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Nikonos and why didn't weh ave a thread for ages edition
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>>4282347

Nikonos manufacturing ended like 1996, all diving housings since then
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I tried lightroom today

It's an awful program in every other way but it really highlights how bad capture one's noise reduction is. I have no idea why capture one is SO FUCKING BAD at color noise reduction. Maxing out the slider doesn't even get rid of all of it, and it mysteriously comes back on export sometimes. It's a good thing I don't really keep high ISO photos as anything but cute dog snapshits and basically just do snapshits and portraits of my friends, but if I were feeling greedy for cash and shooting a wedding with an indoor/nighttime dance or ceremony that didn't allow flash, c1 would be unusable without a companion denoising program.

Which do you prefer, faded sandpaper, or smear with color blotches?

Interesting note: Adobe requires you to install spyware and C1 does not.
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>>4282375
Trying to ape the lr noise look, but the green blotches just wont die

The moire slider doesn't get rid of them either btw

If shooting ISOs <3200 and preferably <1600 which I do for 99% of the photos I keep c1 is much better, but just yikes.
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>>4282378
Your dog is just green man. Hate for you to find out this way.
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>>4282378
>>4282375
Capture one is designed solely for phase one backs that dont have as much noise as fool frame consoomer toys

Use LR and presets or shoot jpeg like everyone else instead of leaning on crapture one’s default color grading
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In time, submarine seamounts or islands are formed.

A new contraption to capture a dandelion in one piece has been put together by the crew.

The preparation for a dive is always a tense time.
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Why did we not have a gear thread for a while?
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>>4282495
Gear discussion is not properly contained in a gear thread anyway
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>>4282462
BoC

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Whats the best weather sealing on a non micro four thirds camera?
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>>4282506

he knows!

I have that album on vinyl

also rip Leslie Nielsen
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>>4282512
>on vinyl
fucking faggot, enjoy your heavy metal brain damage and cancer
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>boc
>heavy metal
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>>4282514
the records you idiot, do some research what it is in them that youre scraping with a needle to release into your air.
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>>4282515
Secret Treaties is great and all but BoC aren't heavy metal at all
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>>4282513

Dude I drive an 18 wheeler something else is going to kill me long before that becomes an issue.

Seriously though it's mostly just for collection purposes but I've played it a few times, calm down contrarian faggot
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>>4282517
that's the hope
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>>4282517
funny that at this point vinyl is so commercialized and pushed that *not* wanting vinyl is contrarian and hipster
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Is APSC the way to go? M43 seems useless in an age where your smartphone sensor is better than it, but full frame is too expensive and bulky.
APSC seems to strike the best balance between portability and IQ
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>>4282546
Just go full frame pussy its the same price if you’re not retarded
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>>4282550
Last time I went full frame I got a Pentax DSLR full frame and never took that 1.5kg hunk of shit with me anywhere
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>>4282551
Because you got a pentax instead of a sony a7c when you are also gay (i can tell by your use of homosexual units of measurement) so the pentax was too manly for you
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>>4282555
>a7c
Not weatherproof
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>>4282556
Yes, it is. The sony a7c is weather sealed like every canon, nikon, and olympus

Sony fixed their mistakes and became the AP’s camera supplier, and olympus went out of business. Who you gonna believe?
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>>4282563
Well I am kind of wary about the whole Olympus OM switch, but I remember hearing Sony lied about their weather sealing and it's not even good.
I want to take photos during heavy rains.
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>>4282375
iso 25k

ahahahahah

it's your dog, like just turn on a light, retard
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>>4282563
>weather sealed like every canon
what the nigger am I reading?
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>>4282375
what the fuck are you shooting at 25600 for

are you doing photography in a fuckin cave?
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>>4282546
M43 is dead for sure yes.
APSC is best for if you have limited budget or need the reach of a 1.5x crop, if not go full frame. The size difference between full frame and APSC is beyond overstated. They are extremely similar in size unless you are using like a 150-500mm ff lens vs a 70-300 on a crop body to get the same effective focal length.
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>>4282530
what, just like film?

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>>4282556
>>4282563
>>4282564
Unless the product has an IP rating, I would take any claims of weather sealing with a grain of salt. Also, no warranty if no IP rating.
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>>4282617
>livsfarlig ledning
bro speak a real language I beg you
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>>4282619
>tfw the most weatherproof cameras like the tg6 have no manual controls
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Is this true?
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>>4282625
>cANON with his trip off posting screenshots of his own comments with his trip cropped out
Cringe
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>>4282627
This was indeed a cANON post from the archive but I cropped out the name because I thought that would lead to shitposting
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>>4282564
And people have been using the a7c, a7iv, a7riv etc in heavy rains without issue. The only people having problems are using lenses without full weather sealing (sigma/tamron do a thing where they only have the back gasket, and sony’s cheapest lenses dont have it)
But hey, canon doesnt weather seal a single non L RF lens and nikon is too big for you.
Olympus died, sony improved.

>>4282619
Olympus has never warrantied an om-d against water damage. Their ip ratings are bullshit anyways. It means something like “acceptable ingress only against light water spray from 60 degrees”.
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>>4282639
Confirmed. It works fucking fine but you need to pay attention to the lenses you use. Sony improved their weather sealing with the a7c and a7riv.

A7c working fine in rain with a sony lens (24mm f2.8 G compact)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2Fefjrpawg
a7rv gets rained on really badly with a weather sealed sigma lens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm9cZe3j1BI
Rain droplets block the eye sensors a few times but at the end of the day the camera keeps going, and sigma lenses are not known for build quality.

This guy is using an a7iv with a lens that is not weather sealed, and it broke after a splash (pseudo-immersion beyond what any IP rating tests for)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3Jry3rQDjc
The fe 85mm f1.8, like the fe 50 and 35mm f1.8, does not have a gasket at the mount. Sony marketing material does not differentiate between fully sealed and non-sealed lenses, you have to research it yourself. The camera is weather sealed, but if the lens is not fully sealed, water will enter the camera anyways. Just ask the guy who almost bricked his nikon Z body with a plastic mount 40mm f2 in light rain. Nikon also calls that lens dust and drip resistant. Lolllll. All manufacturers make both kinds of lenses. Now, you might understand why /p/ laughs about canon omitting weather seals from non-L glass so often. Or, you will, if you look at the canon lens catalog and what is not L (anything compact or reasonable) and what is L (huge zooms and superfast primes)

All of the "sony die in rain" posting is one cannot shill who has brutal buyers remorse after splurging on an r3.

>SONY HAD BAD WEATHER SEALING ON LE A7III
According to one petapixel or whatever jerkoff test where they subjected it to simulated hurricane rains, and there are lots of people who said theirs did fine in real life weather. Personally despite having a 5dsr and a z8 I don't let cameras or myself get rained on because its fucking retarded.
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>>4282651
>>4282639
spent a few years working at a place that took in repairs, only thing i learned with regards to weather sealing is sometimes cameras fail, sometimes they don't
ive heard multiple stories of basic gear getting fully submerged and working just fine after, multiple stories of very robust gear getting taken out by very small splash, you can find anecdotes for anything you want really
personally, i shoot a lot in the rain (and dust/dirt/snow) and my gear definitely gets covered, but im smart about it and no issues yet
if anyone's concerned enough about the weather, a good insurance/warranty plan is the best option

for as much talk there is about weather sealing, it simply wouldn't matter at all for almost all of the photos posted here, where are all these storm shooters?
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>>4282639
>Olympus has never warrantied an om-d against water damage.
I know nothing about Olympus but I guarantee you don't have the intel needed to say that with any amount of truth behind it.

>Their ip ratings are bullshit anyways. It means something like “acceptable ingress only against light water spray from 60 degrees”.
Dawg, IP rating is an international standard. If Olympus's IP rating definitions are bullshit, then everyone's are.
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>>4282663
Correct. Read what the IP ratings actually mean. Any number under 6 means dust/water can enter as long as the equipment doesnt fail during the test. If your camera or lenses corrodes and dies or grows fungus next month, not their problem.
IP 53:
5: Ingress of dust is not entirely prevented, but it must not enter in sufficient quantity to interfere with the satisfactory operation of the equipment.
3: Water falling as a spray at any angle up to 60° from the vertical shall have no
The water part of the rating doesnt even say no water in device. It days device still works. Every water rating up til 7 is like this. As long as the camera works during the test, even if there is water inside.
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>>4282664
i its all meaningless unless your camera is totally static anyways. IP ratings dont test button/wheel/zoom/focus use.

also no W in the rating means they didnt actually test it in real weather. considering sony outsells olympus by a wide margin and their new bodies dont fail without gross user error i can confidently say sony’s weather sealing is BETTER.
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>>4282556
You’re not going out in rain and snow with it anyway you larping faggot.
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>>4282628
>not just admitting it
Hopeless
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>>4282668
>it's a larp to go outside to americans
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>>4282568
>>4282582
I'm testing software retards. It's unironically easier than shooting jpeg and playing around with camera settings, even on this shitty laptop (lightroom runs like shit on this shitty laptop compared to capture one btw)

Pay attention to her nose and eyebrows. Weird.
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>>4282816
>Another nikon user with OCD
Does that make 3?
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>>4282818
All Nikon Users Suffer From Autistic Gayness.
>Ambush, Sugar, fe2fucker, nikon-43 shill, nikon-43-fuji shill, nikon-film olympus shill, cinefag, ken rockwell
All of these people are nikon users. All of them are crazy. Coincidence? Buy a panasonic if you're not mentally ill.
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>>4282822
loco

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>>4282375
>It's an awful program
yes, stay with c1
even apple's aperture was better than lightroom back in the day

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>>4282426
you can always create custom camera ICCs for C1. or just choose an ICC for a different model. with nikon z6 C1 is spot on but with my GX8 I had to change the default ICC to the G9 ICC else skin under artificial lighting would look like zombie dead skin

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>>4282509
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>>4282546
APS-C was a clutch because no one could afford full frame sensors back in the day. (or afford to make them). so the camera makers went with APS-C.
APS-C should die. it has no advantage over anything. m43 is more compact and because of the integral crop factor it's sharper and marginally better IQ than APS-C. and fool frame is just better at everything.

