategic decision on how to deal with the unpopular president.

>Conservatives are not happy with all the Trump fact checking happening on stage

>Backlash online toward the ABC moderators was swift.


>Donald Trump's allies and conservatives are slamming ABC moderators, who have fact-checked Trump several times. A smattering of reaction online so far:

>"ABC's moderators are a disgrace to their profession," conservative podcaster Ben Shapiro posted on X.

>"This is the new record for worst debate moderation. It is disgusting in the extreme," conservative columnist Mollie Hemingway posted.

>"Omg MORE FACT CHECKING FROM ABC - THIS IS THE WORST ANCHOR PILE-ON I HAVE EVER SEEN. 3 against 1," wrote conservative podcaster Megyn Kelly.

These ABC moderators have not been shy about fact-checking Trump’s baseless claims. And Trump’s allies, watching at home, have not been shy about criticizing the ABC moderators for what they perceive as a bias against their candidate. On social media, Trump’s son Donald Jr. used the word “hack” to refer to the moderators. To be clear, Trump’s campaign agreed to the terms of this debate, including the choice of moderators.
Jess Bidgood
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:18 p.m. ETJust now

Jess BidgoodReporting on the 2024 presidential race

When Trump speaks, Harris often directs her gaze toward him. When she speaks, Trump typically stares straight ahead. He shrugs and shakes his head. But he is generally not watching her while she speaks.
David E. Sanger
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:18 p.m. ETJust now

David E. SangerReporting on foreign policy

“Everything they said was weak and stupid,’’ Trump says, insisting that Harris was sent in to talk to Putin. She never was. That task was given to William Burns, the C.I.A. chief — and he was there to warn Putin, not to negotiate with him.
Katie Rogers
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:18 p.m. ETJust now

Katie RogersReporting on the 2024 presidential race
Harris has spent a lot of her time as vice president building out a portfolio that has included extensive work on foreign policy, which, of course, has been one of Biden’s focuses as president.

this.... scoundrel!!!

Politico:
Fact check: Trump's debate claim about U.S. energy production and gas prices is pretty much the opposite of what's going on

Donald Trump is painting a picture of U.S. energy production that’s pretty much the opposite of what’s going on, saying the Biden administration has killed oil production and caused high gasoline prices. Actually, the United States is already producing more oil than any other country in the history of the world. Still, Trump tonight repeated his recent claims that there would be four or five times more crude oil gushing if he were in the White House instead of Joe Biden.

Oil market analysts have rolled their eyes at that statement. The amount of oil he’s talking about – 50 million barrels a day or more – would be almost impossible to produce and would crash oil prices globally if the U.S. even got close.

Gasoline prices did go up under the Biden administration, but that came amid a Covid-era supply shock and the Russian invasion of Ukraine – two events that scrambled the global energy market and that no White House occupant would have much control over. The price of a regular gallon of gas now is under $3 in many states and heading lower.

Trump also repeated the fact that Biden killed the Keystone XL oil pipeline – which is true – but then pivoted to saying Biden also “approved” the Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which carried natural gas from Russia to Germany.

The story’s a little more convoluted than that. Trump put sanctions on companies working on the Russian pipeline, a move pushed by Ted Cruz – the Republican senator representing the big natural gas state of Texas. Trump’s move miffed Germany, which had wanted the gas. Germany then pushed Biden to remove the sanctions, which he did, and the gas started flowing. Then Russia invaded Germany, someone bombed Nord Stream 2, and the U.S. started shipping massive amounts of liquefied natural gas to Europe to replace that gas.

>>1340662
Yup, called it. All the media is running this as their top story.

NYT:
>Muir turns to Afghanistan, Biden and Harris’s worst moment in national security. Harris said she agreed with Biden’s decision to pull out of Afghanistan, and argued that “as of today, there is not one member of the American military” in active combat today. She avoided discussion of how the withdrawal was executed. But she comes back by recalling Trump’s direct negotiations with the Taliban and his desire to invite them — a terrorist group — to Camp David. “He does not again appreciate the role and the responsibility of the president of the United States.”

>Harris is reminding people that Trump invited the Taliban to Camp David shortly before the anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. She’s making this point on the eve of yet another anniversary of that day.
>With only 15 minutes left, the debate has stayed on foreign policy, going into depth on the war in Ukraine, then segueing into Afghanistan. Harris hit Trump hard and framed him as a toady to Vladimir Putin, who “would be sitting in Kyiv right now” had Trump been president. But this is an area where Trump has some strength, playing on the war-weariness of the country. Still, Trump refused to say he wanted Ukraine to win.

>Harris turns to a central difference in national security: whether the United States fights for democracy, or backs authoritarians. Trump has done nothing tonight to talk about American values or principals. Only deal making.

He is such a racist scumbag.

