Knotlet here.Which knots do you recommend to learn and practice?What are some not so obvious applications you use them for?
>>2770046i solved for 4 typs of quantummechanique no one.....
>>2770046trucker'ssiberianprusicthere you go boyo.
>>2770046Start with something simple like an 8.
Then a clove hitch for tying rope to a pole.
I basically only know a figure 8 + some variations, an alpine butterfly and a trucker's hitch (except I use an alpine butterfly for the loop that you return to).
2 half hitches Tautline hitchFigure 8Bowline
>>2770079>2 half hitches1 whole hitch
in practice I've managed to do everything I need with some combination of double 8 and reef/overhand knotsso I guess double 8 would be my recommendation for a real swiss army knife knot
>>2770079Add double fisherman's and prussik/bachmann's
>>2770057>TruckersNo, useless knot for /out/>Siberian Nope, again, useless for out.>PrusicThis is for rock climbersEnd line Bow lineSquare notTaut linethat's 99.9% of camping.
>>2770059You want a taut line for this because it's adjustable, a clove hitch is not adjustable. The other end should be a bow-line.>>2770058Climbers knot--can be replaced with a bow line (climbers often use a bow line instead of an 8 in countries other than the US).
there is a great app called knots 3D.makes learning knots very easy.
I use the uni knot / half blood knot for most fishing applications and have found it works well for just about any time you need a strong slipknot
>>2770046I recently tried to learn some basic knot repertoire as well. Some of them have already come in handy once or twice.R8 my practice/learning list:- Alpine Butterfly- Ashley stopper- Trucker's hitch- Midshipman's hitch- Bowline- Noose- Sheet Bend- Square LashingAlso cobra knot and voodoo knot for fun and shenanigans.
>>2770333Add a knot to tightly bind shit together. e.g. constrictor knot
Fig8 and variants - on a bight, retrace, and Bunny knot (rope access)Alpine hitchBarrel knot, Double fisherman's bendPrusikBowlineClove hitch, Half-hitchGirth hitch (know what it's called)There's some other exotic ones (vt hitch, asymmetrical prusiks, uli knot) but the above are 90% of what I use.>Industrial climber.
>>2770046You only need to learn one knot. A monkey's fist.From there all you need to do is form a monkey's fist around a rock or something and use it to threaten passing travelers into setting up the rest of your shelter.
>>2770046the alpine butterfly has come in handy for me many times
>>2770333Two pucci
>>2770333The Alpine Butterfly is actually very very common in theatre for raising and lowering curtains, props and doing pully work. I've never used it innawoods.>Truckers KnotI've never seen a reason to know a special stopper knot. A properly tied knot doesn't need a stopper.Truckers hitches are great for bikers, hikers can use other (better suited) knots.>Midshipmans hitchI think this is just another name for a taut line. If it isn't than I'd use a taut line instead of this knot.>BowlineThere are several ways to tie this and it's MOST "useful" if you know the method that allows you to tie the loop around something before tightening it (Look up how the US army rangers tie it).>NooseThis is actually a good knot to use for stowing sections of rope--I've never used it for anything else.>Sheet BendI prefer the fisherman's knot but everyone should have a go-to for connecting two rope ends and this isn't a bad option.>Square lashingGreat for larpers, most non larpers will have no use for it. Super easy to tie though, so might as well learn it.The last two knots you mention are the only two I've never used but they sound neat.>>2770345Can't tie knots tie lots
>>2770401Good list for climbing.Not really a knot but I'd add how to brade webbing to the list that every climber should know. If you're trad climbing you can easily be carrying almost a dozen sections of webbing and being able to compress them in a way that is easy to de-compress is very useful.
>>2770510> Square lashing> Great for larpers, most non larpers will have no use for it. Super easy to tie though, so might as well learn it.I find square and diagonal lashing very useful in gardening
>>2770510> I think this is just another name for a taut line. If it isn't than I'd use a taut line instead of this knot.Yeah according to knots animated the names are often mixed up so it gets confusing.But I referring to the one they list under that name: https://www.animatedknots.com/midshipmans-hitch-knotAccording to them it's supposed to be better than what they refer to as taut line
What knot to attach drying lines on trees?
