Convince me not to buy a truck
Better than coupe, sedan, cuckover, and SUVs
You’ll make a lot of redditors angry.
>>28739265You wont use the bed more than a few times a year
>>28739265You'll look like a mexican
They are overpriced in some markets, however the utility can pay for itself.
>>28739265Dude, just don't...
>>28739265If you don't care about gas mileage, driving dynamics, road noise, or what other people think about you then go for itIf you can afford it then get whatever the hell you want
>>28739265If you do at least buy a real truck not that thing in the pic. Modern "small" trucks are useless.>>28739295stfu. My 20 year old truck rides better and is quieter than a lot of modern vehicles. Modern trucks ride like luxury yachts. Even base model work trucks are smooth and quiet. Modern V8 half tons get similar fuel economy compared to a lot of crossovers. Also give the fucking "trucks don't handle" shtick. They're more than capable of doubling the posted speed limit in the turns. Stop being a ricer faggot.
>>28739349Not only are you wrong but you’re also irrationally angry about it too
>>28739423I'm calm as a cucumber. It's just embarrassing to humans when you believe shit like that. You're just setting us back when you spread misinformation like that.
SUV with all terrrain tires and AWD can do 95% of what a truck can while being more comfortable, modern, better mileage, and less expensive, plus more room
>>28739349Retarded sperg. Not a car enthusiast.
>>28739434You don’t give up being an enthusiast admitting that trucks are pretty good.
>>28739265If a nearby friend/family member already has a truck or van then there's literally no point in getting one. Otherwise go for it
>>28739265you can rent a truck at home depot for $20
>>28739268cuckover should be the default choice of vehicle unless you have a strong preference/reason for something else
>>28739452Read the fine print. Not only is it expensive but it's a massive waste of time when you can just use the truck you already have. If you have a home you're going to be using a truck a lot more than you think you would. Grow up.
>>28739469>Spend thousands to save hundredsAverage car enthusiast logic really. No wonder hardly anyone buys new.
>>28739469>Read the fine print. Not only is it expensiveretard even if it was $300 the average lardass daily driving an F-150 would still be saving thousands a year by driving a prius instead
>>28739471You're already spending thousands on a sedan or a crossover... Instead you spend the same on a truck. Get it? It's not a hard concept.
>>28739474If you want to make this about fuel efficiency, buy an EV. And never pay for gas again. If you want to cope with depreciation, nothing holds value better than a truck.
>>28739474Myself and 99.9% of the general population are more than fine with spending an extra $5k (worst case scenario) in fuel a year just to not have to drive a fucking Prius. Are you really suggesting people spend $1200/mo renting vehicles instead of just owning one?
>>28739478The prius was just a random example. There are countless vehicles that would save the average lardass money compared to daily driving a truck.
>>28739482see>>28739485The only reason I would buy a truck is if I was using it often enough to justify it. I would rather have an SUV, van, or almost anything else. If your dream vehicle is a pickup truck then congratulations it sounds like your problem is solved.
>>28739485>countless vehiclesWhich ones have 400hp and are RWD based with the POTENTIAL practicality of a pickup?
>>28739489Completely irrelevant. The question you should be asking is what would be more desirable for you to drive and be the same price per year (minus $29 * however many times you actually need a truck per year)
>>28739494It's not irrelevant. One of the main reasons why people buy pickups is their speed and power. What part of renting a truck every weekend is expensive did you not understand?
>>28739452Or get a trailer
>>28739498>One of the main reasons why people buy pickups is their speed and power.That's literally the first time I've ever heard someone say this. I can't believe I'm even replying to such an autistic statement.>What part of renting a truck every weekend is expensive did you not understand?I know you can't into basic algebra but obviously if you need a truck all day every day I would not recommend renting a truck instead of just buying one.
>>28739501Don't know why you bother. Can't use reason with a trugger.
people talk glowingly of trucks as if they have no downsides at all, its kinda the same as people who talk about teslas or bmws they are so fanboy they cannot think critically
>>28739501>That's literally the first time I've ever heard someone say thisProbably because you live in Europe. Guess it makes sense why you comprehend owning and maintaining a home.
