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I don't want to discriminate against those who aren't white and I love my country..

This is why I can't be a full NatSoc autist, what people don't understand is the the left enable all of the minorities to run riot..

Think about it, in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem because the left were not a problem.
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it’s easy to be civnat because you can mask your problematic views. back then it was just a weak centrist crutch to not upset mainstream racist conservatives. it’s even easier now to be one than when they were litterally 1-3% pf the population.

it’s useless for today’s problems.
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>>189009585
They would be fine under a dictatorship, the left enables them
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>>189009400
Being a CivicNat is great, I surround myself with like minded people, regardless of race, and we talk about making our country great. All and all, conservative polices would mostly benefit whites and slowing immigration would bolster the recovery of the white demographic. CivicNat is almost inadvertently EthnoNat, if the right policies are applied. I would be completely satisfied with living in a majority white county as opposed to a completely white county so long as the majority of people are patriotic and care about their fellow American.

>HURRR DDEERRR WOULD YOU RATHER LIVE IN A FULL BLACK COUNTY OR WHITE ONE!!
It's never going to be full black, that's a ridiculous scenario. Nothing would enable blacks to completely eclipse the white population. Even so, would YOU rather live in a completely degenerate (legal pedophila, rampant drug use, transgenders and homosexuals everywhere, men are 3rd class citizens, etc...) white nation or a wholesome majority black nation? If you call this scenario ridiculous than I can say the same of yours. Civic Nationalism is not going to lead to white genocide, in fact it may very well prevent it.
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>>189009400

Then how do you address, say, Welsh, Scottish or Irish nationalists who want no part in your civic identity?
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Tell me more. Am I excluded if I hold transhumanist views?

(read: Improve human condition through genetic engineering and cybernetics, not tranny shit.)
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>>189009400
Clearly ethno nationalism is stupid. Europe was mostly white for a long time and it's exploding into flames. Yes you can say "because nonwhites", but who is begging for these people? Europeans.

Rome had civic nationalism. That's how the Byzantine Empire genuinely believed itself to be the successor state. Because people care about ideas and virtues, that's how you build an empire, not on skin color brainlet autism. Again, all white nations are trash, the 21st century shows you what happens, this is a feature not a bug. Japan is going to be a ghost nation, China is inhuman. Homogenous nations are trash and breed trash.

Which is why we shouldn't accept refuges. They come from homogenous nations of trash. Stop importing people, America is full. We don't want more Eurocucks or what else. Work with what you've got, worth things out. Civic isolationist nationalism.
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>>189009400
Thinking you can trust your own race is bluepilled
The only ones you can trust are those who value your culture
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>>189009400
>in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem because the left were not a problem.
What?

40s were practically full out war time so all other problems were kinda under the rug.

But 50s were full blown start of the Civil Rights Movement:

1951 — assassination of Harry T. Moore.
1954 — Brown v Board of Education
1955 — Emmett Till's murder
1955 — Rosa Parks and the Montgomery Bus Boycott
1957 — Desegregation of the Little Rock Central High School with fucking national guard and shit
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Civic nationalism is dumb not by idea but practicality. Even if you're a fence-sitter recognise that you're not going to achieve anything as a moderate today so pick a hard side and stick to it. Work to your way from there
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fuck off proto-globalist.
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>>189009400
mongrel detected, back to south africa
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>>189014348
Wow awesome argument fellow NPC
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>>189009400
I can get behind CivNat 100% with strictly enforced assimilation, both legally and socially
>English as the only official language, must speak English to receive government services, education institutions that get tax dollars must teach in English exclusively, exc.
>enforce borders, ship out illegals, obviously
>only citizens born here are allowed to vote
>no welfare, period
>any firm that hires illegal immigrants must have their assets seized and management arrested for violating the law
If we do these things as well as aggressively dismantle the propaganda engine, and replace it with pro-natalism, pro nationalism, and voluntary eugenics, we’ll be well on our way toward a CivNat that isn’t just cucking out. This is all basic shit but it’s not what we’re doing, we talk about standards and boundaries but we walk it back at the slightest pushback. We know that self-deportation works. We know we have the right to control immigration and enforce our borders however we damn-well please. Don’t rail against assimilation as a concept when the left has been rigorously dismantling it for the last 70 years. Germans and Italians assimilated because of the environmental pressure, we want that environmental pressure back because struggle breeds strength, and the weak will deport themselves.
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>>189009400
Civic nationalism works best when you have very few minorities.
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But who would fuck the white women without minorities?
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>>189014868
Fuck up you filthy slanty, civic nationalism is for unironic plebbitors who are too scared to accept reality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>/plebbit/
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>>189009400
Civic nationalism never works because of demographics. Either you constantly cull minorities or civic nationalism is doomed to fail over and over again
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>>189014926
>no welfare, period
Fundamental flaw with you civtards. You just have complete abandonment for the downtrodden countrymen of your nation. You scum would probably steal the pennies off a dead man's eyes
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>>189014868
you're a literal flip that's trying to tell us to take people like you in because you're all oh so productive and we're oh so destructive. I need no arguments. You just need a bullet to the head.
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I hate nationalism, it has confined western man to these pitiful little borders. Fuck your little national self-determination, the world moves under empires.

