They gathered so much data from the 15th time it exploded!!!
>>535614239The shareholder will provider
>>535614239bwahahaha
>>535614239Lol the American faggots cheering as it exploded
I remember these same threads when they were testing Falcon rockets.
>>5356142391/4 thruster failed, and it failed that predicted it's trajectory.new rocket so they didn't try to land it.upper stage was still fine and jizzed all its pezz into orbit.not defending zog, elon, trump, or jewish capitalism, just important details.
>>535614739Why cant they get the thing into orbit? They went from planning to landing on the moon in less than 10 years in the 1960s
>>535614239Anon it was landing on water
>>535614739Upper stage had a rocket that failed and they didnt attempt the reignition in space.
>>535614843>upper stage was still fine and jizzed all its pezz into orbit.>Why can't they get the thing into orbitBecause reality doesn't need to mesh with how we feel.
>>535614843that's an interesting question and makes any rational person admit that if they were presented with evidence the apollo moon landings didn't happen then they would be believable.
>>535614843It orbited, anon.
>>535614739MAN ON MARS 2020 SAAR REDEEM IT
>>535614239the cheering kek
>>535615120the soil is apparently toxic to plant and animal life. Not sure how elon plans to overcome that
>>535615264The real plan is the sapcex ipo. This will make elon worth a trillion dollar or more.
>>535615043You are such a retard, the the Starship V3 is designed to take 100 metric tons of cargo into space while Apollo 11 took up 4 tons, that 2,400% increase in rocat capacity.
>>535614843>Why cant they get the thing into orbit?Because it's the largest single payload stage to get near orbit and they don't want to circularize the orbit of an object significantly larger than the shuttle until they're completely confident they'll be able to deorbit it in a controlled manner. Do you know what circularization burns are or how they work?
>>535615493>Do you know what circularization burns are or how they work?i dont
>>535614843They *can* they just haven't.
>>535615342Okay. 1 trillion dollarinos what'what's the point after enough to do anything and not have to work? He made it once he hit 1 billion. Just to flex? Hey guys richest man here. Look at all my money. Pretty cool right? Sure I'll be dead in 40 years. But look at all this money I'll never spend.
>>535615493Your mom gave me circularization burns last night.
>>535614843Because they never went to the moon
>>535615643When you launch something into an orbit you can't get a smooth consistent orbit from a single launch burn of the engines. It takes one or several of what are called circularization burns. The easiest way to describe it is the initial trajectory that's set by the time the ship portion turns its engines off and goes into coast is like a giant parabolic curve with a peak half way inbetween the launch location and the projected splashdown location. If you don't add any velocity the ship starts dropping after this peak and the atmospheric drag brings it down to the surface. So at the peak they relight the engines increasing velocity in the direction of travel and the longer they run the engines the further along the projected landing point gets shifted. Eventually that point passes the launchsite and as it approaches the target velocity the landing point pushes out infinitely further until it never comes down to the ground at all. If you just run the initial burn longer you will just push the peak of the orbit really really high and the low point will always come down near the surface near the launch site, and slamming through atmosphere to make a ground level approach at 30k kph will just result in a massive debris field in the general vicinity of the launch pad on the first come around. The reason this is relevant is circularization burns require extremely high confidence in the rocket motors being able to relight and shut down multiple times in space without anything going sideways. This was the first launch with a full slate of the v3 raptor engines so they do not yet have the data to have that level of confidence and as the test showed they have some issues they need to hammer out. If engines blow up during a circularization burn or a deorbit burn they lose significant if not total control over where the ship ends up burning in and that's not a risk they can afford to take. Plus there's plenty they want to test suborbital still.
>>535615400The starship has been in development since 2012. That's 14 years. It has had 12 flights with 5 failures. That's a nearly 50% failure rate. It has not yet completed one full orbit. And has not yet had a single crewed flight. The Apollo program took 8 years of development until landing on the moon. There were 5 uncrewed tests and 4 crewed tests before landing on the moon with only 2 failures.
Why don't we just try and conquer death at this point? Seems whatever these chuckle heads want to do, no amount of money or failure will deter them *shrug* Just keep banging your head into that wall till it cracks, you die or the world explodes right?
>>535615264Kek, implying he doesn't know how to terraform a planet... your fucking ignorant faggot. Go play spore.
