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Georgy Rerberg is the king of /vid/

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Say I have a camera rig (without xlr)
And I have something like a zoom f3 and a mic connected to it
can I just mount the zoom f3 on the rig and connect it to the camera (via 3.5mm jack) so the audio gets recorded together with the video? Or do I have to do it separately (with timecode)
As a run and gun all in one kind of setup

>>4383225
If you connect it to your camera via 3.5mm jack, your sound is still being interpreted by your camera's preamp which is assumedly shit.
It's a good idea for helping to sync sound in post but you'd still be better off using the zoom to record the main track you use.

Personally I never use timecodes. I just sync it by ear, listening for certain markers.

>>4383234
ah shame, syncing sound is the bane of my existence, even with timecode it seems not to work properly half the time
it's not an issue if you don't film a lot of footage over a lot of time, but if you do it's a huge pain in the ass

>>4383239
I've edited 2 entire feature films this way.
As long as you organise your files properly and clearly vocally announce what take is what at the start of the recording, it's very doable. And it's necessary when you're using more than one external recorder. The main one might have timecodes but my cheap zoom h1 doesn't as far as I'm aware.
Would it be nicer if everything auto-synced? Of course. But spending 20 seconds finding two sound markers to sync the clips isn't that big of an issue.

>>4383176

One of the few who dared to call out Tarkovsky on his shit

>>4383253
Tarkovsky was a fucking retard who ruined Stalker two times. Tarkovsky talked so much shit about artists who collaborated with him on his key projects. He was nothing without Konchalovsky and Rerberg. His last two film suck dick. Even Bergman took shots at him for those two films.

>>4383259
Nostalghia is his best film, but we can move this discussion over to /film/ if you’d like.
To keep it on topic- I’m constantly impressed and amazed with what the classic and foreign filmmakers were able to achieve with much smaller budgets, smaller crew, archaic (by todays standards) cameras/lenses/technology. Most crew today wouldn’t be able to pull off a typical working day like the greats used to. Is anyone here shooting on vintage film cameras, or using software to emulate more vintage film looks?

>>4383270

Tarkovsky is not the greatest example of this because most of his films had decent to great budgets ( though some were made on a shoestirng budget). The Soviet Union filmmaking program was also well funded because it was integral part of the state and how they wanted to push propaganda/communism ideals (depends who you ask if it is propaganda or not, I will not go into politics on an american image board). The soviet filmmakers also had good gear for the time, again because the state saw cinema as one of the most important art forms.

Also Tarkovsky got special treatment from the censorship officials, especially after he started getting international recognition and fame.

>>4383319
>propaganda/communism ideals
Hate this word. You probably don't use this word for Western cold war films.

>>4383319
I don't remember which historian I was listening to talking about the Soviet film program but they explained that someone told the party brass that aside from being handy in propaganda, film would be the next great artistic medium like the ballet, symphony, & the rest of the fine arts, and that the USSR really needed to fund a program to ensure that soviet films can get made and the USSR doesn't look like it's fallen totally behind in the modern arts world. So the party agreed, but didn't know shit about what made a film good or not, so they just left it up to the filmmakers to decide who was good and what got made and what didn't. So the shit talking was part of the system. ...which would make some sense, considering that's also kinda how they did their space programs, always making three separate programs and pitting them against each other until the best/most aggressive one won out in the end.

>>4383324
>other countries: propaganda
>usaland:
Um excuse me sir I think you mean patriotic.

>>4383324

I know, should not have even used it but it's mostly for the americans

>>4383319
>>4383324
>>4383340

oh and Tarkovsky's dad was a relatively famous poet, so he was a nepo baby as well

>>4383319
>Also Tarkovsky got special treatment from the censorship officials, especially after he started getting international recognition and fame
It was the exact opposite of this, leading to him having to leave the Soviet Union in order to make and distribute his films.

>>4383349

Later yes, but not for the bulk of his career

Anyone got any affordable suggestions of filming live music gigs to get clean audio?

Whenever I plug my audio recorder into the sound desk it always ends up sounding shite coz it's mixed for the space.

Ideally I would want a way to capture all the audio from diff things before it reaches the desk to be able to mix later... Would a Zoom H6 and a bunch of XLR splitters suffice or do I need more?

>>4383245
I did one with and one without and it's ass

>>4383460
but then again I should add I am a disorganised retard and even just finding the right clips to sync takes ages

>>4383349
What are you talking about? They allowed him Mirror. And Stalker was shot 3 three times, on Kodak film stock with Cooke lenses. They gave him new sets and best screenwriters and cinematographers. Before leaving USSR Tarkovsky destroyed the negatives of the film he was working on.

>>4383340
>that the USSR really needed to fund a program to ensure that soviet films can get made and the USSR doesn't look like it's fallen totally behind in the modern arts world.
Listen to what Frank Zappa said about 60s music revolution in US. Those cigar smoking fat mfers label owners were as clueless as Soviet Authorities so due to them being clueless they have opportunities to unusual people, "who knows, it might work out". Soviet Cinema and American rock music are crown jewels of both countries.

>>4383473
nah the other anon is right, tark did not really enjoy special rights. Read his diaries and sculpting in time, he writes about how difficult it was to get anything made for him - why do you think his films were made years apart
And yes while he may have had access to good film stock and lenses and they built him sets (all of which was state owned though so it is not really as much of a luxury as it would be in the west), the other aspects of the production were pretty barebones, there was no luxury like in Hollywood productions. And one interesting caveat of the soviet system was, while films like Mirror were indeed eventually allowed to be made, they would have an extremely limited theatrical run or be shelved altogether. Sokurov's debut film for instance wasn't released until 20 years later.
More than about Tarkovsky I'm actually curious about Lopushansky and his post-apocalyptic trilogy - he was virtually unknown compared to tarkovsky in both east and west but his films seem much more high budget and high effort in terms of sets etc, so I'm curious what the deal was there

>>4383484
Budget for Mirror was in millions. Rerberg said that he had 5 of those big ass lights with which you can light up a fucking mountain. This is DOP's wet dream. Also their man power was high. Tarkovsky himself was a big cunt, his asistant said that he never compromised on anything with the authroities. I think less but quality production did Tarkovsky a huge favor. Every director make too many films. It's tedious. He never shat out any fillers like Western directors. All of his film are top-tier. Soviet censorship ended up becoming a plus for him.
>all of which was state owned though so it is not really as much of a luxury as it would be in the west)
Really? Rerberg and Tarkovsky visited the studio they offered for Stalker and straight up told them that its shit. So they REBUILD a new studio just for Saltker.

Le poor little Tarkovsky narrative push by cold war brained liberals is hilarious.

>>4383485
>REBUILD a new studio
*new set

>>4383485
All of which that you talk about is thanks to everything being state owned, not because of Tarks status. It may have had some weight, but it was not the main reason at all. There's a lot of curious soviet productions that are completely obscure but that enjoyed all these benefits. That's just the kind of system they had.
And yes I agree regarding quality over quantity, and I don't remember who it was now, maybe even tarkovsky, but some filmmaker I recall writing about preferring to work under limiting conditions because it forces you to think outside the box, be more creative, and do the best you can etc, rather than get complacent in infinite comfort

>>4383488
Tarkovsky had no money and he himself liked to live in an pseudo-ascetic way. In any other country an idealistic poet would have failed because knowing the "business" is as important for a director as his craft. I am just sick of YouTube videos essays by retards on Tarkovsky and other Soviet filmmakers. They keep repeating words like "Soviet censorship", "State Funded" and "Communism" like slurs words. Yes there were limitation but filmmakers knew how to exploit loopholes.

I live in a capitalist third world shithole. Theoretically I have "freedom" to do "whatever I want" and I have "infinite choice" but I have no fucking money and zero opportunists so practically I am totally fucked and trapped.

>>4383489
Yeah I agree and I mention things being state owned as a positive, not a negative

I think the kind of attitude you mention is a leftover of Cold War mentality that got drummed into western (but especially American) peoples collective psyche
Not to say that it was all sunshine and rainbows of course, and many of the current self proclaimed leftists/soviet adherents are as cringe and retarded as the ones who spout those aforementioned buzzwords

>>4383484

>Read his diaries and sculpting in time, he writes about how difficult it was to get anything made for him

He always complained about this, those diaries aren't exactly a representation of reality necessarily, they are his point of view

>>4383489

>Yes there were limitation but filmmakers knew how to exploit loopholes.

They did, but also some filmmakers got away with more shit than others.

>>4383460
>>4383461
A lot of filmmaking is finding the way of doing things that works for you.
I think my biggest mistake is that I've been working as a one-man-band/in a skeleton crew for so long that the idea of collaborating on the editing/mixing process is an incredibly scary idea to me now.

>>4383489
>an idealistic poet would have failed because knowing the "business" is as important for a director as his craft
I can’t stand this mentality/mindset. So many incredible works of art have been made either completely ignoring this or in direct defiance of this.
Wonder how much sweet business and loads of cash Sokurov made off of ‘Whispering Pages’? Most likely fucking nothing, yet it’s one of his best films and one of my favorite films.

