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Questions that don't deserve their own thread! As the last one is slowly dying out we need a new one.
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I want to learn how to make fire without modern tools and potentially also do stuff like make huts and tools n shit.
Where would I be able to do this? From what I understand I'm not allowed to leave the track nor fuck with any plants and shit at all the parks/reserves.
Australia btw (ACT).
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>>1381902
Aussiecunt here, how do I avoid snakes when in the bush? Starting to get warm and been spooked by the amount of tiger snakes spotted recently.
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(20×25m food forest system)
How do i rebuild the wild fauna (like frogs lizards and such animals, zone 6). I am assuming insescts will just come on their own once the system is in place but other animals will do the same or do i need to bring them myself? And if so what exactly and how?
Also will cats be a problem in reestablishing the natural balance?
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Im not too experienced with late fall/winter hiking. The place I want to go this weekend is going to be mid 40's in the valley but mid 30's with upwards of 45mph winds at the summit. Should a wool baselayer, fleece, and windproof shell be enough?
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Is it possible to sleep in the forest if one has a massive dick?
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I have a complicated question that doesn't deserve its own thread. Basically, what if, what if, what if, somehow, while I gather wood to make a campfire, right, and then, sort of, I make a pile and keep gathering twigs and branches and whatnot, and then, suddenly, I drop my hatchet, and it makes a noise on a dead stump. Now, my question is this: if I hadn't been there, would the noise have existed anyway?
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Are Leos good at camping? What's the best star sign for outdoors?
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What is the best colour for camping?
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>>1382016
That should be fine, but bring some extra layers.
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>>1381933
Insects come for the plants. Frogs, lizards, and birds come for the insects. Mid tier predators come for them.

Cats can be a problem, yes.
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>>1382198
Pepto pink
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Very general question, but how is Estonia for backpacking? I'm used to Northern California where we have a lot of BLM and National Forest that is free and pretty spacious. Is there a lot of open space where you can hike and camp in Estonia without a lot of restrictions and cost? I'd ask in /int/ but they just post anime girls mostly
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>>1382272
Motherfucker... I checked the Estonian flag, I had a feeling. Blew my mind.

I keep seeing things about Estonia lately. I'm fucking spooped right now.

What the fuck is going on...
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>>1381902
what are places you can set camp at?
which ones can you set a campfire and which you can't?
public land?
private land?
federal land? pls add if im missing any.
litterally going to center of NY
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How many pine branches can I cut from trees to isolate my tent before I become an asshole?
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>>1382272
baltics suck for going /out/
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>>1382282
Why?
>>1382276
They get a fair amount of press for tech stuff I guess
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Going camping for the first time ever with some buddies tomorrow. We’re right on the edge of a national forest in Georgia, and most of the dispersed camping places are first come first serve, no reservations. Can you guys give me any pointers? I’m kinda nervous, it’s only an hour or two drive from home though. Also, would I need to worry about bears right now?
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>>1382338
No need to be nervous friend. Have your buddies been out before? Do look up info on bears in the area, since you might be required to have a bear canister or properly hang your food up in a tree. I'm assuming you've read about the basics and what to bring with you/what not to do to kill yourself or others.

I don't know anything about Georgia but if you get there early for a reservation then National Forests are pretty easy to get by in.
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>>1382433
Ventilation is your main weapon against condensation, pick a campsite with a good breeze and leave your tent open unless it's raining hard.
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>>1382338
>Bears
>Georgia
Back bears. No reason to be scares. If you want to minimise your chance of bear issues then eat away from your camp and store your food properly. Either hung in a tree using the PCT method, google PCT bear hang, or in the nearest bear box. Don't leave litter, poop in a proper cat hole, again Google it, and put out any fires you start before leaving camp. If you make a new fire ring then dismantle it before leaving. If you don't do these then the ticks will get you and give you Lyme's.
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>>1382281
One. Cutting shit off trees to fulfill your homosexual bushcraft fantasties is a dick move.
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>>1382016
Go find out. Id probably add a puffy for breaks.
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>>1382369
So, I’ve been out a lot and have done a lot of out things, but at the end of the day, I was usually sleeping on a bed. I think my friend has done less out things as me but knows more about the basics of camping. The other buddy hasn’t ever done anything like it.

>>1382497
Yeah good point. Would it be fine to leave any food in my car if it’s close enough to the camp?
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all of the campsites around me require firestands.

Are those mesh-tripod ones fit for purpose? I've read that the mesh can break easily after having a few fires on top of it
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>>1382585
>car
There is a real risk that the Bears will have a go at getting into your car.
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>>1382625
Why’s you greentext car?
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>How easy are potatoes to grow?
>Would they be a good plant for urban agriculture?
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>>1382645
>How do you quote on 4chan?
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Are there any resources for finding old abandoned sites for treasure hunting/exploring that I'm missing?

I metal detect and generally treasure hunt but I can't really find many good spots nearby. I use Google Earth and ACME mapper. There's also pre-prohibition era tunnels under my city but the only entrances that are known are in the basement of shops.
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>>1382831
Very easy to grow (for me anyway)
Depending on how much space you have you could grow them although you could even grow them in buckets.
>pic related
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>>1382282
explain yourself anon
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>>1382880
There is this old fashiony thing called libraries that have historical books and maps to find one let your fingers do the walking
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>>1382831
potatoes might literally be the easiest plant to start with in a herb/kitchen/urban garden. They'll grown in freaking anything, including pure sand and a pile of used straws from the stable.

Get yourself a big bucket, with some soil your confident about growing food in, and lay the potatoes just under the surface, harvest when ready. (Just google it for you area, and maybe for the specific species of potato you got)

>>1383190
Interesting concept, hadn't thought of anything like that, but it could very well work.
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>>1381923
Stomp, be aware of surroundings.
They should piss off before you get to em, otherwise you will see them when you're close enough.

Might help to carry a stick/hiking pole, that way if you're in striking range you can offer the stick instead of your body.

It's just a numbers game from what I can gather, nothing you can do but try and keep your head screwed on and react properly if you happen to stumble upon one.

