“This gun safety law bans ghost guns, strengthens the Extreme Risk Protection Order statute to keep guns out of the hands of people who are a danger to themselves or others, and invests in violence prevention programs.“ from this same article.

So it keeps guns out of violent criminals hands and puts tougher bans on ghost guns… and you hate democrats for this and will allow rampant corruption and criminal behavior from republicans because you want ghost guns around and want violent criminals to have guns?

>muh ghost guns
Leftism really is a mental illness.

>>1348311
>So it keeps guns out of violent criminals hands
where the fuck did you get that from? Extreme Risk Protection Orders are by definition only used on people who are 100% innocent and did nothing wrong. if they were criminals they would be arrested/convicted.
> and puts tougher bans on ghost guns
people have been making their own guns in the US for loner than there has been a US. any attempts to ban self manufactured firearms are only because dems want a registry for confiscation
> and you hate democrats for this and will allow rampant corruption and criminal behavior from republicans
yes
>because you want ghost guns around
self manufactured firearms
>and want violent criminals to have guns?
If they were violent criminals they would be arrested and charged. felons are already banned from owning guns. red flag laws are by definition only used on completely innocent people who can't be arrested because there is zero evidence they did a crime

>>1348311
Hello! You are currently posting in a schizo gun nut thread. He's been off of his anti-psychotic medication for a few weeks now and this board is how he expends his schizophrenic energy. Expect no actual conversation with a sane person. Regardless of what you say he's going to ramble about people he doesn't like not being human beings and how Democrats eat babies and want to own slaves for the next several hours until you get exhausted and wander away.

>>1348320
It's okay if you don't want to talk about gun control. It's going away, either way.

>be a dem
>pass an unconstitutional law
>citizens get enough signatures for the law to be suspended and put on the ballot as a referendum
>use "emergency" powers to declare it an "emergency" to force the law through bypassing the will of the people
>dems will defend this

>>1348311
Do criminals follow the law you fucking retard?

>>1348387
>be Swiss
>they have several referendums every year
>Switzerland has gun laws that make America's look like Britain's
>If there was a referendum on 'ghost guns' being legalized, they'd vote 'No'
Switzerland's citizens are based. Love democracy more than Republicans ever will, and make them and the NRA look like Communists. They prove the OP is more than a faggot.

>>1348391
Why does your species have to come up with retarded buzz words for every retarded cause you decide is part of your retarded religion?

>>1348432
Tell us more about how much of an ammosexual you are.

>>1348432
>Oerlikon 20mm cannons used by US Navy in WWII against Kamikaze attacks. Used by Canadian Navy to sink U-Boats
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_Sauer_P226#Users
>United States Army
>United States Air Force
>United States Coast Guard
>United States Department of Homeland Security
>U.S. Diplomatic Security Service
>U.S. Federal Air Marshals
>United States Navy
>U.S. Secret Service
>Texas Ranger Division
>New York City Police Department
Switzerland must be based as fuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland
>>1348432 is inferior to citizens of Switzerland and the laws which makes them citizens of that country.

>>1348443
>it's projecting fetishes on people again

>>1348432
>>1348460
>Is projecting its inferiority.
>it's
>>1348460
>Is projecting its educational inferiority due to incorrect use of punctuation. The apostrophe.
>Some Americans know about this. Other Americans who don't are inferior. Others who don't know are foreign, with English as a second language.
Just keep on proving how inferior you are, >>1348460.

>>1348391
you are a retard if you think swiss gun laws are more lax than say, texas's gun laws or US federal gun laws. also I don't care what some mountain faggots do, building your own gun at home is a human right
>>1348432
because whenever they don't try to hide behind buzzwords they get btfo'd. look at how they don't even say gun control anymore, they try to call it gun reform or gun safety because gun control is so unpopular

>so >>1348485 is seething at those in a country with superior gun laws, compared to a country it will never be a citizen of, never vote Republican in, and will never own a gun in US or Switzerland
And you're a retarded kissless virgin incel that will never marry a woman in any country, so don't project your impotence on others, brown foreign person. And you are, before you try to deny it. You reek of curry, never using a toilet, and never being a clean American.

>>1348500
wow crackhead bot, I've never seen you seethe just to fucking hard, its amazing how much you seethe

>>1348504
Wow, crackhead bot. I've neer seen you seethe just too fucking hard
>to
>its
It's amazing how much you seethe at your educational inferiority, brown ESL kissless virgin incel that will never be a man and will never own a gun.

>>1348504
The activist dyke seems a little pissed, huh?

>>1348509
should have been this instead of too and no one gives a shit about apostrophes, fagola
>>1348510
you seem confused and gay

>>1348528
stop talking about yourself in the third person crackhead bot

you can tell crackhead bot >>1348530 is a bot because it always writes the same posts a million times

>>1348311
>Extreme Risk Protection Order
>get in an argument with your girlfriend
>she drops a "Red Flag" on you
>cops seize your guns and haul you off to the nut house
>you now have to prove you're not a threat
>(I realize nobody here has a GF but anyways...)

Half the murders in the U.S. are committed by 3-4% of the population who are young Black males, literally NONE of the gun regulations the Dems have ever attempted to impose do anything to prevent crime.

>>1348537
Are you outraged?

>>1348537
>Source? My shillmasters!
yawn

>>1348471
>Is projecting its inferiority.
>it's
Are you retarded?

>>1348537
>literally NONE of the gun regulations the Dems have ever attempted to impose do anything to prevent crime.
What do you think would prevent crime?

>>1348564
You are educationally inferior.

>>1348575
Considering the recidivism rates, locking up people who commit crimes might be a good start.

>>1348578
Doubtful.

>>1348581
We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.

Do you have any not blatantly stupid ideas?

>>1348583 doubts
>>1348564
>it's
Pressing X

>>1348591
There is nothing retarded about locking up the people who commit crimes and then commit more crimes once you release them. Moat of the murders in the country are committed by people with previous violent felony convictions.

I don't think you're actually serious about dealing with these issues.

>>1348593
The grammar in that sentence was correct. I'm sorry that you're retarded.

