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Why do Protestants not see Catholics and Orthodox Christians as "Christians"?
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>>389903378
They dont fellate niggers enough or something
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>>389903378
Why does JIDF make such lazy bait?
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>>389903378
If you believe in good works being required for salvation you’re worshipping idols and not Christ. If you pray to dead people you’re worshipping idols not Christ. If you directly contradict the Bible when it comes to your religious ceremonies you worship idols not Christ. If you have idols all over your churches you worship idols not Christ.
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>>389905024
You worship a book you don't even understand, not christ.
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>>389905410
Imagine thinking the word of God is complicated to understand.
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>>389905597
Imagine ignoring "Faith without works is dead."
Imagine ignoring "If you love me, keep my commandments."
NGMI
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>>389906459
Imagine ignoring "You shall not make unto you any graven images."
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>>389905597
imagine being this arrogant
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>>389903378
That 1 preacher that gets posted here explains it pretty well and he quotes scripture with each explanation. 1 think he mentions is calling their preachers father (or some variation)
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>>389905024
This was also in the video as well.

Are you that preacher I mentioned in my other post?
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Orthodox Christians don't worship Jews
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>>389906850
imagine following a heretical mockery of the one apostolic church whose followers ignore miracles only given to Catholics
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>>389906850
I don't. You assume I'm a Catholic, I'm not. I have not been corrupted by Catholic or Protestant dogma. I am an independent follower of Jesus.
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>>389905024
Okay what's the true denomination then? Also KJV-only can fuck off.
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>>389905024
Imagine not praying to the holy mother of god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmiSTgPtLyM&ab_channel=AndreaBocelliVEVO
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>>389905024
You worship a man, not God.
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>>389906850
Why is the 9th commandment different in english? In spanish the 9th commandment reads "You shall not tolerate impure actions or thoughts"
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>>389903378
Because you're smelly, brown, and poor (pick 2 of 3)
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>>389903666
dont worry theyre well on their way to catching up, Satan
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>>389903378
based
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>this
i wonder what happened to the protestant churches and individuals that followed Jesus in there own way when the bomb went off in hiroshima.
pic related.. the priests were following the fatima message.
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>>389908860
>>389909560
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>>389903378
That tweet isn't proof of that, just saying
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>>389905024
no one cares about your interpretation of semitic sandnigger bullshit
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>>389909334
>Spanish Bible translators
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>>389909681
No, there were only a couple of wars the protestants waged that does prove it though.
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>>389909985
Good
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>>389903378
They believe the catholic church is the whore of Babylon and wants to start the new world order. The more hardline churches would probably accuse churches like >>389909512 of being corrupted by the jesuits
Check out chic tracts they are wild stuff. I'm not if I believe the catholic church is the NWO but they definitely do some shady shit.
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>>389909918
Don't take this the wrong way, but I trust a spanish/Italian/French translation of the bible a lot more than an English one.
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>>389903378
Because both catholic and orthodox Catholics worship idols,jews, and Satan meanwhile Protestant worship Christ himself.
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>>389905597
>word of God

Is christ not the TESTAMENTS of those who witnessed the Word
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>>389903378
>1pbtid
Sage
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>>389903378
>Why do Protestants not see Catholics and Orthodox Christians as "Christians"?
Because you literally aren't.
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>>389910141
>>389909918
Nevermind lol, I just read it in italian, it's a lot more similar to the english translation.
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>>389905024
>if its not in the book compiled by the Church over 200 years after the resurrection then it must be false, even if it's something that sane Church does
sigh... it's all so very tiresome. protestants are simply ignorant of history, they think the Bible fell out of the sky at pentecost or something baka
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why do christians not just kill themselves? world doesn't need religious zealots that become the zionists.
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>>389905024
Oh wow, someone gets it
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>>389906459

Imagine ignoring this verse:

1 Timothy 2:5
New International Version

5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,
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>>389903378
Honestly it's a pain in the arse being a convert from atheist parents.
>Catholics
>Idols, Venerating Mary even though Jesus himself placed no importance on her, Calling priests Father, Their own damned version of the wisdom of the elders, Vatican II.
>Protestants
>Editing scripture for sola scriptura, Faith without works, No tradition so you've got everything from sodomites to women leading churches and other modernist garbage, rampant zionism
I just can't win.
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>>389906459
He also says "be as perfect as your father in heaven" and "go and sin no more"; you are apparently not able to draw the difference between the free gift of God (salvation) and discipleship

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pcChH15ZF0
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Protestantism is the real catholicism.
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>>389910970
>>389911012
You are looking for NIFB
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>>389903378
>Why do Protestants not see Catholics and Orthodox Christians as "Christians"?
Because there is no pope in the Bible, and Jesus says specifically that your covenant is whoever you happen to be praying with, not some arbitrary building with a cross on it.
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>>389908860

Imagine believing pic happened.
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>>389910970
I keep my relationship with God personal
I know tradition and community are very important but it is so hard these days
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Imagine being a Seventh Day Adventist and disagreeing with everyone ITT.
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>>389911110
>No pope
>Gives peter the keys
>Tells peter to look after the flock
Prots don't realise the church existed from day 1 while their false doctrine only started a few hundred years ago...
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>>389911192
You dont believe God assumed his wife/mother to heaven?
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>>389911756
Book
Chapter
Verse
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In all seriousness much of Protestant sacrament is passed down from the Catholics. And I am grateful for the devotion of the scribes, carefully and painstakingly copying every letter.

I always smile and wave at a priest, and I think Catholic churches are beautiful. I'm grateful for the sacraments and my hero was at one time a monk.

I just want to make that clear before we're finished arguing.
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>>389911650
were Catholics the first Christians?
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>>389911876
Do you not believe in the Church Christ set up through Peter? See>>389911650

It is a dogma - divinely revealed that Mary was assumed into heaven.
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>>389912191
Yes. Catholic means universal. As the bible says. One God, one faith, one baptism.
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Because the jewish mind virus is designed to destroy people?
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>>389911756

I believe she got there the same way as everyone else, by faith in Jesus. God doesn't call the qualified, He qualifies the called.
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>>389903378
Because they’re a radical splinter sect.
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>>389912191
No. That would be the protestants. The only church unchanged for 2000 years.
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>>389906850

It literally says no gods beside him. Protestantism is the only one with the graven images commandment, and that's Muslim-tier. Gets your scripture right.

t. polytheist
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>>389912215
So its not in the bible

Also you brainlet miss the point of tha verse

Peters name means stone, but on this rock - the statement that christ is the son of God - is what the church is gonna be built on
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>>389912550
kek
>>389912632
oi m8. wut gods yoo worship dere m8? love me lughy boi, love me cernny man, h8 me saxneat and jesus boy simple as
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>>389912550
There were protestants when Jesus preached? I'm asking for the first chruch. The one that formed the moment Jesus died. What were they called?
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>>389911192
was peter crucified upside down?
oral tradition is important... not that a heretic knows anything about tradition.
it is also widely accepted by most christians and all Catholics that the woman clothed in the sun, moon at her feet, crown of 12 stars in revelation is the Virgin Mary.
>>389911876
>if its not explicitly written in language i understand it didnt happen
>>389912291
nice quip...but God literally qualified Mary to carry his Son...
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>>389903378
Protestants are the original Satanists. Protestantism teaches that the church is a business model and that god loves you exactly as much as the property you own is worth. Protestants literally worship Mammon. Protestantism teaches that the poor are poor for being rotten sinners and the rich are rich as a reward for their moral superiority from god himself. Protestants know nothing about Christian history or Christian law. All they know it money.
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>>389903378
They don't know any better. They don't even know the names of the (false teachers) people who started their "churches". Ask a protty if they are a Calvinist or a Wesleyan, and they just blink a few times. They have not been educated beyond "oh larp for Martin Luther" every October.
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>>389908860
Why wouldn't I just pray to God instead?
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>>389912632

My Catechism didn't have the graven images part.
1 No other Gods
2. do not use the Lord's name in vain
3. Remember the sabbath

