I so wish suits and dealeroids wouldn't have fucked its run up out of greed
Everything is considered a "premium item" nowadays.
>>28726355Even food.
>>28726357thanks, joe
>>28726343Sexiest car. Wanted more than Supra. Not at that price. Not without an LSD. Not that soft. Not that with that much turbo lag.My cope also now extends to the super-cramped engine bay. TT 300Z all over again.OP picture is sex.
>>28726410>>28726343I got a new Performance Z for $40k somehow; at that price it's literally the best car on the market over the past 20 years. Even now, there are plenty of new Performance Zs going for below $45k which is an absolute steal
>>28726343If the front end didnt look like shit i unironically would have bought one.
>>28726454front-end looks absolutely fine. You can also do the 300zx headlight mod.
>>28726448Winning.>>28726454stfu Miata, come back to my CTR thread and hate on me there, the Z looks good and at 40k, holy shit.But I bet if I looked now, the manual Performance ones would be closer to 50 before tax.
>>28726343Even the nu GT-R was a flop. What did you expect from this company?
>>28726448I checked prices within half the country of me 54k min for manual. They might go for 50k. Maybe even 50k OTD, but I am sure they won't go lower.
>>28726465Yeah, sticker price on a manual performance Z is about $45.5-49k depending on your location based on a cursory online listing search
I spoke too soon, I am seeing 51.5*, if those discounts aren't bullshit, but that's the lowest I see, so I don't know where you are getting 45.At 40-45k, it's a better overall deal than a GT or CTR, at 55, not even close imo. * https://www.btnissan.com/new-vehicles/nissan-z/and this is with some "Nissan Customer Cash" bullshit that I am sure they will find an excuse not to count
>>28726343No
>>28726457>You can also do the 300zx headlight modwha?
>>28726457This is genuinely horrible. It's beyond being subjectively bad, this is objectively bad by all measurable metrics.
>>28726503Man, it looks fine, better than the Supra and the Mustang and those look fine. Well, maybe only the prev gen mustang looks fine, but you know what I mean.Also, you hurt my feels in the other thread.>At 3200lbs you're literally dragging ass behind you 24/7rude
>>28726410What are you talking about, it has like zero turbo lag and the performance trim has a lsd
Shouldve looked like this
How much does it weigh? The only problem with the 370, despite being ugly, was the colossal weight.
>>28726503luckily nissan has a massive aftermarket tuning and bodykit game
>>28726554370z was not a lightweight it wasn't that heavy, 3,400-3,500 lbs
Too bad they’re dog shit slow and pig fat>v6 TT>gets walked by a salvage focus with a few simple modsYeah I felt bad for the owner
>>287265651.64 tonnes seems heavy to me.
>>28726483Sounds like a good deal to me.You just got to get with the times. >>28726567You own a FWD shitbox, i would rather walk than drive that junk
>>28726627>FWD shitbox Yes, and yet it out performs the Nissan by every metric for a fraction of the price That’s exactly my point. The new Z is a huge flop. Btw let’s see your ride. Retard lol
>>28726647>yet it out performs the Nissan by every metricDoubt + fwd lacks sovl, metrics don't matter kek if i cared about metrics id just get a tesla model 3 and smoke your car anyways > Btw let’s see your ridechallenger hellcat widebody demon 170 redeye
>>28726343I so wish you bunch of useless retards would realize that you can get far better cars for 10K in a used buy here pay here lot instead of buying this Nu-Tragedeigh
>>28726567>>28726647slow piece of shit... i can smoke the fuck out of this in my 1994 EG hatch with a couple of simple mods:>10 point cage with Parachute>3 piece discontinued JoJo frontend>spec-R full drag suspension>Fuel cell with -8 lines from tank to motor>1 044 bosch pump>1200 rc injectors>golden eagle sleeved block>cp 10:1 pistons>Eagle rods>arp headstuds>oem h22 headgasket>Balance shaft delete>competition clutch twin disc>Port and polished head>skunk2 valve springs and retainers>Str cam gears>crower stage 1 cams>aluminium radiator with slim fan>gsr transmission with itr lsd.>qsd h2k intake manifold adapter>k20 rbc manifold>qsd throttle body spacer>blox 70mm throttle body>4bar omni map sensor>6al msd with coil and cap. 3 step launch control>hks bov>Garret 102mm turbocharger.>Custom t4 front facing turbo manifold with 44mm flange>44mm tial wastegate>Custom water to air intercooler set up>aem eugo wideband w/ gauge>tuned on chipped p28>13 inch volks drag rims>2 15 inch volks rear rims>arp extended wheel studs>si cluster>150 shots of nitrousim making 348 horsepower to the FRONT WHEELS because thats the only place the power should ever be
>>28726653>id rather walk than drive a FWDIs that what you tell yourself when you’re walking to the bus stop?>>28726660Literally no better way to spend $10k
>>28726681>if you don't like focuses and civic shitboxes then you must be a busriderkek
>>28726448for 40k i can get a 20-year-old shitbox nobody would ever consider fast and make it into a 10 second car, and then get 2 more shitboxes and make them each into 12 second cars
>>28726716You make it obvious with your babbling and coping Am I wrong? Let’s see the shitbox. We’ll wait.