I'm a civic imperialist. Spengler was right we need EMPIRE, not the Anglo model of government.
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>>189015173
Sick cunt
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>>189009400
You need to fuck off back to Pakistan. This is not your country. We are not your countrymen.
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>>189011189
>Rome had civic nationalism.
It never did until the last stages. The republic mostly involved italic people and Greeks. When it became a civic empire coupled with increasing minorities it's when it fell. Your own example disproves the validity of civic nationalism
>but white people are the ones inviting shitskins
Sure, leftism is a problem. This doesn't however mean that a homogenous Europe isn't far better than a mutt one. No one claims whites are perfect uncorruptible gods. Some are leftist idiots and just as bad as the minorities they import
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>>189015146
With CIvnat, you have to carefully craft laws in order to not disproportiately benefit minorities.
You also need to suppress subcultures while mellowing down all values of the leading culture.
this is why it cannot work
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>>189010593
Good point on the second paragraph, people on the internet believe their political utopia is beyond corruption. Even here in /pol/, natsoc is painted as a one-fits-all flawless solution.
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Civic nationalism can only work in places such as Italy, where state fascism is the manifestation of the nation, not ethnic fascism (Germany).
And I'm not talking about "racially diverse" countries either, such as Bulgarian where there's Bulgarians with Aryan features and """Bulgarian""" gypsies. Im talking about countries where national identity is shared among different ethnic groups.
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>>189015386
it is a flawless solution
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>>189015146
Im an ethnonat and i don’t believe in outright welfare either. I would be inclined to allow for government assistance for those who have signed on to a job search program which involves searching for some form of permanent or semi-permanent employment in the private sector. They would receive some form of a parole officer which would visit them daily or at least 3 times a weak, to ensure they’re allocating the resources correctly and for need rather than want, and that they’re searching for employment. Outright giving money to people who may or may not be lazy is moronic famalam.
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OP, i've been trying to explain that to them, but /pol/ is full of stupid underage kids that don't want to understand that you should keep the 2% actually useful immigrants. You also need to keep borders open to trade and information.

You actually just need to be harsher with punishment. I actually advocate for death penalty world wide again.
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>>189015392
You mean like the US before obama? People that grew up after 9/11 should be banned from politics
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>>189015494
Which is why it will fail if contructed. Fanatics can't be critic.
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>>189009400
In the 40s and 50s, minorities weren’t a problem because they were like >5% of the population. If they were still that small of a percent they wouldn’t really be a problem, but we’re almost to the point now where they’re going to outnumber us within our lifetimes. And when this happens things are going to get VERY bad in this country. Just look at anywhere where non-whites are a majority... that is what your nation will be like in less than 40 years. So be a civic nationalist if you want to be led down the path of ruin by shitskins but if you like the living standards of the first world, ethnonationalism will be the only way to hold onto them
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>>189015708
>it is flawless which is why it will fail
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>>189010593
This. CivNat and WhiteNat have common, almost 1:1 solutions to these problems. The difference being WN doesn’t care about whether or not a nonwhite person deserves to be evicted from their homeland, to them it doesn’t matter that they’re countrymen because they’re a different race. And then they wonder why people who are otherwise decent and patriotic resent them.

>>189010753
Eugenics is what we want, so transhumanism has something to offer. I don’t know if it’s through and through based because megacorps are bluepilled.

>>189015146
>you just hate poor white people!!
Absolutely wrong; I acknowledge that they’ve fallen for vice, and this culture consumes men by feeding their vices. They will never abandon those vices or become stronger, more whole men without environmental pressure. Welfare is a slippery slope that simply shouldn’t exist, it’s not fun to be on welfare, it’s hard to get off of it. Do you really want your countrymen to be perpetual serfs like that?
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>>189015573
What of the disabled? What of the veterans who had their legs blown off in war? What of the terminally ill? The sick? You're part of the problem and you're a detriment to the race.
>I-I don't want to waste my disposable sheckles on those who need it t-that would be silly!
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>>189015325
Based frog.
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>>189015713
Explain Scandinavian countries like sweden then ? Explain pre ww2 germany when the left were psychos. Or spain pre civil war.
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>>189015758
Not what i am saying at all. No system made by man is flawless. To deny that is foolish.
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>>189015840
I was talking about unemployment benefits you fucking moron.
Disabilities should only be payed out to those who truly need them, such as Veterans. Disabled people who were born disabled, especially mentally disabled, should not be incentivized to exist, especially considering that they have nothing to add to the gene pool.
The sick should have to pay for their own insurance, they should learn to be strong. Veterans would refuse government healthcare as they actually paid into the system with their lives.
The whole point of National Socialism is to foment strength. The promotion of lazyness and government subsidizing lazyness is antithetical to National Socialism, it is the promotion of weakness, you should promote a strong nation, not a nation of people who cannot fend for themselves when they absolutely must.
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>>189015980
Yeah, look at sweden: it’s basically West Syria. That’s coming to the entire world, no white nation is safe
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>>189016075
National Socialism is not made by man. It is absolute adherence to the laws of nature.
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>>189016117
>Veterans would receive
Fixed
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>>189009400
They have been a problem from the start. Remember the suit suit riots?
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>>189015700
Yeah. Civic nationalism can work when different ethnicity groups hold on to their identities
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>>189015966
I'm Italian but have a French carrier that gives a French IP. Sorry Jean-Luc
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>>189016159
I really have trouble believing that, had humanity truly known what the laws of nature were, we wouldn't be in the mess that is CURRENT YEAR. Ah well, not shitting on you or anyone, just cynical about it.
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>>189009400
The reason why civ nat is superior is because it can realistically be achieved. Ethnic nationists can't get any victories. They're losers as their ideology can't adapt to the environment due to its excessive utopian ideals. Its not like homogeneous nations can't work. Its that achieving it in the West is absolutely delusional. You can formulate and hypothesize how your ideology would work in power, but doing so is meaningless without any way of achieving significant power. An ideology's success is innately determined by its ability to take power and maintain it via sufficient support. Ethnic nats don't have that ability anymore. Often e. Nats. make assumptions on whites. In what they secretly widely believe and how they will widely act in regards to race.
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>>189015980
whats to explain of sweden?
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White people are the only group of people who are afraid of taking their own side
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>>189009400
Why not just peaceful ethnonationalism?
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>>189016437
we're in this mess specifically because humanity rejected that adherence to the laws of nature
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>>189016481
Yeah it's probably more delusional to think that non-whites will ever want to join forces with white people lmao.
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>>189009400
No, you don't get it
Civic nationalism is when your send back everyone to their respective countries so that they can rebuild their own nation, and if their government is too corrupt to do so then it's time to bomb it
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>>189016481
>can't get any victories
>>>>>>>>>>>>/plebbit/
Shoo shoo smelly joo
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>>189016481
Considering that Republicans can still win national elected office even though theyre in America, the darkest Western nation by a large margin is proof ethnic nationalism can work in the West. All minorites vote Democrat consistently in every election in every state. The republican party is pretty much a White ethnic party and even with leftist asleep Whites and Jews voting Democrats the Republicans can still carry enough White votes to win the Presidency and both Houses of Congress. There are enough White voters to win even on an ethnic nationalist platform.
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>>189016595
The rejection is adherence is the laws of nature. The laws of nature simply dictate that if someone can't adapt, they cannot reproduce. Only that which survives a given envionment survives and flourishes. Nat soc failed to adapt to the environment.
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>>189016481
>freedom of association
>sexual selection
>replace race-mixing globalist propaganda with pro-natalism and national identity rooted in European heritage
>defend borders and enforce immigration at all costs