And two commandments on coveting. I am completely ignorant on the graven image thing. Except reading it in the scripture.
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>>389912752
Yes. Protestants where the first christians.
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>>389911650
This is one hell of a stretch anon.
Are you a father?
Would your kids be your flock?
Would a congregation be a flock to a pastor?
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>>389912966
lel
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>>389912291
Yet she was qualified to bear God in her womb. Mary is a type of ark or covenant. There are many parallels to be seen between the two arks old and new.
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I see every real believer as a brother or sister in Christ regardless of denomination. But at the same time, I don't advocate anyone's man made embellishments and doctrines. Whether it was the original embellishment or today's cornucopia of degenerate apostacy pretending to be the faith. Anyone who follows Jesus is with me.. anyone who doesn't is lost.
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>>389912759
It is the Roman Catholic Churches position that Mary was perfect is it not?
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>>389907463
You mean Pastor Steven Anderson? Yeah... he has a high IQ and studies the bible, but he is definitely NOT someone you should follow. I listened to him for a year. He is full of himself. He also has too much hate for a real Christ follower. It's one thing to preach against the fags, but we are not allowed to hate them. Sorry but no. Love thy enemy.
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>>389903378
Because they have fallen for the biggest stumbling block in the Christian faith.
Pride.
Specifically the pride in one's works on earth as having any bearing on one's entrance into heaven, all who believe such will be cast into Hell because they rejected Christ.
That includes the Catholics and the Orthodox and most every kind of Christian you could name. Why do you think Christ said “Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it” if he anticipated organized religion to dominate the earth.
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>>389913104
yes, which is why she carried Christ.
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>>389912759
>nice quip...but God literally qualified Mary to carry his Son...

And He qualified Saul (Christian killer) to plant a bunch of churches

Even your first pope denied Him three times. Sure there isn't anything to suggest any impropriety with Mary but show me a verse to suggest she was in some way sinless.

>was peter crucified upside down?

Yes, I heard this he did not want to die in the same manner as the Messiah. I'm not denying that historical details aren't important. They certainly bring us to much greater understanding of the scripture.
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>>389913287
No protestant believes that. If it isnt in the bible it aint protestant. Simple as.
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>>389912652
And Peter would build it and be the head..... Hence why he was told to take care of the flock.

>Not in the bible
2 thess 2:15
So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

The things the Church teaches are part of the traditions and teachings as they come from apostolic succession.
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>>389913379
Yikes
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>>389908860
Praying to Mary implies she's omnipresent, which is blasphemy. Only God has that power. Not even the devil is everywhere at once. Catholics are brain damaged and devoid of common sense.
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>>389907463
>>389913212
The most telling incident I think that discredits Steven Anderson as a spiritual leader is the Baker incident, where a pastor whom Anderson personally ordained and vouched for was fired not one year later. Here's a good video if you can spare 2 hrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwwfCpvXnc
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>>389913487
It's all in the Bible.
Jeuss also says he is the door.
So strait is the gate....narrow is the path.....Jesus is the door....like it couldn't be more clear what they're saying. You need to have a ton of ego to ignore it
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worthless d&c thread.
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>>389912987
How is it a stretch? Jesus literally tells Peter he will give him the keys to bind and loose, and to feed his lambs and sheeps and to tend to them..
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>>389905024
If you believe Jesus said "EVERLASTING LIFE" than you must know those who have gone before us are still alive. If you believe Jesus said "... shall never taste death" than you must know Mary, Peter, James, John, Irenaeus, Aphrahat, and your great great grandma are still alive. And when Jesus said "you MUST eat my flesh and drink my blood" you might want to consider attending a church which can provide that for you. And Jesus did mention "those who hear the word of God and DO IT" so you do realize "do it" implies action = work.
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>>389913502
I could now post a verse saying you drop the word of god for the traditions of men, your mary worship contradicts scripture, but this discussion isnt even worth my time; burn in hell as much as you desire
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>>389913502

But, doesn't a writ of indulgence and refusal to translate the bible seem a bit drunk on power? And doesn't the Catholic church change over time, how do you reckon that?
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>>389913642
It's the Roman Catholic Churches position that one pray to dead people to interseed on your behalf in order to reduce your time in purgatory.
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Because Catholics pray to Mary, and exchange deeds for salvation. That’s not being Christian that’s a cult.
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>>389913686
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>>389903378
That shit never happened. Some Syrian nigger trying to score points
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>>389913806
That's what I just said.
>>389913813
That's called necromancy.
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>>389913742
Because that's like a Pastor telling his successor the same thing.
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>>389913772
>worship
Why are you prots like this? When the prophets fell down in 'worship' to eliah was it worship? When Abraham fell down on his face in "worship" to the people he bought his selpeuche from was it worship?
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>>389913770
See what I mean.
This guy is for sure getting the "depart from me" treatment at this rate.
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>>389910154
Modern Catholics worship Satan. Orthodox Catholics worship the Tao. Non-denomination worship Christ and the Tao. But, Protestants worship Mammon.
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Protestants are all heretics.
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>>389913777
>refusal to translate
What? The latin vulgate was an excellent translation. What are you trying to say?

Some traditions change. Ie more dogmas. Because they get revealed by God to his Church
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>>389913660
Gotta love friars and monks. God bless the religious.
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>>389907986
based, anon. Tomorrow is First Saturday.

The best thing you can do for yourself and your nation is to love God with all your heart and all your strength. Everything else will follow.

Our Lady said to Sister Lucia:
>I promise to assist at the hour of death, with the graces necessary for salvation, all those who, on the first Saturday of five consecutive months, shall
>confess;
>receive Holy Communion;
>recite five decades of the Rosary; and
>keep me company for fifteen minutes while meditating on the mysteries of the Rosary, with the intention of making reparation to me.

THIS IS TOMORROW

Read more: https://d2y1pz2y630308.cloudfront.net/2669/documents/2017/3/1st-Sat-CoR-12pg-Booklet-Color-21415-Item-26737.pdf
Find your nearest church: www.masstimes.org
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>>389912752
Christians
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>>389913893
Yikes anon.
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>>389910154

Lmao no . You fucking retard read a book and stop parroting shit you read on kikebook. You prots are a joke.
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>>389913905
>eliah
>abraham
Are they christian?
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>>389903378
The Orthodox see Catholics as misleaded and cúcktestants as retarded larpers.
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To the Catholics in this thread, please at least give this man a listen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVHHmCOjOg
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>>389906850

Prots don't even do baptism or believe in miracles lmfao. Pathetic.
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>>389909147
mashallah
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>>389914094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PhZZndeZng
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>>389914094
>Why I can't be a Roman Catholic
well, with a nose like that I would also be self-conscious but he can totally repent and be a Catholic.
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>>389913660
And thank you for the link. I will watch it. Good night, my based brother fren. Have a meme on me. I captured it in the wild.
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>>389913988

I can't argue with that. That's the problem, there is no way I will convince you or you will convince me. But I have seen fake Catholics trying to demoralize. For instance I've heard someone claiming to be Catholic say that God isn't infallible, that can't be Catholic, right?
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>>389913029
This. Imagine thinking the great and all-powerful God cares about which dumb human rituals you perform.
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Catholics are alright, except the vow of celebritycy. Forget that. The Protestant founders were former nuns and Padres.
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>>389914094
As a former Baptist who still enjoys Pastor Mike Winger, I can tell you this: He will be a Catholic before he dies. He is already halfway there. You should check out Scott Hahn.
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>>389913381
why do you believe peter was crucified upside down? it was never explicitly written that he was.
>>389913583
>aww sweaty
>>389913987
based
>>389914030
funny that none of the protestants itt wanna touch that post. or my post about how the only survivors in the immediate hiroshima blast zone attributed there survival to praying the Rosary daily.
props to knowing about first saturdays, get your scapular and Rosary and pray the little office.
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>>389914344

I actually do believe in the sacraments after all, especially baptism. After all, why would there be such a fuss about them in scripture?
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>>389914344
Ruski, you gotta go to mass. You are Russian. You are supposed to be Orthodox!
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>>389914585
Vain repetition like the heathens.
Try again
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>>389910926
Catholics will ignore this.
Place no man before me. Ok let me go to confessional.
Make NO image of ANYTHING in the heavens.
Lol ok, saint coins, mary, etc.