>>28726503Tfw speculating journo renders looked better
>>28726343>be me>loved this cars design since it first came out>impossible to find>seen 1 in the wild and it looked amazing>car basically doesn't exist and I wasn't allowed to sit in it at the national car show because it was locked>this year, looking for a new car within my budget>Nissan booth lets you sit in the Z this year. Toyota also letting you sit in the Zupra this year.>Mention to my wife that I would love one of these cars but it's not practical>she chats with the information person who informs us nissan is doing 10k off MSRP for 2 months>wife says we have a second car with 4 seats so as long as I get the manual version it makes sense to get a fun car>call around different dealers the following week>nobody willing to let me test drive it unless i commit to buying it first>one dealer has a 6mt in stock, yellow, performance trim, says I can drive it>test drive it and buy it>fucking love this car>constant thumbs up and waves from people as I drive to work everydayAsk me any questions if you want ;)
>>28726768Any planned mods? Here's what I would do if I had one:>EngineFrom what I can tell, there's almost literally no point to swapping intakes or exhaust if you're not swapping downpipes or turbos. I'd probably just get a stock tune (probably from SonicTuned) and call it a day>SuspensionI dunno, maybe swap it out for the Nismo stuff and add a bit of chassis bracing>TiresTear up the stock tires, then get PS4S or ECS02 ASAP>MiscI dunno, maybe get a tie rod for track days?
>>28726774>any modsNo. The Z forums are full of people doing downpipes, bolted on wings (ugly), tunes, suspension drops, intake manifolds, intercooler upgrades etc... It all seems like a waste to me. I do NOT plan to track this car. This is my fun daily driver car and I have no complaints with how it drives. There is also a lot of debate about what oil to run and if the engines are prone to failure, but every failure is on a tuned car so far.I will admit the stock tires are as bad as people say. I thought they were just trying to justify new tires but I literally installed winter tires and it already handles better. The stock tires follow every little bump and crack in the road and if you drive with one hand it will jerk the wheel out of your hand. The only 'mod' I have done is a set of white interior LEDs to replace the low powered warm lighting. I'm thinking about doing the aluminum drain pan upgrade but for now I am sampling my oil and changing it every 6,000km. I would also LOVE to upgrade the back up camera. It's blurry, mounted at a slight angle and has a 1 second delay when turning on but only some of the time. It's hilarious how bad it is.
>>28726785Fair enough. I'd realistically only do the tune (mostly to remove the top speed limiter, but the efficiency + power gains are also nice) and tires (because they're so much better).Everything else isn't really worth the price from what I can tell
>>28726553zamn
>>28726343>Take a 10 year old engine>Drop it in a 20 year old chassis>Add 30 year old styling cues>Somehow, it's still extremely competitive in its price bracketHow does Nissan keep doing this bros????
>>28726797I can understand doing mods if you are tracking the car or if you have deep pockets. My last car was a 200hp Turbo Kia Forte. It weighed the same as the Z. I didn't even realize how fucking fast this car is until going 3/4 throttle in 3rd gear on an open road. I used to drive my Kia aggressively but have never had a higher powered car. To me, this feels like more than enough power and I honestly bought it because it's Manual, RWD and Yellow. I was willing to compromise on 1 of those things when looking for a new car.I strongly considered the Zupra but it doesn't have an external trunk button, the trunk opening is too small for a hockey bag the visibility is no good and I don't like the BMW interior components. The Yellow Zupra looks fucking great, especially from the back, but I think the Z looks just as good if not better. The discount on the Z sealed the deal for me as well. I strongly agree that Nissan priced these things 10k too high.
