It's abundantly clear that Biden is purposefully attempting to sabotage Trumps peace plan by sending long range missiles and send as much of who knows what else to Ukraine in hopes of escalating the war. Putin is a smart man and the best we can hope for is that he realizes what's going on and keep his cool until Trump is in office. What we need is to talk sense into our politicians in both the EU and USA.Because we in the west are not ready for multifront total war.And this can be done by utilizing social media, memes, petitions and heck why not try reaching musk and see if he can use x for referendas or if need be have him shut down starlink in ukraine if our insane politicians keep escalating instead of seeking a resolution to the conflict. We need peace, there has been plenty enough bloodshed in this Slavic familyfeud And also we need to get our shit in order ourselves in the west.
>>489089903where the WEBm, you?
multifront total war.No Russian ever called me oppressor
>>489089903I agree with depopulation I just disagree with how slow they are going forward with itI'm sorry anon, your still believe in the game pieces, but you are just here to distract us from looking at the players behind the board.
Trump wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia. Trump has stated he’s a Russian ally. His kids relay messages from Russia. Every time Trump says something he should have, websites become plagued with trump propaganda
>>489089903Sounds like Biden just gave Trump more bargaining power. Maybe if ziggers hadn't been seething online everyday since election day about how Russia shouldn't make peace then this wounldnt have happened.
>>489090057Shouldn’t have*
>>489089903thank you _reddit
>>489089903This post is the most zigger thing I've seen in weeks.Still seething about Briyansk? Why did you flee Russia?>Putin is a smart manAt least gave me a good chuckle.If this retard had any sense he would not have believed his advisors when they started promising him that the invasion would be over in three days and that they would be welcomed as liberators. He is a retarded monkey who wears platform shoes.
>>489089903Yeah bro, just keep giving putin everything he wants. Sure worked with Hitler.
>>489090096In what way is Biden giving Trump more bargaining power? escalation only makes peace talk harder. >>489090057>Trump wants Ukraine to surrender to Russia. Trump has stated he’s a Russian ally.Yes, and zelensky should surrender some territory now or stand to lose it all later anyways and drag us into a global war the longer this goes on.>>489090375>This post is the most zigger thing I've seen in weeks.>>489090472If you want Ukraine to win go and join them as mercenaries. I'm neutral not a zigger, a concept maybe too hard to wrap your head around.going for peace is wise when you can't win the war and Ukrain is losing the war by attrition
>>489090861>In what way is Biden giving Trump more bargaining power?He can withdraw authorization to bomb russia. Or not if monke is going banan. Newfags tend to forget that a trump deal is like negotiating with the mob or some ruthless loan shark.
>>489089903>Putin is a smart man
>>489090861>I'm neutral not a zigger>uses the zigger "go fight for them" talking point>Ukraine should just capitulate>neutral here
>>489089903No
>>489090861>I'm neutral but the ones being invaded are clearly the warmongers and everyone should just do ehat putin yells them to do and russia should be able to take any lands it wants anywhere because fighting them means people dying so if someone wants to rob your house just give them your house and keys in case they ever want to rob you again resisting would get you hurt and you don't want that right? I am very neutral btw
>>489089903kek! based biden!>the only way trump will be president again is in hell!
>>489089903You voted for this
>>489090989-Commits minimal effort into the war and is happy with a slow gain.-Russia has a bigger war economy and production rate, we're lagging behind. -Drains Both Ukranian manpower and wester military stocks.-The Russian economy continues on despite heavy western sanctions. >>489091288What is going on is that nato is waging a proxywar in Ukraine, a war that Ukraine is losing. You should understand what that's like as the Arab world has been dealing with Nato and Russian proxy war in the middle east. >>489091563>You voted for thisI voted for the one and only party that actually is against the war.
>>489089903We will get war either way. The only question is whether it's a proxy war in Ukraine to defend American influence in Europe or a direct war in Iran to defend Israeli interests. This conflict with Russia is preferable in every way and I hope Trump is forced to continue it because the alternative is far worse.
>>489091646>nato is waging a proxywar in UkraineI wish they were, you would have lost already. Three times over. What the west is doing is dragging their feet.You deserve to see your precious Moscow burn to the ground. Fucking zigger, always running westward but defending his muh empire shithole.
>>489091646>>NATO is waging a proxy warDamn, they invented brainwashing lazer beams to force rusniggers to invade foreign land, like they've been doing non-stop for hundreds of years already? Nice kremlin brochure talking points, "neutral" retard.
>>489089903>Trumps peace planDay one Trump said he would give more money to fucking ukraine, there is no peace plan
>>489091739Well if you believe that we will be getting war either way , the there should be even more impetus to tie up the Ukraine skirmish. That way the USA and by extension west can do what Israels bidding without distractions. The worst outcome is juggling 2 wars at once The best outcome is not waging war at all
>>489089903>BidenThey keep him alive so Kamala doesnt have to embarrass herself again. I bet Biden is on some drugs.Biden's handlers are Bill Burns, Jake Sullivan or Blinken. If I was Chinese and wanted to disable Biden I would assasinate these three and see what happens.
