Back in the Roman Empire, perhaps 200 million people lived. That number climbed steadily as agricultural continued spreading around the world, enabling larger populations, after beginning in the Near East some 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. By the start of the Industrial Revolution in the late 1700, the world human population stood at like 800 million people. In the 250 years since then, the world human population has increased ten times over, or has added, on average, another 800 million people every 25 years, thus around each generation.This is overkill, or rather, overlife.Any midwest farmer could tell you about loss of soil fertility, which means nutrients like vitamins and minerals, created by soil bacteria and rock erosion over centuries and millennia, is being lost at an utterly unsustainable, staggering rate, and this is occurring with all the world's farmland, occurring the richest farmland like in the US midwest.Species are going extinct at a rate that exceeds the Permian-Triassic Extinction Event of 250 million years ago, which was the biggest extinction even in Earth's history by far, greatly eclipsing the extinction that ended the dinosaurs and ending around 90% of terrestrial species and 80% of marine species.And resources are depleting rapidly. In 100 years of industrial civilization, we use like 10,000 years of resources in the previous agricultural civilization, and the rate of resource extraction and depletion only increases with growing human population, growing wealth and expectations for material stuff, and with technological advancements enabling faster and faster resource usage.Industrial Civilization is likely a brief flash in the pan of Earth history's timescale, the timescale of human existence including the Paleolithic before agriculture, and the timescale of agricultural civilization that goes back some ten millennia.We won't continue to live like this. We're going back to Robin Hood days, then, a few millennia later, back to monke
>>520179207Agricultural civilization would itself have ended itself through resource depletion including destruction of soils, but the whole process might have taken 20,000+ more years to unfold, and agriculture would have ended, and therefore civilization too, as civilization (the way of life of the cities, literally) depends on agriculture and its surplus that can support non-food producing lines of work, just of its own accord.But now, industrial civilization, which is an overlay atop agricultural civilization since we still practice agriculture but also have industry, including industrialized agriculture, has sped up the end of civilization, so that first, industrial civilization will meet its end, like within two or three centuries if not even during this century, and then, a few millennia later, due to the damage already wrought by the industrial age on resource including the soil, all agriculture and civilization will end too, leaving human life at the level of the Old Stone Age, aka the Paleolithic, when all people were foragers: hunters and gatherers following food supplies in migration patterns.We are literally headed back to monke, worldwide, within 5,000 years and absolutely nothing can stop this process. We can mitigate the damage being done and slow the downfall of first industrial, then all remaining (agricultural) civilization, like by multicropping instead of monocropping, but there is no financial incentive to make this change, only costs involved, so this change will not be enacted even though it's necessary to keep civilization alive longer.Within 300 years, or even in this century if there is a full blown nuclear war that ends industrial civilization in most or all of the world, we'll be living like people did in the age of Robin Hood: feudal societies, bowing to our king who rules by divine right according to some dominant religion in our region, and farming the soil with animal-driven or human-pulled plows.
>>520179234It may in fact be best for us to return to Robin Hood and then, eventually, back to the caves. Premodern live, i.e. pre-Renaissance and pre-Protestantism, back in medieval times, was by most measures more enjoyable than modern life: more communal, more spiritual, more organized for the spirit, etc. etc.So the end of industrial civilization is nothing to fear, except for the death of 90% of the world human population it will entail. But for the survivors, their way of life will be much better than today's.
>>520179265So the best life on earth turns out to be like entry into heaven: for the lucky few who survive the end times of mass death by war, disease, and hunger. As above, so below.We need a great filter, a way to end the lives of some 97% of the world human population at a minimum, and the greater the reduction of human numbers, like 99% or even 99.99% from where these numbers stand today, the better life will get, for humans and all other lifeforms on this planet. The fortunate few, who are akin to the "saved" in the world's major religions, will live to see the closest thing humans can manage to paradise on earth. But for the saved, or the fortunate few, to reach this wonderful condition, most of the human population of the world needs to perish.Nothing is given without a cost, and it is a general rule -- one recognized in the old traditions of sacrificing living things, including traditions of human sacrifice -- that the greater the sacrifice, i.e. the more value is taken out of the world, then the greater the resulting reward will be, so that even more value will be added to the world than was taken out of the world in the giant sacrificial era.
>>520179456You are religious, and you believe in a doomsday. No, I will not drink your kool-aid. Christ is God
>>520179207Pentti Linkola is right about everything. I believe 1 billion people was enough and we should have gone to war to keep it there. We should have nuked China and india and Africa as soon as nukes were invented.