Theres a lot.
Also theres a reason all other denominations looked at catholics as the antichrist back in 1200s. For their brutal torture of christians.
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>>389908132
This is the way
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>>389914585
>the rosary
Literally copied from hinduism
>B B B B BUT MARY GAVE IT TO HIM IN A VISION
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>>389914732
Pray without ceasing
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>>389914512
I've probably listened to 10 hours while driving of him talking about Catholicism and I can safely say assume you're lying or just wrong.

I'd be happy to listen to your theory though.
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>>389914585
>why do you believe peter was crucified upside down? it was never explicitly written that he was.

Oral tradition, of course, I mean Luther was a monk, and Catholics had a monopoly on the faith for centuries. Our God is truth, so we can't just throw out what's true over resentment.

And now that I'm reading about it there is some extra biblical documentation. That and Jesus kind of told him he would be crucified in John 21.
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>>389914907
Your point?
>>389914888
This. No denominations.
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>>389914907
Yeah doesnt mean spam the same thing 24/7
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>>389914338
its not, most modern Catholics are closer to ecla lutherans than the council of trent
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>>389908132
This.
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>>389914907
Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

That is what your rosary is for. It's for virtue signaling that you pray. Which is why it's not in the Bible.
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>>389914344
You're severed from faith in Russia. Which is why your women behave like prostitutes and your men are meak and chase pennies.
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>>389914045
The point is even in the bible the word 'worship' doesn't always mean worship in the sense of worshipping God. The same is with Mary and the saints and angels.
>>389914338
>fake Catholics
Yeah watch out for them.
>You will know them by their works
A lot of modern Catholics do not want to accept a few things. I'll explain.

Yoga is a religion. Practicing yoga will lead you to hell. The church has taught for centuries, at least 900'years now. That heresy, apostasy and schism seperate one from the body of Christ. And someone who is not in the body cannot be pope.

So if a "pope' falls into heresy he is no longer pope. This is how i know Pope Pius 12th was the last pope. Though i still attend latin mass with valid priests (traditional ordained) because sacraments are important.
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>>389915114
>But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
They're brain damaged.
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>>389914585
>hiroshima
Interesting how the 2 nuked locations were huge areas of Catholics in japan. Really makes you think.
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>>389914833
Or how about...

Matthew 23:9

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
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>>389903378
they don't believe in the word of God but instead believe the word of men. that said, the vast majorityof protestants also have no grasp on the Bible. i don't judge the individual, as we are all brothers in Christ, but the Catholic and Orthodox churches are teaching blasphemy. they are organized churches that intentionally pervert the word of God.
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>>389914732
You fail to understand why the heathen pray and why Catholics pray. The nuance is important.
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Google “The Chosen” and watch.
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>>389915270
No difference. Both think their prayers will be answered if they repeat the same thing over and over. God already knows what you need.
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>>389915210
I understand the sentiment because I find them annoying too but remember we're all equally retarded humans who need to be corrected from time to time.
"but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
It's the one I fuck up the most for sure.
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>>389906459
Faith without works is dead. But salvation is of faith. Sanctification, however, requires not just work but the willingness to be made useful.
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>>389915114
>rosary is for. It's for virtue signaling
False. Virtue signalling is telling people you pray and intentionally praying in places where others can see you.

It was Mary herself who told us to pray the rosary.
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>>389915416
Clarification: one who finds salvation and does not continue to sanctification is a backslider, lukewarm, dead.
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>>389915001

It helps to know who is just claiming it to divide, at the end of the day I feel like enough blood has been shed over differences in Christian doctrine.
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>>389915359
Yikes. Tell me. The angels in heaven who pray "holy holy holy" all day every day. Are they in vain too?
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>>389915163
I dont think that what other religions consider worship or not has anything to do with christianity. Maybe you catholics do idk.
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>>389915449
Why do you need a symbol worn on your wrist to pray privately?
Please note Mary is just a woman and she doesn't supersede the Bible, even in Catholicism.
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>>389911650
This. Protestants are so fucking stupid it's unreal.
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>>389913642
No it doesnt, praying to "maria" or any other saints is not asking them for something, but asking them to intercede on your behalf with god.
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>>389914980
>doesnt know how to pray the Rosary
its nuts how the Rosary makes heretics absolutely seethe. literally ngmi.
>>389915449
accurate.
if you seek recognition and reward from man you will receive neither from God.
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>>389915114
Same could be said of wearing a cross necklace or allowing someone to see you holding a Bible. Adhering to the letter of the law and ignoring the spirit thereof is eating of the leaven of the pharisee.
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>>389915525
No, that's their job. That's what they were created for And notice how they're praising God and no one else.
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>>389915592
Catholics don’t realize their church that started on day one was twisted, perverted, and strayed over the years. It’s not what it used to be.
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>>389915661
That’s Jesus’ role and no one else’s
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>>389915661
pilpul
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>>389915163
>Though i still attend latin mass with valid priests (traditional ordained) because sacraments are important.

Exactly, I've been in the congregation with ultra-vain protestant pastors, working as hard as they can to be received as cool to their congregations. But what can you do. What about the administration of the Sacraments, it's God's word and the faith of the adherent for you as well, or does the Priest have to be holy?
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>>389915661
They can't hear you. Jesus is the only intercessor.
>>389915671
Show me the Bible verse where Jesus said pray the rosary.
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>>389915592
The churches are being guided by vile spirits. American Christianity has become nothing but spiritual oppression. Breaking them from the spirit of false religion is no easy task, they do not want to acknowledge that it is even possible that they could be mislead by a vile spirit. It's possible though, I'm averaging 1 per month.
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>>389915661
Literally talmudic treachery levels of mental gymnastics.
>>389915674
A rosery only exists to pray with or as an accessory. The fact that they are seen outside of closets and such is your proof it's for vanity.
As for cross necklaces, I agree. Carrying a Bible to read is fine but it's just a book, it's the ideas in the book that matter.
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>>389915566
Worrying about something, say money, amounts to worship.
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>>389915589
>Why do you need a symbol worn on your wrist to pray privately?
You use the rosary as a tool to count your prayers.
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>>389905024
Protestants are heretics and no amount of mental gymnastics will change that
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>>389915477
Seems like we believe the same things.

Salvation is of faith, true. But since faith without works is dead, you could also that that faith is of works. Not that we can ever be perfect, and as such our works will never be enough, but that we try seems to be a required part to me.

I'm not on either side in terms of caths vs prots, but it is very annoying to have prots say works is not a part of it, some even going so far as to say that doing works is equal to damnation. Especially when most prots are doing works, they just deny it. Possibly a semantics problem, but still, they should recognize that works are not evil, and also that they do them.