>>1340739
This is the Politico headline:
>Trump takes the bait

>Kamala Harris got a rise out of Donald Trump when she called out the size of his campaign rally crowds. It went off the rails from there.

the shit eating grin she had lmao, he fucked up there

NPR:
>In a presidential debate, the split screen shot of the candidates – with one candidate speaking and the other reacting non-verbally — can easily become the story of the debate. These shots can also easily be made into internet memes.

>In this debate, while former president Trump delivers voluble answers often looking and sounding angry, Vice President Harris’ face is doing a lot of work. At times her expression is pained, others she leans her head back and takes a breath looking to the sky in a motion that is just one step shy of an eye roll. At other moments, she gets a look that says "bless your heart" without actually saying it.

>As NPR’s Deepa Shivaram wrote, for Harris, facial expressions were an important part of her past debate performances.

>For his part Trump can be seen shaking his head, pursing his lips and furrowing his brow when Harris speaks.

Maya King
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:24 p.m. ETJust now

Maya KingReporting from Durham, N.C.

Harris, who is Black and Indian, has not spoken at length about her heritage and background since becoming the Democratic presidential nominee, even as the former president has called her Blackness into question.
Alan Rappeport
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:24 p.m. ETJust now

Alan RappeportReporting on economic policy

As the conversation shifted to race and politics, Trump was asked why he had questioned Harris's racial identity. “I don’t care what she is,” Trump says, adding that he had read that she was not Black. Harris calls it a “tragedy” that Trump tries to use race to divide Americans.
Michael Crowley
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:24 p.m. ETJust now

Michael Crowley
“She wouldn’t even meet with Netanyahu when he went to Congress to make a very important speech. She refused to be there because she was at a sorority party of hers.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump
This is misleading.

It is true that when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel addressed Congress on July 19, Vice President Kamala Harris did not attend the speech. On that day she delivered a long-planned speech in Indiana to the national conference for Zeta Phi Beta, one of the country’s historically Black sororities. But Harris returned to Washington the next day for a meeting with Netanyahu.

Maya King
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:25 p.m. ETJust now

Maya KingReporting from Durham, N.C.

Harris’s response to a question about race in America was a bit halting. But on the topic of the Central Park Five, a group of Black and Latino men for whom Trump called for the death penalty, she found more solid footing, returning to the general themes of her campaign message.
Benjamin Protess
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:25 p.m. ETJust now

Benjamin Protess
I “have built it into many, many billions of dollars; many, many billions.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump
This is exaggerated.

Trump habitually exaggerates his wealth, so much so that the New York attorney general’s office sued him for fraudulently inflating his net worth, a case that led to a more than $450 million judgment against him.

In reality, he has about $400 million in cash, stocks and bonds, though if the New York case is upheld on appeal, it will essentially wipe out his liquid assets.

Much of his purported net worth is tied up in the real estate he owns. So when Trump says he is worth many billions, he appears to be referring to the value of that property. But property values fluctuate, and there is no reliable assessment of his assets. He also has a roughly $2 billion stake in his social media company, though he can’t yet access those shares and their value has plummeted in recent months.

>>1340740
i hope she made a point to mention he released some 5000 taliban prisoners as a gesture of goodwill to their leadership, who then happily welcomed the fighters back and used them in their blitzkrieg push to take control of the country only a short while later

“A lot of these illegal immigrants coming in —” Democrats are “trying to get them to vote.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump
This lacks evidence.

In recent months, Trump and other Republicans have frequently made the false claim that there’s a major crisis of noncitizens illegally voting in federal elections. They often claim, with no evidence, that Democrats are trying to get undocumented immigrants to vote in order to cheat their way to electoral victory.

In fact, people who are not U.S. citizens already face fines or imprisonment for voting in federal elections under a 1996 law. And experts point to data indicating that cases of noncitizens voting are rare and nowhere near the threshold to sway an election. Instance of undocumented people doing so are even rarer. Registrants to vote have to swear under penalty of perjury that they are citizens, and some states check for citizenship against federal databases.

Organizations including the left-leaning Brennan Center, the conservative Heritage Foundation and the libertarian Cato Institute that have examined the legal system, registration records or election offices for cases of citizenship fraud have found very few examples.

Alan Rappeport
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:26 p.m. ETJust now

Alan RappeportReporting on economic policy
Trump, off balance on the race discussion, pivoted to inflation and said that Harris and Biden had no idea how to run an economy. Harris said, “Clearly I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly not Donald Trump,” and said that she had her own plans.

>>1340747
Or point out he surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban and cut the Afghan government out of any deals.

NYT:
>A Harris official says Yusef Salaam, one of the Central Park Five, will be in the spin room after the debate.

