>Schedule1.6 - New Year Dash1.11 - Battle In the Valley>FAQs! New Japan Pro-Wrestling does not feature a weekly TV show like WWE, AEW, and TNA, instead relying on the streaming service of NJPW World for their shows.! NJPW's major shows all feature a clear schedule, and feature in the same buildings—Wrestle Kingdom occurs on January 4th at the Tokyo Dome, Sakura Genesis generally occurs in early April at the Ryōgoku Kokugikan, Wrestling Dontaku is mainly around May 1st - 4th at the Fukuoka Kokusai Center, etc.! NJPW Strong is the brand name for New Japan's American events. They carry their own belts, but the main NJPW belts can be defended in these shows as well.>NJPW World LinksIn-Browser: https://watch.njpwworld.com/App Store: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/njpw-world/id6451441843Google Play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tvasahi.njpwworldFire TV: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CCS28SGSRoku TV: https://channelstore.roku.com/details/2683188c1fe3c439b3e1109a0981febd/njpw-worldPrevious thread>>16232488
Is there a card yet for new year dash?
cursed fed
>>16652917new year dash doesn't usually have a cardyou find out what the matches are as you watch
Peak Aura
>>16652917Only Oleg vs Barnett
>>16652895A general for AEW’s developmental brand? I don’t think it’ll get over
any update on Douki
>>16652932>>16652939Thanks “tips”
>>16652948https://x.com/DoukiPerros/status/1875743698388185577
>>16652935carmen sandiego player
>>16652948no updates yet.https://x.com/taichi0319/status/1875528202015404289
People that watch old Japanese wrestling, do you just watch random matches or do you do specific time periods of promotions in chronological order?
>>16653056I brought the liger 30th anniversary dvd so I’ve been watching that recently
>>16652917>her hero is an eternal jobber
>>16653056Sometimes its a mood, like 90s junior heavyweights with el samurai and liger. Other times I want to watch angles unfold so I watch a few shows within a time period. Lots of the time its random shit eternally playing in the background
>>16653056I don't have the kind of interest in wrestling where I can plow through a whole load of matches that I'm not particularly interested in just do it "in order". I did try that a couple times and it quickly turned into feeling like doing homeworkSpecific time periods kind of happen naturally for most people though, I think. If some old match catches your interest for whatever reason, that leads you to seek out more matches like it. That's usually why I watch old stuff, anyway
What are you New Year Dash expectations?I'm guessing an Omega / Tanahashi team up to set up a match for Tana's retirement tour. Plays into the upcoming Omega / Okada angle too.
>>16653056Sometimes I just want to see a specific time period or event... but more often I try to follow a wrestlers' career. I'll pick somebody at random and watch matches from their Young Lion (or equivalent) era, then their midcard victories and star-making matches, then up to their champion era and into their grandpa years if applicable. It's fun to watch a wrestler grow and change, especially rewarding to see broad storylines play out over years.
https://gofile.io/d/vtiNMR
Anon what are you doing with your life? Inoki would be ashamed of you for wasting what precious time we have been given as humans. Make the most of your time, go beyond your limit and become a legend!
Never has a man been truly more alive and locked in, than in this moment. This is where he belongs.
>>16653464If it is where he belongs then why did he leave? Why does he only return for select dates? He is not a loyal player and his games are salty. They are lacking the sufficient emotions.
Shottetty Kwabetty Geeketty
Does anyone check what Nip was saying about WK and WD at 2chan?
>>16653056This is something I've always liked doing, whether it's a feud or a whole era like the Monday Night Wars (big regrets there though). I'd love a guide on following the mid-late 90s period.
>>16653474Him leaving makes perfect sense, to try and create what they had going on Japan in the west.Unfortunately, Tony had other plans. But from Omega's perspective, it was a noble experiment and to not have tried it would have been to always wonder if you could've done it.
>>16653688Then he never truly belonged if his goal was to make something else.
>>16653697I doubt it was a goal as much as having an opportunity that seemed beyond his wildest dreams. It's the easiest thing to understand in the world.
>>16653352Wish Inoki would possess my weak jaw and chin, that’s all I lack.
>>16652939Finally a real Inoki WrestleDream match
>>16653716>rated ftr at the store
What's next for him after delivering the most disappointing dream match in history ?
>>16653725kek
didn't watch Wrestle Transvestite, is it true that Shotetty got booed again ?
>>16653823he came out and cut a promo about you being a fag actually
>>16652895The real Reiwa Inoki
>>16653852He'd be dimes if only he didn't look too angloid.
>>16653841oh no it's the Shottettyschizohow you feeling about your boy being a complete bitch ? (KWAB)
>>16653725More like Rated FTR if they weren't cucked, small and fat.
>>16653898???
tsujischizo already having a mental breakdown
>>16653788That dumbass shirt lmao
>>16653697Are we gonna act like almost every legendary Japanese wrestler didn't try to fuck off and make their own promotion at some point
Don't settle for the arigatou players, you need something more than that to truly be a player of importance in this company, indeed.
