>Want independence from US military sphere>Cant fucking decide anything between them since they all hate each ortherWhy are euros like this.
>>536701278Germany is an amerimutt vassal that's why. Retard.
>>536701278its all just bluster. if america ever left (they wont) they'd be on their knees in minutes.
>>536701278We all know what happens when you try and do anything jointly with the French
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>>536701561You still owe us 100 trillion for Concorde.
>>536701278They are spiders in a jar
>>536701278The competition makes us strong....we will have German fighters, French fighters, Sweden fighters and perhaps more will joit to race (Poland?).
>>536701660Ive never heard of that idiom. is it russian?
>>536701515thisentire project failed because of the frogs. same shit happened with the eurofighter in the 80s.
>>536701278Because most countries that are not excessively infested by universalism promoted by one imperial culture or another are literally the Hatfield's and McCoy's .They hate people in their neighborhood more than most everyone else.
>>536701278Europe needs to rebuild its defense industry infrastructure, which they intentionally gutted for no particular reason whatsoever. The UK cannot manufacture parts for its own tanks anymore.
>>536701278It's cause they (France) have enough money to do their projects independently to their own special specifications that Germany probably sees as silly, so they do. This doesn't mean shit for how well they work together outside that one point.
>>536705822Sure they can, they just build 100 new factories in about a month. None of this shit is hard bros, it isn't 1921 anymore.
>>536701470>its all just blusterthe EU loves mandating new initiatives and not funding them.
>>536701278Europe will never be great without federalization. There are just too many competing interests.
lmao tf we need a fighter jet for when the enemy is next door? Target shitskin enabling politicians and their children too.
>>536705972>Sure they can, they just build 100 new factories in about a month.Sometimes you can just detect someone's low IQ through the monitor.
We will never see smug euros fall to Russia because Russia is to incompetent to conquer anyone.
>>536701278because euroaches are vile, disgusting, filthy demonic abominations. wherever they go, they vomit, shit, urinate, and violate the fauna. this includes their own
>>536701327Lmao you all are, retard. You have a fake and gay illusion of autonomy but don’t forget we have multiple civilization ending weapons pointed at every one of your cities when you feel like getting uppity. You are unequivocally ruled by half brown mutts.
>>536701278Germany should join the GCAP fighter jet programme being pursued by the UK, Italy, and Japan. Pic related.>>536701327Or maybe the French weren't compromising enough with their requirements:>Paris and Berlin also differed over the fighter’s weight, with France wanting a lighter jet for aircraft carriers, while Germany pushed for a heavier one for air-superiority roles. Eventually, Berlin proposed building two aircraft — an option Paris rejected.https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-declares-france-germany-next-gen-fighter-jet-project-dead/
>>536701278Fighter jets are a thing of the past. UAV's are the future.
>>536702995France needed a real fighter (long range, can be launched by a carrier, can transport nuke), not just something for the show.Also the deal made was : France create the aircraft, Germany create the software. And out of nowhere, Germany decided it wanted to make the aicraft too. Of course, the goal was to make Dassault share industrial secrets so Germany could put hand on it. Our leaders are traitors so they are ok with it when this happen all the time. France always get cucked in that sort of deal. As the most traitor of them Macron was especially happy to give our secrets to Germany. But this time, Dassault grew balls and said no and that's a good thing. We'll have our long range fighter with nuke and carrier features and Germany their little plane to LARP as a military power.
>>536706686The future will be poolackenlümmel riding on donkeys and a tank mine strapped to their head going hussars again.
>>536706651>>536706651You do not need fancy tier 5 aircraft. There's not enough enemy tier 5 aircraft in the world for you to even worry about, unless you're planning on fighting America. What you REALLY need, and what the Ukraine war should have taught you all, is mass-production. You need 600-1000 reliable aircraft that can be manufactured and replaced easily. Because no fancy weapon survives attrition. Every single advanced weapon we've given Ukraine has been blown up at least once. Nothing is impervious, and very expensive technical weapons require too much capital and time to replace. Ie: do you really need a single $1 billion dollar artillery system that only needs to be damaged once? Or do you need 10,000 low tech but functional artillery systems for that same $1 billion?