>>4383706
I think you're both kind of saying the same thing though
Sokurov was quite a big guy by the 90s and probably knew his way around the system. The question is how it changed during perestroika from the soviet system to the new Russian system. Must've been something of a free for all because they made a ton of extremely 'wacky', albeit low budget, films in the 90s
Also based Whispering Pages enjoyer

>>4383826
> extremely wacky low budget films

Was “2 guys 1 hammer” one of those films?

>>4383826
>they made a ton of extremely 'wacky', albeit low budget, films in the 90s
Are you talking solely Sokurov or others? Any recs?

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>>4384011
I'm talking in general
>recs
quite a few of the ones in picrel for instance. Theyre kind of weird films that I can't imagine to have been made anywhere else except for 90s Russia and whatever funding system they had going on there

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>>4384025
Based, thanks

>>4384025
Khrustalyov, My Car! is such a mindfuck. Fucking hell

>tfw have a 90% chance to be accepted to Berlinale but almost impossible to make it even for the extended deadline

FUCK

>>4384437
>>tfw have a 90% chance to be accepted to Berlinale
holy shit really? but what's stopping you

>>4384437
How do you have such a high chance? Do you have inside contacts? Or are you just really confident in your film?

>>4384437
give free passes faggot. i for one will give you a 10mins standing ovation. and whistle the shitout of out of the those yuppie fucks in expensive suits.

>>4384438
>>4384447
Several reasons. The film was in one of the Berlinale Talents workshops so we're already known by them, it is a coproduction of several countries including Germany so that increases its eligibility, and lastly our producer already had several films in Berlinale and has contacts there.
It's not gonna happen because we're not gonna finish it in time. The deadline was November 1st, and our producer got an extended deadline of end of November for us, but we won't make it for that either. Our editing got delayed by two months for various reasons and even if it hadn't it would be extremely tight
>>4384448
I would if I had some


Sucks, but that's how it is

>>4384457
Oh and forgot to add of course the film is very much a Berlinale/festival type film stylistically and thematically

>>4384457
>>4384463
I am happy to know that a /p/ee fag is making his feature and could have made it to Berlinale. That's crazy.

What about locarno, venice and cannes?

>>4384468
This is my second feature actually, the first one, which was self funded, played at a few respectable festivals and that's how I was able to make this second one the 'proper' way
I've been posting in /vid/ since around 2012 when I first started getting into the filmmaking stuff and getting my first gear, so I have you faggots to thank in part.
>What about Locarno, Venice and Cannes?
Havent even discussed Venice and Cannes, they are probably out of our reach. Locarno is a possibility though, we've already spoken to them and they seem keen. Currently our producer however is aiming for us to premiere at CPH:DOX, also with a special deadline. Not sure if we'll make it for it, and I'd prefer Locarno anyway.
I have to say though lads, having seen things from the inside, getting into one of these larger (not even talking about the big three) festivals without a (connected) producer is nigh impossible. Everyone knows everyone. There's actually a good article about this - https://filmindustrywatch.org/special-report-favouritism-nepotism-and-corruption-in-the-european-film-space/
It's a real shame actually because they're keeping good new talent out, and the festivals themselves have become a bit stagnant, as people have noticed. These days you're actually gonna see more interested and more daring and more genuine films at smaller festivals.

>>4384479
>I have to say though lads, having seen things from the inside, getting into one of these larger (not even talking about the big three) festivals without a (connected) producer is nigh impossible
Yeah, this has been apparent for a few years.
It sucks because it was the case ten years ago. And since then the problem's only gotten worse.
>These days you're actually gonna see more interested and more daring and more genuine films at smaller festivals.
From my experience, the smaller festivals can be divided into 3 categories
>scams who might give you a laurel in exchange for entry fee (but are often only curating their friends' shitty films)
>business types who only want to program films that have been successful in other festivals
>tiny festivals who genuinely want to find new and interesting films but quickly get overwhelmed and devolve into one of the above in subsequent years
Unfortunately there's nothing better in its place.
It's funny because I'm in a similar, but noticeably worse, situation to you. I'm editing my 2nd feature film. I edited my first badly and only got a few laurels, not enough to get anywhere. And now I'm editing my 2nd and I'm scared to finish because then I have to go through the process again.

>>4384484
ok I guess I was talking about medium size festivals then because those types don't apply. Maybe it's a regional difference, I'm in Europe and I think we have slightly less of those scummy/business types than in the US
>I edited my first badly and only got a few laurels
it'd. I didn't do great audio work on my first one and completely fudged the marketing/distribution, I think I could've gotten a lot more exposure for it and myself if those had been done properly

Hey, good on you for doing something though, and just have to be a bit cheeky with those submissions to get somewhere. I don't know how much money I spent on festival submissions for the first one, and in the end ironically enough I think it was only free festivals that took the film.
Is your 2nd self-funded and self-made?

>>4384491
>it'd
*iktf

>>4384479
>I've been posting in /vid/ since around 2012
So it took you 12 years to make it? Holy shit
>so I have you faggots to thank in part.
I am just starting after failing at photography. So I am a newfag for /vid/.

>I have to say though lads, having seen things from the inside, getting into one of these larger (not even talking about the big three) festivals without a (connected) producer is nigh impossible. Everyone knows everyone.
Fucking same as photography.

>>4384496
>So it took you 12 years to make it
No that was just the start in my involvement in any of this, I didn't get gear until 2014, made a short film in 2016, then first feature in 2018, and now this one should come out next year (though it got delayed by two years because of covid shenanigans). And I don't think I've 'made it' yet desu, far from it. I have to add though that I'm a lazy retard and a massive procrastinator, so somebody with more 'drive' could be where I am much much sooner probably. I kind of hate myself for that but it is what it is.
>same as photography
same as a lot of creative and non creative avenues unfortunately it seems

>>4384505
How do you support yourself is it from film related stuff or do you have a job?

>I have to add though that I'm a lazy retard and a massive procrastinator, so somebody with more 'drive' could be where I am much much sooner probably.
That's what we expect of other people but it's not true. You did great anon. I have been on /p/ for 10 years and still I have zero connections in the art world and I have never managed get my work published.

>>4384511
I had to get a non film related office part time job to pay the bills while working on film stuff, in fact I made hardly any money from it until last year. I hope that once I complete this one I'll be able to move into film stuff full time, because regular work sucks ass
Thanks for the encouraging words anon, I hope we're all gonna make it in the end

>>4384491
>>4384493
What genre are you working in?
That's quite inspiring. I'm uk, not us. Maybe I'm just not looking at the right festivals. I probably spent between £200 and £400 on festival submissions (including wasting a lot submitting to Berlinale blind lol). I've always been too insecure to be as persistent as I probably need to be.
>Is your 2nd self-funded and self-made?
It is yeah. I don't want to give Tarantino too much credit but he's right when he said the best way to learn how to make a film is to make a film. I figured out how the first shoot could've gone a lot better and that I needed a script that was more marketable (first film was very edgy and very much inspired by eastern/european slow paced tense dramas). It was great finding a whole new host of problems that I didn't have the first time! I don't like it as much but I think pretty much everyone would agree that it's a much better film.
>>4384496
>So it took you 12 years to make it? Holy shit
To go from knowing nothing to making your first feature, fully independently, isn't a quick or easy task. It took me about 6 years, starting in 2014, and I rushed it. The more people you can convince of your "vision" and get to back you, the quicker and easier it becomes. But if you're like me, it's about learning everything you can as fast as possible and then finding people to enact your vision. It's basically work with talented people or settle for lots of trial and error.

>>4384528
>what genre
nonfiction
>im uk not us
I guess the UK is inbetween the US and EU for these sorts of things..
>it is yeah
I highly recommend you try to get a proper producer for your next one, it makes things a lot easier (financially), and they can connect you to other people so you can outsource things you're not good at, it'll make everything smoother, and they might have connections to get you into better festivals as well. So if your second one does decently well you might be able to score a producer. Have you been to any workshops by the way?

>>4383164
Why even spend the money on expensive gear when Breaking Bad has proven that you can create a mega hit using your dad's old camcorder?

>>4384542
I'm sorry what?

>>4384542
>Why even spend the money on expensive gear when Breaking Bad has proven that you can create a mega hit using your dad's old camcorder?
Why are you poor when the dark knight proved anyone with clown makeup can pull off a massive bank heist and escape with a 100% share to themselves?

