Why are all photography learning resources so bad? They all just give you the triangle exposure explanation and then leave you to learn for yourself.But how does one learn what makes for a compelling photo? How to get better at seeing? Taking 10000 photos will teach you nothing if you don't learn how to review and improve.Photo books only get you to try to emulate and copy someone else. It's the same as if you're learning piano and only playing musical pieces composed by the masters. Do you really know piano? Do you really know photography?How does one truly learn and improve?
>>4366224The rest is talent, creativity and practice.Sorry, you weren't born with the right toolset.
>>4366224Lear basics from YouTube and just go out and do your own thing. Courses are useless and will only stifle your creativity.
>>4366225>>4366226So you're saying that Recent photo threads and "feedback" is useless because one's creativity, talent and photographic eye is different to anothers and taking their advice would be going against yourself and your creativity?
>>4366227I never said anything of the sort and you know that, retard.
>>4366228If someone calls me shit it means nothing, because i'm doing my own thing and they are stifling my creativity.
>>4366229You autism level might be too high for creative endeavors.
>>4366231Then why did you say those exact words?
>>4366224>But how does one learn what makes for a compelling photo?By studying the work of great photographers like a textbook. >How to get better at seeing?By applying what you have learned from your study and then practice, practice, practice.>Photo books only get you to try to emulate and copy someone else. That how it works. Every artist is influenced by some other artist. You don't work in a vacuum. If you're not aware of your influences then you end up making shit and derivative work. Point is to mix and merge your influences and see what happens. You need to experiment. If you want to truly improve then study the work of great photographers. Ignore YouTube there is very little worthwhile stuff there. If you don't know any photographers then let me know in which type of photography you're interested in and I'll recommend some photographers.
>>4366234I did not, retard. Trying reading my original post again.
>>4366235>By studying the work of great photographers like a textbook.What if I find their work underwhelming and don't like them. What if the only reason they are considered "good" is because they knew how to network and had a likeable personality?
>>4366237>What if I find their work underwhelming and don't like them.Then that's means photography is not for you. You only like the act of taking photos therefor you shouldn't be worried about improving.
>>4366239Maybe you should consider doing your own thing and not letting copying famous photographers to stifle your creativity.
>>4366224Not the usual poster of this, but: you either have it or you don't.
>>4366235>copy the work of great photographers>all photography is the same
>>4366240>Maybe you should consider doing your own thing and not letting copying famous photographers to stifle your creativity.That's just ignorance is a bliss thing in photography. Art like history doesn't happens in a vacuum. You will always be under the shadow of past great photographers. Unless put in thousands of hours into studying and practicing and thus forging your own unique style. Even then you can't escape influence but your style will be truly yours.
>>4366244>>copy the work of great photographersAll musicians listen to other music and then make their own similar with other artists too. Point is to mix and merge and experiment. >>all photography is the sameNever said that
>>4366247>Never said thati said that. if everyone copies everyone that all photography would be the same
>>4366235Not op but do you know any wildlife/landscape photographers? (and maybe some more general books about photography for a beginner)
Just buy one of (any major camera brand) newest models. The camera will pull focus for you, expose the photo correctly for you and everyone will compliment you on your beautiful photos.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakeNORITSU KOKICamera ModelEZ ControllerCamera SoftwareAdobe Lightroom 9.5.1 (iOS)Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution300 dpiVertical Resolution300 dpiImage Created2024:09:29 14:59:03Color Space InformationsRGBImage Width682Image Height1280Scene Capture TypeStandard
>>4366236Fuck off back to >>>/b/ useless cunt
This thread would be more helpful if people shared actual courses or materials to learn from, instead of just opinions.I enjoyed this book since it gets to the technical side of things:https://www.pearson.com/en-us/subject-catalog/p/photography/P200000009856/9780137988679Lecture from Marc Levoy where he discuss the nerdy side of photography and how most camera works:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7HrM-fk_Rc&list=PL7ddpXYvFXspUN0N-gObF1GXoCA-DA-7i
>>4366224>Photo books only get you to try to emulate and copy someone else.At some point that starts to become inspiration and you begin to do your own thing.