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>>4282555
>a7c
uh uh, better there be not too much air humidity around or your little snoy could stop working

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>>4282830
>it's sharper and marginally better IQ than APS-C
COPE. Fool turds is outdone by a canom 90d.
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Gear opinions that are 100% right:
If you do not own at least two off camera capable lights and use them weekly you’re a beginner
If someone owns more than one lens for their digital camera or owns more than one digital camera before getting a film camera i dont consider them a photographer. They’re just pretending.
A photographer that has no intention of shooting with a large format camera, ever, is not really interested in photography as real art and is morally, spiritually, and intellectually inferior to someone who only takes 4x5+ seriously and rarely uses digital and small formats for anything artistic
If you have no intention of ever developing, scanning, and darkroom printing yourself you are only halfway a photographer and i hope the lab fucks up the negatives for your favorite shots
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>>4282895
Bbbbut i need the holy trinity zooms and all the fastest primes before im ready to go outside and take a picture
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>>4282895
I’ll add that if you haven’t realized that backdrops and location make or break photos and still worry about the other gear you’re ngmi

Good lighting will come wherever there is a window or outdoors. Any lens works. Bad background, even in bokeh, bad photo.
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>>4282895
can we see some of your 4x5 photos?
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>>4282905
Yes just give the time to remove the dog hair
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>>4282901
>>4282895

I'll allow these, with a caveat on the film/digital

You can't expect people to get into 4x5 without trying 35mm first, my first camera as a hobbyist was digital and I picked up a Nikon FG 35mm and that shit was a gateway drug to 5x7. I then went to 120 and 4x5 and shoot them fairly regularly, although I pieced a good 4x5 kit together and took a break from all of them but 35mm.

After doing Moab this past year I'm going to take those two formats more seriously, they're overkill for truckersnaps but I could have done wonders with even my RB67 out on San Rafael Reef.

I have multiple lenses and multiple formats I'm not pretending to be a photographer when I have 25k of equipment and glass.
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some retard asked if he should buy an a7rv
i told him sure if he printed big enough, but also to consider buying a nikon zf or z8 because the megapixels turn to mush if you only post on the internet or print smaller and the sony is kind of bad at high ISOs

then i greentexted at some poorfag retard who was complaining about people buying nice things for fun
>think of all those shekels you just wasted, they must have suffered knowing they were going to a depreciating asset. don't you know how bad i feel when you spend money i dont have?
and op deleted his thread

that was a sick burn desu its too bad the thread got deleted.

>>4282826
its is. after getting the hang of lr and timing some edits, lrc takes almost twice as long to achieve very similar results even if it obliterates color noise (and color in general) at high ISOs slightly better. even if i upgraded my laptop to run AI denoise in the usual 5 minutes it would still waste more of my time, and topaz is out because it does weird shit to fine details and i am not using two fucking programs just for ISOs that are pure snapshit territory

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>>4282895
gear opinions that are 100% right:
If you do not have at least two arms and use them weekly you will have a hard time taking photos
If someone owns more than one lens for their camera before getting a third lens they own two lenses
A photographer that has no intention of buying a nikon, ever, has bad taste
If you have no intention of ever shooting jpeg with saturation boosted in camera you are a good photographer and i hope a lab brings you your favorite beer
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The nikon viral marketing campaign is OVER goddamnit, stop shilling off the clock
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>>4282982
>I have multiple lenses and multiple formats I'm not pretending to be a photographer when I have 25k of equipment and glass.

You're not a photographer simply because you have multiple lenses and formats. You're gearfag.
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>>4282999
He is a photographer. Better than vivian maier or hack cartier bresson by several thousand miles.
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>>4283002
>he is a photographer
>no photos posted
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>>4282999
Someone who thinks that spending very little money makes them a better person is also a gearfag, just a strangely pathetic one.
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>>4282999

>I'm poor, the post

You're so poor you don't even have a camera that's why you're a no photo faggot
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>>4282989
>iso 64
Impossibru, that’s micro four thirds iso 16
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>>4282895
>art
lol, that must be the biggest seethe out there. people who would love to be artists but are too bad at art. they get into photography and try to larp as artists. dudes, post-modernism is here. you can literally shit on a carpet and call it art. you don't need to buy expensive camera gear. just get a cheap carpet and go to chinese all you can eat. done.

photography is a documentary tool. every other use is abuse by idiots who should be shitting on carpets instead.

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>>4282996
nope, I just love my nikon. I think I will be naming my next dog Koyata in honor of the great Koyata Iwasaki

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When is Nikon going to release another low-mid tier full frame? The Zf is neat, but I'm not sure that small grip is for me. I've been looking at a Z6ii, but I don't want to buy in only for them to release something with AI assisted AF a month later.
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>>4283080
>peak design anchors
kys
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I got $350 back on my tax return and I want to buy a camera to take landscape pictures. What should I buy?
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>>4283276
Nikon D40 and an AF-S 12-24 f/4 DX. Tripod and ND filters if you can afford it.
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>>4283027
Calling people poor while having nothing to show for even though you spent 25k on gear? Quality cope. Dude, you've regressed hard ever since you started to mess with all kinds of formats. I don't know you well personally, so I can't judge if it's all down to you becoming a gearfag, but I'm willing to bet that it is a major reason behind it. It's a known dead end of all gearfags that I've known.
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>>4283286
>nothing to show
maybe go search the archives, this sugar faggot sure has posted more content than fucking cANON
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What does a larger sensor do for me, exactly?
Lets assume, for the sake of argument that I have two cameras, now hypothetically speaking, lets say one of these cameras, camera X has a crop sensor, and camera Y has a a full frame sensor. Now, let's suppose that both camera's have the same megapixel count and in practice have a negligible difference in dynamic range. For the sake of argument a 1 stop difference.

What does a larger sensor actually DO to improve image quality aside from subjective things like a more narrow depth of field

>hardmode; you can't say ISO performance because ISO on digital cameras is completely made up and the numbers are arbitrary and therefore aren't comparable between brands or even models.
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>>4283353
It's supposed to be better in low light because it gets more light in and muh stops and muh iso
I don't really get it either and I'm trying to find a camera and I'm going insane reading about specs and shit
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>>4283354
>it gets more light in
It actually doesn't. When people tell you about aperture equivalence it ONLY pertains to depth of field, not exposure.

If you imagine the image circle of your lens as a flashlight shining on a post-it note. and the circle of light is bigger than your post-it, it's absorbing 100% of the light that it can, if you swapped for post it for a regular sheet of printer paper, keeping the light at the same distance, it's not any brighter, it's just getting more information.
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Is it worth buying older gear if I'm primarily doing low light?
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>>4283358
It depends on what other gear you're using. If you're going to be using a tripod and longer exposures, DSLRs suffer from both shutter shock and mirror slap, so you need to be extra careful.

If you're going to be cranking ISOs then generally newer sensors are better at that. You should get something with a BSI (back side illuminated sensor) as they are more efficient.

