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>>2775489There's also no /hgm/ in the title
Anyone know if these are edible? The gourd not the kid
>>2775495The kid is definitely edible. Babies taste best
>>2775495Unless it's some kind of squash, I'd eat the kid before I tried the gourd.
It's time
>>2775575Almost 2 kg, the biggest I harvested, not bad for the first attempt
>>2775577Very tasty"Rosario" F1
>>2775575Beautiful. I've got some watermelons growing too, however, all of the leaves are much smaller than that. I'm getting an absolute shitload of new leaves but everything maxes out at maybe 1/3rd of what it should be. Regardless, got 5 fruits growing right now, we'll see how it turns out.
>>2775485No title(embed) (embed)(Dead) (Dead)Wrong previous linkI appreciate that you tried op, kek.
>>2775688I took over because the previous OP would let the thread die from being out of bumps and then not create a new one for a week+. We're in the growing season here, gotta make hay while the air is still warm!
My average first frost date comes before the end of the month and my tomatoes are just barely starting to flower. I'm so fucked.
>>2775485Trying for pawpaws for the first time. I currently have some seeds stratifying in the fridge. Has anyone had success raising their own seedlings? Did you start them inside or outside? When do you transplant, after last frost?
Do you guys brew tea out of woods' leaf mold? Can you inoculate your worm bin too with it?
>>2775716Quite soWhat happened? Did you plant too late?
>>2775697"Letting the thread die" only counts on fast boards. After hitting bump limit the thread stays around for almost another week, it'd be pointless to instantly make a new one. I don't mind that much, but please take like 15 seconds next time and pay some attention to what you are posting and to check titles etc.We're awfully close to 400 and breaking the numbering system sucks for searchability in the archive.
>>2775485I know this place
So I decided to leave the ants to drown for ~3 hours. About half the ants escape so I have to leave it outside. Then the other half drown and end up in the bowl. Quite a few dead ones left in the petals and only a few live. This at least made it easier to get rid of them
>>2775826No. A late frost in July killed all of my annuals. I bought some clearance rack tomatoes and peppers to see if I could get some kind of yield and all of the peppers and half the tomatoes were eaten by grasshoppers. I'm going to plant kale around them and bury them in straw each night starting soon. Hopefully that will insulate them enough that I can get a decent amount of fruit off them.
>>2775945>late frost in JulyWhere do you live to get frost as late as July?You would really benefit from a greenhouse if you have frosts this late
>>2775948Zone 5 I don't want to be more specific than that. I move my plants inside every night for months before I transplant them. The frost came a couple weeks after I thought it would be safe to transplant them. Next year I might use water cloches.
>>2776002july frost, here last in mai, mid germany! july is full summer.
>>2776034The end of May is the average last frost here too. It was just a random cold snap. Next year I'll do things a little differently.
>>2776074I don't have any hope in climatic regularity anymore
About to pull up all the stuff that isn't done yetSeason's ending, I prefer to amend the containers for next year than cope any more
Which manure do (You) prefer?
>>2775924How did you remove the boomer carpet? (grass) is that landscaping fabric over the soil, or is the soil really just that wet and fine?
>>2775819Just put the leaf mold directly in your worm bin. There's not going to be very many nutrients in uncomposted leaves.
>>2776218That's part of what I'm going to do differently next year.
>>2776251NTA. Just smother it. You can use tarps or cardboard. The cardboard will break down over a few months and you can plant through it or in some soil on top of it. You can also invert the lawn. Use a shovel to cut up and turn over small sheets of lawn so that the grass is covered and the roots are exposed. I don't recommend tilling. It won't kill all the grass and it will bring weed seeds to the surface.
>>2776233Whatever is free
>>2776257I have optionsI just want something clayy to fix my sandy ass soil, dunno which would be the best>>2776255Not sure what I'm gonna do myself, this weather fucked everything up
>>2776256>cardboardgod no
>>2776306Then use tarps or invert the lawn. I gave you a few options.
>>2776303I'd recommend horse manure. The grass is less digested so the organic matter lasts longer. Any manure will help condition your soil. You might want to mix in some crushed lump charcoal. It will help your soil hold nutrients.
>Bush bean randomly decides to become a climbing oneWill the seeds from this plant also be climbing beans?
