Finally, a non cucked map for 2025 that takes into account:-natural beauty-weather-ease of access-activities other than mountaineering (fishing, hunting, birdwatching, canoeing, relaxing, hiking)-cost of going /out/-peace and quiet factor-safety from crime and wildlife-flora and fauna biodiversity
>>2790836what do the numbers mean?
>>2790836Explain the difference between montana and minnesota for example.
>>2790836Is this golf scoring? Lower the better?
kek those flyover fucks be real mad about CO, WY, MT, and CA. nailed the east coast at least.
>>2790841Multiple factors but the largest in favor of Minnesota is that it holds the source of the Mississippi, while negatives against Montana are that it has Grizzly populations and two of the most visited National Parks. I can explain more but essentially this is what the scores are like if you ignore mountains, since 99% of these maps are essentially just measuring whether normies perceive the state to have mountains or not. This map is instead correlated to the availability of peaceful time outdoors.>>2790837>>2790871It's 1-10 with 1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest.
>>2790888>1 being the lowestwhy tf is nj a 1?
>>2790889It's the most densely populated state with humid summers and cold winters, pollution, urban blight, high gas prices and expensive, essentially zero peace and quiet. The only thing it has going for it is that the hunting restrictions aren't as bad as you would think with a decently high bag limit.
>>2790888>This map is instead correlated to the availability of peaceful time outdoors.Yet Ohio is rated higher than Pennsylvania and West Virginia. Explain.
>>2790888Thats wierd cuz Montana holds the source of the missouri river - the longest river in the US. And having grizzlies indicates a level of habitat and wilderness that is certainly comparable to MN if not exceeds it considering how much space a single griz needs. Moreover, Montana has over twice as much public land as MN. Its natural beauty also exceeds that of MN. So, seems like a really retarded map.
>>2790905>So, seems like a really retarded map.It kind of is! Georgia is not too fucking bad itself and most of Georgia, it's either sex for deer hunting; we have some of the Appalachian mountains in the north and fishing is pretty good if you like both fresh and saltwater fishing. We also have almost 500,000 acres of wilderness in Georgia.
>>2790836>Texas >9bait thread, very feminine
>>2790898Ohio has great lakes access, and both PA and WV suffer from coal-mining scars while Ohio’s ecosystems are more balanced and user-friendly.>>2790905Quantity =/= qualitygrizzlies and mountains are not suited for someone looking for calm and peaceful communion with nature rather than adrenalinethe missouri is long, but again quality over quantity. The problem with you people is minmaxing every stupid metric, more elevation, more land, bigger, better, etc. it's idiotic. 150 years ago nobody in their right mind would agree that the terribly sublime mountains are more beautiful than the placid lake and woods. Your brain is infected by a diseased culture.>>2790911Texas earned its spot for sheer variety and accessibility, and the beauty of its niche ecosystems >picrelated
>>2790837how lgbt friendly the state is :)
>>2790911also, you'll notice that the number of peaceful rivers that are clean, easy to enjoy is a major factor in these rankings (esp with Missouri and Arkansas) Texas is very strong in this category. The Devils River is perhaps the best river in the USA for peaceful kayaking, but its not easily accessible - no matter, Texas has numerous other more accessible rivers that fit the bill
>fifteen replies to a bait threadwe should all ritually throw ourselves off buildings
>>2790933it's not bait
>>2790836Utah should be a 3. Terrible state
>>2790889Hyperurbanized state with very little by the way of /out/. >muh pine barrens!No.
Lol. The real map has been posted hundreds of times for the better part of 10 years for a reason. It's dead accurate.
>>2790891Nj has the highest amount of public forest land east of the Mississippi
>>2790974Outside of the northeast of the state this isn’t a problem.Northwest nj is great for out,pine barrens/wharton state forest is vast,Tom of protected marsh land in the south of the state. Everywhere that isn’t housing or farms is forest land.
>>2791000>>2791001It's the most densely populated state in the US with a population density of over 1200 people per square mile.
>>2791005doesnt matter. have you ever been here? im assuming not.
hey man the cackalackies aren't that bad
>>2790910>sex for deer huntingUh anon..
>>2790915>Texas>Sheer accessibility 98% of the state is private land, most public land is small and located either in the eastern half or northern half
>>2791045See >>2791007
>>2791047I live there
>>2791000>>2791005>>2790974the areas that were highly urbanzied and devloped into suburbs were almsot entirley farmland. no public forests were demolished for these developments. outside of ft.dix-lakehurst and naval base earl all forests in nj are public landyou can also see what areas were devloped into suburbs here:https://newjersey.maps.arcgis.com/apps/instant/media/index.html?appid=fcad50ae41634cd1aa293e3e47ce1c00nj used to have sprawling farmland and was almost entirely agrarian 80 years ago.