>>489089903>putin>smart manStopped reading after that
>>489089903based Netherlands bro
I think Biden wants Putin to nuke Kiev which would conveniently erase Zelensky & all the komp he holds over Joe & Hunter, additionally saving the other assorted uniparty snakes who were all committing crimes thru Ukraine.
>>489089903Putin has said he's willing to discuss peace with Trump, so there's that. The missiles are a real problem, the infrastructure supporting them is in space and in NATO countries. This means Russia's tactical back-end is now in strike range, but Ukraine's isn't. Any thinking man can see how dangerous that situation is, let the missiles fly or attack NATO military infra directly are the two options Putin is faced with. I don't believe he want's thermonuclear war, which is why he's not responding immediately. NATO art. 5 is also void at this point since NATO has attacked Russia first, in the event of a full scale attack we can only hope the Russians realize this by some miracle, and only hit countries they consider a threat.
>>489090375You are a tourist tranny
>>489091844Be careful what you wish for a direct war will not just be against Russia they have allies too. Also that war would be in our backyards and I'm really not in the mood for another even bigger war.
>>489089903Yeah, but where's the praxis? How do we DO anything?The only thing I can think of are big anti-war marches.
>>489090861>In what way is Biden giving Trump more bargaining power? escalation only makes peace talk harder.it is impossible to escalate the situation further without carpet bombing kyiv or using WMDs.
>>489092258>mutt
>>489090057>NOOOOOOOOOO ANYONE WHO OPPOSES MY POINTLESS WAR IS A RUSSIAN AGENT AAAAAAAAHHHHH
What if russia gets to keep the fucking dumpass or whatever they're bitching about and all they have to do is tie putin and his mafia cronies up and give them the ol piñata treatment? For the good of the motherland and all that.
>>489092372>Putin has said he's willing to discuss peace with Trump, so there's that.yes but giving Ukr long range missiles may jeopardize that. >>489092372>I don't believe he want's thermonuclear war,No he does not, hopefully it's a last ditch for if/when Nato invades Russia directly. Putio has been clear that it did not want Nato encroachment, and nato dis Encroach by making more adjacent border countries members.
>>489089903>Biden is purposefully attempting toBiden doesn't do anything, there are other people making these decisions.>Putin is a smart man Not really>he realizes what's going on and keep his cool until Trump is in office.He realises that the decision makers will be the same no matter who is President. But he also knows he can't actually use nukes because unless he can knock out all western nuclear capability in his first strike, his entire country is going to be obliterated in the counter strike. So he's only raising the spectre of nuclear war to create some doubt and political pressure. If anything Trump is probably welcoming this because raising the stakes now means that when Trump brings about the peace deal he'll look even better for it. But, all things considered, the peace deal has probably already been organised, they are just playing out theatre so that people will accept the deal when it is made public.
>>489093002>Putio has been clear that it did not want Nato encroachmentSo he could have free reign to do to other non-nato states what he did to Georgia and Belarus. On e again "neutral" faggot parroting kremlin bullshit of how countries willingly getting into a defensive pact due to a hostile outside threat is domehow THEM "encroaching". KYS you vatnik trash.
>>489093002Anti personnel landmines as well, just read it.>>489093091>he knows he can't actually use nukesMAD is a strong argument and has been the reason for relative kinetic peace between superpowers for a long time. The neocons int he US Gov are insane by all accounts, Putin knows this as well. How can he know they wont let Kiev hit Russian nuclear capabilities with conventional weapons. Even if by a total mistake, that would be a missile guided by NATO military infrastructure hitting a Russian nuclear weapons launcher in some hangar in bumfuck Russia. Nuclear war happens when Russia or America senses their nuclear capabilities or national sovereignty is threatened.
>>489093091>Biden doesn't do anything, there are other people making these decisions.Semantics, but fine Biden administration then.>>489093091>If anything Trump is probably welcoming this because raising the stakes now means that when Trump brings about the peace deal he'll look even better for it. But, all things considered, the peace deal has probably already been organisedTrump would look better for it, hmm fair enough that makes sense Trump loves good pr.
>>489093412When has Russia attacked Belarus? And Georgia happened in 2008 which is a long ass time after the NATO expansion plan was planned and executed in the early 90's. Russia has historically treated vassals like garbage, so it isn't really surprising they're all NATO friendly, but NATO should have been dissolved when the Soviet Union crashed and replaced by a new defense pact.
>>489090057You will never be a woman.I can't say this emphatically enough: fuck ukraine. they went from a country i barely knew about (i had a vague notion of them as some shithole corrupt russian type of people and i was right) to a country i loathe more than any other besides israel, china and india. absolute donkey shitheads. "look, an actor plays president on tv! its fun lets elect him president!" how collectively absolute bottom of the barrell retarded do you have to be to do that? ITS KIV NOT KIEV. plus the entire LGBT lobby being behind them as well as all the COVID faggots. fuck i cannot STAND that country. the more i learn about them the more i dislike them. its like god invented a place to coagulate all of the most horrendous sadistic dark fucked up people and put them in that shithole. chikatilo, the most prolific soviet serial killer, was ukrainian (of course). stepan bandera their nazi leader was absolutely subhuman and slaughtered polish civilians. They think that they shoudl be fast tracked to NATO. their women are the biggest whores on the planet. the men are faggots, or psychotic. And no. I don't like russians either. they are white chinks. i hate them actually. but i sure as fuck like them better than pookrainiansalso i want my fucken money back, faggots. I hope Ukraine ceases to exist. get conquored by russia, by china, or by india - don't care - Imagine having a literal TRANNY as your spokesperson. n no matter what happens in this war, the entire world now knows ukrainians as weird, demented, FREAK faggots.