NYT:
Former President Donald J. Trump repeated a false and outlandish claim that Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio, have abducted and eaten their neighbors’ pets.

Mr. Trump made the comments on Tuesday early in his first debate against Vice President Kamala Harris, shortly after Ms. Harris mocked his rallies as so filled with fictions and fringe theories that attendees leave early. Mr. Trump responded by trying to pivot back to the subject under discussion, immigration.

“A lot of towns don’t want to talk about it because they’re so embarrassed by it,” he said. “In Springfield, they’re eating the dogs. The people that came in, they’re eating the cats. They’re eating — they’re eating the pets of the people that live there.”

Mr. Trump and his running mate, Senator JD Vance of Ohio, have amplified the internet rumor on the campaign trail this week. It stems from viral social media posts that have spread as Mr. Vance and others have sought to stir fears about the growing Haitian population in Springfield, though members of the community are living and working in the United States legally.

Local officials have found no evidence, credible reports or specific claims of pets being harmed by Haitian residents.

When David Muir, a debate moderator, noted the lack of evidence, Mr. Trump said he had gotten his information from “the people on television saying my dog was taken and used for food.”

Ms. Harris laughed. Mr. Trump’s “extreme” statements, she said, are one of the reasons she has the endorsements of 200 Republicans.

>>1340750
She did bring up him cutting the Afgahn government out of the deal.
I would have stayed off of the subject of Afghanistan if I were him since it was him who initiated that shitshow withdraw.

>"I have concepts of a plan! I'm not President right now."
My guy, you're supposed to figure this shit out before you get the job.

Mr. Vance first made the claim about Haitian immigrants on Monday, saying “it’s coming to your city next.” A news release from the Trump campaign later recounted the falsehoods. Mr. Vance then appeared to backtrack on Tuesday morning in a social post, saying his office had “received many inquiries” about the false claims. But he added that “it’s possible, of course, that all of these rumors will turn out to be false.”

That has not stopped the social media platforms from being awash with memes and AI-generated images of cats in support of Mr. Trump.

Job opportunities in Springfield, a city of roughly 58,000 people between Columbus and Dayton, have attracted thousands of Haitians since the pandemic began, with city officials estimating that as many as 20,000 have arrived. By some accounts, the immigrant community has helped revitalize the town, though it has put pressure on housing, schools and hospitals.

As a thirdie, I can't believe how bad health care is in USA, we often complain how bad we have it, and then you see americans getting a life long debt because they broke a finger

NYT:
>The first, and probably the only, presidential debate of this fall neared its end on friendly turf for Harris, race and division in the United States. She used it to bring up Trump’s racist past, his early legal troubles for refusing to rent to Black tenants and his push for the death penalty for the later-exonerated “Central Park Five.” Her message: “I think the American people want better than that, want better than this.” Trump, again on his heels, tried again to steer the conversation back to the economy and make a point he has wanted to make all night: “She is Biden,” he said. It’s been a tough night for the former president.

>Trump is now attacking the Affordable Care Act, which has become popular over time. He is dodging whether he still plans to repeal it.

>>1340753
people are short sighted and have short memories, he may have inked the deal but people will just remember biden was the president when it happened.

>>1340752
>A lot of towns don’t want to talk about it because they’re so embarrassed by it
translation: it's a fantasy i made up and cannot give any examples

>>1340756
We have the best healthcare in the world. The problem is that retards don't understand how insurance works, or that you're supposed to be on it from adulthood onwards.
>muh affordable healthcare!
The ACA increased premiums by hundreds of dollars. It also forbade patients from seeking out certain clinics, which helped major hospitals monopolize treatment.

>>1340758
Well he just reminded everyone that was his fault and he negotiated with the Taliban. He's really not as smart as he like to think he is.

>>1340760
>We have the best healthcare in the world.
This is why the healthcare system should be nationalized to cut out the worthless middlemen. You'll see premiums go down when the profit motive is gone.

>>1340758
it was a loss for whoever was going to be in office no matter what they did.
adhere to trump's withdrawal date and get the situation we have now
or
cancel the date and national media would have crucified the president over extending america's forever war and not bringing our boys home or whatever

>>1340760
idk man, being punished for life for not having an insurance is pretty dumb, and is a recurring joke in a lot of american media

Maggie Haberman
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:36 p.m. ETJust now

Maggie HabermanReporting on the 2024 presidential race

For those watching along with us, the debate is running a little longer than it was supposed to. It was set for 90 minutes.
Alan Rappeport
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:36 p.m. ETJust now

Alan RappeportReporting on economic policy

Harris is asked about climate change and lays out how the Biden climate agenda has been a pillar of the administration’s economic strategy. Trump, on the other hand, wants to repeal the Inflation Reduction Act, which has funded much of the clean-energy manufacturing development in the U.S. Many Republicans in states where these projects are being built are concerned about this.
Linda Qiu
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:35 p.m. ET1 minute ago

Linda Qiu
“For years we were paying almost all of NATO. We were being ripped off by European nations, both on trade and on NATO. I got them to pay up.”