You probably won't see any significant advantage from anything newer than ~2018-2020. It also depends on how sensitive you are to noise and if you like a particular camera's noise character. Buying full frame *can* help if you're looking at two cameras with similar megapixel counts. Full frame and the same MP count means the photosites will be larger and boost your signal-to-noise ratio, it won't make you're image any brighter, but it can help hide the noise, again if that's something that bothers you
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>>4283358
>>4283359
another thing I thought of;
If you're going to be hand holding, then something with IBIS is going to be very helpful in allowing you to lower your ISO by shooting at slower shutter speeds. Generally the newer the camera the better the IBIS gets
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>current gear is an oly tg6 and vxf1 camcorder
>barely use the tg6 because I do low light
>only use the camcorder at events or road trips
Should I sell them or just keep them? I feel like they're memes and not actual kit.
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>>4283280
>He fell for the uwa lens for landscape meme
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>>4283353
less pixel density = less demanding for lens design = potentially better/cheaper lenses, like making a 50mp worthy m43 lens is more difficult than a 50mp worthy ff one
i shoot different sensor formats and use them pretty interchangeably, larger is nice for that extra shallow dof potential, and simpler adapting, but they basically look the same in most situations
lens matters more for the look of an image than sensor does
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>>4282822
Why not both?
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>>4283399
14-24 isn't that extreme on DX (21-36mm) and sometimes you want that perspective if you're doing landscape. Most D40s should come with their kit lens to compliment this range nicely.
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>>4283444
>they basically look the same in most situations
lens matters more for the look of an image than sensor does
This is kind of the conclusion I've come to as well and it's why I asked the question. Looking back at my APS-C files they don't look any worse. I've always been told that a larger sensor has better dynamic range, but looking at test results, even from medium format to crop there is only like 2 or 3 stops at most. The difference between crop and full frame is usually around 1 or 2. So now I'm not sure why people insist that full frame has objectively better image quality. I think it's more likely that full frame cameras are usually much nicer, built to a higher price point and quality, that and the larger sensors usually have more megapixels, so it does look better in practice, but it's starting to seem more and more like the sensor size itself doesn't actually do much for IQ
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I keep convincing myself to buy gear for shooting situations I'm never in. Please help.
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>>4283027
>>4283287
>samefagging
>comparing himself to cANON to feel better
fucking KEK
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>buy z8 cause I want a camera I can grow into or something
>bulky as shit and realize what I really want is something like the x100v
don't repeat my mistakes, be better
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>>4283559
you wouldn't like the x100v either. 2 months after buying it, you would say "fuck, i never cared, all my size complaints happened when i was looking at the camera or holding it at home, not when i was using it, and actually this camera does not fit in my pocket at all it never mattered, i was just being self conscious and insecure" and then you'd sell your x100v and buy a sony a7 something and then you'd sell that and buy an rx100vii and then you'd sell that and buy a DSLR and then you'd sell that and-, etc.

learn to recognize the various forms of GAS, and how to defeat it. don't start this cycle. break it before it happens. every amateur photographer goes through some form of this. don't do it.
take a deep breath
put your camera on like this
go the fuck outside
take photos

ok?
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>>4283353
Hi, I am an expert.
>Now, let's suppose that both camera's have the same megapixel count and in practice have a negligible difference in dynamic range. For the sake of argument a 1 stop difference.
This is never the case among competing products. It just isn't. Ever.
Modern expensive smaller formats can compete with early digital, but nothing from the same 5-10 years actually gets this close without relying on meme cheats like aggresive "denoising" in post-processing. It always takes its toll on final image quality.

>What does a larger sensor actually DO to improve image quality aside from subjective things like a more narrow depth of field

Assuming you don't care about quality, the equivalence factor allows you to shoot FASTER on full frame to wind up with the same noise/quality. Downside is full frame requires heavier glass (lens), while smaller formats are lighter. For quality, full frame (or med format) is way way way way way way way fucking better, no question. Whether it's worth its weight is debatable if you can shoot at low ISOs, but if you're doing anything low light you'll want full frame since 1/30 is way way way way sharper for 99.999999% of things you'd photograph IRL vs 1/15th of a sec, and that's only 1 stop differnece. 1 stop can be make or break for "usable" images.
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>>4283576
>assuming you don't care about quality
Nah what you mean here is assuming you dont care about DOF.
>shoot different image
>get different result
woah
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>sugar you suck because you have shit gear
>sugar you suck because you have too much good gear

pick one faggot
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>>4283605
roses are red
sugar you rule
because you post photos
and i think that's cool
<3
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>>4283605
roses are ripe
sugar youre shite
because you are a fag
and i think thats bad
</3
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>>4283609

I may be a fag but I post photos and have a semi-regular photo thread

<3

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Anyone have an A7RII? Been looking at upgrading to FF from my A6000 and the R line looks to be the closest to what I'm wanting.
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>>4283725
I used to have an a7riii. I sold it mostly because I didn't like the image character. If I were you I would at least get the 3, from my understanding the battery life in the 2's were awful and they had shutter failure issues, iirc
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wtf is a type 1 sensor?
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>>4283938
It's refers to the size of the sensor. I believe it's the same as a 1" sensor, but that name is also misleading it actually isn't 1"x1", like you'd expect, but they are very small sensors typically used in camcorders and point and shoots
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What's the deal with Sony DSLRs? I never hear anyone talk about them
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>>4283998
Kramer: Jerry I'm telling you, you can get amazing shots with this tiny M43 sensor, but you pay a 1/3rd of the price as the DSLR suckers
Jerry: What, get outta here, that can't be true.
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If I want to upgrade from a pretty good (but shit because no RAW and no manual controls at all) point and shoot camera, and something better than my phone, what should I get?

I've borrowed a 2000D/SL2 before, with a 18-55 kit, and found it pretty disappointing.
Mostly because of the shit lens performance requiring software (interpolation) for pretty severe corrections including CA not just distortion, so I'd like glass that would feed the sensor accurate data, not having to rely on post-processing even if it's not so high res. SL2 was fun to shoot with but the 1.6x crop factor seems annoying and I didn't like its noise performance at anything other than 100 ISO on low dynamic range scenes.

I like the EDC carry style form factor (depending on lens) available on some MFT (point and shoot was pocketable) but idk if the noise sucks on those and reading about how some of them rely on baked in lens correction profiles and how adobe doesn't even let you opt-out of using lens correction for MFT (?) that seems like something I'm not interested in at all. I don't use adobe shit but assume if it needs post-processing for lens correction, I do NOT want that.
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>>4284038
OM-5
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>>4284038
Sony a7c+24mm f2.8 or 40mm f2.5
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>>4284002
Delusional

>>4283998
Well, they suck. The IBIS units die and the slt is awful. Canon/nikon is always a better choice.
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>>4284287
>The IBIS units die and the slt is awful
Oh okay, I was just wondering because on paper it all seems really cool
>dslr
>evf
>sensor stabilization
>cheap lenses

>Delusional
Well in the context of the show, Kramer is an idiot, so it actually fits
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>>4284285
>no weather sealing
dies in rain/fog
>absolutely shitty evf
can't be used when the sun is shining

snoy fansois still buy it lol
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Fellas I think the Nikon marketing is working on me, wanting to try fool frame and the Z6II sales are looking real attractive desu
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>>4284377
>>>no weather sealing
>dies in rain/fog
That's false thoughbeit
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I am going absolutely fucking insane trying to find a quality camera to get.
I come across something like the OM-1, but then I go for similar money I could get a full frame camera.
Then I go "do I need a full frame, hell do I even need a new (released in last 5 years) camera", then I go but I want a good hybrid, but is this a good size to take everywhere, I never make a solid decision. How did you finally commit to buying something? I want to start shooting instead of gearfagging but I don't want to make a mistake.
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>>4284407
Buy used gear that has already deprecated, so that you can sell it for the same price. Try out different things until you realize that perfect gear doesn't exist and you find out what compromises you're willing to make. Once you know all that, you'll stop lusting for gear unnecessarily.
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>>4284407
Yes you do need full frame
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>>4284407
buy used, sell used, consider any difference in values as your "rental" fee
go to camera store and play around with different models and see what you like, what inspires you to shoot, what you'd be comfy with as an edc, there's a lot the internet loves that i disliked, and vice-versa, and i never would've known without trying out myself
pretty much every model is capable of world-class images nowadays, some just easier to do so for certain subjects
you should put as much effort into what lenses you want to use, they matter just as much, if not more than the camera does, they really determine the look and type of pics you can take, and body really just determines how efficiently that gets done
you don't need full frame, but you should get one to get the want out of your system if nothing else, grass is always greener otherwise
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I feel this has been asked before but what gloves do you chuds use to shoot outside when it hits freezing and below?
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>>4284439
None. I want to feel the rawness of my cold camera against bare skin. It makes me feel alive. /s

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>>4284407
The longer you spin your wheels the longer until you start making good photos. Just fucking buy something, idiot
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>>4284407
The om-1 is essentially a well marketed re-release of the olympus e-m1iii with uglier branding. Its alright, for birds/macro. I unironically liked the 16mp sensors more for their noise characteristics and the em5 and pen lines for actually being small. Dont believe in weather sealing on any brand. They are all essentially the same. The IP ratings olympus paid for legally say “dust and water get in but it will keep working for like 20 minutes”.

