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Leon Lederman won a Nobel Prize in 1988 for his pioneering physics research.

But in 2015, the physicist, who passed away Wednesday, sold his Nobel Prize medal for $765,000 to pay his mounting medical bills. The University of Chicago professor began to suffer from memory loss in 2011, and died in an Idaho nursing home.

In a lot of ways (and as others have observed) Lederman’s story represents the best and worst of America. Lederman was born in the 1920s to a father who worked in a laundry facility. He went on to discover the Higgs boson subatomic particle, the so-called “God particle” that you can read more about here.

But even an accomplished physicist and university professor isn’t immune from America’s sky-high health care prices. The United States routinely has health care prices well-above the rest of the world. A day in an American hospital, for examples, costs an average of $5,220 here — compared to $765 in Australia or $424 in Spain.

The cost of receiving care in a nursing home can also present a significant burden. A private room in a nursing facility costs, on average, $7,698 per month. And Medicare, which covers the vast majority of Americans over 65, generally does not cover long-term nursing care.

Many Americans do end up getting Medicaid to cover nursing home bills — but that often requires selling off significant assets and dwindling down savings in order to fall below the public program’s income requirements.

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2018/10/4/17936626/leon-lederman-nobel-prize-medical-bills
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>American Healthcare system
And remember, Republicans want to make it even worse for people like Lederman.
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Womp womp
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>>298569
Why'd you delete and repost this?

Was it the response about Dr. James Watson being driven to sell his in order to provide for his basic needs of food and shelter after SJWs attempted to destroy him following a comment about racial disparities.

I find it hard to empathize with your political football.
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>>298569
Gentle reminder that Lederman wanted 'goddamn particle', the final title being the editor's fault.
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>>298569
Proves the university of Chicago has shit benefits
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>>298571
>implying that the democrats have the answer
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>>298618
The entire rest of the world has the answer you willful idiot
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If he was so smart, why didnt he have health Insurance?

Check Mate, atheists
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>>298769
Kek
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>>298713
>The entire rest of the world has the answer you willful idiot
Deny him coverage and let him die like Alfie Evans?
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>>298837
If they were in the US, not only would they have a dead child but also debilitating medical bills so your emotional appeal falls flat.
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>>298854
>If they were in the US, not only would they have a dead child but also debilitating medical bills
Well they weren't allowed to go to the US, they were explicitly told they couldn't leave and their child had to die, so I guess we'll never know for sure.
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>>298858
No, we know. The US healthcare system is very expensive compared to other countries. The average daily rate of a hospital stay in the US is $5200, compared to $765 in Australia. A coronary bypass is like $70k in the US, meanwhile in the UK it's around $20k. Since the kid needed specialist care, you know damn well sure that their daily rate would have been more than $5200 a day.
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>>298837
>brain had started to turn into goo
>b-but he could still be saved
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>>298868
>No, we know.
No, we don't.

>Since the kid needed specialist care, you know damn well sure that their daily rate would have been more than $5200 a day
There were multiple offers from people and organizations willing to cover the complete cost of his treatment, not just in the US.
For Christs sake, the Vatican offered to both pay for and treat him in Vatican city and the UK refused to let his parents take him there for free treatment.

>>298869
>brain had started to turn into goo
Excellent diagnosis doctor, I see you too went to NewGrounds Medical School.
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>>298873
You either don't live in the US or don't pay your own medical bills.

Also, his brain was literally goo. Multiple MRI scans confirmed that his brain was just water and cerebral-spino fluid.
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>>298873
>In their judgement, the High Court stated that an MRI scan taken in February 2018 revealed that "[Alfie's] brain [was] entirely beyond recovery" and that "the brain was now only able to generate seizure" with "progressive destruction of the white matter of the brain which Dr R interpreted as now appearing almost identical to water and cerebrospinal fluid (CSF)."

Yeah you were right, it wasn't goo but water. Sorry.
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>>298874
>You either don't live in the US or don't pay your own medical bills.
0 for 2.

>>298874
>>298875
>Yeah you were right, it wasn't goo but water. Sorry.
No problem! I'm just glad we can all gather to celebrate the wonderful precedent set here that the government can not only deny you healthcare, but can specifically prevent you from seeking any further treatment out of it's jurisdiction and effectively sentence you to death. Alfie's passing was a wondrous victory for socialized medicine.