You see any mentally ill billionaires in bat costumes running around? Chop chop poorfag get to it

>>4384539
>nonfiction
You know what I mean. Are they existential dramas? Coming of age films? Crime thrillers? Comedies?
>I highly recommend you try to get a proper producer for your next one
Yeah. I meant to that but connections versus money and all the rest. I don't think I'm prepared to self-produce another one any time soon.
>Have you been to any workshops by the way?
No. I'm guessing I should? There are so many "networking events" and the like under different names that only exist to separate naive wannabe filmmakers from their money. I'm not smart enough to figure out which ones are good and which will leave me feeling pissed off

>>4384555
No I mean nonfiction as in 'documentary' but I don't like that term because it makes me think of shitty tv docus, and mine are more in the direction of 'essay films' and art house than straight documentary
So non-narrative, nonfiction, etc.
Well so the workshop and producer thing is twofold. In theory, the workshops exist to develop your film and help you get connected. I've been to a few workshops for instance where participants basically just had a script and that's it, and were there to find a producer or other collaborators. So that's a good function. I didn't pay for any because in my country the fees are covered by the national film fund, and some were free iirc. The shitty part is that in some of these workshops the tutors are basically just failed filmmakers and they're hellbent to change your film to their will, and you have to do your utmost to resist and persist in your vision. Of course there's people who gladly fold or already share their (in my opinion shitty) vision. And it's because of this that I think these workshops, which weren't a thing before the 90s afaik and have become so widespread now, kind of contribute to films generally becoming shittier and more milquetoast, samey, and monotonous. With my current film I've been to 4 workshops, luckily unscathed, because my producer insisted, as it looks good for funds and festivals, and the workshops usually end in a pitching event at some festival where you get greater exposure etc etc etc. So I personally don't like them, but they're kind of a necessary evil in the current system. But they can genuinely be useful to find collaborators or get exposure, even if somebody hasn't made anything previously. And of course just like with festivals there's usually varying degrees of prestige to them.

>>4384555
>There are so many "networking events" and the like under different names that only exist to separate naive wannabe filmmakers from their money
This

>I've been to a few workshops for instance where participants basically just had a script and that's it, and were there to find a producer or other collaborators. So that's a good function
Have any you’d suggest looking into? Does there happen to be a list/resource/website for workshops like these?
I always thought you had to apply with a pitch deck and then get chosen/accepted in order to even attend the workshop. Maybe I’m confusing this with “film labs/grants/residency” and other shit

>>4384602
Second paragraph meant to quote >>4384560

>>4384560
Sorry, I saw "nonfiction" and read it as "fiction" for some reason. Can you share anything more or would that risk doxing yourself?
That's really interesting. The entire industry is such a labyrinth of trying to navigate. I'll probably give it a shot though after I finish this editing

>>4384602
Sorry don't have a list and can't recommend the ones I've been to because they're doc and region specific, except for Berlinale Talents, that's basically one of the biggest and the best, and applying there was either free or very cheap, but as you can imagine competition is huge, especially for the 3 or 4 specific workshops (for docs, scripts, and don't remember what else) that they have within Talents that take like 5 or so projects each, general Talents takes around 200 people I think but is also less useful, albeit still prestigious. I would imagine other large festivals probably also have something like that, so you'll need to do some research. There must be some site that collects this kind of info. And they have quite different formats, so for instance some just take place over a week during a festival, while others take place over a year in four sessions, each a week at a time, etc. And some are for specific stages of the process, so you could maybe find a postproduction one to help you with your editing.
>film labs/grants/residency
I mean for me labs and workshops are basically the same thing, grants are grants obviously, and residencies are a different beast altogether - I haven't personally been to any, but I know some people who have and they seem quite cool and chill, but of course competition to get in will be high again.
Can't really share anything more about the project unfortunately because the theme is very specific, but if you have any general questions I can answer them

>>4383164
I can't fucking stand docs & journo anymore. Fucking disposable trash lost in a sea of disposable trash just like it. What is the fucking point anymore, I mean shyyyyet its as bad as every retard with a 5th grade education starting a fuckin podcast so they won't have to go get a real job. You take the art completely out of film and you have a bunch of gibbering that makes people who can't fucking read feel like they're educated on a subject bc they DiD ThEiR OwN ReSaRcH, whoopee thats goin juuust great for everybody. No. You're wasting everybody's time and just adding noise to the bulk that way. Film is a visual medium. If you can't put an ounce of motherfucking effort into some semblence of your own unique goddamn visual design language, then put your camera down and record an audiobook, bc your viz is not be interestink and you shoul stick to story, bc you are a pleb not a damn artiste.

>>4384745
Completely agree
Don't know why docs get a pass being like that
Ok the other hand if you do put more effort into your visuals and forego the classic do way, people suck you off big time, like you just reinvented the wheel
It's really weird though, at these workshops the only thing ever being discussed was always just muh story story story story, never the form. Same at Q&As as well, it's like it's completely irrelevant to them

>>4384746
>only thing ever being discussed was always just muh story story story story, never the form.
What do you means by form? Like Lynch had a 21 page script for Eraserhead?

>>4384747
the form of the film, the visuals, the style, the presentation, call it what you want

>>4384772
OOO I get it. You can't expect from plebs to care about style. Art without aesthetics is nothing.

I have seen Faya Dayi. Although it was "woke" but the style of that film was really hypnotic so I liked it even if I don't care about their ideology.

>>4384774
You can't teach artistic inspiration

>>4384745
Agreed. I have always disliked docs/nonfiction. When compared to fiction, I have never been as scared, never laughed as much, never cried as much, never been inspired as much, never been thrilled as much, never been entertained as much, never been philosophically provoked as much. The art form is at its peak with fiction.
Maybe I learn a new fact or two from a doc. That’s it.

>>4384746
There is a massive obsession with “THE RULES” and “STORY!! CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!!!” in the recent generations that has grown to an alarming size. The art form has certainly been suffering because of it. When normies binge CinemaSins or start talking about character development, there is a sickness that needs to be cured.
I don’t know if this also has to do with the amount of failed filmmakers turned teachers who don’t know how to teach anything other than rules and structure? Or if it’s a case of “imposter syndrome” and fear of not being taken seriously as an artist- if you can point to hard rules and objective facts to follow, your art has a base to stand on that can’t be subjectively ridiculed in the very least?
I don’t know why so many have forgotten that the rules are indeed made to be broken.

>>4384772
Even this suffers as well- all you get are people obsessing over how to “properly” light and expose a scene, how to “properly” block, how to “properly” get coverage, how to “properly” edit the scene.
And then you get people having breakfast in the dark while everyone obsesses over HOW CINEMATIC THIS LOOKS!!!

>>4384913
>I don’t know if this also has to do with the amount of failed filmmakers turned teachers who don’t know how to teach anything other than rules and structure? Or if it’s a case of “imposter syndrome” and fear of not being taken seriously as an artist- if you can point to hard rules and objective facts to follow, your art has a base to stand on that can’t be subjectively ridiculed in the very least?
>I don’t know why so many have forgotten that the rules are indeed made to be broken.
I'm pretty sure that, like most things, it's a result of nepotism and boomers kicking the ladder behind them
Retards get given opportunities due to connections and have to justify why they're there. They give safe, recognisable answers and everyone nods along and it creates a feedback loop.
To get anywhere, you have to impress the retard boomers at the helm. They don't care about innovation, they care about safe investments. So you have to speak to them in that language. Everything gets sanitised and watered down. If someone like Scorsese was trying to become a filmmaker now, he'd be stuck going broke making low-budget thrillers with meme actors until he relented and signed on to direct some tv episodes of the latest capeshit where he had zero artistic control.

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>>4384913
watch more/better docs/nonfiction, because there's a whole category of them that are better than fiction
I agree however that mainstream docs are mostly trash
I wholeheartedly recommend all in picrel, some absolutely fantastic films there

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>>4384934
I’ve seen either the ones listed there or docs from Grandrieux, Bing, Tsai, Castaing-Taylor, Basinski, Sokurov, Benning, Akerman, Marker, and Vertov docs.
While you’re indeed listing some good films, I stand by my statement. It’s interesting- from the filmmakers listed who have also done fiction, their fiction films far surpass their non-fiction.

>>4384948
Then there is no hope for you I'm afraid

>>4384949
Great. Im completely fine with continuing to spend my time with fiction over nonfiction.

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FCP 11 got "Magnetic Mask"... AI based masking tool. Can someone compare it to Resolve's Person Mask?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a2dIouFr70

>>4385002
no i don't have resolve pro sorry

Lads I've been toying around with the idea of making an ultra portable rig to complement my regular rig for travel and difficult to reach locations that would minimise size and maximise quality. I'm thinking of the Lumix S9 (my main is an S1H) as the camera, but not sure what to pair with it for audio? Any suggestions? Sony FX-3 would be a good fit as well but too expensive unfortunately, or something really tiny like an RX100VIII but the IQ isn't quite there.

>>4385117
Sony and panasony are garbage

>>4385149
Not useful

>>4385117
>but not sure what to pair with it for audio?
I've been using a zoom m3 lately and it's been fantastic. A decent quality shotgun mic that has 32bit float internal recording. If you can find a good way to sync it to your footage then you're pretty much set

>>4385154
>zoom m3
That looks pretty good actually
I couldn't just connect it to the mic jack on the camera? Would the audio quality suffer from that?