>>535615744Legacy families. Just like your retarded ass is owned by the Rothschilds. ;)
>>535616275You haven't smoked DMT. Go "conquer" death and report back to us you little zoomer faggot.Tongue my anus
>>535614843Well you see we had competent white Germans doing this back then
>>535616236>The Apollo program took 8 years of development until landing on the moonAnd all it cost was 5 astronauts directly related to apollo/training for apollo. With an additional 3 if you count the training jet crashes Starship has as of yet killed noone and has been mired in a regulatory swamp that the NASA of the 60s couldn't have imagined. The world's a different place today than it was then.
>>535616953No one has even tried flying the Starship and with a near 50% failure rate no one will anytime soon. Explain precisely which regulations have prevented them from even trying to put a human aboard a starship after 14 years and which regulations cause it to keep exploding.Even the much maligned shuttle only took 9 years of development until it's first orbital flight. Sooner or later you have to admit that the Starship has achieved next to nothing after 14 years of development and with its current failure rate it looks unlikely to achieve anything anytime soon. And remember Musk said starship would put people on Mars by 2024 when scamming the US government for funding.
>>535616866Their salaries cost too much. Better to hire H1B jeet engineers like Musk and watch your spaceships explode on the launch pad.
>>535617338>No one has even tried flying the Starship Those 5 astronauts died before the first apollo launch left the pad.>when scamming the US government for funding.Starship isn't f9 kiwianon. Starship has received zero actual govt funds yet as far as I know. If you can show otherwise I'd be open to the information. The closest thing I can think of is the HLS contract but I'm pretty sure that pays out on delivery of hardware, they don't get fronted anything.
>>535614239i notice the explosion and flames are all directed towards where humans would be strapped in if this was a manned flight. very based considering they would have made it all the way to mars and back, only to fry during the last 10 minutes of the mission
>>535616555>>535616597>>535616667jej
>>535614239Omg, le data is so heckin BEAUTIFUL....what a success
>>535614587They're cheering because only America can even get that piece of shit off the ground.
>>535615264Elon has no plans beyond self aggrandizement. He is a fraud
Friendly reminder that the European Space Agency still maintains that reusable rockets are a gimmick
>>53561473945 launches and 20 years later they still can't get the shit to not blow up.
>>535614843because the new technology is significantly more complex due to the fact that the entire point is making rockets that are not just single use but can make two way trips
>>535614239Did they fuck it up again?
>>535616224you're mom is le gay elonalso your sonxoxo
>>535618377seemed like it was a 50/50 chance of it happening
>>535617769Musk was in front of congress when he was he said starship would land people on Mars in 2024. Whether he was getting funding for starship or a different project it's all the same grift from Musk over-promise and under-deliver, scam taxpayers and venture capital, pump the stock price to keep the pyramid scheme going. >Those 5 astronauts died before the first apollo launch left the pad.And a year later they had men in space. Meanwhile Starship won't risk losing any Astronauts because they are no where ready for crewed flight after 14 years.
>>535618247friendly reminder the ESA launched 181 tons to orbit in 2025, while the "reusable gimmick" the falcon 9 launched almost 3000 tons.
>>535614239Do you ever get tired of being retarded for a living?
>>535618538>Musk was in front of congress when he...So that's a no then. Starship has not in fact received any govt money for its development. Glad we cleared that up.
>>535618538yeah yeah its always the same thing.ive been watching since falcon 1 failed 3 times, barely made it the 4th and worked perfect the 5th.people said it was over then.i watched the like 900 failures of falcon 9 landingspeople said it will never land.now they land all the time and nobody even cares anymore.itll be fine, eventually.and why the fuck do you care lmao.you are a kiwi.
>Elon Musk and his own paid shillslol, what a faggot
>>535618709>These are the major sources of government funding for Starship.>2021 — Initial HLS Contract: \$2.9 billionNASA selected SpaceX to develop a Starship‑based lunar lander for Artemis III. >2022 — Option B Contract: \$1.15 billionNASA expanded the contract to include a second crewed lunar landing demonstration for Artemis IV. >Total Artemis HLS funding so far:> \$4.05 billionYou don't know shit. You've been scammed by Musk.
>>535619418So HLS is what we saw blow up today? Or is that something completely different that's under development and has received incremental progress based contract payouts just like Blue Moon? You should look deeper into these things before making yourself look like a dunning kreuger catastrophe.>You don't know shit.You sure don't.
>>535614438>The shareholder will provideTaxpayer mostly. SpaceX gets government grants and subsidies out the wazoo. Elon is a welfare queen of unimaginable proportions.