>>1348297
Based. More Dems should do this.

Get fucked ammosexuals.

>>1348609
>Moat
Nobody lakes what you think. Trump the felon should be loched up, and those who think otherwise are in a certain river in Egypt. And he can Suez, for all I care. I don't think you're actually serious. But I will call you Shirley

>its
>it's
>and >>1348611 is retarded
I'm not sorry

>>1348616
You should be, since you're wrong and making a complete ass of yourself.

>its
>it's
You're wrong and making a complete ass of yourself, >>1348619.

>>1348614
This is why you need to be locked up, too.

>>1348391
This is false, university of Sydney did a study of sorts once and their conclusions was that the only country in Europe who has gun laws as permissive as the US was Austria

>>1348630
>university of Sydney did a study of sorts once
>Sydney
>Ausfailia
Airsoft guns aren't even allowed there.

>>1348635
Austria, not Australia... read the post again

>>1348609
>There is nothing retarded about locking up the people who commit crimes and then commit more crimes once you release them.
I didn't say there was. I said you were a dumbfuck for thinking continuing to do what we're already doing as hard as possible is going to solve jack shit.
>Most of the murders in the country are committed by people with previous violent felony convictions.
Actually this isn't true. Only 38% of murderers have prior felony convictions and of those the vast majority are non-violent felonies.

Although I don't want to belabor you pulling shit out of your ass because ultimately I'm hardly against long sentences for violent offenders. However I fucking asked you what you would do to lower the fucking crime rate. If long sentences=less crime, we'd look like fucking Japan.

>>1348643
>If long sentences=less crime, we'd look like fucking Japan.
What is something we have and Japan doesnt?
Finland has more guns per capita, what is something we have and they dont?

>>1348645
>Finland has more guns per capita
Only 12% of Finns own firearms. In USA that number is closer to 42%.

I'm not going to bother looking up Finland's guns per person number because ultimately either you're lying directly or attempting to use a less accurate number to imply a lie about their gun ownership rate, so ultimately I don't care either way.

In summary, shut your whore mouth.

>>1348648
Okay.

What is something we have that Switzerland doesn't?

>>1348649
>What is something we have that Switzerland doesn't?
Lax gun laws and no tracking of ammunition ownership.

>>1348652
Is that all?

>>1348643
Clearly you are not locking up criminals since the people committing most of the crimes have long criminal records.

>>1348649
No mandatory firearm training before being allowed access to firearms.

>>1348655
>No mandatory firearm training before being allowed access to firearms.
This is the cause of gun violence in the US?

hmmm.... what does the data say....

>>1348652
Imagine tracking a trillion rounds of ammunition. You retards genuinely belong in mental asylums.

>>1348658
No! Don't you understand! Look at Mexico! Strict controls on guns and ammunition. Very effective at ending gun-crime.

>>1348642
>university of Sydney did a study of sorts once
>Austria
>Sydney, Australia
Choose one where airsoft guns can be bought easily

>>1348311
There are 110 other pages to the law. The Ghost guns thing isn't the problem this law also
>expands the training requirements without defining them exactly (an amendment to the budget bill quietly pushed this back 18 months)
>redefined "assault weapons" to ban essentially every semi-auto rifle
>requires a registration of all firearms (illegal under PLCAA) in a system that doesn't exist
>changes the definition of rifle and shotgun to now be the same as handguns. Handguns must be on an approved roster to be sold, now this applies to all firearms, there are no rifles and shotguns on the roster
Unintended consequences
>.22's are now exempt from the salt weapons ban
>any previously owned "compliant" rifles are now also exempted from the ban.

She is only signing this as an emergency preamble now, 2 months after signing the bill originally, because gun owners got the necessary signatures on a petition to put the law on hold pending a referendum vote. Emergency laws go into effect even if there is a referendum. This is not about muh ghost guns, it never was. It is illegal to possess any firearm or ammunition without a license in this state. The criminals are already breaking 3-5 laws anytime they are caught with a gun. Now maybe law 6 or 7 will get them to stop?

>>1348654
>Clearly you are not locking up criminals since the people committing most of the crimes have long criminal records.
Ah yes, clearly those criminals that were locked up before weren't getting locked up.

We could give every felon life and we'd still have a sky high murder rate compared to most developed countries. We'd also have an even higher incarceration rate than we already fucking do, which is already enough to make your average police state envious.

>>1348657
>hmmm.... what does the data say....
The data says you aren't putting forward a solution to the crime rate.

>>1348658
>Imagine tracking a trillion rounds of ammunition
I dunno. I feel like you could pretty easily just break it up into a bunch of Switzerland sized zones to track and just track those with Switzerland sized staffs if it's that big of an issue. After all Switzerland manages to do it.

>>1348660
90% of guns used in crimes in Mexico came from the USA. 80% were made here.

>>1348655
Ah the duality of the left. Checking ids to make sure you got forearm training, good. Checking ids to make sure you're registered to vote, bad.

>>1348662
You're fucking stupid.

>>1348665
You check registration to make sure you're registered to vote. You check id to register. A thing we do that nobody bitches about.

>>1348664
You let them out because you're a mush headed bleeding heart liberal. Then they commit more crimes. A literal child can work out the cause and effect here.

>>1348669
>A literal child can work out the cause and effect here.
You didn't respond to a single thing I said and your dumbass proposal wouldn't fix jack shit.

>>1348668
How do you check registration without checking id?

>>1348667
>You're fucking stupid.
But at least those at Sydney University have done more than just a study of sorts of a book on Geography. And they know that it's not only airsoft guns that can be bought easily in Austria. But not in their own country.

>>1348664
>The data says you aren't putting forward a solution to the crime rate.
Yes, but I want you to say it. I want you to say, specifically, who and where the problem is.

>90% of guns used in crimes in Mexico came from the USA. 80% were made here.
B... but they have really strict laws right? If we just pass laws it will stop the illicit flow of guns, right?

>>1348670
This is why it's impossible to have a conversation with a leftist. They can't even comprehend that locking up people who commit crimes would lower the crime rate, because once they're locked up they can't commit more crimes.