>>2776324Only one way to find out, Mendel
>>2776251It's landscaping fabric to suppress weeds and it's tilled before it was rolled there, I reclaimed this part of lawn just this may, this garden used to be significantly smaller, pic related.I like using landscaping fabric so I don't need to weed but it's only possible when you are growing larger plants like peppers in this photo, something like radish needs to be sown far too densely for fabric to be viableWhat I do when expanding my garden is:>Remove topmost 5 cm of soil and throw it into the soil pile upside down to break down for when I need soil somewhere>Till the remaining soil one spade deep and remove all roots and stones so rhizomes and trees won't fuck with my garden >Level freshly tilled soil and it's ready for planting, you should plant or cover it asap to not give weeds any time to sproutOptionally you can till in aged manure or fertilizer by throwing it on top after removing grass and tiling it in in the next stepDon't just cover it with cardboard, rhizomes and more stubborn weeds will easily survive this and bounce right back, you need to remove their roots and then weed anything that you missed plus you'll lose all that time you could be growing something there
Update on wine, after fermentation stops yeast will start to die and fall to the bottom with debris that got through filter screen, it's that white layer on the bottom.While wine already got much clearer it'll be a long time before it's completely clear.
I have very limited space and a bunch of container-grown sweet potatoes in one area, the issue is the sweet potato plants are all trying to colonize each other and rooting in each others' pots. Which isn't really a problem in and of itself, except it'll be a giant tangled mess if I ever need to move the plants. Is there any good way I can keep these guys contained to their pots other than buying a dozen trellises?
Tecoma stans, january 2022 - september 2024
I collected gum nuts from almost every type of Eucalyptus on the property and had them drying in some paper in the sun for a week, hope I can get some trees out of these eventually.
>>2776369You should siphon that off every ouple weeks. If the dead yeast starts to decompose, it ruins the flavor.
I want the world to burn.
Just found out through a new neighbor that when my place was built they put down chemicals that were supposed to keep anything from growing for 20 years. I've lived here for a few years now, and every single year my landlord gets pissed at me for the lawn not growing at all, or growing in very sparsely, and I've spent hundreds of dollars on excessive watering, seeds, fertilizer, etc. Kinda mad about it actually. Also makes a lot of sense why every flower I transplanted into the ground would die a few days later.
>>2776673>that when my place was built they put down chemicals that were supposed to keep anything from growing for 20 yearsfucking hoa
>>2776673Fuck your landlord. Any idea what the chemical is?
Fall garden update: golden beets doin bretty fuggin güd, frisee or endive, whatever you wanna call it not so much. For some reason I bought the shittiest seed starting soil in stock nearby and the seedlings are struggling (next pic)
why is there mulch in seed starting mix? I somehow didn't feel it through the bag when I bought it. No wonder it was $2.50 a bag for 1 cu ft
Taking pics in the black darkness is hard, this well-feed spider is huge. The green night crawl did not spring the trap.
This watermelon kind of looks like an old man's scrotum.
Guerrilla pumpkin grower reporting.I harvested several smaller pumpkins already and those plants had died. 2 pumpkins had been harvested young by unknown anthropoid.pic is the smaller one about 4-5lbs maybe.
>>2776748This is the other larger of the two still growing.
>>2776749
>>2776748>>2776749>>2776750dang, how do you keep pests away?
>>2775485Anyone into rabbit husbandry? I removed a botfly larvae recently. It made me recoil in disgust. Rabbits are tough as nails. I gotta guy with swollen testicles...idk if it's bacterial or something else. I cant rationalize insanely expensive vet appointments for replaceable rabbits.
>>2776751I didn't do anything.Totals:6(8)4 harvested by me,1 had grubs2 lost to humans(cut stems)2 still growing
>>2776748Based
I figured out how much garlic I'll be able to plant in my new bed so I set aside enough bulbs. I'll be able to plant 60 which is nearly triple that of my old bed. With that much I'll probably start giving garlic away to people I know. But the more garlic I have the more I seem to use.This fall will be my 4th year planting garlic since I was given a single bulb to start. I think I harvested 11 the first 2 years, 22 this year with 1 dud. It has to be one of the lowest effort crops to grow.
>>2776935Hope you're planting that nice soft white garlic if you're doing it yourself, I love it
>>2776719Nope, no clue. But it was probably done over 20 years ago, considering some 20 something delivered something to my place once and talked about how it was where he grew up. So maybe the tons of squash and tomatoes I've grown in ground aren't going to kill me since I already ate them all.
>>2776599I know, it barely finished fermentation at this point, I usually wait 2~3 weeks after it's done before I siphon it out.
After it quite abruptly out of nowhere got really cold a week ago in Germany, with a nighttime low of around 5 C (40F for Americans) my chili plants that looked super healthy before got some unhealthy/battered looking leaves. Temps are back up now, it was just 2 nights, but do I just leave them with a healthy serving of "it is what it is" or is there something I can do to help the plant be happier? Do I cut the affected leaves? Or are they still a net nutrient benefit?
>>27771505C in pots is rough because of the rootsI'd give them extra liquid vermicompost I guess, not much else you can do
>>2777192Sounds good, I'll do that. I was caught off guard by the cold shock, had a lot going on and only noticed the next day when I woke up that it had gone down so hard the night before. At least it didn't die and some of the other chilis are a lot less affected.Thanks anon.
