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Trumpfags unironically have no issue with this
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>>199522635
TAKE IT DOWN WITH NO SURVIVORS
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>>199522635
best reason why dems should just bend the knee and let Trump build the wall
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>>199522765
This, let the country burn.
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>>199522635
So the government produces wealth now? Leftists are some fucking retarded niggers.
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WITH NO SURVIVORS.
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>>199522635
If you're over 25 and somehow haven't saved up 7-10k to cruise through 3-4 months without pay. You're a fucking retard. Especially so if you work at a cushy government job
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>>199522635
So why don't the Democrats just fund the wall then? That would be the cheaper option than their obstinance
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you cant spell GOVERNMENT without MEN
END the patriarchy
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>>199522635
The wall is getting built whether they like it or not. They might as well cooperate. How long the shutdown lasts and how the wall gets built is up to the Dems.
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>>199522765
You literally voted for that
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>>199522635
And? Looks like the leftist shysters actually support the right to illegal entry after all. Not like anyone believed it was about fiscal responsibility
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>>199522635
Why would we? This is more an indictment to the Democrats who are hiding behind "the costs to government workers", and who won't budge on what will soon be the smaller amount.
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The US budget is just Israeli funmoney anyway.
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>>199523059
>You literally voted for that

Proudly!
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>>199523081
This.
The problem is that a bunch of brainless whites think the Dems are opposing the wall because of its cost or potential ineffectiveness. Democrats perpetuate this by being purposely vague about their own plans for the border beyond opposing Trump. If they say they want to secure the border by other means they'll anger Hispanic voters. If they say that they wish to essentially open the border they'll anger the working class white vote. They're trying to appease two groups of people with drastically different views on this topic by uniting them in their mutual hatred of Trump. So far, it's working.
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>>199522635
There is a simple solution to that. Democrats can approve the 0.1% (1/1,000) of the budget that $ 5 Billion in wall funding represents.
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>>199522635
>implying the democrats aren't at fault here
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>>199522635
its almost like most government employees are just swallowing tax dollars will providing no value in return
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>>199522741
First it's an economic crisis and we need to start having credit, effectively making us slaves to the banks. Then it's a terrorist crisis and we absolutely must abolish all rights to privacy, effective as of the Patriot Act. Now it's a Mexican crisis and we must seal ourselves in (I mean off), starting with this wall.
Government gets to track everything you buy. There is no more due process. There is no escape. That is the end game. A camera on every corner. A facial recognition drone when you cattle stray to far. A universal basic income where "everybody does their part".

>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

And we're far past that.
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>>199522635
thats what we wanted anyways. for it to cost more than the dems had to pay and then they look shittier.
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>>199522986
because its a huge inefficiency, its harms wild life, we can just increase border security, and the actual cheapest option is for trump to fuck off about his stupid wall.
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>>199524324
>Just increase border security
Which can be taken away later. A wall is permanent. Put huge fuck-off spikes on top of it and bury mines under it in case wetbacks try to tunnel through.
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>>199524021
Yep. I love the wording they use.
>all "non essential" government employees will be temporarily off work
>it's over 50% of certain branches
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>>199524198
so why, then, are we fighting each other and not the system?
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>>199524324
>we can just increase border security
>offer no details
>policy can change under new leadership at drop of a dime
>constant targeting by media
Wow, very much more efficient and effective
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>>199524435
>permanent
>next term dem president
>decides to tear down wall

Yeah nah ur a faget
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>People still arguing with republican versus democrat logic.

Red Blue Red Blue Red Blue Red Blue

NPC garbage.
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>>199522918
>yeah....yeah. who-who would do that? right guys?
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>>199522635
Shoulda just funded the damn thing
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>>199524324
the Dems refuse to add more security. They want to remove ICE and border patrol because they are racist
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>>199522635
My portfolio is up 7% since the shutdown. Joke is on you fag, but you would know nothing of capitalism and ffee markets, would you?
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>>199523059
>implying Hillary would have done anything different
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>>199524535
Why did the peasant farmers starve and freeze while royalty filled their bellies and warmed their castles off of their labor?
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>>199522907
This. Also, there was a bill ready to pass. Dems filibustered, resulting in the shutdown. If they're so sore about it, why won't they let it pass?
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>>199523942
>implying that the democrats and republicans dont share equal blame
>>199523807
>5 billion dollars is .1% of the budget
this is a problem
>>199524238
>wasting billions of dollars is what we wanted all along!
the power of 4-d chess
>>199524716
a majority of democrat voters oppose abolishing ICE. this was polled for months dude.
>>199524715
>should have just thrown away billions of tax payer dollars to appease the tantrum baby in chief
>>199524766
>BUT HER EMAILS 3 years into the presidency
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>>199522727
>those numbers
>that post
FPBP
OP BTFO AS PER USUAL
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>>199524324
oh noes not the fucking wildlife...shut the fuck up faggot. You for ripping down the Great Wall of China?Nope? The shut the fuck up nigger.
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>>199523059
>senate passes bill
>you voted for that
>pic of trump
>senate passes bill
are you legally retarded?
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>>199522635

This is literally why I voted for trump. Make democrats fucking ass blasted and burn the whole government to the ground

The longer the shutdown, the more salt I get to feast on.

You seem to have this belief that /pol/ actually gives a fuck about republican ideals. This is false.