>>2790915>grizzlies and mountains are not suited for someone looking for calm and peaceful communion with nature rather than adrenalineGrizzlies occupy about 10% of the State. Its the 4th largest state. There many exceptional areas to commune with nature without threat of a grizzly. Really weak sauce. That being said, if you cant commune with nature in a calm and peaceful way simply because of an extremely small threat of an animal then that says more about you the nature in question. weak constitution.>the missouri is long, but again quality over quantity.The missouri is a quality river- one of the best trout fisheries in the country. its also much less developed than the miss in Mn with far less traffic. you seem to be ignorant about basic facts. >>2790915>The problem with you people is minmaxing every stupid metric>creates aribitrary metrics that are nonsensical and still cant defend them with anything factuallol.
>>2791070I ain't reading allat
>>2791070Yeah I don't think soYour metrics are all based on quantity while mine are based on quality. The issue isn't the idea of a metric itself, it's that the metric has to be tied to the minimum or maximum of something quantifiable.
These maps are meaningless because I guarantee very few, if any anons have been to all 50 states and explored the outdoor opportunities in each, so it's impossible for there to be a completely accurate and unbiased rating map
>>2790836I can't tell what the ranking system is supposed to be but>new jersey the same as oregonI'm guessing it's the number of homeless shelters.
>>2791142K E K
>>2790836>non cucked mapIt's just a "Texas Bestas" propaganda piece.
>>2791066anybody gonna comment on this?
>>2790888>two of the most visited National Parks.Why is this a negative aspect when you could easily avoid them by visiting other public lands nearby?>-ease of access>-cost of going /out/>-peace and quiet factorThis is the national forest. It's free, easy to access, and there's hardly anybody there. You need to look up the USFS Interactive Visitor Map.
This is retarded how you give Iowa or North Dakota higher anything in the Rockies shows what a complete/in/-tard you really are. Fuck off and don't come back.
>>2790836Can you create a key you dumb faggot? Holy shit you dumbasses never cease to amaze me.
>>2791245You're on /out/. Humble yourself.
>>2791047NTALive in Louisiana and have looked into what Texas has to offer. It’s not great for the reasons already stated. Great offshore fishing but overall not impressive.
>>2791142>Oregon is a 1This isn’t /pol/, and not all of Oregon is Portland. Absolutely gorgeous state. Same with California, though California looses a few points because it’s so damn crowded. Year round skiing. Great birdwatching (like all coastal areas). World class hiking. Varied ecosystems. Fantastic fishing. Bretty gud hunting. Beautiful rivers. Wonderful summer weather.
>>2791089>I don't think soof course you dont. because you are afraid of being wrong. Nothing you have said has shown that MN has easier access to nature than MT. The fact that there is 3x more public land in MT means that is, in fact, easier to access with fewer people. Which, per your metric, means MT should be higher than MN>This map is instead correlated to the availability of peaceful time outdoors.you havent thought this thru lol
>>2790836You tried to make a troll map and kept the east coast accurate, why?
>>2790836>California: 2>Oregon: 1>Washington: 3PLEASE kill yourself immediately. Rope is on sale at Home Depot.
>>2791223You are an idiot, read the criteria, This is what the map looks like if you don't bias it towards mountains. There is literally no reason why mountainous terrain automatically means good /out/.>>2791265>>2791266Sorry but neither the dry western mountainous states nor the crowded polluted eastern states are good for /out/. Based on my criteria, best place for outdoors is the heartland west of the Mississippi and east of the Rockies, and the map reflects that trend. It's not a "troll" just because you're seeing a non-npc opinion for the first time in your life. You'll also notice that Idaho, Nevada, and Utah are ranked much higher than their neighbors, so it's not strictly favoring one region over another - each state is ranked on its own merits.>>2791264This is like trying to explain what the color red is to a blind person, there is a bigger QUANTITY of land in MT but that land is QUALITATIVELY different. >>2791162If you read the map Missouri is the only state to receive a 10.
>>2791221I'm aware of national forests and i've spent plenty of time in them, this is precisely why they didn't weigh positively or negatively on my rankings at all. Same goes for BLM land. All highly overrated.
>>2791265You already know why.
>>2791308Nj is good for out by your criteria.you’rr just an ignorant fool that refuses to respond to constructive criticism and change the scores.
>AZ at 3What a load of bullshit, I live in AZ and its incredibly diverse in terrain and wildlife.It has more public land than TX for hunting/hiking, the fishing is pretty good in the white mountains, AZ should be like an 8/9 and if you disagree you're probably too stubborn to admit it.