How can I ensure the kidney bean lives? It's going to a 7 gallon pot. Also is urine good for kale?
>>2777253beans generally grow like weeds. A 7 gallon pot should be more than enough for it to thrive. friends have grown 6ft tomato plants out of 5 gallon paint buckets, so don't worry.>Also is urine good for kale?lol idk man. when dogs piss on grass or plants they usually die. Seems like an elaborate troll to me. Doesn't mean I haven't seen people arguing otherwise though.
>>2777253>>2777266Urine can be good for plants. Leafy greens like kale are heavy nitrogen feeders, so the urea should be beneficial. I think the high pH is what kills grass when dogs piss on it. Add a pH indicator like red cabbage juice and neutralize it with an acid like vinegar or dilute it with water until it's near 7 pH. Pic related. If it's pink or blue then it can damage the roots and kill the plant. You can also try soaking crushed lump charcoal in the urine for a week or two to make a slow release fertilizer that shouldn't affect the pH too much. I have never tried any of this with urine so if you do then post your results.
>>2777266How many kidney bean plants do you think should go in a 7 gallon? Couldn't be more than two.
>>2777276two is a safe bet.
>>2777276>>2777281I should have elaborated, two is a safe bet but you need loose soil and "organic" fertilizer. I won't bore you on the details but basically you need chicken shit, worm shit or bone meal with containers because the more you water them, the more nutrients wash out.
I have several rocks in my garden that were used as a rough lawn edging. I'm replacing them with some nice wooden edging, but is there anything I can do with the old rocks? They're about 6 to 10 inches by 4 inches. I was thinking of putting them all together and trying to grow lichens and moss on them in a shaded area?
>>2777276I've planted three longbeans in one 4ga one before and it worked pretty okayJust don't overcrowd the leaves because they'll get eaten by powdery mildew in an instant
>>2777319Sounds nice
Found what looks like powdery mildew on one of my sunflower/jerusalem artichokes. Plants around it seem unaffected so far. Cut it off and throw away to protect the plants around or leave and hope the plant handles it? It doesn't look like it's super sick other than the mildew.
>>2777365Hose them down with milk
is "blast it with milk" the new "piss on your plants"
>>2777365crydesui tried all the methods and it doesn't really work besides very heavy pruning to slow it down a bit
>>2777369I'm hearing cut it off and hope it didn't spread then kek.I've already stopped growing sorrel because it usually is the first to get mildew and spread it, but my guess is the sudden cold temps recently stressed my plants. Here's to hoping it didn't spread yet.
For what it's worth, my little balcony has reached peak comfy levels.
>>2777365Just leave it be, It's mid september and they'll be dying down in a month anyways.Mine have mildew since July and are still doing fine.>>2777369>>2777376Don't prune, it does more damage than mildew itself and doesn't stop mildew anyways
>>2777365Dilute milk to 10% and spray it over the leaves
>>2775485I'm thinking of getting into alternate meat preserving techniques.>cold cuts, sausages, salami, cold smoking, salt cures, etc. Planning to start with Lonzino>get pork loin>cover in salt>leave in fridge for 2 weeks>pull out and hang in basement for 2 months
>>2777464hey it's gonna taste better toojust don't poison yourself, gotta be the right athmosphere or whatever
>>2777382Might place them a bit away from the other plants just to make sure, but thanks for the info anon, I'll see what happens. Thanks!
>>2777470I appreciate it, bud. I've been researching all day and figured this might be one of the best places to collaborate. It'd be nice to have better meat at cheaper prices. If you want it done right, do it yourself!
>>2777365>Plants around it seem unaffected so far.Supposedly there's numerous different types of powdery mildew, that each focus on specific types of plants.If that's the case, though, then I've no idea how I got one that fucks up my squashes every year when I'm nowhere near their native range.
Closing the green house doors for the first time in months. Getting down to 1C tonight but then the forecast looks good for the next 2 weeks. Need to protect my 10 foot tall cherry tomato tree which is still cranking out fruit.
It's over
It only just started
Next year will be the year for sure for sure
>grow brassicas>devoured by caterpillars>grow squash>Oops! All Powdery Mildew!Do I have any other options for this course of the rotation besides just corn?
>>2777920I get no pests or disease on peppers here although I have to go through the hassle of starting them in february and keeping them somewhere warm and bright until may
>>2777920Milk diluted to 10% treats powdery mildew. You should try to keep a few wasp nests around to solve your caterpillar problem. It's very satisfying to watch the wasps hover around your plants and then fly away with the caterpillars that have been eating them. Corn is a very heavy nitrogen feeder so make sure you're prepared with 200 lbs of nitrogen per acre. That's roughly 0.074 ounces of nitrogen per square foot.
>>2777917I say this every year.
