Are German cars hard to work on like American mechanics say?
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>>2871046025+ year old kraut cars are easy to work onnewer kraut cars suck absolute balls
>>28710460In a BMW, to properly replace the battery, you need to connect a computer and first check the battery type (standard or AGM). Second, you need to check the battery's coded capacity. Third, when you install a new one, you need to tell the car that it has a new one and change the parameters so it knows how to charge it. The car itself checks the battery and decides the charging voltage.
>>28710460Compared to newer American cars, they're about the same at least until you need a special tool. Just follow the manual. Something like a 911 can be tedious for what would ostensibly be a simple job like changing the spark plugs.
>>28710460not hard just pointless. the manufacturer doesnt give a fuck about the car since they build them to rental specs, the owners dont care about shit except "cutting up" in traffic, then you come by trying to nurse a rental back to health when you could have started with a clean base.
>>28710502wtf are you on about?
mutts are generally just dumb, most cars in yurop are 20+ y/o bmws and mercs>>28710478on bmw you have to code your battery if you changed its capacity type (75ah to 80ah agm for example)thats it, takes 10 mins with a 15 dollar cable
>>28710516>most cars in yurop are 20+ y/o bmws and mercsBut the most popular car is volkswagen
>>28710516>15 dollar cable>*bricks your ecu*implessive
>>28710532who are you quoting?
>>28710534your mom when she came on my cock last night
>>28710565post car
Germans overengineer for the sake of it.Americans underengineer for the sake of it.Japanese do it just right.
>>28710532Press one button to tell ecu that new battery is in. Its literally reseting adaptation. Wtf any ape uses smart phones but doing simple reset is too much of work
>>28710576Remember anon mixed gas for your lawn mower.
>Audi alternator replacement >step 1: drain coolant
>>28710617"vorsprung durch technik"
>>28710620To be fair. Audi finally got their timing chain shit sorted, just took 12 years. IIRC the crazy timing chain had to do with cylinder deactivation and getting around the various cylinder deactivation patents held by other companies. The EA825 (their current v8) is fairly straight forward for a dohc motor.
>>28710460Those retarded krauts put timing chains on the fucking firewall and you think it's just Americans who hate them?Theres a reason the Germans are the biggest losers in the world..TWICE... because they can't build anything that makes sense.
>>28710670Hey retard, that chain is still on the wrong side of the engine. They didn't get shit sorted besides finding new ways to get krautsuckers like you to buy
>>28710702It's only the wrong side if you need to replace it. Keeping it on the same side of the crankshaft as the clutch reduces forces and wear by literal tons.
>>28710726>Cars never break bro, so this is actually a good heckin design!I'll say it with my chest this time. YOUAREASUCKERWHOFALLSFORGIMMICKS
My friend’s E46 has a leaking oil pan gasket and we need to take the entire K member off before even touching it. Absolute kraut retardation that was not necessary.
>>28710727Timing chains aren't supposed to fail, no. That's the whole reason they're a thing, otherwise every engine would still be belt-driven. Obviously they still do, but I'm just saying. There's a reason things are built the way they are. You're not smarter than engineers.
older ones are less bad but parts supply is ass.newer ones i'd rather be shot fuckoff
>>28710726germans would literally rather die than have a 2 sprocket chain drive with dual rollers that last forever.
>>28710739They'd rather die than have an engine that makes 50hp per liter and I don't blame them.
>>28710731>aren't ment to failWhat in the drunk pregancy are you talking about, wow you ARE dumb holy shit. Timing chains last exceptionally long even for standard, repairable configurations. Like 300k miles long minimum.That doesn't mean it's not going to fail nor ever fail. You're genuinely stupid like a child hiding behind the legs of the engineers that sold you this stupidity. Like have you ever heard of diminishing returns? You get 5% more durability for 100% more expensive to repair assuming you'd even find someone that would bother doing it (because I know damn well you're a wrenchlet with shit for brains)I am smarter than German engineers because my engineering is what buck broke the Arians. Twice.