>>4385192
You can connect. But yes, the audio quality would suffer (you'd lose the 32bit float among other things).
You can feed it into the camera's mic port and record both internally and through the camera though. This will let you sync the audio in post really easily.

>>4385197
>You can feed it into the camera's mic port and record both internally and through the camera though. This will let you sync the audio in post really easily.
Oh nice that sounds like a good solution

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Why the fuck did these get discontinued
Theyre much better than Atomos' crap

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>>4385200
I don't know, but the company, I guess, decided to only focus on audio. That was probably a better financial strategy for them.

One of the best threads we’ve had in awhile, let’s keep it up

>>4385239
Is that sarcasm or do you really believe so?

>>4385154
Is the m3 good for atmos?

>>4385246
>filmmaker discussion
>filmmaking discussion
>film industry discussion
>little bit of gear talk
seems pretty good to me

>>4385246
Truly believe so, wish they were all like this

>>4385249
>>filmmaker discussion
I'd rather have a slow thread than two autists discussing which cinematographer had the best influence on Tarkovsky. Take that shit to /film. /vid/ is about the process of making shit, not jerking off to your favourite filmmakers from 60 years ago.

>>4385316
Fair enough

>>4385316
I'll take that over the gearfagging that goes on here any day

>>4385321
If you want that, why do not just go to /film/? That's literally all they do (and the threads are unbearable circlejerks surprisingly enough)

>>4385325
>threads are unbearable circlejerks
I wish. It’s mostly spam/trolling/shitposting. Haven’t had a discussion there even close to what happened in this thread for a very long time.

What do you guys use/recommend for video editing and especially color grading? I don't want to be an Adobe cuck because of the retarded prices and Davinci Resolve doesn't allow 10bit files and the color banding on 8bit looks horrendous when I try to color grade anything. Davinci Studio is pretty pricey and I considered Premier Elements, but apparently the latter doesn't have color grading and isn't really meant for LOG stuff.

>>4385351
>Davinci Resolve doesn't allow 10bit files
The fuck?

>Davinci Studio is pretty pricey
The fuck?

>>4385361
>The fuck?
Correct, the free version does not. You end up with just the audio.

>Davinci Studio is pretty pricey
Correct.

>>4385351
my gh5 10bit files won't work on my windows pc but they will on my m1 air.
both using the free resolve, pretty weird hey

if you do buy resolve, buy something that includes a key, then you get something for $500 off or "free"

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>>4385371
This. I bought one of these when they came out and it was pretty much the same price as Davinci studio and came with a key, so essentially got it for free.
And the Speed Editor is actually pretty cool, it seems dumb but once you use it you get pretty damn fast with it and it just feels tactile and really nice to manipulate footage physically like that.

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>>4385371
The free version will do 10 bit on mac for some reason, I have studio on my windows desktop but downloaded resolve free onto my m1 air a few days ago just to see if it would work and I was surprised it did.

>>4385374
I've seen a couple of these pop up on marketplace and was mildly curious. I guess if I were to actually pay for resolve that sounds like the route to go instead of just outright buying it, that way you'll at least have a new toy to play around with.

Just pirate davinci studio lmao

>>4385371
>>4385381
>10bit works on Mac but not Windows
What the fuck

>>4385381
Interesting. I've got a Mac Air but it's a base model, so I'm not sure it would be strong enough for editing 4K without using swap memory at an extreme rate.

>>4385391
With proxy files why does any of that matter anymore?

>>4385374
I've used a dial on an old VHS system designed for editing. I was a natural with it in about 2 minutes. Always wanted a digital version of it, and with how fast Resolve is, I might just try this.

>>4385392
Honestly I've never messed with proxies. I've only ever done photo editing, things like proxies and LOG is where I'm really new when it comes to video editing. Do proxy files still use 10bit for the editing process?

>>4385394
You have the option to convert them to 10 bit but most people will just do 8 bit at 1080p and then the program will apply all the changes to the 10 bit file and export at full quality.

>>4385397
And the color grade won't look all fucked up on the final render if I edit with 8bit proxies?

>>4385391
my m1 air was better than my x58 6 core xeon at editing 4k30, didn't grade or do anything fancy but it worked like a champ,

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S9 vs FX3?

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>>4385409
out of those i'd get the sony, but it was the s1h im 50/50

>>4385411
I already have an S1H though

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Ok how about this instead, a bit closer in price
S9 vs FX30

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>>4385399
It should look fine when you do the final render you do it at 10bit it’s only 8bit when you are editing it.

>>4385413
As a panatranny, fx30 is simply better choice

>>4385399
you can render short clips to see how things are looking

>>4385432
As a fellow panatranny, how so?

>>4385351
If you're editing 10bit files you should be prepared to invest 300 bucks into an nle.
If you aren't prepared to do that, you should stick to 8bit. The free video editing software that comes with windows (clipchamp) also lets you edit 10 bit files but it's not great.

Hewwo /vid/, this will be a blogpost, please keep scrolling if that bothers you.
I wanna make a montage, or probably more like a bunch of short videos/music videos of my next 8 months or so just for myself and my brother to look back on when we're old. We travel a lot for work and we're always in a different place each day, so it would just be about the country scenery, random funny signs, nice looking gardens, cool cars, interesting moments at work, etc., so mostly handheld shots, some out of the car window, no real control over lighting or even time to set it up, mostly focused at infinity, that sort of thing.
I've just been using my phone which honestly has really good ibis and good enough detail, even at 70-120mm equivalent crop, but I want to shoot some footage that will hopefully look more like a movie rather than random phone videos you'd post on social media or whatever. Obviously not looking to get it published or played back on a big projector or something though.
Is it worth getting an fx30 or a pana s5ii for this, or would something like an rx100 mark whatever or an a6400 with the basic kit lens accomplish what I'm looking for?
Also post home video inspo, I'm sure there's a word for like summer vibes roadtrip handheld short movies with no dialogue or story, I've got it in my head I just can't think of any examples rn.

>>4385418
>>4385433
Hmm, maybe I can try doing proxy edits on my Windows PC (which has a shitload better specs) and then just render the project with the Mac.

I might upgrade my Mac in the future since 8GB really isn't enough for my needs. Is 16GB enough and just 512GB for the SSD? Is there a reason to pick a Pro over the Air if they both have the same 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD? I'll probably edit off an external SSD rather than do it from the internal drive, which is what I do for most things as it is anyway.

>creating proxy videos and disabling the bullshit offloading of files when you alt-tab solved all sony vegas crashes and freezes
I wish someone told me sooner

Hey, I've got one of these Sony camcorders with a bunch of 8mm tapes of family memories that I can attempting to digitize.
Is there some automatic way to detect the end of the tape? I want to make sure I don't unknowingly forget to playback and capture sections of the tape that might be separated from the beginning. Also any tips for this endeavor? I just bought a cheap little 20 dollar composite to usb converter, its not even in yet, I can't say if it will even work
Do you think the camcorder playback is a limiting factor? Its only mono audio and video plugs (the yellow and white plugs) I would be willing to buy a dedicated 8mm player if it will significantly improve the quality

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fucking forgot picture

Anon who just purchased BMCC 6K FF here-
I noticed it had an issue with being unable to change the date/time. Couldn’t update it automatically through Ethernet, PC connection. Couldn’t update it manually. Searched online, didn’t see anyone else reporting a problem like that.
Called support, walked me through trying everything, updated firmware to newest version, rolled back to first version- still couldn’t update date/time.
Had to fucking mail it in, they replaced the entire PCB main board. I was hoping for an entire camera replacement, but they just swapped that out and sent it back.
I’ve just received it and confirm it works. Was told by support that they “had never experienced an issue like this before, this is a first”. Of course, my fucking luck…
Took 5 days to repair, 2 days to ship back. If anyone else encounters this, hope my post helps. Thanks for reading my blog, excited to have my camera back and get back to filming dumb shit.

>>4385371
Try installing the HEVC Video Extension from Microsoft.

You can buy it from the Microsoft store for a dollar or so. Or be cheap and spin the wheel on a free download somewhere from the internet and you'll either be able to edit, or brick your computer.

>>4385453
The best camera on Earth is the one you have at the time. Set a budget, buy something and film. If you're aiming to watch it in 30 years even an Alexa Mini will look dated then.

>>4384479
Congrats and keep working despite the crap. I was finding a similar problem with a doco I wanted to make. I had a good producer who had some productions under their belt. But the majority of funding in my country comes from government agencies and they were not looking for our kind of film.

I was recommended to call a 'producer' who is well, the kind of person government likes funding. The offer was that they would put their name on the application, we would get the funding because the department could tick some boxes. Then they take a cut of the budget and let us do what we wanted with the rest. It's a pile of rot and I turned it down.