>>28726803
Should I trade my Mustang EB for a base Z?
>>28726503For a new car it looks pretty good. Honestly the thing that sucks about it is the side profile, artless blob just like all Zs
>>28726881Just get a real mustang
>>28726984looks good but you don't see many Zs on the road
>>28726984mustang vs mustang, japan is an easy choice sorry bro. Also the Z is a lot shorter and easier to park if you dont need backseats
>>28726503I agree, it is an ugly car from all angles except the back.
>>28727154>>28726984The Z has a proper suspension setup and looks better. It looks better in person, whereas a mustang looks ok in photos but is a fat pig in person. I’m not a fan of musclecars, but if I were the Z would be a top contender (double wishbones, good power, good looks, manual transmission, good steering feel).
>>28726748Why does it matter what i drive? it's RWD and has 8 cylinders. You'll just cope about being able to walk it in your focus (doubt). You're clearly delusional anyway.
>>28726803>>28726846> Manual, RWD and YellowBased. And that faggot bench racer won’t post fast tracks because he knows the CTR will get walked. Civic laptime also isn’t stockhttps://lapmeta.com/it/lap/detail/6988#:~:text=Watch%20as%20I%20drive%20my,ever%2C%20at%20Streets%20of%20Willow.&text=Round%203%20of%20Honda%20Time,the%20GoPro%20a%20bit%20sideways.
>>28727335Z looks better than the Mustang, but the gen 5 mustang is a real looker on its own merits. Unfortunately anon got the gen 6 which is a significant step down, but still better looking than 95 percent of Euroslop cars on the road
>>28726376repeat it til it's true
>>28727338>>28727338>I have a car but you can’t see it…. Because!!!!Thanks for the laugh
>retarded namefag>crowing over shitboxes and attempting to derail the threadpicrel>>28726803>Nissan priced these things 10k too highIf Nissan let you add an LSD and Performance wheels + brakes to the Sport for $5k, it'd sell like hotcakes lolEven as is, it's doing quite well for its segment. The next best selling Japanese sports car (GR86) sold about half as many units as the Z. It's even somewhat competitive in terms of sales with the Mustang if you take out the Ecoboom trims
>>28726454front is fine plus it's easy to make it look different
>>28726846When I was cross shopping for my next possible car I looked at the Civic Type R and the Acura (I forget the model) that had manual transmissions. Every reviewer says the transmission is the best in the world and I really considered it. It just didn't seem "cool" enough for me to go from a Hatchback Kia Forte to a Honda at that price. I still think the Acura looks amazing and the interior specs are awesome but again, it didn't come in yellow or RWD. I also think the styling of the Z is 10/10 and the Civic type R is 5/10 with excessive plastic that does nothing.>>28726984>Yellow>RWD>Manual>V8I also compared the stang and the Camaro but they don't evoke that same "holy fuck I love how this car looks" feeling that my Z gives me. I do turn my head when I see a newer mustang though (not the EV).>>28727103>Easier to parkI've had the car for 8 months now and still can't park this fucking thing. I have backed into a spot with nobody around and when I get out I see the front left of my car touching the line and the back right is touching the line. I've seen people complain about the camera being mounted at an angle and I believe it. I rely only on my right side mirror to line up the parking stall lines now. And the front end is really hard to judge distance with. Thank the japanese gods for the fucking parking sensors.>>28727343Laptimes don't bother me. Straight line speed doesn't bother me. I was sitting at a light next to a newer 4 door audi. Off the line he was gone and around the corner before I shifted into 3rd gear. 1st and 2nd are so short in the Z. I'm also assuming he was in an automatic. The Z also HATES fast shifting and will jerk around like crazy.