The true /pol/ wants chaos and laughs
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>>199524943
>you have to oppose this unrelated historical building to be opposed to this new infrastructure
???
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>>199522635
>the cost to the economy will exceed
Chinese agent detected, activating algorithms.
Joint black ops identified, Jewish Oligarch in commune with Chinese elite to abuse citizenry.
Op activated and sanctioned, Jew/Azn racewar vs whites shall now commence..... Deploy ?.....
Yes.............
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>>199525092
>my national parks shut down and the gdp is hemoraging decimals of percents but its ok because democrats are mad
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>>199522635
Why should I have issue with it? This country needs a shakeup at the federal level. More than just elections.
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>>199524324
kek
i doubt wild life gives a rats ass about you or your shutdown
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>>199525249
>why should i care about losing 6 billion dollars over trump and the democrats tantrum
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>>199524886
The POTUS has the authority to veto any legislation including spending bills. Since he is commander-in-chief if he feels the spending doens't allow him to do what he was elected to do, he is within his rights and authority granted his office by the constitution to veto said legislation. It's up to congress to get it resolved. Now in this particular instance, Trump hasn't veto the spending bill because McConnell didn't put it to a floor vote after Trump indicated he would veto it. This is House of Representatives problem.
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What you are referring to as a cost, it's actually a savings. The government can say shut down forever for all I care.
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>>199525092
that was oldpol
nupol are a bunch of whiny faggots that stream into bait threads
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>>199522635
So basically democrats are retarded for trying to frame it as wasteful spending?
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>>199524198
You're a moron.
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>>199522635
No we don’t. We want the swamp drained, and immigrant leeches our.
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>>199522635

Seems like if its going to cost more than the wall, then they should just let him build the wall. Because it would cost less?

Like in another couple of weeks after that it will cost twice as much as the wall. So maybe you should have just let him build it then?

When it's cost ten times maybe they will do it then? Or wait for twenty times?

Seems like the best solution in all possible cases is to just build it.
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>>199522635
What luck! Looks like the wall just got
>Ten feet higher.
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>>199525209
GDP is not a function of government. Name one product the government produces much less makes a profit?
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>>199522635
> cost to the economy will exceed price of wall

Then the Democrats should stop blocking the wall funding, bunch of anti-American communists.
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>>199522635
we dropped lolbert ideology a long time ago faggot
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>>199523059
They are all are run by Zog retard. It’s best of a bad situation.
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>>199525434
it is wasteful spending. the alternative to this is to not include a wall in the budget and not have a shutdown effectively saving the 6 billion that is being lost in this shutdown
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>>199525504
Work harder for your $0.03 post.
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>>199525607
>>>>>>>>this retard logic again
the wall is wasteful spending
the shutdown is wasteful spending
no wall and no shutdown is the only thing that doesnt lose any money
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The wall is a stupid solution that isn’t going to keep immigrants out. They even pointed out the tunnels and smuggling, on how inefficient it would be.

Most of the people affected by this voted for the idiot, so I could give a literally fuck. Don’t give the baby candy.
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CNBC = MSN = failed narrative
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>>199522635
So build The Fucking Wall already.
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>>199522635
LMAO - This just shows how vile and hateful demonicRats are towards the country and it's citizens they were elected to represent. I will never vote democrat again.
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>>199522635
Who gives a shit? Fuck the current standing government and our useless countrymen. I'm going to enjoy watching this place collapse
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>>199524324
The illegals have thrown so much garbage along the southern border, the soil is to toxic for plants in some areas.
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>>199522635
>The cost for the democrats to just fucking play ball is gonna be more than the wall
OMEGALUL
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>>199525789
>lol they have other ways so why even try stopping them
You're a shill
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>>199522635

Civil War and Ethnostates are the future since the American people who built this Nation White people spoke and all the anti Whites and their mothers are still against us. It is the only way forward. Enjoy the future...
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>>199525781
>the shutdown is wasteful spending
>800k people aren't getting paycheck
>RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEE
>but this is wasteful spending
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>>199525781
>no wall and no shutdown is the only thing that doesnt lose any money

Fuck you common core faggots are literally dumber than shit. How much money goes to illegals? How many illegals commit crime? FACT 100% (but but but math is waycist) GTFO shit4brains!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US2QZxyqrBs
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>>199524620
As usual libshits cannot into economics. It would cost money and political capital to tear down a wall most Americans are for.
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>>199522918
>mfw i saved up 8k in argentina in the last 7 months
My american customers are richer, thus they pay well and often!

MAGA!
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>>199522907
800,000 people not getting a paycheck. Not going to the grocery store, not buying gas, not going out to eat, not paying bills, not buying useless stuff from China & Taiwan. 800,000 paychecks not getting circulated back into the economy is huge.
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Obama never shut the government down for political reasons.......oh wait...never mind.
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>>199525781
>wasteful spending
The national debt is approaching $22 trillion. What, are you worried the government is going to run out of paper?
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>>199526053
cringing at this boomerposting
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>>199524535
Because the left are degenerates who want to replace Whites and turn little boys into trannies.
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>>199525789
>Most of the people affected by this voted for the idiot
lmao yeah I bet the whole DMV went for Trump
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>>199526221
if only you knew how bad things really are
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/americas-real-debt-shocker-100-trillion-owed-unfunded-16581
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/26/federal-debt-reach-100-trillion-cbo/
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>>199526221
and they haven't even passed a budget in what, 8 or 9 years now? The government keeps shutting down every few months because none of the swamp creatures can even fulfill basic obligations
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>>199525209
Oh no not the parks! Surely they’re just gonna fuckin disappear now. Also, it’s the slow season you dumb fuck, most of them close facilities this time of year
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>>199526210
>obama did it so its ok if my president does it
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>>199526389
You are reinforcing my point.
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>>199522907
The taxes were collected so the leeches aren't getting paid and therefore aren't spending anything. If tax collection was stopped as well, then there were would be a gain.
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>>199526187
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