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>>4386181
>HEVC
yeah did that for my gopro footage(right), gh5 left) still won't work

I used these to not pay the msft tax, worked for me
https://www.codecguide.com/media_foundation_codecs.htmhttps://www.howtogeek.com/285410/how-to-install-appx-or-appxbundle-software-on-windows-10/

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>>4386181
>Then they take a cut of the budget and let us do what we wanted with the rest.
I would've gone for it probably

>>4385880
>detect the end of the tape
adobe premiere 3 with firewire, pretty sure it did this, but it was ages ago in high school

>>4386181
It sounds like some type of scam. They probably lied to to people giving the grant about what it was going to be used for and when the shit hit the fan later on you’d take the blame and they’d get the money.

>get email inviting me to submit to film festival - 50% off
>get them all the time but still investigate to see if it's any good
>festival looks good on paper - US based, a number of days devoted to screenings, relatively cheap entry but not too cheap to raise suspicions
>only red flag is that there are no reviews but they're never helpful anyway (I swear 90% of the time they're bots)
>look for website
>can't find on google, log into filmfreeway to get it
>looks okay, look up past films
>only shows winners, fair selection of about 15 awards, still looking good
>look up one of the winners on google
>zero results or indication that the film exists
>weird but it can happen especially if it's a short film or they just haven't released it publicly yet
>look up another
>same thing - no evidence that the film exists
>try it several more times, each time getting zero relevant results
They almost had me. For reference, even the shittiest festivals have programs with films that you can easily look up. Normally you get a shitty trailer on youtube that looks like it was filmed on a camcorder from 20 years ago but the point is that the film clearly exists. Here, not one had any digital footprint.
This is the reality when trying to navigate being an indie filmmaker. Figuring out which festivals are genuine and which are scams is getting harder and harder.

>>4386255
don't you have a targeted festival in your region you are trying to get into?

>>4386256
I live in the middle of nowhere on the outskirts of london. The london festivals are mostly all scams or overpriced, or overpriced scams. The other festivals in the area are largely shit but I'm looking into them yeah.

>>4386258
that makes a lot of sense, i bet the density is wild. i don't have that issue in my region because i've been to pretty much all the festivals in a 500 mile radius to watch films

>>4386258
Yeah UK is strangely shit for festivals
They only good legit one basically is Sheffield docfest, but they're cunts unless you're big

>>4386256
>targeted festival in your region
Got any suggestions for experimental/narrative hybrid concerning dark subject matter with harsh noise soundtracks?
Cause I can’t find any.

>>4386258
NW7 represent

>>4386278
i bet you just need to build a social network. have you tried connecting with people at art or film schools, art museums, theatre groups? are there venues that show films at special events? there's pretty much nothing too weird that it isn't being shown somewhere as long as it's not a snuff film.

>>4386308
>i bet you just need to build a social network
I completely agree and acknowledge it’s pretty much destroying any chance at a serious “career”. I can’t stand networking (in person and online), going out to stupid shit, putting on a smiling friendly face, whoring myself and my projects out, etc etc.
I just want to make art and have it be recognized for what it is, but I know that naive worldview has been dead since capitalism took over.

>>4386312
I think this is a problem for a surprisingly high number of aspiring filmmakers (myself included, but I've come across several filmmakers saying the same thing). There's not really a solution either. You've either got to somehow just lose all sense of shame and humility, or else be so fucking great that they can't ignore you.

>>4386314
>be so fucking great that they can't ignore you
Pretty easy to ignore when it’s all about connections/money. They don’t give a fuck what “great” is- can it sell? Can it make me money? Can it get me more attention, in the room with a star?

>>4386324
You're not wrong.
But it was the case before that amongst the people who judged the films were enough of a minority of people who cared about quality that you at least had a chance of getting somewhere just based on merit.
I refuse to believe that none of those judges are still around. Maybe I'm deluded. But what else is there? We're chasing an impossible dream without the unspoken necessary tools in the form of normie arrogance, making it ever more impossible.

>>4386325
Agreed. All I see/read/hear is that every aspect of every area is getting harder and harder and impossibly difficult, and that’s even for the life of the party assholes making straightforward mainstream trash.

>>4386312
here's my pov, i worked on staff for a small local festival that was showing films at 6-7 venues. there were probably 800 submissions in addition to the films that were paid for as main events. no one has the time to watch even half of that, so the known indie directors with work get priorities, then a few locals, then they skim to fill the rest.

if you had been working for a local indie crew and then got support to push your film you'd have a better shot at getting in. another example, i worked with a person that filled the slots for the film showcases at the local modern art museum and they did a survey day of local shorts, that's the kind of opening you can fit your stuff in. another example would be an event i remember that had art displays, local bands and a few film showings in the interrim.

without the connections it's way too hard to break through, and that's just piddly local-regional stuff, who even knows it works higher up.

so I'm primarily a photographer but I'm looking to set a new camera because the autofocus on my s5 is atrocious but I'm wondering, if I'm shooting primarily vlog stuff or tutorials do you think I could get away with an a7rv? it's fairly irregular that I shoot video. just wondering if maybe there's something else I should consider

>>4386348
the phone you have and a good mic with some lights

>>4386348
It doesn’t really matter unless you’re an indie filmmaker or doing weddings/commercials/MVs commercially. In that case you’d have a dedicated video camera married to the gimbal and audio junk.

>>4386365
>>4386359
true, I've got a decent mic but I guess I need to up my lighting game

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>>4385880
Hey anon, I'm interested in this response too, please report back on testing.
I'm waiting on a TRV camera right now and going the same route as you (tape playback to RCA to USB).
I'm also interested in pic related, I think you can shoot directly to the mini SD in it, or you can playback into the mini SD.

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How do I learn framing and subject selection and "visual storytelling" and symbolism and and *sobs*

>>4386868
Simply watch all the movies.

Also there's a very decent learning portion on this thread's OP.

>>4386868
Can’t. You either got it or you don’t.

>>4386868
look at some fucking art you pleb

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>>4386868
You gotta make a lot of shitty videos to learn, thinking about making them won't be the same

>>4386868
Watch films
Read about films
Make films

Bonus: explore other art forms such as music and literature

>>4386868
Innate talent or psychedelic drugs. Choose one.

>>4387114
>before shrooms: normal person
>after shrooms: autistic, only post photos on desktop, only post text on phone, have to wash my hands twice every time i touch a garbage can, fucked a hooker and hallucinated my mother in a flashback while orgasming, linguistic ability took a shit, score genius levels when shape rotating and doing math only
Don’t do drugs

>>4387119
Jesus. Shrooms have given me life-altering positive thoughts and motivation, even when I have bad trips I come out with appreciation

>>4387144
Most people who do shrooms develop schizophrenia. Schedule 1 is for a reason sometimes, it was only nonsense with pot (a boring anti-nausea drug) because it was seen as a way to jail more nonwhites.

Psychs are potential precursors to more precise and clinically useful mind altering substances but neither should really be used.

>>4387151
>Most people who do shrooms develop schizophrenia
Gonna need a source on that one

>>4387154
Have you eve watched Psycho by Alfred Hitchcock?

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I just bought a "non-working/as-is" Atomos Ninja Blade for $70 USD. I plugged it in and it works. It also came with 2x 500GB SSDs.
Is it any good in 2024 or should I sell and upgrade to something else?

>>4387165
Can your camera make use of something more advanced? Can your skills do so? In other words, would you benefit from an upgrade somehow?

>>4387168
I shoot mostly 1080p for YT. I have a small, 1k subs, YT channel so I had Atomos in my notifications list for sales. I've been thinking about 4K but no one on YT has ever complained to me about video quality so far. I think getting focus right is way more important than 4k. And of course audio is like 60% of it.
Would moving to 4k bring me more subs and revenue? I seriously doubt it. But what the fuck do I know... I'm a super-small, super-niche, video maker. Am I wrong?
I'll try to learn how to put it into my workflow.

>>4387173
Generally speaking one should get gear if one keeps finding his current gear to be limiting, rather than buy gear for gear's sake. Use it, find out if it's lacking and if it is, get something better. Or list it for a hefty amount in case it gets sold and you can get something better at next to no expense. Don't just consoom for no real benefit.

>>4387173
Upres your videos to 4K and upload that, you’ll get better bitrate

>>4387181
>Don't just consoom for no real benefit
I fully agree. I've been wanting to get Atomos so I don't have to deal with SD cards and I wanted to be able to record from HDMI. I really wanted Ninja V but I haven't seen one for sale close by for 6+ months. Anyway, Blade seems nice and for $70, how can I complain?
>>4387186
>Upres your videos to 4K and upload that, you’ll get better bitrate
Thanks fren. Excellent idea!

You know, I've seen 5K videos on YT and many look like shit. My 1080p blows them out of the water. I presume they're out of GoPros or action cams. Absolute garbage. 1440p looks better than 5K out of those cameras.

I'm getting confused and need help. If I want to record at 30fps with an aperture of 2.8-5.6 in midday, what ND should I go with? ND32? ND64?

>>4387264
Sounds like 1/60th ss, f5.6 would be tfive or four stops ND, so try an ND32 I reckon. Depends entirely on the shot exposure though so maybe a cheap VND would make more sense to get a feel

>>4387264
a lot, but depends on shutter speed/angle, if you go too cheap you might get color casting

>>4383489
philippines?