White people naturally select their own when it’s time to raise a family.

>>189016650
There are more of us than you’d think. Most of us perceive that our homeland is under siege and that most of what we know and love and admire comes from the white side of our heritage. We were born into the western world, therefore we want to defend that world.
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>>189016892
t. knows absolutely jack fucking shit about natural law yet pretends to be an intellectual social darwinist
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>>189016918
Ah okay you're a non-white that explains why you're afraid of white nationalism. Here I thought you were a cucky MPCer
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>>189009400
>mfw i 90% agree with natsoc, but i'm civnat because i'm half caste
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>>189009400
>in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem

The mud races have been violent primitives since forever. It's just that your country didn't have enough of them to cause significant trouble and ours had sensible Jim Crow and segregation policies to insulate human civilization from their dysfunction.
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>>189017183
If you agreed with NatSoc you wouldn't have political views that fit in with your selfish desires and needs
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>>189016892
The introduction of The Fourth Polit. Theory expands on this idea. Interesting read.
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>>189017079
Took you long enough. Aren’t you WNs just able to “know” who’s white and who isn’t?
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>>189017263
Yes I can see your face through the internet
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>>189010593
>would you rather live next to Thomas Sowell or Ted Bundy, post
Averages exist
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Eventually all CivNats become NatSocs as they age and realize there is only one way.

>Think about it, in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem because the left were not a problem.

Because western states were already ethnically NatSoc in policy and population. Being NatSoc doesn't mean having 0 non-whites it means having a sane immigration policy that doesn't let your country become taken over through diversifying the will of your people away.
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>>189016650
I'd say that's it's more delusional to think that whites will ever form a large unified force against non-whites as the vast majority of them would cuck. They'd rather join forces with non-whites than against them en masse.

>>18901688
Whites also happen to make up the majority of democrats too. The republicans also rely on a significant margin of hispanics. At the same time, they also explicitly fight for extensive non-white interests too. This only goes to show that whites innately have a vested interest in appeasing non-whites even in parties that are significantly white. I'd go so far as to say that its widely biologically ingrained at this point.
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>>189009400
I'm libertarian that wants an ethno-nationalist state, not a fag NatSoc.
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>>189017392
So it’s about looks and not a deeper essence. Is that so?
I thought there was something spiritual going on.
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>>189009400
Civic Nationalism is inherently NPC thinking.
>Look at this based minority! Ignore the fact there’s one hundred leftist ones in his place
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>>189017580
>impossible to achieve
America/Canada :Balkanization is the only plausible way forward, I'll give you that.
Australia,NZ/Europe:close the borders deport every illegal, send refugees home after throwing some money at the dirt hill they come from, and deport non European immigrants who commit serious violent crime. Promote pro natal policies. Done. Especially in Eastern Europe this could be done tomorrow and the people would love whoever did it.
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>>189017669
>im a lolbergtardian
>wants an ethno-state
lmao
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>>189017912
Balkanization is going to happen eventually. Not even Trump can save the US economically. It’s all going to come crashing down to the point this country will go bankrupt. America is basically the new Rome and will likely end that way. We have way too many barbarians.
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if civnat is a means to an end which is natsoc and niggers and chinks learn that it is best for every population to live amongst their own and there can be civnat cities and travel would of course be allowed then its ok but civnat cant be the end, there will always be conflict among different races and ethnicities dating thousands of years so calming that as much as possible by living on different continents and countries is the best course of action for everyone
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>>189018054
Civic Nationalism will just give you Brazil with trump hats. The majority of nonwhites are leftist and will remain that way. No matter how many based ones leave the Democratic Party. They’ll just import thousands more in their place. Civic Nationalism is even more of a losing battle than Ethno-Nationalism.
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>>189018054
Yeah fuck those evil Nazis based niggers railing my daughter in Swedish Democrat hats will stop them all while I watch
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>>189009400
>in the 40s,50s,
in the 40s and 50s there were barely any of them in our countries and they were still a problem in the US, just a smaller one. the people who are pouring into the UK don't love your country. they want to fuck it. literally. they are there for the dole and English girl pussy. it makes me angry because my ancestors were Anglos who took the country I was born in at the tip of a sword. In Canada Anglos are CONSTANTLY shit on. we're responsible for every evil imaginable, we deserve to be stripped of any power we have and humiliated, we aren't allowed to object to the racial replacement of our people because "we're all immigrants, if you don't like living in a nation of immigrants why don't you go back to England? Besides the fact that we don't have a right of return any more (we used to by the way, Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, we used to be able to move freely between all of our sister-dominions and the UK) but even if we did go back England isn't the country our ancestors left any more. Look i'm gonna guess you're a working/middle class brit right? then take it from a colonial anglo when I tell you that these people do not think the way we do. they can't. they don't care about your ideals, they only care about their own group interests, and even the conservative one all relish the thought of a future Britain in which they are the majority. If my French conquering, Iroquois killing ancestors had known that removing themselves and their genes from the motherland would leave England so hopelessly undefended, I think they wouldn't have bothered building the biggest empire in world history. I shudder to think what they'd do If they could see what has become of the old country. Why do you think it is that only the non-white former colonies are allowed to emigrate en masse into Britain? Same reason Canada must embrace a "beige horizon". And it's they same for the other anglo nations.
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>>189014926
true assimilation would take generations. the more different a person is racially the harder it will be for them to assimilate. they may assimilate superficially after a few generations but they will always be viewed as a foreigner and also long as they are different you'll never have true assimilation.