800,000/320,000,000=.25% of the population
>huge impact
my fucking sides.
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>>199525667
>>199524198
>liberal tries to pretend to be patriotic, ends up failing and looking like the beaner dicksucker he is

kys
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>>199526287
why did sammy have to go and fuck himself up so badly
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>>199522635
Build the wall.
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>>199526435
except im not a nihilist so i actually care about more retarded spending when we cant even afford unfunded pension plans.
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When will niggers start rioting?
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>STILL NO WALL
I literally laugh everyday at the retards who actually believed this faggot
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>>199522635
Trump voters want a wall no matter the cost. They don't care about this news, since they figure the wall will pay for this ten times over.
Democrats say the wall is too expensive. This article is saying that they've wasted more money opposing the wall than it would cost to just fucking build it.
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>>199522986
Because that means drumpft wins REEEEEEEEEEEED!
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>>199525644
No, the alternative is status quo and an untenable amount of spending on foreign nationals, and an untenable shift in demographics. Fuck you for being such a pathetically typical shyster
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>>199524198
>a wall on the Mexican border would prevent me leaving
You're a retard. And a wall would give me more of a reason to stay :^)
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>>199522635
>implying I care about some rich international elites economy
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>>199522635
Doesn't the fact that the shutdown will cost more than the wall reflect worse on the Democrats, since refusing to hand over the money will have cost more than doing it?
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>>199526187
Nice stats, they still smell like your ass tho
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>>199524198
some bank with a bad rep could do 0% interest loans for gov't workers as a publicity stunt then net a bunch of republicans and democrats respect.
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>>199522635
you could of saved 6 billion dollars if you just gave us the wall now dont you feel silly
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>>199526613
yeah yeah keep doom mongering. its not like trump gives a shit about reducing foreign spending when he keeps throwing more money at our military welfare queens
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>>199526187
Yeah that people will just stop existing

Fucking kike
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Don't worry guys Trump said Mexico is paying for it! r-right?
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>>199522635

Thank G-d Israel is still getting their money throughout the shutdown.
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>>199524324
>just increase border security
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>>199526736
Nice non argument and piss poor attempt at deflection and whataboutism

Try addressing what I said. The alternative is status quo, which means spending far more at an exponentially increasing rate, you stupid fuck
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>>199526637
It depends on who ultimately takes the blame for thw shutdown. If they manage to pin it on Trump (and they've done a good job so far), then voters will see it as Trump throwing a tantrum. If they take any of the blame, voters will realize they've wasted billions to save billions.
Of course, the actual blame should go to both sides, but voters don't see it that way.
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These government employees are just useless eaters. That one Indian guy was just doing website maintenance all day long for a Commie outfit. Wow, him staying home is going to matter. Project Veritas did a good job exposing some of these useless brown anti-White shits.
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>>199526187
>govt employees who don't have any savings
>people
kek
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>>199522635
More of a reason they should have shelled out the shekels for the wall.
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>>199526932
This. I’m happy those boot lickers aren’t working. Over half are worthless anyway. Trim the fucking fat I say.
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>>199522635
Haven't noticed the government has been shutdown and don't care. Keep it off. Fuck you, niggers.
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>>199524886
yes. it passes the amount he wanted and its the Dems that take blame.
these assholes are the ones running around saying hell never get his wall and then telling people that if he ends the shutdown then theyll discuss it.
even the most normie lefty is seeing that schumer and pelosi are scumbags
all those videos of them and obama saying how important a wall is and how important border security is for the nation are also not helping dems
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>>199522635
the rich have wanted to shut down the government for years

they already passed laws that make all the shit they care about continue to function regardless
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>>199524886
>>BUT HER EMAILS
Obvious shill up in this bitch.
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>>199526932
>>199527206
Maybe the non-essential gov employees should be doing the jobs the Mexicans are taking? Balance restored.
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>>199527227
>7227
interesting get
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>>199526529
The government keeps running fine with an enormous debt. "Can't afford" in this context means "don't want to pay for." If the state wants something done, it will be funded. Why are you pretending to be worried about the impact of five billion dollars when we're increasing the debt by trillions every year? Surely there's other, more serious fat to cut from the budget, pensions for example.
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>>199523059
The 2016 Memorandum of Understanding reflected United States support of Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grant assistance to Israel over the 10-year period beginning in fiscal year 2019 and ending in fiscal year 2028. FMF grant assistance would be at a level of $3,300,000,000 annually, totaling $33 billion, the largest single pledge of military assistance ever and a reiteration of the seven-decade, unshakeable, bipartisan commitment of the United States to Israel’s security.
>prior administration.
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>>199522635
>Dems: Its about money
>Trump: Its about security

You retards do realize the money argument works against you right?
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>>199522635
lol doesn't effect me.
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>>199522635

>money given to the government at the expense of the taxpayers increases the worth of the economy
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>>199522635
Who gives a fuck about a government that won't protect its citizens? Trump is basically inching us closer towards the purge and he's completely right to since half the government is kicking and screaming over the fact that Americans want to feel safe inside their own country. I really don't give any fucks about this clown world already but now I'm practically begging for it to collapse if we can't fix it the nice way
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>>199524886
Like we don't throw away billions of $$ to other countries; to free food, clothing, housing, & healthcare to non-USA citizens that put one foot across the border; to special council investigations that have turned up nothing; to the medical field from the drug crises. Get off my board with your appeasement shit. GO!