Actual retards.

>>1348664
DA's in MA are quick to plea deal away all the extra gun charges and release dangerous criminals before trial. I don't care about crime in Mexico. All of the proposed solutions from the left that I see involve leaving dangerous people in society, but if magically the guns were gone then these people wouldn't kill peope.

>>1348673
>B... but they have really strict laws right?
They have really strict laws and share a 2k mile border with a country that doesn't and produces more guns than anywhere else on earth.

Almost as if we're the problem or something. You don't see Russian or Chinese guns flooding Mexico. Over the ground smuggling is just too damn easy and unfortunately for the Americas, we don't give a shit about polluting everyone else in this hemisphere with black market weaponry.

You see a similar phenomenon in the USA where, for example, basically all the guns used in crime in Chicago come from out of state with a full 40% coming from Indiana. Strict gun laws absolutely keep guns from flooding into your black market...from your markets, but unless your neighbors put in the work too, it's like patching a single hole in a ship that looks like swiss cheese.

>>1348674
I literally told you that locking up every felon for life would lower the murder rate by 38%. I said that's hardly fucking good enough given how high it already is, not to mention the fact that it'd be ruinous for society generally, given that's 8.1% of the population.

Learn to read, dipshit.

I swear dumbfucks like you think the solution to a house fire is a bomb. The house can't burn down if there is no house. Nevermind the fact that the debris would still be burning.

>>1348685
>DA's in MA are quick to plea deal away all the extra gun charges and release dangerous criminals before trial.
We. Have. The. Highest. Incarceration. Rate. In. The. World.

>>1348695
You are actually retarded. The Mexican military uses us made weapons. The cartels get their guns from the Mexican government.

>>1348696
>I don't want to lower the murder rate by 38%
Okay. Then stop bitching about it.

>>1348698
>The cartels get their guns from the Mexican government.
So you're arguing that if we restricted guns in the USA, criminals would just get guns from the US government?

Also, source, lmao.

>>1348697
Not high enough, obviously.

>>1348699
>>I don't want to lower the murder rate by 38%
I don't want to increase the incarceration rate to 8.1% to just lower the murder rate by 38%.

It's like chopping off your leg to fix an itchy knee.

>>1348700
You retards genuinely need to be removed from society.

>>1348701
No. You sound too high if anything.

>>1348703
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

>>1348702
But disarming half the country is perfectly fine.

This is why you shouldn't get a say in how things are run.

If you get hit with an extreme risk protection order perhaps you are a shitty person?

“An Extreme Risk Protection Order (ERPO) is a civil court order that temporarily prevents someone from possessing or purchasing firearms. ERPOs are also known as "Red Flag Laws".

ERPOs are issued when a person is considered a danger to themselves or others, and when voluntary measures like storing firearms safely or out of the home have failed. ERPOs are based on domestic violence protection orders and are intended to protect due process rights while preventing injury and death.

In Colorado, a court may issue an ERPO if a family member, law enforcement officer, or other party can provide clear and convincing evidence that a person poses a significant risk. The order prohibits the respondent from possessing, purchasing, or receiving a firearm for 364 days. The respondent must surrender all firearms and concealed carry permits.

The respondent can request a hearing to terminate the ERPO once during the 364-day period. The respondent has the burden of proof at the hearing“

So you lose your guns for 1 year because you are a shit person? Maybe be less of a shit person?

>>1348717
People like you are why the bill of rights was created in the first place.

>>1348695
>Passing a law wont work
>argues why passing a law wont work as a rebuttal
?????

>>1348717
>based on random accusations from random people
>lasts for a whole year
>you bear the burden of proving innocence
Okay, fascist.

>>1348697
I don't care. Let out the actually non-violent ones (if there are any) and keep the violent ones in jail until their trial or plea deal. This state just sent guys to jail for 10 years for stealing catalytic converters. They'll go on and on about how progressive and great they are, but the prisons here don't reform anyone. And pretrial detention was tied to the cashless bail reforms.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2024/10/01/leader-of-massachusetts-catalytic-converter-theft-ring-gets-10-years-in-prison/

>>1348754
>based on random accusations from random people
It has to be a member of law enforcement or a member of your family or someone else in your personal orbit like an employer or teacher.

It also has to be made under oath
>lasts for a whole year
You can appeal after a month. It only lasts for a year if you lose the hearing to initially take your guns, the hearing on whether the order will remain in place, and the appeal.

>you bear the burden of proving innocence
This is an outright lie. The burden is on the state in the first step and the state and the accuser in the second step. The burden is only on you on appeal.

It works the fucking same, process-wise, as a normal fucking restraining order, a thing I don't see you bitching about.

Hell, it works the same as being fucking forcibly committed. Seeing as you bitches always blame mental health every time there's a mass shooting and say the shooter should have been locked up before they could hurt someone, I don't understand how you could possibly be arguing in good faith against fucking gun violence restraining orders, when being committed ALSO includes the confiscation of guns. You think the state shouldn't be able to take your guns, but they should be able to take your guns AND toss you in a glorified prison?

In summary, you're a dishonest bitch whose world view makes no sense.