>>4366290Yeah. Look for James Popsys on YouTube
>>4366224no one else was there, make best of it
>>4366290>Wildlife I don't know a lot about this genre but here are my few suggestion:Start with Richard and Cherry Kearton. They are the pioneers of wildlife photography. Their books are also free to download on internet archive. Nick BrandtSamuel JamesSome photographer which are not wildlife photographer but shot animals beautifullyMasahisa Fukase's Ravens(also check his photos of his cat)>/landscapeThis is a really big genre. Give me more specific information. But here are my go to suggestionsTimothy O'SullivanEadweard MuybridgeCarleton WatkinsEugene Atget Edward WestonPeter Henry EmersonRobert DemachyWalker EvansEliot PorterRichard MisrachRobert Adams(checkout New Topographics movement)Emmet GowinMario GiacomelliHiroshi Sugimoto Luigi Ghirri Franco FontanaAndreas GurskyEdward Burtynsky>(and maybe some more general books about photography for a beginner)I would never suggest guides. My advice is to study the work of great photographers like a text book. If you want to learn then dissect their work like surgeon or a mad scientist. You have really know what they are doing in those to achieve that effect with the sensibility of a poet. You have to know those tricks so you can apply them to your work. Pick 4 or 5 photographer and then study and copy and mix and merge and experiment until you get your desired results. Reading interviews of photographers that you like is also helpful but your primary source must be their photography. If you really want a guide on basics of photography then I have seen people recommend The Photographer's Eye by Michael Freeman. (I haven't read it). For gearfagging and other technical gear related stuff you have /p/ and YouTube. IN start gear doesn't matters in the start. A camera is just a tool. You need right tools for the right job. For studio lighting there must be some great books out there but I know nothing about artificial lighting.
>>4366290>>4366380>(and maybe some more general books about photography for a beginner)Also read >History of Photography Photography: The Whole Story by Juliet HackingHow do magnum photographers approach a subject >On Being a Photographer by David Hurn(chapter on Subject is the most important)Photobooks>The Photobook: A History by Martin Parr and Gerry BadgerOn photos>The Photographer's Eye by John SzarkowskiPhilosophy >Towards a philosophy of photography by Vilem FlusserYou can download all of of these books from Anna's archive.
>>4366224>Why are all photography learning resources so bad? They all just give you the triangle exposure explanation and then leave you to learn for yourself.because photography isn't any more complex than that?
>>4366380Hahahah I know you are the bitter anon because of all the landscape photogs you cited you left out Ansel. I like you, you’re fun. Did you enjoy my Adams thread?
>>4366440>Did you enjoy my Adams thread?i clicked on it but didn't read. will join you in your next threads
>>4366224they are not that bad, f8 and be there is very close to truth20k photos later, it all seem to be snapshits and natural light
>>4366224if you have to ask you'll never get itit's like drawing. either you can inherently do it or you can grind for 20 years and it'll still look "off" compared to someone with the genetics who has been drawing for 2 days
>>4366227yes, you should consider feedback only about technical stuff. like exposure, focus, etc.when it comes to the creative part no one can tell you what's wrong or right. you create your own work - and if no one likes it, that's not really an issue.
>>4366536You can most definitely learn to draw or paint tho... the great artists didn't just pump out a masterpiece one after another, they just doodled and brushed a lot. Photography isn't any different, but of course there's those outliers that really shine as with any other human activity.
>>4366299were you being ironic by posting this out of focus mess with blobs for shadows? try putting your camera in iauto or scene mode next time
>>4366753>out of focus>auto mode>scene modeanon I...
>>4366738If you don't shoot on full auto so you can concentrate wholly on composition and art you're doing it wrong. It's like painting a canvas and someone tells you you used the wrong brushes
>>4366742>the great artists didn't just pump out a masterpiece one after another,that's exactly what they did
>>4367034Van gogh only worked for like 8 years painting, and pumped out 900 decent works, and hundreds of random sketches.