#BUILDTHEWALL
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>>199526867
>blame
I want these non-essential "workers" to start getting fired. I hope the government stays shut down permanently.
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>>199526287
This.
May the government stay closed!
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>>199526507
He took the blackpill and was unable to reconcile it.

Redpilling is easy, all you have to do is read a bunch of statistics and have a pretty solid idea that things aren't adding up. Ultimately, the redpill is socially acceptable, it is a bellweather for a young man proving he can survive in the world and is not decadent.

Blackpill requires that you go deeper into the root cause of disorder in our society, and that truth hurts. It goes beyond "Niggers are only 12% of the population, but commit X amount of crime." Taking the blackpill means you have to look at how western society was formed, and what brings it down. Blackpill means you have to realize everything you have every seen in any sort of media was part of a massive propaganda scheme to prevent you from learning the truth. Blackpill's no longer need statistics, you aren't trying to convince anyone else, you are just gorging yourself on the truth of this world. Worse, you cannot share a majority of what you know, and you are tormented on a daily basis by NPC's who refuse to listen to anything you have to say. Taking the blackpill will lead to being socially ostracized.

There tend to be two paths after taking the blackpill; slow degeneration into social isolation and reclusiveness, or flinging themselves into greatness. All the corporate officers I have ever interacted with were blackpilled (save for women and diversity stooges).

Taking the blackpill is a serious gamble, all or nothing. You cannot know beforehand if you will make it out without crashing.

But it's worth it.
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>>199527448
theres lots more i want to do away with. any south american foreign aid should be reconsidered, israeli foreign aid has ballooned past necessary levels, military spending is way too high, incarceration is way too high, many other things to rethink and reduce
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>>199522635
So build the wall, then. /thread
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>>199526588
>Democrats say the wall is too expensive. This article is saying that they've wasted more money opposing the wall than it would cost to just fucking build it.
They also say it's ineffective, as they sleep in walled homes, lsurrounded by other walls/gates. I wish someone would challenge these dems to put their money where their mouth is and leave their gates/doors unlocked. I'm not even talking open, just unlocked. They'd never do it because they would rightfully fear some bad people coming in uninvited.

So why is it good enough for them but not good enough for our country? How are the left so blinded by hate that they can't see the hypocrisy? And the cost issue is something they can no longer hide behind because they will be throwing away more than that with nothing to show for it. They'd be better off not being so aggressively obstructionist and trying to cut a deal that can benefit them in some way. Trump is playing them for fools right now and ensuring his reelection.
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>>199527448
>be republicans
>cut all taxes on rich
>cut all taxes on corporations
>complain about having not enough money
>cut retirement and health care for elderly
>send tens of billions to Israel

how do these people sleep at night?
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>>199522635
Buttery mails
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>>199522727
>727
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>>199527894
comfy and with indoor heating funded by the NRA and other interest groups
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>>199527775
Sure, so complain about that stuff instead. Nobody is falling for the fiscal responsibility act on this subject, we're building the wall.
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>>199526477
>You're either republican or you're demarcate
Fucktards like you killed this country.
>>199526615
>And a wall would give me more of a reason to stay :^)
The government loves you and wants you to be safe. They want nothing to do with grabbing more and more power like every other civilization to ever have existed and collapsed.
>>199526705
>some bank with a bad rep could do 0% interest loans for gov't workers as a publicity stunt then net a bunch of republicans and democrats respect.
Something tells me the banks already know how to take advantage of this situation. They've been playing the game centuries
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>>199527830
he looks like hes throwing an inefficient tantrum and the democrats look like a bunch of activists who dont care about the american people. neither side looks good
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>>199522635
Yep!

Dems can end it.

Build the wall
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Why do people on left says no to border. Do they want people from other country get in US without check?
Obviously these people are sub 60IQ.
Shame on Democrats that they know they are playing cards of sub 60 IQ people. Trump would have already called out to them. But they are helding it to “muh love and care for all human being” bullshit. And now giving up their stance would cause their ultimate defeat. Democrats are stuck. The real deal was those Russian propagandist those cultivated Sub 60IQ goblins in US.
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>>199527448
>The government keeps running fine with an enormous debt
Fucking boomer logic right there. Our debt is manageable right now, since our interest is only $500 billion per year. As it grows higher, lenders will start to worry about our ability to pay, and everything will collapse.
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>>199528240
oh so like 90% of the country killed the country but you saved it? what enlightened political party do you stand for?
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>>199525789
The wall is a one time expense, with minimal upkeep. Check points, tunnels, etc. are on-going daily expenses that also need to be upgraded with new tech & better trained people. Start with the one time expense & work out from there.
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>>199528384
>Do they want people from other country get in US without check?
Yes. Leftism is a mental disease.
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>>199528384
>Why do people on left says no to border. Do they want people from other country get in US without check?

Yes

>Obviously these people are sub 60IQ.

Yes very good you are not of the uninitiated.
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>>199528384
>Do they want people from other country get in US without check?
>Obviously these people are sub 60IQ
You don't understand the American left. They have an agenda within their minds to get rid of whites and to burn the constitution to usher in communism. They know exactly what they're doing but they hide it under the emotional garbage to dupe people on the right with honor. The jews flooded our universities with their communist propaganda and brainwashed countless Americans to hate America. It's all much more sinister than some realize
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>>199528475
Good, fuck it. The current world order is evil and rotten.
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>>199528384
yes, because their children will vote for democrats
democrats really are that evil
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>>199527830
Your argument is literally "buht houses have wallss!!" Fuck.