The sony a7c is a modern classic and one of the best cameras you can buy period.
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>>4284439
arc'teryx alpha sl, good grip, high dexterity, warm with a liner, complete overkill
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>>4284445
>weather sealing on any brand
Leica quotes IP54 for the SL2 which is quite a bit
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>>4284445
>The sony a7c is a modern classic
sony has really mindbroken snoyboys, haven't they?
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>>4284439
I have a medical condition where I can get frostbite super easily, even in relatively normal temperatures for other people. I use a pair of 'The Heat Company' Polartec Merino Glove Liners combined with a pair of carhartt over gloves to keep everything toasty when it's really cold, but usually the liners are enough since the winters where I am are moderate and rarely get below freezing
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I want to work on a perfect voyeur setup. Immediately I got to m43, for the extra reach compact bodies and lenses, and excellent ibis. But I don't know much about m43, what is the best body for spying on people?
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>>4284407
>How did you finally commit to buying something?
amazon has a 30 day return policy here. I just ordered a bunch of cameras and tried them out.
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>>4284445
>a7c
no weather sealing. will die in rain, fog or direct sunlight
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Alright bros I'm pretty sure I want an S5, but for 1k more I could get an S5 II that has better autofocus
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>>4284517
The a7c has weather sealing. I had an a7riii that got dunked in a lake and drenched twice and it took a whole year to begin to die after total immersion in mud water.

>>4284407
>Do I need
You don't need anything, but you would probably enjoy full frame more

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>>4284566
Are you getting hired/paid to do photography?
>if yes
Then spend the money
>if no
Autofocus is gay as fuck. It's for people who don't actually enjoy photography. Why would you want skip a crucial part of the process? I would go so far as to say that FOCUSING IS PHOTOGRAPHY and to want to have a computer do it for you is basically an admission that you don't enjoy photography, you want to be internet famous and you think that this is your best route to getting there. If you're willing to outsource the focusing, what else are you comfortable letting the camera do, and at what point are you just pressing the shutter button when the camera tells you to?

That being said, phase detect autofocus isn't even strictly superior. Contrast is better for slow moving or still subjects and is more accurate and not subject to calibration issues, and has no impact on the image quality. Which is why Panasonic fought for so long to keep it. Phase detect is better in low light, in video and better for fast moving subjects, that's it. If you're most hobbyist photographers, contrast autofocus is better for you. But gearfags are retarded and only look at edge case scenarios designed to create and demonstrate minute differences in autofocus speed which doesn't necessarily translate into the best autofocus performance for real world shooting.

Buy the s5, it's an amazing deal because retards have been dumping them en masse out of fomo, when it's actually the better camera for most of them.
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>>4284645
What do you mean autofocus is anti-photography?
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OK I think I've solved GAS
>buy a "main" camera for all your proper shooting and daily driver
>however check out cheap cameras and op shops etc for weird/old cameras for the novelty
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>>4284648
What is the purpose of autofocus? Why would you want to use autofocus?

Photography is mindfulness and awareness. Autofocus reduces the amount of time you need to spend taking a photo. Why would you want to do that? To move onto the next photo opportunity? How small do you want that window get? If you spend all your time reducing the amount of time you spend taking photos, then what exactly are you out there doing? If you could reduce the amount of time you spend taking each photo to zero, would you do that?

Imagine a super camera so powerful, that it could record 360 degree video at infinite resolution at an infinite framerate and you could just press record, go on a hike, then come back, comb through the video select the time, the focal length and cut that out. Is that photography? Are you a photographer anymore? I would argue no.
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>>4284650
cont.

better yet, attach the super camera to a drone, send the drone out and then send the video file to you when it's done. After that, just write an AI to automatically scrub the timeline for the best shots and then post them for you.
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I've been watching some reviews of the Nikon Zf and I'm 90% sure this is my next camera, but I just spent all my money, what's the quickest way to make $2k?
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>>4284656
Sex
Selling shit
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>>4284657
I'll suck your dick for $2k. the only shit I have to sell is other cameras and lenses
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>>4284658
What are your other cameras and lenses? Why you getting a ZF then?
If you're getting a ZF then you won't need the others
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>>4284651
>>4284650
>>4284645
You are a retarded autist and probably jobless
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>>4284747
How is he wrong?
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>>4284749
Basically, he made it all up. None of it is correct because photography is not a video game. It is not meant to consume time. It is meant to immortalize history and art. The technical aspects like camera operation are not just irrelevant. They are a distraction from the purpose of the camera and only nonartists who never travel worry about dials and spinning rings.
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a photographer who hates auto-anything is like a racecar driver who hates traction control and ABS. only photography isnt a sport, never has been a sport, and never will be a sport, and if you were a car guy you would be too pussy to race anyways. so you’re the boomer who drives 5 under the speed limit in his painstakingly maintained and hand waxed corvette while looking down at anyone who has their brake lights on when stopped on flat ground. just a gearfag with a penchant for old things rather than new things
[laughs in $5 autofocus SLR as the gearfags inevitably spout poorfag polfag retardation ala “consoom le product kikes goyslop” as gearfags are apt to do]
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>>4284751
Well fuck, should I disregard him and just get the S5 II?
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>>4284759
How much do you care about video? And i mean real video, as an art, with lots of post production, not phonefag esque camcording.

If not at all, its just a more expensive and slightly worse nikon z6ii with a worse lens lineup unless you like giving leica money for portugese lenses.
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>>4284762
Yeah I won't be doing anything actually serious with video, just clips and little things
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>>4284763
Z6ii is fine
A7IV is more expensive and has GOD tier autofocus, if you use video autofocus especially, and you can save your money on lenses because FE has had more good shit for longer

Inb4 lying shills and “buy a 20mp cannot with a noisy sensor”
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>>4284645
>>4284650
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>>4284797
samefag

>>4284764
yeah this

the a7c is also good enough (basically a compact a7iii with weather sealing and a shutter that has a 0% chance of seppuku)
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What is the cheapest camera I can get for landscape photography. I travel to remote wilderness a lot for work.

Right now I just use my old android phone, so anything would be an upgrade.
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>>4284945
A 2nd hand enthusiast dslr with kit lens. Pick one which fits in your budget but try to avoid entriest of entry models Any major brand is ok. If you get into it, you can get a better 2nd hand lens of whatever focal length you prefer to use in kit zoom or just sell the kit and get whatever is the shiniest by then.
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>>4284945
Olympus e-m5ii

It has pixel shfit
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-e-m5-ii/olympus-e-m5-iiTECH2.HTM
and a non-scammy seller will inevitably let one go for under $300.
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>>4284945
I agree with this >>4284960

Basically any interchangeable lens camera will be good enough for landscapes, landscape photography has one of the lowest bars of entry. You can literally buy anything made since like 2005 and it'll be fine.
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>>4284945
pretty much anything with a good wide-angle lens. but if your spooked about the elements getting to it pentaxes are weather sealed and can work in -10 Celsius
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>>4285099
>pentax unique weather sealing
it is literally identical to canon, nikon, olympus, and newer sony.
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>>4284945
Cheapest completely depends on what you consider acceptable and possibly describes your phone. Full frame cameras are preferable but none are THAT cheap, and the ones that are are large. What is the highest you're willing to pay?
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>>4282378
>>4282375
OOOOOH IM SHARPOONING

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can anon's pray tonight for nikon releasing a Z 35mm f2.8 or f2 or f2.5 that's not as huge as the f1.8S?

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>>4285131
Hell no. The 1.8 S lenses are the perfect size.

What if they did something useful instead, and re-released them with better matched filter threads?
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>>4284645
based
fuck autofoocusers
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>>4285227
samefag gearfag mad for over 24 hours now

must be the one that couldn't point out how the d850 and z7ii differed in image quality

>moving subjects, low light, and video are edge cases
kekkerino, building corner people
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>>4285241
i dont know what youre talking about
focussing is fun
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>>4284649
>>buy a "main" camera for all your proper shooting and daily driver
yes
>>however check out cheap cameras and op shops etc for weird/old cameras for the novelty
nooooo all your GAS will just go here
here's my GAS solution: think about what RESULTS you want FIRST, and buy gear SECOND, AS A LAST RESORT.
- looking at other people's photos and wanting to get that result, doing research into what made that photo work and POSSIBLY making a purchase as a result = GOOD
- thinking about some real, concrete limitation while photographing and intelligently buying a piece of gear that addresses that limitation = GOOD, but be careful of mistaking a limitation of technique with a limitation with gear
- browsing ebay/keh/whatever in your free time and thinking "if i just get this camera and these lenses i'll be good" = VERY BAD
- browse/ebay/keh/whatever because you're bored and like thinking about putting together photography kits = LESS BAD BUT STILL BAD
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>>4285287
>- browsing ebay/keh/whatever in your free time and thinking "if i just get this camera and these lenses i'll be good"
lmao I do this all the time. I narrowly talked myself out of buying a fuji xt1 last night
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What is the real differences between the S1 and the S5? It's hard to find a good list. As far as I can tell

S1
>Has a larger body
>slightly better continuous burst
>better evf
>3-axis tilt

S5
>slightly better autofocus
>paid video firmware for v-log included
>4:2:0 10-bit 4k 60p whereas the s1 can only do 8-bit

Is that it? I prefer the larger body, so I'm probably going to get the s1, but I wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything. They are the same price used
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>>4285105
>>4284993
>>4284960
Thanks for the tips, but Im overwhelmed by the number of options still. If you guys could give me your top picks for something in the $350US / $400cad range (including lens), that would be much appreciated.