>>2770526...that's how I tie a taut line..I wouldn't tie that on a cleat though--totally wrong knot for a cleat... the knot boaters/sailers use is called a Cleat hitch.>>2770531Something like that Id do a bow line on one side and a taut line on the other if it's temporary. I'd double wrap both sides if the trees were small. Any loop knot on one side and adjustable knot on the other or do a continuous loop and just use a square knot if the trees are big and you want more line in a smaller space.
There are so many good ones. I guess a bare minimum would be bowline, double fisherman’s, round turn and two half hitches, clove hitch, constrictor knot, trucker’s hitch. I might have missed some but that’s a good arsenal. > t. Former tower dog, commercial diver and long time rock climber.
Oh, and rolling hitch.
Do you prefer a clove or taut line for attaching your guy lines to stakes? Clove hitch>very quick to tie>possibly annoying to untie with cold/wet fingersTaut line>adjustable>can be tied in advance
>>2771187I would never use a clove hitch on anything I want to stay in place for more than a few minutes. It's a friction knot and will work loose if there isn't constant tension.
>>2771238Interesting. In my research, most people cite it as a suitable stake knot.
>>2771241I don't know anyone who would use it for that.You could use a clove hitch as part of a end line bow line to keep your knot from slipping around but I just double wrap and it holds just fine.
>>2771238>It's a friction knot and will work loose if there isn't constant tensionyup, every knot has pros and cons, a right and a wrong way to use it. Bowline's another good example of that. Fig8 on a bight is arguably a better knot to use - more efficient, holds w/out a load, and usually easy to untie after loading. Winched a 12,000lb broken snowcat out of a shitty spot last year, ended up snapping the hook off getting it around a 120° corner. Pulled out some more winch line and tied a bowline around a tree. Even after that 16k lb winch pulled on that 12k lb snowcat on a 2:1, the knot basically fell apart once the line was slacked."Right tool for the job", and knots are tools to accomplish an objective.
>>2771353You can tie a bowline exponentially faster and if you have a hard time untying a bow line it's because you tied it wrong.I wouldn't use either of those knots for towing.
>>2771365Used recovery straps and shackles for the haul out. Again, right tools.Winch was used to negotiate around the fucked up corners we had to get through.A yosemite finish on a bowline helps keep it in place without tension on the line. Falls under the "exotic" category i mentioned above.
>>2770510Why wouldn't you just use an alpine butterfly for a bend
>>2771367>right and wrong way to do thingsI already know you're a boomer, you don't have to keep driving that point home.There is no right and wrong way to do things--just better/worse and something new to try.The fact that you already admitted to breaking equipment already undermines the "I know the right and wrong ways"I was a rock climber, raced sail boats, did rigging for circus and theater and drove off road vehicles all over Asia. I learned knots in Ranger School and again when I got my Trad lead certification which is the first step to becoming a guide.Tie what you like, but don't pretend "your way" is the "right way" boomer.
>>2771415I'm not sure what you mean by a bend?The disadvantage of an alpine butterfly is it takes quite a long bit of rope to tie compared to other options. If you're talking about a sheep bend--the purpose of that knot is to connect two ropes at the end and the purpose of an alpine butterfly is to crate a loop in the center section of the rope that is by-directional and easy to remove when not loaded.
>>2771554People who know knots know what a bend is. A sheep bend is one of many, many bends. Also, by experience, an alpine butterfly takes less rope than any other bend I can think of
>>2771580>People who know knotsWhich people: Truckers? Boaters? Climbers? Farmers?You seem to have a flawed understanding of regionalized or industry specific lingo.As I said I'm not sure what you mean by bend because you said it yourself: there are a ton of different types.
>>2770261Truckers works best for tarp guide lines and tie downs
>>2770262A clove hitch is easy to adjust
>>2771552>theater lighting boy.Shut up man, stop being a know it all.