>>16653852Call me a worked mark but I'll be shoot disappointed if he leaves New Japan even within the next 5 years. Like I get everyone else leaving and I'll even get it if ZSJ leaves but now with Gabe it's different. After last night and him coming out with the logo on his gear, he really is someone this company can and should rely on.
>>16654399I agree but I won't feel that way of NJPW is hesitant to push him into the main eventIf they rocket strap him up, though, he should definitely stay
>>16652935Midcarder aura
>>16654475Don't worry the main event of next WK is Shota Umino vs Naito
>>16654475> If they rocket strap him up, though, he should definitely stayThe same thing was said for Jay lol
>>16654485>Shamefur dispray
>>16653852>sheamus but in japan
So who does Takeshita team with on the smaller shows before his big matches? Can't be UE anymore after Callis and Fletcher turned on Ospreay
>>16654643Goto beat him clean in the G1 and he showed respect to Ishii, so maybe he can team with CHAOS and be their default leader?
>>16654564They didn't turn Jay face and last night proved they should have. They could've done the same thing with him, or really any gaijin dojo boy.Instead of a really slow burn NJPW face turn, we got a shitty half-assed AEW face turn in front of an audience that doesn't give that much of a shit about him and has no investment in his history
Predictions for tonight's show? I figure a TMDK/Chaos tag match since there are two NB title matches confirmed already. Maybe ZSJ/Oiwa/Fujita/Eagles/Hartley vs. Goto/Yoshi/Ishii/YOH/Rocky?
can someone explain new year dash to me as a concept?
If i was booking, i'd give Goto the title at NB, Tana a title match at the anniversary event, Gabe the cup, Title back to Zack at Dominon, G1 to Shota or Tusji.Naito vs the one who dosen't win the g1 at the dome.
>>16654725Annual mystery portal show with surprise fallout from Wrestle Kingdom. Depending on the year, they either announce the card at the top of the show or sometimes just have the audience figure it out when the entrance music hits for each match. It's been more fan service in recent years rather than a major show with one big event, but you never know. They've had unit formations/expulsions/returns many times, and at worst you'll just get a cool tag match with super teams.
>>16652895Bullet Club leader Baron Corbin finna be dimes ong
>>16654758no way that he will debut tonight.
>>16654751didnt riddle debut last year? i know something happened but i cant remember
>>16654767Yeah, the only match we know is on the card is Oleg and Josh Barnett since he asked for the match after the rambo
>>16654767Last year the "surprises" were:>TV title match (just Tanahashi vs. Taguchi)>Riddle debut promo video challenging Tanahashi>Oskar and Nakashima farewell match>main event team of Danielson/Moxley/Okada/Ishii (which actually lost to TMDK)
Think Kenny will work tonight?he did the last Dash after he worked a WK.
>>16654738No IWGP for Goto.
>>16654792He outright said "see you tomorrow" in his backstage comments, so I'd expect at least an appearance.
>>16654777Oleg is facing Takeshita for the NEVER at New Beginning so this is Barnett having a fun match and putting the kid over.
>>16652935*tips*
>>16654643He's joining the new Bullet Club offshoot with all the Japanese guys that are not Noge dojo products - Sanada/Jake/Kenta/Ishimori
>>16654758Nah he should join HoT
>look up Gave/Kenny reactions>it's almost nothing but people giving their flowers to KennyFucking shameful, Gabe was the heart of that match regardless of how good Kenny is
>>16654812that will be pretty dimes
>>16654850Yeah it's been funny to see people say shit like "the people chose gabe over shota" when that's been the case for a while. kenny's good, but that match had soul because of Gabe's passion.
>>16654850History remembers the winners, not the losersI agree with you though, love kenny but gabe deserves credit too
i know it's pretty much a gacha but nooj collection has some pretty nice looking cards
>>16654850It's particularly funny how people think Tanahashi was crying because of Omega being good
>>16653566I didn't know someone was gonna make a general so I made a whole thread about it>>16651698Don't bump it but the pics are there
i got this at toudokkan last year in japan. on the last dvd with his best stuff on there
>>16654939
I just kinda stared dumbdounded after Umino beat Claudio like that. I'm completely mystified by both Umino as a wrestler and his booking.
>>16654850Shouldn't be surprising if you're reading English comments. At the same time, I think Kenny is probably the only guy who has the ability, status, and AEW affiliation to push Gabe to that performance.
>>16654972something has to happen to give him a direction at NYDfuck do you even do with him at this point
>>16654972It's to set up a match against Moxley but no one cared about it when it happened for the IWGP and no one is going to care about it now
>>16654972The point in general was to give Finlay and Shota immediate pickup wins after WK. Doesn't work so well when those 2 AND Tsuji had the exact same macth layout and especially with how nobody wants to see this geek Shota win
>Goto comes out with Yoshi-Hashi and Ishii>Calls Yoh a faggot>They beat the shit out of him>Start a new factionwould it be based?