>>199527679
>feel safe
There's no way to make cowards feel safe. Wasteful walls, useless torture, you guys keep trying to find ways around the fact that your souls are broken.

You'll never feel safe. You can't.

>>199528247
Ultimately Trump is in a worse position. At the end of the day, the hardliners won't do something like a "wall for dreamers" deal, so where is there to go?

He is the one who chose to shut down the government. He can't get the wall without making a deal with the Dems, but they have no reason to make a deal when Trump visibly loses so hard when no deal happens.

He's painted himself into a corner. The ironic thing is, this is all because they criticized him in the right-wing media.
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It's simple. Trump is in a win-win situation.
Either:
A. He gets the wall.
Or
B. Millions of unessential government workers have to find new jobs, thus shrinking the size of the federal government, thus draining the swamp.
It's beautiful.
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>>199522635
>"And Mexico will pay for it!"

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say at this point that America has paid way more than Mexico ever will.
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>>199522635
Weird, I paid $1.85 per gallon of gas just the other day. I haven't seen it that low in about 15-20 years.

It's almost as if the country is healing.
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>>199528791
I'm going to clarify, because reading some of the other posts, you guys don't get it.
He's already building walls along the border with the army corps of engineers.
Expect the God Emperor to get the news media to chase their tails around the definition of unessential if his supporters become antsy.
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The only issue I have with the shutdown is people are fucking up national parks.

It just confirms that when adults aren't watching, people are truly garbage at heart and are wrecking beautiful natural wonders.

We need to coordinate with /out/ and form a National park militia and shoot faggots on sight that are abusing such natural wonders. Fuck.
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>>199522635
Democucks seem to have no issue with this either - in the meantime it seems like everything runs just fine without them... It's almost as though you don't need big government...
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>>199528784
>the hardliners won't do something like a "wall for dreamers" deal, so where is there to go?
Build the wall with the military and deport the DACA spics. Should've taken a deal, morons.
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>>199528784
>all this delusion
Most Americans, not the ones the MSM shills constantly, but the real hardworking Americans I've talked to, think the shutdown is funny. In fact, they want MORE of the govt to shut down, not less.
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>>199522635
The democrats have no issue with this.
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>>199522635
It's on the democrats now
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>>199528791
>millions of citizens will remain in government jobs hoping to get paychecks and hoping the government doesnt shut down and fuck over their income again
WOW MAGA WINNING, FUCK JOBS AND FUCK AMERICANS BASED TRUMP
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>>199527026
TSA pay is pretty shit and due to airports being in high cost of living areas it would be hard to build up savings especially in a place like DC.
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>>199522635
Every job has a con to it.

They can qualify for assistance and welfare. Plus when the government does re open, they will get paid for all of the missed time.

Whatever man. Still more cushy than working a private sector job.
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>>199528940
3.12 in california. kill me
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>>199525092
100% this.
Actual /pol/ wants us all to suffer, regardless of alignment. People defending the suffering unironically is just a sign that it's working.
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>>199522765
(((Democrats))) and ((( republicans))) did that.
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>>199528240
It's your onus to prove that basic border security is going to infringe on my freedom of movement. I'll wait.
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>>199529151
then it shouldn't be too hard to find 1/8th that amount for a wall
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>>199529073
>TSA
is useless. Didn't exist before 9/11. Starting a new alphabet soup agency allowed govt to expand by 10k employees and spend millions on x-ray and bomb sniffing machine. Since it's inception, TSA has stopped ZERO terrorist attacks while violating the 4th amendment right of every citizen. FUCK TSA
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Some things are more important than money.
There was never a point where I believed Trump would actually pay for the wall with a Tariff because I live in the real world. I thought he would actually bother to build it anyway though.
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>>199529013
There was no deal. And Trump can legally do neither of those.

>>199529044
Glow-in-the-dark trust fund objectivist larping as a commoner. Fuck off, scumbag.
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>wall's budget is worth the same as a rounding error in the yearly budget
>demokrauts have a problem paying for it
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>>199529071
You do know that whether you work in private sector or public sector, your employeer can fire you, you can get laid off, the employer can go out of business. The idea that you are guaranteed a job, let alone a paycheck, is the epitome of absurdity.
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>>199529333
>I thought he would actually bother to build it anyway though

the plan was to blame democrats for it not getting built and then use that as a reason why you should vote for him again

>vote for me again because I promise this time i will actually build that wall
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>>199525209
>>my national parks shut down
Who the fuck would go to a National Park in January? Are you fucking retarded?
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>>199529378
>Glow-in-the-dark trust fund objectivist larping as a commoner. Fuck off, scumbag.
Is this the new line they are paying you to push?
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>>199522988
Eat my cum
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>this thread
Imagine being american and this ignorant about the general economy and the impact of government regarding it.