I've only got limited experiences so far, but every time I came across one they were more interested in fleeing to live another day than to try and staunch me.
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>>1381911
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA
I've watched this channel for years, it's exactly what you are looking for. Dude makes some amazing shit with nothing but nature.
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>>1381923
I live in AZ, rattlers are as common as pigeons out here. When I /out/ I always wear good thick pants and shinguards, at least if somehow stumble onto one there is a chance it will bite my pads before fucking off. They are also great because I do a lot of steep climbing through the mountains and it keeps my shins from getting dinged up on rocks/branches.
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What's the minimum requirement to ditch a country and live somewhere else?
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>>1383354
Getting off your fat ass
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How on alert should I be for bears when I’m camping? If I don’t have food at my tent or site, do I even need to worry about those fuckers roaming around me?
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What places are there near to go /out/ in NYC? I'm visiting December-January
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>>1383389
black or brown?
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I have no experience with camping, but I live in a fairly haunted town with a lot of large abandoned empty houses. My general idea was to spend a few months getting in shape/learning how to be properly be /out/, and then just camping out around the house for a night or two to see if there’s anything spoopy.

long story short, is this a dumb idea for a hobby?
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>>1383505
>is this a dumb idea for a hobby?
yes. but (spoiler alert) all hobbies are dumb; that doesn't mean you shouldn't do them if they make you happy and don't hurt anyone else.
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>>1383505
>get fit and learn outdoors skills then camp near spooky house

That's a funny hobby but you're learning and improving yourself. I also like that you "live in a fairly haunted town". You seem like a sweet guy
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>>1382201
>>1382194
Thanks guys. My loadout ended up being more than enough to stay warm, my fleece spent most of the hike wrapped around my waist.
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>>1383879
Whoops meant to reply to
>>1382499

But no you can't sleep in the forest if one has a massive dick thats why I only do day hikes.
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After months of lurking this board I went on my first hike and it was a blast.
Quick question, what animal is this? It was on a section of the AT in NJ/NY area if that helps. Google is telling me mountain lion.
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How do you find where to go /innawoods/? I just want to go where there are no other people, I can camp for the night, and shoot some targets. Seems like all land around me is national parks, state parks, Indian territory, or private land where I can't do these things. Location is Tucson AZ but have no problem traveling, just don't know how to figure out where to go.
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>>1383324
>there are people on /out/ not knowing primitive technology yet
remember to turn on captions so you can see him explaining shit
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>>1384312
Domestic dog. It’s debatable whether there’s any mountain lions left on the east coast, and certainly no breeding population.
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>>1384321
Welp now I feel like a retard that this didn't cross my mind. Thanks anon
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>>1384312
>4 toes
>claw marks clear
>>1384321 is correct
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>>1384314
try asking around at gun stores or ranges like pima pistol club.
side note, there is a great youtube channel out of tucson called inrangetv dealing with shooting matches at pima pistol club and tucson history and other shit
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>>1384333
I actually just recently became a member of Pima pistol club.. nice range. I've been looking at maps of the region and it looks like there is a huge amount of sparsely populated mountains/forest east coast east of mount lemmon all the way up to the New Mexico border. But again the problem is it's hard to tell what is private land, federal land, state land, or Indian land. I might just go out far enough that there are no people and not care who owns the land.
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>>1384342
>I might just go out far enough that there are no people and not care who owns the land.
that or call/visit the blm office and see if they have maps or something.
https://www.blm.gov/office/tucson-field-office
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>>1383477
Please, the only place I know is bear mountain, and when I tried to climb it I ended up in private property with someone yelling at me to fuck off with dogs barking at me.
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Ill be camping with my lady for a weekend. We had a tent but it sat in storage for a few years and some fucking rodents chewed some big holes in it. SO, that being said we will be camping in out 2017 Forester. Any tips or things I should bring? We will also have a pupper with us. Pic related is what we will be sleeping in, with an air mattress of course.
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>>1384679
foam>>>>air mattress
>more comfy
>less affected by other person's movement
>can cut it to fit just right
>don't have to fill it up
>don't have to worry about it losing air over night
just be sure to order it with enough time to let it air out for 24-48 hours so your car doesn't smell like a chemical plant. my wife got the "Zinus 4 Inch Green Tea Memory Foam Mattress Topper, Twin" off amazon for car camping while she's pregnant. i thought she was bonkers and it would be too thick, but it was comfy as fuck.
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>>1384710
Nice, Ill try and go that route. Its not going to be the most comfy sleeping. Im 6'1, my lady is 5'7 and we are bringing our German Shepherd. But it will only be 2 nights so we should be fine
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>>1384679
Since you used the terrible word 'puppers' i assume you're familiar with reddit and can do a heckin zoomie over to the vandwellers subreddit. They will have a lot of my good ideas and builds
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>>1384719
I have no clue what any of that means. Plus ive been to reddit once, and only for a source of a video of an asian chick with nice tits.
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>>1384721
Ok porn is bad but r/vandwellers is a good resource for making a vehicle a home. You'll be warm and dry in a Subaru so I doubt you'll need much. Curtains for insulation and blocking light may be unnecessary.
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Now that it is getting cold I realized I have no good winter gear for pants, socks and shoes/boots. Any good recommendations for these?
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Is there any way at all to convince the government to sell you land? I'm looking at a parcel that has been government owned since 1866, not a park or anything, just empty land. .
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Worth a try, I guess.
Any pals from Germany, who want to go for some outdoor adventure? Or should I create a whole thread for this question?
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>>1385530
Just walk in, look them in the eye and shake their hand
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>>1385530
You have to bribe them
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Recommend me a tarp.
Preferably good quality but not too expensive
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>>1385529
Vasque makes some awesome winter hikers like the snowburban. Pair with midweight wool socks and some cheap polypro baselayers. Uninsulated softshell pants like pranas are great four season pants. Avoid the softer parachute style nylon. Add in Rocky Mountain Gaters from OR for deep snow and some microspikes and you're totally good to go.
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what's the trick to getting the BO smell out of the bit of pack straps that goes under your armpits?
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>>1386297
I had a stinky foam back panel. No amount of tech wash or normal detergent worked. One load with oxyclean fixed it.
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>>1386301
Thank you, helpful ghost of Billy Mays. I also read something about an overnight in the freezer so I'm trying that as well.
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>>1386210
Were you the anon from the other thread? Either way, check out the DD hammocks site, they have some good offerings at a reasonable price.
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>>1386307
That's worth a try too. The stink comes from bacteria breeding between polyester fibers. The naturally hydrophobic qualities of polyester can make it difficult to thoroughly clean the garment which allows these pockets to grow. Thankfully there's a growing trend of impregnating garments with permanently antimicrobial silver salts.
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>>1386297
buy a backpack that fits. the straps aren't supposed to be so high on you they're in your armpits.
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>>1386393
Packs are sized by length. Thinner people sometimes have to crank the straps on packs that fit simply because you size for length not width.