If you need some help narrowing down the candidates, Id prefer something with good low light performance and battery life. Also on the smaller side, as I travel with carry-on only a lot. But it doesnt have to be tiny. Im flexible with this as I realize size is a luxury and Im on a budget
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>>4285328
In that price range you're going to be looking at DSLRs. Which narrows down your (real) choices to either Nikon or Canon. I prefer Canon's sensor noise, and EF-mount is extremely versatile. It's used by a lot of professional video cameras, if you ever want to do that and it is probably the most well supported mount for adapting to mirrorless if that's ever something you want to move into. But that being said Nikon has the advantage of lots of cool manual vintage lenses, which is something you may want to consider.

Specifically I'd recommend any of the Canon EOS 5d's there is the mark i, ii and iii. All can be had for around $200, then for a lens basically any 24-70mm zoom that will fit in your budget, or alternatively if you're willing to give up some of your aperture, you can grab a 24-105mm

Something like the Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG will be okay. It's mediocre optical quality, but it should fit in your budget, and remember your first lens is just for experimentation. Find out what focal lengths you like, what apertures you use then buy something more in line with how you shoot
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>>4282551
pussy
i take mine everywhere
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>>4285331
Alright, so Ive got the mark II and a zoom lens picked out on ebay. However, my local electronics store is selling a canon r100 mirrorless + lens for $100 more.

Should I just bite the bullet and pay a bit more to get a modern camera?
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>tfw ywn have an E-5 with a GH6 sensor
all I want is the perfect cameraaaa
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>>4285311
>wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything.
You are anon, the fact that it’s a stillborn system kek
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>>4285786
How is L mount a stillborn system? It's one of the few viable mounts with ultra close flanges because it's not a baby mount meant for APS-C like Sony E is.
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>>4285446
I don't see why you would. Canon has notoriously not supported their aps-c cameras well, meaning you'd be buying the mirrorless full frame lenses which are going to cost a lot more than the EF lenses. You could adapt EF lenses but the autofocus performance will not be nearly as good and that's an additional cost on top of the more you're already paying.

The r100 has a smaller sensor and the only upside is that it has a better burst rate. I think you'll be much better off with the 5dmkii in terms of image quality. Unless you *REALLY* hate optical view finders the 5dmkii is a better camera in general.

Also check out KEH.com and MPB.com. They are used camera gear retailers and are often the same price or cheaper than ebay, but you also get a decent return policy, which is always nice peace of mind. I've never had trouble with scammers on ebay, but if you get the 5dmkii and hate it, you could always return it and try something else, you don't have that luxury on ebay. MPB usually also displays the shutter count which is really nice to know before buying.
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>>4285786
I'm adapting lenses and my only options are L mount and E mount, and none of sony's cameras are appealing to me in the slightest
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>>4285796
I hate mirrorless but recommending a dinosaur like a 5D2 is just misguided. That camera has a ton of issues. 5D3, now that's sweet.
5D2 was revolutionary when it came out but it's simply not polished. You don't even get proper auto ISO with that one if shooting in manual mode for example. Set ISO to auto, the camera fixes it at 400. That's just one out of many baffling "features" it has. Even 6D is a better choice.
Also the sealing on the 5D2 leaves a LOT to be desired.
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>>4285446
You should get a 5D3 or 6D. 5D2 is a PITA.
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>>4285796
>KEH.com
they're no longer as good as they were some years ago. they got sold to new york jews (an investment company called D Cubed Group) and it looks like their "highly conservative ratings" days are over. I used to deal with a gentleman called Dan Orchard over there. great guy. now their business model is almost entirely based on easy returns.
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>>4285801
I agree that it's not perfect, I've definitely been unhappy with some of the lenses that were supposedly "excellent", I far prefer MPB, I've been very happy with them.

>>4285799
It's his first camera, quirks about auto ISO and in manual mode and weather sealing are pretty nit-picky. But this is also why it's public, I don't know the ins and outs of old canon DSLRs, but I do know it's good enough for his first camera. If he can get the 5dmkiii or 6d for around the same price, than he should.
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>>4285799
You can summarize by saying the 5dii wasn’t popular for photography, basically. Magic lantern and video were what made it a giant.
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>>4285812
Weather sealing is nipticky I'll give you that, but the auto ISO thing is just one of many counterintuitive problems the camera has. It's a camera that conspicuously gets in the way of what you're doing. It feels like a rushed release.
>>4285813
Yeah even before Magic Lantern, it brought 1080p video to large sensor cameras for "cheap".
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>>4285796
>>4285799
>>4285800
Stepping up into the 5D mkii and 6D are out of my budget, but it looks like I can get an M50 or M6. The size is also a lot more manageable

Im reading that the ef-m system is pretty limited, but I could just get an adapter once Ive gotten used to the kit lens and buy full frame EF lenses for cheap?
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>>4285853
mkiii*
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>>4285853
If it were my money, I'd still get the 5dmkii. If size is really important to you then feel free to look into other systems, but if you're going mirrorless, I would look at another brand. Canon has one of the worst reputations when it comes to entry level mirrorless stuff. I hope you figure out something you're happy with
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I have a 15-30 zoom lens that I can barely justify keeping anymore. Considering just trading it out for a 28mm prime instead since I've hated every attempt at focal lengths below 25.
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>>4285868
ok good for you
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What lenses do I buy to make my old D40 worthwhile? I want to take photos of landscapes, plants and such, and the occasional chipmunk photo while hiking. Also how do I carry it so it's always available while exercising potentially with a large lens?
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>>4285331
>Specifically I'd recommend any of the Canon EOS 5d's there is the mark i, ii and iii. All can be had for around $200
where are you finding them that cheap?
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>>4285834
>Yeah even before Magic Lantern, it brought 1080p video to large sensor cameras for "cheap".
i remember when picrel was a huge deal. Funnily enough, it's perfect proof that the camera alone isn't enough, it still looks like a high budget television show, while the youtube shitters can't even come close despite having the same camera and lenses.
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>>4285875
Yeah, it is.

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got an A7Rii body with 10 batteries for $600 and sold my A6000 for $500.... hms28ow did i do anons?
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>>4286051
>10 batteries
wtf, why did someone have 10 batteries?
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>>4286054
No clue lol, from the description it looks like the guy had it set up in a studio most of it's life
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>>4286057
That's bizarre, but definitely a nice trade up for $100. I would say don't invest too much in batteries because they changed with the a7iii and are much better. But it sounds like you're covered. I say enjoy it for a couple years then do the same thing again to get into an a7riv
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>>4286058
That's the plan, but for now I'm super happy with the increase in quality I got from going to FF. IV is definitely the better camera with QOL improvements but just too far out of my budget for a hobby right now
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>>4286060
>IV is definitely the better camera with QOL improvements but just too far out of my budget for a hobby right now
I would take a7rii for $600 over a $3400 mkiv anyday. It's not 6x more camera.
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Can anybody recommend a cheap (between USD 500-1000) weather-proof kit? Mostly for street photography in the rain, so I guess I'm looking for a 35mm or 50mm lens.
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>>4286067
I think this is in your price range.
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>>4286067
anything with a think tank hydrophobia
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>only local listing for a leica iii was delisted
wtf man, i wanted it
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>>4286067

pentax k-5/k-3 + 18-135mm wr
olympus e-m1ii + 12-40 pro
nikon z50 + 35mm f/1.8 s
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I have a first gen A7 and I can't decide which model to upgrade to. An A7 II is fairly cheap and gets me IBIS and AF with adapted lenses which are two things I really want. However an extra £200 gets me an A7r II with better AF and a much higher resolution, and 4k video which maybe will be useful at some point. But then if I'm considering that do I then say fuck it and put in another £200 for an A7 III and get even better AF and a touch screen and better battery life.

The trouble is I don't even have any native lenses and only two that are AF. One is a screw drive macro using Sony's own adapter so the AF won't get any better on that, it's maybe sharp enough to benefit from the R's higher resolution. The other is a 150-500mm that is being gimped by the crappy AF in the adapter, that would be better with the II but I don't know if it's fast enough to gain anything from the newer bodies. The rest of my lenses are MF and probably won't see any benefit except for the IBIS.
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>>4286067
literally no ILCs are actually weather proof. relying on the weather sealing marketing scam is playing dice. the highest IP rating every awarded to an interchangeable lens camera essentially said "dust and water enter under mild conditions but do not cause failure during the duration of the test". the test involes water spray from an angle, not vertical, and does not involve the buttons, dials, and rings being used which can break seals.

what you want is something that can actually be used while submerged - an olympus tough.
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>>4286095
the a6600, a6700, a7riv, a7iv, a7rv, a7cii and a7cr can all use old screw drive minolta lenses with near-native autofocus with the la-ea5.
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>>4286088
>>4286095
Thanks for the replies. I'd like to shoot stuff like this guy does: https://christophejacrot.com/en/portfolio/in-the-mood-for-rain/
I've googled a bit but can't find the gear he uses. Any other suggestions?
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>>4286160
>A camera, a good zoom lens and that’s it. I don’t want to have to swap lenses in a storm... The camera is protected by a bag, and I wear standard gear and a thin glove on my right hand, which is partly protected by the bag.
>The wind is my biggest enemy – I use disposable tissues to wipe the lens. It’s not what the professionals do, but if I took a special cloth, I’d only be able to use it once. You also have to deal with the risk of condensation and sudden temperature changes that cause the lens to fog up.