Telling people that they have to do nothing but believe seems like it may lead to being told, "I never knew thee."
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>>389915988

If you put it above God it's idolatry. Learned that in a Salvationist church.
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>>389916033
Is that what the pope is doing when he's waving it around and dangling it off his ears?
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>>389916178
There’s literally no gymnastics involved except the ones Catholics do to explain why they take the literal Word and change it to fit their feelings…. like progressives and faggot pronouns
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>>389905597
imagine thinking a mortal mind can fully comprehend God
you may as well read the Talmud with that level of arrogance
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>>389903378
St. Thomas the apostle brought Christianity to our ancestors and converted higher caste Hindus into first Christians in south India. This was the era when pagan europoops were still practising paganism while we were praising Jesus.
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>>389912215
Christ is the rock of the church not Peter. Read the fucking Greek and not your shitty Latin Vulgate corruption
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>>389916178
Catholics lost every war because of God and they're still losing. Even though Luther and many other Protestants didn't have all the answers, Catholics continue to lose. Catholics tried so hard to stop the spread of the gospel. They seethe to this day because they can't kill people over it.
>the gates of hell won't prevail against it
There are faggots in the Catholic Church. Therefore it's not the true church.
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>>389915926
Yes. But my point is if you are carrying a Bible openly then you are signaling "hey I might be praying even now!". Ultimately my point, though, is Ecclesiastes. All is vanity including arguing whether or not something is vanity. I have my gripes with the catholic church, but I have just as many concerns about the practices I've seen in protestant churches. And those problems overlap, to be honest. What I've seen is churches that only teach the letter of the law. Or mention the spirit but never really explain it. Or explain it but not teach people how to reach for it. The crux of the matter being that each individual church uses the prospect of being labeled a heretic as a means to prevent people from actually trying to grow towards God in a fruitful way. When was the last time you saw a church able to call the Holy Spirit into the room without a 6 man band or a choir?
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>>389916421
explains why india is a shithole and europe conquered the stars , all that early christian influence
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>>389915589
You can use your fingers to pray the rosary.
>>389915661
Based. They don't realise. Here's an example.

You ask a king something. Yes the king can hear you but if the kings mother asks him in your behalf he's more likely to act. See queen mother in the OT.
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>>389915681
The heathens had to pray to their gods in a certain manner and on certain days.
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>>389906459
Imagine unironically worshiping a rabbi and following his grift
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>>389916586
heathen here and can confirm. tis why all the week days are named after gods and deities, its supposed to be better to pray to the sun on sun day for example. plays a big role in astrology and rituals as well, gets fucking confusing honestly
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>>389909512
My dude, that was a painting at a Washington 'catholic' University. Everyone knows American Catholicism is overseen by woke jesuits who hate their congregations. Just like every other American institution.

I'll take having to put up with the old ladies who knitt me socks and jumpers every year complain about how the yanks are losing their way every Sunday, if it means I don't have to bow to a tranny flag and listen to a 'pastor' tell me how much jesus wants me to give my kids hormone blockers.
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>>389915848
As i see it. A valid priest is a proxy for Christ. All the powers the priest has eg absolution is really just Christ absolving you through his minister.
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>>389916526
That's some Babylonian tier Nimrod/Samuramis worship lol. Catholics truly are pagan.
>>389916586
Like Catholics. Mary and the saints are your gods. You claim they have the same power as Jesus (blasphemy) being everywhere at once, all knowing, and able to answer prayers, even give salvation. Repent.
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>>389915507
>I feel like enough blood has been shed over differences in Christian doctrine.
agreed
>>389915721
>church day one was twisted and perverted
false, it was imperfect maybe, because the apostles werent perfect.
>strayed over the years
yes
>>389915858
i cant. and if thats your only criteria then i guess enjoy going to battle against evil with no weapon.
if you are the least bit open ill point you towards mt. carmel (brown scapular), Guadalupe (10m+ aztec converted to Catholicism) and fatima (fatima had 50,000+ eye witnesses). if your very open ill point you to the lives of st. faustina and st. padre pio

bless you all, even the heathens.
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Peter means a rock. Tyre also means a rock. Hmmmm...
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I was raised Catholic.

I legitimately have no idea what the difference between all these different groups is or why we're supposed to dislike each other.
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>>389916526
The problem is counting your prayers.....actually it is, vain repetition.
The problem is wearing the thing advertising you do vain repetition as part of your worship of the God who said not to do the vain repetitions.
>>389916494
>each individual church uses the prospect of being labeled a heretic as a means to prevent people from actually trying to grow towards God in a fruitful way.
That hit the human part of my brain really hard but the other part of my brain is like, well yeah, the church that is 100% correct whether that be Catholic or Mormon or nondenominational or Scientology or whatever would behave the exact same way.
You label heretics heretics.
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>>389916178
>heretics
Only members of the faithful can be heretics. Most prots haven't been baptized making them infidels.
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>>389916704
and this is the problem. You do not need a proxy to Jesus, period
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>>389916236
Yes, but even on a minor level it's worship. And yet, if you stop worrying about money and simply trust that somehow it will work out, "miraculously" it tends to work out. The Lord asks for a heart free of worry, doubt, guilt, shame, anger, etc. The secret places of the heart are what concerns Him most. And He comes like a lamb. If you are stressed can you convince a flighty animal that it is safe for it to come to you? No, you'd probably need a lasso. But, if you are entirely peaceful, you can call it and eventually it will come over to see what you are doing.

This is among the things that the churches leave out of their sermons.
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>>389916668
>that wasnt REAAAAAL catholicism tho, bro
okay dude
heres some authentic euro catholicism then
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>>389916238
>Why do Gods ministers glorify God
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>>389916715
Put on the whole armor of GOD, not MARY. Jesus is the only weapon you need as stated in the bible. You should read it more.
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>>389905024
>If you believe in good works being required for salvation you’re worshipping idols and not Christ.

Is this the yank cope for being a sinner their entire life so they can cope with the fact they wont be getting into heaven?
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>>389916715
The Pope has been systematically destroying the church and you say it’s not perverted? It totally is.
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>>389903378
The catholic/orthodox/many protestant churches teach works based salvation (a false gospel) and lead churchgoers into hellfire. The 11 minute video linked below in the post is the gospel that can save you from hell and get you into heaven if you believe it. You can't work your way to heaven by repenting of your sins, by giving your life to christ, by getting water baptized, or by doing the sacraments. Salvation is by believing the gospel, it has nothing to do with human works.

The Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3uF0juIVI

Once Saved Always Saved - a MUST WATCH sermon for people doubting their salvation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtpxS0TRFSs&ab_channel=NewIfb

documentary explaining why Christ rejecters that say they're Jews are not God's chosen people. talmudic judaism is depraved, evil, and satanic. And it has nothing to do with Christianity no matter what the satanic shills on /pol/ would say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxWdKAUsPVI
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>>389903378
Cathocucks and Orthodogs will go to hell for worshipping idols.
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>>389903378
i don´t see anyone as human that doesn´t believe in jesus christ being the son of god who came in the flesh and rose from the dead while doing sick magic tricks and being spooky.
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>>389916433
>the fucking Greek and not your shitty Latin Vulgate
Ngmi. Why dont you understand that Peter still built the church on the rock, Christ or peter. Either way, keys and tending to the flock.
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>>389916847
what is the pope doing man

kiss the hand

wtf
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>>389916715
>bless you all, even the heathens.
aw, thanks
still not converting, still gonna make blood offerings to Wotan next wednesday
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>>389916847
Aint this the shit that Jesus did tho? Love all your children and shit. Orthodoxy is the only Christianity but this is a christ like thing to do. The problem is would he kiss white feet ?
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>>389916704

Makes sense, Luther's explanation skips this entirely by making it about the word of God while being dispensed unworthily by its' administer. And then he quotes St. Augustine.
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>>389905024
>the book and nothing but the book also i edited the book!!!
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>>389917050
i remember him exorcising demons i dont remember the footplay
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>>389905024
Look at this retard, there’s the Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church that have taught the way it’s supposed to be for almost 2,000 years before you protty kikes came up with this new theology
>>389912805
This, don’t forget it was Protestants that first accepted mass usury in Europe thru those fucking Jewish kike kidfuckers
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>>389903378
They do, you nigger. Protestants in general accept all christian denominations. It's caths who don't think prots are christian
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>>389916811
Yea you could do that. Or you could lead by example and show said heretic the fruit of the Spirit and cause them to come back from their fall. How many people have a red letter Bible? How many actually incorporate those highlighted words into their lives? Every word spoken by Jesus was commandment and instruction. The truth shakes every unworthy structure down and shows the faults in an unworthy foundation. No need for lies, manipulation or threats.
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>>389916906
you certainly aren't doing the works of God while openly admonishing your brothers in Christ. 1 John 5:1
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>>389916840

Amen.
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>>389917128
Jesus started Christianity. Constantine started Catholicism. Christians came first. Pagans came before catholics though. Your cult is technically the youngest.
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>>389916877
In a perfect world sure.
We live in the one where pedos can sneak into your church in guise of holy men of God though.
Forgive a heretic who sees the light or is even interested? Of course.
Let heretics run wild? Who does that benefit but heretics?
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>>389917176
You haven't met all that many American Prots then. The mainstream denominations are relatively fine (anything above like 5% in terms of demographics) but there are dozens of retarded strip mall churches that insist their version of Christianity is the only possible truth.
Pol even used to shill one just cuz he didn't like Jews.
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>>389916665
Sunday is the day of our Lord because he rose on that day.
>>389916712
>That's some Babylonian tier Nimrod/Samuramis worship lol. Catholics truly are pagan.
That comes from freemasons. 33rd degree mason albert pike said the number 1 enemy of masonry is the Catholic Church. Really makes you think.
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>>389916847
Yeah... cus jesus never showed his love for his flock by doing anything regarding their feet.