>>1348533
look >>1348528's right to an opinion was denied. based mods, denying the rights of inferior crackhead bot

>>1348537
good post and exactly what happens
>>1348575
20 years in jail for possession of weed. it worked in the 90s to reduce crime

>>1348591
>We have the highest incarceration rate in the world.
And? crime went down in the 90s when we jacked up the rate and then went up when we tried to lower it. we just have a ton of criminals
>>1348609
exactly this

>>1348612
>literally defending fascism
>reddit spacing
every time
>>1348643
it literally made the murder rate drop by half between 1993 and 2004

>>1348648
>In USA that number is closer to 42%.
old number. post covid over 50% of households admitted to having a gun
>>1348652
>noooo we need to ban guns and ammo reeeeee
fuck off, you get nothing

>>1348655
literally unconstitutional
weird that blacks can't go to the DMV to get an ID or vote but its fine to make them go somewhere to take a multi hour training course and pay money for it
>>1348658
yeah anti gunners are not bright

>>1348663
very good and high quality post
>>1348664
>We could give every felon life and we'd still have a sky high murder rate compared to most developed countries.
we have a higher % black than any other developed country and every gun control study shows % black has a higher impact on crime rates than guns do
>I dunno. I feel like you could pretty easily just break it up into a bunch of Switzerland sized zones to track and just track those with Switzerland sized staffs if it's that big of an issue. After all Switzerland manages to do it.
Switzerland doesn't have trillions of rounds of ammo already in circulation. I probably have like 5,000 rounds in my house right now

>>1348665
also
>blacks and dems can't get an ID from the DMV
>blacks and dems can totally go to gun training
>>1348668
just say someone else's name when you show up to vote, they don't check

>>1348685
pretty much this. same as NJ. you really only see people get convicted on gun charges if they were only caught on gun charges and not on anything else. if you do a robbery or felony murder or something the gun charges get dropped asap
>>1348697
I fail to see how that is a problem

>>1348695
sounds like we need to build a wall between the US and mexico
>>1348696
>I literally told you that locking up every felon for life would lower the murder rate by 38%.
sounds like we should do it

>>1348702
why the fuck does incarceration rate matter? you sound retarded
>no we need to put less black violent criminals in jail
this is like that retarded obongo/brandon thing where schools aren't allowed to give detention or suspension to blacks or hispanic boys even if they get into fights. its why the florida school shooter was never reported

>>1348708
god post
>>1348717
>If you get hit with an extreme risk protection order perhaps you are a shitty person?
nope. by definition Extreme Risk Protection Orders are only used on completely innocent people who did nothing wrong and there is no evidence they did anything wrong
if there was evidence they would be arrested. imagine losing any other right because some cops made an unsubstantiated accusation about you with no evidence

>>1348754
good post
>>1348795
>It has to be a member of law enforcement
yeah and no cop has ever lied about someone ever
>or a member of your family
and no girl friend, wife or parent has ever lied ever
>You can appeal after a month. It only lasts for a year if you lose the hearing to initially take your guns, the hearing on whether the order will remain in place, and the appeal.
imagine being banned from being a jew or a muslim for a month and then needing to prove your innocence against made up charges or you can't go to jewish church for a year
>This is an outright lie. The burden is on the state in the first step and the state and the accuser in the second step.
go look it up colorado has like a 80%+ approval rate for cop erpos
>In the first year that Colorado's law was in effect, 82% of petitions for TERPOs and 85% of petitions for yearlong ERPOs filed by law enforcement were granted by courts;
shit is literally rubber stamped
>The burden is only on you on appeal.
imagine having the burden of proof on you to be allowed to go to jewish church
>It works the fucking same, process-wise, as a normal fucking restraining order, a thing I don't see you bitching about.
we need to get rid of those too, since 85% approval rate is wild
>Hell, it works the same as being fucking forcibly committed.
mental adjudication requires zero evidence and has an 85% approval rate?
> I don't understand how you could possibly be arguing in good faith against fucking gun violence restraining orders, when being committed ALSO includes the confiscation of guns. You think the state shouldn't be able to take your guns, but they should be able to take your guns AND toss you in a glorified prison?
because red flag laws require zero evidence, are not working in good faith and don't prevent crimes. they should require a jury trial with a burden of beyond a reasonable doubt, and if the jury finds in favor of the accused the accuser goes to jail for 25 years mandatory minimum no parole

>>1348795
>It has to be a member of law enforcement or a member of your family or someone else in your personal orbit like an employer or teacher.
>a court may issue an ERPO if a family member, law enforcement officer, or other party
>other party

>lasts for a whole year
>You can appeal after a month.
Nonetheless, it lasts for a year.

>>you bear the burden of proving innocence
>This is an outright lie.
>The respondent can request a hearing to terminate the ERPO once during the 364-day period. The respondent has the burden of proof at the hearing“

Nigga, you trying to gaslight when the content of the law is right here in front of everyones face?

>>1348826
>because red flag laws require zero evidence
The shill lied, replying to
>>1348717
>In Colorado, a court may issue an ERPO if a family member, law enforcement officer, or other party can provide clear and convincing evidence that a person poses a significant risk
>eViDeNcE
Right wing schizos can't argue in good faith
Shame if they had any good points, they lost the right to be involved in a Gun Rights argument because they're all compulsive liars

>>1348913
>Shame if they had any good points, they lost the right to be involved in a Gun Rights argument because they're all compulsive liars
This whole "mean girls" routine is so tiresome.

>>1348914
Maybe stop posting easily proven lies and someone will take your clown ass seriously.

>>1348916
>Maybe stop posting easily proven lies and someone will take your clown ass seriously.
I would love to respond but you're so deep into the meaningless meangirls routine that I actually have no idea what you're talking about.

>>1348916
You're not going to get an honest response out of Gun Schizo. They know they're an egregious liar.
One day NJ red flag laws will take away their guns, and the screeching will be glorious and deserved.

>>1348922
>4chan is one person

1348926
/news/ has one faggot on a self-proclaimed crusade to save the board from libs
They get deservedly mocked in nearly every thread
Kill yourself.

>>1348928
>4chan is one person
Diagnosis: Perma-online
Treatment: Touch grass, vitamin D
Prognosis: Even with treatment, likely terminal.

Gun rights will never be human rights, no matter how much you whine about it

>>1348931
>Gun rights will never be human rights, no matter how much you whine about it
You're not American so for you they are not human rights. However, here in America, they are specifically enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

Is this another 'gun schizo doesn't understand the difference between individual and group rights' thing?
Its weird that faggot doesn't understand it, since they do understand that NJ red flag laws apply to them and its just a matter of time until they're prohibited from owning guns.

>>1348935
>4chan is one person
My state has no redflag laws.

And they are, very much, human rights
> It spells out Americans’ rights in relation to their government. It guarantees civil rights and liberties to the individual—like freedom of speech, press, and religion. It sets rules for due process of law and reserves all powers not delegated to the Federal Government to the people or the States.

