Right-wingers argue that government spending can't create economic value, deficits are always bad, and the free market is the only thing that works!CECOT was a Federal Government Project, the government borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars to build CECOT, and guess what?Economic studies have concluded that this thing has paid for itself MULTIPLE times over in additional economic value generated, it's not even close. Because of CECOT housing the violent gang members that made economic activity impossible, and costed society billions through deaths, injuries, and robberies, El Salvador has generated BILLIONS more in economic wealth it wouldn't have otherwise.Government spending works, spending half a billion on a prison to bring your nation from the most dangerous in the world to one of the safest.... yields a positive economic ROI.
>>535847666I'm not a fiscal conservative. There's no such thing as "right wing economics" beyond believing that a gift economy doesn't work, and many left wingers think that too.The core problem with government spending is the short time-frames democracy works under.
>>535848191You have the Mises institute that argues government spending is always wasteful due to the economic calculation problem
>>535847666>Right-wingers argue that government spending can't create economic value, deficits are always bad, and the free market is the only thing that works!This is usually in the context of subsidies and welfare, not services. There is no free market equivalent to the criminal justice system, it is a state monopoly
>>535848563Many ANCAPs i spoke with say there is.
>>535847666That's true to a certain extent, if the prisons make money off slave labor, there is an incentive for the state to craft zealous laws to arrest people, which can cause exodus and then leave the state with a bunch of stupid prisonners and less of the fine grain.
>>535847666>keep calm
>>535849838No i mean even if they don't do labor, CECOT doesn't make them do labor.It generates value by keeping them off the streets where they cause mass economic damage.
>>535847666>Right-wingers argue that government spending can't create economic value, deficits are always bad, and the free market is the only thing that works!Only low-end right wing conservatives actually believe this. Or myopic academic libertarian types.Top of the food chain right wingers understand exactly how government spending works -- they just want it monopolized to benefit their interests, not yours.At the end of the day, money is a creature of the State. The chartalists are correct. Modern monetary theory is correct. Government spending is the origin point for money.
>>535847666This proves right wing economics. If you force jews to work its profitable, where as if jews arent forced to work they drain value. Jewish slavery solves everything. Those are communist drug cartels in prison, and communists as we all know are jewish.
>>535847666nobody else checked this. sad!not to mention all of the roads, stoplights, sewer systems, airports, seaports, etc that are funded by government, but overwhelmingly used by commercejapan became a manufacturing giant by subsidizing industry, and china has followed suitcountries that make sense, subsidize or completely pay for university and or trade training, knowing that a more skilled populace will benefit them in the long term. >>535848191there is too. it's even called austrian ecomonics! >short time framesi am with you here. nothing long term can be accomplished, ergo they never try and just do pork barrel projects. then the other party comes in and undoes the deal, costing 5x what it would have, then come up with their own scam which benefits their donors.democracy is also insidious because of the illusion of control. you never even get to hear of a candidate unless they have massive financial backing, which means they owe favours. the corruption is part of the system, built in.
>>535850330Even Libertarian chartlists argue the government spending for things like military or police and courts, and the FED which creates the money, should do it in the way that minimizes free market friction the most, and to such a small extent that it creates limited inflation.Or there's fixed money supply chartlists, the government should spend X money into existence and then cease so we have no monetary expansion
>>535850190Again its true but in certain contexts, building those prisons and lodging and feeding all those people is very expensive but it can still be an economic advantage to keep them locked up like if its drug dealers its reasonable to expect the people consuming less/no drug would be more productive workers and that.
>>535854014Also includes fraudsters*
>>535852617Well, there is a good argument that certain free market activities should take place, things that maybe work better outside of direct government oversight. You can argue about where that line is, I would certainly come in on the interventionist side but that's whatever.The thing with the argument over inflation is that assuming more equitable distribution, inflation doesn't seem like such a problem. The issue is you have a superclass that never feels it at all, and lower classes who get constantly squeezed. If spending was targeted bottom up wherein lower classes received more money, were more involved in production of goods and services, if additional productive assets were created and more widely distributed, then the inflationary effects would be mollified.Remember, taxation acts as a direct check on inflationary pressure. It is deleting money from the supply, not funding anything. Paying down debt deletes money from the broader supply. Not having to take on debt at all, or getting better terms when you do take it on, lessens the amount of money created (as loans are created as deposits, they don't come from existing reserves).
>>535847666This is also the whole modus operandi of the US Navy from it's inceptions. By going out of it's way to root out piracy, they ensured international shipping and trade could flourish. And still do to this day.
>>535849527>Many ANCAPs i spoke with say there is.no, you are talking shit, ancap core beliefs is that the state job of secuiry and legal systems must always be there. kill yourself or go into the closest helicopter you find (then jump)
>>535847666>memeflag>muh right v leftCuriously the evils of the jew were not mentioned by OP. Why is that?
>>535855758> And still do to this day.Nah actually that world is gone. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but the Gulf Arabs and Persians have lost most of their oil exporting abilities and they aren’t coming back. Sad! Invest in some Chevron stocks or something. They have exposure to Venezuela, the new Saudi Arabia oil exporter of tomorrow. You can thank me in 5-20 years whenever it starts doing well
>>535848483how does putting all the criminals in jail solve the economic calculation problem for commies?liek, ok, you don't have criminals any more, and people can finally do business without fearing for their lives, but you still have a whole economy to calculate and that's a problem for you.
>>535851945> democracy is also insidious because of the illusion of control. you never even get to hear of a candidate unless they have massive financial backing, which means they owe favours. the corruption is part of the system, built in.Yep it’s profoundly rotten and corrupt in any of its forms by definition. Everyone is incentivized to lie and cheat while acting as part of the political discourse.The Ancient Greeks who ostensibly invented democracy were right to label it a catastrophic mistake.
>>535856110No libertarian believes in a state you moron, rot in hell for lying
>>535856793You let the free market work at that point but you still had to use state planning to build the prison and fund the police force to round up the prisoners
>>535847666>the government borrowed hundreds of millions of dollars to build CECOT,They could have just bought an abandoned quarry and a couple thousand cartridges of 7.62x39 and solved the problem for under 10 grand.>>535848191>The core problem with government spending is the short time-framesThe problem with government spending is that there is zero fucking incentive to do it cheaply, efficiently, or even to deliver something that works. There is never ever any consequences for any sort of fraud, waste, graft, or gross incompetence induced fuckups. In fact there's a greater incentive for things to drag out, go over budget, and constantly require a fix.You can show up and pay attention to just your local town government and see this in action every day.
>>535847666Checked Satan, but it's absurd to argue that the right doesn't support government spending on physical security. Even the most extreme libertarian still argues in favor of a "night watchman state." That means cops and prisons, dipshit.
>>535858138Conservatives and libterarians don’t believe in that retard
CECOT proves that, even in 2026, you really can just do things