>>535614239Considering it was landing in water im not sure a safe landing was ever the point
>>535614239What they did to timmy was horrible.
>>535618538Starship program has cost 15 billionApollo program cost the equivalent of 300 billion
>>535620353Compare the number of times each of those two programs reached the moon.
Elon Musk's first wife once described what it's like to watch him fail.She said he doesn't react the way normal people react. When a rocket explodes, most people in the room go silent. Some cry. Some start calculating the financial damage.Musk pulls out his phone and starts making calls. Not emotional calls. Engineering calls. "What failed. When can we fix it. When's the next launch." His voice doesn't change. His face doesn't change. The rocket that just cost $60 million is already in the past. The next one is all that exists.She said it was the most unsettling thing she'd ever witnessed. Not because he was cold. Because he genuinely wasn't affected. The failure didn't register as failure. It registered as data. An experiment that produced results. Results that inform the next experiment.This is why he wins. Not because he doesn't fail. He fails more spectacularly than anyone in history. He wins because failure occupies zero psychological space. It enters as data and exits as action.Most people lose not because they fail but because they spend weeks processing the failure before acting again. Musk spends zero seconds. The gap between failure and next attempt is a phone call.
>>535622511+1 Rupee redeemed saar thank you for kind post
>>535618309>because the new technology is significantly more complex due to the fact that the entire point is making rockets that are not just single use but can make two way tripsand this is stupidmuch more problems will occur from a reusable rocketenjoy being exploded to bits, goyour stonks were worth it
>>535619855Shouldn't have given your money to the govt.
>>535614438>Dumbass thinks shareholders care about space meme
>>535622511>>535623266the stinky jeet is right.this is why most people are poor. they are afraid to fail.
>>535614843>>535615400>>535616224>>535617338The earth is flat and stationary. They are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive and neither are you retarded golems. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway.
>>535614239Why are we wasting time on space again?
>>535614239There are worse uses for your tax money.
>>535614239Crashed better than expectations. Definitely worth a $3 trillion valuation at this point
>>535614843US govt was spending like 10% of GDP on NASA during the moon landing lol.
>>535614239This shit has been exploding for a decade now. For a manned mission it should have dozens perfect flights without any problems. You niggas are getting scammed by musk ain't nobody is going to mars
>>535622511>The gap between failure and next attempt is a phone call.Easy to do that when you have always had backing. How many fuck ups do you think his parents money paid for in the before times hmmm? I'd wager quite a lot. When you always have a support net, it's easy to just jump because you know you will not be seriously affected. Now, if he had sunk his last penny into this rocket and success or failure meant life or death, i'm pretty sure after the rocket exploded he would have held a gun to his temple instead of a phone.
>>535619780Musk has only done private fair funding and not sold vaporware in the most destructive way of anyone, right
>>535614239That's not very eco-friendly.
>>535615400How many metric tons have any of them taken into orbit? ZERO
>>535616236>nearly a 50% failure rateyou're a pessimist and erroneously round numbers.12 flights with 7 successes and 5 failures = 60% success rate. Do you know how many V1s and V2s exploded trying to get the thing stable just to launch? Today we have consistently stable ICBMs and advanced jet aircraft because of the base from the V2's initial development.What do you think we'll have when Starship stabilizes in a few years from now? The stars are the limit, are you going to let a 60% success rate deter you?>>535616275part of conquering death is escaping the innumerable hazards existing in the universe. space flight increases odds of survival.
>>535616236They don't have stolen Nazi scientists anymore.
why did it blow up
>>535619855SpaceX has government funding in the form of contracts for services because NASA is so shit, they have to rent out SpaceX in order to launch satellites and astronauts to space, retard. In that sense, the US government is a client.
>>535614239Who’s filming and how did they get there in time to film?
>>535614843Because when they went in the 60s they did the absolute bare minimum need to do it, nowadays they are overengineering everytihng because these are all make-work projects not actual missions
overall not bad for the first rocket of version 3the good>heat tiles performed well, they had problems with that before>satellite pez dispenser worked fine>starship performed its functionthe bad>some engines on starship failed (they compensated with longer burns and it was able to finish its mission)>superheavy booster didn't perform its re-entry burn for some reason, it did land in the ocean as planned but they werent able to do the re-entry burnthey didn't want to risk a landing on the tower with the first of a new version. it was always planned that it would land in the ocean. that part is not a failure.you have to remember, this is a fully reusable rocket, that has never been done before. its a massive engineering challenge, literally rocket science. but if it works it will all pay off, lowering cost per pound to space by 10x, maybe as much as 100x over time with mass production.there are shills who hate elon because he backed trump and doesn't believe in trannies. they will attack spacex in their anger, often using dishonest arguments, you know what shills and leftoids are like. if elon hadn't backed trump and if he had bent the knee to trannies these threads shitting on spacex wouldn't even exist.