>>16655138Homophobia is cringe dude
>Doesn't beat Naito>Doesn't move up to Heavyweight Timebomb bros....
>>16655178I want this wrestler to die.
>>16654972It really feel like they don't know what to do with him. He was getting "babyface in peril" treatment through most of the Zack match, even after he pushed Red Shoes. Now he's valiantly taking on Mox and his evil gang of fags. Very bizarre. Feels like AEW Cody in a way
>>16655203Yeah there were times during that Zack match where I really was just wondering what the hell is going on with him, such a weird vibe. The crowd booing really just twisted the perception of what they were doing around, like a schizophrenic blender of face and heel dynamics.
>>16654399>Call me a worked mark but I'll be shoot disappointed if he leaves New JapanThe match with Kenny was his AEW try out. He's following the exact same path as Ospreay did>Get booked on Forbidden Door (eg Tony has noticed you)>Do a "I'm the Gaijin defender of NJPW" gimmick to get over with the Japs (and get more of Tony's attention)>Have a bangerino with Kenny at the Dome>Have an inferior rematch with Kenny at Forbidden Door (for Tony)>Sign with AEW >Have AEWtists saying "why isn't NJPW putting the IWGP Heavyweight title on Gabe" It's disappointing, but it is what it is
why does new japan suck inoki's dick so much if he nearly killed the company?
>>16655309i'd rather see him go to wwe desuat least then he'd get gunther and ilja
>>16655319same reason fans suck Tana's dick even though he nearly killed the company as a wrestler. He will complete the job as President though
>NJPW/AEW crossover show is a flop>Tana now says it's "esstential" to wrestle Nakamura, who is in WWE Very interesting indeed
>>16655552Tana was literally the Ace that led to Njpw's second golden age retard. inoki shit the bed so bad he sold new japan to yukes. and nearly ruined Nigatas career
So, who is gonna be Tanahashi's final opponent at WK 2026?
>>16655579it will be a tag match
>>16655579Well, do you want a "nostalgia" or "pass on the torch" match for his final match?Cause it's gonna be Shooter if its the latter.
>>16654850who else couldve given gabe that tyoe of match instead of kenny from njpw?
>>16655620considering he had matches very simlair with Henare/Ospreay/Kaito Kiyomiya
>>16655579
>>16655201My bad bros forgot to post the picture
>>16655936Him, too.
not excited to see goto job again
The Brits Gabe and Charlton are defending the spirit of Japan from the filthy foreigners. It's like that Shogun TV show
GOOOOOOING DOWN GAWKINGHOMOGOOOOOOING DOWN GAWKINGHOMOGOOOOOOING DOWN GAWKINGHOMOGOOOOOOING DOWN GAWKINGHOMO
>>16656562Walker thanked Tony Khan at the end of the show, like the grovelling American piggu he is
>Twinky Zacky vs Goto (historically the biggest choker in world title matches)>YOHmosexual & Cucky Romero vs Fujita and dimeless Robbie>Oiwa vs Yoshi Hashit in a dimeless low card bitch match>Hiromu & Wheelchairto vs Old Bucks the biggest anti-draw team in history>Another Despe vs Ishimori fight>Take a shit vs based Oleg for the NEVER drew a dime beltthat's the most likely card for Osaka. Holy grimola, they'll be lucky to sell 2000 tickets.
>2,348人down from last year's NYD (2,910人)
>>16656613yappari, new Japan is ice cold
>>16656625Indeed. Maybe they should bring back Jeong Mokusu Lee, he was less of an anti-draw than Zakku Sayba Junya senshu.
Shota Umino destroyed "the feeling"
>>16656762don't worry, Great-O-KWAB destroyed his paper belts so now the fans will finally feel sorry for him and he'll become a babyface superstar
>>16656822I hope O-Khan crushes him in a 2-minute shock ala Hiromu/KUSHIDA. That way we can actually get somewhere with him.
why doesn't kenny try half as hard for his own company?
>>16656912Poetry to pigs. Most of the American audience will lukewarm pop for anything remotely physically impressive.
why are poop dick wrestling fans butthurt ? what did the harry potter looking nigga say ?
>>16655559Inoki is still the founder of New Japan, he was the Ace and the Icon for the brand for the better part of 2 decades. You could (correctly) argue that he's responsible for nearly killing the company but it is an indisputable fact that the company wouldn't exist without him. They venerate the man as their founder, not as the confused old man that embezzled money in some misguided scheme to farm whatever bullshit in Brazil or the guy that tarnished an entire generation of his own workers by forcing them into shoot matches that he never would have had the balls to compete in when he was active.