No wonder every mutt is knee deep in debt, you faggots cant do basic math
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>>199522918
>tfw live at home and have 150k saved up
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>>199529073
https://www.indeed.com/salaries/TSA-Salaries,-Washington-DC
The desk bitches make $43K. Inspectors get $92K. Cost of living is highly variable as in all cities, it all depends how much diversity you want. Good thing the TSA employs niggers.
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>>199529488
me you stupid n word. kings canyon and redwood are filled with law breakers now who litter and illegally hunt because the visitor center and law enforcement there are off work during the shutdown. i cant go anymore because california deemed it too dangerous for health and safety to go right now.
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>>199529130
>Still more cushy than working a private sector job.
The exception to this is working in tech. Government tech positions get BTFO by the private sector when it comes to pay and benefits. An SDE III or an NOC engineer will laugh at whatever the government has to offer them.
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>>199522635
CNBC is prop for retards.
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>>199522635
Wow, guess you’d better fucking surrender then faggot.
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>>199524198
Edgy Redditor appealing to every anti-dystopian cliché there is
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Maybe just fund the wall then?
You're wasting money with your bullshit. Fund the damn wall. It's costs nothing in comparison to the budget and it actually helps our country.
Liberals love to bitch about income inequality but they have no problem with allowing the rich to get richer on the immigrants that they allow in because it gets liberal votes.
Their fucking retards.
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>>199529071
Not if it lasts six years
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>>199529378
>Trump can legally do neither of those.
lolwut
He absolutely can. The President has a huge amount of power, especially when it comes to immigration.
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>>199529071
Not if it lasts six years.
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>>199529753
ive never read a more facebook boomer "The liberuls" post the whole day
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>>199526475
You fucking dumbass you need to adjust the population for working age citizens
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>>199522635
Shut it down 1/2 the country wants socialist slaves.
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>>199529636
Well played sir, this is grade A larping, fucking kek
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>>199525209
mexicans in california national parks
of course
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The wall must be built at all costs. There is no loss that doesn't justify building it. Kill yourself jew bitch.
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>>199529506
You're the one who goes around pushing lines.

>>199529399
It's been symbolic from the start. Trump is just demanding that the Dems give in and lose even though the cost of him losing is so much greater, and he has nothing to offer, since true immigration hardliners (as opposed to ptg) don't want to let a bunch of spics stay in exchange for a useless symbol.

>>199529835
He's already been repeatedly blocked on deporting Dreamers and the wall will barely be started by the time the courts rule he's abusing his emergency powers.

Of course he hasn't gone there because the politics of using emergency powers are fucked, too.
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>>199529913
It's irrelevant.
Plus I rounded down from 328 to 320m.
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>>199528247
>using leverage to try to negotiate a deal that would otherwise never happen is throwing a tantrum
I know that's everyone on the left's favorite buzzword, but he's playing this situation pretty diplomatically. He's giving them every opportunity to come to the table, offered compromises in which they both get something they want, and yet they still won't even entertain the idea of it. Ultimately he knows they're too stubborn to ever work with him though, and is doing this for optics so when he calls the national emergency he can look like he didn't have a choice. As I previously said, playing them for fools.
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>>199528564
Not about political parties. We the people are losing is my point. I don't get why most believe government is the be all end all solution for basic survival/needs. We've forgotten as a people what it meant to have the power to check the government's, not like you or anyone else on this forum gives a shit about such freedom.
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>>199522635

You're fuckin' A right. And if you do, you're a brainlet fagit surrender monkey. Fuck government employees, liberals, and you.
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>>199530116
>You're the one who goes around pushing lines.
That's not a line. It's the truth. Unless you are one of the NON-ESSENTIAL gov't employees who's on vacation, you don't give a fuck about the shutdown. These 800k people represent about 1/5 of the total federal govt. That's how bloated it is. 800k people are considered non-essential.
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>>199522635
>he thinks trumpfags cares what happens
Kys kike
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>>199522635

>Trumpfags unironically have no issue with this

I don't get the logic here. The entire Democrat argument is ostensibly that the wall is a waste of money.

If the state wastes the cost of the wall by having an unnecessary shutdown then the justification for the Democrats opposing the wall and perpetuating the shutdown is no longer valid.

The reality is that this is political theater. Pelosi and Schumer are being obstructionist because opposing Trump is the only platform the Democratic establishment have left. They don't care about the wall, they don't care about fiscal responsibility (the proposed spending bill is over $4 trillion including $40 billion in foreign aid just for the fucking Israelis) they don't care about the Mexicans, and they don't care about the American people. They just care about scoring political points and looking like they're doing something, anything to oppose Trump regardless of if it makes sense.
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>>199528988
Pls respond
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spending =/= loss of revenue

they just pissed cuz congress aint got its paycheck
and they think them not geeting paid equals a loss of funds

when in reality all that tax money is just sitting in the bank slowly gaining interest.

i say shut down govt until the interest can cover half the national debt.
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What's even funnier is that we have no fucking coast guard right now, and thus our left and right borders (and all of Hawaii and Alaska) are up for free grabs to literally goddamn anyone.
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>>199530392
Yes, that is the problem we are currently discussing in this thread.
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>>199522727
fpbp
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>>199525321
t.kike
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>>199530249
That's why they're trying to make it so people in the FHA and IRS can be labeled essential and give people their mortgages and tax returns.
>didn't hurt for the first couple weeks
just stick to raiding your daddy's overpriced scotch cabinet