>>28739494Literally who cares about rwd or 400hp if its on a chassis that is never going to be fun to drive.
>>28739505They are just all around nice now
>>28739506I live in MAGA country. I was stopped in traffic one day so a confederate flag parade could pull in front of me. You're just retarded.
>>28739509t. doesn't read actual reviews and cannot be reasoned with like a tranny
>>28739511One of the last times I remember driving my truck I saw a boomer driving a viper and actually gunning it. I would rather have been driving the viper.
>>28739505Rod bearings and $30k battery packs aren't maintenance items in trucks lol. >>28739511You may live there but you live there as a euro which is much worse than just being a euro.
>>28739512Reviews? Like those Jew articles?
>>28739505A Tesla or bmw is a brand. A truck is a vehicle type, and is one of the most popular vehicle types in the world, with two of the world’s top ten best selling vehicles being trucks alone. And they’re commonly driven as dailies across the world.
>>28739519yeah but ladder frame chassis have distinct disadvantages to unibody cars and SUVs and you will just ignore those
>>28739523They also have distinct advantages, hence why they hold value so much better than everything else.It’s also why the crown Vic was so much better than its explorer replacement as a cop car even if it was slower and handled worse.
>>28739526you literally cannot talk about their disadvantagesyou are like a trannyyou just want people to call you she and otherwise fuck off lol
>>28739530What are the disadvantages again besides worse handling? Just so you’ll stop seething.
>>28739536rougher, harsher ride, more unsprung weight, poorer fuel economy, wigglier steeringmore expensive, generally more old fashioned engines, less outright ability to haul people and stuff (without towing) than a unibody van trucks are made for towing shit
>>28739539What
>>28739543its like talking to tranniesthe second they sense you are not part of their cult their ears turn off
>>28739539Ah, yes. The Lincoln town car. A car driven by many retirees known for its harsh ride. And who could forget how much worse fuel economy those blender engines get when they’re in a body on frame kei platform instead of a unibody one. And building a ladder frame is so much more expensive and than building a unibody (not).Not even sure what you mean by “old fashioned” engine. Do you mean not having all the pozzed turbo shit that makes modern cars unreliable? If so, that sounds like an advantage not a disadvantage. Body on frame vans exist and many truck platforms can support bus cabs. Hauling people around is actually an advantage of body on frame design.
>>28739553You are just kind of talking out your ass?
>>28739554>car driven by many retirees known for its harsh rideif you compared it back to back with a unibody s-class sedan, yeah it would be totally different
>>28739554>Not even sure what you mean by “old fashioned” engine.pushrods, large engines that suck up fuel and aren't particularly efficient and are often 10-20 year old designs
>>28739554Now let’s talk about the advantages. >body on frame vehicles top the charts for commonly highest mileage vehicles>longest vehicles still on the road>most durable vehicles able to take abuse from the shittiest road conditions or just no roads at all>highest resale value of any vehicle commonly soldThe guy in the old ancient truck that he bought new probably spent less money over the course of his driving life than the guy who went through several unibody economy shitboxes.
>>28739565nobody is disputing that trucks are best for the roughest, steepest roadsbut if you spend most of your life in cities and on highways, SUVS make a lot more sense and will be more comfortable, efficient, and modern, as well as practical
>>28739560Not really. You can read clarkson’s own review on the town car. The s class is also more than twice the price, and will lose you far more money in depreciation and maintenance. You’re bitching about waste, but have to compare something far more wasteful by design to maybe get something moderately more comfortable.
>>28739571bouncy bouncy bouncy thwapthwapthwap
>>28739572Maybe if your mom is sitting in it.
>>28739579If you tow a boat or a camper regularly, a truck is best. If you do dedicated off-roading regularly, a truck is best. If you own a farm and want a work vehicle, a truck is best. For OP, for most people, an SUV on aggro tires will be far better.
>>28739582If you want to do any of those things an SUV is better.Except working on a farm, and even then, a clap spec "truck" isn't good for that either because of the shit ground clearance.