>>4387278
All VNDs give a color cast. You have to white balance after putting one on. However with cheap ones this color cast may change at different stops. Poorly designed VNDs that have no hard stops or overly optimistic ND range (e.g. 1-9) also have problems with the X pattern. So if you can't afford to spend $200 or more on a VND, then it's better getting separate NDs.

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>>4383164
>Open YT
>Click on some random ass video
>See this
FAKİRE AM VERMİŞLER TAŞAKLARINI DA SOKMUS.
Why do they do this? Why blast the aperture to max no matter what. Can't read shit, but oh my god the bokeh! Think of the bokeh!
I'm not saying people need to film B-roll at f/22 (even though they should), but why do they push it this far? We're literally trying to grasp the item that's being shilled for, not getting in the mood to fuck a flower.

>>4387329
Personally after looking at tests and researching I decided to say fuck VND and just get a few separate ones. Better quality, more accurate, I’m rarely shooting outside at 2pm anyway.

Davinci is on sale, anyone who hasn’t bought it yet should scoop it right now.
Almost pulled the trigger on the micro color panel that’s on sale too, but I’ve already decided on other shit to spend my holiday bucks on

>>4387334
They want to get low noise without high key lighting so they abuse the toneh

>>4387400
Behold, the brainrot brought on by constantly losing sensor size arguments. No, it's not noise. No one can fucking see noise in video until crazy ISOs unless its line skipped trash. Oversampled 4k is good for f8 1/60 in most conditions especially controlled ones. Actually need an ND64 a lot of the time to keep it away from f16 and f22.

They use bokeh because it is fashionable and cool looking.

>>4387329
it doesn't have to be variable to color cast, i've seen it pretty bad from stacking. i use a set of irnds now.

>>4387467
>Stacking fixed NDs can colour cast
Fuck, seriously? I will stack two ND8's at most, but I thought it was the polarising of VNDs that caused it

EARTHROCKER HERE

>>4386868
absolutely do not follow any of what the guys said.
You can watch films (rather elect to watch both great and terrible films) Don't overdo it and absolutely do not learn from those films.
Watching these films should now allow you to THINK. Then read, a lot. And think.
Since we're on /p/, questions that relate to animation doesn't matter here.
Use your camera to oserve, and one way or another, turn that camera into your eye. Whatever that means. If there was a thing to train its your sensitivity. But thats a (you) problem.
Watch things with your camera and make it say what you say, in your tone, your color, your singing voice, your pen.

>>4387527
>>4386868
forgot the number one tip
LIVE LIFE

>>4387453
When you don't know how to light you get noise, it's a reality. Why do you think the 5D2 boosted indie cinema in the late 00s? It wasn't just the full HD resolution, it was the large sensor allowing one to bokehwhore his way into a clean image. It also allowed one to bokehwhore his way out of proper set design.

>>4387491
i think if the fixed ones are too cheap it's the problem, i've pushed the limits doing long exposures and other weird things

>>4387557
I'm yet to do the obligatory long exposure waterfall, so I'll probably find out 6 ND stops isn't enough and start stacking shit then find what you're talking about.

>>4387529
Why didn’t you tell me this tip sooner?! I’m dead and now I can’t learn framing.

>>4387265
>>4387278
Thanks, I will be using 1/60th. I'm just looking to figure out the minimum ND number I should go with (probably ND32 then?).

>>4387329
I'm looking at a Hoya Variable ND at the moment, I won't be cheaping out within reason.

>>4385399
If it's lit correct, correct wb, with a natural color scheme and you don't push too much, you'll probably be fine. I think underexposed and poor contrast lighting is the most important limitations to 8bit on set.

>>4387186
>>4387187
I researched upload quality. 4k does chang yt streaming quality, but 265 even significantly more so. I would assume av1 as well.

>>4387677
>I researched upload quality. 4k does chang yt streaming quality, but 265 even significantly more so. I would assume av1 as well.
So... uploading as H.265 is the key?

>>4387677
>>4387684
I remember reading/hearing ProRes 422 got better YouTube quality. Haven’t done tests personally, no clue if true

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>>4387677
I found this page: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1722171?hl=en#zippy=%2Cbitrate
It basically confirms what we've discussed above and it shows that 1080p is capped at 12 Mbps, 1440p at 24 Mbps and 4K at 53–68 Mbps.
So just upscaling to 1440p doubles the bitrate! Crazy.
I couldn't find any information about the impact of video formats on YT encoding but I think it's probably significant since H.265 will always produce lower bitrate videos than H.264.
Assuming that YT will process and re-encode every video (even those encoded with AV1/vp9/h.264) you're much better off uploading videos in codecs with least compression and highest bitrate and then letting YT reduce it to whatever they want.

Anyone have any suggestions on how to upscale 1080p to 4K? What produces the best results and doesn't take days of processing to do?

>>4387742
Hey good find anon!
As for upscaling to 4k, literally any nle should let you do that. Just change your timeline resolution, scale your video appropriately (zoom in), and then choose 4k as your render resolution

>>4387743
>As for upscaling to 4k, literally any nle should let you do that. Just change your timeline resolution, scale your video appropriately (zoom in), and then choose 4k as your render resolution
I know that but that that won't increase your bitrate by much. There are also AI-based upscalers which is what I'll look into.

>>4387742
i just edit on a 4k timeline and export at 4k auto settings in resolve, does the job. been doing it for years now

>>4387660
there are a bunch of vnd comparisons on youtube, but they are youtube video quality
>>4387748
you can do this in ffmpeg, but be prepared to read

You guys ever use one of those Sekonic light meters? Better to just use false color now a days?

>>4387989

Yes. Sekonic L-308X-U and Sekonic L-858D-U. 308 I used mostly in school, I still use it nowadays but mostly for analog photography. For cinematography I use Sekonic L-858D-U. I wish I had the previous version that doesn't have touch controls, I've been trying to find one for a good price.

Meters are still useful. Quicker to communicate accurate contrast ratios to gaffer and rest of the lighting team. Very handy for scouts and recces to get at least some references for ambience light levels in locations. Also helps tremendously when pre-lighting, you don't necessarily have the camera there during pre-lighting, in which case the meter helps a lot.

>>4387993
Makes sense, thanks info.

>>4387684
>>4387698
>>4387742
This is where I got the info. It's a bit pixel peeping, but the compression artifacts are significantly less at 265. Obligatory /vid/ statement: content is king, story matters most.

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>>4388008
>Obligatory /vid/ statement: content is king, story matters most.
.. and audio matters more than video.

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>>4388012
b-b-b-but audio equipment isn't a seccy as a beeg video camera with tonnes of useless accessories and shit that make me look like a pro as I larp around town following women while being adamant I'm with the local news doing a segment on dried-up hoes.

>>4388012
If /vid/ is the terminator, who's the little girl? Audio?

>>4388119
The little girl would be the vloggers on YouTube who think they know it all!

>>4388119
she just blew all her money on a new hybrid camera body, has no peripherals or audio and mounted the cheapest lens you can find

>>4388040
no, rather

live audio isnt necessary to make a film.

>>4388119
people with shitty lenses and people who can't pull focus.

>plotfags have invaded /vid/

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>>4388196
Accurate

>>4388196
It’s the reverse honestly. You can’t talk about filmmaking on /film/- they immediately demand you post everything you’ve ever filmed and ridicule it to shreds or attempt to belittle you if you refuse to dox yourself.

Any of you use any of the recent MacBooks for editing on the go? I'm thinking about getting one and wondering how it would fare

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>>4388225
You think this is better?
>>4388206
I inherently like the idea of /vid/ being superior to /film/ but also we do kind of exist hoping they don't find us...

>>4388363
I've been /film//vid/ all along baby

>>4388363
I post in both. Here is better simply because the level of schizo posting isn’t tolerated. The filmmaker side of me is more interested in learning and discussing in a calm fashion, rather than the cinephile side more interested in just finding recs and shitting on people’s taste

>>4388376
>learning and discussing in a calm fashion
That's what /film/ was, it just got kidnapped by hipsters

>other companies: I know we've been giving our users features like log picture profiles and high bitrate codecs included with the price of the camera, but is there some way we can stop doing that and charge extra for those features?
>blackmagic: lol we've decided to permanently halve the price of our cloud storage features and this will automatically apply to existing customers who don't need to do anything
Is it me or does blackmagic genuinely seem to be the only company that actively wants to support their customers?

>>4388492
I still don’t understand how they do it. I keep waiting for the eventual year they turn evil but they refuse to.

>>4388516
I am betting blackmagic is run by filmmakers and that is the reason why they are refusing to turn evil.

>>4388516
New CEO or ownership group. It's obvious Blackmagic maximizing their potential value.