>>520179207It overpopulated by brown people you fucking nigger
mh i think 200 people is the max size for a village and surrounding forrest or an island with a surrounding coral reef. they can harvest collect and use land for farming without destroying more than can regrowthe planet is huge allright but water, fertile land is rare. if u went snorkeling in the past 10 days and looked at our underwater deserts that we created all around the globe it makes u rly wonder how massive human impact is. and everybody is talking about co and galple waple and temperatures. but nobody mentions that the ph lvl of the oceans dropped form 7.7 to 6.6 and most life is quite calcium shelly seashells and corals....they just go puff puff up in smoke right in front of us and peoples first concern in a global pandemic is toilet paper. idunno guys...perspective is not looking very bright for the future for humanity tbqhand the sbs sysdrom is alrdy everywhere. its shifting baseline syndrom. a person going to a natural park or snorkeling saying oh its so beautiful and a person who went to the same spot 10 years ago who is saying that it looks terrible compared to what it looks like 10 years ago. and really nothing is well documented. the last primal forrests in asia disappeared without a fucking camerateam even making a picture of it. noone knows what animals existed int he swamps and rainforrests.only very few people even develope an appreciation for the beautyx of nature. they dontmind eating corn syrup and staring at watching artifial light pixels all day long
>>520179207tl;dr but "depopulation" is a good thing for anyone who didn't spend their life working for their retirement literally every problem will solve itself if we send boomers down the river and let the population normalizepollution, economy, house market, immigrants, the general human despair that comes from being irrelevant and impotent in a population of billions, every left wing and right wing talking point, all go away if we just do nothing and let nature take its course
>>520179616Doomsday is not a day, but unfolds over years and generations and centuries and millennia. And it exists despite religion, for the world was doomed the first time a person planted a seed and knew food would grow by doing this.
>>520180230Thanks to white people
>>520179207Kill kikes, shitskins, gypsies, retards, leftist and faggotsThat's how you fix the population problemNow Fuck off
>>520180230those people only exist in those numbers because they're fed by a system fueled by a perpetually growing workforceonce economies stop being capable of supporting that, they die off within 2 decades
>>520179616And your Christian religion, and Judaism and before it and Islam after it (they all are based on the same core beliefs, underlying their specific theologies), are just rationalizations and justifications for agricultural societies despite the destruction and eventual doom that agriculture, in farming and herding, reaps. And this is because the core belief of all the Abrahamic religions is that Man is made in the image of God and, therefore, Man has dominion over the world just as God has dominion over Man.An ideology or belief system that does nut justify human exploitation and destruction of the world would be better, and more sustainable, than the Abrahamic faith in its various versions.
>>520179207>overpopulation>we need to get population down to 100 million for the council of the 300 jews ro effectively govern the one world gubmintFuck you jew
>>520181178nice try, kike, but jews more effectively governing large masses is historically proven
>>520181178The human tendency to destroy its own habitat is well beyond, and it predated, Jews or any other particular group existing today. This is a general human problem. All who sow end up reaping the world. And those who produce with factories will the world even faster.
>>520179456The vast majority of Earth is uninhabited. It only feels crowded due to boring useless irritants like you.
well yea we figured this out many years ago its called "billions must die".the normalfags took it as a joke tho
>>520179207Fertilisers and oil (cheap to mine oil) ends in ~15-20 years, as chatgpt says.I think our future depends on GMO and MOX reactors. And also in Africa a lot of children is asocial status, no matter if they can feed them or not.
>>520179207>>520179616>>520180230>>520180987its worse than you imagine, since roman times, the trash people have increased2000 years ago:-Europe maybe 100 million(Finland 10 000)-Mexico + Grand Colombia maybe 50 million(USA 100 000 and mostly Navajo speakers)-Greenland 5000-India 5 million-Iran 1 million-Sub Saharan Africa (blacks) 10 million-White Africans (predominantly Egyptian-Greek) a few millions-Australia 3300 Aborigines-New Zealand uninhabited
>>520179207don't care lol
>>520181257>nice try, kike, but jews more effectively governing large masses is historically provenIt's off topic, but lately I have been wondering if this is true. Jews, being natural (or at least with deep historical roots) cosmopolitans, are better at ruling empires than any ethnocentric group is, like members of a nation-state. This also explains why the British, who have a Judaical outlook due to the old philosophical tradition and value system of British Liberalism, have been the world's best empire builders and imperial administrators, at least until today's age of Jewish global rule by way of America.And look at Trump and his MAGA nationalism; it is ruining the global empire the West has been building since Henry the Navigator in the 1400s. Trump's ethnocentrism is incompatible with American remaining the ruler of the world, but he doesn't even see the contradiction in his own thinking and approach, as he believes that American chauvinism is the key to maintaining American rule and dominance. Rather, it takes the spirit of Jewish cosmopolitanism to rule a global empire long term. Trump's MAGA-based empire will soon fold up on itself.