This image is only upsetting to you because it awakes your innate murican non denominational urge to worship brown people, like your pastor said you should during the GF riots.
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>>389917128
many people tried to worship Jesus Christ outside of Catholic dogma. they were persecuted, killed, tortured, etc. just because the Catholic church was willing to kill anyone that questioned their dogma, doesn't mean they are good stewards of the teachings of Christ.
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>>389916811
It's not vain. You believe it's vain because you do not believe your prayers are heard.

Dont forgot the virals of incense in heaven which are our prayers... Our prayers have meaning.
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>>389916704
Christ becoming the High Priest removed the need for priesthood. You can't go directly to Jesus Christ for forgiveness? Or to ask him for healing? Who do you think you are? Who are you to the Lord? Regain the relationship you were made for.
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>>389917419
Anderson is based and would probably bully you for dissing him on the sneak tho
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>>389916821
>Failing to understand sacraments.
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>>389916433
>Christ is the rock of the church not Peter. Read the fucking Greek and not your shitty Latin Vulgate corruption
The irony...
>Peter is a common masculine given name. It is derived from Greek Πέτρος, Petros (an invented, masculine form of Greek petra, the word for "rock" or "stone")
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>>389917438
calm down bro i didnt even mention constantine being a former sun cultist and making sunday the new sabbath day or anything, i just said sunday is the day of the sun. which is true and well known to anyone who studies latin. monday is moon day, tuesday is tyrs day (his name is tues in anglo saxon)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_the_days_of_the_week
the romans and greeks started this trend and it spread to many other pagan cultures like the english and germans . neat huh?
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>sola scriptura
>removes part you don't like

Protestants are a joke since day one.
Don't like them
Don't respect them
They worship money
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>>389912191
no, because Catholics didn't exist until the 4th century.
People don't understand, to the Romans, that Christian was as much an expletive as nigger is now.
So Christians existed following the apostles and their selection through to Constantine. He started the catholic church.

The First Council of Nicaea (/naJˈsiːə/; Ancient Greek: Νίκαια [ˈnikεa]) was a council of Christian bishops convened in the Bithynian city of Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey) by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325.
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>>389917128
catholicism is satanic, there is only one true church and that's traditional unchanged orthodoxy, if you say otherwise is heresy
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>>389917528
You don't understand my stance.
I agree with the Bible that when you pray, it's mostly a private thing to be done for your benefit. God already knows what you need and you don't need to wear a special bracelet to show you pray.
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>>389917419
I know, i have met some, but i would count all those as sects.
Just like Jehova's Wtinesses are not christian, neither are they.
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>>389917438
All religions aside from Christianity come from Babylon. In fact, Catholics still use the statue of Mary holding Jesus which came from Samuramis holding Tamuz (the reincarnation of Nimrod). It was an incestuous relationship and a middle finger to God to mock the father, son, and holy ghost. You all have the nerve to call Mary the queen of heaven just like they did. Then you claim you're Christian. You're lost.
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>>389917571
BASED anderson
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>>389903378
They are faggots. In the villages here the people chase them away with sticks and pitchforks because their faggotry must not be allowed to take root under any circumstance
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>>389914138
There's a protestant denomination that's literally called Baptist, you stupid fucking pope worshiper.
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>>389903378
>caring what amerisharts think
Give them some corn and they’ll go back to sleep
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>>389905024
Idols are a physical form of a deity. Now what is christ? What is the cross? God is neither human nor physical
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>>389917698
It's a really weak talking point.
Anderson never aligned with /pol/ on race, just Israel
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>>389917537
>>You can't go directly to Jesus Christ for forgiveness?
How do you know what the sins are? Especially in the modern world?
Would you still be wise enough to ask for forgiveness?
Did you know there are only 2 references to masturbation as a sin in the bible, and they are oblique? One calls it the solitary sin and the other is god striking someone down for pulling out.
>>Or to ask him for healing?
You aren't asking the priest for healing. Confession is to help contain the moral relativism of a changing society.
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>>389917609
Tyrus is also a rock.
Hebrew: צור צר
Transliteration: tsôr tsôr
Pronunciation: {tsore} tsore
Definition: a rock;

what's your point?
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>>389917609
>>389916433
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>>389917716
not that anon but ive heard 4 different protestant christians say that baptism is a creepy pagan ritual that has nothing to do with christianity. now, im usually all for that kinda thing, but im pretty sure baptism is in the bible.....
not every protestant is baptist yknow, theres a billion weird little sects all with their own stupid schizo beliefs
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>>389905024
Jesus was a muslim
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>>389917793
then what worth is he? imagine needing some retarded baptist pastor to tell you to hate jews
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>>389917812
You were the one who brought up Greek, so you tell me.
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>>389917639
meanwhile the Catholic church has stolen countless pieces of history and hid them from the children of God, inside their own personal fortress...
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>>389917942
most of which are pagan artifacts, so i have more reason to be upset than you
where booba idol
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>>389917893
His holocaust video is the nicest and normie friendliest I've ever seen and he's got some excellent documentaries. I've played them at work in front of my boss.
If you want to toss that out because he doesn't hate blacks like most people that's on you.
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>>389905024
Look up what Martin Luther believed about Mary. Protestants don't even understand the first thing about their own Church, let alone older, more theological sound Churches rooted in the traditions of the apostles
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Do you believe ascending the Scarla sancta on your knees confers any kind of merit with God to you
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protestantism is killing real Christianity, and that is a good thing
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>>389918106
well i included the pic so I'll say it even tho it got edited out.
most of /pol/ are mutts and should not everyone aligns with themselves on race
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>>389905024
Year right FUCKING KEK THIS LIAR KIKE SEETHES OR WHAT?
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>>389917919
He probably means there are several references in the bible where Jesus is portrayed as the rock or the "chief cornerstone". During Dan's interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, Jesus was literally the rock that destroyed the statue of the major civilizations of the world.
So it's obvious that Jesus is referring to himself as the rock when he was talking to Peter.
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>>389917794
>Did you know there are only 2 references to masturbation as a sin in the bible

But what are you masturbating to?