>>4388596
They've been like this for over a decade though.
They were the first company to make an affordable "cinema" camera that "officially" shot internal raw after they saw the attention the canon 5d2/3 were getting with magic lantern. And then they made it half price for a month (it was already very cheap for what it was).
Resolve has been free for just as long and the free version retains the most important features such that a lot of people will never see a need to upgrade. And then they've always given the studio version away with every camera they make.

My theory is that they did the maths and realised that arri and red can't withstand the test of time and that hybrids/cheaper cameras were the future, so they want to be the king of that future. And the best way to ensure that domination is to get early adoption amongst up and coming filmmakers.
And they've been proven right with red going bankrupt and selling to nikon. I'd wager that arri's finances aren't as solid as one might otherwise assume. I think putting arri logc on the gh7 was due to arri pushing it, not panasonic.

>>4388598
Arri is more about camera rentals not camera sales.

>>4388605
Like all companies, they're ultimately trying to maximise profits though. And I'm pretty certain that you'd find that canon and sony both make leagues more money from their camera sales and rentals than arri does.
I suspect that blackmagic would also have a greater revenue.

>>4388610
Well "maximize profits" goes to shit when it becomes "maximize short term profits at the expense of everything and all time", when companies sell off their future & excitedly flush their user base down the shitter trying to grab every last dollar on the magical money tree today. BM seems to be one of those companies that isn't so desperate to wax their shareholders cocks that they'll make terrible user-hostile product and business decisions that cost them their user base, like fucking Apple, who is so big and locked in culturally they can fuck up whatever they want an it doesn't matter, bc 20 million new students per year don't care, they just want the shiny apple logo so they'll be socially acceptable by the hot rich girls that everybody wants to bang, and the cute logo is literally all that fucking matters.

Okay /vid/, give it to me straight, are the lift-off film festivals a fucking scam or is there any "merit" to them?
(ie do they actually have proper screenings from blind-submitted films, and do they provide any sort of networking?)

Blackmagic's quality control is bad, especially on the cheaper cameras. They have had to cut corners to make those cameras as cheap as they are.

How are BLACKED scenes lit? Gonna do some shooting and need to mimic it.

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>>4388945
Was hoping for an industry term

>>4388951
high key lighting? just get lots of big sources and put big diffusion nets on them

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Frens, does anyone have some advice on using stock video/image sites? I'm making a vid for YT and need some generic "techie" footage (animated backgrounds, vids of computers, etc). Does anyone know which stock sites are worth paying for? Are free ones legit or will they come after you for copyright violation at some point?

Anything that shoots good looking 4k and doesn't overheat in ambient temps for under 1300? Also has viewfinder?

>>4388978
>Are free ones legit or will they come after you for copyright violation at some point?
Dunno about video, but I’ve used a ridiculous number of sound effects illegally and absolutely nothing has happened. Now, they’ve all been manipulated and layered ofcourse, nothing super obvious like a single unedited sound of a spring bounce, but yeah. Sorry for not helping.

>>4388992
Youtube's Content-ID matches stuff longer than 7-10 seconds now but it's always changing and the # of seconds keeps dropping. Just because shit didn't get matches now doesn't mean they won't match it in the future.

>>4388999
I know he’s talking about video clips, but good luck catching the 7 layers of ocean sounds I’ve added reverb and EQ to

How come the gh7 does internal raw? Is that not a red exclusive feature? Or is it some cheeky workaround that's not technically raw like how Blackmagic does it?

>>4389034
Nikon bought red. Before the sale was confirmed, red had sued nikon for infringing on their raw patent with n-raw and the case hadn't yet reached trial.
It's been laregely assumed that nikon would essentially toss the patent after the purchase since they knew it was bullshit. As far as I'm aware, the gh7 was the first camera to test this and confirm that nikon had no intention of trying to enforce such a dumbass patent.

>>4389040
Interesting, I was assuming Nikon would use the patent for themselves

>>4389040
>>4389043
All that means is Atomos will eventually have to completely rehaul their market strategy or die off.

>>4389058
Atomos' reliance on prores raw selling their products was already considerably weakened due to the inability to edit prores raw in resolve and due to blackmagic releasing their own video assist which allows external braw recording.
Internal raw appearing in some cameras won't make a huge difference to their bottom line I doubt. I think most people who buy them do so more for the external monitor and additional codecs in general (not just prores raw) that they can more easily record to their storage device of choice.

>>4389060
I'd be happy to get rid of my ninja and record internally
Wonder if Panasonic is gonna add this feature to the s1h with a firmware update or if they're gonna be kikes and save it for the mkii

>>4389062
The s1h came out like 5 years ago.
The mkii is being announced within the next 6 months. You'd be deluded to expect them to add it to a camera that old in a firmware update (and stupid if you think that they'd do it for free)
>I'd be happy to get rid of my ninja and record internally
There are so many cameras on the market that let you do this. Why go with a camera that doesn't if it's that important to you?

>>4389065
I didn't say for free
And actually I'm more interested in the capability to record onto ssd than the raw, that's just a bonus

Man
Shot over 100 hours of footage over 5 years
Having to edit this down to under 2 hours is a bitch
Not just in terms of effort but in terms discarding all these good shots that so much effort went into

>>4389300
what is the project fren? sounds interesting

>>4389300
Why don’t you use some of the extra footage to make other stuff if it’s that good?84tagr

>>4389300
>Shot over 100 hours of footage over 5 years
Jesus... what was it about? A documentary or something? Does it have some commercial value? Anyway, impressive af.

>>4389300
>Shot over 100 hours of footage over 5 years
how much is that in rack zooms?

>>4389336
>>4389381
I'm >>4384437 so don't want to say anything more lest I dox myself
>>4389354
I may well do that, there's enough stuff here for several different films
>>4389399
None

>>4389408
>there's enough stuff here for several different films
Do this. I have friends in sociology research field, they do one study and then publish tons of papers off the single study for years afterwards. Don’t see the difference here, so fuck it.

Thinking about getting the Accsoon Cineview Nano- just need something to wirelessly send video to phones/ipad for quick and easy monitor to glance at while standing away from the camera. Don’t need high quality, low latency, etc. Currently only $99
Anyone use this before? Any other cheap recs instead?

are any of the canon eos's good enough for video

>>4389408
>don't want to say anything more lest I dox myself
OH NOES! You've said some extremely controversial things in that post, anon. If anyone finds out your identity, you'll be cancelled and banned from IG/FB/TikTok for sure!
FFS, it's not like we're asking for you name. How is divulging the subject of your docu gonna cause anything to you?? Some people are scared of their own shadow.

>>4389626
Better safe than sorry anon
In case you're not aware, people in the film industry are turbo liberals
Just having your name associated with the evil nazi pedo site that is 4chan could cause problems

>>4389626
>>4389627
Yeah, I’m an “unknown” filmmaker but I’d never post my shit or associate myself here. I know in reality the worst thing would probably be a few posts here saying “oh yeah I think x filmmaker has posted here a few times” but agree with better safe than sorry
Are there examples of anyone’s career getting destroyed because they were proven to be a 4chan user?

>>4389627
>>4389628
You're delusional af bro. It's impossible to find anything anymore due to all the LLM spam. And how the fuck would someone prove it's you anyway???
I'm Elon Musk btw.

>>4389636
Hi, it's Zuckermuck, I'd love to blow you

Is investing on a smartphone for cheap camera video still a meme?

>>4389678
I mean smartphones do have decent quality now an iPhones shoot ProRes video in log, but for the price of that iPhone you can get a compact camera that will still shoot better video and have interchangeable lenses

>>4389626
>implying there aren't autistic weirdoes who will spam the comment section of your youtube videos at best, and literally send you death threats if they're having a bad day
Wew lad

>>4389626
lmao this board alone has doxxed many a foolish anon

>>4389728
Delusional af. Do you ever leave your apartment?
>>4389736
>many
Post proofs then! Just one will do.

>>4389742
>he doesnt know about the systematic harassment and doxing of tom and tim by colin

>>4389742
use the archive faggot

Price being equal (800$), S1 or S5.
Or the GH5 got anything on them, still?

>>4389856
Looking at the build/EVF I seem to prefer the s1, but the s5 has the variable frame rate control, and cheaper is always better, hence the gh5, albeit with less options to mount manual lenses/control light, I'm kind of vary of speedboosters/no dual gain, althought it still has the highest bitrates?
I think the s1 got ALL-I with a '22 update.
Also I vastly prefer a tilting to an articulating screen. Switching from a g85, if at all.
Thank for read.

just did my first storyboard LETS GOOOOOOOOOO
>manic mode GET

>>4389833
So the sauce is "pulled it out my ass".

>>4389874
i posted to warn people stupid enough to reveal personal details here, i owe you nothing.

>>4389874
>>4389885
Yeah…he asked for one single example and you gave nothing, so you lost here.
Only thing I can think of is Carruth supposedly posted on /tv/ a few times, but his career was already pretty much fucked for different reasons obviously lol

>>4389894
Not him but if you're such a newfag that you don't remember when Zach was literally a meme (less than a year ago), NEVER MIND the numerous previous examples, maybe shut the fuck up about what has and hasn't happened?
No one is required to dox themselves because you're throwing a newfag autistic tantrum.