>>520181566Population density is one part of the puzzle. Every modern human, living a modern standard of economic life, takes up multiple square kilometers of natural resources in the course of each modern individual's lifetime.
>>520181700These numbers are far off. 2000 years ago, China, India, and the Roman Empire accounted for some two thirds to three quarters of the world's population of humans.
Before the Haber-Bosch process and the Green Revolution, the global population was capped around 3 billion, we couldn't feed more than that on what was already an over-populated Earth at least 10x beyond its carrying capacity. Now the majority of plant crops depend on synthetic agrichemicals, such as nitrogen fertilizer. For example, a catalytic reaction is used to create ammonia and nitric acid, which are combined to make ammonium nitrate. The key ingredient is hydrogen, and the only cheap source of hydrogen is decomposed natural gas. Natural gas has to be drilled, which requires the supply chain to make drills, pumps, storage tanks, trucks, ships, pipelines, etc. All of these synthetic interventions depend on reconstituted finite resources that are made from fractal parts throughout the world, thus a global supply chain without which none of these things and billions of dependent people cannot exist today. Meanwhile, the majority of the Earth's landscape and its oceans are contaminated, and the amount of biomass and wildlife loss (including overfishing and bycatch) and desertification cannot be stopped unless billions of people die as soon as yesterday. Around year 1500, the global non-White population was well under 250 million. For the past 500 years, all we've done is extract condensed solar and planetary energies as hydrocarbons and transmute them into billions of non-Whites. All that oil could have been for anything else, or not used at all, but this abuse of technology is like an inverse Philosopher's Stone, transforming pure liquid potential into sub-human shit.
>>520182871https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_DeathThe great population loss brought favourable results to the surviving peasants in England and the rest of Western Europe. There was increased social mobility, as depopulation further eroded the peasants' already-weakened obligations to remain on their traditional holdings. Seigneurialism never recovered. Land was plentiful, wages high, and serfdom had all but disappeared. It was possible to move about and rise higher in life. Younger sons and women especially benefited. As population growth resumed, however, peasants again faced deprivation and famine.Furthermore, the plague's great population reduction brought cheaper land prices; more food for the average peasant; and a relatively large increase in per capita income among the peasantry, if not immediately, in the coming century. Since the plague left vast areas of farmland untended, they were made available for pasture and put more meat on the market. The consumption of meat and dairy products went up, as did the export of beef and butter from the Low Countries, Scandinavia and northern Germany. However, the upper class often attempted to stop the changes, initially in Western Europe and more forcefully and successfully in Eastern Europe, by instituting sumptuary laws. They regulated what people could wear so that nobles could ensure that peasants did not begin to dress and act as a higher-class member with their increased wealth. Another tactic was to fix prices and wages so that peasants could not demand more with increasing value. In England, the Statute of Labourers 1351 was enforced, which stated that no peasant could ask for more wages than in 1346. That was met with varying success depending on the amount of rebellion it inspired. Such a law was one of the causes of the 1381 Peasants' Revolt in England.
>>520182899Over-population is the only problem to ever exist on this planet, all other alleged problems and crises are symptomatic of over-population. Over-population not only refers to exceeding the carrying capacity of a finite habitat, it also refers to certain people and populations who make problems within an otherwise harmonious world. There would be no *insert problem or crisis* if certain populations were fewer in number or didn’t exist at all. ‘This’ or ‘that’ is a “problem” only because these given individuals and/or collectives merely exist. There are too many people in general, and there are one too many people in specific.Populations fluctuate. Perpetual growth is unnatural. A given birthrate is less important than who reproduces and when the people in question reproduce. A low birthrate is not inherently negative so long as homogeneity and territorial integrity are upheld. The right population will settle at an equilibrium with the environment and birth rates will respond in kind.A population between 1 and 100 million is not only proportionate and sustainable to the Earth's carrying capacity, but also conducive to generating the sort of people who should rightly exist. The key is to have scalable gene-pools amid fluctuation.