>>489093891They didn't need to attack. Subterfuge and repressions were enough to all but annex belarus. >georgia happened in 2008Which is not only not long ago, but is happening again.>but NATO should have been dissolved when the Soviet Union crashedWhy? The soviet union is was just the russian empire rebranded. And the russian federation is just another rebranding. Same russians ruining the lives of every nation around them, same way they've been doing if for centuries. That's more than enough time for all the nations that have suffered for hundreds of years to learn their lesson and start "encroaching" (lmao) on Russia.
>>489093412The point is Russia does not want Nato right at the border, yet nato keeps getting closer. End of story. Hey remember how the USA responded when the soviet regime armed Cuba with missiles? This is Why Nato needs to respect Russia's wish to have neutral no nato countries along it's border. Go fuck your Dog-mother you dessert swine!
>>489089903Ukraine defaulted on it's bonds that the UK backed. It's why they're now trying to sell their farms to Bill "quarantine machine" Gates. Ukraine literally cannot stop the war
>>489089903Biden allowed Ukraine to use long range missiles. Read>They were already there waiting to be used. Biden can either allow Ukraine to use them or risk them being sold/captured if trump pulls funding.On top of this, you're in this short grace period where Russians can cope by saying "Trump will be in office soon", so they have every reason to not take the bait and escalate because of these strikes. Last, the military got to see how effective Russian missile defense systems are, and how well the ATACMS performed against them.
>>489094370>this is why Russia's neighbours need to respect Russia's wish to invade themRemember calling yourself "neutral" earlier on? Funny shit. Turn off your VPN.
>>489094370Keep spreading the word anon, normalfags need to understand what nuclear war means. They seem too scared to even consider the possibility and the states feed them coping lines >the nukes don't work>just use a tactical weapon>bombing Russia with our infra isn't a gigantic escalation>nuclear war is survivablePeople are fucking delusional.
>>489094562its a fact. no one has ever answered this for me. not once. if canada was getting cozy with china USA would invade. its a fact. too bad that we spell color "colour" instead of "color" (the equivalent of KIV KIEV seething) and wah wah our sovereignty. this is called great power games. US was obviously looking for conflict with Russia since the fucken berlin wall fell. and now that the pislamic terrorism phase of the war machine has run its course russias next. ofc russia wasnt going to allow that shithole pookraine to cozy up to NATO.,the georgians are 1000 times smarter than the pookrainians (stupid fucken slavs) and stopped courting such nonsense.
>>489089903One more big war and the White race is done. Just had to be the retard slavs putting is all in danger again. Golem faggots
>>489095152It's the entire world nigger, if not at first then after all the power plants start melting down and the nuclear winter destroys any remaining radioactive crops.
>>489090057>current year+8how long ago did the muller report come out proving Trump didn't collude with russia? who let you escape reddit faggot?
>>489089903Putin wont' do shit there's nothing to "de-escalate"
>>489094370What russia wants is honestly irrelevant. Nuclear blackmail does not grant it powers to dictate the foreign policy of other countries. Monkes failed war has already vastly expanded russians border with nato while is desire for sweeping territorial annexation only pushes more of russias frontiers closer to nato.
>>489094704>>489094704>Keep spreading the word anon, normalfags need to understand what nuclear war means. They seem too scared to even consider the possibility and the states feed them coping linesThe mayor problem is that they're so hung up on their support of ukraine, because russia invaded before nato could make Ukraine a member and 'putler' le hitler 2.0 being an expansionist dictator narrative. that they forget see our own nato's actions over the decades...It's hypocritical to the bone, but whatever I don't even wanna go further on that shitslinging route. So instead I'm trying to warn people to instead of kicking the hornet nest (the world biggest nuclear power) and de-escalate thing now. Because the fact is that neiother Europe nor the USA stands a snowballs chance to win a full scale war against another army... Nato can barely defeat some commie vietnam ricefamers, or taliban dunecoons. It is preposterous to think our anemic faggot armies that barely got weapon stockpiles to speak of can face a fully prepared army. What we need is a decade of peace so we can get our industries in order and build our armies up before staking the stick.But people either willfully ignore history and think war is some sort of game
>>489095151>if canada was getting cozy with chinaHas Canada been suffering conquest, mass population displacements, political and linguistic repressions, manmade famines and enforced serfdom, poverty, and illiteracy for 300 years due to US aggression? Because if not I don't understand where this is going.