>>2777920>>2777921Same but mine were badNo disease though>>2777922Is there anything to the milk thing besides folk wisdom? I tried it, did nothing. Same with soap and oil and shit.
>>2777927 meOk, there is something to it apparently>In 2009 the treatments were changed to evaluate the effect of milk applied alone, and the compost teas were evaluated without the additional milk application. In both locations the compost teas provided no control of powdery mildew when compared to the untreated control plots. The milk treatment provided significantly less disease than the untreated control, and the chemical treatment had equal or significantly less disease than the milk. In greenhouse trials the milk treatment was as effective as the chemical control, and the enhancer products, liquid seaweed and humic acid, were as effective as the compost teas at suppressing powdery mildew with all treatments reducing disease when compared with the untreated control.
>>2777929 me againAlthough they tested a 40% milk 60% water solution so do that I guess
Raspberry still doing well, ate a few handfuls today
Fig is also looking nice despite recent cold nights
What's happening to my cantaloupe? First time growing anything in the area, just used the soil below. They seemed to do fine until fruiting. It's been unseasonably hot in Georgia but I've been watering every couple days. Great drainage. Did I muck them up by adding coffee grounds?
>>2777974Coffee grounds are acidic af raw so probablyBut lying like that could just be any kind of rot
>>2777927>>2777929>>2777930The residue milk leaves behind will also kill sucking insects like aphids. I've heard that fermented milk works better, but I've never tried it.
>>2768418the loupe was split after getting four inches of rain two days ago so i pulled her in. the armor worked really well, zero pest damage on this one. check em weight digits.
Is the kidney bean ready to transplant? How about the beet?
>>2776233I can never find cow manure. Most online retailers won't sell to America. Strange.
>>2778226I dunno, what's your temps? Only reason to make seedlings out of legumes instead of planting directly is if it's too cold. Also those beets look DOA leggy.>>2778227No one around you? Even in my hyperindustrial region there are people giving it away.
>>2778237Why would they be giving away manure? Why would they bother picking it up?
>>2778239I dunno, maybe they don't need it nor have a garden. Easier to post it and hope people pick it up, and they will if it's free.But there are a few offers around me.
What's up guys. I just got done with a work contract that had me gone 6 days a week, so the garden is looking wild. Here in zone 9b, the only thing you can grow in the summer is okra, which is why I have the wild patch on the side of my house. I started some brassicas a few weeks ago but they got leggy. The ones that survived transplanting are looking pretty decent. I started some more a few days ago, and my girlfriend started some flowers. I'll start the faster growing greens in a few weeks when average daily temp gets down to 85Not pictured, my backyard orchard with all sorts of tropicals>>2775924Very beautiful, I'm so nostalgic for your climate, these pics make me so jealous>>2776256>>2776251I've been removing my lawn piece by piece with cardboard, and the city has a free mulch program, so I dump like 6 inches on top of that. Really helps with fertility, my area is pretty nutrient bare>>2776369How long do you usually wait to bottle? I'm so impatient, I usually never bottle and just wait for the sweetness to go away. I always feel a little psychedelic with unfinished wine, I might be giving myself autobrewery syndrome
>>2778239Because barns and stables get filled with shit and need to be cleaned.
>>2778243>>2778240Interesting. Sorry for the stupid question, we don't really have stable kept cows around me
>>2778244Are you somewhere really hot or at the nomadic steppe?
>>2778237I am container gardening. Zone 9, Arizona
>>2778247Yeah, this is me >>2778241It doesn't snow so a lot of people just have a cow in their yard if they live outside of town
>>2778248I'd personally wait till the roots fill the pots fully if it's hot enough to plant out already>>2778253Coolio
It seems I need to setup a game cam.
How the hell do I get my sweet potatoes to grow like this? I'm salty as fuck.
>>2778358Anybody here bokashi?
>>2778362>bokashiWhat does this mean?
>>2778407Bokashi is a form of anaerobic lactic acid bacteria fermentation. It's used instead of composting or as one step in a composting process.>>2778362I never got around to buying the bran, but I was going to use it as a first step for processing cat litter. Do you biochar?
>>2775945>were eaten by grasshoppershave you tried decapitating them with nichirin shears ?
>>2777365accelerateprune vigorously, add genetically diverse sunchokes, let them reseedbreed a new landracefight with the mildew to the death
>>2777496Frost is pretty rare in my climate (central North American corn country) until the last week of October, but almost everything edible loses considerable growing thrust by now due to the lower length and intensity of daylight, pretty much regardless of conditions in other respects. Some tropicals like mandevilla and impatiens, that hate dry heat or temperatures anywhere above 30C noticeably improve, but so also does just about any dianthus, at the same time that volunteer violas come back as if from the grave of August's desert heat. Recently I've collected hundreds of seed-heads from about a dozen petunias I especially like, both heirloom packet variety and some only available as commercially grown plants, that I've grown right next to eachother in short range of pollinators, just to see what the results are next year.