Most any camera + typical zoom lens can get you images like his, they aren't like technically challenging on the camera side of things. Composition, timing, processing, etc, are what gives him that look. In picrel looks maybe like RF 24-105mm f4?
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>>4286115
I forgot that thing exists, I have the la-ea4, but yeah I'm not spending enough to get a body that new.
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Hello, I'm a small graphic designer with little to no knowledge about shooting, just some theoretical stuff and shit

Would like to get myself a camera to shot pics for:
graphic design: prints, posters, cards
production: making photos of jewelry, clothes, people, for web pages, etc
distant future: cinematic, color grading, youtube blog-faggoting

Should I get some workhorse Canon 5d mk3, or for some time I can stick to fujifilm xt2?

I'm in hesitation of fucking up half of my shutter count while learning and fuji is little cheaper and sounds like more fun as a newbie, is that a problem or I can just take canon and give no fucks?
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>>4286213
Nikon d750
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>>4286213
Panasonic S5/xii
>Good stills camera for regular shooting
>High res mode for product photography
>excellent video specs, basically a budget cinema camera
ez
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Looking for a compact travel camera for JPG shooting. Been looking at fujis, but also the canon m stuff caught my eye because it's all dirt cheap. Don't want to spend more than $550 on a body. Any recs?
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>>4286253
RX100, whatever highest model fits in that budget
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>>4286263
Have an rx100iv, I love that lil nigga. It’s basically my grab and go everywhere can, it just works and nice and easily pocketable, and the iq is as good as m4turds. There really is something about it being so easy to grab and go vs my big ff kit, or even my griii

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>>4286263
I saw those were cheap, aside from the better mount, is there any reason to get them over the M cameras?
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>>4286263
>>4286265
oh wait, I just realized I was thinking of the Canon r100
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I have a Fuji XT5 and a Panasonic G9. I want a macro lens for mainly mushrooms but I also like bugs and plants just fine. I don't know anything about macro, this is my first foray.

The choices that jump out are Pana Leica 45(90) f2.8, Fuji 30(45) f2.8, and Fuji 80(120) f2.8. It's pretty much $300, $500, $700 used, respectively. The Fuji 80 is way larger and heavier than the other two which are comparable.
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>>4286284
Don't bother with the 30mm, you'll be too close and find it annoying. The 90 to 120ish range is ideal for macro. I would say get the 80mm but at over double the price you'll want to be sure it can resolve the extra resolution of the Fuji and that you'll make use of it (cropping can get you more magnification, I haven't looked up those specific lenses but I'll assume they're all 1:1). Speaking of magnification, if they are all 1:1 then the Pany lens being used on a smaller sensor is going to get you more actual magnification, but again the resolution of the Fuji may make up for that. Also don't forget to factor in the cost of a nice ring light, and unless you're going to be handheld all the time you may want stuff like a cable release (probably already have one but worth mentioning), a more macro suitable tripod, rails.
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>>4286284

oly 60mm
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>>4286284
The XF30 has a working distance (lens surface to subject) of 1.2cm at 1:1 magnification. It's fine for still life to get a wider angle perspective than the traditional macro telephoto but few bugs will let you get that close.
The PL45 / XF80 and Olympus 60mm which you did not mention will give you more like 7 to 10cm.
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>be poorfag all my life
>finally get a well paying job
>looking into a camera
>feel really weird about it
>feels like I don't deserve to have nice expensive things
An abstract feel
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>>4286284
On Fuji the Zeiss Touit 50mm 2.8 is also a 1:1 macro and can be found relatively inexpensively. It sits a bit in the middle between the 30 and the 80mm in terms of size and working distance (5cm).
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>>4286330
For me it’s
>finally can afford the nice things I always wanted
>once I have them they bring me no joy and I feel no better than before
Best lens mount for this feel?
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>>4286335
Oh god I'm worried about this too
>buy expensive camera
>finally have it after months of research and looking
>once i have it I realise i don't want that one
How do you avoid?
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>>4286335
Sony or if you're too rich for Sony to be expensive then Leica

>>4286336
You don't, you buy a camera and learn what you like/hate about it, get rid of it and then do it all over again. You shouldn't be spending the maximum you can afford on a camera body until several years in at least. Lots of people blow their entire wad on their first camera and that's how people become deranged, unpaid shills, because they couldn't afford to not be in love with the camera they bought
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>>4286330
buy a shittier camera, use it for a while, get frustrated at its limitations, you'll feel a stronger push to spend on what you want (also more likely to know what you want at that point and not have buyer's remorse)
basically what I did
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>>4286284
60mm olympus, a foldable diffuser and a godox v350o. the 60mm is a steal for how good it is and it's tiny too
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>>4286385
the 30mm is like 130 euros used. it's essentially free. I would buy both the 30mm and the 60mm and you have a superb macro kit.
if I only bought one it would be the 60mm though. the 30mm is great but you need to literally shove it into the subject if you want full magnification. I thought handheld focus bracketing would work fine on the om-5 but I'm still too jittery for that so it's back to tripod macro. and as you can see on picrelated that can be problem with that minimum focusing distance of NOTHING

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>have this setup
>GH4 + speed booster + 18-32mm Sigma
>haven't used it in 5 years
>still holding on to it
>"Maybe one day I will get back to it."
>deep down I know it won't happen
What do I do? The prices have gone down to dirt. I will probably be lucky if I give all these for £500. Should I put the kit up for sale? Maybe add the manfrotto type tripod I have and accessories. Do I keep it to maybe get a vintage status in 20 years?
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>>4286396
Yeah, the 30mm is really more a "studio macro" lens but works great for that. The shorter focal length means extension tubes do more, but even without them it's getting to 1.25x (before factoring in the smaller sensor, which gives you 2.5x results). I've thought about the 90mm too, but I like the form factor of the 60mm a lot more.
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Today i tried to put my tla200 flash on my fuji xpro2 but didn't work out (lowest iso, f8) but i fired 2 times...1 min later the pictures i took looked like ultra violet photos.
I couldn't the camera to RAW only but raw+ fine etc...
So after a reset it worked again.
Did the flash voltage mess it up or did i probably mess up something by accident ?
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Will I enjoy shooting more if I buy a bigger camera that encourages me to slow down and not snapshit or a smaller camera I can carry everywhere?
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>>4286607
You probably already have a phone, so why not get a big boy and find out?
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>>4286607
You can carry the "big" camera everywhere no problems unless it's a medium format SLR or something. Negligible difference unless taking photos you shouldn't.
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>>4286610
I am actually thinking about the Pentax 645z after that one guy posted some of his shots, otherwise yes, any other camera wouldn't be much bigger than the one I already have

>>4286609
Good point
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>>4286614
The pentax 645z is not technically capable of anything a modern FF with a sony sensor and a good lens isn't. At the time of its release, most people didn't have what we now consider good FF gear, nor was it as affordable as it is now, but times have changed and both FF and MF systems have moved forward significantly. There are no meaningful, technologically measurable dynamic range or color depth differences between the 645z and modern high resolution FFs.

Furthermore, unless you are preserving the whole 50mp, as the final output size shrinks it becomes impossible to distinguish it from a modern, sony-sensored, non-xtrans APS-C camera with an excellent lens in a double blind test.

Don't get wowed into camera purchases when the most critical pieces of gear involved in a shot were an almanac, a watch, a mode of transport, and a tripod.
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>>4286619
>The pentax 645z is not technically capable of anything a modern FF with a sony sensor and a good lens isn't
yeah I know, but that's not why I'm buying it. I know I could get an a7riii for a little less than half the price, and it' would probably be indistinguishable in terms of sharpness and DR in daylight and it would simply be better in low light, but I don't really care about that stuff. I care about the image character combined with how the camera makes me feel.

>Don't get wowed into camera purchases when the most critical pieces of gear involved in a shot were an almanac, a watch, a mode of transport, and a tripod.
See, but that's exactly what I'm after right now. I want a big fuck off camera that I can't whip out at a moments notice. I like the idea of finding a location, setting up my tripod and waiting for the perfect light and the clouds to move to exactly where I want them. That sounds like exactly what I need right now.

Even though FF sensors are probably just as good, the aesthetic of the action, let the alone the aesthetic of the shot isn't nearly as good with anything else
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With the eclipse coming up across the US, what is a good solar filter for 77mm lens? I have a nikon 70-200 2.8. I see some KEH stuff for $40 and some other brands for $150-$170. Is the expensive stuff worth it (I'm leaning toward probably)? Any advice, suggestions or direction on a solar filter is appreciated. I will be approximately 30mi from the centerline of trailer and will have about 3.5 minutes of totality.
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>>4286624
I'm jelly, I'm not in the path this time. I was last time and it was so cool but at the time I wasn't into photography, so I didn't get any pictures
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>>4286622
The image character is not significantly any different either nor something that's easy to just buy. 99% of what you see in other peoples photography is other people.