>>535614843they can, but they don't need to right now, that's not the point. they just want the thing to fucking work, they're not trying to do orbital missions right now. they are not trying to make orbit right now. you make it sound like they are trying to make orbit and failing, thats not whats happening here.
>>535614587it was always going to explode. that wasn't a surprise. they cheered because despite losing some engines it still managed to pull off a soft landing in the ocean. but when it tips and falls over into the water, which of course its going to do, yes it explodes, because its full of flammable liquids duh.
So, did they land on mars yet?
>>535616236apollo program had a lot more money, essentially infinite money, as much as it took to beat the soviets as a national priority, a blank cheque. and this is a fully reusable rocket, which has never been done before. and they are not even trying for orbit yet until they get it right, which is very hard.i remember before the falcon 9 many "experts" said it was literally mathematically scientifically completely impossible to land and reuse a booster. thats how hard this is. but today falcon 9 has had over 500 landings and is responsible for 90% of the mass lifted into space annually.
>>535618538musk always gives optimistic timelines. he explains that he only gives the "if nothing goes wrong" timeline because he cant predict what will go wrong. but something always goes wrong and thats normal and if musk didnt have some kinda autism his timelines would guesstimate some things going wrong and he'd give longer timelines like most people would do. hes explained this many times.
>>535623353reusable rocket boosters now account for over half of all rocket launches and 90% of all mass put into space annually with 598 successful landings
>>535628277Nah, he's just hyping up his own product while sitting on the drug of the week. An autist would throw an immediate hisfit why his machine isn't working as intended.
>>535627202Days before the launch they send marine assets out to the designated landing zone. In the hours before the launch is to occur they go to the specific planned location of splashdown, and drop a couple of rafts with trolling motors, starlink terminals and cameras. Then when the rocket is up in the air making its way over they motor a few km away to a safe distance and lanuch some drones to capture alternate angles from the air. I have a sneaking suspicion they also have huge gimbal setups on the boat to capture engineering grade footage of the ship coming in on its approach, but that they just don't ever release that shit like all the dozens of cameras on the inside and outside of booster and ship that never see the light of day, or the crazy tracking footage that almost never gets released either.These test launches are extremely elaborate operations.
>>535622511Keeps don't write this cogently. It's an AI pasta sent by an ugly illiterate goblin covered in shit
>>535615342And then what? Oh yeah more rockets. Wow he must be a criminal mastermind to use IPOs to build his companies and colonize Mars. How is that legal? We need more welfare for the rest of us
>>535629944Checked and sweet-footage-pilled.
>>535615643have funhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am7EwmxBAW8
The pentagon will pay for it dont worry.
>>535616236Apollo wasn't sustainable whatsoever. And it was replaced by a total failure, the space shuttle. Together NASA killed the space race and killed space exploration for decades since their success made the program unsustainable for the soviets politically and economically (they were now playing catch-up and losing too)The difference is that SpaceX is building an actual ferry that can go to other planetary bodies and come back for an sustainable price. And since it can carry hundreds of tons it can carry the machinery to make its own fuel too, provided there is ice, since it runs on methane-oxygen which is plentiful, available in many places in the solar system and doesn't require extreme chemical precessing, just freezing, which is easy to do in space.
>>535622511This is indian propaganda.Im pretty sure he is deeply unsettled when his cars dont sell and when his experiments don’t work. They can computer simulate anything and it means the engineers failed. At a certain point it becomes a flawed project you were supposed to quit and move on.
>>535614239Why are they so obsessed with doing this shit instead of just using parachutes?
we could have fed that rocket fuel to children in africa!!!!!!!!
>>535615850kek
>>535632048id rather have them have that fuel to burn criminals than give it to elon musk the pedophile
>Rocket explodes>Everybody acts like picrelI'm thirdie goyim but doing sweaty sciencey engineering rocket stuff, seeing it blow up, and then seeing everybody around clapping feels like a humiliation ritual
>>535615055Who gives a shit when nobody has healthcare or food? Yall are cheering for Elysium.