>>2775495To be honest, it probably depends on the stage of growth. (not the kid's) Even zucchini becomes more of an inedible gourd than a table item if it gets above a certain size and consistency. It also happens that the kind of pumpkins grown for pie are rather smol, and a lot less watery than those grown for Halloween lanterns. Not that I'd eat either in the form of squash.
>>2778508There's way too many for that. I got some chickens to help with the plague.
Wine update, today we are siphoning liquid out to get rid of dead yeast.As usual starts with cleaning and disinfecting new jar.Also gonna siphon one bottle for taste testing.
>>2778691Height difference is necessary for siphoning, doesn't need to be a lot, half a meter is usually enough
I just learnt that modern San Marzanos aren't even real San Marzanos but post-wipeout replacement hybrids. Good I didn't get those seeds.
>>2778692Simple food grade PVC tube is enough, one end goes into wine the other needs to be primed, you can simply draw air in with your mouth but if you are afraid of contamination (shouldn't happen with so much alcohol) you can get a pipe with a hand pump.Some sediment will get into your tube, it's basically inevitable if you want to get all the liquid out so using some sort of filter is a good idea.You might need to tilt the jar to get everything out.You can do it on your own if you have something to hold the other end of the tube for you but if you can get help it's much easier done with someone's help.
>>2778696Dead yeast and fruit part remains. While it's possible to get all the liquid out it's usually not worth the hassle, just get rid of this.With wine siphoned and yeast removed now I'll leave it for at least a month, it'll slowly clear over time.>>2778241>How long do you usually wait to bottle?Usually about half a year but I siphon some of over time for tasting and to restock my bottled supply and to make champagne because it's much easier if I don't need to add any new yeast because there is still some live yeast left.
>>2775490They don't want thread like this so they shadow ban it kinda.
>>2778528I'm already engaged in a Fatwa with the aphids, if I spread myself too thin I might not be able to hold the line anon.
>>2778801Milk will kill aphids too. Two birds one stone.
Are thai egg shaped eggplants worth growing?
>>2775580Fun, but extremely gay fact: Cutting melons like this is why melons are like the fourth highest source of food poisoning. You take your knoife to the dirty melon skin and use the blade to force whatever lived on the skin down into the sweet flesh that it, and you, want to eat, and if it happens to be something that would make you sick, you end up eating it along with the flesh and getting sick. The "proper" way to do it is to peel melons before cutting them. That said, I bash them in with a baseball bat and eat the chunks, personally. I'm not suggesting you change your methods, but if you read this, now you know.
>>2779093Couldn't you just wash the outside of the melon
>>2779093My favorite food poisoning fact is that it can begin like a month after exposure, hence why it's hard to pinpoint actual causes in real life for people.
>>2775495cut it & taste it>bitter = bad>pumpkin taste = pumpkin
HODL
>>2779171fuck there's blood everywhere what the hell did you d
>>2779093sounds completely retarded.>>2779170what fucking food poisoning takes a MONTH to show up?!
>>2779422>what fucking food poisoning takes a MONTH to show up?!Maybe if you eat a turtle...
>>2779422bacteria growth in gut takes time until it becomes recognized as an issue to the immune systemonce the harmful bacteria hits levels that make it a danger, only then does the body recognize itit just so happens it usually happens 1-2 weeks after the fact for most cases, with some taking up to a month
>>2779176I'm going to have to cover my tomatoes tomorrow. I've been lucky so far. The first frost is a couple weeks late and the lows come up after that. A really late last frost killed all my tomatoes after they had been transplanted and I replaced them with some cheap tomatoes I found marked way down at a hardware store. They just barely starting fruiting so I hope I can get at least a pound of tomatoes before the cold kills them.
i'm in south east asia casual growing in my dense clay lawnstarted a tray of cherry tomato seedling (seeds from store produce) in ground(clay) and in pot(compost)when i uproot to transplate EVERY single one of them have swollen sections of their rootsat this point i'm not sure if it's root knot or is it a solanae feature
>>2778429>>2778407>muh ancient oriental wisdom!i just let my stuff rot pretty badly, and anaerobically in a lidded bucketbefore throwing them into the pileso that i can be sure every plant life in the stuff is pretty much dead before going into the pile
Harvested some Sichuan pepper today, it smells absolutely amazing.
>>2779505Never seen that in mine, alls I can say.
>>2779533how do you grow it and where?
>>2779506You should learn how to compost properly.