— Former President Donald J. Trump
This is misleading.

Trump incorrectly characterizes the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Member countries make direct contributions to the organization, based on national income, and also agree to spend at least 2 percent of their gross domestic product on their own defense.

Trump’s complaints led to NATO reducing the United States’ contribution to the common fund. Previously the United States paid about 22 percent of its central budget, and it dropped to 16 percent. And the number of countries meeting that 2 percent guideline increased to 10 from five in recent years.

Trump can claim some credit for increased spending, but it’s worth noting that countries pledged in 2014 to meet that goal within a decade.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/kamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-debate-september-10-2024
>Trump claims ‘our country has gone to hell’ and Biden-Harris has made enemies ‘rich’

>Trump continued to hit out at Biden-Harris foreign policy, citing the change in policy towards Iran and accusing them of enriching the nation to the detriment of close allies such as Israel.

“Iran has $300 billion because they took off all the sanctions that I had,” Trump said. “Iran had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah or any of the 28 different spheres of terror, and they are spheres of terror, horrible terror.”

>“They had no money … they had no money for terror. They were broke,” he insisted. “Now, they’re a rich nation, and now what they’re doing is they’re spreading the money around. Look at what’s happening with the Houthis and Yemen.”

>When pressed on why he believes the war in Ukraine would end once he took office, Trump touted his good relationship with Russian President Vladimir Putin and that everything has “gone to hell” after he left office.

>“I will get it settled before I even become president,” Trump promised. “If I win, when I'm president elect, what I'll do is I'll speak to one, I'll speak to the other. I'll get them together. That war would have never happened.”

>“In fact, when I saw Putin after I left, unfortunately left because our country has gone to hell, but after I left, when I saw him building up soldiers, he did it after I left, I said, oh, he must be negotiating,” Trump explained.

>“It must be a good, strong point of negotiation,” he added. “Well, it wasn't because Biden had no idea how to talk to him. He had no idea how to stop it. And now you have millions of people dead, and it's only getting worse.”

>>1340766
>28 spheres of terror
what does this mean

Politico:
>At 10:30 p.m. on the dot, Trump's campaign sent its press release declaring victory. "President Trump delivered a masterful debate performance tonight, prosecuting Kamala Harris’ abysmal record of failure that has hurt Americans for the last 4 years."

>The debate was initially scheduled for 90 minutes, but we're now in overtime.

>Kamala Harris hit Donald Trump for "calling for the execution" of the Central Park Five, a group of Black and Latino teens wrongly accused of raping a jogger in 1989.

>Moments later, her campaign announced that New York City Councilmember Yusef Salaam, one of the exonerated members, will be in the spin room following the debate.

I hope both lose and bring Bush back, he knows how to run a country

>>1340770
Bush vs Obama for who gets to have a 3rd term
USA Prize Fight

NYT:
>As the debate moves to closing statements, the former president's last words before the final break were mean to impugn President Biden, accusing him baselessly of taking money from China and the “mayor of Moscow’s wife.” This, he argued, “is a crooked administration.” It was the campaign he ran against Hillary Clinton in 2016. But Harris has had a response that she trotted out often. “Clearly,” she said, “I am not Joe Biden.”

>Trump has struggled to get over the fact that he’s not running against Biden anymore. He views it as “unfair” that Democrats switched him out and he still falls back into old patterns of attacking his former opponent. Just then, he went off on a conspiratorial riff about the Biden family and foreign cash.

>>1340770
>Bring back the war criminal who fucked the economy with trickle down economics and deregulation
LOL, no.

>>1340771
god I would love to have obama wear a tan suit in the oval office again, he really made me feel like the country was heading in the right direction with its drone strikes and corporate handouts

NYT:
>Harris kept saying she’d return to address the flip-flopping questions in a specific way, but other than fracking, she never really did it. Yes, the moderators for the most part didn’t push her — but how come Trump didn’t return to push her on those issues? That is like Debating 101.

>Advisers to both candidates view 2024 as a “change election.” Their internal polls show that undecided voters are frustrated with the country’s leaders. Harris is trying to present herself as a break from the past, as the bright and optimistic future. Trump has been trying to reinforce for voters that she is an incumbent — that she “owns” Biden’s record — and is not an agent of change.

>>1340770
bush's banking deregulation and the ensuing 2007-2008 subprime mortgage crisis and great recession would like a word with you

>>1340772
he wanted to mention hunter biden so bad

Politico:
>Kamala Harris completely got under Donald Trump's skin beginning with the crowd size stuff. He lost his composure. And she doesn't have to move that many votes.

who's usually considered the best president since the 90's?