>See, but that's exactly what I'm after right now. I want a big fuck off camera that I can't whip out at a moments notice. I like the idea of finding a location...
Why do you need to buy a camera to force you to do this? Maybe, you don't have as much interest in this as you think if you never even did it with your phone, and you just like the idea as a justification to get excited buying a new toy.

You should go do this with what you have for at least a few weeks (buy a tripod if you dont have one) before you entertain the notion of buying specialty gear. Maybe even play around with doing telephoto panoramas with a cheap nodal point shift rail and a $50 chinese panorama head.
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>>4286607
I've tried the big and/or slow a few times (DP3M, GFX, 4x5, etc), but always found myself just going back to small and nimble options. I'm just often a lot more critical when shooting now which slows me down. Lots of mf glass, and cameras with dials too. But go big to get it out of your system.
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>>4286622
>645z is aesthetic, simple as
based
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>>4286629
Yeah it seems to be a common experince from videos I've watched online that people who buy medium format digital often eventually go back to something smaller. I can absolutely see how eventually the weight of carrying everything around especially once you get past the honey moon, but maybe it is just something I need to experience for myself.

>You should go do this with what you have for at least a few weeks
Yeah you're right I should. I don't have the money right now to drop on the 645 and a few lenses anyway, so I guess in the meantime I should try it out with what I have. Maybe that will be enough

>The image character is not significantly any different either
I don't agree with this. In comparing sample shots with high resolution FF cameras (S1R, a7riii, fp-L, etc) and my own experiences with them, it definitely has a look that's different from what other people seem to be getting with these other cameras. In fact I was close to buying the S1R as a nice mid-ground until I looked at sample files.
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>>4286624
most solar filters will turn the sun comically orange. the NiSi solar filters wont. my 95mm was $170, i'm guessing a 77mm would be significantly less

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>>4286662
for comparison a thousand oaks filter
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Coming from a pretty shit camera body (EOS 1100D), should I invest in a better camera (something like a 5D mk2) or is that ultimately not worth it and is just better glass a better idea?
I'm mainly doing landscape and snapshits, but the autofocus fucked me a few times already...

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>>4286660
Thank you. And thanks for the comparisons. The orange might be OK for the totality. Seeing orange around a black moon might be nice. If I don't like it, I should be able to either change to B&W or desaturate the color in LR, correct?
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>>4286679
i would assume it would be easier to change white to orange than orange to white. but yeah i'm guessing you can. with that said if it is orange, it is blocking parts of the spectrum selectively, and might be stronger than 16.6 stops depending on what part of the spectrum, decreasing overall exposure.
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>>4286680
That is a good point, thank you. Looking at the Nisi Solar Pro Nano UV/IR 16.6 stop filter at adorama for $99.
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>all the gears memes have corrupted my mind so much that I didn't even realise
Jesus this place rots your brain
I was genuinely discounting Fuji because "oh /p/ says their sensors have worms and Fuji is for LARPers"
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>>4286690
but thats true. fuji sucks. just buy a used sony/nikon for that money.
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>>4286730
>fuji sucks
How so?
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>>4286622
>I want a big fuck off camera that I can't whip out at a moments notice
ironically, I think the only OIS lenses Pentax has ever made were for 645 mount
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>>4286622
LARP post
>literally talks about "aesthetics of the action", whatever the fuck that means
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>>4286791
>NO! You CAN'T do thing for fun. How DARE you be so pretentious
Ironic, no?
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>>4286807
>doing it for fun
>when he literally cares about how he looks while he's taking photos instead of the photos itself
Yep, it's a poser
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>>4286809
He's clearly talking about the process. Stop projecting, loser. Also you must dress pretty badly
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>>4286810
LOL
Poser post
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>>4286811
You know I'm right lmao. Go read again, slower this time
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>>4286816
You literally said
>the aesthetic of the action, let the alone the aesthetic of the shot isn't nearly as good with anything else
As in you don't care about photography, but that people see you and identify you as a photographer
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Reminder Sonychads will soon get the worlds smallest f2.8 standard zoom
24-50mm f2.8 - $1000
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>>4286818
>f2.8
Meme f stop
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>>4286817
There is no arguing with someone that feminine about attention
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>>4286817
I'm not him, retard
>I want a big fuck off camera that I can't whip out at a moments notice. I like the idea of finding a location, setting up my tripod and waiting for the perfect light and the clouds to move to exactly where I want them. That sounds like exactly what I need right now.
ESL-kun, aesthetic is beauty, not necessarily appearance.
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>>4286818
It really doesn't look that small on a body, it's $1000, and only 24-50mm...
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Interested in trying Fuji, only have experience with Sony. Found an X-S10 locally for $600, worth copping to satisfy my curiosity? Thinking I'll just throw a 23 or 35 lens on it and just using it as a walkaround camera around town, worst case scenario at that price I just sell it and get my money back.
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>>4286838
Wut, that thing is tiny. dont even bother looking at the canon/nikon zooms size.

>>4286839
It's the same size. Just use the sony you have.
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>>4286811
Ask me how I know you shoot Sony

>>4286817
That's not me, retard.
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>>4286847
OK I'll bite, how do you know I shoot sony?
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>>4286850
High intelligence
Lack of magical thinking
No photo posted, or else you'd be a nikon user
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>>4286853
>it's magical thinking to actually take photos instead of caring about what others think of me
Also nice schizopost, but considering I don't shoot Sony it's wrong
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>>4286850
lmao, because you don't understand how the experience of photography itself can be beautiful or ugly. This is typical among Sony users because they generally are result oriented shooters; They care about specs and getting clients, making money and being recognized. It doesn't bother them that the cameras are soulless, because soul isn't a consideration in their buying decision. Your assumption that I was concerned with how I'm reprieved was also a clue because it's a projection. Because that's another reason people buy Sony, because they generally want to be perceived as professional
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>american cannot fathom doing a hobby and only thinks in money
I hate sharing this site with you retards
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>>4286859
I don't think about you at all eurocuck
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>>4286866
>american thinks only two places on earth exist
Like I said, I'm tired of sharing a board with you retards
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>>4286867
Leave any time, feel free to never come back.
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If soul mattered then you'd be shooting Fuji, simple as
>sony is soulless
>pentax is a joke
>canon and nikon are for boomer retards who think HDR is good
>olympus is a bankrupt meme company
>panny is for videofags
Fuji is the only system for actual photographers
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>>4286870
Everything in your post after Sony is irrelevant to soul
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>>4286873
All other systems are sterile and soulless though
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>>4286874
Not any more than Fuji
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>>4286876
Fuji is supreme soul
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>>4286877
Fuji is just an affordable gateway to Leica. Everything but Sony is supreme soul.
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>>4286879
Leica is a meme brand for people that unironically buy "streetwear drops"
Check any panny colours against a Fuji and you'll see
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>>4286858
People like you remind me of, well, losers who are not and will never be artists, and end up making youtube channels shilling gear ala snappiness in the end because they are so caught up in this narcissistic thing where they really, really care about how good they think they look doing something that they are incapable of actually communicating ideas to others, except for their opinions on gear.

In fact, almost everyone I have ever personally known to use the word "soul" so liberally was a narcissist, and the word "soul" just refers to the world as they wish it was (and maybe, think it used to be), as the narcissists opinions are of a spiritual importance to themselves.
And by personally I mean IRC channels because people like that/you usually don't have friends kek

>>4286870
>I just need to buy the camera that makes me feel like a good photographer, and then I will be a good photographer
All you really said, gearfag. Disgusting.
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>>4286880
>Leica is a meme brand for people that unironically buy "streetwear drops"
Not wrong. Could say the same about Fuji though.

>>4286880
>Check any panny colours against a Fuji and you'll see
Also not wrong, it's one of the reasons why I sold my Panny for an Oly.
>bankrupt meme company
I already have what I want, and it'll work for decades because it's built well.
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>>4286858
you are so insecure and delusional your post didn't actually say anything except "i hate sony and think i am very smart and important, but sony people still threaten my ego somehow"

this is very common among consoomers who are beginning to make brand choices not just a part of their identity, but as part of their concept of identity, the tipping point where they cease to be able to interact with normal human beings
>IS THAT A PLAYSTATION
>WE CANT BE FRIENDS
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>>4286883
>it'll work for decades
Except the """"""sealing"""" is literally not tested under use with rain, no buttons are pressed during rain
that and MFT is a meme sensor, it's complete cope
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>>4286887
>Except the """"""sealing"""" is literally not tested under use with rain, no buttons are pressed during rain
I didn't say it'll work in the rain for decades dumbass

>MFT is a meme sensor, it's complete cope
I like the ergos. Also if my shots look like shit on MFT, they'll look like shit on MF.
>muh soul
>NO YOUR SENSOR IS TOO SMALL REEEEE
kek
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>>4286889
>it'll work for decades
>except in the use case its literally advertised for
There's the MFT cope as well
Any actual photography needs a real sensor
MFT is garbage
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>>4286891
Are you retarded? I didn't say it can't take it either. It wasn't even a consideration

>Any actual photography needs a real sensor
Sure man.
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>>4286894
Considering I just btfo MFT and you've refused to post photos, I'm right
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>>4286891
>>4286887
>omg guise! shitty cheap cameras aren't the best cameras ever!