>>2779536You can grow it in containers, but I grow it in the garden in a pretty suboptimal spot near a wall in half shade, it's a surprisingly easy to grow plant. Takes like 3 years to bear fruit though if you grow it from seed. Only real danger would be if it was in soil that didn't drain well enough, but other than that it just does it's thing. It even handles the cold well.I'm in Germany, so winters do get cold, and it doesn't have any issue with that.
>4 days of non-stop rain after an entire summer long drought split all the remaining tomatoes and made my raspberries go moldyI'll never recover
>>2779573Home gardening makes you understand why Joe the Farmer prefers to spray his shit with death chemicals
>>2779574It really do be like that
>>2779573Just cover them with a tarp.
My soil is mix of gravel made from limestone and clay. about 50-50. No sand or silt. How is this type of soild called and can you grow anything in it?
>>2779595Check the pH. I suspect it's too high to grow most plants, but some like high pH. You can extract the clay and use it to line a hole so it retains water and then you can probably grow pond or bog plants. You can amend it with sand or crushed lump charcoal to make it more loamy and that might help you grow a wider variety of plants. Some kind of organic matter like compost will also help to improve the soil. Obviously your native plants should grow just fine in it too.
>>2779596Thank you anon for the answer. PH is high, but don't know how high. I sprinkled some vinager and was pretty audible. The rain was falling pretty heavy whole day and it was was draining it pretry good, maybe too good (I assume from crushed limestone). There is only few trees for now. It was mostly wild grass and bushes. Probably because it has thin layer or proper soil above it. Didn't see much trees. Just fig and few random trees without fruit. Do you know how is this type of soil called? What is the biggest problems with soil like this?
>>2779601
>thripshow on earth do you deal with these things? They're on almost every plant in my garden and while they screw off for a bit if I spray for them, they just come back and reinfest everything after the pesticide wears off.
>>2779601>PH is high, but don't know how high.You can test the pH using cabbage juice as an indicator. Soak the soil with your indicator and let it sit for like an hour, then filter the soil out and check the color against the chart in this post >>2777273>I sprinkled some vinager and was pretty audible.Not sure what you mean by that, but vinegar won't change the pH by very much for very long. Lowering the pH of soils is very difficult. In large agricultural applications they use a calculated amount of sulfuric acid periodically, but that's temporary too. It will be easier for you to use compost or other organic matter to change the pH, but it will take a lot. >The rain was falling pretty heavy whole day and it was was draining it pretry good, maybe too good (I assume from crushed limestone).Interesting. You should check your soil texture. It might not be as high in clay as you think. I'll post a picture for how to test the texture by hand, but you can also use a jar of water. Get a sample, remove the rocks so they don't break the jar, and then add your soil to the jar of water. Give it around 5 minutes to hydrate and then shake the jar. Let it settle for like an hour. It will settle out into sand, silt, and clay with sand being on the bottom and clay being on top. The thickness of the bands is the proportion of each in your soil. You can measure the layers with a ruler if you want to be more precise. Then you can use a soil texture triangle to determine the texture of your soil. I'll post that in another post. You might also want to note the proportion of gravel to soil.>Do you know how is this type of soil called?Probably some kind of aridisol if it's all rocks and clay with very low organic matter. It's hard to tell just by looking.Here's a list of crops that will tolerate high pH. You might not get very large harvests, but start with the soil you have and you can amend it gradually. https://www.hamiltonswcd.org/vegetablesforalkalinesoils.html
>>2775485My birdseye peppers I planted earlier this year are already looking great.
>>2779601>>2779613
>>2779614As are my muscadines. Though I will be transplanting them to the ranch soon.
>>2779613>vinagerI sprinkled it just to check if its acidic or not. If it fomas it has high ph, if it doesn't it's acidic. Unfortunately you can't say how high ph is by checking it like that.>particlesI crushed some soil and put it in jar. It was about half of gravel and half of cla no organic matter or anything else. Than I filtered through holes about 1.5 mm big and ended up with pure clay.
>>2779623Btw that line isn't different type of soil but glass being scratched.
>>2779623A better one. Last one was blurry
>>2779632>>2779623Are you sure it's not 50% clay, 10% silt, and 40% sand? If you push your fingers to the bottom and pull a pinch out is it gritty? Either way your soil texture is definitely clay, but if I see the layers properly then it's close to being sandy clay or clay loam. The limestone raising the pH over 7 is the biggest problem for your soil in my opinion.
>>2779636I grabbed some of the bottom. In the bottom 20% it has some bigger particles inside but its mostly creamy.
>>2779637That sounds like clay, but that dark line across the middle makes me think there's three distinct layers there. Maybe try the finger test.
>>2779639Did try. It feels like there are some particle of sand in the clay at the bottom. But not much. It is only present in bottom 20-25% rest is just silky/creamy. I would say at least 75% ultra fine uniform particles at top and the bottom mixed some sand with clay or whatever. I tried do scoop some with the spoon and that about 75-80% sticks to the spoon and bottom 20-25% is less compact.