>>199530392
The more Trump loses the easier it will be for non-true believers to turn against him when the time comes.
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>>199522635
zero fucks given. it's a national emergency, the democrats are traitorous fucks for allowing it to happen. they don't care about national security.
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>>199530722
>That's why they're trying to make it so people in the FHA and IRS can be labeled essential and give people their mortgages and tax returns.
FUCK THE IRS
FUCK THE FED
BURN THEM BOTH TO THE GROUND
HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?
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>>199527894
So now you're not just closet racist, tranny loving faggot, degenerate and godless lazy bum of society, but an antisemite too? You fucks are way beyond lost! Now kys!
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Why not hire more border patrol agents and install underground sensors instead of a wall?
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>>199525585
The weapons grade plutonium Hillary would sell.
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>>199530116
>He's already been repeatedly blocked on deporting Dreamers and the wall will barely be started by the time the courts rule he's abusing his emergency powers.
Yeah, there are a lot of problem judges who ought to be dealt with harshly. The laws are on Trump's side, though.
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>>199531287
because border patrol is full of spics
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>>199522635
Liberals have no issue with this.
But the costs of welfare to millions of illegals if the wall is not built will far exceed 100X the wall.
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>>199531754
illegals cant get welfare, just goes to show how uneducated you are.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/us/joshua-trees-cut-down.html

Reminder, it's not the shutdown, it's just people being pieces of shit.
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>>199522635
No more amigos, pls.
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>>199531831
lmao, you dumb
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>>199531831
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/01/09/new-york-city-care-comprehensive-health-care-plan-concerns/2522924002/
it includes illegal immigrants.
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>>199522635
no problem at all. they will get paid eventually. if you can't save up enough money to ride through tough times i don't have any sympathy for you.
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>>199525092
>>199525278
>>199525375
Based anons
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>>199522635
burn it ashtray
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>>199522635
Based

Shut it down permanently
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>>199530508
Actually, the American people don't want a wall. Democrats are doing what the majority of Americans want.
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>>199522635
Why the fuck do you think /pol/ gives two shits about (((nonessential government workers))) not getting their paycheck?

Seriously shut the whole government down for two more years absolutely 0 fucks given.
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>>199522635
Guess they should just pay for the wall then.
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>>199523059
um duh? are you not a christian or something?
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>>199522635
i hope the shit down lasts 100000 years. put that in ur and smoke it, jack!
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>>199526187
Cool. Maybe they can take some of the jobs employers can’t fill with their awesome experience. Or maybe they just are lazy and couldn’t get hired by an actual company.
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>>199522635
Well, the dems better get their shit together. Guess we're in for a bumpy ride
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>>199526529
>pension plans
>trusting the government
I don’t feel bad for anyone
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>>199534542
Democrats are doing what democrats wants. Republicans are doing what they want, which is a wall. They won the election. So no one gives a shit what democrats want.
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>>199527894
Elderly healthcare didn’t get cut you dumb fuck.
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>>199534542
Do you mean citizens or just everyone residing in America?
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>the economy relies on unnecessary government spending
Hmmmmmmmm..........
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>>199522765
If the Senate passed the bill why is the picture of trump? Shill. That's why
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>>199525781
If Trump wanted 5 billion to literally burn in a giant bonfire, Democrats would approve it to reopen he government. They just don't want the wall.
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>>199522635
There are values more important than economic.
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>>199522635
You are correct, I don't. The best possible outcome of this is that we get the wall and the government stays shut down till 2024 minimum.
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>>199522635
All because the democrats won't let us have 5 nil for a wall while they hand out 10s of billions to other countries.
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>>199534542
>Actually, the American people don't want a wall. Democrats are doing what the majority of Americans want.
NPC's really believe this.
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>>199522918
>tfw I'm homeless but identify as a millionaire. Checkmate Trumpsters.
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>>199522635
>Democrats unironicly have no issues with this
>Would rather spend more than 5 billion on nothing than spend it on anything someone they don't like wants
Jesus
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>>199535729
Yeah it's almost as if they're trying to convince us these people should be fired wholesale. Well I must say that if that's their plan they're succeeding.
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>>199522635
>t. Tyrone worried about food stamps
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>>199522635
Realistically speaking, should we? He's playing the hand that was dealt. We kept the Senate just like he wanted, losing it meant a shutdown or wall would never happen. Now with the divide between Dems and Repubs crystallized, it makes things real easy, leftists cannot win a logical debate because reality outside of their propaganda machine echo chamber doesn't support them in the slightest. Trump really killed the Dems in the recent address because he comes off compassionate for the good of the nation, while they simply doubled-down attacking blindly. Congress conveniently acts as if $5.7 billion were some ungodly amount to allocate for this project, yet fund foreign aid bills (as evidenced here >>199522765 although Rand Paul killed it and POTUS hasn't signed it) that are worth multitudes more. It is setting up the the stage before the American public that Democrats are in-fact "public enemy #1" and that they aren't in their positions to serve The People. They'll be lucky to be impeached before this is over but many will see prison sooner if they continue this farce.
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>>199522635
>no issue
No we have a huge issue with the democrats killing America to save their ass.
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>>199522635
Hmmmm.
Kind of sinks the idea that Democrats are opposing the wall to save money then doesn't it?
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>>199527227
>obama saying how important a wall is
My opinion is changing of the dude. But you do hear terrible rumours.
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>>199526187
>800,000 people who have major incomes
fuck off
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>>199526421
it's about time the right started playing by the same rules the left does
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>>199525781
I’m tired of you rats.
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>>199526187
>800,000 people not getting a paycheck
>800,000 people that are apparently living paycheck to paycheck.
>800,000 people that have been apparently been living paycheck to paycheck for years under multiple presidential administrations and government shutdowns.
>800,000 people the Obama administration had no problem inflicting a three year pay freeze on
>No Democrat ever gave a shit about their financial security before.
>We're supposed to believe they give a shit now.