>>16656755Zakku can't be that bad right?KOPW 2024: 6201. Up from 5002 in 2023Royal quest 2024: 1544. Down from 3191 in 2023.Power struggle 2024: 3773. Down from 4046Wrestlekingdom 19: 24107. Down from 27422New year dash: 2348, down from 2910.Damn, I thought people said ZSJ's bangers would carry the company.
>>16656912It's not just Kenny. Every worker goes to Japan and works their ass off, then go home and kick it into idle for a few months. God-tier iron men go to the states and become aimless bums. It's been common since the 70's when guys like Stan Hansen and The Funks would have good to great showings in America and then have classics in Japan. Flair has said repeatedly in interviews that the boys always knew the expectations were higher in Japan and that the local wrestlers would lay into you a little bit more. Vader, The Steiners, Sting, Rude, Hogan, Savage, DiBiase, etc. They always took it to the next level when they went to Japan. Styles treated NJPW as his chance to prove he was better than anyone had ever said he was, and prove that he could be a global star. Nakamura retired to WWE. Okada, Ospreay, Omega are all relaxing in AEW... Ospreay is reverting to his indyriffic flippy nonsense style as well.Why bother when you're getting paid big bucks to wrestle at half speed in front of narcissistic fans that would rather try to get an obnoxious chant over than watch the wrestling?
>>16657006good point. i really should watch more prime inoki stuff.
>>16657006But they should know that we, the western NJPW community, we all hate Inoki. He might be a Japanese icon to the Japanese nation or whatever, but NJPW is a global organization now so they should take our sensibilities into consideration. Every time they bring up Inoki, I cringe to my core.
>>16657069>narcissistic fans that would rather try to get an obnoxious chant over than watch the wrestlingThat's really the key. Western fans enjoy ironically but Japanese fans are much more willing to genuinely invest themselves in the performances.
>>16657009ZSJ needs decent opponents. He's good, maybe even great, but he's not on the level of a Bret Hart or HBK where they can lead a jobber to an excellent match. ZSJ doesn't have a lot to work with right now. Just look at the opponents they've given him:>Naito (Cagematch: 8.2)a broken down old man, and ZSJ got a better match out of him than Hiromu. >SANADA (Cagematch: 7.2)A star that didn't pan out and was already on a long downswing when they gave him a pity shot on a UK show. >Shingo (Cagematch: 8.7)Solid opponent even though he is clearly not seen as a top contender by creative anymore. He is still a reliable hand and will rise to the occasion. These two have a history of great matches, and this was no different.>Umino (Cagematch: 6.6)A 40+ minute forced epic with a rookie that hasn't nearly proven himself or justified his push. Umino literally forgot to sell a submission... nobody can get a star performance from this kid yet.>Ricochet (Cagematch: 8.0)Garbage indy shitter... and ZSJ still managed to drag him to a good match.ZSJ had a rather poor crop of talent to work with and a completely barren undercard as well. He can't carry the company with one-match cards.
>>16657009Seeing how much of a shitter anti draw Zack is really highlights how hard Naito was carrying that KOPW gate.
>>16657156Your core must be a mush then since Inoki is talked about on /pw/ daily and mostly in a good light. Also>welol
>>16657009>>16657336attendance numbers are a more complex problem than just choosing the right champion
>>16657108Absolutely, it's a bit dated, but if you have a tolerance for 70's and 80's wrestling you'll more than appreciate Inoki's work. I'd recommend some highlights:8/5/1971 Jack Brisco (JWA)3/19/1974 Strong Kobayashi10/10/1974 Kintaro Oki 12/12/1974 Strong Kobayashi10/7/1976 Andre the Giant12/11/1975 Bill Robinson 4/21/1978 Seiji Sakaguchi12/14/1978 Bob Backlund 5/9/1980 Stan Hansen6/2/1983 Hulk Hogan2/9/1984 w/ Maeda/Fujiwara vs Choshu/Hamaguchi/Yatsu4/19/1984 Inoki's Army vs Choshu's Ishin Gundan (10 Man Gauntlet) 4/18/1985 Bruiser Brody9/19/1985 Tatsumi Fujinami2/6/1986 Yoshiaki Fujiwara3/26/1986 UWF vs NJPW (Ten Man Gauntlet)4/27/1987 Masa Saito 8/19/1987 Ten Man Elimination 9/17/1987 Ten Man Elimination8/8/1988 Tatsumi Fujinami10/19/1988 Riki Choshu2/22/1989 Riki Choshu1/4/1992 Hiroshi Hase1/4/1994 Genichiro Tenryu 5/1/1994 Great Muta1/4/1996 Vader
Predict the next NJPW guy who'll actually move the needle. (in a good way)
>>16657524I was responding to a comment that essentially stated, "ZSJ's bangers were supposed to the carry the company but attendance is proving otherwise."I agree it's more complex than just the champion and his opponents. The lack of veteran talent, injuries, rushed younger talent, and a continued reliance on an overseas market that won't materialize are all leading to lower gates.
>>16657548Yuya Uemura when he returns from injury... and assuming they strap a rocket to him. Ryohei Oiwa if they give him the push that NOAH proved he is worthy of.