t. /out/fitter
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>>1386499
yeah, nah, that still won't put your shoulder straps in your armpits in a correctly fitted backpack.

source: i'm 6' tall with a 30" waist. i know how packs fit long thin people.
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How concerned should I be about rattlesnakes/other poisonous snakes in America? I have a pipe dream of getting a house/land in the country, but I've also heard horror stories of dogs and the like getting bit on property.

I'm aware that the US is damned huge. I'm looking mostly at the midwest/upstate new york areas, but anywhere with snow, summer, and autumn (in that order) will do. Is there a general range to watch out for, specific regions, or specific habitats to watch out for? Grassland may or may not be a given. Is it a general rule that, when on undeveloped land, always wear boots and keep an eye out?
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>>1386544
It absolutely can if your sternum strap is loose enough.
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>>1386544
And also, height isn't the measure of pack size. Packs are sized by the distance between the iliac crest and the c7 vertebra. I'm a 6' large and others are 6' mediums and 6' extra larges.
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>>1386393
they aren't IN my armpits but below them. i'm sweating like a whore in church and gravity does the rest.
>>1386619
>loose sternum strap
that's gotta be my issue. I haven't been using the sternum strap because its just a little ass daypack with very little weight in it.
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>>1386619
that would be another sign of an incorrectly fitting backpack
>>1386621
i'm aware, but if i had said
>i have a 20.5" torso
that wouldn't have been super descriptive for most people
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>>1381902

I've hunted before and want to get into duck hunting. Is this a good idea? How much will this shit cost me?
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>>1386736

Never hunted*
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>>1386736
>>1386738
try >>1380598
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>>1386736
>How much will this shit cost me?
depends what species of duck you are hunting, if you already have a shotgun, if you have waders, and how much it costs to get a hunting license
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>>1382198
green or dull blue
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>>1386727
Sternum straps are almost always heavily adjustable.
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>>1386772
no shit captain obvious. but guess what, if it's adjusted improperly it fits improperly. so thanks for proving me more right. but it's immaterial, as anon has already said location of the straps is not the issue: >>1386665
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>>1383477
>>1384640
Anyone?
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I've considered pulling up to a river in the national forest with the kayak and a big day pack to let /out/ decide which direction to go and what to do. Cell signal will be spotty though. Would people enjoy it, or should I fuck off and catch bass?
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>>1388582
eh, fifty/fifty. depends on the mood of the crowd that day and consistency of your service. with the speed of /out/ you couldn't do something like dubs decides, so you'd either have to do everything, or cherrypick what you want to do. or come up with something like
>first response with a timestamped mora decides
each time
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What's the best day pack that you could still use comfortably as a school bag without looking like a complete and total autist?
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>>1388604
>thinking anyone in real life gives 2 fucks what daypack or school pack you carry
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can someone give me the batoning brainlet image?
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>>1388605
>>1388604

i normally dont agree with negative posters... but who really gives a shit what backpack someone uses.

but to answer the question-- anything from burton has really good cross over use. i used the same burton backpack for law school in a major city as i did for day hikes when i was bumming around New Zealand. i still use it to hold my snowboarding gear.
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>>1385554
Same boat, but two borders further southward. I hate my lazy fat ass friends. I'm tired of soloing.
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>>1382195
No, cause you would of never been there to drop it.
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>>1381902
How to sail into an atoll?
I heard i had to get through passes but i don't know during which tides. Could somebody explains this to me? (pic related tried to enter Raroia but they failed and crashed on the coral belt)
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>>1389252
here with fakarava, i'm clearly supposed to get through one of the two passes, which tide should i wait for? Where can i get those infos while at sea? What about less known atolls ( the one there's no data on ( like ahe or makemo) ?
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>>1386297
based Tom Bombadil
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Is the srk sk5 a good knife for hiking?
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>>1389262
might be a bit overkill but that never hurt anyone. you could probably do fine with a $13 sak classic sd. i dunno what you're having to stop and cut while walking around.
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not been on /out/ for a while what happened to the gear threads?
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>>1389600
They got shitposted into oblivion by salty poorfags.
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>>1389612
ah that's a shame
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>>1382278
Private land is a safe bet for a campfire and camping no matter wher you are.
Public land is tricky, in germany a campfire can get you sued for destroying public property given you dont have a license, same for federal land.
camping grounds are always properly equipped with a set of rules to obey, just pick one that seems good enough if thats what you want to go for.
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>>1389600
Anons shitposting that gearfagging is retarded and actual retards fucking it all up by posting like 5 different threads for every piece of gear because checking the catalog is too hard.
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Does whey protein make sense for /out/ist who mostly hike and do some pushups and pullups on the sidelines?
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>>1381902
Why can't ppl get along
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>>1389718
no. don't waste your money. just eat more red meat, fish, rice and beans.
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is the 5.11 rush 72 a good camping backpack the molle system seems like it'd be useful so when going away from camp I could unclip my med and put it on my waist no need to carry my entire pack
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I Grew up in washington and moved to indiana eleven years ago, I don't remember ever getting ticks on me there but here in corn land they can be pretty bad depending on the year. My question for any anons living in idaho, how bad are the ticks there? I'm wanting to move there in the next couple of years.
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Can anyone give me a quick rundown on the best backpack brands?
A friend told me to buy from either Osprey, North Face and Ferrino.

Is that right?
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>>1388582
>I need constant validation from anons on 4chins
Pathetic
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>>1389899
I'd change that to osprey, Gregory, Salomon, or deuter
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>>1389899
best backpack is based on your needs. Osprey, gregory, deuter and all the mass produced ones are good for scoutmaster carrys of massive amounts of crap.

If you're going UL, look to the smaller cottage makers.