>be me >decide I'm tired of being a brainlet >tfw can’t remember knots for shit >decide to fix that >month long knot training montage.mp4 >every day, practice like a madman >bowline, tautline, trucker's hitch, all the bangers >finally reach the big brain status >can tie them with my eyes closed >feeling like a 200 IQ giga-chad >fast forward to yesterday >gf asks me to tie something down>time to show off my elite bowline mastery >prepare to dominate like a knot god>brain.exe has encountered an error>go full potato mode >start sweating mom's spaghetti like a true autist >panic.jpeg >have to google it like some kind of normie pleb >struggle to tie it, hands shaking like a leaf >wtf.jpg >months of practice thrown in the trash >feel like a complete beta cuck >knot skills evaporated >probably going to end up carrying a knot cheat sheet like a cringelord>tfw forever a knotlet >tfw even rope-chan betrays me how do I commit to memory?
>>2771597I don't feel bad at all for hurting your feelings.ironically the old fuck saying "this is the right and wrong way" isn't a know it all to you but the dude saying "this seems to work better than that"..THAT dude is the know it all.. right buddy. If that's what you need to think to protect your obviously delicate ego.
>>2771597>*Stop talking about knots in a knot threadpretty unhinged desu
>>2771552nice post faggot
>>2771598Piracetam
>>2771672he's right though"This is the right way to do something" is as boomer as boomers can boom.>>2771598Pick 4 knots and use them for everything.
>>2771592You don't even know what an alpine butterfly is. Tip: it's a bend
>>2771748LOLok, ok ok, I'm laughing at you pretty hard right now but I'm going to try to meet you at your level...lower expectations....nope still to high.. wait..lower stillok sweety, where did I say it wasn't?
>>2771791>>2771748side note--you clearly don't know this but there is an alpine butterfly and and alpine bend.One is for rope joining and one forms a loop in the middle of the rope. An alpine bend and an alpine butterfly are different knots but sometimes people call an alpine bend and alpine butterfly bend--which still isn't the same as an alpine butterfly.but you knew that right... right..?
>>2770262>Climbers knot--can be replaced with a bow line (climbers often use a bow line instead of an 8 in countries other than the US)Main reason people use figure 8 to tie into a harness is that it's so easy to tell at a glance that it's tied correctly. When I was climbing we used a mix we would sometimes use bowline on anchors etc sometimes an 8. Sometimes tie off to multiple anchor with 8 and then tie a bowline on a bight to hook into. Bowline main advantage over an 8 is that it won't bind up on a fall whereas an 8 is super easy to see that it's correct at a glance which good for less experienced people or say if you are guiding people and clipping a lot of different people on etc
>>2771238Ground line hitch is better than the clove hitch in every way, i recommend it as the goto hitch for anyone. Beside it friction hitches like rolling hitch/taut line and prusik and the like are all you need in terms of hitches.
>>2771823bowline is also a lot less annoying than retracing the figure 8, which is fine for climbing but for general use for tying a loop around an object bowline is the quickest and easiest.
>>2771854One reason to use the clove hitch is for adjustability since you can easily loosen it and retighten in a different section of the rope. Clove hitch is also easy to tie one handed around a pole or a carabiner,
Another alternative to the double fisherman bend is the twin bowline bend - an advanced version of the sheet bend where you take the working end pointing sideways and tie it in a bowline against the other rope, ending up with a double sheet bend that's much more secure than a regular sheet bend, both because both sheet bends have to loosen before the knot fails but also because both ends of the bowline are loaded similar to the bowline. It's easily tied if you know how to tie a regular bowline.You can also use various locked bowline variants to secure the bend from ever working loose yet still being easily untied regardless of load. One disadvantage of the knot compared to the double fisherman is that the knot is fairly bulky and can catch onto things.
>>2770046If you really want to learn knot making, find a copy of Ashley's book of knots. It is the Be all and end all of knots. It's got everything practical ones how to read slings, and then the various thousands of decorative ones.Most libraries won't have a copy because it gets stolen a lot and it's a fairly expensive book to replace. I believe though the internet archive has a copy. If it doesn't, I'm going to turn mine into a PDF file and post it there
>>2771885My dad had a copy he got given to him by some old time sailor who was retiring and my dad was going to be off work for a few months recovering from malaria. The cool thing about my copy is it used to have a dust jacket made from an Old Navy map of some unknown Coral asshole that was in the pacific. I really wish I could remember what the island look like or have that one but oh well.