>>2790919fuck off we're full
>>2791308>QUALITATIVELY different.but you havent demonstrated this. You just claim it as so. Its a logical falacy on your part. You need to show why the more limited, higher populated /out of MN is better than MT (excluing the 10% that has Griz cuz your a pussy)
>>2790836>Montana: 2>Colorado: 1troll image
I'm pretty sure this is the same retard who spent an entire thread seething about the west (in a thread about Colorado IIRC) because "public land in the west is too hard to get to".
>>2790836Looks like you just threw a random number generator at it
>>2790836>-natural beautyMT>>>MN>weatherMT>MN (its almost equal but its not miserably humid in MT like in MN) >ease of access.MT>MN (dont have to drive 3hrs to the lake or NF) >fishing, hunting, birdwatching, canoeing, relaxing, hikingMT has exceptional opportunities for all of these things>cost of going /out/MT has no sales tax>peace and quiet factorMT>MN. Its the 4 largest state with barely a million people in it. exceptional peace and quiet>safety from crime and wildlifeMT>MN - fewer people=less crime>flora and fauna biodiversityMT>MN- certainly greater diversity in fauna by faryour map doesnt check out
>>2790915>beautysay what
>>2790836Bumping the correct thread
>>2790836I lived in Wisconsin for 7 years and I never realized how awesome for even extremely casual /out/ it was before>Ice Age Trail>Driftless Area>Devil's Lake>Door County>Wisconsin Dells>Lake Winnebago>Lake Michigan AND Lake Superior>Chequamegon-Nicolet National Forest and other northern woods>only passage into the Upper PeninsulaNow I live in Iowa and it's drastically worse but at least I'm not far from Wisconsin
>>2791738chequamegon mentioned
It's amazing how triggered coasties get by positive evaluations of the mid american states
>Texas>9>go out in texas>hear a faint "hey ur on my land" in the distance>watch bullets go through your body and fall to the ground and dieReal nice chart OPFucking bellend
>>2791779Doesn't matter. You aren't a Texan.
>>2791780I'm not American for that matter.My country is a high score of all those states
>>2790915>sheer varietyIt's this shrimple.I think the only things that do not exist in Texas are mountains (real mountains, not foothills), tundras, and rainforests. But there are no tundras and rainforests in most of the world, and definitely not in the states at all.
>>2791779most people in texas wil ask you to leave first before shooting.Im pretty sure it's the law to provide a proper warning and they also have to be doing something that would prompt you to shoot.Simply crossing your lawn isnt viable for castle doctrine. Now if they cross your lawn and idkkill or attack your chickens while doing so then you can shoot
>>2791840Texas makes up for it's intense amounts of private land with excellent free land to hike and camp in.Anyone who tells you otherwise hasnt really explored the state much.Texas has 10 land biomes and 6 different types of water ecosystems.We have hills and mountains as well.
>>2791838>rainforestsdo you even know what rainforest means?Or are you so autistic that when you think of rainforest you think of the brazilian rainforest?
>>2791838>no tundras and rainforests in most of the world, and definitely not in the states at all.Both of those exist in AK. But there are also rainforests in the lower 48 as well as high alpine tundra.
>>2791838there are some small remnants of sabal palm forest in far south texas that are borderline tropical, with wild ocelotsnot enough rain to be a rainforest thoughhttps://tpwd.texas.gov/landwater/land/programs/landscape-ecology/ems/emst/woody-wetlands-and-riparian/tamaulipan-palm-grove-riparian-forestadditionally the mountains in west texas are not foothills unless you are one of those retarded gatekeepers who considers the entire appalachian range to be "hills". the high peaks in texas are higher elevation than the appalachians but with a similar prominence. emory peak in big bend has a similar elevation and prominence to mount saint helens.
>>2790836I live in Kansas. This is wrong. Don't come here. We are a zero.
>>2790836>makes a whole list of characteristics>forgets about watergood job, good effort
>>2790836Why is this map so gay?
>>2792129Turn your brightness, you're seeing your reflection in the glare
>>2792154
>>2792154>derpthanks for the projection
vgh, bring me to Oklahoma
>>2790836anybody whos been to the dakotas and saw this god awful map should be seething
>>2790836under the cateogires listed i the OP NJ is undeserving of a 1. natural beauty? checkweather? fine checkease of access? more accesible than most traditional /out/ statesactivies other than mountaineering?check fishing,hiking,canoeing,birdwatching etccost? low checkpeace and quiet? debatable in the north east of the state but everywhere else checksafety? only one bear mauling death so checkflora and fauna biodiversity?checl
whats wrong with the northeast?