>>489092472kill your entire family to help dear leader putin
>>489089903What would happen if generals just stopped obeying the president? Just be like "no you dumb old nigger, you are going to get us all killed".
>>489089903I'd rather have Russia nuke the US.
>>489095471>It is preposterous to think our anemic faggot armies that barely got weapon stockpiles to speak of can face a fully prepared army.There is a point to be made. But modern military seems basically useless no matter the scale, maybe as a deterrent but with nukes waiting in silos it doesn't really matter. China can have an army of 100 million and it won't change shit, you can just vaporize it.
>>489089903I don't want peace. I want a violent schism in the United States. I the world must be plunged into hellfire in order to bring about the destruction of the left, then so be it.
>>489095817Damn, you love jews THAT much?
>>489089903Fuck off faggot!Nuke LondonNuke WashingtonNuke Moscow
>>489095602too bad for pookrainians, frankly. half the country was gifted to them via communist border drawing in the 20th century. Again, i point you to Georgia: another country with a historical right to whine about Russia. They are not retarded enough to poke the bear in the eye, just as mexico wouldn't be retarded enough to fuck with the US. Ukrainians are a wretched, stupid, fucking idiot, LGBT people. speaking of mexico, mexico has a ton of historical gripes with the US. doesn't mean they would EVER be allowed to enter into any sort of special arrangement with a major foreign power.
>>489095721>singapore with nukes can defend itself against a massive empire by just vaporizing their armies and cities>we can finally go back to based small government city states>governments won't stop kvetching about how nuclear proliferation is totally bad u gaizTypical
>>489095389>. Monkes failed war has already vastly expanded russians borderIf monkeh's war was failing it would have been pushed out of ukraine by now sigh. >>489095389>Nuclear blackmail does not grant it powers to dictate the foreign policy of other countries.What russia wants is irrelevant.Okay maybe you're be happier with some Russian missiles stacked in Cuba or when some Sotuh amreican contries join Brics so you gt a bit of Russia, China and Iran near your doorstep kek. But jokes aside. It's valid that Russia does not want nato at their border.
>>489093562>kinetic attack on nuclear weapon is the same as nuclear attack because it undermines MADYeah, maybe but it's more likely that they would retaliate with a kinetic attack on NATO's nuclear weapons stored in Germany or Turkey rather then immediately escalate into full scale nuclear war.
>>489095312>how long ago did the muller report come out proving Trump didn't collude with russia?>t. didn't actually read the Mueller report
>>489096044>They are not retarded enough to poke the bear in the eyeAnd as such are now a client state, annexed in all but name. But hey, according to you if you catch someone burglarising your house, of the following options>Confront burglar personally>Contact law enforcement>Get down on your knees and beg to suck the burglar's dick#3 seems to be what vatniks love to propagate the most. Then of course you act confused why people don't believe you're not a shill.
>>489096330>maybe but it's more likely that they would retaliate with a kinetic attack on NATO's nuclear weapons stored in Germany or Turkey rather then immediately escalate into full scale nuclear war.That's invoking art 5, when Russia attacks a nato member ergo ww3. However Russia is free to completely level Kiev with ballistic missiles in retaliation.
>>489096044It's so fucking simple even if Putin tries to muddy the waters with his hyperborean mandate from heaven in Ukraine, the obvious reason for the invasion is buffering and probably fear that the American government has lost its mind. Seems like more and more people are talking about how actually crazy the American Neocons are >Russia is a gas station with nukes, who cares what they want. We can do whatever WE want. FUCK EVERYONE ELSE.They're a bunch of cult members, human garbage.>>489096330Probably, but then what is NATOs doctrine if nuclear capable ballistic missiles launch with a flight path towards their nuclear assets?
>>489089903Everyone’s worships death now. They want to die. They’ve lost their minds.
>>489096473>>489096473>>Confront burglar personally>>Contact law enforcement>>Get down on your knees and beg to suck the burglar's dickUkraine chose the proverbial option 1 and 2Ukraine is also losing the war regardless, and the longer they keep it up the war more they lose in lives and territory.Do you know math, or is the sunk cost fallacy preventing you from objective strategic thinking?
>>489096820I wonder how much principles would matter to him if his government made his country a prime nuclear target.
>>489095689I never got how the "land doesn't vote" thing became such a huge gotcha. The majority of people are parasites living off of the work of others but compensate them with the exchange of money, why should the worker's voice be less than theirs?
>>489096338yep this one's funny in my cringe collection
>>489096820>*gulp gulp gulp*>mmmm, yummy cummies- You, an enthusiastic connoisseur of dedovshchina
>>489097017You're reading off the Bill Barr deliberately incorrect summary you dumb motherfucker
>>489096116Monkes war has failed. It achived none of its startegic objectives and doesnt look like it will if any of the leaked peace offers are legit. >What russia wants is irrelevant.Correct. Russia can dictate the policy of russia. It has no authority over any other country.Muh cubaCuba is a russia ally to this day and regularly hosts russias warships carrying missiles. It did so just a few months ago. The whataboutism you see on telegram by zigger retards is often lies. Typical of deflection tactics used by those attempting to excuse the inexcusable. Russias actions have already increased its border with nation many times over in its failed war and it looks like it will end with literal nato armies in ukraine guarding a dmz. Good job monke.