civic nationalism is a meme unless immigration is completely stopped for at least 5 generations. a European immigration is 100% assimilated by the 2nd generation. for non whites it takes so much longer because lot more different culturally and racially.
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>>189009400
Maybe in your life you were friends with someone who wasn't white. Maybe you were smarter then them, more athletic, bigger dick, etc. But did that person try to get along? Did they do their job, pay taxes, try to be a good citizen and person? And you're comfortable with stabbing them in the back?
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>>189009400
Nationalism is about shared culture, its about feeling like your compatriot is just like you and that you are willing to sacrifice something for the good of the nation, the good of those who are just like you, and they are willing to do the same for you.
No matter how many values you share with someone, if they are a different race and have a wildly different phenotype from you, you will always have something between you. Our race, our phenotype, is the single most defining feature of ours.
So although you might have 'based minorities' they will always be a minority, and naturally they will identify more amongst themselves as they share not only values but skin colour.
Civic nationalism is a meme ideology and I am convinced that everyone on /pol/ who supports it is a shitskin.
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>>189014596
>calls someone an NPC
>invades an imageboard and can't even take enough time to learn it's culture
You have to go back.
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>>189019205
>Civic nationalism is a meme ideology and I am convinced that everyone on /pol/ who supports it is a shitskin.
yeah I wish that was the case because it would mean a significant amount of these people understand on a certain level the problem they're causing but if you ask me it's more likely these civnat shills are all or mostly just Sargon tier whites trying to appear morally superior and big brained
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>>189009400
>>189010593
>>189015611
You are all missing the essential point that is biology.
Other races are inferior and there is nothing you can do. They have lower average IQ, more disfavourable behavioural traits like aggressive and impulsive behaviour and aren't capable of delayed gratification as much as northern Europeans.
You may not notice the degradation at first but it's still there.
Egypt was a gigantic empire at some point but somewhere between the 9th and 13th century a lot of sub-Saharan blood mixed into the general population and now it's a shithole. The copts are somewhat closer to the original population of Egypt but they are a 10% minority.
Miscegenation is forever and irreversible and even small amounts can propagate and accumulate into a grave decline of favourable genes.
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>>189018967
I mean how long have you been on 4chan? You can't even assimilate to not posting like a reditor.
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>>189018004
The US can't go bankrupt. The US debt is in dollars and the US fully controls the dollar.
It is impossible to go bankrupt on a currency you control unless you do something unbelievably dumb.

It's possible to have an economic crisis though.
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>>189019403
muh leddit spacing. I love triggering faggots like you.