Matthew 5:28

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’[e] 28 But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
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>>389903378
Protestant are trash. Thst religion spawned all the great autism in thr world today and completely destroyed Europe.
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>>389917215
I follow the left-hand path, bruv.
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>>389916906
It’s a Protestants justification for living a sinful life because they think only calling themselves Christian is good enough.
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>>389918106
>he showed pastor anderson to his boss
next i bet youll try to redpill the local based nigger with some of his clips , wow, youre on a roll, bro
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>>389906850
So Protestant can commit adultery according to their scripture ?
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>>389918259
Catholics have gameified repentance and removes all meaning
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>>389918191
>most of /pol/ are mutts
yeah, like you. thats why you have no problem with niggers like cuckold anderson . how soon until hes outted as a fag?
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>>389918259
>Jesus isn't powerful enough on his own to help us refrain from sinning
Catholics are more blasphemous than islamists.
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>>389917794
>how do you know the sin
If you think you've misstepped but don't know how or why... ask Him? Who taught you how to pray? Throw that garbage out, speak to Him as you would a family member. And healing come ONLY from Jesus Christ.
>Moral relativism of a changing society
Ah yea let's just go throwing lies and justifying sin into our ministry. Weeeew

>masturbation
That's another thing that is left so woefully unexplained by the churches it's not even funny. It's not that playing with yourself is a sin. It's the thought behind it. There is not a secret held in the mind nor the heart that the Lord can't see. If you are beating your meat with the thought that you do so in secret it is denying the Lord, which moves you away from Him.
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>>389918044
how do you know what is hidden in the Vatican? your have absolutely no idea because there's no reason to trust a church that isn't open and honest with it's followers.
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>>389918229
And if the definition of adultery gets fucked enough from decades of kikes shifting words around?
Just look at what they managed to do with muzzies and their supposed built in gold standard.
A strong institution that is able to keep the creep of relativism away is beyond value.
Just look at all the random denominations that have formed since then. They can't all be right.
Nor can they give every soul a chance to be reached.
This is the point of the priesthood. To preserve the sacred traditions.
Martin Luther did not approve of what he created by the end of his life just so you know.
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>250 posts of pointless christcuckery shitflinging
/pol/ is ngmi
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>>389918555
ive been there. i seen it all. even the mystical onion ring of christ, which he used to wed Saint Catherine of Sienna to himself
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>>389903378
and then everybody clapped
that priest's name?
Albert Einstein
edit: thanks for the gold, kind stranger!
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>>389918152

But, can't make it an article of faith. Hey, blessed is she among women, amirite?

"There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith... It is enough to know that she lives in Christ."-Martin Luther
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>>389918555
The pope is a coward that boastfully calls himself "Vicar of Christ" yet hides behind bodyguards and bulletproof glass. What's he afraid of?
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>>389918382
Nick's Catholic.
Anderson has like 8 kids.
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>>389903378
Religious people are so stupid and dull
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>>389903378
Because they're prideful, arrogant people who think they're better than Jesus. They think Jesus failed to set up a church, they think the Holy Spirit failed to guide the church, and it took protestants coming along 1500 years later to finally get it right.
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>>389918759
how many will marry niggers and gooks?
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>>389918783
THE BOOK SAYS YOU MUST KNEEL WHILE NIGGERS DISRESPECT YOU
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>>389912805
Where do you get this nonsense? Also, I thought it was our dumb heathen ancestors who worshipped actual gods of Europe that were the Satanists to you anti-European pope-suckers.
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>>389917824
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>>389918569
I haven't seen a denomination yet that is beyond reproach. I've seen individual churches that teach what the others leave out, but a whole denomination? No.
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>>389918845
american christians and their nigger obsession gives me nausea
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>>389903378
Same reason jews dont consider any of them tobe human
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>>389918844
Statistically?
1 or 2 of them. Racemixing isn't a real thing, it's hard enough getting multiple races together to order food, let alone marry.
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>>389905024
The idea of faith alone without works is a misnomer. How can you say you've full faith, if you're not acting in what Christ commands you to do?

If you've true faith in Christ, you will carry his message and and will.
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>>389915219
Not really it's historically one of the larger centers of maritime trade alongside Nagasaki, and deliberate efforts were made to avoid leveling Kyoto and Tokyo as to preserve Japan's cultural heritage. Its proximity to the southern tip of Japan made it the logical point to set up operations from the Philippines and Indonesia, plus we were largely confined to that region as a policy until the English conspired with the shogun to expel us after the end of the Sengoku Jidai. It's also the reason why Kyushu was a hotbed of rebellion in the subsequent years, notably the Catholic peasant uprising in the 1600s, which later became the catalyst for the Meiji revolution.
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>>389912870
Why would it matter? But anyway, Calvanists definitely know that they're Calvanists.
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>>389918487
>>If you think you've misstepped but don't know how or why... ask Him?
And he uses people within his ministry to give you an answer. If you pray for an answer you have to listen to the world around you, waiting for God to give you insight.
>>Ah yea let's just go throwing lies and justifying sin into our ministry. Weeeew
Can you read? I said:
Confession is to help CONTAIN the moral relativism of a changing society.
>> It's not that playing with yourself is a sin. It's the thought behind it.
Jesus only referred to adultery and lust of women as the sin? What if someone is fucked in the head enough to beat it to cars?
Where does it say that's wrong in the bible?
You need a priesthood to help you infer from scripture. God created a Church, not personal spirituality. The disciples would have never been necessary with your way.
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>>389918942
christians seem pretty keen on forcing it, lets hope youre right about those odds . i guess we will know in 20 years
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>>389918860
He's not entirely wrong. Not entirely right either. Half truths are a satans favorite plaything.
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>>389918161
> no answer
And after holy mother church spent millions of gold transporting every step from Jerusalem to Rome and got so many monks to knee walk that they wore down the stone
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Protestants are secular heretic faggots that belong on a cross
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>>389918880
>>I haven't seen a denomination yet that is beyond reproach
Sure, but that doesn't mean you stop trying to refine your understanding.
Leaving something out because its inconvenient is exactly that.
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>>389903378

The jew religion was not jewish enough for protestants so they sought to remove all non-jewish elements from it.
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>>389905024
This makes the Catholic seethe, but it shouldn't. CATHOLICS - accept your polytheistic nature. Protestants are right that you have a lot in common with neo-pagans on the New Right. Stop saying Jews are God's chosen people and join your European brothers and sisters in rejecting the rule of the Jew and his Protestant slaves.
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>>389906850
And yet most protestants still fail the 4th commandment
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What is the reason behind he massive amount of posts about religion those last few days? Are we experiencing a longing for the religious (spiritual) thought? I've seen massive interest on Twitter too.
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>>389919006
The disciples were necessary to make more disciples. Which goes back to that red letter Bible that no one fucking reads. The great commission is a commandment. Go forth, baptize and make disciples of men. But no, now it's only for the cool kids club? No, I will continue making disciples of the common man, as Jesus Christ commanded. The priesthood can seethe.
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>>389918971
This. A fucking jap knows his christianity better than a burger. Figures.
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>>389919290
were witnessing the rebirth of a God before our very eyes. its beautiful. I have cried tears of blood for years now, and seen of this coming. The rebirth of God
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>>389917838
Maybe you dumb fucks shouldn't be making blanket statements about all protestants then. And you've literally never heard a protestant say that. You're a lying fucking faggot.
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>>389919178
Jews are the perfect symbolism for humanities fallen state. That's why God chose to use them.
Who else would reject it all so thoroughly and hypocritically?
And how repentance can be possible for anyone if desired.
There is a reason Satan focused on them the most. He enjoys perverting creation.
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>>389918569
>Martin Luther did not approve of what he created by the end of his life just so you know.

“Under the Pope, people were very fervent in building churches . . . Now that the true religion is taught, and that the people are properly instructed concerning good works, everybody is cold, so much so that we cannot help being surprised at it.”

