Before dieselgate it was very popular in Europe and I cannot understand why.>Most Europeans do city driving, only driving few km to the shops and to work>So you know what. Let's get a car that will kill itself in less than a year if you only drive short journeysI never understood this. Why did Europeans drive cars that required that you drive it 40 minutes on a highway or else it's going to kill itself.
When the Berlin Wall came down, there was a sudden opening up of the Eastern and Central markets. This coincided with the Germans pushing the Euro on the entire continent. All of a sudden you had a lot of people that needed to drive from Zagreb to Munich to scrub Hans' shitting shelf and not spend much money on it, which was great because the Germans needed as many Yugos and gypsies as possible to spread across Euroland. To do this they needed vehicles and Germany was on hand, by some weird coincidence, to provide them with an entire range of vehicles powered by 1.9TDI VAG motorsThey (the Germans) then re-wrote the SCIENCE and proved with SCIENCE that diesel is actually really good for the environment and you should all buy diesel cars made in Germany no matter where on the continent you are and every dumbshit government followed the regulations so you ended up with about 75 percent of the vehicles sold in Europe from 1995-2015 being SHITTY GERMAN DIESELS THAT STINK OF SHIT
>>28977058wtf kind of drug are you on? diesel just works, there is nothing more to it. the myth that it has to be driven xx km every day or it will clog up is just fake and the fact we daily drive diesels here should be prood for you.
>>28977078My father had a 2012 VW Golf TDI as a company car. That shit clogged up twice in two years. He swore to never get a diesel after that.
>>28977083ohh, you have one story and that somehow proves the entire world?your father drove like an ass if he cloged it up. also vw 1,9 tdi is one of the most overrated diesels out there. its well known, partially because it made it to usa, but still crap.
>>28977058Diesel used to be cheaper than gasoline with better fuel mileage so of course europoors embraced it.
>>28977058Because diesel used to be piss cheap, and DPF issues did not exist before dieselgateDPF issues are still complete memes, I've only seen issues from abused VWs with the dieselgate remap.
>>28977067Diesel emits less CO2 per gram of fuel burned and has a higher BSFC. They're correct.
>>28977097here, let me fill you in with my personal experience with dieselsvw1,61,93 x 2,0L>2 x 2,5lford7,3L2,4L2,2Ljeep2,7L2,5L2,1Lcitroen1,6L1,9Lnone of these clogged up in any way. infact, being a europoor car guy driving diesel is a gift from god. it takes hard cash to make a car go faster. diesel? just a tuning box to add more fuel, cost like 50€.
>>28977115Ya sure.Thats why diesel holds so many automotive records, right?
>>28977058Because diesel isn't as insanely taxed as gasoline and diesels get ridiculous empeegees, so it's much cheaper for people that drive a lot.It's a money thing, as always.
>>28977123what records? do you care about records when commuting or you want a smooth ride?
>>28977083Diesels worked great before EGR valves became a thing.
>>28977067something tells me you have a problem with germans
>>28977143Do you not have a problem with g*rmans, and if so, why not?
>>28977134If diesel was so easy to build power with it would be used in racing.Youre confusing "add 20 more hp" with "change the power band and increase output by 150%"Diesel is trash for modifications.
Because diesel has better mileage than gasoline.
>>28977058>Most Europeans do city driving, only driving few km to the shops and to workNot true at all, most diesels (especially pre DPF) had no problem at all with short journeys, and many people do long driving commutes in Europe, especially the UK where public transport isn't great (compared to the rest of Europe).And also because many performance Diesels existed, even in 2009 This Jaguar XF 3.0 Diesel has 275 BHP, and will do 0-60 in sub 6 seconds, and still do 57.5 MPG on the Highway and 32.5 MPG in the city, whilst also being pretty reliable engine wise (there are many Diesel Jaguars with well over 150,000 miles, and some with over 200,000 miles still running OK) A Gas car won't do anywhere near that.
>>28977173Another example, E60 535D was available with 286 BHP, and was extremely reliable, 250,000 miles is pretty much nothing on the engine (BMW M57)
>>28977083>He swore to never get a diesel after that.Fuck you and your dumb dad.>it's supposed to be completely maintenance free!No.Learn to wrench, fag.
>>28977177>BMW M57Good call
>>28977143As one should
>>28977169racing? thats the dumbest comparison you ever made. is it the first guy to the line, or the first guy with the most stuff that wins? its the latter, and you haul more stuff with diesel.
>>28977177>M57Yeah that one was goodThere is a listing for a 525d E39 near me that was a taxiHas like half a million kms on the clock and I would go snap it up. Though considering I want a second car to do full DIY plus the fact that it's not very fast(this one has like 160hp and 300nm torque) I may skip this diesel after all.Also it has the low spec interior(NO PHONE)
>>28977058Even with daily short trips my 2008 Touran had no issues during all the years I owned it.My 2015 CX-5 died in less than 8 years though.
>>28977213>My 2015 CX-5 died in less than 8 years though.2.2 Skyactiv Diesel is junk though
>>28977208>There is a listing for a 525d E39 near me that was a taxiGrab that shit, nugga.>2000 - 2003 in the BMW E39 525d 120 kW (163 PS; 161 hp)The 5-speed ZF manual would be a bonus
>>28977237It is manual(otherwise I would not even be considering) but the things I previously mentioned still have me undecidedAlso the fact that it's not 30yo yet(is a 2000 model) which would mean I would pay a lot of tax for such a "large" engine and have the IRS or whatever you call it on my ass>What do you mean Mr Anon you own TWO cars and ONE of them has an engine larger than TWO WHOLE liters in our day and age? Why don't you own a 1L wet belt Opel Corsa?