it's too much fun
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>>189019389
>Miscegenation is forever and irreversible and even small amounts can propagate and accumulate into a grave decline of favourable genes.
The even more extreme examples of this can be found in India and (hate to admit it but) Greece too.
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>>189019205
they know they will always be shitskins no meme ideology will ever change that.
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>>189019381
Exactly, civic nationalism is what got us in this mess in the first place.
We need a zero tolerance policy, no exceptions. Jews love pushing you down the slippery slope.
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>>189017912
I'll give you that eastern Europeans can do it except Russia. However, West Europe and Oceania will not achieve ethnic nationalism or become homogenously white. You mention specific actions that can be done when i power. My whole point is that achieving said power with a government that is anti-nonwhite is virtually impossible in the present and foreseeable future. If whites in the US identify only 49% Republican and 40% Democrat, what hope is there for the much more left-leaning euros amd oceania? You can get civ nats to slow the non-white demographical changes help whites a little, but removing the existing legal non-whites is never happening now or in the forceeable future. It could happen in the far future, but it becomes less likely over time as the demographics change.
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I never saw a picture of a black person just doing their job on /pol/, although I have irl
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>>189009400
White men 60-100 years ago who weren’t even nat soc would call you a traitor and beat you to death at the premise of sharing the civilization our ancestors built with niggers
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>>189018967
That’s what I was saying. CivNat would work if we were more strict about our standards, like immigration enforcement.
I’m hapa and personally disconnected from my Asian side completely. This place is all I know. I just want brotherhood and to kill commies when shtf, instead of being a paranoid loner destined to die alone anyway that shoots at everyone that doesn’t look like him.
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>>189009400
Country = soil + politics
Nation = soil + people
The US is a country but it is no longer a nation. Civic nationalism in itself is an oxymoron.
>muh natsoc
>muh pagan
Both are LARPs
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This is also why (a united) Europe cannot ever be a nation, it will always be a country same as the Soviet Union was.
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>>189009400
You are correct. Multiculturalism and minorities are simply a ricochet of people living immoral lives. Leashing out against minorities won't stop multiculturalism, only a change in lifestyle will
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>>189015980
Can't tell if you're trolling or not. Are you really trying to use Sweden as an example of what to strive for with civic nationalism? Have you seen their crime stats pre-"open the doors for africa" policy vs after? Last I checked there weren't hand grenades being thrown at their police when Sweden was majority ethnic Swedes.
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>>189019714
A zero policy could work if it had most people's support and could get in power. It doesn't since you can't get it. Why? Because the vast majority of whites hate it over minorities and their own race's purity. Jews can't do anything without some significant manner of whites to support it. Whites are the most multiculturally tolerant race on the planet. Its in their religion, their politics and philosophies, countries, empires, and even their genetics. It's biological. You can't change the the DNA of the racial population in a few generations.
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>>189009400
France is the Epitome of civcuckism.
Look at us...
take a big fucking look.
1488 faggot.
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>>189019640
>Lovecraft
I enjoy reading his rants.
I would disagree on India but I think Lovecraft had more of an insight into the real India than I do.
I'm not sure about Greece. I'm pretty sure they aren't the same people anymore that Euklid, Sophokles, Aristoteles and Euripides were. But there are some scientific results that claim the genetic drift hasn't been that large. I don't know.
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>>189020060
I'm okay with a hapa minority in my white country though. As long as it's not the norm and as long as the hapa is completely committed to his European side. this doesn't extend to mullatos and goblins though. have white have east Asians are alright as long as they favour the European side and don't try to agitate that we bring more people from their non white side. east Asians and whites are somewhat socially compatible, that's why i'd make an exception for white nationalist hapas. they are half white and their non white side aren't awful people generally. that said this exception would only extend to honestly devoted comrades who, through unfortunate circumstance, have been dropped into the world without a concrete identity. I don't want any more immigration from ANY non white countries however. we have a right to perpetuate our people and culture, just as the Japanese and Mongolians do.
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>>189009400
>Think about it, in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem because
there were practically no minorities (and they were also a problem)
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>>189020578
>A zero policy could work if it had most people's support and could get in power. It doesn't since you can't get it. Why? Because the vast majority of whites hate it over minorities and their own race's purity. Jews can't do anything without some significant manner of whites to support it. Whites are the most multiculturally tolerant race on the planet. Its in their religion, their politics and philosophies, countries, empires, and even their genetics. It's biological. You can't change the the DNA of the racial population in a few generations.
if any of what you just said was true than why didn't America and Europe, and Canada all get blacked a century ago? because we had laws that prohibited (or at the very least SEVERLY limited) non-white immigration. It is not in out biology to cuck ourselves, that's fucking ridiculous and honestly it really, really, make you look like demoralizing kike shill
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>>189020589
You don't even have nationalism. You have international cuckoldry. Whites in France have already biologically adapted toward voting in black cocks down their throats. That is why your country is shit. You're people support and vote them en masse. If thwy didn't, they would've went 1488 by now but they didn't, won't, and will nor due to be8ng biologically a cucked frog race
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>>189009400
Civic anti-nationalism is Globalism.
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>>189020827
>I'm pretty sure they aren't the same people anymore that Euklid, Sophokles, Aristoteles and Euripides were. But there are some scientific results that claim the genetic drift hasn't been that large. I don't know.
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>>189020383
Culture is group behavior.
Behavior is generic.

Multi-racialism is multi-culturalism.
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One of the myths of civnat is that they want open borders. This is not the case—they want people who have something to offer while completely assimilating as a citizen.

Citizenship along with national identity should transcend all barriers, and this is what scares the Marxist because they rely on race, sexuality, class, or gender to marginalize society for their pet causes. Civnats want to reject that kind of collectivism. And yes you can be aware of anti white racism without going full 1488.
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>>189021227

That pic makes literally zero sense.
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>>189021146
Civnat is historically born in France, mutt
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>>189021079
They already fucking blacked themselves. Who do you think imported and bought blacks into the Americas and Europe. The former whites bought them from white and Jewish slave traders. The latter flat out i.ported non-whites to ease incoporating them into the empires. Whites then due to their biology ended the slavery and made them into their equals with only Americans fighting over it indirectly. Then, they gave them all these benefits and privileges to them over other whites. Even with all of that, I'm saying that whites evolved biologically toward cucking their own race during that time. Even before that, they were already changing themselves biologically. A lot of it is a consequence of the multi-cultural aspect of Christianity (which famously features a man getting cucked by god and raising his wife's son)
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>>189016481
This is probably the main flaw of ethnonationalism.
Realistically, you're never gonna get the majority of whites to be radical and angry enough to wish to enforce a white racial state.