>>2779640And that is after I filtered gravel and maybe some big particles of sand. Before filtration it was about half of gravel and some of clay would fall through holes most way down to fill the gaps and rest kf the clay sat atop.
>>2779640>>2779641I think you should try to put down a living mulch of alfalfa. It won't grow well, but if you water in a mycorrhizal inoculant that has nitrogen fixing bacteria then it will add nitrogen to your soil and improve the soil organic matter. Just mow it or cut it short periodically. Try growing crops off of that list I gave you. Use the crop residue as a mulch for sheet composting. It will take years to improve the soil to the point that you can grow other crops so you might want to try container gardening for crops that won't tolerate high pH like tomatoes.
>>2779595>>2779602she's a marl, anon
Is this a broccoli seedling?
I've been keeping those leftover tomato cuttings in very small pots on my windowsill and they're surprisingly large.
>>2779767You're going to have one hell of a head start
>>27797771-year-old seedling :-)
>>2779784Try growing a few without tomato cages. Give them extra space so they can sprawl and be prepared to fight your way through when it comes time to harvest.
>>2779794I wonder how long are they actually going to last. Surely once they fill out the pots and it gets darker they'll start wilting.
10 foot tall cherry tomato plant still doing well in the greenhouse. I have a step ladder in there to help get the ones high up. A week ago I trimmed the leaders as it is getting late for any new flowers to amount to anything. Running out of vertical room to grow, some of the branches grew sideways another 4 feet.
I decided to do a fall garden to get better at seed starting for next season and I'm still having problems starting in trays. I know the seed starting mix I got isn't optimal and I can blame the slow growth on it, but to me, these endive seedlings look pale. Which is the same problem I had in spring. I don't understand, there's more sunlight now, higher temps and this mix has earthworm castings vs. the basically inert coco coir mix I used in spring. I do not understand.
Gonna be getting two sackfulls of horseshit from some local guy for 2 bucks. Good deal considering what big store manure costs.
>>2779817>Surely once they fill out the pots and it gets darker they'll start wilting.Nah. Tomatoes are perennials. As long as you can keep them from freezing to death they'll grow for years. You might have to worry about them getting leggy without extra light, or getting root rot if they outgrow their containers
>>2779864Well, here's to.I actually had one cutling grow a tiny green tomato right in the cup of water I put them in to root.
>>2779826I'm considering a greenhouse for next year. That looks neat, but how is it held down? Would it hold up against a decent wind?
>>2779869Cute. Did it already have a small tomato growing on it or did it develop from a flower while it was in the cup?
>>2779947Pretty sure flower. It was a sucker prune. Must've been pollinated.
I just had a concrete pad poured for muh greenhouse, it should be done curing tomorrow and I can begin putting it together
>>2780015sexy
>>2779940I screwed the feet to some pressure treated wood and covered the wood base in dirt on one side because the green house straddles the edge of the garden. Its also much heavier than a typical greenhouse of that size since I made it out of an old gazebo frame with 4x the footprint. It has been very stable even on days where we had 90 km/h winds, but it never really takes the full brunt of the wind as it is shielded by fences.
Despite the recent ground frost and cold weather peppers are still in good shape. Harvested 4 kilograms today, they aren't fully ripe but I doubt they would reach full ripeness this late into season if I left them for longer anyways.
>>2780353That bottommost one looks like it'd be so sweet
>>2779430food poisoning is very acute though.
/hgm/ bros, what do i do with aroud 40kg of "atlantic giant" pumpkin?i enjoy growing pumpkin but the taste is mehchickens eat it, puree is a good way to incorporate it in foodscan you ferment it? and is the wine drinkable or should i distill it?pjmpkin is fun and rewarding to grow
>>2780526anything with sugar can be fermented & distilleda lot of people like pumpkin beer tooone thing you could do is dehydrate it, then powder it, makes an easy soup base, and a good gift when put in a mason jar, lasts long in storage tooyou could also candy it, like lemon peelpumpkin rolls are really good, and again, make a good gift, and a half baked roll, thats then frozen, can be fully cooked later for a good quick desert
>>2780526Stick it up your bum, kin.Truthfully, I don't know how that variety tastes. My usual pumpkin uses would be as oven veggies (similar to how you would prepare oven potatoes), soups, and pumpkin pie. It also makes a good addition to curries, again like you'd use potato. 40 kgs is a lot though, friends and family might enjoy a pumpkin as a gift I suppose, and as you said they might work well as feed.
>>2780503Can happen within a day. Can also happen those weeks later.
>>2780526pumpkin chili is quite good.