>>489096611CheckedI know i'm concerned about the amount of pro war shills on this thread. They're so blinded by bitter rage towards Russia that they forget that we're not ready for total war, we can barely win against asian peasants with ak's ... It's a bitter pill and we had best take a 10 year break from warmongering and nitwit politicians running their mouths and get our industry and armies in working order first. Right now the west is suicidal, in the most all encompassing and literal sense
>>489097051Hey gay thoughts are HARAM faggot. you don't want to be flung of roof do you?
>>489097278Strange how you use we when you mean america and are entirely wrong about american capabilities while at the same time hyping up the pathetic weakness of russia as some major threat that we all must grovel before and beg for mercy. If you're truly anti war and not just a zigger simp as many have claimed then you're the most pro war anon itt. All you've done is magnify the threat russia poses far beyond any reality.
>>489096473>And as such are now a client state, annexed in all but name. idiotic and wrong. the georgian language thrives. their alphabet thrives. they have their own culture and foreign policy. they just maintain peace toward russia. You're stupid. Georgians just aren't as subhuman as pookrainians. It makes sense they are nihilists in their core. everything about the culture and society of pookraine from the mega whoreishness of their women to the utter corruption of their society in general just screams "anti human". child trafficking is rife there. Pookraine will be an absolutely miserable scum society whether they are part of "Russia" or whether they are an "independent nation of ukraine". its a miserable wretched place and always will be. >But hey, according to you if you catch someone burglarising your house, of the following optionsyou're stupid. this isn't the same situation because in yours there is a clear "law of the land" that applies. in international relations there is no law. law is within states. airhead.
>>489097227>Monkes war has failed.What the fuck do you know of winning a war mutt? you can barely defeat peasants with ak's despite having all the cool nato boomtoys... Ukraine can't defeat Russia despite having all the cool nato boomtoys.
>>489097395Despite being broken, incorrect English, your writing doesn't read like dunglish at all. Your grammatical errors are more typical of eastern euro ESLs. How come?
>>489096601>the obvious reason for the invasion is buffering and probably fear that the American government has lost its mindput urself in his shoes. russia has been attacked from the west to disastroud consequences many times. The US neocons ARE maniacs. they push for war CONSTANTLY it keeps their economy running. the islam wars have run their course. russia is a great enemy: flip the switch for the boomers cold war propaganda, and the milenial/gen x libfags hate white societies. the way they framed trump as "working with RUSSIA" was a clear indication of where the US "machine" puts russia. add to nato expanding and no shit he would invade. stoltenberg bragged that he ripped up a treaty that would deny pookrainian entrance into nato. he bragged about it. i just love these pookrainians and pookrainian supporters acting like pookraine is some place we should care about. no. no one ever has and no one ever will. BUT WE SAY KIV THEY SAY KIEV!!!! its so laughable really. the idea that the actual west (no, pookraine is not the west) would risk a major conflict for such a wretched blot of land
INTEL for USAWe unironically need a WW3If humanity reaches 10 billion peopleThey'll be coming back to harvestYou think you do but you don'tHumanity will be turned into cattle again if we hit 10 billion
>>489097120>You're reading off the Bill Barr deliberately incorrect summary you dumb motherfuckercute cope. why was trump never charged for colluding with putler? current year+8 the conclusion = no collusion go cry on reddit faggot
>>489097766America runs the world and vietnam today is exactly what was envisioned by LBJs crew back in 1965. Clearly the US knows more about the use of power than russia does. Its actually gaining its objectives from the war they baited putin into.
>>489096986It became a thing cause retards would point to a map and struggle to understand shitville population 200 that covers 1000 miles means less than bum city population 1m that covers 10 miles.Then libs reeeee and conservatives favorite past time is making them reee so they just spammed bait posts.
>>489090861>and drag us into a global war the longer this goes onNo one is going to help Russia and Putin is not going to use nukes.Iran is the only thing that can actually compel China and Russia to do something. That's far more likely to devolve into a global war.>>489091739This.
>>489098026>why was trump never charged for colluding with putler?Mueller explicitly said in the full report that charging a sitting president is not possible, otherwise they would have. Perhaps go read it you unbelievable fucking idiot
>>489097562Armies and cool hardware only matter when you fight non nuclear powers or fight as a non nuclear power, obviously. And most of those are small or mostly barren countries so the conclusion is that it doesn't fucking matter for anything but theater, it makes people feel safe even if it changes absolutely nothing.You need nukes, shills and a strong cyber division.>>489098147>Putin is not going to use nukesBased on what? He's obviously threatening to use them to cause fear in the west and weaken Ukraine support. But if properly cornered or if Russian nuclear assets are hit he will obviously have no choice.
>>489092372When did NATO attack Russia?
>>489097562Russia has allies tooI'm certain Europe's army is not up to scratch , and I'm doubting the USA's war capabilities beyond roflstomping some dunecoons.Yes the USA can do serious shock and awe damage but can it sustain a full scale war on multiple fronts? The last war won was ww2 the usa back then relied on quantity over quality. Now your machines are overly complicated and obscenely expensive and your industry is lagging behind. That said Europe is cooked.