>In her closing statement, Harris describes her campaign as one focused on the future, and Trump’s as fixated on the past. >Reprising her campaign line, she says, “We’re not going back"
>>Trump responds with a catch-all retort to Harris’s plans, noting that she is now in office: “Why hasn’t she done it?”

>>1340774
Trump would not wear a tan suit, but greatly increase the number of drone strikes and corporate handouts.
Beat that.

>>1340779
Considering the only choices are Bush Sr and Clinton. Clinton wins by default even though he marked the rightward lurch of the Democratic party.

>Trump’s line — “why hasn’t she done it?” — has been what his team was telegraphing for days that he would say. But his aides hoped it would happen before minute 105 in the debate.

Kamala kinda sucked but it doesn't matter.

>>1340779
probably clinton, like honest answer.
last president to drag the government out of debt and run a surplus.
if he was president in today's climate, his infidelity wouldn't make people bat an eye.

The debate is now over, with no handshake.
Alan Rappeport
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:46 p.m. ETJust now

Alan RappeportReporting on economic policy

Trump, declining to end on an optimistic note, concludes by calling Harris “the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
Adam Nagourney
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:46 p.m. ETJust now

Adam NagourneyReporting on the 2024 presidential race

Trump got the final word on the closing statement because of a coin flip, but from my experience, closing statements don’t mean a lot: Viewers are moving on after 100 minutes, or switching channels, and reporters and analysts are deep into writing their stories.
Michael Grynbaum
Sept. 10, 2024, 10:45 p.m. ETJust now

Michael GrynbaumReporting from Philadelphia
It’s been a memorable night for the host network, ABC News. Its moderators, David Muir and Linsey Davis, evinced a more assertive presence than we’ve seen from previous moderators: Neither was shy about fact-checking Trump’s wilder claims, like a falsehood about migrants eating cats in Ohio. Right-wing news outlets and Trump allies have already begun criticizing the network for what they view as unfair treatment. But Trump and his campaign agreed to participate with this network and these moderators, and Trump has sat for interviews with Muir — who is the most-watched news anchor in the country — on several previous occasions.

>>1340780
>>1340783
Sadly this and Trump using Kamala's 'I'm speaking here' will be the only pieces remembered from the debate.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/10/trump-harris-debate-2020-fiction-00178511

Kamala Harris spent Tuesday night’s debate trying to win the 2024 election. Donald Trump was still fighting for 2020.

The former president distanced himself from comments he made in recent days acknowledging that he lost the 2020 race “by a whisker.” At the debate, he claimed he was being “sarcastic” and returned to his well-worn — and false — claim that he won four years ago.

It’s a refrain that generates applause lines at rallies stacked with his fiercest supporters but has in recent years flopped with a national audience and reminded them of the collective horror the nation felt on Jan. 6, 2021.

Trump’s insistence that he was actually the winner in 2020 came amid a longer exchange in which he also defended his handling of the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. Trump refused multiple opportunities from moderator David Muir to acknowledge any “regrets” for his actions on Jan. 6, when he encouraged a crowd of supporters to march on the Capitol and then remained silent for hours when thousands of them stormed Congress, many assaulting police and disrupting the certification of Joe Biden’s victory.

Trump’s comments prompted Harris to deliver one of her sharpest rejoinders of the night: “Perhaps we do not have, in the candidate to my right, the temperament or the ability to not be confused about fact,” Harris said.

Rather than chastise his supporters who bludgeoned police on Jan. 6, Trump instead attacked the Capitol Police officer who fired the shot that killed rioter Ashli Babbitt as she attempted to clamber inside the Speaker’s Lobby near the House chamber, as lawmakers were being evacuated. Trump called that officer “out of control.”

He also falsely accused then-Speaker Nancy Pelosi of rebuffing an offer to secure the Capitol with 10,000 National Guard troops. And he said he had nothing to do with the violence that broke out.

Harris noted that she was at the Capitol on Jan. 6, though didn’t mention that she departed for the Democratic National Committee headquarters before the violence broke out. She went on to compare Trump’s handling of the mob to his comments about the racist and anti-Semitic marchers in Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017. And she noted that Trump delivered a rallying cry to the far right Proud Boys in 2020 — telling the group to “stand back and stand by” — three months before its leaders formed the vanguard of the Jan. 6 mob.

In addition to Trump’s continued effort to mislead about his supporters’ actions on Jan. 6, he also revived false claims about his campaign’s courtroom efforts to overturn the 2020 election results — which uniformly failed across the country.

Trump falsely claimed that judges refused to look at evidence of fraud when they rejected roughly 60 lawsuits filed by him and his allies, suggesting that it remained possible he did win four years ago.