>>4389895
>if you're such a newfag that you don't remember when Zach was literally a meme (less than a year ago)
I am a newfag lol

>>4389858
are you ready to replace all your lenses too? if you just have the kit then nvm

>>4389914
Ye, I much prefer manual lenses, actually, with the non-incremental aperture values.

Do GoPros have better image quality than iPhones or are they the same pretty much?

>>4389995
I have the hero 11 black, look pretty good but really depends on what you use it for.
if its recording in 4k stationary it overheats after about 30min, but when I use it on the motorbike its fine because of the moving air, if you are just gonna have it sit id use a iphone, but a gopro works better if you want to run with it, or as a crash cam (vs a new iphone)

>>4389869
How are these commonly done? Do you draw them yourself or is there a program out there that helps?

>alexa 265 announced
>literally just a mini alexa 65
>"ah great, arri are recognising the threat that blackmagic is posing with their upcoming ursa 17k and realise that the rental-only model is harmful to small-to-mid-size productions, as well as productions in "obscure" countries where there isn't an arri centre close by. They're upping their game finally"
>'will probably be rental only'
>"ah, nevermind"

>>4390105
>blackmagic is posing with their upcoming ursa 17k
Nah, my guess us Fujifilm's upcoming Eterna made them shit their pants.

>>4390106
I'm sure this is a shitpost, but if arri isn't worried about blackmagic then they're retarded.
The ursa 12k scores roughly the same as their alexa lf in dynamic range and exposure latitude (1 stop worse latitude, dynamic range the same), can shoot 12k and is also a fraction of the price. The 17k is the same sensor but medium format and still cheaper than an arri lf, nevermind the unpurchaseable alexa 65.

>>4390134
Of course they’re not worried about fucking Blackmagic, they’re not worried about any competition because they don’t see them as competition in the slightest

Got a Deity PR-2 for the 32 float and timecode, if I wanted to use it with a shotgun mic, what should I be looking at? It says it can do 5v line in.


>>4390106
lol alright buddy

>>4389995
worse but you can't jiggle an iphone like that and expect any good video

>finally ready to start shooting my short
>come down with a cold today
life is pain

I’ve got another Tsai-related surprise coming soon

>>4390818
Oh fuck, wrong thread, sorry gentlemen

>>4390134
>can shoot 12k
Yes, but not how one might think.
The Ursa 12K and 17K have a 6x6 RGBW filter instead of a 2x2 Bayer filter, so the massive resolutions are just compensation for that.

>>4391138
I mean it's literally 12k resolution and the image matches up to that with the detail you'd expect from 12k (and the 4k raw, using the full sensor width, is somehow more detailed than the 6k out of the pyxis).
So this sounds like a cope? Like you can explain why it's 12k all you want but it's not like a soft 12k or misleading in any way.

>>4391148
>I mean it's literally 12k resolution and the image matches up to that with the detail you'd expect from 12k
In terms of just the pixel count, yes, it's 12K. But because of the filter choice, the color information isn't up to what I expected when I first read "12K"
>and the image matches up to that with the detail you'd expect from 12k
The RGBW filter means it's not much better than a Bayer-filtered 8K camera. But who cares really, since that's enough resolution for anyone anyway. I'd gladly shoot with it.
>and the 4k raw, using the full sensor width, is somehow more detailed than the 6k out of the pyxis
Of course it is. Even with the 6x6 RGBW filter on the 12K, you can still get a full RGB 4K image out of it. The Pyxis obviously can't give you that.

>film festival offers me a discount
>uk based and low enough entry price
>interested
>no reviews
>red flag 1
>look up films that have previously aired
>NONE of them have any internet presence at all, can't find any proof that they exist outside of the festival website
>red flag 2
>site has option to buy tickets to the festival
>figure they must be showing something at the festival
>click on "buy now"
>button doesn't work or respond to me clicking on it
>sigh
Goddamn. Why are scam festivals a thing? This so fucking disheartening

>>4391343
Fucking ridiculous. I don’t even know how you’d investigate this or report it to the authorities. Maybe someone needs to make a documentary film on the topic and then submit the film to the very festivals they’re shining a light on.
The entire festival route has become a fucking delusional farce. Think I remember reading somewhere that a festival acceptance rate of 10% is great, and anything above that is mindblowingly fantastic.
Things are easier than they’ve ever been, while simultaneously being more difficult than they’ve ever been.

>>4391390
The problem is that even if filmfreeway cared (though don't because they get paid through commissions and are essentially complicit), there are too many festivals for them to possibly attempt to crack down on them.
I remember I submitted a short to a festival a few years back without realising it was a scam and they changed the submission dates and air date before the festival closed for entries and before I'd gotten a response. I complained about that to filmfreeway and they refunded me credit to my account which was better than nothing. But no sign they actually took any action against the pretend festival.

Filmfreeway needs a competitor that's properly curated. New festivals have to pay the website 100 bucks (only based in uk, us, can for now) to get on the site and then another 100 for their first screening to cover the travel costs of a representative coming out to view the festival and confirm that it's legit. Maybe do this again for their second year.
Limit entry prices to 40 bucks for features and 20 for shorts (for entries from the same country at least) while the festival is in this stage. Ban online festivals.
Because the real big problem is that all these scam festivals make it near impossible to find the (semi) good small local festivals that actually want to show new films (separate issue with how they choose their films but one problem at a time).

>>4391393
>then another 100 for their first screening to cover the travel costs of a representative coming out to view the festival and confirm that it's legit
lol not only would $100 not cover travel costs, but you’d have to have an entire fleet of employees who did nothing but constant travel. It’ll never work, it’ll never happen.
But I understand your intent and wish something could be feasibly done. Online-only streaming festivals have a place, but maybe provide an incentive for in-person location festivals over streaming? Eh fuck it yeah just ban them, I’m getting mad just thinking about it.

>>4391393
>Filmfreeway needs a competitor that's properly curated
What was the big one before filmfreeway that went under? I remember everyone used them and was weary of filmfreeway at first. But now they’re the only site everyone uses.
So yeah, all it takes is a competitor to get started and slowly gain credibility.

>>4391449
It was WithoutABox. Owned by IMDB, I remember alot of the time simply submitting to certain festivals guaranteed you’d automatically get an IMDB page generated for your film

>>4391343
it's not a problem when you submit to festivals you've attended. you go to film festivals right?

>>4391502
>being able to attend festivals around the world when fests don’t provide travel compensation
kek good one

>>4391522
why do you expect anyone to care about your work when you don't even care?

>>4391525
The film’s quality is still the same whether a filmmaker is standing in the room or not

>>4391526
you're avoiding the question, you're a musician too lazy to walk to the gig

>>4391528
Yep, damn you got me!!

How easy it is to go from a 30 year old virgin NEET to land a job on set?

Nobody cares about photography so do you guys think that it is a good idea to try your luck at film?

>>4391529
you bong doomers are something else

>>4391530
Start for free as a PA, find a group on set that you think you’d enjoy being a part of (lighting, sound, camera, costume/makeup, etc), volunteer even more free time/energy to whatever they need done, slowly work your way up

>>4391522
I think the anon meant local or regional festivals near him because it should be easier to get a film in those festivals without knowing somebody. Not international ones.

>>4391531
Do you travel to every festival first before submitting? Do you travel to every festival your films are accepted to? Just you or do you bring producer, lead actor? How many fests per year? What are the typical costs associated with this?

>>4391533
I have lots of knowledge(aesthetic not technical) about photography. What jobs I can expect in camera crew?

>>4391530
If you want to work on a student or amateur film as easy as fuck.

If you want to get on the set of a Hollywood film or a film with a level actors or famous people very fucking hard.

>>4391534
I know he was trolling, but that was my point- not every filmmaker has a badass local film festival to submit and attend. Most people submit to fests outside of their area, making attending costly/time consuming (remember, he recommended attending a fest BEFORE even submitting). You can roll these costs into your films budget and many do, but for those filmmakers operating in low budget/micro budget filmmaking, this is not possible.

>>4391537
I just want to survive financially(don't care much about money) while understanding the production process. The goal is to become an indie director.

>>4391536
>knowledge(aesthetic not technical)
Learn the technical, you’ll get your ass handed to you quickly

>>4391538
>remember, he recommended attending a fest BEFORE even submitting
no, what i am asking is how is it you are submitting films without ever having gone to anything, even just for personal enjoyment? that's the mindset issue

>>4391540
Oh shit

From where I should start? Any book recommendations or courses? I am one of the biggest antigearfag on /p/ee...

>>4391541
Yep, damn we just need the right mindset!!

>>4391541
bruh i only care about my film. i don't give a damn about contemporary filmmaking. let other nerds care bout that shi

>>4391546
No, you must attend every festival within an 8 hour drive and watch every film that’s been programmed. This is a mindset issue.