>>2790836Armpit belt tier delusional. The only semi-decent or good tier states in the armpit belt are AR,E OK, SW MO, and MI.
Ive never been to the USA, but its been fucking great watching you yanks fight over this.Can you really judge a states /out/ without having spent years there with an excessively high amount of /out/ trips? of course everyone is going to be biased of their own state (which is why you are all arguing)
>>2792929of course not
>>2792929nuh uh
>>2790836>Missouri>10AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAthanks op. It’s been a long day. I needed that.
>>2790836Nice try
>>2790836I'm from rural Kansas and it's more of a solid 4.
>>2793321dont sell yourself short plainsanon
>>2793321It's a very generous 1
>>2790836What do you guys think of my Canada map? I've only ranked the provinces I personally visited; suggestions welcomed.
why is the pacific northwest so lowgenuine question I've never been but from pictures it seems beautiful and I've heard they maintain their nature well
>>2794413it is by far the best out area of the country but this board doesn't like it because of some liberal retards in the cities
>>2794316>>2794375Ok. 1-5 depending on where you are. A lot of places that are nice to go to such as the flint hills seem to always smell like cow shit.
>Louisiana 9nice baitt. louisiana fag
>Alaska>3>Iowa>8Somebody is mad he lives in the armpit of America
>>2790836NYS being a 3 doesnt make any sense
>>2790836This is a troll map. Kind of annoying that a slow board has only a few threads and one of them is just a giant troll...
>>2790836Mods need to start banning the people who posts these. As the outdoors within the US are not governed by state boundaries but rather by geographical features, these maps are absolutely politically motivated. Oregon, for instance, has a c on monkey let different climate on the eastern and western half of the state. California incorporates like a dozen microclimates because of its sides latitudinally and its changes in elevation. Texas as well can’t be judged as a singular place in this regard.
>>2791838Bait or retard? I’m guessing retard.
>>2794753Nah, there's nothing wrong with using States as a convenient grouping but this is a bait trolls post, that's the problem.
>>2794757I just explained why states don’t make a convenient grouping, specifically because their political boundaries don’t coincide with the available outdoor recreation activities (which are dictated by geographical features).
>>2794787They're arbitrary groupings from an environmental perspective but perfectly fine for the purposes of a fun meme. Obviously the only really accurate map would have to provide an independent rating for each and every national park, state park, etc.
>>2794804Or alternatively you could use an ecozone map, that might be interesting as well.
>>2794806Forgot the attachment.
>>2794731Peninsula fag or south central?
>>2790888It's almost as if you scored it backwards
>>2790836More like a map for people that hate mountains and nice views
How is Jersey a 1??? Genuine question. Did any person that scored this map ever even visit or live there? I live here and no lie it's a bit of a shit hole at times but that doesn't mean there aren't cool, beautiful, or fun spots. A 1 is a slap in the face.
>>2795709A 1 is a bit extreme, New Jersey has pine barrens and coastline surely that counts for something.
>>2795710Generous 2
>>2794754It was bait, yeah.
>>2790836This is so, so retarded and made by someone who has never been outside
>>2794807for me, it is 60,61,62,66,67,68,69,70,71,36,37,38,39, the best eco regions
>>279480784 severely underrated
>>2795710>>2797413and vast mount ranges in the northwest and central part of the state. youre never more than 5 minutes from wilderness or mountains even in the "city"
>>2799073The only two wilderness areas in NJ are in the great swamp and the Forsythe wildlife refuges, the latter being a coastal marsh and not walkable. Not exactly 5 minutes from anywhere in the statem 1000ft hills are also hardly mountains.
>>2799071lol. of course it is.
>>2799073>vast mount rangeslol.
>>2799106this is blatantly untrue and something only an idiot would say
>>2799116compared to other similar landmasses/peninsulas on this continent(long island,flordia, and the delmarva)
>>2799134>copes with backpedalingI dont think you know what the word "vast" means
>>2799106wharton state forest, bass river, watchung mountains, alpine, the entirety of land bordering pa from blairstown up into high point state park,the mountain ranges and lakes north of hopatcong and rockaway, etc etc
>>2799135i dont think you're a student of geography or history.
>>2799137>more falsehoodsI dont think you are very smart
>>2799144keep coping, you're clearly lying . this isnt a dick measuring contest
>>2799132>>2799136Those two spots i mentioned are the only federally (or state) designated wilderness. Just because it's a park or forest doesn't make it wilderness. None of those other places mentioned are wilderness.