>>16657548you just posted him brother
>>16657534>Forgetting the 20-stars match Antonio Inoki vs Great AntonioShame on you, anon.
>>16657620I'm afraid that Gaydo and Trannyhashi totally killed him during the last year, that War Dogs heel turn isn't helping him.
>>16657623This is the most goddamned unintentionally funny match I've ever seen.
>>16657534>every single match is just a boring resthold festI tried to watch every single one of these and they all sucked and put me to sleep.70s wrestling is unbearable. A lot is owed to the guys who sped things up in the 80s.
>>16657623I wish I could do this to that faggot Hiromu
>>16657548>>16657620>>16657647>they killed SANADA by having Okada put him over clean and strapping the rocket to himMore like SANADA failed to capture the allure of the audience while at the top of the company.And no, the pity cheers he got during the Naito match at WK are not relevant.
Sanada was punished for embarrassing tonikan's favorite toy
>>16657676So much hate for Hiromu lately. Why did it take you all this long to hate his cringe ass?
>>16657683He did great in his first months as champIt's the Ebiru feud that started to kill him, he was ice cold by WK where Naito kept mogging him during the build then they make him job for Naito again for no reason. Then he did nothing for the whole year except getting squashed by a korean nigga, losing to Naito a third time and losing another world title match.
>>16657719>leaving out the fact that he was an absolute botch machine in all of his big spot matches>huge, very noticeable botches in each of them that caused the crowd to literally GROAN in agonyHe fucked up, man. We all watched it happen.
>>16654399He said he wanted to go to wwe and fight randy orton, being bonded with ufc, triple h could want him for a hot headed, conor mcgregor type, you can't have bold ideas in aew
>>16657693to be fair Jeong Mok got his revenge
>>16657623I was trying to highlight Inoki matches that casual fans HADN'T seen yet
>>16657756JEONGMOKI miss 2ch translations
>>16657697I always hated Soiromu
>>16657697I didn't mind Hiromu when he was a near suicidal junior anarchist. I stopped liking him when he came back from that neck injury and wrestled at half the speed and intensity compared to his pre-injury career. I didn't start to actively hate him until he became the Cringe King that thinks he can compete with heavyweights. Most juniors should stay in the junior division. Unless you are prepared to seriously bulk up and add a variety of convincing offense to your repertoire. Tiger Mask could have done it, but he didn't need to when he left to form UWF. Similar case for Otani leaving for Zero1. Liger could have done it at one point but he knew he didn't need to. He was already doing what he wanted in his division. Omega and Ospreay bulked up and changed their offense. All I've seen from Hiromu post-injury is timidness and goofball antics that would be better suited to DDT.
>>16656568Isn't he like 20? He was 10 when kenny was in his prime, he doesn't know any better
https://x.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1876312262845374523>Chris Charlton is on an indefinite hiatus from commentary due to his anti-AEW comments during the Dynasty show.fuck rocky
Spread those ass cheeks even wider bushicucks big dick Tony owns you
>>16657548none, they need a whole assemble of wrestlers
>>16657867Man, I legitimately can't believe this. Tony Khan is a massive faggot.
>>16657697He is like Desperado, doing too much stupid shit outside NJPW
Is there anywhere online to stream wrestle dynasty for free that doesn't look like shit on a TV? NJPW World doesn't work for me and support won't help
>>16657926I agree Despy and Hiromu should sign with AEW instead of wrestling in pachinko halls for a bento and a bow
>>16657867idiots are going to be worked by this and it will make this place even worse
CHRIS CHARLTON HURT MY FEELINGS. TANAHASHI COME HERE ! YOU'LL GIVE ME A TOY TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER... WHAT ABOUT THE GABE KIDD TOY ? YEAH I WANT HIM NOW !!!
don't you retards know that sanada had an arm injury during his run
>>16657336Sanadetty did better than Zacketty though, and that's fact.>literally using cagematch ratingsCringe
>>16657918Agreed. It's not a situation where one guy is going to carry the whole company. They need to shift focus from overseas muddled ambitions to pushing the talent they have. Yuya and Oiwa need to be booked strong. Shingo, SANADA need to be treated like bigger stars, the stop/start intermittent booking has killed their momentum. ZSJ needs some strong contenders, and give Suzuki the match they've been teasing already! He's over the hill but a passing of the torch storyline at least adds some drama. Tsuji needs to work on his cardio and switch up the moveset. Umino needs... to be better... a lot better. Narita needs a new gimmick. Evil needs to go away. Goto pity run is now or never, preferably never. Tanahashi swan song needs to be played to perfection, they can't afford to fuck this up. Bring in Nakamura for a match.Bring in every big name junior for a grand slam BOSJ tournament. NOAH, CMLL, AJPW, BJW, DragonGate, Tenryu Project, etc. Bury whatever pride you have and get these guys in the door for a lights out balls-to-the-wall tournament.Same with G1. Fuck AEW, only exceptions being Bryan if he's up for it or Okada if he agrees to lose every match. Takeshita is under contract now, nobody else from AEW is worth it. Otherwise fuck off. NOAH, CMLL, AJPW, DragonGate, BJW, etc. All stars, no more up and coming dipshits. Yuya wins after a monster run.