Some irrelevant schizo posted a definition out of their 5 grade civics handbook that failed to address their argument
Oh no.

>>1348944
>the BOR is not human rights
Who does it apply to? Trees? Trees have the freedom of expression?

Lmao. Non-argument.

1348948
>immediate reductio ad absurdum
lmao

>>1348914
good post
>>1348913
its an 85% rubber stamp rate.
>In the first year that Colorado's law was in effect, 82% of petitions for TERPOs and 85% of petitions for yearlong ERPOs filed by law enforcement were granted by courts;
if there was evidence there would be a conviction, retard. I know the NJ red flag law says if you recently bought guns or ammo that is sufficient evidence to be red flagged

>>1348922
nope, seethe harder
>>1348931
gun rights have always been and will always be human rights

gun schizo has always been a faggot

>>1348935
>Is this another 'gun schizo doesn't understand the difference between individual and group rights' thing?
you lost this fucking argument in 2008 with heller you fucking retard. the 2nd amendment refers to an individual right you absolute cock sucker. its settled law
>>1348954
you sure are one seething fagola

as we can see, gun schizo is in his natural habitat being a faggot

>>1348952
>its an 85% rubber stamp rate.
Non-Americans have a lot of trouble understanding this. Feel free to show how many of those ERPO's were overturned on appeal or were later shown not to be done on sufficient merit.
Otherwise you're just a faggot shrieking that the law is working properly.

>>1348955
>its settled law
As Republicunts proved in overturning Roe v Wade, its not settled law today. It still won't be settled law in 30 years.
Seethe more about it.

>>1348957
you seem like on angry tranny
>>1348958
>Feel free to show how many of those ERPO's were overturned on appeal or were later shown not to be done on sufficient merit.
>Otherwise you're just a faggot shrieking that the law is working properly.
denying innocent people their constitutionally protected basic human rights at an 85% rate shows the bar for getting an ERPO is too fucking low and its rubber stamped. conviction rates are nowhere near that high.
>As Republicunts proved in overturning Roe v Wade, its not settled law today. It still won't be settled law in 30 years.
Seethe more about it.
Its settled law. the 2nd amendment refers to an individual right. keep bitching and we will ban interracial marriages like we banned abortion. they were both based on the same case that we will kill

it was ineffective

1348961
You don't even deserve a ((you)) for that

You have no proof that ERPO's are being rubber stamped, just a gut feeling because 'it shouldn't be that high'. Fuck your feelings, they don't matter.
Since no ones complaining they're innocent and got ERPO'd then the law wasn't misapplied.
Again, fuck your feelings.

>seething hard and threatening to ban interracial marriage
You're a whiny pussy who lashes out trying to hurt someone when you're proven wrong.
The main reason you hate red flag laws is that you know you'd have your guns taken away, because you're the exact sort of trash the law was written for.

>>1348954
>gun schizo has always been a faggot
And will never own a gun. It admits it here: >>1348887
Oh, it'll say this is just a 'random link' but the damage has been done. It is perma-seething about it.

>>1348964
>Since no ones complaining they're innocent and got ERPO'd then the law wasn't misapplied.
fucking tons of people complain they get erop'd when innocent. literally by defintion 100% of people erop'd are innocent because if they weren't they would be arested
> who lashes out trying to hurt someone when you're proven wrong.
nope, you got proven wrong on the 2nd amendment being a group right and then you seethed over it and said it would be repealed. you lost. get use to it.
>The main reason you hate red flag laws is that you know you'd have your guns taken away, because you're the exact sort of trash the law was written for.
you mean completely innocent and did nothing wrong, but votes republican because dems are using red flag laws against political opponents
>>1348965
stop linking to your samefag posts crackhead bot

holy shit, all those typos
gun schizo is officially rageposting

>literally by defintion 100% of people erop'd are innocent because if they weren't they would be arested
Maybe you should march down to the police station and tell them why they're wrong.
This is part of your schizo delusions, faggot

>>1348969
no typos, keep being mad. also you can seethe over the fact I will literally never be erop'd because I am white with family connections. red flag laws are disgusting and need to be banned nation wide. Alito has already stated he invites a red flag law to the scotus because he doesn't think they are constitutional

1348970
>no typos
>defintion
>arested
lmao
no dispute that you know that red flag laws apply to you, you rageposting schizo

>>1348972
we can tell you are mad, crackhead bot, because you dropped your entire argument and are focusing on typos and are typing out post numbers in rage.
owning a gun is an individual right
red flag laws are unconstitutional, don't prevent crime and are rubberstamped with zero evidence

>>1348887
>i like guns.
>i wanna make myu own gun, since im banned from owning them
>>1348967
>stop linking to your samefag posts
What say you, mods?
>kinda stupid
Seems the mods have already identified the samefag, and it's not me.
>>1348969
>all those typos
>>1348887
>myu
Seething about being denied its right to own a gun as well as being an ESL foreigner it seems.
>>1348887
>im banned from owning them
You lost. Get used to it, that which says 'myu' and 'use' instead of used. Errors due to ragetyping or illiterate because >>1348967 is an inferior foreigner. Or both. We now know the foreigner will never be allowed to own a gun or wouldn't be rageposting in this way in another part of /news/. It can claim >>1348887 is a 'random link' but the mods can prove otherwise. What say you, mods?

>>1348974
you made a post yourself in another thread and then linked it here. you are a retard and think other people are as retarded as you are

>>1348970
>I will literally never be erop'd because I am white with family connections. red flag laws are disgusting and need to be banned nation wide
If you're what you 'claim' why are you so anti-Red Flag laws if they don't apply to you because you're supposedly 'white'? Yes typos
>>1348887
>i wanna make myu own gun, since im banned from owning them
>myu
Or just illiterate because not only is it the case that you aren't white, you aren't an American. Red Flag laws are a good thing and you would agree if you were white and actually owned guns because said laws could never apply to you. Or the lady doth protest too much because you aren't white and you indeed are >>1348887.