Yam/sweet potato VinesEdible
>>2780530>>2780549>>2780557thanks, appreciate it anonsill try to make some pumpkin wine once they ripen a bit morenights are frosty already so pumpkins were harvested while still yellow in color, they'll ripen and turn orange by Christmas.wine, dehydrate, pureed, and just boiled/baked as chicken feed is probably all ill bother trying this yearive found puree to be quite versatile. easy to substitute water in recipes for bread, non-intrusive addition to sauces and some stews. i assume dehydrated pumpkin powder works similarly
The last watermelon of this season, plant died from cold before it was fully ripe, still pretty good.
Still getting some everbearing strawberries despite cold, this is "San Andreas", really good taste.
>>2780569I got a lot of those in pots and beds, I'll likely have more than I know what to do with. Which cultivar do you have and is it good?I have "Okinawa" and "African Orange" this year, they are much better than the ones I bought in grocery store and planted last year.I should have made side by side photo of those, they look very distinctive from each other.
>>2780594Photo from when they were planted, two in the front are "Okinawa", you can see distinctive sharp leaves, completely different from heart shaped "African Orange"
>>2780596>>2780594Fuck
Also found a photo from 29th May, soon after peppers from >>2775485 were planted
>>2780594I have no idea on what cultivar they are I just brought some sweet potatoes last year and had some leftovers that sprouted So I was like might as wellThey're not that sweet I do like the vines with dried fish though Also use the leaves to make tamale like wrappings for food that I steam
>>2780015I lied, I spent yesterday unpacking the boxes and sorting all the pieces and started building today. I got all 4 walls done, not bad considering it says it takes 2 people and I'm working alone
>>2775485bathroom cayenne pepper plant is doing greattoday i added some soil to the pot, since it settled over the now almost 2 years its been there, i also put some woodchips to help even out the watering & hopefully keep the gnats awayi also took one of the branches & raised it up, hopefully it'll act as a new trunki think i've collected about 100 peppers by now, love this little thing
>>2780663Do you keep the lamp on all day or how does that plant get enough light?
>>2780669its got 4 lights above it, i replaced the bulbs with grow light bulbs, they work greatits only on for about half the day, i make sure it gets some rest, i've been doing this for about 2 years now, so i have to be doing something rightsoon a few more plants will join it, i got some bean plants outside in some buckets, when a freeze comes, i'll stow them ini'm thinking of putting netting across the ceiling for the vining plants, so they have room to spread
>>2780672I still have to think about making that little permagarden indoors.
>>2780672That makes more sense, the plant looks good, so I was wondering. Do you help the flowers fertilize with a brush, occasionally? I doubt I'll have a bathroom plant anytime soon, but that does look very appealing.
Harvested first sweet potatoes of this year for dinner today
>>27807581.28 kg from 12 liter pot. Apparently they are called "African Orange" because they are orange inside if the guy that sold me those is to be believed.
>>2780760Aren't ... all sweet potatoes orange inside?
>>2780793No
Lunch time
>>2780802Nice, didn't know that. They look nice.
I've made small attempts at gardening a few years ago. I wound up getting busy and had no follow through. Next year it's go big or go home. I read through the book of Ruth Stout now work method. I have years worth of 50+ year old hay and straw in an old barn. Pictured is two 16'x32' patches. The one on the left will be solely Rhubarb. The other one is for everything else. My grandmother was famous for her huge Rhubarb patch. It was 3 to 4 times larger than what I got planned out. It got slowly choked out by brome the last few years. I'm going to work on reestablishing it.
>>2780841I spread a small amount of commercial compost and worm castings over it. Probably not enough to be worth the effort though. Then I got cover crop seed coming tomorrow. I don't know if it's too late in the year to sow it or not. I plan on getting some red wiggler worms this spring.
>>2780841>Ruth StoutAIEEE
>>2780841>>2780844That should work great. Are you intending to leave the cover crop as a living mulch or are you going to kill it? I bet the hat will have enough nitrogen left over for some good growth.
>>2780753i don't do anything, but if i wanted to get more fruit, i'd just lightly shake the plant & flowers, thats the easiest way to fertilize them
>>2780865The vast majority wound up being straw rather than hay. A guy on a YouTube video mentioned that straw won't have anywhere near as much nitrogen as hay. As for the cover crop, I'm leaning real hard towards keepingas living mulch. I'm learning a lot about soil science. From what I've gathered it's roots in the ground that matter so much more than even mulch/compost above ground. I'm assuming living mulch does a great job at suppressing weeds too. I'm definitely going to have to mark where I plant vegetables and flowers. Otherwise I won't know what's all growing up out of that straw.
>>2780883I think a living mulch is the way to go, especially if it's something you don't have to cut back regularly. Have you considered an edible for your mulch like thyme? You're absolutely right about the roots too.
>>2775485Help me out lads, does adding manure affect soil ph? Planning on repotting currant plants and was wondering if I should give them some manure for a bit of help.