But he did still call it 'true religion'. But, I get it. Protestantism isn't without its' faults. How could it be when man is born to sin.
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>>389919399
i wasnt the one who made those blanket statements, and yes i did hear protestants say those things lmao. we were watching that faggy the boys show on amazon, not my suggestion the christcucks btw, and they were going on about how baptism was evil and pagan. me, a pagan, had to tell them that jesus was baptised in the bible himself. embarrassing. sorry you dont wanna believe it
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>>389919290
Because Jesus is assembling His church for the end days. SGHTF
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Catholic confession is a way to technically fulfil The requirement to confess your sin without bringing on the consequences of being exposed. what’s even the point
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>>389919079
Of course. If you look through my posts I'm in no way defending protestant churches, they are way off the mark. But, the catholic church is not doing what it ought either. The good thing is, a church building is not necessary to teach people how to grow and build a relationship with Jesus Christ that defies the corruption of the church's. The true church is the body of those who keep his commandments. Period.
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>>389918349
Yes, it was written to allow the king's adultery.
It's the america sunna
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>>389919312
>>The disciples were necessary to make more disciples.
Sounds like there is structure in what you describe. You could perhaps even call it a priesthood?
>>Which goes back to that red letter Bible that no one fucking reads.
Who formed your bible? You don't think there has been disagreement on what should be included?
Who kept the Gospel of Thomas or Peter out?
>>But no, now it's only for the cool kids club?
The cool kids club decides if there is communion with the rest of the body. Every single group can be defined by what it excludes and includes, even yours.
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Christianity is seeing an overwhelming resurgence thanks to deplorable footment, such Soros, Fink and (Insert Jewish criminal here). They're doing incredible things for the wellbeing of the world. Obviously, not in their masters' favor. Organize locally, buy locally and get polically active. They only have this power because of Boomers not caring about anything other than what's on TV next week.
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>>389918971

Blessing to you, Japan bro.
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>>389919392
Blessed. I've always been Catholic but I was mostly disinterested those last few years. Out of nowhere, I became interested again, and now I'm completely devoted to God.
>>389919556
Amen.
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>>389919786
not a catholic or a christian but yes, there is a zeal in the air. i think people are sick of demonworld and samsaric delusions

TO DESTROY THE BARBARIANS, TO BURN THEM TO ASH, WE PRAY
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>>389919399

Checked. Also, Salvation Army doesn't Baptize, which is funny because their adherents, soldiers, lieutenants, and captains (probably even their General) will often go get dunked somewhere else.

It's really hard to know the scripture and then not get baptized.
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>>389919402
God didn't choose to use Jews, or to elect them as teachers of humanity, or whatever. Here is a fact that is usually obscured from Christian eyes
>There is not a single piece of conclusive evidence that Judaism predates Plato
So everything that happened in the Bible either
>A) took place during a time of reasonably good record keeping and we should have all sorts of secondary testimony
OR
>It was made up
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>>389919578
>>But, the catholic church is not doing what it ought either.
Sure, but that doesn't mean you abandon an organization all together.
There have been many important reformers throughout the history of the Church.
>> The good thing is, a church building is not necessary to teach people how to grow and build a relationship with Jesus Christ
Sure, but you need a common understanding of what that relationship looks like, and how to decide if something isn't helping to grow that relationship.
>>The true church is the body of those who keep his commandments. Period.
And who has kept those things obvious? Language has heavily changed within that time period.
Community and organization comes naturally to people. Even the Kingdom of God has hierarchy. Why should we not attempt to do the same, even if deeply flawed.
Humans going solo are naturally weaker.
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>>389903378
People are retarded and egotistical at the same time. Every faction has people with this problem, they care more about their identity than what's important, following Christ.
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>>389919578
you'll know a good church. Revelation told us about the 7 churches (7 being the number of completeness, thus all the churches) and only 2 found favor. those churches taught about the synagogue of satan being those that claim to be of Judah, but are not. does the Catholic church teach about the synagogue of satan? does the orthodox church teach this? no.
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>>389919652
Teaching a man to be a fisher of men is structure?
>who formed your Bible
Oh, makes sense now. You don't have the Holy Spirit. The Word of the Living God is itself Living. No man is stronger or wiser than he and no truth can be covered. He who has an eye and an ear has no cause for the concerns you speak of.

Now that I understand where you are I will pray for you, hopefully you appreciate that God comes as a thief in the night and pay attention.
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>>389918442
Enjoy your Sunday service in a leased out mall store, prot.
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>>389920020
this is why i only attack the church and never the followers. we are all brothers in Christ at the end of the day.
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>>389919568

James 5:16
New International Version

16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.

In Protestantism we call this 'Spiritual Counseling' also there are altar calls, the band is playing so no one else can hear you. Unless you want to do a circle group, it's also pretty healing.
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>>389920007
>>God didn't choose to use Jews, or to elect them as teachers of humanity, or whatever.
Examples of what not to do is more like it.
Their rejection of the messiah is symbolic for the human condition. To try and elevate themselves over the divine.
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>>389920155
For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
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>>389905024
Any statue or symbol is not an idol, this is retarded.

People need to focus on Matthew more, it's really the foundation of everything.

Matthew 7:3-5

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
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>>389920226
I'm resisting my urge to just start vomiting redpills at you. Are you Catholic?
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>Tell "once saved always saved" people that going to concert is IDOLATRY
>They all start to demon screech "reee works salvationists, how dare you, you think you are sinlessly perfect?! heretic!!"

Damn bro, just letting you know being a marvel fan and attending concerts to see your favorite music artist is idolatry. For real, this once saved always saved thing has to be false, those people behave like they are demon possessed sometimes
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>>389920131
>> You don't have the Holy Spirit. The Word of the Living God is itself Living. No man is stronger or wiser than he and no truth can be covered. He who has an eye and an ear has no cause for the concerns you speak of.
You're literally going off something formed by hundreds of thousands of people over 2 millennia. Even the disciples vigorously debated and prayed over the correct direction to take. God has given few people true insight. That is why there have been so many schisms. Even amongst your own congregations.
Believing that you alone can decide what should be taught is pride. A sin. Vanity.
You are not holy enough to decide these things alone. No one is. Besides one.
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>>389920457
not christian dont get christian theology but the once saved always saved thing sounds like a scam to me christbros
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>>389917071
Luther also cut the book of james but it destroys their false doctrine.
>>389917537
Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. [
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>>389920558
OSAS:
>"We dont have to keep Jesus commandment, do anything he told us, only believe he rose from the dead and now we are guaranteed to go to heaven, even if we fornicate everyday, steal and even murder daily"

This atheist rekt modern christianity:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLOUWl-L-s&ab_channel=NonStampCollector
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>>389920377
Please do start vomitting them.
I'd like to hear.
And yes, I am.
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>>389917571
Anderson is not based.
https://youtu.be/3lwwfCpvXnc

This video completely destroyed his heretical false doctrine. I do not support everything vaticancatholic says but this video is extremely well made in refuting prots/anderson.
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>>389917665
>Wear a special bracelet
Clearly you dont know what you're talking about.
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>>389920007

Memory is actually more powerful than you think. If you look into memory exercises and methods of memorization it's a fact that lay-people can remember accurately a lot of information. This is lost in a world of google maps, internet searches, calculators, and cell phones because our memory is outsourced. Many of the great epics were written from oral tradition.
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>>389917686
>Fallon for freemasons heresy
Yikes.
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>>389919568
It's pharisee tier letter of the law pilpul. It provides a way to "let your secrets out" while keeping them secret. Meanwhile the secret places of the heart and mind are open books to the Lord so any thought concerning secrecy is sinful. To a degree at least. The real thing is that it makes the group the proxy. Group prayer is not a bad thing, neither is confessing in a group prayer, but one does not need a group to go to the Lord and ask forgiveness and counsel for how to avoid sinning like that again or to be helped to grow toward God. Anyone could do it, but as things stand most simply won't do it, so the church being the proxy is a sort of way to twist their arm to let others walk them through it. Not entirely a terrible thing but it is sad that the truth winds up being a complete mystery to these sorts because they are just unwilling to put in any effort towards growth.