>>535615744>what'what's the pointTo steal a trillion dollars and then make it look like you tried doing something.So you build a rocket, 5 billion tops, crash it. Label everything really expensive.
>>535630438It's really great how all these really rich are so invested in helping us that they'll invest with no return coming until well after they are gone.Good guys.
>>535614239Did the numbskulls actually clap or is it edited in for the meme?
>>535615264Wait... do they think they can create the World to Come on Mars after they destroyed earth for tikkun olam????? I never drew the connection between those two ideas until now. Holy shit the secular ones are so much more depraved than the haredim. Kill all hilonim and masons NOW, for the sake of literally all under heaven!
>>535614438actually its 401k holders that will be paying for this.
>>535633726They do actually cheer every time they waste another 100 million dollars
>>535614239The goys are the ones who are getting paid thoughThat's why space and military shit is based. White dominated industry
>>535614843reinventing the wheel with infinite money glitch, once it is nearly identical to the ones in 60s you slap the tesla onions slop logo on its ass and the investors/government will thank them for it.
sad to send all that good metal to the ocean floor
>>535614239I understand the need for all this testing, but is Starship rigged to blow? Thing detonates once starship hits the water was it full of fuel for some idiotic reason or do the blow it on purpose?
>>535637031no, hitting the ocean fractures the fuel tanks creating a natural explosion
>>53561484319 The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above[a] proclaims his handiwork.
>>535637556thx I forgot the whole thing was starship I was thinking it was on a booster stage which makes no sense, starship is just really long for a final stage.
>>535614843>>535637914KJV puts it better.>19 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
>>535637984Pretty sure KJV is the translation that this verse would have been pulled from at the time as well
>>535614739Actually the tiles on the upper stage seemed to have worked quite well on reentry..
>>535616224So this is where differentials and limits come into play?
>>535625983>da earth is flatKill yourself.
>>535614239they are destroying the technology after each run so they have to start over every tim
>>535618175Kill kikes and masons and we will do real science faggots
>>535626163It's a giant coke can with some bathroom tiles glued to it. Why do they expect it to do anything but explode?
>>535614239The post nut clarity after that release though.
>>535614438imagine trying to naysay this - I don't know any more accurate marker for double digit IQ or just being a general loser who HATES successful bold people who take chances
>>535634607>>535634607>They do actually cheer every time they waste another 100 million dollarsIt's their job, they are extra on a movie set.
>>535614239It doesn't matter if they keep blowing up hardware, because the hardware is essentially free.What costs big money are the factories and workforce, not the materials. SpaceX is currently bleeding billions every year on Starship because it has massive factories online but no finished design to produce. The factories and workforce are going to cost about the same regardless of whether they are idle or are producing big fireworks, so they might as well produce big fireworks.
>>535614843They could get the thing to orbit if they wanted to, but getting to orbit is not enough. Starship is a highly inefficient design because it wastes so much upper stage dry mass and cost to make the upper stage reusable, so Starship can only be economical if it is rapidly reusable.
>>535614239me at 0:23
>>535633237I have healthcare and food. Have you tried not being poor?
>>535614843They got the payload into orbit, they're trying to make boosters that come back to land on Earth to reuse them. In the 1960s the boosters ended up burning up into pieces that fell in the ocean
>>535615055Suborbital...
>>535614843Both soviet and us space tech was carried by germans
>>535614239Rich people piss me off. We don't need this ghey space shit. There is nothing else in our solar system that we can't find on Earth. The moon is an airless rock, and Mars is a thin atmosphere radiation nightmare. We have no business pouring our precious resources to send a few people on rickety rockets to stand on distant rocks when there are plenty of real problems and suffering happening here at home.
>>535614239Got to Splode some Rockets to make some Rockets
>>535616224Don't bother. These threads are filled with jealous melaninated individuals, flat earthers that believe crystal resonance heals your spiritual self, glowies frustrating the actual smart people so they don't do anything useful, and shit slingers who love chaos.I cant wait for the day we wave goodbye to them from orbit, occasionally getting radio signals on how the browns are taking over (and that's a good thing!) which will eventually turn into please for help because browns are eating them.