I suggest using REI to purchase your first backpack. They give you up to one year to return it, no questions asked. I ended up returning a deuter and getting a granite gear crown 60 from massdrop when I was sure of what I wanted
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Saw the /OUT/ vehicle thread.

Where do you guys go to drive? I'm in Ohio so I'm not sure where to look. Would that be public land? Dirt roads?
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>>1389899
Whose the best? Nas, Pac, or Big?
Ain’t no best.

Once you get over the budget price points It’s really all personal preference. There are a ton of brands big and small that all make great packs.
Try a few on at the store. What feels right. Figure out what features you want and what’s you don’t need.


I’ve been using a tnf banchee for a while. I really like it it has the features I like (sits a little higher, defined frame, big hip pockets, zipper access to pretty much anywhere in the pack, “suspension” system, big old shove-pocket)
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>>1390255
im so bummed that it auto corrected my who's to whose
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>>1389738
Thanks, I will buy whey then.
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>>1390260
>being contrary just to be contrary
you're a fucking retard and you deserve to waste your money. have fun seeing no gainz from your shit non-routine.
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>>1390265
>no gainz
>implying I'm not getting ripped already
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>>1381902
impulse bought 15 meters of elastic cord that i thought i wanted to use on a tarp setup at the corners of the tarp in a loop on the guylines because i thought it would keep it tighter but now i realize it would probably make it more flappy and not tighter would it?

any ideas what to do with it?
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>>1383477
You're gonna have to drive out to NEPA or the Catskills. Maybe some decent places deep enough in Jersey.
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>>1390269
>gainz from hiking and a few pulls ups and pushups
then either you're hungry skeleton or landwhale tier and just improving your diet will offer more benefit, or lying about your routine. but go ahead and spend a bunch of money for the privilege of vile farts. i'm sure it's all you need to push you into zyzzmode.
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>>1390285
I'm a manlet but neither skeleton nor fatty.

>5'10
>165lb
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Thoughts? Does waterproofing spray works?
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>>1390300
It does help a lot. Not much you can do about heavy rain, but it's better than nothing. I mostly just use it on backpacks and old tent rain flys
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>>1390376
>reasonable discussions about a basic /out/ piece of equipment
i fail to see the problem
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>>1390382
it's just gearfaggotry and brandname dicksucking though
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>>1390394
a) backpacks aren't gearfaggotry, they're nearly obligatory for any substantial /out/ activity
b) all those brands are reputable, moderately priced, and have a wide range of products for most activities and budgets.
c) no one has ever said you have to buy the latest model for top performance. backpacks can be purchased used with concerns.
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>>1390394
>discussing indications of a proper fit for an obligatory piece of equipment is gearfaggotry
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>>1390435
*without concerns
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can you die by freezing in your sleep while camping or will the cold be enough to keep you awake?
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>>1390462
you'll probably be awake until you pass out from hypothermia, then you'll die.
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>>1390394
>asking what brands are good is brand dicksucking
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>>1386586
Yes, nature will be nature. Certain states have a bigger snake population, but snakes are big softies. Just remember most enjoy laying out in the sun, so if you're on desert/sandy trails keep more of an eye out for where you're stepping.
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I want to start hiking. I live in Southern CA so it's hot. I don't know what kind of gear to get.

Is there like a sticky or list of everything I need? I want to just do long dayhikes for now.
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>>1381933
That's not even close to enough to get a thriving system going
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>>1382194
Having an extra poncho will def help keep you warm if your boyfriend won't
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>>1390511
water, hat, water, sunscreen, water. you're ready.
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>>1390511
>long dayhikes
>light sun protective clothing if possible
>light jacket
>water
>snacks
>maybe a couple of bandaids or a few inches of leukotape for blisters/scrapes
>small light backpack just big enough to hold the above items
>light comfy shoes
now have fun and take pics for us
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where THE FUCK do people get activated charcoal in Canada? How the fuck does lowes, home depot and walmart not carry it at all? All i find is massive 10k bags of BBQ charcoal that i dont want.
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>>1390520
try a pharmacy.
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Just went squirrel hunting today in my backyard with a .177 air rifle. Clean kill, but I fucked up the skinning and cut into the guts. How the fuck do you skin squirrels /out/?
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>>1390689
Carefully
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I have a little denatured alcohol left in my spirit burner. Should I dump and clean it thoroughly, or can I just pour in my yellow heet and go?
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>>1390759
it'll be fine. methanol and ethanol mix.
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birch is my favorite wood for carving, does this make me a pleb?
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What does filtered and boiled lake water generally taste like compared to tap water that has been chemically treated?
Also, how will I be able to tell if there is pesticides from a nearby farm in it? Will it taste a certain way?
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>>1390798
>What does filtered and boiled lake water generally taste like compared to tap water
this varies so much it is borderline impossible to describe, generally, my tap water has more calcium then where i usually have to filter/boil when /out/

how would i even decribe the taste? its not stuff like tasting metalic, sour, sweet or whatever, its such a subtle difference

if it is just lakewater boiled, there is definitely a taste, if i run it through a sawyer filter or similar, first theres no taste, less taste then my tap water

>how will I be able to tell if there is pesticides from a nearby farm in it? Will it taste a certain way?
i am pretty sure there is no way to detect it by taste, if you are that alex jones level worried, get a carbon inline filter for your system i am sure they exist but would absolutely kill the flow rate
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>>1390784
caring if other people think you're a pleb makes you a pleb
>>1390798
depends on the lake. i've had some that was undrinkable frog water and other that's so sweet it tastes like it should be from some magical lotr elf spring. re: pesticides, sorry, i can't help. all my /out/ing is innamountains.
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Hello. I'm growing sunflowers in my garden. They have ~30cm right now, but their leaves started to look burnt, like pic related.

What could be happening to my plants?

By the way, there are some red "spiders" on one of these plants, they seem to be sucking something from the plants.
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I don't want to make huge, expensive changes... but I'd like to shave off as much as I can from what I already have. If I can push under 10 lb base on the cheap, that would be great.