>>28977169diesel is used for situations where you need lots of torque, not RPM.
>>28977058800km per tank vs 500 on petrol.who enjoys refueling 50 times a week
>>28977320>800km per tankThat's amateur numbershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQ67YEPCxs
>>28977309So a poor choice for automotive but accepts in the transportation industry?
>>28977334>automotiveIf you live in mountainous areas or you have a truck that you use to tow things, it is decent.
>>28977339A V8 can hum at 5500 all day long. We just associate it with taxing the engine meanwhile a diesel at 3000 is balls out but doesn't sound stressed over compression ignition.Gas v8 tows just fine.
>>28977083He must drive like a pussy
>>28977058No idea. I've always drove petrol cars. Diesel on the other hand:>sound like shit>smell like shit>power isn't instantaneous>fuel is more costly, so you only save money on long journeys>everyone secretly knows you're a cheaparseI'd rather drive a hybrid.
>>28977671diesel>sounds better>smell better>instant power>cheaper>everyone knows you are a chad
>>28977058>>28977123>>28977671Gas Babies don't even know what they're talking about.>>28977777Based get and diesel bro.
>>28977777This is just contrarianism for the sake of it
>>289770581.Diesel fuel was cheaper.2.Diesel cars didnt have mandatory SCR/Adblue/Defluid system.3.Diesel cars had almost similar purchase tax incentives like later EV's because diesel engines were significantly more efficient than gasoline engines. It was about reducing CO2 emissions as part "climate change" scam. It's the diesel gate when they discovered that diesel engines released more air pollution because of particle and NOX emissions from tail pipes than gasoline engines that didnt have combination of gasoline direct injection+turbochargers.
>>28977777quints of truth command sonow go and coat the roads behind you in a black sooty film.
>>28977078American diesels are equipped with obtuse and poorly designed emissions control systems that cause them to clog up and shit the bed if you only ever do short drives. That's why we don't have diesel passengers vehicles.
>>28978061Just delete it and tune. For fucks sake.
>>28977220engine itself is great the emissions stuff like DPF are what killed them. DPF was a big problem for everyone in that era
>>28978044but a diesl sound better. nothing beats chugging along at 1500rpm. and it has instant power.. and pre uke war it was cheaper.
>>28977671>>power isn't instantaneouskinda backwards innit
>>28977511If it made so much sense otherwise to use Gas to tow, there would be more trucks that use gas and not diesel. Higher RPMS in your engine means more stress on the pistons and con rods. More friction equals less thermal efficiency. I am sure you are smarter than 100 years worth of Mechanical Engineering.
>>28978044It's not. The idea that diesel is just worse in every way is the contrarian slop take. Diesels have a lot of upsides to them, 2/3rds of Europe didn't just buy them for the meme.
>>28978106Europoors bought them for the potential cost savings in fuel because they've been brainwashed since birth that efficiency is the most important aspect of life.Thats it.Thats the secret.
Government policies favoring diesel.Diesel being cheaper.Diesel being more efficient (high fuel costs in Europe).Why different from the US?Because gasoline has historically been insanely cheap in the US so none of these were ever a concern. We have a ton of refineries and the highest light crude production in the world. In most of the US diesel is more expensive than gasoline.
>>28977777>>sounds bettertractor with section pump>>smell betterlike shit>>instant powerkill turbo, and it barely moves on its own power >>cheapermore emissions crap, more parts to make it remotely drivable>>everyone knows you are a chadeveryone knows you're cheapskate that trembles in fear if fuel price jumps 50c/gal or you did get less than less than 50mpg highway
Another advantage is that diesel isn't burning as easily as gasoline as it forms no explosive atmosphere.And the motor can run with vegetable oil if needed.Unfortunately many of the other advantages have been lost in modern high end diesel engines which are now more complicated than gasoline engines.
>>28979054>vegetable oilNobody gives a shit.The cheapest vegetable oil is twice the price of gasoline.Youre not going to wake up to a zombie apocalypse and raid the fryer at KFC for "fuel" and this isnt the 80s where restaurants would pay you to haul off their used oil.If we ran out of crude oil we could easily convert to ethanol- which is cheaper to produce than vegetable oil.
>>28979046sound of a diesel lumping at 1500 rpm at higway speed. is heavenly.the fact you can floor it and overtake some asshole at that rpm without downshifting, well thats instant power.
>>28979215>The cheapest vegetable oil is twice the price of gasoline.In Europe HVO is €0.10 to €0.20 more per litre. But I guess with American prices that would be twice as much.
>>28979046Why are you afraid of diesels, anon?
>>28979312>sound of a dieselSounds like a garbage truck. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.>lumping at 1500 rpmDiesels dont "lump".You'll never be gasser with a wicked cam that sounds like a top fuel dragster at idle.
>>28977142EGR delete is the easiest thing in the world
>>28979321diesel does lump its what they do.i dont want to be a cammed gasser.
>>28977058>Why was diesel popular in Europe before dieselgate?100,000 German taxi drivers cannot be wrong
>>28979329Diesels dont lump.They sound like a fork in a garbage disposal.
>>28977067>SCIENCE
>>28977058Peugeot literally invested heavily in diesel for whatever reasonDiesel engines actually overlasting gas enginesEmissions being a recent thing