>>535616112Based and underrated
It's actually impossible to get to mars or achieve any of Elons grifting LARP goals There's a few autistic schizo's on twitter who constantly call Elon out for this, im surprised he hasnt banned themBut basically its all a LARPHumans wont have the technology to do what Elon wants to do for another 1000 years at the very earliest, and thats considering if its even possible to begin with.Space is extremely dangerous and infinitely large, the amount of resources it takes to maintain actual spacecraft with a decent crew let alone hundreds of people is literally impossible with what technology existsIts just all a LARP/Grift for Elons mental illnessFYI: I have no bias against Elon, this is not political, its just all 100% facts ofGo look at what is required to move stuff in space, what you need, how long it takes to get anywhere, its just all a fucking joke, we're unironically stuck on earth for at least the next few thousand years.
just a fyi: Just to get to the nearest star, with current technology, the fastest ship, would take 7,000 yearsIm sorry but we're not going anywhere anytime soon, not for thousands of yearsCivilization is going to keep booming and collapsing forever, there will never be a time where we get off earth and do anything.Space is just too big, even Science FICTION technology where you have some kind of infinite food / water supply replication device on a ship, so u dont need to ever carry water and food still makes it impossible because the universe is just to fucking bigLegit, even sci fiction like startrek & star wars can be debunked in terms of the ships and scale and how they break the fundamental reality of spaceEven if you had science fiction technology, space is still too big & dangerous to actually travel through.Im just saying bros, its all fucked.SpaceFags dont want to hear this though, theyre literally like a cult, you arent allowed to speak about fundamentals of the reality of space travel
>>535645081>Lots and lots of reddit-tier wordsWe are leaving you behind ranjeet, and there is nothing you can do about it. I'd rather cut off all foreign aid, reduce military funding to a defense function, and then redirect those hundreds of billions to this. You don't have the wiring to understand how critical this is to the survival of our species.>He typed on is computer that is not real because shooting lightning through crystals to converse over vast distances isn't something that will be ready for another 1000 years.
>>535645621I didnt say anything about earth being flat you, not sure why you posted that image.The fact is even with science fiction tier technology taken from startrek or starwars, space travel would still not actually work, because all of that scifi tech breaks realities of space travel.The ships in starwars would not function in real life, the ships in startrek have technology that requires more energy to use than all energy combined in the universe.Its all bullshit and impossible.We are stuck here.At most we'll travel around locally within our own little solar system of a few planets and our own sun, thats about as far as it'll go, and nothing is habitable, dont even get me started on colonization of mars, because that itself is impossible for thousand reasons, again, even with sci-fi technology.You'll find all sci-fi technology ignores core issues in order for them to "work" in reality if you applied those technologies they dont actually work in the real world in space.
>>535614843This what happen when you kill Germany importing third world low iq monkeys
>>535646054Only someone with double digit IQ would confuse fantasy with reality. With our current understanding of physics, yes stars are out of reach for anything but generational ships. We have the technology TODAY to colonize both the moon and mars, but it would be prohibitively expensive. This rocket's primary objective is to reduce the cost per kilo lifting outside the gravity well. The bootstrap problem means a lot of launches.There is plenty to do in our own solar system until we figure out interstellar distances, not to mention having a backup for when the next extinction level event happens on earth. Imagine a second planets available resources.Your lack of imagination and poor understanding about how far our understanding of physics has gone just proves the point - you don't have the wiring to understand, so it is out of reach and impossible. Hence the flat earth picture - different argument (muh starwars!), same hopeless outcome.
>>535619855that money rightfully belongs to niggers and israel>>535614438no IPO yet>>535618377no, the flight was to stress test having certain heat shield configurations removed to determine if that would affect its ability to takeoff and reenter. it met it's metrics for success
>>535630438>And it was replaced by a total failure, the space shuttle.>Together NASA killed the space race and killed space exploration for decadesYou mean the space shuttle that enabled the construction of the ISS, which became NASA's focus after the Apollo program? The USSR was never trying to go to the moon and went on to collaborate on building the ISS. There haven't been any achievable objectives in terms of manned "exploration" since the moon landings.
>>535648461The IIS's orbit was modified for that collaboration to make it absolutely useless as the sub orbital resupply station it was intended for in the much larger plan to put a permanent presence on the moon. A plan that was severely cut back for budget reasons to only the suborbital resupply component - aka the space shuttle.Those resources went instead to produce four billion Africans, Indians, and Chinese while also gutting our manufacturing ability to ensure we never try anything as ambitious and inspiring again. Jokes on them though because once the White man is out of the picture it turns into planet of the apes.
