Still reeling from his humiliating defeat at the hands of Vice President Kamala Harris at their debate Tuesday night, reality TV host turned failed presidential candidate turned convicted felon Donald Trump, age 78, has instructed his loyal Republican minions in Congress to fall back to a strategy that they have used several times in recent years.Force a government shutdown, waste billions of taxpayer dollars, risk downgrading America's credit rating and potentially cause an economic downturn, and hope their propagandists on Fox and Twitter can successfully pin the blame on Democrats.https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/non-citizen-voting-not-real-issue-trump-gop-1235101728/ Congress is heading toward a potential government shutdown, less than two months before the election, over a made-up issue.Donald Trump and the GOP falsely assert that non-citizens voting could influence the 2024 election when study after study shows that this is not a real thing. In exchange for a spending bill that would keep the government open, some Republicans are demanding legislation to combat this nonexistent problem, and that would only serve to disenfranchise Americans. Trump, who continues to falsely assert that he won the 2020 election, has publicly urged the GOP to move ahead with a shutdown if Democrats don’t comply with their demands. “If Republicans in the House, and Senate, don’t get absolute assurances on Election Security, THEY SHOULD, IN NO WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM, GO FORWARD WITH A CONTINUING RESOLUTION ON THE BUDGET,” Trump posted on Truth Social on Tuesday.
At the crux of the impasse is House Speaker Mike Johnson’s Safeguard American Voter Eligibility Act, which would require voters to present proof of citizenship, such as a passport or birth certificate, in order to be able to vote. It has been illegal for non-citizens to vote in federal elections since 1996, so the SAVE Act would just create additional barriers to voting for American citizens. It could disenfranchise millions of voters, such as people in indigenous communities who use tribal IDs, as well as Americans who do not have the documents that they would need readily available. “If you make [registering] harder, there will be students, young people, elderly people, poor people and other groupings of people who would just not bother,” Gilda Daniels, an election law professor at the University of Baltimore, told NPR. The idea that non-citizens are changing elections, a circumstance that the progressive Brennan Center has called “vanishingly rare,” has been repeatedly debunked by both liberal and conservative groups. Non-citizens face the deterrents of prison time and deportation if they were to vote. “The claim that illegal voting is swaying American elections is nothing if not sensational,” Walter Olson, a fellow at the libertarian Cato Institute, wrote earlier this year. “Those who levy sensational charges should bear the burden of proving them. But they haven’t.” Olson added: “Bogus claims of widespread voter fraud, even when they do not stoke hatred and fear of the foreign-born, are grossly irresponsible.”
A database from the conservative Heritage Foundation — yes, the same Heritage Foundation behind Project 2025 — documents only 85 allegations of non-citizens voting over two decades — a negligible number. Speaking of negligible numbers, the Brennan Center found that 0.0001 percent of the votes in the 2016 election were by non-voters. There’s also the 2022 probe in Georgia that found that 1,634 non-citizens had attempted to register to vote — but none of them did so successfully, so none of them voted — and the study in Arizona that found that 0.04 percent of Arizona voters were not citizens when they registered or after registering to vote in the 2020 election. “The evidence very clearly doesn’t document or demonstrate anything close to the claim that the Arizona Presidential election was decided by noncitizens in 2020,” Jesse Richman of Old Dominion University told The Washington Post.According to NPR, the myth that non-citizens are voting in elections has been around for over a century, starting after a wave of immigration following the Civil War. “I think that’s what it’s meant to do — to freak people out over an issue. It’s a continuation of this myth of voter fraud,” Daniels said. “It not only creates hysteria, but it [furthers] this idea that only certain people should be allowed to participate in the process.” Johnson postponed a vote on the spending bill on Wednesday. Congress needs to pass legislation by Oct. 1 in order to avoid a shutdown. “No vote today because we’re in the consensus building business here in Congress. With small majorities, that’s what you do,” Johnson said.Trump, meanwhile, is so desperate to create the impression of fraud that he is willing to shut down the government over it.