I've been exploring how to reach these types of people with pretty interesting success. A little bit of intercession goes a long way.
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>>389918365
>Never read a catholic catechism before
Your penance doesn't count with God if you don't truely repent.
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>>389918971
Based nipon bro. Remember how jews nuked your Catholic cities.
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>>389920929
Dimond:
>"Full veneration of mary is necessary for salvation"
Anyway, Steven anderson acts if he is demon possessed, jumping on pulpits, screaming often, what a mean angry person, you just know something is wrong with him. I don't pin him as a born again Christian.
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>>389905024
1. "Pray" literally means "ask". It does not mean worship. Centuries ago someone at a dinner table might say "pass the potatoes, I pray thee". Praying to saints does not equal worship. If you ask someone to pray for you, that's not worship. That's asking a friend to pray for you.
2. "Contradict the Bible". Sola scriptura isn't even the Bible. A book which you don't understand by the way. Which group do you think is better equipped to interpret the Bible anyway? The Catholic Church, founded by Jesus with Peter as first pope, and which compiled the Bible in the first place? Or one of the thousands of Protestant schisms, some founded as late as the 20th century by proven false prophets, such as the SDAs or the so called JWs (both of whom think Jesus is just an archangel because they use an incomplete Bible, take poetic language literally, apparently can't read the whole Bible, and stupidly think there is only one archangel? The JWs even explicitly say they believe that Jesus isn't God.)
Protestants just don't make sense. Some have their hearts in the right place. But many just seem to believe in talking smack on the Mother of God, talking smack on the real church, and many Protestants don't even believe in the Divinity of Christ. Go to any Catholic Mass and you will plainly see and hear the worship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
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>>389921237
I don't agree with everything diamond says. But mary herself told us to pray the rosary. Someone who truely prays it will keep on the path of Christ.
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>>389921068
>>389919568

You're only accountable to God, there's no point in confessing your sins to other people, confessing to God and then repenting to God is what you should be concerned with. Also God demands forgiveness from everyone, it seems like you want people to be resentful of the sinner as a punishment.
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>>389914344
Imagine thinking an all powerful God is limited to seeing the world only in its grandeur and not for every fine detail.
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>>389921068
>>but one does not need a group to go to the Lord and ask forgiveness and counsel for how to avoid sinning like that again or to be helped to grow toward God.
Yes, but again, how do you keep those things consistent? There are constant arguments about even translating to different current languages. Let alone getting context from something over a millennia ago.
Believing that God has given you true insight while ignoring your own peers ignores the history and virtues of community. We each only have the capability to truly understand bits and pieces.
Otherwise, all of the people who have the Holy Spirit in them (and there are many) would come to the same relative conclusion. That is not the case.
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>>389920904
Well, since you're already Catholic most of my work is done. But the main redpill is that Judaism was created in toto during the struggle over who would control Alexander's empire after he died. Nobody had his natural leadership, so to justify their rule they looked to religion. They took Canaanite myths (basically local religion) and gave them structure based on Greek philosophy. In this new religion, society is run by priests "chosen by God" (for legitimacy) while awaiting the 'coming Messiah' (Philosopher-King from Plato).
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>>389921273
>Some have their hearts in the right place. But many just seem to believe in talking smack on the Mother of God, talking smack on the real church, and many Protestants don't even believe in the Divinity of Christ. Go to any Catholic Mass and you will plainly see and hear the worship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I've been in quite a few denominations (even megachurches) and haven't seen one deny the Divinity of Christ, 'talk smack' on the Virgin Mary. etc... The most egregious thing I've seen is removing baptism for making soldiers (Salvation Army).
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>>389921596
I'd like some proof of that please?
Even random copypasta pol likes to save and present as proof.
I was promised redpills, not conjecture.
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>>389921026
As the story goes, of course, Jews don't know how to pronounce YHWH and they don't know the identity or origin of the greatest enemy, Amalek. But the rest they remembered almost perfectly! Just those two minor details escaped their vast and accurate "oral history" lol
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>>389921388

>Luther also cut the book of james but it destroys their false doctrine.

He never cut it. Called it an 'Epistle of Straw' but kept it in.
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>>389905024
James chapter 5. Please read it and realize Christ established the priest hood, wants us to have faith that leads to good works (they're married together), and that God uses the priesthood as a means to dispense Christ's grace to us. As it says in James 5 about the sick going to the elders and through their prayers Christ's grace forgives the sick (known as the sacrament of last rights)
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>>389922043

In a word St. John’s Gospel and his first epistle, St. Paul’s epistles, especially Romans, Galatians, and Ephesians, and St. Peter’s first epistle are the books that show you Christ and teach you all that is necessary and salvatory for you to know, even if you were never to see or hear any other book or doctrine. Therefore St. James’ epistle is really an epistle of straw, compared to these others, for it has nothing of the nature of the gospel about it.4
Though this epistle of St. James was rejected by the ancients, I praise it and consider it a good book, because it sets up no doctrines of men but vigorously promulgates the law of God.5
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>>389921388
Yes but in who's name should you be praying? What is the authority given?

>>389921416
From what I've seen people with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit tend to agree based on their level of growth and disagreements seem to only come from lower/higher levels of understanding having difficulty communicating across that gap. As for translations, one with the Spirit who also walks with God and has not just become lukewarm with the Spirit is not going to be hindered by any translation. The problem is that a backslider can turn around and pretend to still have the indwelling of the Spirit and the common folk don't have the discernment to notice the deceit.
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>>389921730
I literally pointed out at least one Protestant denomination that not only denies the Divinity of Christ, and two that claim that He and Michael are the same guy (despite scripture telling us that God never said to an angel "today I have begotten thee".) And many Protestants denigrate Mary and call the Hail Mary prayer blasphemy, despite it being mostly derived from the greeting which the archangel Gabriel gave to her when he made the Annunciation. This was after he had just recently struck the holy man Zechariah dumb for asking him a question. But to Mary he said: "Hail, full of grace! The Lord is with you." And proceeds to tell her that she has found favor with God and will be the mother of Jesus. I've never understood Protestants getting all crazy over Catholics loving Mary. We don't worship her, but we do love and respect her. And if a holy archangel showed her love and respect, maybe doofuses who think the church was "ackshually" delayed from being formed until the time of an insane heretic traitor from German decided to set up a heretical cult in the 1500s should stop kvetching that people like to have statues of her. These same Protestants likely have photos of beloved family members or even sports figures, but if they see a Catholic or Orthodox representation of the holy mother, they start screeching about "idolatry".
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>>389922179
I agree. James is most beneficial for those who've already been saved and are pursuing sanctification. Below that level and without that relationship it's really just more of the same.
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>>389922340
>>tend to agree based on their level of growth and disagreements seem to only come from lower/higher levels of understanding having difficulty communicating across that gap.
So you're saying that there is value in elders of a church, and that they might have greater understanding than a random layman?
Sounds like a priesthood. Experienced ones who have spent a lifetime learning and understanding the "correct" interpretations.
>>one with the Spirit who also walks with God and has not just become lukewarm with the Spirit is not going to be hindered by any translation.
Sure, they won't be hindered. But how do you prevent the people that are given the flawed translation from being hindered? As you admitted, there are levels of understanding, and only God could overcome a flawed teaching once its out in the wild. A priesthood is a correcting force.
>>The problem is that a backslider can turn around and pretend to still have the indwelling of the Spirit and the common folk don't have the discernment to notice the deceit.
So it seems like random missionaries without any sort of accreditation or association isn't the answer. Fishermen take apprenticeships. They learn from others.
The Holy Spirit gives you understanding through experiences in your life. We are not blessed enough to see the whole thing. Only inclinations something might be wrong or right.
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>>389922573
Those aren't denominations they are heretical cults
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>>389922706

Luther's word, not mine, I should have put quotes.
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>>389922799
>im just going to continue being and adversary

Instead of championing this structural priesthood that you are so happy to fellate why not start teaching the common retard that this level of understanding is within their grasp? And thus no priesthood needed because the High Priest is risen? Your doctrine is lousy with vile spirits.
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>>389922573
>I literally pointed out at least one Protestant denomination that not only denies the Divinity of Christ, and two that claim that He and Michael are the same guy

I'd like to know who, for the next time someone asks how to be saved. I like to know who to tell them not to go to.
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>>389905024
you worship a book that contradicts itself constantly, also the whole thing was written by jews, you can't deny that
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>>389923019
I know, I have added I agree with him. The pure gospel is the way to bring a newfag to salvation, books like James are for those seeking more understanding.
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>>389923125
There are no contradictions. Just smolbrains trying to understand that which the mind can't comprehend.



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