Any recommendations?
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>>1391395
>water
>281.6 oz
a) why do you carry so much? innadesert?
b) where do you carry so much? i only see 4l of capacity in your inventory.
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>>1391398

Might want to ignore that. It was for a past trip where I used that spreadsheet as a calculator for total weight. Yeah.. innadesert.. At the time I was carrying my 6L Dromedary and 2 1L smart waters. Was only out for an overnighter and I went though it all. Deserts suck.
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>>1391347
Look up "how to deal with spider mites"
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>>1384640

The fuck? Bear Mountain is clearly marked and established. The summit and North side even has paved sections.


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>>1381902
What are the basic tools needed for an innawood hunting trip in Canada?

Literature regarding survival, edibles, tips, tricks, etc is of immense value.
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>>1391498

Maple syrup and a whole bunch of sorries.
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>>1382880
>>1383219

I live in CT, i hate camping near people and the camp grounds around here are only open in the summer. how illegal is it to just find a wooded area and setting up camp? what are my chances of being caught? am i better off finding someone with land and asking if i could camp their?
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>>1381902
Where can I go to fuck around in the woods without anyone disturbing me? Like making fires, cutting up fallen trees, jerking off, etc.
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>>1381902
I hear "waxing" get tossed around a lot around here in regards to waterproofing.

Does anyone have a guide to waxing garments? I dont want any of that fashion shit, i just want to test it out
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>>1391554
>not giving us the slightest inkling where you live
how the fuck are we supposed to help you, you fucking moran?
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>>1390520
"activated" charcoal is just finely powdered charcoal, build a fire, get it going good and hot, QUICKLY cover with dirt, leave it for a day, then dig out your charcoal and grind it up in a mortar and pestle. It's an awesome scam getting people to pay for fucking burnt wood powder. Home made will be better as well because you can use good hardwood.
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>>1391594
Washington DC area
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>>1391554
>>1391602
there are plenty of places in dc where you can make a fire and jerk off without anyone bothering you
>in the woods
oh, wait, no. you're screwed.
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>>1391623
>>1391602
im in CT and have this same problem, i watch all the vids on youtube and the only thing i envy about canada is the amount of freedom they have to do almost w/e they want in the woods. Where i live there are no places to go and just live out part time or full or even for a day unless you own the land or have permission. Shit fucking blowss that there are so many laws in place you could face jail time for going in the woods, setting up a tent and living their for a few days or even over night. absolutely ridiculous.

Is their any way to get militia status or any loopholes that would allow me to be able to go into the woods and set up a long term shelter?
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>>1391584
>get a candle
>pour hot wax onto suit after cool
>waxed clothing
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>>1391626
>any loopholes
you already answered your own question:
>own the land or have permission
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>>1391426
Thank you for the tip. But are really them that cause that problem on the leaves?
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Do I need to wear orange if I am going camping with firearms during hunting season? Also don't have a hunting license. Just larping. In national preserve in FL.
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>>1391626
Move away from the East Coast.
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>>1391794
You should look at the regs. Some places won't allow you to be out with a firearm, during hunting season, without a hunting license.
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is 23lb without water a good pack weight? will only be going on overnighters but I have a fairly heavy tent (msr elixir 2)
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>>1391831
that's fine. i backpack regularly with 50 (climbing gear and i like proper meals and a beer at the end of the day).
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>>1391835
that's good then nice one lad
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Got lost in the woods the other day. No trails or anything just hiking in the woods where I've never been before. 35 degree mushy clay slopes of west virginia. What's the cheapest shittiest compass that's worth a damn? Would a crappy walmart compass be okay?
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>>1391841
suunto a30 is 20 bucks.
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Am I supposed to carry a smaller tarp as a ground mat under my big tarp, or just deal with the wet ground? Fug
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>>1391810
Dang that sucks. I figured because it's run federally I will be ok since I am camping which allows me to open carry. I will just call them and ask.

I am new to this but am afraid of going out unarmed. And don't want to conceal carry.
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>>1391967
>I am new to this but am afraid of going out unarmed.
don't be that faggot. you don't need a gun to be safe /out/.
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>>1381902
Why am I gay?
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>>1391971
I'd rather look like an a-hole who is following the rules than be raped by a homeless or eaten by an alligator or bear.
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Is it safe do do insecticidal soap myself from normal soap?
https://homeguides.sfgate.com/use-dish-soap-spider-mites-99718.html says it is, but http://www.livingwithbugs.com/insecticidal_soap.html says it's not.
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I saw an argument a while ago over the utility of packing an axe/machete vs an e-tool/shovel. Wouldn’t something like a 1.5-2lb sharpened cutter mattock be a good enough digger and hatchet replacement? Not as good mind you but still useful ?
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Thoughts on becoming a Master Gardener?
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>>1392064
Maybe but the bottom line is still that the hatchet is king, and any woods digging can be done with your digging stick
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I wanted to try tarping the next time I sleep /out/, how is the Noah's tarp from kelty? It looks a bit odd with the curved edges, is it only for hammock camping?
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>>1385554

Well I'm feom germany!