>>2771887Atoll not asshole. Fuck I hate autocorrect
>>2771887My problem is two of my three best friends worked in the logging industry and the fishing industry respectively. They have not making schools of decades. And whenever I try to not something up I always make a mess of it and have to fix it for me. That's why I usually use those ratchet straps instead to secure stuff.
>>2771856And you can do it easily on a bight.
>>2771890What kind of bite. That isn't a knot, it's a classification of knots. Please learn the basics before you keep repeating your mistakes.
>>2771856it's still a temporary knot that requires constant pressure to remain in place.
>>2771596>A clove hitch is easy to adjustNot when it's got tension on it. If it needs adjusted, just use an Italian hitch and secure it with a ½ hitch or two.
>>2771889>the fishing industryI used to raft/kayak guide, fishing at the moment. The deckies call knots all kinds of fucky things, I swear they have 3 names for the same knot depending how you tie it. Credit to them, they tie off the net with a daisy-chain. It's the only practical use of it I've ever seen.
>>2772254Why do you clueless idiots always take the most authoritative of tones?
>>2770046Shoelace knot is useful, I use it every time I go out
>Ctrl f>no mention of splicingdog bones for larks head hitching are indispensable
>>2772431well yes, you adjust it and cinch it in place to lock it in. a munter is more for controlled release than for adjusting and tightening and securing it isn't as quick or convenient for general applications.
>>2771890you can tie groundline hitch on a bight just as easily but i cannot honestly fathom a use case for either of those
I learn knots and then forget them by the time I need it.
>>2772539you probably tie it wronghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgSwvDkJVxE&ab_channel=ProfessorShoelace
Any of you knotheads have an opinion on the various bowlines?I almost always use a cowboy bowline (aka left handed bowline) but I've always wondered if it matters or makes any difference.
>>2772832Try using spaced repetition (SLS learning). It's perfect for leaning things you use sporadically.
>>2773936SRS learning, rather.
need to learn these for my gf
>>2773931I didn't realize there was a different type? A bowline should have the reaming end in the middle of the loop, when tied, because in boating situations the whole knot can be pulled through a metal loop without snagging or getting hung up.
>>2773931anything goes and it'll probably never make any difference as long as you don't tie the sheet bend with ends going the opposite ways.locked bowlines are nice, the scott's locked one and the enhanced bowline are the better ones for easy tying with the former also having the absolute life saving security. locked variants solve the issues you can have with loop loading better than thinking about bowline variants too.if you repeat the same movements that you do when you tie a bowline normally, i.e. with the loop pointing towards yourself and the rope going away from you, if you do the same actions while the loop is pointing away from you, i.e. going around a pole in front of you, and the loose end is going towards you then you end up with the eskimo bowline, which is a regular bowline flipped around.
>>2773954just so you know, there are over 100 bowline knot variants out there, and that's just those described in literature without counting the different names for the same knot.
>>2773980>googles bowline>1 ResultehhhhIts for use on the bow of a boat and I've never heard of any other kind.. can you name some?
>>2773978>no sourcewhoever made this is an idiot. Only one of those is a bow line. I see the confusion. If you pull them tight it becomes obvious.
>>2773978If you don't think a bow line is safe than you aren't finding the knot and still have an unsecure slip knot.
>>2774019There you go, this is the most extensive list i've found. https://www.morethanknots.com/bowline/bowline_list.html
>>2774020>>2774025>reee the bowline knots aren't "bow lines" because uhhhh boatsDid parents drop you on your head or were you born brain damaged?
>>2770510>if you know the method that allows you to tie the loop around something before tightening itGreat list explanation anon, just further to your point above, you can tie the bowline left and right handed this way if you're in a tight spot and need to do it one handed. Genuinely couldn't imagine tying it any other way once you learn how. >>2771885>find a copy of Ashley's book of knotsall time goat book. My copy was handed from my grandfather to father to me. Be careful in your knot autism though anons - tugfags will chew your ear off given half a chance about their spastic knot autism, and it can also lead to a crippling interest in shibari and finding a rope bunny to wife.
Bowline Alpine butterfly PrusikTruckers hitchThat will do most things.
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