>>489092472Lmao, no one is going to help Russia. The Chinks just want to profit off their banks in Russia and take their resources for cheap just like India is doing. They are all alone here.
>>489098357When ATACMS missiles guided by American infrastructure in space and on the ground hit military infrastructure in Russia. The important detail is the fact these missiles are dependent on targeting systems that physically exist in NATO countries. Completely different from Ukrainians firing shorter range missiles using more basic guidance. Seems like the response so far is more sabotage on sub sea fiber cables.
>>489094370If Russia wants a buffer zone they can use their own territory. No war necessary. Also stop sending nuclear armed ships to Kalingrad.
>>489098607>When ATACMS missiles guided by American infrastructure in space and on the ground hit military infrastructure in RussiaAs part of a conflict stemming from Russian aggression. Where's the part where Russia has been aggressed against?
>>489098147>No one is going to help Russia and Putin is not going to use nukes.I hope for all our sake your gambit pays off on that theory.
>>489089903At this point Zelensky must die. Trump can make a peace deal between Putin and the next hohol up to bat.
>>489098352Russia can give up on Crimea and become a vassal state of China. The latter is inevitable and it will come sooner the longer this war drags on.>>489098458The west is not even spending all that much.
>>489098357These atacm guided missiles work on US guiding system, without specific US clearance they do not work. this implies that basically for all intents and purposes the USA launched the missiles. That is precisely what makes this escalation a very serious problem as US involvement into the war is now direct...That is the problem
>>489098607At most that is America making the attack not NATO. If Russia thinks the U.S. has attacked them they can an up and declare war. They haven’t done so which means they know it wasn’t the U.S. that launched those missiles but Ukraine defending itself from an aggressor. They’re afraid to escalate.
>>489098458>Russia has allies tooNo not really. Maybe belarus and even that is uncertain. Nato vastly outclasses russia in conventional and nuclear arms. Again you're copeposting like the most absurd of ziggers on telegram. >Russia super stronk save me china america so weakYou say you're for peace and yet you're hyping up russia has some hysterical hitler tier bogeyman thats even less stable with crazed threats of nuke use if you dont surrender to monke. I personally dont think much of putins regime but I seem to think its less insane, power hungry, and irrational than you do. By the way the us military outnumbers russia right now. Add in nato and the west has both vasty greater quantity and quality.
>>489098026You're one dumb mother fucker. Read the report.
>>489099170>They’re afraid to escalateObviously, it would mean destruction of the earth. Putin knows Trump will take the reigns soon so he'll wait and see while giving some kind of response to not seem weak. If the Neocons interpret a restrained response as weakness they might do something even more insane, like help Ukraine strike nuclear assets. None of us have heard from the people behind Biden, they just seem unhinged.
>>489099129I assume you are referring to the military version of NAVSTAR. That belongs to the U.S. Government and not NATO. And I know that Ukrainian forces were not in charge of launching. All they would need is the access code which they already had.
>>489099171I don't hype russia up that much, i'm more worried about our politicians hyping us up for a full war that we will win win win just like Ukraine is WINNING.But don't read between the lines, keep playing stupid war games and win the prizes you deserve...
>>489099435I posted this in another thread. Get a satellite photo taken of the Russian Federation at night. Those lights show you the most important areas of Russia to hit. Ten nukes and Russia is finished.
>>489099473I did not mention nato, I said US is involved with the war in ukraine now. Also US is not just part but main player of nato
>>489098252>>489099333See >>489097017>it's bill barrs deliberately incited summarythat's your opinion. feel free to provide any evidence trump and russia colluded. you won't be able to
>>489099759>hitting densely populated areas will stop the counter attackThe fuck? Most of Russia's nuclear assets are mobile or submarine based, the silos on both sides are just a meme and will be targeted in the first attack wave.
>>489099868You have been told several times to read the original unabridged report where the allegations against Trump colluding with Russia are explicitly stated. You are a massive fucking idiot
>>489099171 >>489099561 message was not meant for you, my mistake.
>>489099561You dont seem worried. You sound like the hawkish of globalists I've seen in european news sources making absurd claims about russian power and capabilities. Its russia was a threat they would have compleatly occuped and forced a surrender of ukraine in about 3 months. Instead they have been reduced to literal ww1 human wave attacks in advances measured in meters for 3 years while taking upward of a million dead and wounded and emptying out their cold war stockpiles on weapons all for meager gains of mostly worthless land. At least half of which the controlled before the war began. If you're worried that monkes advisers are retards that fair I suppose. Their decision making hasnt been the best. But personally I dont think thats likely. Putin will run out the clock until Trump takes office while in the mean time launching desperate attacks at high losses to gain every inch of land he can and then he will accept a peace deal where russia gets about 20 percent of ukraine and the other 80 percent becomes a nato and EU client state. If putin is really smart he will throw iran under the bus in return for being allowed back into the EU market and that will be that. By the time you're an old man russia likely wont even exist as it will be so islamified and churkafied as to be a different country entirely. The end.