What have you done outdoors so far?
What places have you seen?
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>>1391978
Because God decided that you should be.
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Anyone else live on the east coast? I'm in western MD and everything around here seems like theme park camping, go to desk, get lot, go to lot, sleep in tent, go home. Always around other people. Where do I go for innawoods camping that isn't on private property?
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>>1392425
>Anyone else live on the east coast?
yeah, 'bout a hundred million people.
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>>1392446
Why even make this post, you nigger
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>>1392451
to let >>1392451 know that i think he's a faggot without having to explicitly say so.
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>>1392454
For wanting to go camping and asking about it in the non specific questions thread on the fucking outdoors board? Who is the faggot again, Mr nigger?
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>>1392461
for asking a question that every spoiled bitch who's too lazy to spend 5 minutes on google to figure it out themself asks. and i'm double sick of all these faggots starting their retarded questions with
>does anyone
>has anyone
>anyone ever
the answer is yes. always fucking yes, you stupid cunts.
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>>1389803
ticks are where their hosts are. If you have a large population of deer or other large group of mammals, theres probably going to be a lot of ticks in your area.
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>>1392465
>I-I'm just s-sick of...
Shut the fuck up you fucking faggot, you got blasted for being a nigger and you know it, fuck off
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Anyone in the Houston area go /out/? Where do you go?
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>>1392472
>anyone
YES THE ANSWER IS YES REEEEEE
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>>1392471
> conveniently ignoring the fact that anon is a spoiled bitch asking to be spoonfed an easily researched question
yeah, nah, go fuck yourself. i'm never going to stop calling people out when they pull that bullshit.
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>>1392473
>YES THE ANSWER IS YES REEEEEE
qft
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>>1392474
Easily researched as in asking other campers maybe??? Fucking nigger, God damn it you ruin everything you come into contact with, kys tranny
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>>1392478
easily researched as in just fucking googling it. anon's already on the internet.
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>>1392484
lol, i don't even know what half that shit means. i'm glad i don't live in some shitass ghetto like you do. no wonder you're so helpless. i'm sorry i was so mean, but i'm sure my taxes pay for some gibsmedat to help you find what you're looking for. good luck.
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>>1392425
The Whites, the Greens, and the Dacks. Worth the drive.
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i dont /out/ but i figured this is the right place, i want to get a Victorinox Compact to carry in my back because i often find myself needing some tools. Question about the scissors though, are they good as nail scissors?
Yes im aware that theres a nail clipper vic but it doesnt have as much tools.
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>>1392821
no experience with the compact, only used the scissors on the super tinker but yeah they will cut nails really well. awesome scissors. if the nail file surface is the same aggressive grit as on the vic nail clippers and not the pussy grit from the cadet, that shit will be perfect.
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>>1392824
thanks
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>>1392821
i know you have the Victorinox Compact in mind but take a look at the leatherman sidekick and leatherman wingman. i find the quality to much higher (even though there is a lot more weight), and the tools to be far more functional.
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so im somewhat new to /out/ but me and a friend want to go camping but we dont want to go to a "campsite"
ive been to a campsite and all it was was a huge lot with a bunch of people "camping" about 20-30 feet away from me
where in southern california would we be able to find a spot to go out and camp in a more secluded area? not a paid campsite like the one i described
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>>1393119
The Mojave, someplace in buttfuck Sequoia, or Big Sur
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>>1381902
If you live north of the blue line and live in a suburban area, can you let me know the last time you saw a wasp, yellow jacket, etc. within about a hundred feet of your home?
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>>1388582
I know I would participate.
Might get more replies if you call it a spooky forest and do it on /x/ though.
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>>1388582
Go for it. As for choosing between kayaking and catching bass, why not both?

>>1390152
I can relate to be honest. Doing things like that by oneself is enjoyable, but sharing those moments with others is even more fun.
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>>1393159
i'm not even close to that line, but i'm curious why you're interested.
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>>1393174
I hate wasps and similar insects. I'm fine with all sorts of others things — snakes, spiders, you name it — but I live in the South, and I'm seriously considering moving to Maine for several reasons, one of which is to deal with wasps less often. I figure the colder temperatures year round might mean fewer wasp encounters, but on the other hand they've had countless years to adapt to the colder climate, so maybe I'm wrong and they're just as bad up North as they are down here. I just don't know.
For comparison I live about 500 miles south of the line. It's November and there are still plenty of wasps and yellow jackets hanging out around my front door, my back door, and my car.
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>>1388582
Did you scout the river for fallen trees and other debris first? Catching bass is always fun though.
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>>1393159
Oregon here, two weeks ago.
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>>1382880

Facebook groups ! This is my one and only reason to remain on that hellhole site.. locals in my state have a “<my state> abandoned” page... quite a few of them too. You will find what you’re looking for cause you’re not alone in your interest. Good luck
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>>1383190
You have to be careful with this, it's not hard for the potatoes to mold.
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>>1393119
Look at a map.
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>>1392083
That's going to be no good for tarp camping. Get a silnylon rectangle tarp. something like 9'x6' would be ok. you won't want anything much smaller. look at how to pitch is in either an A frame or half pyramid. pic is my 9'x4.5' tarp in a half pyramid.
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>>1391883
You can get a sheet of tyvek or painter drop cloth, go to home depot, and cut it to size. in >>1393250 you can see my sheet on the ground. i tend to use window insulation film.
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>>1391554
see
>>1393247
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>>1391395
>13lb
You're at a pretty awesome weight already senpai. to get lower than 13lb you're really looking at changing up your big three which isn't going to be cheap. You're best move might be to switch to a tarp. You're sleeping bag weighs in at like 800g so you could save like 300g by moving to a down quilt.
>60l pack
do you really need such a big pack? I use a much smaller bag and still manage to carry 4-6 days food in it.

but like I said you're at the sort of weight where you're going to have to replace something big to save. The cheapest move I can think of is trying out a small silnylon tarp. Borah gear make a great one for $54 bucks that weighs 8oz. They also make a great light bivy for $90 bucks that weighs in at 6.5oz.so for $140 bucks you could save ~36 oz