Charlottesvilles proved this. The white nationalists were seriously outnumbered there. It's like communism : Beautiful in theory, fails in practice.
CivNat inadvertedly advances the interests of the white race either way.
>but they'l outnumber us because muh birthrates
We can still reduce the minority population by subsidizing abortions, they do most of them so we can literally do a nonwhite genocide by getting them to kill their own babies
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>>189021746
Yet you don't have it now. When you had it, you had an empire. 88 came in and destroyed it. Now you have no means to control it. Why? Because white frogs are biologically too cucked to go full 1488.
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>>189021441
>Citizenship along with national identity should transcend all barriers, and this is what scares the Marxist because they rely on race, sexuality, class, or gender to marginalize society for their pet causes. Civnats want to reject that kind of collectivism. And yes you can be aware of anti white racism without going full 1488.
why should citizenship transcend race? what benefit is it to us, inheritors of our father's civilizations (and that's exactly what white men in western nations are) if we allow people of a different racial, religious and culturally background colonize our societies? What are we getting out of this? because you know it isn't a two way street right? you know if you go to India and try to fuck Indian girls they'll try to murder you right? you understand that none of these people who you seem convinced can assimilate into our culture have ever produced (or even maintained) a similar culture anywhere ever right? even in countries where the infrastructure was already there, built by whites, and all they had to do is coast they still can't do it. finally why do you believe you can accomplish this incredible feat of persuading these new-comers to abandon racial solidarity and become individualists? they don't ever vote the way you want. no matter how much you give they always scream racism and demand more. you sound a little like maybe you're a fan of Jordon Peterson, that line about rejecting collectivism smacks of his rhetoric. the problem is that we are running out of time before we are all minorities in our own countries. I realize you think this is okay because ideas trump race. that might be true if there was even the faintest chance that non-whites in our society will stop seizing every opportunity to attack, degrade and abuse us. but they show no signs of stopping, and you have no evidence that suggests their voting patterns will ever sway in our favour.
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>>189022590
>We can still reduce the minority population by subsidizing abortions
Too bad the GOP is banning that
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>>189022887
we don't have it now, yeah, but they base their whole multikulti propaganda on it, muh republican values, muh civic nationalism.
what the white world need is ethnostates, fuck that civcuck bs.
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>>189015173
>a Pakistani is trying to insult someone
Don't you have more little girls to rape back in your no go zone?
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>>189021494
Maybe it’s because you’re a nonwhite who’s in denial.
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>>189023078
Filipinos are the definition of subhuman, your culture is based off of Chinese, Spanish and Japanese roots.
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>>189015325
>No one claims whites are perfect uncorruptible gods.
Haven't been on here long enough, then. White people are perfect, literally everything bad a white person does is just Jews fault, but white people are still superior. It's their pure kind hearts being taken advantage of by the evil hook nose tribe and also kill all shitskins 1488 neckbeard pride world wide.
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>>189009400
>Think about it, in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem

… because Whites were a huge supermajority. Civnat only works with a White supermajority, and if that is the case, then the whole premise of civnat falls apart, because you're acknowledging that only ethnonationalism works in the broader sense (society must be normatively White and for that you need a White supermajority populace).
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>>189023213
I’ve never met a Filipino who’s actually nice, yet we are suppose to allow you to immigrate legally. Fuck civic nationalism, it lets in anti-white pieces of shit like this.
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>>189022033
Niggers like you amuse me.
Talking non stop about cucking whites; your brain has been completely warped by Jewish porn.
Sad!
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>>189014980
Correct, and that fact in of itself undermines the premise of Civic nationalism because if you need huge majorities of White people to make a system work, then you're in effect saying that race matters and that Culture is directly linked to it.
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>>189014010
The joke is that it's not a moderate position. Civic Nationalism is still racist. The whole problem is conservatives of all stripes have all of the exact same cognitive flaws that leftist do in terms of ingroup/outgroup, friend/foe distinctions. The way the Left treats Muslims is exactly the same way conservatives including CivNats treat the Left. They don't actually ascribe them any agency, inventing some overarching mechanistic process by which they do bad things and never listen to what the Left actually says.

To be a "non-racist" Civic Nationalist you'd have to redefine the idea of racism to be in line with the Nazi one wherein racial essentialism is seen as true. If race is real then you aren't a racist by including other racists. If race is a social construct and you are inventing new exclusionary superstructures which happen to include people with different skin color then you are a racist. Civic Nationalists are racists and seen as racists by the Left and hence by the media, NGOs, largely so by the government. Only a tiny swath of completely powerless and politically irrelevant fellow racists in the conservative movement don't see Civic Nationalism as racist. No one else buys this line of argumentation that you're not a racist because you've invented a new race by which exclusion from will be used to justify oppression.
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>>189022033
>Whites then due to their biology ended the slavery and made them into their equals with only Americans fighting over it indirectly.
again this isn't actually true. whites did not vote to make blacks our equals. we didn't chose to do it. and if your claim is fighting for the north in the civil war de facto means you supported this let me remind you that Lincoln insisted repeatedly that this wasn't his intent at all. he did this because he knew that if the white men in uniform were told you fighting to free niggers they just would have went home. and to your previous question about who imported these people, it was jews. it was crypto-kikes and talmudists. they did this to us. the claims you make are unsubstantiated opinion. futhermore Christianity isn't pro multi-culturalism it's fervently pro-segregation. just because you angsty and mad at your parents for dragging you to shitty Zionist nu-Christian services as a child (assuming you aren't a kike shill) doesn't mean you, or your cucky Zionist pastor get to redefine Christianity.
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>>189023327
I’ve been to boys locker room showers, you wouldn’t believe how small nigger penis actually is. No wonder they make cuckold posts on /pol/.
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>>189022933
The main problem is that outwardly suggesting we should maintain the white race in public discourse isn't gonna work and it hasn't been working for a long time. Events like Charlottesvilles proved this in practice.
Best to subvert the country whilst larping as men who see "beyond race" then to go around autistically screeching about how "jews shouldn't replace us".
No one here believes you'l get these sub-90 IQ retards to stop being racially conscious, but it's far smarter to advance our racial interests whilst saying we don't see color. That's the only way you'l get the independent voters to support Trump.
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>>189022033
>I'm saying that whites evolved biologically toward cucking their own race during that time.
also, this sounds like a fantastically jewish attempt to blame the victim of your crimes
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>>189021441
I’m more in the “let’s close the door behind us,” camp personally.
I think we should pump the breaks on immigration and only make an exception if it serves the goal of returning demographics to what they were before my mother came here, which was in the 70s. How we treat our own citizens and how we handle immigration are two totally separate problems, and the left likes to conflate the two because they want to destroy citizenship and nationality entirely.
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>>189009400
>Think about it, in the 40s,50s, minorities were NOT a problem because the left were not a problem.
Minorities weren't a fucking problem because you didn't fucking have any
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>>189023213
Fuck off gook
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>>189023647
Would you still think that when you realize the majority of legal and illegal nonwhites think like this?
>>189023213
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>>189023318
I appreciate western culture. Modern whites are trash though. White people of old were one thing. You modern whites need to look in the mirror, you are nothing like your ancestors. Your US nation is morbidly obese, and white people are begging to be destroyed. The only whites who want to save whites are undesirable manlet basedboys who think their specific brand of radical political autism makes them different from the other manlet basedboys.