>>489099918>You are a massive fucking idiotyou're projecting. did you think about what you just wrote?>You have been told several times to read the original unabridged report where the allegations against Trump colluding with Russia are explicitly stated>allegations I asked for evidence not allegations. Allegations are not proof of shit you retarded abbo. keep huffing paint stupid nigger
>>489099869Those densely populated areas are what pays for and supports the war in Ukraine. They’d be attacked for the same reason Russia attacks Ukrainian cities. No production no war. And Russia is surrounded by people who hate their guts.
>>489089903don't give a fuck. russia has the right to defend itself by nuking the amerisharts
>>489100504Guess what leaf? Canada is part of norad. They have to nuke you as well if they want to really take down americas defenses.
>>489100434Russian launches on detection, so does America. The result is hell on earth, no one wins or looses, we just die.
>>489100180I don't know how you're able to twist my stance 180 degrees, It's impressive.1 I want the war to stopbecause 2 I think Ukraine lost and is better of surrendering now and losing 20% instead of losing 50% or everything later on.3 I do not trust either leader to not bumblefuck us all into a world war.4 I'm sceptical that we're prepared and ready to make an extremely aggressive and decisive blitzkrieg win if scenario 3 were to happen. Does this clear things up?
>>489100994>The result is hell on earth, no one wins or looses, we just die.precisely this. we die while the instigators sit in their bunkers.
>>489100504How can you be so dumb, are you a pajeet ?You and I will be nuked too if Russia lets the nukes fly.
>>489094067i read your post in the voice of the person in your picture lmao
>>489089903>Biden is purposefullyHe's not doing anything. The shadow puppeteers running his admin are.
>>489101400Stupid fucks. A specially deigned warhead can probably punch through a mountain. Unless they're building bunkers in the deepest mines they're even more fucked than the rest of us. Priority targets and all that.
>>489101279>I don't know how you're able to twist my stanceI explained it clearly. You words dont match your claimed stances. Let me clear something up for you. Russias invasion of ukraine was a strategic failure. What its gonna get out of its failed war is nothing much at all while nato and america in particular benefits greatly from putins folly. Putin isn't a madman hellbent on world conquest and the ragged bands of prison gang conscripts and brown mercs herded into battle at gunpoint that comprise the bulk of whats left of the russian army in 2024 are not a serious threat to any nato army. They want to end the war without complete humiliation and trump offers them that. A chance to end the war now and not in two weeks and with some actual concessions that Putin's propaganda machine can claim are the greatest thing ever, despite how meager they truly are. So they will tank whatever missiles ukraine throws at them for the next two months because they can and they already have for a while, ukraine has been bombing targets deep inside russia with drone and its own missiles for a while, and when Trump takes office they will agree to some concession in order to end the missile strikes.
>>489102413>>489102413>You words dont match your claimed stances.Where and what would that be then ? >What its gonna get out of its failed war is nothing much at all while nato and america in particular benefits greatly from putins folly.The war benefits you/the US maybe but to Europe it has been a detriment. >>489102413>Putin isn't a madman hellbent on world conquestI never said he was, in fact I think that putin has been rather level headed throughout the war. le putler da ebil conqueror is the hawk's claim and justification to escalate the war. They're the actual madmen >>489102413>So they will tank whatever missiles ukraine throws at them for the next two monthsAh yes, but no there is a good chance that Russia will bombard Ukrainian infra in retaliation. >>489102413>Trump takes office they will agree to some concession in order to end the missile strikes.I thought the goal was a peace deal, but a seize fire and further negotiations is a good 1st step
>>489089903Trump can also pass the word to jewlenski that if he launches those missiles into Russia, they will be the last ones he's ever gonna launch.
>>489089903send biden to the moon
>>489090472We should have given Hitler everything he wanted too. In fact, we should have asked if he needed help.
>>489101937This guy needs to be sent to prison
>>489095471>What we need is a decade of peace so we can get our industries in order and build our armies up before staking the stick.This is exactly why it's such a bad idea to provoke Russia. Eventually, we'll get them to the point that they decide they need to destroy Europe and the US, instead of just Ukraine in order to neutralize the threat. At that point, they will not be willing to hear any peace talks even with our unconditional surrender.
>>489089903All sources need to be double checked for every single post.
>>489089903> Trump calls Putin> Offers to surrender Biden to him as a prisoner of warWould be based beyond belief.
>>489094067It's a rabbit hole that only gets better the more deeper you go. You realize soon just what kind of mentally ill troons and geriatric dust collectors long forgotten pretend they are of coherent importance, as a part of "NAFO", "uhg", and 'k.' Then you go to their communities. You join them. You pretend you're one of them, it's like a comedy as you slide deeper into some of the most manchildish, sadistic mind fucked people you can imagine. 40-60 year old men obsessed with super heroes, doge, marvel comics and gore and death. You will be amazed. I guarantee it. See like I did. See just how cringe and deep the globohomo rot goes.
Look at this scared zigger. You can tell this latest announcement really made them and Monke shit their pants.