“No judge looked at it. They said we didn’t have standing,” the former president said. In fact, many of the suits were rejected due to flaws in the legal claims or lack of evidence of fraud.

I'm glad Trump was finally forced to deal with moderators that have actual spines in these debates.

>>1340788
>>1340789
>>1340742
Interesting how Politico goes with this angle but still refuses to release the Trump e-mails.

Trump lost. Kamala played him like a fiddle to get under his skin and he fell for it.

>>1340764
Which is how you know it's a lie.

>>1340790
You shouldn't be if you want Kamala to win. It makes Trump look better when the moderators act like assholes.

>>1340790
>>1340794
>I'm bleeding therefore I'm the victor!

>>1340790
Good thing they were there to hold Kamala's hand.

>>1340794
Only to people that already support him.

>>1340796
>>1340794
Is this Russian ordered damage control for Trump? Because he got fact checked it means he won?

>>1340795
>By blocking Kamala from rebutting I'm helping her

"i have the concepts of a plan"
is my personal highlight, i think

>>1340798
>muh russia

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/kamala-harris-donald-trump-presidential-debate-september-10-2024
>The Harris campaign says that it wants a second presidential debate in October, moments after the end of the first debate between former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris.

>"That was fun. let's do it again," Harris advisor Brian Fallon said.

>The Washington Post reported that the campaign had planned to announced its desire for a second debate before the November election.

>Trump has also called for multiple debates between the two so a second matchup between the two seems likely.

>1340801
1 ruble has been deposited into your account

>Taylor Swift officially endorses Harris-Walz ticket after the debate
IT'S OVER.

Trump most have lost because the /pol/ppet is spamming threads again.

>>1340760
>The problem is that retards don't understand how insurance works
The insurance industry is a fucking cancer. Even if you do have coverage they'll fight tooth and nail to find any excuse to avoid paying out for their customers.

Made the mistake of checking Twitter and forgot how much Elon Musk boosts Republican shills now.

>>1340760
insurance "works" by having you pay them hundreds of dollars every month and then when you end up getting sick or in an accident or whatever they still need you to fork over two grand or whatever before they start footing some of the bill. and then they try to say they won't pay for your follow-up care or that your illness actually doesn't require specialized treatment and if you don't fight them on it you'll be SOL. unless you have god tier insurance because you're a boomer who was grandfathered or you're rich this is how it is for most americans who utilize healthcare and insurance

>>1340809
>>1340811
It's dangerous outside your reddit hugbox.

>>1340813
yes xister! xitter is real life!!

>>1340812
Get better insurance, lmao. Family friend just got open heart surgery for effectively free and she's on Obamacare shit.

Yeah, Kamala won. I can't believe I stressed over this.

>>1340812
Claim that you're an undocumented migrant from Guatemala and they'll put you on finaid and pay for all your shit. I know a chick from there that gets all her cancer treatment free.

>>1340716
I have been posting on 4chan since 2004, I don't think I've grown particularly more right but damn have things moved leftward in the world

>>1340813
You should go back then.

https://www.rawstory.com/harris-trump-debate-2669161590/
>He cited Fox hosts as fact-checkers. He invoked Hungarian strongman Viktor Orban as a character witness. it was like a 4chan post come to life.
CNN referenced 4chan again thinking we're all /pol/.

>>1340834
Things didn't move leftward, you got old.

On the chance there's no actual confirmed source of an immigrant eating a duck, there's bound to be something that comes out within the next month. I'm guessing msm wants to convince their zogbots it's just a conspiracy theory and then quickly forget about it before some haiatian in ohio inevitably does something retarded.

>>1340845
From what I gather there was a report of some insane woman who killed and ate her neighbor's cat in public and people are using that to claim it's everywhere.

I want trump to be in so he can destroy the middle class that's mostly composed of the human filth on rddt and twitter.
nothing changes for lower class and if elon gets to trigger more people so be it.

>>1340848
Okay Ivan

Left with little to praise about former President Donald J. Trump’s underwhelming debate performance, Fox News hosts quickly focused their ire on ABC News, accusing the network and its debate moderators of skewing their questions to Vice President Kamala Harris’s advantage.

Martha MacCallum, who co-anchored Fox’s post-debate coverage on Tuesday night, opened by declaring that Ms. Harris had been given a free pass by the ABC moderators and “was really never held to the fire.”

“That falls on ABC,” Ms. MacCallum added, to much agreement from her colleagues around the table. “I think there were moments when it felt like they were helping her out.”

Sean Hannity called ABC News “the biggest loser in the debate.”

And Laura Ingraham insisted that it was ABC’s intent all along to boost the vice president. “ABC’s goal tonight was to help Kamala Harris,” she said. “And ABC did help Kamala Harris.”