The sad thing is because of how far right the media is, they'll get the American people to blame Kamala for something that's clearly the fault of Trump and Republicans.
Dont care, still voting Trump
Republicans after Charlottesville and Republicans Against Trump and undecideds after the debate don't care about Trump, they're voting Harris
>>1342001I want Trump to win so bad it's unreal. There's so many people both in real life and many people on the internet that I want to see grab the rope and ACK en masse. He must win no matter what happens.
>>1342042and i want you to never post on an american web domain for the rest of your life, but we can't all get what we want
To the post above mine:Will you ACK if he loses?
>>1342045Correction, two posts above.
Those who cope for an orange dope can only think of the rope after 5th November
>>1342048even if poomala "wins" i won't let her take office
>>1342049In what way won't you allow her to take office? Be specific.
>>1342049That's stupid, you would only cause Tim Walz to become president.
>>1342012Is there any funding in the SAVE Act to properly train poll watchers before election day and implement the necessary systems in states that don't have the infrastructure to meet the stringent requirements? Are there any measures to keep things smooth and easy for those who are, in fact, living citizens? What about coverage of the edge cases, like those who are citizens but don't have a passport or birth certificate on hand, or those who cast an absentee ballot but die prior to the day? Has this bill considered any of the fine details?No?Then why are you trying to ram through a bill which will do nothing but cause chaos at polling stations and disenfranchise those who ARE elligible voters, since the illegals and dead are already banned from voting in federal elections and have been since 1996?The State Department takes a month to make a passport even on a good day. Birth certificates are state-issued; if you had the audacity to move out of state, they might take even longer. If this act were passed, NOBODY would be able to vote save for the lucky souls who had a passport already or didn't lose their birth certificate. Do you have any idea how many legal citizens don't fit into either of those categories?
>>1342126>will just prevent voter fraudSo something that doesn't exist and the SAVE act is a waste of money.
The foreign - thus nonAmerican - schizo shows not only its own racist intrusive thoughts>poomala>poo>coprophiliaWeird
>>1342126Unless you plan to give everyone who doesn't have one a passport or a copy of their birth certificate before election day, it's gonna hurt actual living citizens. Especially the poor, who can't afford a passport, and the young, who probably left their birth certificate with their parents.
Maybe just dont be a bitch and pass the SAVE act? >Its already illegal for non citizens to vote!!Its also illegal to entry the country under false asylum claims... yet here we are. Meh. Bitches gonna bitch.
>>1342148Lol. Full blown retard copium.
>>1342012Because they can't win without voter fraud, obviously.
>>1342148It's weird how no one who votes for democrats seems to have an ID. How do you people open bank accounts, get jobs, or collect welfare?
>>1342184how will you post in america when we ban you from it
>>1342185Well I live in America so that would be a trick. I guess you'll have to shut down all of the internet sites critical of your regime. Then we'll all have to go outside and find new hobbies.
>>1342186that's a cute daydream anon, but you've shit up the entire internet too much for us to believe it
>>1342187That's really interesting. So how do democrats open bank accounts and get jobs without identification anyway?
>>1342188how do you expect me to argue your bullshit when i'm really just here to laugh at you. notice i don't have to say anything like "i live in america"
>>1342189It seems like a legitimate question to me. I've never been able to open a bank account or get a job without verifying my identity and citizenship. It required multiple forms of identification, actually. How are democrats going through life without any of these things. Do you all work under the table and get paid in cash?
>>1342190how are you still being serious, we've entered the me laughing at you stage. please continue though
>>1342191Securing elections and protecting democracy are very serious issues.
>>1342192wow, did your team come up with that
>>1342193You're acting like a complete retard.
>>1342194>>1342194wow. name calling. that's a very, very serious offense
>>1342195In english the adverb comes first.
hook, line, faggot
>>1342211>>1342212enjoy your 40 minute break?
>>1342051Tongue my anus glowtard. Save it until November the day the fate of humanity is decided
More intrusive thoughts>Tongue>anusWeird
>>1342260You already know why.