1348973
>typing out post numbers in rage
lmao, gun schizo really is a tourist who literally doesn't understand how 4chan works

My argument stands because, as you continually fail to understand, your feelings are worthless and aren't proof of anything except of your mental illness.
Red Flag laws are valid tools for law enforcement to remove guns from violent retards. An 85% approval rate is proof that they aren't used unless they're really needed, and cops are sure they can get a judge to sign off on them.

>>1348975
>you made a post yourself in another thread
>post logs
What say you, mods? >>1348887 is indeed the gun schizo >>1348975

>>1348978
>mods
>in /news/
best joke I've seen on this board

>>1348979
>>1348887
>i wanna make myu own gun, since im banned from owning them
Best joke I've seen on this board

>>1348976
>If you're what you 'claim' why are you so anti-Red Flag laws if they don't apply to you because you're supposedly 'white'?
because they are unconstitutional and disgusting. are you against laws that target jews and muslims?
>linking to your own fucking post in another thread again
kys crackhead
>>1348977
red flag laws are unconstitutional and require no evidence. they don't prevent crime. they are just used by dems so they can disarm and murder political opponents

>>1348978
nope, its your own post you fucking retard
>>1348980
again, its a post you literally made yourself

1348981
>red flag laws are unconstitutional and require no evidence. they don't prevent crime. they are just used by dems so they can disarm and murder political opponents
If this was anywhere close to true, there wouldn't be any Red Flag laws.
Thats bad news, for Gun Schizo. They'll lose their guns to red flag laws sooner or later because they're a violent retard.

>thus as we can see, >>1348981 isn't white and can't own guns
>disgusting
>kys
It's so fun watching the gun schizo seethe.

>>1348983
>If this was anywhere close to true, there wouldn't be any Red Flag laws.
cool, so by your logic abortion bans are cool and based and legal and gay marriage bans are cool and based and legal and segregation is cool and based and legal
>>1348984
crackhead bot, we both know I am American and own guns and you are not American and don't own guns

>If you're what you 'claim' why are you so anti-Red Flag laws if they don't apply to you because you're supposedly 'white'?
>>1348981
>because they are unconstitutional and disgusting
>>1348981 wouldn't care if it were white and owned guns. So many white gun owning Americans don't care about Red Flag laws because they don't apply to them. We now know why >>1348981 is so anti those laws though. >>1348986 is a brown foreigner that isn't American and will never own a gun. Those who need to say 'I'm an American' aren't Americans.

>>1348984
I don't think Gun Schizo has actually read the US Constitution at all.

1348986
>cool, so by your logic
unconstitutional laws get struck down

>abortion bans are
unconstitutional and got struck down
>gay marriage bans are
unconstitutional and got struck down
>segregation is
unconstitutional and got struck down

Red Flag laws are
constitutional and haven't been struck down

>>1348989
I have, anti gunners haven't
>>1348988
that is some retard logic there crackhead bot. would you be upset about laws that detained jews or muslims?

>>1348994
>>abortion bans are
>unconstitutional and got struck down
lol no they haven't. there are a bunch of states that have abortions
>gay marriage bans are
>unconstitutional and got struck down
so in 2011 they were cool and legal and constitutional to you?
>segregation is
>unconstitutional and got struck down
so in 1950 they were cool and legal and constitutional to you?
>Red Flag laws are
>constitutional and haven't been struck down
https://13wham.com/news/local/state-supreme-court-judge-in-rochester-rules-nys-red-flag-law-unconstitutional-thomas-moran-dan-strollo-erpo-payton-gendron-buffalo-tops-shooting
oh look, one got struck down. we are just waiting on the scotus to take a case and strike it down

1348996
>>>abortion bans are
>>unconstitutional and got struck down
>lol no they haven't. there are a bunch of states that have abortions
lmao, gun schizo is legit retarded
this is the comment to link to if you wanted to prove it

>>1348997
there are a bunch of states with abortion bans, retard. keep being mad
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/abortion-laws-roe-v-wade.html
look at all that constitutional abortion banning

>>1348995 is upset about laws denying it the right to own guns or wouldn't care abourt Red Flag laws. White gun-owning Americans don't. but then:
>>1348887
>i wanna make myu own gun, since im banned from owning them
We know why gun schizo is seething.
That link can't be me as I don't care about the likes of >>1348995 banned from owning a gun. Thinking >>1348887 is me, gun schizo pathetically trying to deny that's you? That's some retard logic when I'm not the one seething about Red Flag laws or not being allowed to own guns. Red Flag laws can only be a good thing, and not only because they make gun schizo seethe so much despite its denials that it isn't >>1348887
White American citizens own guns and don't care about Red Flag laws, >>1348995 seethes about them, ergo it isn't white and American, and will never own a gun or it wouldn't care about Red Flag laws. I've always driven a car with a seatbelt on. Seatbelt laws can only be a good thing and if those who are arrested & fined for not wearing one whilst driving, that's not a Me problem. If those laws became even more draconian with a permanent driving ban for those not wearing a seatbelt, I wouldn't be concerned about that because I've always worn one whilst driving. That's sane logic. Seatbelt laws becoming ultra-draconian? Not a Me problem. So Red Flag laws? Why should I care? Why should the gun schizo care if he's supposedly 'White' and 'American'? It shouldn't be a Him problem for him if he were, but since those Red Flag laws make him seethe, ergo...>>1348887

>>1349010
Everyone sane cares about red flag laws. They're an abomination and blatantly unconstitutional.

How warped are you people that you see no problem with disarming someone who has neither committed nor been convicted of a crime, but you think the idea of imprisoning actual violent criminals is a bridge too far?

>and >>1349011 continues to seethe
Red Flag laws? Not a Me problem. Any possible reply by you to try and counter that? Why should I care? Not my problem. I don't care. Why should I? Why should I care about gun schizos banned from owning guns? Not a Me problem.

>>1349012
>Red Flag laws? Not a Me problem. Any possible reply by you to try and counter that? Why should I care? Not my problem. I don't care. Why should I? Why should I care about gun schizos banned from owning guns? Not a Me problem
You wrote this and dare call someone else a schizo?