>>28726503The headlamps are the weakest point, and all for an autistic throwback.
bro posted a novel about how "it doesn't matter" his new sports car is slower than a civic.. Lol
>>28726343Possibly the most soulful car in production today
>>28728293CTR fag here with same cross shopping story. I can't say I made the wrong or right choice either. I do like the way the Z looks way better and RWD does win hard, but then I get into reliability, space in engine bay, soft suspension, Nissan going out of business, interior which is more fitting of a GR86, etc and it becomes a wash. In short, I don't think there is a clear right choice there.CTR shifter isn't any better than my 2009 Si shifter, literally, and the clutch travel is longer (but that could be because I fucked with it when I did clutch/flywheel/fork/bearing/etc). CAN grind second, but it's pretty rare.>>28728297The list of cars faster than a Civic under 100k is like 10 cars long, it's here: >>28728684I would take the Supra over the Civic any day if money wasn't an issue or the C7 Z06 if money wasn't an issue and I wanted to wrench. Other than that, I don't see many choices. Sometimes I actually think of going to the GR86 for the poor boy points.
>>28726567Badass minivan
>2 fiat 500 turbosNo thanks
>>28726567I wish I had dreams as grandiose as yours>>28726785when the vr30 was in the (now discontinued) Q50/60, most of the failures were people running map 6 on a JB4 piggyback or dirty oil locking up the engine oil pressure control solenoid. I'm dyno tuned on Z1 turbos making 500whp and I beat the absolute piss out of it. I put 25k miles on it on an email tune from AMS before that and it's been perfect. The turbos I took off were in perfect health. I changed them out because I wanted the bigger ball bearing Z1s. long story short; I'm worst case scenario owner for the vr30 and it's held up great
>>28726503This looks sexy as fuck. Anything that doesn't have those stupid angry headlights now is a step in the right direction. You have shit taste.
>>28728297That civic is slower than a Tesla. Doesn't matter to me. A Kia Forte comes with air cooled front seats, memory drivers seat, heated rear seats and a heated steering wheel. Yet people will buy an Audi or BMW that doesn't have those luxuries. Just get whatever car you enjoy.>>28728690>space in the engine bayThis does concern me. I'm a mechanic though and I have lifts at work so I'm not too bothered. I'd rather not replace timing chain guides or injectors or remove any major components on a Saturday and need it driveable by Monday.The GR86 was another really tough choice when cross shopping because that light blue looks awesome. Back seats are also a bonus and the HVAC controls and features are better than the Z. I miss having dual climate control. Oh, and manual handbrake was another great feature of the Z when compared to a Zupra.>>28728807>Fiat 500 turbosI keep hearing this meme and people saying the turbos will explode at 30,000miles. Is there any actual truth to this?>>28729197>headlightsI never liked the classic headlights these are modeled after. I prefer the 300zx. Headlights on the Z are the weakest of the design features but they actually project surprisingly well. The taillights are the best part though.
>>28729537>exploding turbosno lol, the Z's turbos get up to a max of 14.7 psi on a stock tune.Most aftermarket tunes will bump it up to 15-16 psi with no signs of accelerated wear. Many tuners are fine with taking them all the way up to 22 psi if you askFor comparison, the Whipple Mustang, WRX STI, and 4 cylinder Cumaros and Mustangs all run 16+ psi of boost stock and don't have any problems until retarded tuners add 25 pounds of boost
>>28728296Nah it's definitely the oversized grille with the mandatory front plate holder
>>28729606it looks nervous
>>28729607It should, it regularly goes 170+ mph on public roads
>Tablet in the dash>Car itself is literally just a 350Z with modified sheetmetal>$55k>$45k if you're okay with an open diffDisgusting.
>>28729696>buy manual sport with open diff for $45k>buy z1 motorsports lsd for $900try not thinking like a wrenchlet.
>>28729767You'd also need bigger brakes, bigger wheels + tires, a front lip spoiler, and a paint-matched rear spoiler if you wanted to be competitive with the Performance in terms of performance alone
>>28729767>buy a 350z and lsd>still have 40k left over
>>28726801chassis & engine advancements are meaningless if they’re offset by +1000lbs in fat.
>>28729900350z is hideous. At least pick a 370z. Unlike other cars, the Z has been getting better looking since the awful 350z, so it’s not like you should go back in time for one unless you’re poor. >>28728293Is the transmission oil just dogshit? I know it’s a new car with a warranty and everything, but maybe look into better oils. Or if you’re beating on it, definitely change the transmission oil regularly.
>>28726553making it look like this would probably be impossible because of modern gaynigger (((pedestrian safety))) regulations
>>28729927370 is a fatter uglier 350 with horrendous juke/qashqai headlightsgo bleach your eyes
>>28726468ywnbaw
>>28729823>bigger brakestotal meme
>>28729974you dropped this, king
>>28726343370z was better overall, but the new z has a better exterior.