>>2799152meaningless statment from an autistic. make sure to focus on artificial definitions made by bureaucrats instead of what is actually real.all of those places mentioned are wilderness, this line of argument shows how unserIous and petty you are.
>>2799146You would have to have a dick for it to be a contest.
>>2799157childish statement
>>2799154The wilderness act of 1964 was written by Howard zahniser, an environmental activist, not a politician or bureaucrat. Only those two places i mentioned are designated wilderness under the act becausee only those two places are free from human development. Those other state forests and parks all have roads and inholdings and development. Not wildernessIf you don't like that definition, how about the one by Aldo Leopold, a true outdorsman and father of wilderness preservation>By “wilderness” I mean a continuous stretch of country preserved in its natural state, open to lawful hunting and fishing, big enough to absorb a two weeks' pack trip, and kept devoid of roads, artificial trails, cottages, or other works of man.No area in new jersey can absorb a 2 week trip. I bet you can't even go 2 days n NJ without having to cross a road.
>>2799160you can look at a map and see that isnt the case for those places you mentioned and that the places i mentioned far better fit the actual criteria>No area in new jersey can absorb a 2 week tripthats due to the size of nj itself not the Size of the wilderness. your desire to win an argument has made you lose your bearing on reality and logic. there is no ego here and no consequences for learning/changing your mind.
>>2799161Ok let's look at those places on a map.Oh no! Look at all those roads!Even on the AT you can't go more than 2 or 3 miles before you hit another road
>>2790915WV rated low for “coal mining scars”I refuse to believe this isn’t bait.
>>2799163look at the places you mentioned first which is the point of contention for you entIre line of thinking.
>>2799163How about in Wharton state forest?Ah! Nothing but roads! Ever half mile even. How can it be wilderness if you can hear engines and smell oil?
>>2799166those are trails
>>2799166answer the challenge>>2799165king of being disengenious. also use a satelite map you caveman
>>2799166if you had ever been there you would know those are a mix of access trials for the fighting wildfires and old indian trials from when the pinelands was once populated
>>2799165Ok we'll have a look at forsythBy golly! No roads! Just a lot of preserved salt marsh and islands
>>2799167Trails only open to non motorized traffic on this map app are in orange, those double white dashes represent dirt or 4x4 roads
>>2799171there are no roads ,because that land is unsuitable for road construction. also incredibly small . there are larger sectIon of land in wharton and bass river that include "no roads" it just matters where you draw the line. thank you for giving me insight into the mind of someone who has already made up their mind.
>>2799172if you lived here you would know that the only difference is the width and that they are of the same material.
>>2799173That's the point. That area is wilderness because there were never human developments there. It retains the original primitive character. All those other places with criss crossing roads and long effects of human development have lost their wilderness character. That doesn't mean they aren't fun places to be in, or cant regain some character through proper management. But they aren't wilderness.And the wilderness parts of the bass river are part of the forsythe refuge
>>2799174They are permanent installations that denigrate wilderness character. Wilderness has no trails or just enough to minimize impact of use.
>>2799176there was never human development there because its useless land. the "roads" in wharton which are compleltey the same as the trails were made to keep the damn thing from burning down. if you werent autistic you would how histrionic and arbitrary this distinctIon is. please tell me how this effects the /out/ abiliTy of nj in any way?
>>2799177wIthout those trails the forest would cease to exist and yes they are extremely minimal.
>>2799161New Hampshire is only a little bigger than NJ and the white mountains could absorb 2 weeks easily
>>2799181why would anyone go to new hampshire? the beauty of nj is you have access to almost every biome whilst also being in arms reach of the only place in the country that matters.
>>2799181I think you should reread the criteria for the scoring on the map. accessibility is a plus not a negative
>>2799179>>2799180>we have to have roads because the forest wouldn't exist without themSo it's not even a natural forest? Basically a garden? How is that wilderness?I never said anything about the /out/ ability in NJ. I love coastal pine forests and swamps. I think it's important to use the word wilderness sparingly and only for things that qualify because it is such a precious and limited commodity. By the definition you seem to find acceptable, half the country is wilderness, and there is no way to separate places with unspoiled and intact ecosystems from fallow exploited land.
>>2799186>So it's not even a natural forest? Basically a garden? How is that wilderness?its about conservation which nj has preserved despite beIng the densest state which is its beauty
>>2799185Idc about the map, that was only to reply to the point about NJ limited by it's size, it's not, it's limited by it's development
>>2799187I appreciate conservation and managed forests. They just aren't wilderness is all. A manicured garden is not wilderness. An area left to its own devices is.
>>2790836>missouri 10>tn 4kek whoever made this blatantly has never been to East TN with one of the most beautiful mountain ranges in the entire world.