>>489104150Well Biden is sitting president, so no this won't happen. Trump should be calling 2 people Zelensky = If you dare use those atacms. you will never see a penny again!!! also I will disband Nato or withdraw the USA from nato immediately. Because I pertinently refuse you or any other European actor to article 5 the USA into your war.
>>489104379GenX are a bunch of fucking retards.
>>489104379>You will be amazed. I guarantee it. See like I did. See just how cringe and deep the globohomo rot goes.Trump is gonna have to do some drastic measures, those people are insane and right amognst us.
>>489104765Why would Trump surrender to Putin? Trump is the one dictating the terms. Putin is weak. He has no choice but to accept what he is given. You are severely delusional if you think Trump will accept a "deal" where he gives up everything and looks weak.
>>489090057>Trump wants Ukraine to surrenderWho doesn't at this point? They lost and now its only about how many people get killed before they admit defeat
>>489104997no no no, trump should not and will not surrender to putin. trump needs to call zelensky and order, yes straight up order zelensky to not use those atacm missiles OR else!He should also call putin to not use any nukes or try to attack the USA or the EU directly.
>>489103348>Where and what would that be then ?Already explained in detail. reread the comments if you're too slow and need to read line by line.Not reading all that cope other than>I thought the goal was a peace dealIt is peace deals mean everyone leaves disappointed while Trump walks away the hero. Thats what orange man means by amazing huge best deals ever. If you think the war ends in total zigger victory nazis defeated or whatever telegram claims these days then you're delusional.
WARS ARE NEEDED. False Flags too.Wars (and 9/11) are needed for National Security reasons - read the Report From Iron Mountain to learn why wars are needed and you will realize, that artificial conflicts are preferred. Fake space projects, arms race or moon race, Cold War and wasteful military spending and Climate Change Agenda are just another way of accomplishing the objective. Wars are the core of civilizations and a large part of economy, that’s why 9/11 happened: https://youtu.be/FcZ6HXIOmYE?t=1781 - replace wars with peace and plenty and what happens ends with Universe 25, a mouse utopia experiment created by Calhoun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._CalhounUniverse 25:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOFveSUmh9Uhttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-mouse-utopias-1960s-led-grim-predictions-humans-180954423/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sinkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7X-1V9nOsReport From Iron Mountain:https://archive.org/details/reportfromironmo00spechttps://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2akHQoZYntcP6FnszWaU-V5deEpcyYMBThere were anthropological studies done about this reaching similar conclusions decades ago. Here is an interesting example of Yanomami tribe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd7SXbsn0hU
>>489105449we knows bush did 911 you dont have to tell us
>>489104992This is the most famous example from their group. This is the most well known one who failed to do anything to Trump and got arrested. They never want to talk about him, but he's one of their boys.
>>489089903Now you understand why America allowed 9/11 to happen.It was the outgoing Clinton admin.
>>489089903Democrats sabotage everything for everyone they're evil
>>489105244>trump should not surrender to putin>and by that I mean trump should surrender to putinZigger mental gymnastics. Look at you. You're scared shitless. Putin is in a weaker position than ever and your home country russia is closer to defeat than ever. That is why you desperately post for hours about how Ukraine needs to surrender because Monke can't be allowed to lose.
>>489089903This gives Trump the perfect reason to pull the US out of NATO entirely.Let the retards go to war with Russia... And then pull the rug out from under them when the US pulls out of NATO.NATOniggers want the war? They can fund it and fight it themselves.
>>489105698Ukraine can't and won't win this war,it but it can drag us al into a larger conflict, and ukr will lose more lives and land if this war is allowed to fester on. End of story.>You're russianGo fuck yourself.This is the first thing you pro ukr niggers do when someone critisizes the war and want to see peace. I'm posting for hours because I refuse to let my message be shilled and derailed. I'll debate anyone willing to do so in good faith.
>>489106660You can deny the truth all you want, it's more than obvious to everyone what you are. A westerner would not sperg out for hours about russia good, nato bad, we must surrender to putin.
>>489106945You would not know the truth if it hit you in the face. You try twisting what I said about what trump should do. >it's clear what I am. A realist. and yes since there is no possible way Ukraine can win without nato directly fighting their war in ukraine for them. it's time to surrender. love it or hate it, but that's the fact.
>>489089903>Putin is a smart manstopped reading there
>>489105745Unfortunately I'm stuck in noth EU and nato . But yes Trump should pull out of nato day 1. And i'll be booking a flight out of here, I'm not dying over this zealous shortsighted EU idiocy.
>>489089903This is what our governments wanted. They just had to speed things up because Trump will be in officer in January. They plan to start the war and put this in Trumps lap so he has this to deal with.
>>489107508A realist would see how badly russia is doing and continuing and increasing their armament support will buckbreak russia. You are as realist as a Moon landing hoaxer.>>489107906So you're going back to russia?
>>489108054Best way to deal with is,1 withdraw all support to Ukraine, not a single dollar will ever go there again.2 straight up disband nato (no more article 5 suckers) or if that's impossible USA leaving nato.