Don't shoot, let it burn.
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>>199523717
The Democrat jews and the rinos run the drugs and child sex slaves and the organs and money laundering from Mexico. That's why they won't budge.
We need martial law for the one week it would take to round the demon filth jews up long enough to document the evidence needed to put them away forever.
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>>199539955
Forgot to take off my jackass flag from another thread where I was pretending to be a Jew.
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Does shariablue actually think that Trump supporters care about the cost of the border wall? Because we don't...Mexico or not, it doesn't matter who pays...If it keeps one 'spic from entering America and popping out 5 anchor babies, than it is worth it.
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>>199522635
Guess that's a good reason to fund the wall.
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>>199524198
Stop trying to play off everyone's paranoia. The dems will cave. Likely Trump will just declare a national emergency since he said he wouldn't.
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A wall would be useless, because if Dems gain power at any point (which they will) they will open the floodgates, let them in and declare amnesty
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>>199524634
this tbqhfam
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>>199534679
I can smell the boomer from this post but yeah you’re right
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>>199522635
Then approve the wall and all this will end
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>>199524198
>Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
whose retarded quote is this , i bet it is one of those masonic founding fathers
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It's literally the point. If you won't fund the wall then get shut down until you do
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>>199522635
>Trump
The ball was in the Dem's court.
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>>199522635
This is CNBC saying this. How do we know its true?
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>>199522635
how many pet projects are the dems pushing that cost even more
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>>199522635

why does anyone - literally anyone, democrat or republican - pretend that the shutdown is a bad thing?

what is the "bad thing" about this? republicans hate the government because it's too powerful and ruins their lives. democrats hate the government because it's composed of evil racist white men who ruin their lives.

yet we are supposed to pretend that it's some huge tragedy that it was shut down for a couple weeks during the holiday season? what is the point of this fiction? does anyone actually believe it?
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How does a shutdown cost money?
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>>199524324
>because its a huge inefficiency
Except that's just not true. Walls are very efficient.
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>>199522635
That's the wrong comparison. Put the """"cost"""" of the government shutdown, so called, against the drain illegal aliens put on our economy. Building the wall would save us more than that in the same amount of time.
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>>199525209
Now you're starting to get it, good on ya lad!
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>>199522635
The Dems are taking Trump's bait. It makes me ashamed to be a Democrat!! When did we get so fucking stupid!??
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>>199543552
About the time you started to vote for women's and lgbs's rights over everything else.
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>>199522635
Burn the fucker down.
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>>199522635
Wow, imagine how insane that’d be if it were actually true!
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>>199522635
Sounds like they should have just built the wall...
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>>199525109
Unrelated? Its a fucking wall
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>>199522635
And if you'd said yes to the wall it wouldn't of come to this.
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>>199522635
Libs lose either way , shills
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>25 coping posts by a .gov nigger kvetching
Gys
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>>199523059
The goyim are so stupid you could dangle it in front of their faces all day and it won’t change a single thing :)
You lost this war a thousand years ago, Jews rule the world because we are the master race and all the goyim can do is fight one another hahaha
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>>199526615
What I don’t understand is why you retards even think a wall would help. I mean the next time a democrat becomes president they can just open the floodgates can’t they? A wall won’t stop democrats from letting illegals in it’s just there to placate you stupid goys :)
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>>199526187
Sweet. Maybe those fat pension jockeys can finally get real jobs.
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>>199522635
Well if the demokikes would just give the people what we want, this wouldn't be an issue.
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>>199522635
How can you possibly lose money due to the shutdown? If anything you should be saving tons of cash.
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>non-essential jobs get cut

Ah yes, the (((economy))) will suffer alright. This is nothing but a win-win for me.
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>>199522986
>obstinance

The word is obstinATE, not obstinANT. Hence the noun is obstinateness, not obstinance. You fucking idiot.
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>>199554339
Look at all that money they saved. I'm not a Libertarian but this government shutdown is their "taxation robs you" theories in practice. So far the country hasn't collapsed due to missing government elements maybe they were right to some extent all along. Know what maybe those smart guys who say small government is all that is necessary are right too. Oh well. I guess that money can go to the wall instead.
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>>199537521
is this pasta registered already? I would like to propose to the floor a few changes of my own and the sent it to vote.
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>>199522635
How exactly are we losing money by not paying federal employees? Dumb fucking mong
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>>199524198
Mum says to take off your tinfoil hat before showering you greasy faggot.
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>>199542969
Yeah.
>A 240km, full to the brim with cameras, radars and fucking motion sensors every other ten meters, wall.
>Bunch of steel bars with that can be saw with a blunt knife, over a distance of 3200km, passing through deserts, mountains, water, with absolutely no surveillance over 99% of it.
>The same thing

Classical Mutt
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>>199522635
I am enjoying it. I am in New Mexico which is one of the most affected states because of all the wellfare programs. The only ones complaining are the literal dredges of society.
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>>199522635
it drains the swamp :)
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>>199522635
>cost to economy
in which universe? the state does not create any value. all it does is steal from citizens and burn that stolen money.
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>>199526187
>paycheck
it's stolen money you retard. there's 0 value created. it's plain wealth transfer. well, no, actually money is burned because 70% of government spending are overhead costs to manage all that stolen money
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>>199522635
$22,000,000,000,000.00 and you are worried about $6,000,000,000.00
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Why can't these high payed Gubamint employees go w/o a check for 1 pay cycle w/o losing their houses? Niggers and spics they are.
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>>199522635
the unessential government should be permanently shutdown. the country is in debt and that's how it could pay off its "student loans"





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