Look at the work of whites over the last hundred years. Shitting up the world with mega corporations, the spread of Marxism, feminism, only China and Japan rival whites in bugmen, yet at least they aren't literal cucks talking about how intellectual it is to let another man fuck your wife.

Only an idiot wouldn't be anti white. Whites are anti white. Your race is a pale farce of what once was, and it's all your fault.
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>>189015146
t. NEET who wants his free gibs
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>>189009400

No

Theres been strong men and weak men during all times. We're not in control of the money system
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>>189023938
>TLDR: Fuck you white pig
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>>189023547
>The main problem is that outwardly suggesting we should maintain the white race in public discourse isn't gonna work and it hasn't been working for a long time. Events like Charlottesvilles proved this in practice.
if anything the election of Donald trump, Brexit, ford in Ontario all prove this isn't true. people are itching to vote for anything they perceive as pro-white because they are inundated with anti-white propaganda everywhere they turn. Also we haven't been trying for a long time. what a ridiculous claim. white and ethnic nationalism is rising. it's growing not shrinking. and we have a fundamental right to say no, we don't want to be replaced in our own homes. that isn't autistic screeching that's self defense.
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>>189009400
they weren't a problem because they were so few in number, and people the host culture was unrepentantly strong
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>>189015611
I agree you need to keep borders open to trade and information
Just make it illegal for foreigners/non-citizens to buy property in your country and only give citizenship to the children of two citizens.
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>>189024102
>when you are struck and have no counter
How "Jewish" of you, mutt
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>>189022933
>>189021079
For once we've got a pretty based leaf here.
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>>189011300
so... the Japanese?
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>>189023938
>butthurt flippy no that's seen one too many QT Filipinas hop on white dick around fort bonifacio
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>>189023547
imagine being this of a faggot
>muh we should hide like little pussies.
kys.
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>>189009400
Minorities in the 40s were not a problem because they were like 1% of the population. kys
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>>189023938
>the spread of Marxism, feminism
Jews aren't white Manny. every negative thing you just attributed to whites has been blatantly Jewish. why are you lying like this. are you a kike with a fake flag? you say we ought to look in the mirror, and face how far we've fallen and I agree, we should, but answer me this what have Philippinos contributed to the world in the last hundred years, or the last thousand, or the last ten thousand?
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>>189024390
Oh no, white people are breeding themselves out of existence! Woe is me!
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>>189024390
There are no QT Filipinos, they’re all generally ugly. There are far better asians.
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>>189016918
>There are more of us than you’d think.
This is what I mean. The people shilling for civnat on /pol/ are all niggers, chinks or indians.
AHAHAHAH pathetic.
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>>189024332
>For once we've got a pretty based leaf here.
I'm a Newfie not a leaf. Confederation was a sham.
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>>189023917
Either you linked to the wrong post or I’m just confused. I’m saying that it’s time to shut down nonwhite immigration and become more strict about enforcing white western norms.
>>189014926
And yes that includes “he who does not work shall not eat.”
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>>189024543
This just in, EVERYTHING BAD DONE BY WHITES IS JEWISH!

So tell me, are whites just stupid then? Why did the Japanese not have Marxist feminism? Inferior genes make them less susceptible to Jewish propaganda?
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>>189024414
>if anything the election of Donald trump, Brexit, ford in Ontario all prove this isn't true.
Trump ran on a civnat platform, Brexit was not explicitly pro-white, see the pattern? The less we autistically screech about the white race, the more victories we gain for the white race.

I'm honestly tired of this stupid shit. We keep doing stupid, piss-poor optics because "hurdur we should carry on doing shit that obviously doesn't work because muh white race"
Charlotesvilles proved that whilst we have some popular support, the amount that we have is far too fucking small for any major, outright "pro white" movement. I'm not saying we shouldn't be pro-white, i'm saying we shouldn't be fucking retarded and play our hand before we have the popular support neccesary for it.
>>189024414
It's not hiding, it's called being intelligent.
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>>189011189
>Europe was mostly white for a long time and it's exploding into flames. Yes you can say "because nonwhites", but who is begging for these people? Europeans.
(((Europeans)))
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>>189018967
Non-Europeans can never integrate fully into a European society. We will always be white, they will always be coloured.
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>>189024547
Lmao, they impregnate poor catholic sluts then go back to their white children in America. You're literally a sex tourism territory. Have fun raising hapa kids cuck
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>>189009400
Borean Nationalism > Civcucknationalism
Niggers were always a problem. Asians were never a problem. The stars belong to Eurasia.
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>>189025075
In terms of sheer numbers its regular Europeans. They eat up the propaganda without a thought. Truly the greatest race on earth.
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>>189025399
>celebrating white men cheating on their own women
You heard it here folks, adultery is a white virtue!
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>>189025017
Because jews can't hide in plain sight and subvert national policies like tbey did in the west.. Jesus even for a flip you're low iq. But in reality we know you're just a kike with a proxy.
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>>189009400
I believe that as far as possible everyone should be treated as an individual. Given every opportunity to succeed or fail on their own merits. I doubt that we would be a million miles apart in opinions.