>>1349014
I don't care about a gun schizo's problem, your seething over a post? That's a you problem.

>>1349015
>write schizo babble
>accuse another of being a schizo
>get mocked
>y... you're seething
'kay

>>1349014
>>1349016
>whining about someone's post
>accuse another of being a schizo
>get pointed and laughed at

>>1349012
Clearly you care. You've been spazzing out this entire thread supporting them.

>and >>1349020 spazzes out about someone not caring about a gun schizo denied the right to own a gun

>>1349021
>i know you are but what am i
This is why you can carry without a permit in more than half the country.

>>1349029
And a certain gun schizo will never be able to own that which it always wants. Good.

>>1349031
Seriously though what language was this translated from?

>>1349035
Seriously though, why can't you read?

>>1349010
I ain't reading all that shit crackhead bot, stop linking your own fucking post in another thread
>>1349011
this

>>1349014
>>1349016
its either a bot or an indian man using chat gpt and google translate

>>1349043
>indian man
like kamala

>>1349039
I read just fine. It's the word choice and syntax. It's very interesting. No modern english speaker talks like this.

>>1349073
>I read just fine
Apparently not. Nobody who claims to be American says this. Americans say 'I can read just fine'.
>I read just fine
>your excuse in >>1349073
Interesting.

>>1349046
The absolute peak of chud humor

>>1349042
>I ain't reading all that shit crackhead bot
Because you know you're an Indian that is retarded and illiterate
>stop linking your own fucking post in another thread
>no evidence to back up that claim
That is you and you don't have the right to deny it. How can it be me when I don't care about red flag laws? I'm not banned from owning guns.

The executive dept has decided that it's OK to break part of the new law until they get their shit together. This is in no way allowed under the law.

https://www.mass.gov/doc/an-act-modernizing-firearms-laws-guidance-2/download

>Please be advised that Chapter 135 of the Acts of 2024, An Act Modernizing Firearm Laws,
will become effective on October 2, 2024. Pursuant to the Act, firearms dealers may continue to
sell firearms that are listed on Commonwealth approved rosters, which may be found at the
following link:
>https://www.mass.gov/lists/approved-firearms-rosters
>Additionally, under the Act and 501 CMR 7.00, dealers may continue to sell shotguns and
rifles so long as they are not otherwise prohibited in Massachusetts, pending further guidance from
the Firearms Control Advisory Board.

>>1348904
I was basing what I was saying on ERPOs in other states since they're all basically the fucking same.

You're talking about Colorado specifically
>After issuance of a temporary ERPO, the court must schedule a second hearing no later than 14 days following the issuance to determine whether the issuance of a continuing ERPO is warranted. The court shall appoint counsel to represent the respondent at the hearing. If a family or household member or a law enforcement officer establishes by clear and convincing evidence that a person poses a significant risk to self or others by having a firearm in his or her custody or control or by possessing, purchasing, or receiving a firearm, the court may issue a continuing ERPO.
So first is the initial hearing for the temporary ERPO, like I said, where the burden is on the state, like I said, then shortly thereafter the full hearing where the burden is on the state AGAIN, LIKE I SAID.
>The respondent can motion the court once during the 364-day ERPO for a hearing to terminate the ERPO. The respondent has the burden of proof at a termination hearing.
And then there is the appeal, LIKE I FUCKING SAID, where the burden is finally on the accused.

Fuck you, cunt. The only thing that's different here is it doesn't specify the appeal can't be within the first month of the ERPO.

>other party
Yeah, a household member. READ THE FUCKING LAW YOU LYING CUNT.

>>1349073
its because he has to translate it into punjabi and then back to english
>>1349103
you literally made the post yourself and then are pretending its someone else to troll, we both know its you, crackhead bot

>>1349183
they are probably afraid of being sued since the way the law is written its a defacto ban on all rifles and shotguns

>>1349185
>>After issuance of a temporary ERPO, the court must schedule a second hearing no later than 14 days following the issuance to determine whether the issuance of a continuing ERPO is warranted. The court shall appoint counsel to represent the respondent at the hearing. If a family or household member or a law enforcement officer establishes by clear and convincing evidence that a person poses a significant risk to self or others by having a firearm in his or her custody or control or by possessing, purchasing, or receiving a firearm, the court may issue a continuing ERPO.
>So first is the initial hearing for the temporary ERPO, like I said, where the burden is on the state, like I said, then shortly thereafter the full hearing where the burden is on the state AGAIN, LIKE I SAID.
14 days isn't enough time for the accused to get a lawyer and the lawyer to be ready. again 85% rate means this shit is rubber stammped. the 14 days is to fuck and rail road them
again, imagine a law with an 85% approval rate to ban someone from going to jewish church or muslim church or from writing gay books. its fucking disgusting, unconstitutional and not based on any evidence of wrong doing because if it was they would make an arrest.
anyone who supports red flag laws is as big a piece of shit as a child molester

>>1349210
Tell me about a situation where a good guy who is not a danger is in this situation. What sort of guy are you picturing being “railroaded”? Just an innocent gun owner who makes threats but would never actually use the guns he owns for their intended purpose of shooting someone? Because the spouse or the ref at their kids elementary school game or the random person who cut them off deserved to be threatened!!!!!! That’s not their fault? They shouldn’t have their guns taken away? I thought conservatives believed in self reliance? Doesn’t that apply to not having self control?