Ms. Ingraham also offered a gentle criticism of the former president. “Did Donald Trump miss a few opportunities?” she asked. “Absolutely.”

Only Brit Hume, one of Fox’s longest-serving on-air personalities, went beyond simply acknowledging Mr. Trump’s uneven performance. “Make no mistake about it,” he said. “Trump had a bad night.”

Still, Fox News was not the only network whose anchors were unsubtle about their view of the debate. Over on MSNBC, Rachel Maddow told viewers that her colleagues were so thrilled with Ms. Harris’s performance that they were debating whether she might have had “the best televised presidential debate performance ever.”

>>1340854
>Left with little to praise about former President Donald J. Trump’s underwhelming debate performance, Fox News hosts quickly focused their ire on ABC News
That's all they have left: because now - after this debate - they can't even attack she who represents the left.
I'm reminded of a saying on a Zippo lighter: 'When nothing's going right, try going left'
This lights gas under the right who are now butthurt. /pol/ on suicide watch now that their precious 'Meme Magic' is like their orange fuhrer's chances: dead.

>>1340854
>>1340857
The irony is the moderators spoon fed Trump some attacks like >>1340664 and he didn't take it.

>>1340812
That which was implemented in 1948 by the post-war Labor PM Clement Attlee - praised by the previous Conservative who was PM before then - that which was planned during WWII: The National Health Service and Welfare State. Who was the PM who planned that.
You know who admires that wartime Conservative PM Winston Churchill? Donald Trump. Even had a bust of him near the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office between 2017-2021. Must have liked his policies if he liked that PM. He wouldn't if he didn't.

>>1340853
you deserve the death penalty for being a traitor to humanity. Prepare yourself to be setup as a migrant meat urinal for their public relief

>>1340860
mr. bot why did you respond to my post in this way?

>>1340862
MAGA fan fics are pathetic, no wonder your movies suck.

We're seeing the execution of the Ivans' precious monkey controlled by not only that orange ape's organ grinder in real time - and oh so slowly, thus increasing the pain inflicted on subhuman rightards after that politcal evisceration by Harris: so exquisite is the suffering that not only Don Old Fart has just experienced, even Pinhead in the Hellraiser films would have died of terror.
The schadenfreude we of the left can now enjoy will only increase exponentially until that day on 20th January 2025 when Harris says '...so help me God' and we witness Total MAGAtard Death.
Prepare yourselves for your complete obliteration, rightards in not only /pol/, but /news/: for once she says that, whatever your retarded opinions in /news/, we of the left can simply say 'President Kamala Harris. Your opinions are eternally invalid.'
4th July: Starmergeddon.
7th July: Faily National thrown under political bus after French electorate gave New Popular Front the keys to said bus
Early next month: Certain Americans will want some of that rightard-destroying action: as per Britain celebrating independence from the Conservatives by giving Keir Starmer the electoral weapon to destroy them on 4th July, so - making sure the final domino falls - said Americans will do the same on 5th November: Bonfire Night in Britain.
Some people just want to watch the right wing world burn.

>>1340866
yes borderlands are an amazing blockbuster libshit

>borderlands are an amazing
>are
ESL
Proof that the non-American is a retard.

>>1340879
https://x.com/TaraBull808/status/1833699311793926304
trump won you lost americunt kys

>/pol/ admits trump has lost already
harris won, you lost trumptard your entire agenda has already killed itself

>>1340839
Can you blame them? /pol/ rats infest every other board too.

>>1340621
Where are these pro terrorist protestors when republicans are speaking? Republicans want to glass gaza, but you never hear a peep from terrorist sympathizers regarding that.

Harris asked for another debate.
If Trump does it he is just gonna get cooked again.

Once you understand his character flaws you can repeat the same strategy over and over.

>>1340664
>flip-flopping on issues
That is literally among the least of my concerns. Along with what color socks each candidate wears.

>>1340706
>Harris going to her corner
https://i.giphy.com/3oEduV3iOWBmgN1pLO.gif

>>1340904
You're acting like Trump has no self-control.

>>1340911
lol

Another red wave for the right, eh

>>1340904
Kamala needs to stay on the offensive just set up the next debate while also picking moderators who will also do real time fact checks.
Because if she sits on it, Trump will have Fox News try and host it again where you know they'll do everything to help him win.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-demands-abc-be-shut-down-for-daring-to-fact-check-debate
Trump wants to shut down ABC for fact checking him.
Not beating the fascist allegations

>>1340933
Holy shit AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
he's cooked. this went almost as bad for him as the first debate did for Biden

>>1340932
lolumad

>>1340934
It's pathetic that Republicans are obligated to defend Trump and his lies. As opposed to democrats realizing Biden was not going to win and getting him to drop out.
Really shows how conservatism is a cult.