However, carry Civic Nationalism to its logical conclusion, make it actually work and you have to accept that it is quite literally genocide. Not of the indigenous population but of those that you are bringing in. We are committing suicide. Our society is below replacement levels. Rather than address the problems with our culture we are importing and indoctrinating people from other cultures. We don't reproduce so we have to recruit.

Its more than desperate. Its evil.
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>>189025017
dude your just shitposting and it's not even entertaining. stop pretending western nations (and particularly white men) are more cucked than Asians. I hate the white guys who go over there and take your women from you because I'm against race mixing and I think it's morally reprehensible to do that to you guys, but dude, DUDE, you're an oriental desperately flinging shit and trying to appear tougher/manlier than whites. no one believes you. Whites aren't stupid, the technological prowess of our societies is literally what has allowed yours to grow to its current size. also I never claimed the Japanese have inferior genes, I wouldn't do that. I like Japanese people, but I don't want to see my home repopulated with them (or any one else) and I wouldn't want to see that happen to them, or even you.
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>>189009400
So the point of this post was to tell us that you don't want to discriminate against non-Whites, but at the same time you think they are inferior?

You don't love your country, you love the image you think people have of your country.
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>>189025017
>This just in, EVERYTHING BAD DONE BY WHITES IS JEWISH!
also I didn't claim everything bad done by whites is jewish I claimed those specifics things you mentioned, feminism, Marxism, etc are. you can look into the formulation and origins of these ideologies and it's entirely Jewish.
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>>189009400
Cultural nationalism makes most sense I think
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>>189009400
The very definition of a nationa is incompatible with the definition of civic-nationalist
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>>189009400
Your statement carries some weight if you're talking about the UK. Our black people are way better behaved than in the US. You should reconsider your position if you don't have a NO PAKIS clause though. This is a Christian country (atheist/agnostic acceptable so long as they're Christian atheist/agnostic) everyone else needs to quiet the fuck down and take a back seat.
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>>189025511
>You heard it here folks, adultery is a white virtue!
and here is where all the hatred of whites comes from. the desire to see us destroyed. i'm sorry the lowest of our race, I mean the genetic and moral failures of the white race, go to your country to fuck your women. if I (and other ethno-nationalists) had our way they wouldn't be able to do this to you. we would prohibit this degeneracy. but your understandable anger is misplaced. the globo-homo state of the world that has reduced you to this impotent, pathetic internet cuckold isn't lead by whites. whites don't even have a voice in it. we aren't allowed to because we have a history of opposing the actual people who are doing all of this. if you want your country back you do well to learn you'll never get a fair deal out of a Jew. and if you get your wish and we go extinct they will come after you. your higher average IQs would threaten their dominance.
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>>189026706
I am just shit posting, I'm an expat but I'm bored now. See you guys later in another thread.
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>>189026706
>everyone who goes to live in another country is a genetic and moral failure

Why are white nationalists such homeboys? Is it because you are mostly all NEETs?
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>>189025850
>You don't love your country, you love the image you think people have of your country.
That's good. I'm going to use that.
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>>189024414
De Gaulle Himself said it : "de race blanche et de religion chrétienne."
so basically you're a cuck.
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>>189027442
was for
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>>189009400
The left doesn't enable them you fucking retard, it is in the minority's interest, at least in terms of political power, to disenfranchize white people.
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>>189009400
Your Nation is your Kin

Discrimination is a Judeo Christian meme to conceptualise to the goyim a false sense of morality under which they undermine group cohesion and "selfish-gene" evolutionary strategy.

One that other tribes like japs, arabs and Jews have no problem applying to themselves.

CIV NATS are CIV KEKS
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>>189027591
There is a fucking word filter for C U C K S
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>>189009400
I'm really disappointed in you, anon. People like me just wanted a proud, unified people, but we can't have that because of people like you. That's why people like me want our own ethnostate. Then people like you can keep your brown pets, and people like me can create our utopia.
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>>189027725
yeah but it doesn't work every time
cuck
KEK
civcuck
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>>189027725
when you write it in full caps.
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>>189027076
,,,,what? when did I say that? I meant the caliber of white male that travels to Thailand or the Phillippines for Asian pussy is incredible low.
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>>189028044
If you mean for prostitutes yeah okay. If you mean to live in a different place and normally date the local women then you are wrong. Not everyone is a fat middle aged divorcee office worker.
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>>189009400
Civnac is great. Lets perserve our country but destroy our culture and genetics with inferior humans....

Kike detected.
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At least 50% of our behaviour and thinking patterns, thus our values and ideas, are determined by genetics.
Before migrants make their way to Germany, they were asked, if they want to "become" German. I cant remember the numbers, but a big proportion of them wanted to. But they were asked again, when they lived in Germany and all of the sudden, they rather wanted to "combine their culture with the German one".
This is why the media is talking about "negotiating our values on a daily basis". It is insane. If you want to keep your values, you need a Western society, for which in turn you need Western people.

Blood and soil





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