https://lighterpack.com/r/8woly8
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EU anon here. looking for some decent merino or other wool socks. most i've found are like 90% synthetic, do any good actual woolen ones exist?
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>>1393296
A blend is actually pretty good in socks as pure merino is fairly fragile. Darn toughs are decent enough and widely available.
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What websites off affordable 4-season tents? What are some good cost:quality brands that I should look out for? I'm looking for a 3 or 4-man tent for under $300 (soft limit) if possible.
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>>1393184
Thanks for the info.
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>>1392478
why are you this upset, wipe away the tears and calm down you'll never be happy if you seethe that easily
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>>1393331
>3-4 person 4 season tent for under $300
unless you intend to use it once or twice you're asking a bit much, split the group and make everyone pay for individual tents it'll be a lot easier and you'll get better gear
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How do I stop my feet from getting absolutely obliterated during long walks?
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>>1393577
Swim until you lose the excess weight. Wear sock liners or cheap thin dress socks to keep anything from rubbing.
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>>1393577
get shoes that fit better.
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>>1381911
Use a magnfying glass
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How do you manage to kill a mole in you garden?
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>>1393639
mole traps
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can anyone tell me what mushrooms these are? I'm thinking maybe honey mushrooms but not sure. they were growing on a dead tree and I'm waiting on a spore print atm. they smell like regular mushrooms and when I tasted one it left a bitter and almost painful taste on my tongue. they have little hair-like things on the top of the cap as well as slightly curled gills. found them in maryland. any help would he appreciated :)
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>>1393577
Stop popping the blisters. Walk the next day with them and the next and the next until the callous up.
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>>1382198
medium dark grey
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>>1393729
wat. you tasted it?
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>>1393791
just a little bite. then spit it out.
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other thread is dead so im asking here
im fairly new to /out/ but im planning a camping trip with a friend for sometime next year.
the problem is i live in a not so /out/ environment.
how do i practice /out/ skills without actually being in the wilderness?
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>>1393819
>/out/ skills
what skills do you mean? things like setting up a shelter, cooking, and other camp chores can be practiced anywhere. you can also practice navigation almost anywhere, just find a good topo map for you area and learn to read it and find you location with it. however, some things, like traveling off trail require you to actually make a trip.
>i live in a not so /out/ environment
are we talking straight up city? small town? village? rural but farm land?
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>>1393822
yeah, setting up shelter, making fire with minimal equipment (no matches, lighters, etc.), navigation with a map, all the stuff that would make me not die while camping. and i live in huntington beach CA, I also dont really have a yard (front or back)
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What knots should i use to attach hammocks and tarps to trees?
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>>1394055
straps and beaners.
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>>1394063
Oh yeah let me buy and carry even more stuff. Great idea, who needs rope in 2018
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>>1394068
>who needs rope in 2018
people who were sensible are bought tree straps and beaners.
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>>1393576
I said soft limit. I briefly browsed Amazon and whatnot and that's the lowest price point I could find. Also, need a 3-man minimum so me and the gf have room to stash our shit.
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>>1394147
the lightwave t30 is on sale at a couple of place at the moment which might do you.
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Hello /out/, first-time poster so forgive me if I'm doing something wrong. I'm trying to assemble a backpack suitable for long-term excursions that has the ability to accept a 3L hydration system. I'm probably retarded but I have no idea what to look for.
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>>1394250
something to sleep under
something to sleep in
something to sleep on
something to hold water
something to clean water
something to cook/prepare food
something to start a fire/ignite a stove with
something to administer first aid
something to repair broken gear
something to navigate with
something to wear if what you are wearing gets wet
something to carry your stuff with
something to help you see in the dark
something to wear on your feet
something to cover your genitals
something to keep you warm
something to keep you dry
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>>1394252

I've got that, I meant more like, the backpack itself.
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>>1394258
work out how much weight you will be carrying. to do this weigh your gear. then work out how much food you will be carrying normally. estimate this at roughly 2lb a day. then work out how much water you are likely to carry on average. estimate this at roughly 2lb a liter. then take you gear and find a container that it all fits snuggly into. remember that this measurement gives you the space needed to carry your gear, and you will need to size up to accommodate food. this will vary based on how much food you think you will need to carry. use this to work out what volume of pack you need. you can then use your average weight and required volume to help you choose an appropriate pack. osprey are a good company to start with as their packs are affordable, well made, and come with a good warranty.
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>>1394265

Thank you, I'll look at Osprey
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>>1393159
Surrey BC here, I killed a wasp in my house yesterday
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Does 'boar taint' (bad tasting meat due to male hormones) occur in any other male cattle or game animal?
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>>1381902
how do you join an Indian tribe?
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>>1394281
Surrey? You poor bastard...
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is it sensible to carry 2 knives? ie. one fixed blade and one smaller folding? or is it a situation of "if you cant go out with only one knife you shouldnt go out at all"
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>>1394480
Be 1/4 Indian or more. Contact your tribe of heritage.
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>>1394871
Realistically it's massively overkill
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>>1394871
depends if you are gonna reserve one for food handling and one for other tasks
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I bought this half a year ago and I love it - unlike flimsy aluminium foil or similar, I can fold it up and unfold it as many times as I want without it falling to bits.

Does anything comparably durable exist as a bottom heat-reflector? I'm not worried about money - I could make my own for pennies or buy as many MSR reflector sets as I want. I just want something that will last.
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>>1395284
In retrospect, I'm a moron. I'll use 3 panels for the bottom. I'll get some wire cutters and cut things into the right shape.
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Looking for something with a bit more OMPF when chopping sawed wood, im thinking the small splitting axe? same lenght as the small forest ace, half a kilo heaviier and a ver spliot heat, good head what do you think?
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>>1395318
Depends what size are you cutting? I wouldnt drink the gransfors cool aid tbqh
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Hoping to get someone to ID this bag or something similar
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>>1395514
Its a green bag anon, hope that helps
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>>1395514
>>>/fa/
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I tried hard to follow instructions on axe sharpening but I still feel like it's half assed and fucked up. The bastard file did most, if not all the work, there was no blade here... That stupid lansky puck thing caused nothing but scratches, doing that circular motion that they show in YouTube demonstrations... What am I doing wrong here? There IS a little bit of an edge, enough to shear paper at the right angle, but I don't know, I've never maintained tools before.
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>>1396164
the trick to sharpening anything is to establish a burr before switching sides. i've typed this all out before here https://archive.nyafuu.org/out/thread/1387007/#1387014

maybe an annoying youtube couple explaining it more in depth would help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCJzDLobXc
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>>1396164
you're cutting wood, not tomatoes. bastard file is all you need to use.
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>>1396179
This helped, I could kind of see it as I was working with the file. I don't know if I'll go back and rework the whole blade but I might try to apply the concepts and match the visuals.
>>1396180
This is also a good point
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>>1396184
yeah man, >>1396180 is right, you really only need the file, and getting a burr going with a file should take just a few minutes for each side of that little hatchet. just keep feeling for it after each few strokes of the file. its extremely satisfying once you get the hang of it. you'll end up going until every blade in your house is shaving sharp
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>>1393159
A bit below that line in Oregon but I live at 5,000 feet. Here for about 2 years and I've never seen a wasp or yellow jacket. Don't even think I've seen bees. Sister is at 4,500 feet and I've seen them there, however. Fairly regular over the summer but haven't seen one there in a couple months.
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>>1393177
Nature abhors a vacuum, and she will just find some other hellish creature to torment you with, just sayin'
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>>1394147
again soft limit doesn't mean anything, that being said a 2 man tent with 2 vestibules would be fine, I picked up an MSR elixir 2 second hand within your budget it's pretty good and I use it year round in the UK also fine with sleeping two people in it, bit heavy though
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>>1381902
what can I grow for food in winter? I'm looking to live in the woods eventually. The winters up here are pretty cold. they can get to -30 but i'd be fine in a shed with woodstove.
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are these bad boys poisonous? found in a hill in Bogotá, Colombia. spore print black - very dark purple
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>>1396518
eat it and find out
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>>1393250
I went and bought a free soldier tarp after reading this, 9.5x10.5 iirc. Seems high quality stuff, and I have the extra kelty for whatever. The extra cordage from both tarps is great, too. Time to practice some knots
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>>1393577
Liner socks+tape+boots that were made with humans in mind.
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Does anyone have a decent topo map of the area surrounding Pigeon Peak in Colorado? All I'm finding are crappy ones.
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>>1396816
caltopo.com
and if you end up using it regularly don't be a cheapass. shell out the measly twenty bucks for a subscription to help the dude out.
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How do I tell a girl I "fucked" and couldn't get hard with that I don't want to hang out again