I'm sure the precedent set here won't be abused at all, especially not by the UK government. After all they're just here to look out for us, right guys?
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>>298879
>the governement should have kept paying thousand of eurobucks for an half-dead baby with no brain

Nah
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>>298882
>>the government should have kept paying thousand of eurobucks for an half-dead baby with no brain
See
>the Vatican offered to both pay for and treat him in Vatican city
The UK gov't had to pay absolutely nothing, all they had to do was let his parents take him to Italy.
They literally spent more money housing him and putting him under guard, and forcing his parents to let him die.
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>>298879
I'm not aware of any treatment to turn water and csf into brain, no matter how much free health Care one has
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>>298887
Sorry burger but facts>feelings

1)They couldn't have saved him. Killing him avoided everyone to have to take care of a waste of flesh.
2)Transport was impossible. He already suffered seizure when they tried to move him earlier so flying him over an ocean was just useless use of jet fuel.
3)shitalians would probably have thrown him out of the window mid-flight and replaced him by a look-alike puppet before announcing 2 month later that the child died despite their best efforts. What a bunch of sleezy cunts
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>>298899
>Sorry burger but facts>feelings
So the Vatican wasn't willing to pay for transport and treatment, and the UK didn't force his parents to let him die in a room surrounded by armed guards. Gotcha.

>Killing him avoided everyone to have to take care of a waste of flesh.
Only a socialist could be this dehumanizing and think they were on the right side of an argument.

Again, I'm just glad this precedent won't be abused, and I'm sure you guys defending it will never have it used against you or a loved one. Everyone knows the government always has a measured, proportionate response, like with mass surveillance and arresting people for mean tweets.
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>>298902
As I already explained the UK governement did a good thing by avoiding everyone to waste any more time and money on this, despite blleding hearts faggots all over the world screaming and howling because of their tiny feelings.

>You're a socialist
Ok, Don Quixiote. Be careful of those windmills.

>this precedent won't be abused

Even if it does, why should I care? I'm not a bongoloid.
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>>298905
>As I already explained the UK governement did a good thing by avoiding everyone to waste any more time and money on this
Because the UK government totally has the ability to decide for other parties and entire other governments, what is and isn't wasteful spending.

>>Ok, Don Quixiote. Be careful of those windmills.
>defends socialized medicine
>recoils at being called a socialist
Okay comrade.

>Even if it does, why should I care? I'm not a bongoloid.
There are people who think emulating bongoloids is a step forward, and are actively fighting to bring bongoloid practices to other countries.
See: this thread.

Also curious, given that Lederman died of dementia- a disease to which there currently is no cure, why should he have been allowed to seek further treatment?
Following the logic used in this thread, he shouldn't have been allowed to sell his Nobel Prize and should have been force to die because nothing could be done for him.
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>>298569
>But even an accomplished physicist and university professor isn’t immune from America’s sky-high health care prices. The United States routinely has health care prices well-above the rest of the world. A day in an American hospital, for examples, costs an average of $5,220 here — compared to $765 in Australia or $424 in Spain.
What's sad is that the additional costs rarely result in better care. In many ways the hospital care provided in the U.S. is no better, and even worse by some measures, than the care provided in other 1st world countries.
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>>298569
Doesn't the Nobel Prize include a $1 million cash prize?

I'm sorry this man fell on hard times and I hope he rests in peace, but where did all the money go?

Perhaps the lesson here is not about the US health care system, but seeking competent financial planning.

Additionally, $765,000 \ $7698 per month for a private room in a nursing home gives just over eight years. Where was this guy staying? Was he living in a region of the country far beyond his income to expenditure ratio?
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>>298569
Did he forget the money they give with the nobel prize?
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>>298921
Sorry but this is just random rambling and far reaching argument. I'll just stop there. I can't help but notice that yet again, an american was overwhelmed by my massive superior european intellect.