>>1340921
What's causing Republicans to shit the bed is Gen Z doesn't respond to polls, and you can't poll newly registered voters. So Kalama is going to be at best under preforming, at worst, cancel out Trump's usual under preformance in the polls.

>>1340956
>What's causing Republicans to shit the bed is Gen Z doesn't respond to polls
Literally no one is shitting the bed. Trump is tied with Kamala in the POPULAR VOTE

Literally every Trumptard is shitting the bed. Just look at /pol/ since the debate. They admit it's over for Trump.

>>1340933
He said the other day that he wants prosecute late night hosts too cause they make fun of him too much

Still voting Trump

>>1341000
t. 2020 voter

>>1340960
>Literally no one is shitting the bed.
Except Texas and Florida Republicans are sending their gestapo after voters

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tries-to-dodge-harris-handshake-before-debate-starts
In retrospect, you Kamala was going to be in full control when you see how the handshake went down.

>>1340606
fuck yeah boxxy

>>1340933
He's a stupid, scared little man.

Rewatching the debate, and jesus, it feels like Trump gets 30 extra minutes because how he drags out his rants.

>>1340960
Ok. And?

>>1341277
Its by design. Trump is an expert at digging his own grave. The more talking time you get him the better chance he has at showing everyone what a retarded cry baby he is who spreads Facebook memes about immigrants eating cats.

Trump won and the proof is all the lefttards talking about Trump in most of the posts here. Kamala looked terrible, was nervous, had dry mouth, and little to offer as far as policies. None of you are saying that she did a good job.

>>1341296
trying to convince yourself?

>>1341296
Trump lied 30 times as much as Kamala did

>>1341296
>t. didn't watch the debate and is just repeating his favorite conservative talking head tell him that Trump won the bait

>>1341296
This post has been fact checked for lies

>>1341299
This post fact checked the liar

>>1341296
Wrong, Kamala had a wet mouth
Trump was eating spicy BBQ dog with RFK before the debate and looked parched and sweaty. Disgusting

>>1341296
If someone fucks up, people talk about it. If you had friends you'd know this.

>>1341296
>Trump won and the proof is all the lefttards talking about Trump in most of the posts here.
This is like "when girls are mean to you its cause they like you" tier retardism.

>>1340643
>>1340752
It's wild that we can trace the dog eating stuff directly from 4chan. From /pol/ to Vance to the president. I wonder if /pol/ has realized yet the awesome power they wield.

>>1341308
it's all the same machine

>>1341309
>>1341308
Look up the house select committee with former AG Jeff Rossen. He testified that Trump saw some video on YouTube claiming that an Italian spy was using satellites to hack into voting machines and switch votes from Trump to Biden. He sent this video to his chief of staff Mark Meadows who then hounded the DOJ for weeks asking them to announce investigations, contact the Italian government and meet with Guiliani and the creator of the YouTube video to help Trump overturn the election. Far-right conspiracy cesspools now have a direct pipeline to the president of the U.S. Send out a post on your Facebook claiming that your school board is funding sex change operations for illegal immigrant toddlers and you might get to see your batshit made up conspiracy come out of the U.S. president's mouth on live TV. Wild times we live in.

>>1341311
it's more likely that trump or an affiliate artificially plants things on 4chan to create the appearance of a grassroots movement. aka astroturf

>>1341318
Nah, they just disseminate it through influencers. The majority of "original" memes and trends from 4chan are from the userbase.

>>1341319
well that's pretty much what i meant. 4chan is an aggregated userbase

Mentally Absent Gullible Americans are now fearful that their pets may be eaten! When will this stupidity end????

>>1341319
>>1341318
There's a lot of overestimating going on I think. The most reasonable interpretation anyone can gather from listening to Trump's former employees speak is that he's actually a deranged, idiotic boomer who comes up with retarded ideas on the fly and everyone around him is forced to walk the fine line between kissing his ass but also keep themselves out of federal prison.

>>1341326
no, there's an entire internet campaign that russia and several other actors maintain which has almost entirely ruined the internet

>>1341319
And when you say the 'userbase', you mean laundering whatever the Russians gave them.
Notice how /pol/ wielded significantly less influence after 2016 when people put to together it was just the Russians. Although the real tipping point was when the Russians tried the same tactics in interfering in the 2018 French Election with forged documents (Made in a pirated Russian version of excel) only the French didn't fuck around because their authorities contacted gookmoot who then had to beg /pol/ to stop spreading the fake documents because France has shown they will prosecute.

>>1341331
What I'm noticing is that you comment is from an invader shill's POV.
Fuck off faggot.

>>1341296
Just like the Trump vs Biden debate. No one said Trump did a good job then, it's just that Biden monumentally dropped the ball.

>>1341347
How would you know what an invader shill PoV is, unless you were one?
As the kids say, nice self report, fag.