>>28739605um the main advantages of a truck are the ladder frame for super rough roads and towing and the high ground clearance a bronco or a wrangler sit way higher off the ground than a normie crossover
>>28739646The only benefit is having a flatbed in the back because that's the only thing unique about them.
>>28739268not better than the venerable hatchback howbeit
>>28739605So you're saying as a farmer that I am 100% justified driving a lifted 4x4 truck? Sweet.
>>28740049You make it sound like some gay monster truck shit.If I was a farmer I'd have one of these.Most of the farmers i've built driveways for have one and they seem good.
>>28739272How often are there people sitting in your back seats?How often is your trunk packed?When was the last time you used your spare tire? I mean, if you dont use it weekly you dont actually "need" it, right?
>all the seething car-cucks in this threadLmao, trucks simply existing triggers all of you
>>28739474This is a lie.Its $5 for every additional 15 minutes.And you want to get their insurance or they'll fuck you over when one of their own employees scratches the bed when they load your shit.Plus theres a security deposit. If you drive 15k miles a year, then the difference in fuel cost for 28mpg vs 18mpg is about 300 bucks a month.If 300 bucks is enough to change your way of life then you cant afford a car to begin with and should be on the bus until you get your shit situated.
>>28740260subaru bajas, while supremely based, are not trucks
>>28740250The difference is that the third row doesn't actively detract from the rest of my car's functionality. But the BIG MANLY bed on your BIG MANLY truck will lead to you putting groceries on the back seat. All so that you can enjoy the luxury of being a nuisance and a hazard to everybody around you.>>28740261>"Bro it's only $3,600 per year!">Median income in the USA: $45,140Also, my Carnival gets 6.5 L/100km (36 mpg), and in practice it goes well below 5 on the freeway.
>>28740409I put groceries in my passenger seat no matter what car I use. How does that detract from anything? You’re also a nuisance on the road by driving period. You add to congestion and pollution where there otherwise wouldn’t be any if you weren’t on the road at all. So why not take the bus or better yet, kill yourself.
>>28740409>Median income in the USA: $45,140Remove the parasites of society and it's over $100k. The $3k penalty for a better vehicle is a non issue for most people. >my Carnival You spent $60k on a minivan that's going to be worth $10k in 5 years... Don't be giving financial lessons there Mr. Ramsey.
>>28740650What societal event is about to happen which will make them start depreciating so quickly?
>>28740409>My Carnival LOL who the fuck buys those things that’s infinitely more embarrassing than driving a pickup
>>28740657>What societal event is about to happen which will make them start depreciating so quickly?He's being generous by the way. Who would pay $10k for a non running vehicle?
>>28739265DO NOT BUY A TRUCK YOU NIGGER
>>28740409>the third row doesn't actively detract from the rest of my car's functionalityZero difference from having an empty 2nd/3rd row and an empty bed.>a hazard to everybody around you.HahahahahaOverall heights:>Carnival- 69.9">1990 C1500- 70.4">1996 Ranger- 64.1">half ton F series-1965- 75" 2025- 74">2025 Maverick- 68.5"Lengths:>Carnival- 203">1990 C1500- 194" (sc/sb) 212.6" (sb/lb) 237.4" (ec/lb)>1996 Ranger- 184.3" (sc/sb) 198.2" (ec/eb)>half ton F series-1965- 188.5"" (sc/sb) 2025- 209" (sc/sb)>2025 Maverick- 199.8"Thats a random sample size.You "minivan" is the average for a pickup.Fucking faggot lying poser euro.
>>28740409>my Carnival
>>28739265I didn't want to buy a truck. Really wanted body on frame manual but not a truck. Tried to get several SUVs, FJ40, Wrangler, and some older stuff. Just had dealers flake out constantly. Went with a new truck and fucking love it.