>>4367061That's literally pumping out masterpieces.
>>4367083I've seen most of his works... once you see about a hundred in a row the style becomes familiar and you start to see meh and the wow more clearly.
>>4366224I feel your pain. The best I've done is found some books.My recommendations:*** Picture Perfect Practice - Roberto ValenzuelaThis is a photo course in a book, with exercises to boot. If you work your way through this book and take its study seriously, I'm confident you'll end up better than even 80% of professional photographers.*** Picture Perfect Posing - Roberto ValenzuelaA good book on learning to pose well. Not just a few canned poses, like a lot of books will walk you through, but actually help you understand why various poses work and give you the understanding necessary to be creative and innovative with poses.*** This guy also has a couple other books on lighting/flash that I intend to buy. If they're anything like the prior two books, they're going to be great.*** Studio Anywhere - Nick FancherThis book won't teach you a lot about general photography, but will teach you how to get by and do a lot with minimal equipment anywhere you go, and get you producing pictures that will impress your friends and most hobbyists quickly. This guy is pretty creative at problem solving with photography, and seeing his examples and techniques will be a huge boon.*** He's got a few other books on creative lighting I intend to check out.*** The Photographer's Eye - Michael FreemanApproaches photography from a design standpoint, and well help you understand things like how composition, contrast, color, etc. contribute to an effective photo.
pic related for compositionlight science and magic for a technical rundown on studio lighting
>>4367061Pink Floyd existed for 50 years, recording a creativity explosion of 24 albums and playibg 12,000 live performances, nearly all of which occurred before anyone outside the avant-garde & art rock scene ever heard of them. When Dark Side of the Moon came out, their 16th album in 5 years, the band was almost done with each other and barely kept it together to produce 3.5 more albums over the next decade with 1 tour per album, and those & a couple post-breakup solo albums are the only music most people have ever heard.Indie legends Grandaddy couldn't fill a fucking coffee house with an audience til after they broke up, and their insanely negligent record company lost the rights to their unreleased music and hundreds of incredible songs flooded out, given away by the band & landed them car commercials & high dollar offers by all the major festivals, tour promoters & labels. By then they were too busy selling used cars and working as bicycle mechanics.Practice & refine. Eventually you have a mature body if work the world can sell.
>>4367182I watched a course by Roberto Valenzuela on Creative Live. That guy is truly a master of this craft.
>>4366224Take photos.Go out, shoot, review your photos, decide which of those photos you like and don't like, notice patterns, shoot better photos next time you go out.Get a camera you can take with you everywhere and never miss an opportunity.You'll be taking photos you're proud of before you know it.[EXIF data available. Click here to show/hide.]Camera-Specific Properties:Equipment MakePanasonicCamera ModelDMC-LX3Camera SoftwareAdobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic 13.2 (Macintosh)Maximum Lens Aperturef/2.0Image-Specific Properties:Horizontal Resolution240 dpiVertical Resolution240 dpiImage Created2024:05:21 21:16:05Exposure Time1/100 secF-Numberf/2.8Exposure ProgramManualISO Speed Rating200Lens Aperturef/2.8Exposure Bias0 EVMetering ModePatternFlashNo Flash, CompulsoryFocal Length12.80 mmColor Space InformationsRGB
>>4366224Just mess around with your camera, try different settings. Don't take it too seriously. There is always something new to learn and nobody knows it all. There are no oracles.
>>4366224Anybody who knew the answer to that would be an incredibly successful photographer. Anybody who did not know the answer to that would not be an incredibly successful photographer.Only a tiny percentage of incredibly successful photographers would be any good at teachingIf the incredibly small subset of good photographers who would also make good teachers taught this knowledge to others they would lose their source of income.In summary the world is exactly as you would expect it to be and there are no good courses teaching photography well from the best photographers.You are on your own to learn as is everyone else.
>>4367879>Only a tiny percentage of incredibly successful photographers would be any good at teachingthey teach their shit through their art. their whole method is there. no one needs anything other than photography. stop writing in this reddit format
Get a book on painting instead