Bonus points for allowing me to deflect until she gets bored
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>>1396870
>>>/adv/
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>>1396872
I "fucked" her outside
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>>1396870
But why would you need to tell her that? You think women want to hang out with limpdicks?
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>>1396878
fuck off, brokedick faggot.
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>>1396892
I'm going, I'm going...
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>>1396828
>Lets you add objects and layers
This is fucking amazing, I'll be buying that sub with my next check.
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When/where/why do you use a bivvy? I've only camped with an old MSS, the army bag, so I've typically had the summer or winter bag connected to the bivvy that comes with it. It's a good insulating layer and obviously keeps you dry, what use would I have in upgrading, do you think? I just recently bought a Marmot bag on sale, trying to upgrade my warmth and downgrade my weight, and I'm wondering if I can repurpose my woodland bivvy, or if it's worth it to grab something like pic related.

For reference, I've been having fun camping with tarp setups the past few weeks, the lingering 50 degree weather has been great. There's snow now and it's got me thinking about upgrading, but I'm not sure where to go from here.
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>>1382272
I suggest looking at Finland. Although i am a little biased. Estonia does have cheaper alcohol though
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im going camping tomorrow with my partner, this is the first time camping together this cold
its going to be near freezing point at lowest so not that cold
but i discovered the sleeping bag i wanted to borrow (warmer than mine)
doesnt lock with his
any good tips?
we are going to spoon
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>>1397789
just sleep in your own bags for the night. it's warmer anyways because you won't have dead air between you and you can cinch the collar.
>partner
gaymo detected
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>>1397838
but i want to spoon ;-;
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>>1397852
a blanket over both bags?
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>>1397861
i dont see how thats spooning
ill just try with laying on a unzipped sleeping bag underneath blanket underneath unzipped sleeping bag
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So I just started going /out/ recently and winter has arrived.
I just do day hikes so is it a big deal if I wear cotton hoodies?
I hear a lot to avoid cotton during winter.
For insight, temps are usually 0f-30f during the day at the peak of winter.
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>>1398120
just make sure you're not going to get rained on. wet cotton sucks heat. and it offers poor wind protection.
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>>1398122
I see. I've got a nice coat that's waterproof and the hood is huge and can block the rain completely
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>>1398124
eh. if there's a chance of rain i'd still go with a polar fleece. if a cuff or something pokes out it won't wick rain in the same way, and it will stay warm when wet, weather due to rain sneaking in or sweat.
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I'm considering a multi-month trip through the USA, departing from Vancouver.

How does hitchhiking compare with biking? Hammock compare to tent?

Ideal time to leave? Route ideas?

I was planning to thru the PCT but tore my ACL in September; better now but too late for a thru. I've never done backpacking of this magnitude but am hoping to remain /out/ and avoid all but the most interesting cities.
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Why aren't there any Alaska threads?
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What cheap yet effective attachable ice cleats are the best for walking on solid ice in a steep incline? I don't want crampons, but something that is still effective.
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>>1398441
Because you haven't started any
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>>1398442
Solid ice at a steep incline? Real fucking crampons. There is no cheap alternative that is even remotely safe.
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Are there any places in southern california that are good for a solo camp, i live by Mt.Baldy but i hate going there for anything longer than 2 days because i always run into basic ass california people, i dont mind hiking and seeing other people but when im camping, taking in the scenery its always ruined buy a family blasting a radio.
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>>1398479
I was asking because my job requires that I can walk in a bobsled track, but I can't wear crampons because that can severly damage the ice. We have nrs strap heel cleats, but they are extremely uncomfortable and fall off often.
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what is it with ""bushcrafters"" on youtube and their obsession with building "fire reflectors" even though they all make them the same way, with only one wall. its like
>to be "bushcraft" do X
without thinking

has anyone done a propper thermal test as to if it even does anything beyond shield from wind? the ""fire reflector"" honestly seems like the biggest meme
if they used a space blanket to reflect the heat, sure, but, just cutting up logs, sure, its gonna do "sometimething" but i thin
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>>1381902
who dis? Lightning?
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>>1399078
>>1399079
>>1399081
Wendigo, be careful.
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>>1398145
I can't speak to hitchhiking, but I've biked all over the country and I've enjoyed it quite a lot.

Without very specific route planning and/or adjustments, a hammock is not the right tool. There are many big parts of the country with no trees.

As far as routes go, I've crossed the country twice from north to south, once from east to west and once from west to east (all by bicycle, camping every night). Going north to south (or vice versa) lets you stay in/near mountains the whole time, like the AT, PCT and CDT. If you care to cross from coast to coast, I highly recommend staying north, at least east of the Rockies. VT, NH, upstate NY, UP Michigan and Minnesota are all lovely, and the national parks around MN, ND and SD are very underappreciated (Isle Royale is amazing).

When you want to leave will depend on your route and your pace. 3 months is generally a good guess for biking from coast to coast.
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3 questions.
*What knots do you recommend for puttibg up a tarp?

*What is the best way too attach a hammock on trees?

*i have a sleeping bag of which the comfort rating is 3degrees celsius, i have a summer sleepibg bag of which the confort rating is 12degrees celsius, at night it gets between 0 and -5, if i put the summer sleeping bag in the other will that be sufficient?





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