>>28710761I'm just telling you why things are the way they are and you are clearly taking it personally because you are a mental midget and probably also not white. It really is impossible to have any kind of intelligent conversation on this board. I can't imagine being so cognitively deficient that I let a sub-sect of automobiles from one country in particular live rent free in my head and make me seethe with rage.
>>28710761You're a fucking wrenchlet retard bro. Replacing a timing chain is no different than a belt. Fucking get off this board pseud autistic reddit spacing faggot.
>>28710761Holy larp! You will never be an American.
Nowadays there's the same tech in every car and they're all terrible to work on.
>>28710753>hp/Luseless eurocope metricthe most powerful V8 of all time is american, btw
>>28710769It's just cope from some fag who bought a dumbass american car and is locked-in to it now and can't do anything about it other than seethe and cope.
For almost any car built after 2010 the odds of your engine or transmission not lasting the life of the car with proper maintenance is close to zero. It's the electronics that kill cars now and they're equally bad on everything.
>>28710867Hello gramps, your brain is stuck in 1996. It's actuall 100% the opposite.
>>28710769>>28710775>>28710838You retards will never justify a timing chain on the firewall no matter how pathetic you krautsuckers get. Talk to me when you have your ASE certifications you test tube rejects
>>28710867Software*
>>28710670Firstly and most fundamentally wrong with Audi from an operational standpoint is they design the cars completely on a computer and if an engineer wants to actually see the parts and prototypes they have to drive like 3 hours to get them, needless to say it doesn’t happen for a team of engineers to see the car. But the pros of the system is amazing engineering in terms of tech and packaging. The downside is that it’s all completely designed by people who literally haven see what it will be like to fix.The timing chain meme is both genius and stupid at the same time. Really who ever ok’d the plastic chain tensioners should be shot for the amount of needles Labour hours wasted. But the reality is that Audi has to fit a V8 in a very small space becuase of the AWD and GM V8 really wouldn’t work as well.
>>28710753pretty sure mine makes like 66hp per liter but even if it didn't lazy v8s are still better than most pissed off euro 4s
>>28710472b5 s4 is 25+ years old
>>28710460Depends on the model, which one do you have in mind?Good repairability has not been a priority for Mercedes, Porsche, BMW or Audi. The cars are popular so there is a lot of good documentation on how to repair things, in forums and on Youtube. Lots of models have an excellent supply of spare parts in Germany/Europe. No idea about America.With AI chat bots you do probably do not need German or Google translate to comb through a lot of stuff.Not everything is complicated, many things can be done easily. Often you have little space to work, an E39 is much more pleasant in that regard than an E46 for example. The components have been developed by different teams preferring different ways to connect things and that shows.However once you get how things are connected it's often easy and quick to do it.In my opinion Japanese cars are not necessarily better to work upon if you consider everything, it depends on the model.
>>28711416This. It just depends. >american cars usually need the fuel tank dropped to access the fuel pump.>a lot of german cars have an access port to the top of the fuel tank by popping out a rear seat cushion that takes literal seconds to access. >suspensions are largely similar designs regardless of make model or nationIt really just depends.
>>28710600for me it's complicating it more than it really needs to be
>>28710775that anon was talking about timing chains up against the firewall though
I don't know about cars, but American printing presses are a shitload easier to work on than German ones. K.I.S.S. is a foreign concept to German engineers. Off the top of my head, here's an example: So in this kind of printing, a squeegee will smash down onto a flat surface and swipe it at a constant pressure and speed. FYI the press is hooked up to a compressor supplying 110 PSIAmerican design - Air in, distributed to valve that chops squeegee down, valve connected to hand adjustable regulator to adjust how much pressure the squeegee will chop, supplemental mechanical stops on squeegee provided in case customer wishes to use that instead of regulated pressure. German press: air in distributed to squeegee system, through a main relief valve provided to dump air in case of an emergency that never happens, with an electronic regulator connected to a digital/analog converter on PLC which then connects to a valve, which then connect to the squeegee cylinders which are encased in a print head and nearly inaccessible without major disassembly but pretty.