>>535646742you're retarded like the other guycolonizing the solar system will be very expensive and difficultLet's say for example a lunar base, it must be built underground near the ice (for water and oxygen) and for protection against radiation, rain of micrometeoroids, also you will need a good location because communcation with earth and light from the sun, you will need a nuclear reactor because solar won't be enough in the long term, that's not to mention other problems, for example atrophy of muscles and bones due to weak and fluid redistribution, which can lead to health issues like space anemia and vision problems, so your space nerds will need to work out 3 hours daily while working 14 hours or more to keep the base aliveThat's only the Moon, Mars will be a few times worse duo to the distance from Earth(so no backup in case of something goes wrong), dust storms who cover entire continents for weeks, isolation, the land who's not fertile so you can't grow shit etcTo put bases with humans to thrive on different planets in the solar system is a pipe dream now or in the near future
>>535614239Until Elon showed up again on AF1 I was a fan and very supportive. Now he is nothing more than a riastie with a black eye moving back in with her totally changed ex-boyfriend. >shameful dispray elon-kun. I’m sure he will manage to enjoy his billions and somehow comfort himself from the tragedy of losing my respect. It is unfortunate tho. Especially after he tip-toed onto the fringes of Christianity before jumping back onto the coat-tails of a literal antichrist.
>>535625163Lol wtf how many copies did this slop sell?
>>535650194>colonizing the solar system will be very expensive and difficultYes it will. Ask me how I know you are brown, because exploration and conquering new frontiers are in my blood. You have no such ambition, because you are not capable to see far enough into the future to see the benefit.
>>535614239can everyone polute the ocean or just elon?
Was it supposed to do that
>>535614239Space exploration is pointless when we haven't even conquered our own ocean depths.
>>535614239>buy our IPO goy, we need more money to blow shit up
>Keeping 1 atmosphere in is the same thing as keeping 371 atmospheres out at the average ocean depth.
>>535650673yes actuallythey weren't going to try to land the first version 3 starship on the tower, they need 2 successful soft landings in the ocean first before they try for a tower landing because they don't want to risk losing the tower. starship successfully did the soft landing in the ocean. and then it exploded when it fell over, which is expected and unavoidable when a rocket tips over and falls on its side. thats why people were cheering. retard midwits who think they're smarter than everyone else are calling the explosion a failure because they have elon derangement syndrome ever since elon backed trump and denounced trannies.masculine: taking risks, achieving progressfeminine: avoiding risks, shitting on progressmost leftoids are female and they come here and post their shitty chick logic and argue like brats not listening.
$3 trillion IPO confirmed
>>535650881there is no possibility of a extinction level object coming from the ocean .. whereas we have been very fortunate to live in a period where no significant object (save for Tunguska which was minor) has hit the planet and vulcanism is very quiet. Statistically we are due a significant strike at any time, add to that the threat of a major flare wiping out communications and electricity based technology .. Musk isn't being to hysterical about the importance of building off this planet in some way. 3d printing has completely changed the way rocketry is done .. we have 1/2 a chance at least of being a solar wide species.
>>535614239>rocket just dumped 100 tons of jet fuel into ocean>hurray! good job everyonethese same retards probably also support YOU raising YOUR AC temperature to combat climate change
>>535652193are you huffing butane ?? They use Liquid Oxygen and Methane
>>535628161Launch costs were about the same adjusted for inflation. Next cope?
>>535630438Apollo was totally sustainable considering it's launch costs were roughly the same as the space shuttle and this pile of shit when adjusted for inflation.
>>535614843>>535614843>>535614843BECAUSE THE GERMANS ARE ON THE MOON AND NO WE ARE NOT LETTING YOU SHITSKIN WEIMERIMUTTS OFF OF THE PLANET YOU'RE STUCK HERE IN QUARANTINE
>>535648461The space shuttle didn't deliver any of its promised improvements over nonreusable rockets. It's launch costs were more expensive and it's reliability lower. Furthermore it's launch cadence wasn't any better than non reusable rockets.
>>535626531Golly if only had the gayX guys could draw upon a century of technological expertise to make their rocket actually work... imagine if this logic was applied to modern cars>yeah the wheels fell off again but they are trying to do new things OK, do you know how many model Ts broke down?
>>535652322did you really think i wouldn't look it up and call out your dishonest bad faith lie?the cost of launching a saturn v adjusted for inflation was 995 million. the cost of launching a starship prototype is 100 million. that's almost 10x the price for apollo.the production mass produced version of starship could cost as little as 2-3 million per launch due to reusability and mass production. 2 to 3% of the cost of the saturn v
>>535652747they're not trying to make yet another disposable rocket though, they're trying to make a fully reusable rocket, which has never been done before.