>>4286883
Which oly
Some of them have screen failure so you have to replace a ribbon cable that's secured with 50 screws

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>>4286895
Yeah alright.
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>>4286897
EM1.3. Would have gotten the EM5.3 if not for the shitty tripod mount, especially since I use the PD capture clip. What a blunder by Oly.
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>>4286899
>same size as a z7
their entire product line became a blunder

m43 is ded
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>>4286901
I don't really care what you choose to buy lol, I'm not advertising mft
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>>4286885
>>4286882
lmao snoys absolutely seething
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>>4286904
>non sequitur
here, the last good camera they made.
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>>4286907
Wym non sequitur? I use it cos it's fun and I like the pictures. I don't really care if you'd rather have a Z7 instead.
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>>4286897
Wait so now MFT is a shitty cheap camera? I thought MFT was the most powerful system in the world and actually gathers more light than full frame because of G9II magic?
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>>4286906
>what happens to underageb&s when their mom doesn't buy them a playstation

>>4286908
jussaiyan they couldn't release a good compact camera if it meant staying in business. i think panasonic has better chances of refreshing the gx9 than "om system" has of making an om5 that isn't fragile.

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>>4286912
>i think panasonic has better chances of refreshing the gx9 than "om system" has of making an om5 that isn't fragile.
And yet there's a trend towards "Mega Four Thirds" which I fucking hate. We just need more cheap, small, fun, and good enough cameras. Hence why
>I already have what I want, and it'll work for decades because it's built well.

MFT is pretty crippled by the manufacturers, not so much by physics. Cross-brand compatibility isn't even perfect.
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>>4286921
>G9 - 2017
>G9II - late 2023
>GX9 - 2018
>GX10? - late 2024
Soon.
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>>4286911
I don't think anyone (besides lee hoy) would call MFT superior to fool frame when it comes to IQ and all the shit pixelpeeping troons care about.
But MFT has its merits. If you chose right you get a super portable system with nice tech gimmicks which are really fun. MFT is my fav dick around system.
But if I want quality and really really nice pictures and/or good high iso performance I always chose my Nikon Z because let's face it: Nikon Z has the biggest hole of em all and thus is superior to every other fool frame system.

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>>4286959
>fool frame
>MFTfag literally cannot stop coping
There's no reason not to full frame, considering the bodies are now compact, lightweight and even cheaper than meme sensors
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>>4286959
how many times have have you taken this statue lol. I think I've seen 3 or 4 different angles of it already
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>>4286921
>MFT is pretty crippled by the manufacturers
yup, it's nigger-kike level bad. olympiss shitstems is the worst offender if you look at the artificial crippling of the OM-5 vs the OM-1. "oh the OM-5 can only do 8 frames focus stacking in cam while the OM-1 can do 15 ... it's physics goy ... physics of you paying more for a software toggle lol".
or the ND filter has like 2 stops less on the OM-5 because a #define in the firmware source code.
or stuff like not being able to have AEL and AF-ON on two seperate buttons at the same time because the function is either-or on the OM-5.
I'm sure panasonic does that shit too but currently they don't have any bodies that interest me.

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>>4286960
>compact
tell it to my nikon Z primes lol
>but snoy
yeah maybe in the future ... gonna try out the a7c how I like it. but it will have to beat both m43 for fun and nikon-z for quality and handling

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>>4286966
26mm f2.8 gearfag
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>>4286962
I live in a small town and don't have much of "get out of house" free time (little kid) so I have a bunch of standard locations I go whenever I have 30 minutes free time. that's why I try to get into macro nowadays. yes, it's an autistic soulless genre for troons but at least I can do it in my garden or even on the kitchen table

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>>4286968
>autistic soulless genre for troons
That'd be product and LE FASHION
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>>4286966
>don't talk to me or why wife's son ever again
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Anyone got a backup of DPreviews best and worst of 2018?
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>>4286967
>26mm
sorry, I'm a 35mm guy. I thought about nikon aps-z with that 35mm equivalent aps-c prime but somehow the aps-z bodies look very limited.
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>hybrid
vs
>dedicated video
>dedicated photo
vs
Are gear reviewers too autistic about "bad" features? Particularly Jordan from DPreview/petapixel?
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>>4286978
Dedicated with limited journalistic capability for the other is best.

Fuck video shit for bloating up cameras. The only thing worse in this market than bokeh whores is “cine” cunts.
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>>4286978
>>4286980
The number of people complaining about the fuji x100 vi not being more like a cell phone is really pissing me off

>we use ILCs because we don't want the phone camera experience
>but also make sure to make every camera like a phone
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>>4286978
>Jordan from DPreview/petapixel?
always skip his segment. that half-chink is entertaining. no one cares about gay trucker rapist vibey jordan
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>>4286987
I also skip his sections 95% of the time. I just don't care about video specs.

Also is it just me or is Jaron an annoying fucking cunt?
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>>4286987
Yeah I'm starting to get annoyed by him and I feel like gear reviews are warping my mind
Because he goes "the video out of this isn't that great" and compares it to something else, and the footage looks the same
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>>4286968
Understandable, have fun
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>>4286990
that's because he's a pixelpeeping retard who can sense compression artifacts with his fingertips
if they admitted that cameras are a solved problem and every tech is sufficient and essentially the same those fags would have to get a real job
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At what point does a cameras age become too shit?
I'm contemplating getting a 7 year old camera
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>>4287006
2013 or so is the cut off for me. before that the DR on sensors was worse than film so you had to really watch out or your skies would blow out and the image would look like shot with a webcam.
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Is not liking the colour science of a system a genuine reason to consider something else?
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>>4287006
Get a circa 2006 DSLR. Everyone should have a Rebel XTi or a Nikon D40 lying around. As long as you're aware of their limitations (and maybe have a tripod) they're great cameras.
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>>4287106
It's a pretty common reason for switching, but I think its crazy that people switch based of in-camera jpg processing. I hate the idea of feeling like my aesthetic is tied so strongly to what gear I'm using, since I change gear over time. There are differences when shooting RAW, but I'd always suggest just getting better with processing, which will further help with varied lighting situations and ambient environments. Lenses all have their own color too and can very just as much as bodies do.
I've seen pictures I like, with colors I like, from every brand so it's not like I couldn't get what I want with any brand, some just give me a better starting point. If the time / workflow savings are there, seems reasonable to me. I shoot multi-system, and matching colors across systems would be a good reason to switch down to one system, but I don't mind it.

>>4287006
One of bodies is 7.5 years and still going strong, started most of my paid work with it. That old, I'd absolutely be looking full frame and at least 24mp (unless Nikon Df).
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>>4287006
It depends on the camera in some ways. Picrel from 23 year old 1d. It works fine in plenty of light and not very contrasty scenes. I have a 1dii which turns 20 this year and can also produce nice images. Neither will do well in lower light, never mind night shooting. But in the right conditions, perfectly acceptable images. But these were top of the line pro bodies back then. Would a 10d perform as well? Don’t know, maybe not. I certainly wouldn’t get anything that old for anything more than fun/hobby shooting.

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Is there an adapter to fit EF lens on an FD camera? I'm not trying anything weird here, just want to put a holga on T60
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>>4287222
Nothing commercially available that I’ve ever seen. You could probably 3d print something to make it work but for infinity focus you’d have to figure out how to get it to all fit in 2mm lol
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>>4286818
The Tamron 20-40 f2.8 is smaller and honestly the extra wide is more useful
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Sigma’s Full-Frame Foveon Camera is Still at Least ‘a Few Years Away’: https://petapixel.com/2024/02/22/sigmas-full-frame-foveon-camera-is-still-at-least-a-few-years-away/
I'm curious what advantage they're hoping to attain over bayer sensors now that we have 60MP
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>>4282375
if you want, i have a link for some guys explaining some programs and giving a basic knowledge about retouching photos like a pro, but it's russian and I don't know if the subs will rescue you
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>>4286882
>ala snappiness
the insidious part is that it works and he's built up a sizeable normie following. Couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag, every time he posts sample photos from his latest "THIS CHEAP CAMERA IS UNLIMITED FILM" or whatever the weekly clickbait is, it's the most basic snapshit tier junk, basically something I would post kek.
I really could probably do the youtubre thing if i tried, if that's the case.
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>snappiness
Absolute shit
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>>4287764
well, he's out there making youtube money while we're stuck here jerking off to chinese cartoons, so who's really in the shit?
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Moving from phone photography to 'real' photography. I need a compact one focal length setup

sony a7CR with sigma 50mm f2DG DN
YAY or NAY?
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>>4289054
Americans genuinely cannot think in terms of happiness, enjoyment or intrinsic value



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