>>28710460I spent several years working at a shop that specialized in E36-F8x M3s and also did some water-cooled Porsche work. It's not so much that they're actually hard, more that everything just operates on a completely different logic to American or Japanese cars. There are a lot of "what the fuck is this?" moments when you're not used to working on them but it eventually starts making sense. They do require a lot of specialty tools and equipment, some of it way outside the reach of home mechanics, and you do run into stuff that's comically overengineered but it's more time consuming and tedious to deal with than actually hard.
Like others said, it depends. My e30 i can fix with simple hand tools and nothing is that complex. My 2019 bmw is so cramped under the hood it took me an hour and a half to do air filters.
>>28710516it takes 0 minutes on my car because it wasn't made by retards
>>28710516>most cars in Yurop are 20 year oldsNice bold lie, faglord.
>>2871075382 hp/l
>why does your car of having one timing chains? We don't do that IN GERMANY??>why don't you reprogram your car whenever you change your battery like we do IN GERMANY??>lug nuts? We dont do that IN GERMANY!!
>>28712606The American brain does not understand the beauty of German engineering.
>>28712724I hope to god that is AI because... just fuck.
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>>28712724>American suspension compresses evenly>German suspension has undue stress while parked, leading to more frequent maintenance requirements>it's a made up image anyway
>>28710460My anecdote for German engineering is the time my wife totalled her VW by topping off the coolant. She used the green stuff because that's what they had in bumblefuck usa, but guess what happens when you mix the regular green coolant available fucking everywhere and so ubiquitous throughout automotive history as to be the default in everybody's mind with VW's red?That's right. It turns to literal jelly in the radiator.Her fault, you say? Should have read the labels? Absolutely.But who the fuck specs a fluid that turns to jelly when mixed with the more commonly available conventional alternative? German engineers, that's who. Creating new ways to fuck up things we already had figured out.
>>28710731>You're not smarter than engineers.Yeah I'm not smarter than doctors either *doesn't inject self with myocarditis*
>>28710670Too bad they never got the Audisteer shit sorted
How do engineers sleep at night knowing they make such mechanical abominations?
>>28712755My friend's boomer dad did that with his VW CC, it was a real mess to clean up but it wasn't totaled. Jiffy lube somehow did that with my Miata back in the day too, my dad just opened the drain plug on the radiator and flushed it out with a garden hose.
>>28712746That’s so it can clear the axel. Kinda reminds me of that German WW2 gun barrel that was bent so you could shoot around a corner. At least that’s a coil spring setup and not airbags!
>>28710460Yeah, if you're a room temp IQ oil monkey.
>>28710532Skill issue
>>28710460You like your workd auto bubble ford dies next lies gm and chysler
>>28710670hate the patent kike, simple as
>>28712724>AIslop>>28712746bruh wth even is ts lmao
>>28712755IDK how it is in muttland but in EU different colour coolant is for different block materials/coolant lines inserts. They gunk up if you drive like a retard with the wrong type of coolant because it will erode your shit.
>>28713180Personally, soundly and naked in case somebody wants to eat my ass. But I don't work in the automotive industry so not sure it counts.
any actual car enthusiast knows that american cars are trash compared to european and japanese carsthere is a different charm to it though
>>28710472sure, if you work on a damn Golftry to deal with the MILLION vacuum leaks, electrical gremlins and control arms that every german manufacturer threw at their cars and you'll realise that all german cars suck ballsbut it's true that newer cars suck more than older cars simply because they have EVEN MORE vacuum and fluid lines and sensors that start to whine about every change in barometric pressure
>>28713465hivemind midwit take
>>28714289As is the opposite.
>>28712752That AI suspension wouldn't compress at all, it's a fucking triangle.
>>28714317That's supposed to be an overhead showing off the steering system