>>28740740You're right that it's pretty comparable to a Ranger (which was actually designed here in Australia, fun fact). Or maybe a bit shorter when you consider that every tiny little man in a Ranger seems to need a bullbar and a permanently-attached towball.But it's a bit disingenuous to compare it to cars from the 90s, when OPs picture implies that he's looking at a brand-new Tundra (picrel). I have no issue with 90s Rangers/Hiluxes, and the new ones are only slightly antisocial. But the new American truggs are fucking ridiculous, and their owners only buy them to make up for their own insecurities.Of course, my car is far more practical for literally everything except carrying dirty loads (like unsealed manure) and large/oddly-shaped things (like washing machines). I agree that there are some lifestyles in which a ute is more practical than a minivan, but then you're getting a cab chassis Ranger rather than a DCSB F-150 pickup.
>>28740409>my Carnival gets 6.5 L/100kmDiesel?
>>28740762>congestion >a standard 2025 F150 is 6" longer.Once again youre a disingenuous faggot.You believe internet memes are real- that every third vehicle on U.S highways is sone lifted F250 Superduty.Grow the fuck up and enter reality.Dipshit.
>>28740762>purposely choosing the longest bed option availableNow post the short bed that 98% of trucks sold are equipped with.
>>28740784I actually never mentioned congestion. The problem is length in car parks, width on narrow suburban streets, and the generally aggressive behaviour of their owners.>>28740769Of course, the way God intended.
>>28739265The truck market currently is a sellers market. You'll be paying considerably more for what used to be $30,000 work vehicles. Also the current generation from Toyota has been below expectation for reliability.
>>28740787Anon... That is the short bed.These trucks really are just that ridiculous.
>>28739265I'm thinking minivan is comfier
It wont even give me options for standard cabs.But my ranger is behind this carnival.
>>28740788Thoughts on the hybrid? Only engine available here.
I think I get it now.The euros are always making threads about vehicles/comparing vehicles- but theyre always (current year) models.They dont have a vintage market.Sure they "know a guy with a..." but they cant just buy a 60s something from the corner lot.So all they understand is modern pigfat. They cant comprehend the fact that most trucks on the road in the U.S. are older than 15 years.
>>28740818what happens when those trucks hit the end of their life?
>>28740808I think it's good. I looked into the engineering of it in quite a bit of depth before I bought my diesel. The only thing that encouraged me to buy the diesel was a very slightly lower lifecycle cost. The hybrid is way better than the V6, if you have that option too.
>>28740826Nah, no V6 here, just the hybrid. There aren't a lot of options here for minivans and the Carnival seems to keep coming out on top.
>>28739265Have one, I love it. Get the long bed with the access cab instead of the double cab, Only children can fit back there anyways. Just don't expect it to be super powerful and about 22mpg is the norm. Get the sr5 trim with v6.
>wanted to buy a truck>dad has a truck and tells me the bed will just collect rainwater>buy truck anyway>bed is just there to collect rainwaterI should've just gotten an SUV at least I could sleep in it.
>>28740885just get an rtt? its almost like you don't even innawoods
>>28740834>Nah, no V6 here, just the hybrid.you fucked up
>>28740885Buy a camper for it. You could also install seats and it’s like an open top convertible. You can also use it to prop up a giant inflatable kkk balloon. Endless possibilities.
>>28740885Kek, fucking retard. What did you think you would use it for?
>>28740823And when is that exactly?I have 3 different vehicles from the 60s.I can get damn near any part for them from rockauto.There are companies that produce new, offricially licensed sheet metal with the original factory tooling.What euro brands can you say that about?
>>28739265ur better off with a offroad focused body on frame wagon like a landcruiser or patrol
>>28739265I went with the happy medium, the mini-truck Maverick. I would be ratchet strapping plywood or drywall to my roof a few times a year and trying to hang 2x material or PVC out of my damn Escape every couple months before and now I can lay the stuff in the bed. Plus it has a trailer hitch so I can stick a rental trailer on there for bigger stuff, but I could easily lay a couch in the bed with the tailgate down when needed.Also the last car, I made a fucking mess throwing chainsaws dripping bar oil and greasy car parts and stuff in a carpeted trunk, so the truck bed has proven great for that stuff.It’s small enough that it drives nice the 95% of the time I’m not hauling stuff in it.