>>16658168I like Sanada but it's a fact that he was on a downward swing after he lost the title. NJPW had been doing nothing with him until the title match with ZSJ, he had zero momentum. It was a throwaway match in the UK, bookers hadn't given it any thought or gravitas. It still ended up being decent.Cagematch ratings aren't great but it's the only consensus opinion available. Meltzer is senile. It's the only real measurement available...
I think NJPW will die in 2 or 3 years. None of the new guys can draw a dime or have any significant amount of charisma, the main event formula is tired and old and Trannyhashi sucks Tonikan's cock way too much and we've seen many times that this partnership hurts them a lot. It's the end.
>>16658286>I think NJPW will die in 2 or 3 yearsI'm also getting this feeling, but it might take a few more years than that. Tanahashi retiring is gonna be a symbolic mortal wound
>>16658271>I like SanadaI don't. But his reign did better than le hecking gay communist.
>>16658233>NOAH, CMLL, AJPW, DragonGate, BJW, etc. All starsI'll speak on the behalf of everyone: Sorry, we're not interested.
Tonikan doesn’t like SANADA so cuckshiroad will keep him in nothing midcard matches
>>16658286>I think NJPW will die in 2 or 3 yearsBro...Zero1 is still operating in 2025Japanese feds zombie along FOREVER, they never fucking die.It would take NJPW like 50 years to finally die out.
>>16658364I mean if NJPW ends up doing their biggest shows of the month in front of 300 people at the buttfucky takamatsu bento hall then it's pretty much dead.
>>16658402That's legitimately what NOAH does but people act like it's the number 2 promotion in Japan (it's like number 6)
>>16658364Bushiroad will sell to Tony Khan before that happens.
>>16658458>BAKAYAROOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>16658458Hopefully this happens soon, so I can seethe, give up with wrestling and move on with my life
>Meltzer said it was "100% NJPW" and not AEW who was angry at CharltonJapanese companies act like jews over every shred of gold, don't they?>NOOOO FUCK OUR FANS, WE MUST PROTECT OUR 1 MILLION DOLLAR FORBIDDEN DOOR PAYDAY!
>>16658520>>Meltzer saidThis nigga is always defending Tony so I'd take this with loads of salt
>>16658322Sorry, what's your objection? Are you saying other promotions won't lend talent because they have too much pride? ...because NOAH was all too happy to job out their Ace at the G1 and World Tag. AJPW doesn't even know how to push their talent, they'll happily job them out.
>>16658540Just like how Dave takes loads of Tony's salt
>>16658520>Meltzer said
>>16658663He's also the one who reported the story in the first place
>>16658580Exactly, not interested in sending our guys over to job like bitches just so you can reap all the benefits of having stronger cards. Go fuck yourself, not interested.
>>16658233>Evil needs to go away.Why should a guy as over as him go away?
>>16658671I'll say this as a fan of AJPW and NOAH... how much worse could NJPW treat them? Is Shotaro Ashino well booked in AJPW? Won the Champion Carnival, derailed with injury then returned... and was steamrolled by Nakajima. Yuki Honda is looking good right? Right? With all those nothings he's won?Have Kenoh or Kiyomiya been given the chance to shine with an extended title reigns or were they chopped at the knees? Soya and Kitamura continue to do nothing. Do we still need to protect Miyahara? He's lost the last 5 Triple Crown matches he's been in. It's safe to say a win over Miyahara in 2025 is a win over Jericho in WWE circa 2017.
>>16658860Ryuki Honda
>>16658860>I'll say this as a fan of NJPW fanNot. Interested.
>>16658884Oh, I thought you were serious. Didn't realize you were just trolling. Have a good day, friend.
>>16658930Yes, of course... I'm the one trolling, not you...
>>16658943I appreciate your admission of guilt. You're forgiven, it's a shame though... I would have liked to chat with a real fan.
So what the fuck do you even do with him ??He was a geek before main eventing WK and nothing has changed after that, he is not seen as a main eventer and fans clearly don't love him. I know some of you would say "turn him heel" but could he even be a good heel ? Like it's not going to change the fact that he acts and looks like a total geek, is not charismatic and has no personality. What do you do with him if he doesn't go back to being a low card shitter ?
>>16659023Nice try, faggot.
>>16659026Give him the Narita treatment
>>16659026shove him in the midcard, book him like a midcarder with occasional opportunities to step up and wait for something to happenmaybe he gets a clue, maybe he doesn't, the booking can't take the responsibility of getting a clue for him
>>16659026Send him to Mexico. He was given preferential treatment as a Young Lion, and got everything handed to him... and it just made him weak.Send him to Mexico where he can either perform and learn his craft or he can starve. He doesn't come off as authentic because he isn't. He hasn't struggled to get where he is, he hasn't worked through injuries, he hasn't been humbled.