>>536706453>shit-crusted jeet claws typed this
>>536706931lol france is world-renowned for blowing up every joint defense development deal
>>536701278>>536706651The fact of the matter is france should lead the effort as germoney has proven time and again to be completely incompetent. What is a heavy air superiority fighter supposed to do against a bunch of sams? Protip: nothing. Germans just want to play defense while hoping and praying any potential opponent gives up.
>>536701278they should just buy russian jets
>>536707376That's exactly why France backed off. Merz is an unreliable faggot and scat fetishists would rather invest in broom sticks than real military gear.
>>536706651>Germany should join the GCAP fighter jet programme being pursued by the UK, Italy, and Japan. Pic related.They can't afford it. Look at "NATO 3.0"America won't subsidize you folks anymore at those old rates. You're all gonna have to pay for bucks for defense, as you buy shit from us lmao. Goodbye social welfare programmes but you'll still import niggers and jeets and will be arrested if you say anything negative. Fuck it feels good to be an American. Shooting guns is loads of fun too!
>>536706443if the question was just to militarily fuck up europe then russia can do it just right now with all its rockets. The main question is what for if they are ideologically different and don’t want to have anything to do with russia? There is no way to change it. I mean look at the whole struggle in Ukraine.
france was probably right. they can do good stuff on their own
>>536701278Not even the first time this happened between France and Germany (Typhoon) or between Germany and the US, even (MBT-70)Germany is the problem.If they (or anyone) want French help to make a 6th Gen fighter, it has to be able to be navalized. That's what pushed France out of the Typhoon, and in the end France made the Rafale on their own.
>>536707003>unless you're planning on fighting America.guess whatyou'll never believe thissome of you are cool, don't go to Greenland tonight
I mean how hard can it be to build a jet? Simply an engine, airframe some software and your good to go.
>>536705822>for no particular reason whatsoeverAll those free gibs come at a hefty price. Besides, American suckers will pay for Europe's defense anyway, what with NATO and all. And finally, the Warsaw Pact are all gone and look what remains in its place lol
>>536708242a Brit can never be separated from their shed>Lucas (Electric), Prince of Darkness
Both of them are Jewish vassal states. At this point it might be best for Europe to stop defending them and let them fight in unification wars. Europiabs as a peoples have overwhelmingly failed to stand on their own and would likely be better off with a series of wars directed towards them from Russia and Turkey.
>>536707003I think you're right. Lots of planes and lots of drones.
>>536701278>the argument was over who sucks the most brown cock
>>536706931the deal loked like this you retarded frog:>germany paid 60% of this entire thing, france like 30% and spain 10%>france get everything they wanted, can be launched from a carrier, can transport nukes, all of these things were fucking useless for the bundeswehr>all technology would not be shared, instead the frogs kept all the technology for themself while germany pays the lion share for thisat the end everything failed because of dassault and the typical french arrogance. breaking this shitty deal for germany was merz best decision so far.
>>536708954A carrier launched aircraft just needs a hook and beefier struts. That for you could have been a blessing to operate in austere environments like the swedes and finns have figured out. The frogs still have a strong aircraft manufacturing base while you, are being left behind by leaps and bounds. If you join the GCAP program its will fail 100% and you will spew the same line of bullshit.
>>536701660 seconding this >>536702546
>>536701515Try to work together with frogs when you're not talking french and they're forced to talk english
And i swear its the language barrier that is the reason why Germany and Fronce will never get along on a great scale
>>536708954So whats your plan going forward, Hans?
>>536706651>Germany should join the GCAP fighter jet programme being pursued by the UK, Italy, and Japan. Pic related.Germany switched to a drone fighter design last week.
>>536701278France always do this, they sign up, try to get as much info as they can then always leave the project and build their own. Why anyone would even consider dealing with them is a mystery. They still think everyone should speak French FFS. Delusional.
>>536708264Americans are leeches in NATO and should finally pay up but sadly they're broke niggers.
>>536707669belfast happening tonight. google and aws datacenter better not burn. Just sayin.
>>536702546That's what a search came up with