>>520180230>>520180884>>520180987This.
So kill em or stfu faggotYou post this every day What do you want me to do about it
>>520182929I agree with all you have said except for the racialist prejudices you inserted into your otherwise good explanations. It is whites who opened the Pandora's Box of both agriculture and of industrialism. White, Western, Faustian Civilization made, as it were, a deal with the devil to gain the world for a short while before inevitably destroying the world.And yes, material quality of life can be increased by decreasing the population, but the idea that we will (or that we ever could, like it was ever a possibility) maintain industrial living standards permanently is just nonsensical; this was never possible. And neither is maintaining agricultural civilization permanently, though it can, in principle, last for millennia longer than industrial civilization can, whose lifetime is numbered merely in centuries, not even in millennia.In general we need to give up looking for ways to increase production and the amount of material goods and services we can have, and instead we must accept, in the place of that vain hope, an existence like people had 20,000 years ago, as the only human way of existing that is viable for an indefinite period of time.Whiteness, Darkness, and Jewishness are not even parts of the equation of survival at a material level of living equivalent to that of the Old Stone Age before farming began.
>>520183157I want you to adopt and spread the truth, so that the culture may change and people may align their expectations for life with what is really possible for life. I am not trying to change the world overnight. I am trying to lay the seeds of the undoing of the valuing of industrial civilization, so that people realize that life in AD 1280 was at least as good as life is today.
>>520183604whites existed before farming began>a deal with the devil This isn't a semitic fairy tail.
>>520179207We don't have an overpopulation problem, niggers and nafris do
>>520179207>Humans are overpopulated by like 8 billion peopleno shit, the billions must die meme isn't a meme.
>>520183604>I agree with all you have said except for the racialist prejudices you inserted into your otherwise good explanations.name a single race other than europeans and their descendants that have implemented environmental policies and animal welfare policies, the pioneers of which were Theodore Roosevelt and Adolf Hitler.
Well, kill yourself then. Lead by example.
>>520184192My allusion to the story of Faust was a metaphor, which was obvious, but clearly you are butthurt by what I said so you take an obvious allegorical statement and use it against me like I meant an actual deal with a demon occurred. No, what Western Civilization did was create a process -- industrialism -- that has gained some people the world at the eventual cost of the world. You can state this in an allegory like the story of Faust, or it can be stated in plain factual terms.And yes, whites have predated agriculture, but whites, in the Fertile Crescent of the Near East some ten to twelve millennia ago, also created agriculture and its inevitable agricultural civilization, and, in the past two and half centuries, created industrial modes or production with their ensuing industrial way of civilization, beginning back in the second half of the 1700s in England. Race has nothing to do with the predicament we are in and have been in since the dawn of agriculture. Had the Chinese been the first people to invent farming and ranching -- controlling the populations of living things to produce reliable and larger food sources for oneself -- it would not have mattered. Because once the process began, there was no stopping it, and like a self-limited illness, the process had no other option but just to run its course until it stops due to depleting that on which it depends to function. We are talking about the transition from the Old Stone Age to Early Civilization. This long predates the Jews and to this transition, race is but an incidental factor.The problem ultimately lies in human intelligence, with its ability even to think up farming and ranching, and then, later on, industrial modes of production.
>>520179207Blah blah human fertility rates are plummeting so this is a non-issue.
>>520184643Oh I fully understand that whites have done more to mitigate harm to the environment than any other race, and I am all for animal rights (would grant full personhood rights, with the absolute prohibition against murder that personhood entails, to dogs, equines, and cats if I could), but in the end it's too little, too late.Once the agricultural world began, it was doomed to run its course until it burns itself out millennia later. I applaud white and Western efforts to mitigate the destruction of the world, but inevitably these efforts will fall short, unless we are willing to end industrial civilization and go back to the year 1700, as a first step, then after a while of regaining our bearings after having adjusted to such a shocking change in life, we will need to decide to stop agriculture as well. This is the only way to really fix the problem. All efforts at mitigation, praiseworthy and noble as they are, remain, nevertheless, futile efforts.
>>520184857Unless human fertility rates keep plummeting until we number, worldwide, in no more than maybe the tens of millions, then yes, this is and shall remain an issue.We would need a few centuries of fertility rates like those prevailing today in order to achieve an indefinitely sustainable way of life.