>>16652950Why does his shirt say cum shot on it?
>>16657336Wheelchairto's numbers as champion:New beginning inn Sapporo: 5355. Up from 3316. If we compare against the previous year's title match in Osaka, up from 4035.Anniversary show: 3008. Up from 2020.Sakura Genesis: 6632. Up from 6510.Destruction in Kobe: 4528. Up from 4212KOPW 2024: 6201. Up from 5002 in 2023It's not like Naito himself had star opponents. He had a rematch against SANADA, a main event against freaking SHO, Tsuji and Great O'Khan. Didn't include his main event against Moxley but that also drew a great number.
shota umino fucking sucks
>>16655276I legitimately think he’s autistic. He always has that lost look in his eyes.
>>16659224yappari, naito senshu is still the only draw on all islands of japan
>>16654972That match was so fucking boring it ruined my mood then put me to sleep so i missed the rest of the show live
So can we all finally agree that the """forbidden door""" should have stayed closed and Harold was right all along? What a disaster that Dome show was.
>>16658233>Evil needs to go awayfuk u bitch
>>16659354Yes trannahashi should’ve kept his forbidden door closed
>>16659354For the fans yesbut NJPW, sadly this is a net positive due to all of the money the money mark is feeding themWe're still a ways from the tipping point where they lose enough fans to account for two 1 million USD payoffs a year from AEW, it's basically two free dome shows in revenue
>>16659305Sadly I think his match against Hiromu heavily exposed him as finished so he might not be able to draw these numbers anymore. You can feel that the crowd is worried for him and he'll soon only get polite applause. Without him carrying this dead company on his back it's over.
>>16659224I never said Naito wasn't a draw... I'm saying he's fucking broken. It's honestly sad watching him struggle to wrestle now.Is ZSJ better than Naito? NO....but Naito can't survive another title reign. Let it go. We need new stars.
Can he save NJPW?
>>16659394>>16659460I saw someone on >reddit comparing how many matches each company's wrestlers had in 2024, and Naito was only 2 matches behind BUSHI. If he had wrestled 3 undercard tags on that SJTL tour where he just walked out to watch BUSHI/Hiromu he would be a clear #1 across basically every promotion which is absolutely insane given his spot on the card. Probably telling for why he's regressed as fast as he has, even his match with Okada in the G1 finals wasn't as grim as the Hiromu one.
Unironically how do we save New Japan Pro Wrestling, lads?
kek I just randomly remembered how they forced their Shotetty down the fans' throat at WK17. Teaming with Tanahashi and Muto, it was Muto's final match in NJPW and he did the shining wizard to BUSHI and then Shota just added his shitty death rider and stole the pin like he was supposed to be on Tanahashi and Muto's level. You could already feel that the crowd didn't care about him. Truly a pink android bitch ass geek.
>>16659492sexy YOH photobook
>>16659476no. he's good but isn't and never will be a draw in japan
>>16659476nahnever drew a yen in DDTnot a draw in NJPW eitherhe'll can some good reactions but he's not a guy that will really change anything, he's a bangerino merchant like Takagi and Zack who are objectively dimeless
>>16659492Get a new booker, bring back the HW and IC belts while getting rid of other singles belts, no more womeme shit, end the AEW partnership, stop booking so many foreigners.
>>16659513he'll get some good reactions*GMS
>>16659507>>16659513>the serious wrestler didn't draw in the twink and sex comedy promotionThat has nothing to do with if he'd draw being pushed at the top of NJPW. He definitely has the in-ring chops but I don't know if he has the presence yet.
>>16659492>Tana retiring >Naito can't really go anymore >Shota is a flop as new Ace>Tony poaches any gaijin that gets popular >Tsuji is already reaching his ceiling of upper midcard >Ren lol>Yuya Uemura has potential but he needs a personality (same with Oiwa)>Mandatory multiple AEW team up shows a year>SANADA and Zack have both had meh Heavyweight Championship Reigns (after promising starts)It's feeling pretty bleak atm and it's hard to see how they turn it around
>>16659488It's like Misawa with NOAH. He's a draw but, because of their dedication, they allowed themselves to be pushed beyond their body's capacity. If Naito doesn't slow down, and maybe take a break, he could be retired before Tanahashi.
>>16659516All of this, but can we get rid of the "heel faction constantly cheats while the refs do nothing" silliness?
>>16657945Don’t know if this will help, but if you have an iPhone and either an Apple TV or a tv that allows casting you can airplay to the TV and it plays in 1080p. That’s how I watch NJPW, and before I realized I could do that it was dark days of hooking up my computer to the tv.