>>1349219
>Tell me about a situation where a good guy who is not a danger is in this situation.
that describes 100% of red flag cases because if they was evidence of them being bad they would be arrested
> What sort of guy are you picturing being “railroaded”? Just an innocent gun owner who makes threats but would never actually use the guns he owns for their intended purpose of shooting someone?
here is a guy who wistleblew about police who got his guns taken
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/i-team-retired-nj-cop-believes-his-guns-were-seized-in-retaliation-for-whistleblower-complaint-against-police-academy/2080399/
maryland lied to get a red flag order
https://saf.org/willey-v-brown/
guy in nj had his guns taken because he was suing a doctor for malpractice, the doctor probably was hoping the cops would murder him
https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jersey-mans-guns-seized-under-red-flag-law-after-his-rival-in-a-lawsuit-filed-a-petition
and by the way, the guy won on appeal and he had his rights denied and life threatened over a lie
https://www.cnjfo.com/news/9008439
84 year old crossing guard was red flagged in Mass to outing the schools SRO for abandoning his post during school hours
https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/content/a-red-flag-law-horror-story/
Guy got his guns stolen by the cops because he had the same name as a hobo
https://www.fox13news.com/news/red-flag-laws-mistaken-identity-leads-to-revocation-of-veterans-firearms-license
retired NJ cop had his guns taken for filing a civil rights lawsuit against other cops
https://archive.is/Nhel1
We have also seen police just straight up put people on the terrorist watch list for being muslim
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/19/us/supreme-court-no-fly-list.html
“It can not be stated clearly enough that the Second Amendment is not a second class right, nor should it ever be treated as such.”

>>1349230
Conservatives are so full of shit…

First link https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nbcnewyork.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fi-team-retired-nj-cop-believes-his-guns-were-seized-in-retaliation-for-whistleblower-complaint-against-police-academy%2F2080399%2F

Brooke said he was told his guns were not yanked as part of the “red flag law,” which allows judges to temporarily remove an officer’s weapons if there is a direct threat of violence.

“I almost want it to be the red flag law because then I’d have a hearing within 3 to 6 days,” said Brooke. “

Second link https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsaf.org%2Fwilley-v-brown%2F

Did not win on appeal, was dropped by the plaintiff
“At the hearing for the Final ERPO, Webb informed the Court that she would no longer be pursuing the Petition and the proceedings were terminated in Willey’s favor. Willey’s firearms were returned by the Sheriff’s office twelve days after the ordeal began.“

Third link and forth link Same story

https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theblaze.com%2Fnews%2Fnew-jersey-mans-guns-seized-under-red-flag-law-after-his-rival-in-a-lawsuit-filed-a-petition

And this is the big one, all gun pervert sites have this one embossed in their front page as a shining example of bad red flag laws…


Escandon, in an opinion accompanying his May 20 order, said the state did not meet its burden to prove “beyond a preponderance of the evidence" that Conti, 57, posed a threat.

Dude went through court and judge said he threatened people but they had no proof and he just went through surgery so he got his guns back. System working as intended.

Still voting Trump

>>1349257
you have to be american first

>>1349257
Good, do, exercise your rights and vote for whoever you want. Just stop lying about the reasons. All this conservative bullshit is so easily fact checked as lies. Just like the people eating dogs bullshit.

Just be open about your reasons, that you think white men are the chosen race and gender. That you think you will need a massive amount of guns to kill all the people who threaten the superiority of the white man, and that you want all government and society to function at the benefit of the white man and at the expense of all others.

>>1349262
Don't shoot up a school, OK.

>>1349253
>Conservatives are so full of shit…
you are full of shit lying and defending these piece of shit tyrannical laws
>Dude went through court and judge said he threatened people but they had no proof and he just went through surgery so he got his guns back. System working as intended.
he had his basic human rights stripped from him on a baseless accusation, that is not the system working
>>1349262
>admitting to being nonwhite
red flag laws are unconstitutional and are only used to deny innocent people their rights

>>1349272
Gun Schizo showing that they don't really understand the meaning of English words
Thankfully, we have smarter judges and lawmakers who understand that Red Flag laws aren't unconstitutional, so we don't have to rely on this retarded schizos opinions.

Gun Schizo will eventually have their guns taken away under a red flag law, because they're the exact sort of violent, mentally ill retard these laws were meant to cover.

>>1349272
You can’t help but tell on yourself with that little bigot comment huh? You want to have an actual thoughtful retort but can’t help but let that racism slip out. Keep up the pretend buddy, it’s not that you’re a bigot, it’s about the constitution, right? “Basic human rights” right? lol

>>1349207
It's pathetic how you project. We in /news/ know your way of posting. That link IS you. Every time you deny it, the more we know >>1348887 is you.
Saying that's someone else other than you? Accusations are Admissions.

>>1348311
>So it keeps guns out of violent criminals
In Chicago?

>>1349321
It won't, of course. Leftists just like to play make believe.

>>1349305
the scotus has literally invited a case so they can strike red flag laws down because they are not constitutional and all the judges and politicians who support them are chinese agents who want to ban guns
>>1349307
you were the one who brought up race, faggot

>>1349309
nope, stop linking your own post. plus you literally accused me of posting that so you are admitting it is your own post

>>1349321
>>1349328
don't you know? all the gun violence in chicago is due to white men who vote for trump driving in with AR-15s and shooting innocent blacks and then escaping and never facing justice

>>1349354
stop talking about yourself in the third person

>>1349379
nice ESL

>the scotus has literally invited a case so they can strike red flag laws down
Alito mentioned it because he's a pay for play hack and loves that sweet NRA/Russian cash.
The problem is a case actually has to fuck up hard enough to be appealed, and with an 85% success rate we know Red Flag laws are being applied properly.

>>1349691
the NRA is broke and irrelevant to everyone except gun grabbers.
>85% success rate we know Red Flag laws are being applied properly
we should disarm all blacks

>>1349691
the
>muh russians are paying the NRA
was $2,500 for membership fees. meanwhile all the anti gun groups are literally run by jewish billionaires like bloomberg
>and with an 85% success rate we know Red Flag laws are being applied properly.
nope, not a single red flag in the entire US has ever been applied properly

1349870
too bad non-American opinions don't matter
seethe harder

>>1349927
I'm American, unlike you, obongo and harris

Obama and Harris are more American than >>1349947 will ever be

>>1350398
nope. obongo and harris aren't even US citizens

Yep, Obama and Harris are US citizens and >>1350421 will never be

>>1350463
nope, they were born in kenya and india

>they were born in kenya and india
nope, >>1350467 can't prove it and Obama and Harris are more American than >>1350467 will ever be