>but british are european too!
No
>But I've learned this in school
An AMERICAN school, anon.
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>>298938
>Doesn't the Nobel Prize include a $1 million cash prize?
It varies, but in the 80s the payout was supposedly around $350k, and that money gets divided if there's multiple winners. In 1988, there were three winners for physics. So Lederman likely received a little over $100k, and that's before taxes.
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I've been looking into the Alfie Evans case. Seems to me the courts ruled in favor of the child and against the parents. He was unrecoverable according to literally everyone but the dumbass parents, so they ruled he shouldn't be forced to undergo more treatment and suffer more. This has nothing to do with their socialized healthcare. If we implemented a single-payer system in the US we could also pass a bill barring things like the UK's decision in the Alfie Evans case (though I wouldn't support it).
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>>298936
Where is the money going to then?
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>>298953
To the people that charge you? What do you mean? They just charge you way fucking more and give you nothing for it.
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>>298953
The increased cost? I think it's mostly administration costs incurred because of our fucked up insurance industry and pharmacy prices being mostly unregulated.
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>>298950
I found the actual numbers. In 1988, 2,500,000 SEK was awarded. Based on the exchange rates at the time, it would have been around $275,000, before being split between the three winners and prior to taxes. Falling into the 28% tax bracket at the time, and after splitting the winnings, he would have cleared about $66k, equivalent to $140k today.
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FREEDOM MAGA
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>>298837
>brain has turned to water, kid is a vegetable, no cure possible, cause unknown
>n-noo save him! save him
Fucking bleeding heart liberals, kid was dead, it was a mercy letting him pass and would have been cruel to keep him "alive" any longer
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>>298953
It's called profit
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>>298837
Nope. Rest of the world gives people healthcare.
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>>299022
And what healthcare should the kid have received? He was in a vegetative state, the best he could hope for was a painless death, with alternative of being kept alive by tubes as a research specimen
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>>298618
They do:
Universal, single-payer health care.
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>>299893
>Universal, single-payer health care.
Wrists there question? "How to impoverish a nation?"
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>>299909
Funny thing about literally every other health care system in the world, they are all cheaper with the same patient outcomes
Comparing healthcare to other first world countries is embarrassing
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>>299918
>same patient outcomes
Let's ignore the fact that these other countries' healthcare systems float on a sea of pharmaceuticals almost exclusively developed for initial release in the US market if not by US companies. The systems you laude become downright inhumane and begin to resemble ranching operations more than medicine. It's the inevitable conclusion of a policy which must allocate limited resources to an increasing population with increasing demands.
https://www.weeklystandard.com/wesley-j-smith/jumping-off-the-moral-cliff-the-problem-with-legal-euthanasia-and-organ-donation
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>>299980
That was one dumb ass article honestly.
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>>299909
Every projection, even the ones done by highly conservative think tanks show that a single payer plan would deliver significant cost savings and coverage increases.
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>>299980
hilarious fud, I am always surprised by the lengths people like you go to
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Did anyone have a healthcare solution that requires everyone to pay into the system proportionally, but doesn't dramatically lower quality of care (Cuba and UK), doesn't create massive rationing (Canada) , isn't a slush fund of fraud (medicare), and prevents abuse by assholes that don't pay into the system (illegals and poor that use the ER for sniffles)
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>>300048
I don't know what you're perceived problems are with single payer but its a hell of a lot more effective and cheaper than America's shitty healthcare system.
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>>298569
absolute states of america
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>>300100
kek
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>>298569
The answer is less insurance you idiots.
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>>300048
Massive rationing in Canada ? You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
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>>300048
>poor that use the ER for sniffles
I dunno about illegals but poor people don't do this. The ER still charges you, the difference is that federal law requires them to treat you, regardless of your financial status, and requires them to treat you NOW instead of giving you an appointment five months away after asking for proof of insurace so they know you can pay.

Poor people don't go to the ER for sniffles, they just take over the counter cheap meds and hope it goes away without even seeking preventative care. If that doesn't work they try to tank it until it's crippling, then go to the ER because the alternative is dying.

Then of course they get saddled with crippling debt and kill themselves any way, wasting everyone's time. Really good system.
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>>300048
>dramatically lower quality of care (UK)
the UK has better patient care outcomes than the US and costs less per patient
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>>300013
If you’re talking about the Koch’s brothers projection then no it doesn’t show we’ll save money. The Koch’s were specifically using the assumptions laid out by Bernie, which they believe to be unrealistic
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>>300195
No, that's exactly what it shows, provided Bernie is correct. And his prepositions make perfect sense to me.
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>>298899
>3)shitalians would probably have thrown him out of the window mid-flight and replaced him by a look-alike puppet before announcing 2 month later that the child died despite their best efforts. What a bunch of sleezy cunts
This a prime example of the strawman fallacy.
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>>300785
You've obviously never met an Italian
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>>300048
> abuse by assholes that don't pay into the system (illegals and poor that use the ER for sniffles)
Illegals don't use the ER. At all. Every ER has police on duty. If you are illegal, you WILL be caught. ICE will be called.

It's a big reason why food plants like Perdue Farms hire their own private doctors and run employee clinics. Healthy workers show up to work.

> poor that use the ER for sniffles
In most ERs, you will be put on the bottom of the triage list. That's an 8- to 12-hour waiting list in my city. The only people who do that are the homeless.

A clue: the homeless aren't looking for treatment. They're looking for a warm couch to sleep on. They used to camp at the airport, but the TSA has cracked down on that.





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