>>535652322>>535652457Putting 100 tons into orbit is a game changer, as is reusable rockets for more than just not throwing away one rocket per launch. How about posting those inflation adjusted costs for each? You are full of shit though so you won't.>>535652544The space shuttle was designed as a resupply for a LEO station as part of an entire system of craft for a permanent moon outpost. Yeah of course it failed at its mission, since all but it were scrapped and they repurposed it for other things it was hardly intended for.>>535652747>Dishonest nigger doesn't factor into all the recalls for engineering failures in cars.
>>535652544yeah the space shuttle failed in its primary objective which was affordability. the plan was to use an affordable space shuttle to build in space the ships we would launch to other planets. but it ended up being so expensive there was no budget left for that. it set the space program back decades.
>>535652193Environmentalism is dead, either we build the data centers or the economy collapses.
>>535628381It's just the falcon 9 and it's just launching starlink. SpaceX created a demand for launches that didn't exist prior by spaming starlink sats and making them deorbit so quickly thus requiring constant launches.
>>535653042Look up NERVA, they had live tests in the 80s, but fags had to kill Saturn V. They gave up more than you know.
>>535626611Because hollow cylinders are not very good at withstanding lateral forces, and there's still a significant amount of fuel+oxygen in the tanks when it pops.Exploding also helps ensure that no one can fish it out of the ocean intact and potentially reverse engineer it.Eventually it will complete a full orbit (maybe more than one) and be caught by the tower, but they need to be very confident in the vehicle before they can risk damage to the tower by attempting the first catch. Additionally they are still keeping it on a sub-orbital trajectory for safety purposes, so that if something does go wrong with the vehicle it won't get stuck in a decaying orbit and/or re-enter over a populated area.For now, it lands at a virtual tower in the ocean to test the accuracy and reliability, but since there is no actual tower it just tips over after engine cutoff.
>>535629944>These test launches are extremely elaborate operationskek its all fake moron
>>535652833Nah you need to use total project cost / number of launches, not Elons meme number.
>>535652833And the total project cost is currently 15 billion.
>>535614239>15th timelolyou need to gather data hundreds of timesV-2 needed 190 tests
>>535653331>>535653530The total cost for Apollo was $260B (low estimate), and NERVA was a stupid idea. Spreading radioactive slurry over miles of terrain if something happened on the way up or down was a real risk.
>>535653356the one catch they did was very impressive achievement ngl .. and I am usually a total cynic
>>535653157China is mostly ignoring the eco laws .. what they emit every dwarfs anything we do to offset it.
>>535653216>>535653530falcon 9 also carries about 80% of the mass to orbit not including starlink. it is by far the most successful and launched rocket in the world. and starlink has been very profitable for spacex.>>535653435really? on a prototype rocket vs a finished rocket? not a fair comparison but ok lets run those numbers. saturn v program cost adjusted for inflation: 34 billionnumber of launches: 13cost per launch: 2.6 billionstarship program cost: 15 billionnumber of launches: 12cost per launch: 1.25 billionso saturn v costs about twice as much per launchbut this includes the cost of the launch tower and the factories building the ships and everything. so that cost per rocket for spacex will decline once the infrastructure is built out.also the starship isn't finished, they are not reusing the starship or mass producing it yet. so these costs will come down a lot more.
the ONLY reason people are complaining about spacex is trannies and trumpbefore elon denounced trannies and backed trump nobody was complaining about spacexthese are leftoid shills, mostly women, with chick logic and bratty arguments. they don't understand taking risks because they're so feminine. they will never understand
>>535653815For sure. They have been a little more confident with the booster. Though from this latest flight it seems the new engines have some teething issues. The ship itself is a lot more difficult to catch because it's coming in from (nearly, in this case) full orbital velocity and has to do the flip maneuver right at the end.
>>535614587Elons company hires everyone Maybe not Aussies though, since you guys are dumb
>>535614843Keeps bouncing off the dome
>>535653904China and India. Both are turning into toxic hellholes. I just feel bad for the Japs, who are downwind of all that pollution. China's plan is to escape into space or colonize Africa. India's is just to move anywhere but India, and then turning their new domicile into a polluted hellscape too.
>>535647012>no IPO yetsoon, this stunt was supposed to drive interest.SEC paper was filed 3 days ago.https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1181412/000162828026036936/spaceexplorationtechnologi.htm
>>535654733Herp durp
>>535614843They had Whites working the engineering departments back then. Now they have jeets