>>28740885I put some $200 Amazon tonneau cover on mine and it stays reasonably dry. Might upgrade to a better like $800-$1000 harder cover one day. But this thing will pop off in 3 minutes and I can tuck it in the bed when I need to put big stuff in the bed.
>>28741168Yes
>>28740818Is this really how you're gonna try cope
>>28741176The hard lids suck.They seal the same way but are a pita to put anything taller than the bed in.My fabric cover doesnt leak and neither does my brother"s.If you have a leak then its probably a gap/pinch/damage in the seal between the frame and bed rail.
>>28741185I bought the thing used. I think somebody had a cover on there so I installed my new cover with the existing foam at the rear of the cab/ front of the bed. I think the new foam was thicker. But it’s only a few drops in there in super heavy rain or going through a carwash and stuff so I try not to leave like electronic diagnostic tools in there for too long, I’ll toss that in the back seat.And I’m talking about the harder covers that fold in 3 pieces so I can remove it when needed like the current one. The one I got for like $200 is a metal frame with fabric. I figure the Florida sun will toast the fabric in a couple years anyway
>>28741185>>28741186Actually now that I think of it, pretty sure I was supposed to install the new foam all the way along the sides of the beds which I never did, so that’s probably the cause of the water.Oh well. The foam stuff is sitting in my garage. I’ll get around to it one day.
>>28741184Its the only thing that makes sense.Dude was trying to sell me a running '72 F100 for $1,000 last week.Body was a little rough and I dont need another project so I passed.I could have registered it and driven it around town while I restored it.Meanwhile in europe- even if it existed there it wouldn't pass inspection for registration. If i fixed it up the yearly displacement tax would be more than the truck is worth.If i was willing to pay the tax it wouldnt be allowed near major cities because its not emissions compliant.European politics do everything they can to crush the vintage hobby.
>>28741191Ya I had my cover on for a decade and it developed a very minor leak. Got a new roll of foam off fleabay and no more issues.
>>28741160What kinda gas mileage do you get on your 70 year old pickup?
>>28741194>Its the only way I can copeThere's more than two regions in the world retard.
>>28741169The Maverick is such a nice vehicle. I'm kind of sad that Ford raised the price so much on them. They were an amazing deal in the $20,000s. At the mid 30s now though it seems like a much harder sell, especially since you're getting into the entry level "premium" market.
>>28741684406c.i. Big Block with a holley 650dp is incalculable. You can watch the fuel gauge drop while sitting at a traffic light. So its not about "miles" per gallon, its rated in run-time hours. Old man joke- bit of an exaggeration but that '66 F100 runs about 12mpg with the 650dp and 14mpg with a 485 vac secondary carb. The 485 is better under most applications but the 650 wants to run at 70mph under just the primaries so i usually have that carb mounted. And yes, both carbs "belong" to that truck and aren't used for any others.I dont really care enough about mileage to calculate the rest but I have an '85 Bronco with a 6" lift, 33s, 4.11 gears, 351W, holley 700dp (had it prepped on the shelf so I threw it on and never changed it, totally the wrong carb for the application).Did a 1,440 mile freeway trip. Cruised at 65 with no load and averaged 9.5mpg.For comparison the '66 is on 31s with 3.50 gears but weighs substantially less. Its a short bed step side thats single wall- it only.takes 2 people to pull off the bed.In fact I got stuck going up Devils Slide (big sand dune in Ocotillo, left off the gas to early near the top).Myself and two friends picked up the ass end, spun it around so I was pointing downhill and I was out. Thats a good example of how light that truck is.In comparison the FSB has the extra weight of the 4wd (ALL Bronco are 4wd) plus double wall bed, shell, tailgate glass, more wiring for power everything etc.Plus the Bull Nose body style has the aerodynamics of a barn and the theoretical top speed is 87mph (been there, fuck that shit, ain't goin back).Thanks for stopping my TED talk.Be sure to like and share.