>>28730738if you can lock up the tires your brakes are big enough. Anything larger than that it's just heat management, which none of you faggots need as you don't drive on the track.
>>28726343>ugly front>cheap ass 2000 tuner interior>slower than all competitors in real 1/4 mile and real track races>expensive for specs>a rehashed 20 year old carBro it's been dog shit since day 1. Only an idiot would spend the money on this thing. >>28726410Zero percent sexy. the rear is okay, the rest is dog shit. >>28726448hahahahaahahahahahahahahahha NO>>28726523>spend $50k on "mehhh it's fine". Ultimate cuck.
>>28729927>is the transmission oil dogshitNo, it's because of the rev hang when trying to shift fast. Combine that with 1-2 being such a short gear and you won't have fun off the line.>>28729696>tablet in the dashLiterally a great implementation of the touch screen compared to every other modern car like a Zupra or Miata. It's also pretty much all physical switches and controls, same with the steering wheel buttons.That does remind me, one stupid fucking thing is the bezel on the infotainment will blind you if the sun is directly above you.
>>28729537Yes. This engine and twin turbo setup is used on their Infiniti's and the turbos are what goes out on them all the time.
>>28726343
>>28729537the turbos themselves aren't really a big concern, especially post 2018. they do, however have some quality concerns with the electronic wastegates. the most popular failure DTC is P2563. if you're stock turbo, that means the wastegate flap isn't opening to the commanded height or it's not reading the actual height. both require new turbo assemblies because you can't buy wastegates separately for any vr30 car. the new ecutek update should allow those that want to experiment with aftermarket gates, like Turbosmart, the ability to do so. you can also just turn those codes off if you're sure there's no mechanical fault.>>28729561I ran 18psi on my q50 when I still had stock turbos. I now run 20 psi on Z1 vrx70bb turbos.>>28729823the paint matched spoiler made me lol
>>28732827Based retard>>28732870>paint matched spoilerAll I'm saying is that the first thing anybody with a base 350z or 370z did was slap on a shitty black or carbon fiber duckbill spoiler
>>28730774My car has "big brakes" for its 2500lbs weight and I can still easily force them to fade when I gun it down the local downhill, with DS2500 pads even.
>>28726343If my car gets totaled in the next 6 months ill get one if they give steep discounts
>>28726343Typical for a Nissan dealership desu. They all sell altimas and other nog mobiles so they don't know how to properly sell sports cars.
>>28726410>Not without an LSD.Osg 2 way 1000$ shipped to your house, poorfag, wrenchlet>Not that soft.I see you like it HARD>Not that with that much turbo lagYoud be getting the automatic this won't affect you, ricer
>>28729900>>28729927>>28729959girls, girls, please...you're all butt ugly
>>28736918Fully riced out ones are pretty hot in my opinion.
>>28736978Surely it stops being rice when you use it for an actual motorsports event, right?
>>28737026I just meant it as general styling direction - bodykit and livery really bumps up Z series in terms of looks. You can use race prepped if the term bothers you.
>>28737300>livery>body kitI honestly don't like these on the new Z. The 370Z looked great with slight bodykit/wraps but I think the Z looks excellent stock. It has a 'prerendered graphics' look to it and I love it. I was worried the first photos I saw of it would be pre-production/concept photos and it wouldn't look like that in the end.>Overall quality>yes I know I'm not quoting anybody but figured people should knowThe interior feels the same as a 350/370Z and I don't think that's a bad thing. The rounded door handles are great and the touch points all feel good. There are a lot of tiny plastic rattles behind the door panels which are very common it seems. I will pop the door skins off eventually and figure out what's going on.The steering wheel is interesting. It looks great but the gloss black is....weird? I was shocked that these were physical buttons because they looked like those stupid VW touch buttons. They have a low quality feel and it's hard to describe how they work because the song forward/backward/menu button is one long button but the whole thing pushes in no matter what 'button' you are pushing but it functions correctly. The top cruise button is a massive piece of gloss black plastic and I laugh just looking at it. The automatic shifter also looks stupid but I got a manual so that doesn't matter to me.Negative Bonus points for using the same key fob as every other 2020 Nissan and capping off the old key slot with plastic (left side of the dash).
Z exhausts sounds like a vacuum I think I'll pass.if sounded anything like the supra I would've bought it.