>>16659559Uemura and Oiwa just need pushes.Tsuji needs cardio.Narita needs a gimmick overhaul. SANADA issues can be fixed potentially. ZSJ is fine, he's earned his spot just needs a good blood feud. Maybe Suzuki in a passing of the torch feud?Most of their problems can be solved with better booking, and maybe a little more time in the dojo/overseas for the younger guys. AEW partnership sucks but it gives then cash that can be used to keep the finances up.
>>16659394Problem is, polite applause is still more than what a lot of the current guys get. It's also telling of the terrible booking NJPW had in 2024. The narrative being spun is that NJPW's terrible numbers are expected because itr's a "rebuilding period" but they were on track to draw a shit load more in 2024 until Tana's love for westerners fucked it up.Wasting time on Riddle and Ziggler, that awful Moxley run when Naito's last run should have been a big deal to put the next guy over are just two instances.Tana did save NJPW from the dark ages but it's clear he doesn't have the head for business.
Here is the drawing power hierarchy right now.-Proven draw: Tetsuya Naito (wheelchair version)-Is slightly a draw: Hiromu Takahashi, Hirooki Goto, Hiroshi Tanahashi (tranny lover on his last knees version).-Doesn't make a difference but has a very slight chance to draw a dime once in a while: Yota Tsuji, EVIL, El Desperado, Taichi.Proven anti-draws: Zack Sabre Jr., David Finlay, Shingo Bangerino.The rest of the roster is just not drawing a dime.
>>16659616They did surprisingly good business this year, though. Down a bit but that's understandable and not just due to 'rebuilding' but also because the Japanese economy is absolutely in the shitter.
>>16659627Only in the absurd headcanon of a /njpw/ poster could someone claim Taichi is more of a draw than Shingo in 2024, not to mention ZSJ. How much did Taichi's Tokyo Dome main event draw?
>>16659631Their product has been awful, which doesn't help.
>>16659648Taichi can draw a dime in his hometown of Sapporo. Shingo was booked in his hometown against Yuya last year and he managed to draw less than the previous year. An IWGP World title shot for Taichi would draw more than Shingo getting one, look at how poorly they did in fucking Osaka with Zakku.
>>16659631/You must mean 2024? Yeah, they were doing good business in 2024 at the start and even with Okada and Ospreay bolting, could have kept up a good momentum with interesting stories and letting Naito's title reign mean something.Instead, the global title after Finlay won it was hotshotted onto Ziggler for no real reason other than Tana loves ex-wwe guys, Riddle was whatever. Then we had the terrible Moxley run that wasted everyone's time, halted Naito's momentum as champion and ultimately benefited no one.Business wise, yeah, it wasn't bad but it could have both been great and led to some interesting things storyline wise instead of what we got which was a cold tokyo dome main event.
>>16659692I don't disagree. It really feels like that Moxley reign was out of nowhere and just threw all of their plans off.They really need to stop being such fucking cucks but I guess NJPW must really need the fucking money to bend the knee so much.
>>16659692>we had the terrible Moxley run that wasted everyone's timeI'm still completely baffled by this, especially when Shota ended up main eventing the dome. I'm starting to think Tony fucked up some plans by having Mox win the AEW World Title and stay on AEW. He's so key to Shota's story
>>16659822The lack of interaction between Moxley and Shota during these Tokyo Dome shows is baffling.Why the fuck didn't Mox come over and advance his story in some fucking way, shape, or form? His absence felt bizarre, especially after being IWGP champ.
>its looking pretty griACK. enough with this retarded doomposting
>>16659849>wanting to see Jon Moxley in any capacity
>>16659857Nigga those are shit numbers for NJPW, comparing it to the rest of puroresu is useless because puroresu overall is fucking dimeless right now. None of these promotions have any good booking, it's over.
>>16659863That cat is already out of the bag, anon. I would rather Moxley have never been involved in NJPW in the first place but now he is irrevocably tied to Shota's character and the guy is floundering horribly.I also don't think Moxley should've been champ, obviously, but he was. So, for him to just not show up to Wrestle Kingdom or Dynasty because he'd rather torture a couple of 70 year old wrestlers on Collision is just fucking weird. It makes it seem like there's a conflict, some dispute, like Moxley is pissed about something, or maybe AEW is mad about something, I don't know.Dynasty felt off, the whole thing -- how poorly it was promoted, the card itself, everything about it feels like there is some kind of discontent between NJPW and AEW, like they can't agree on things anymore.
>>16659877keep moving the goalposts. people have been saying puro is dying for the last 30 years. looks good to me considering how terrible the yen is right now
>>16659882>it feels like there is some kind of discontent between NJPW and AEW, like they can't agree on things anymoreNJPW like to book storylines in advance, while Tony just smashes his toys together at random to make matches
>>16659882Just the entire idea that AEW's top wrestlers wouldn't even bother to show up at a Tokyo Dome show, that they wouldn't WANT to be there and fight to be on a prestigious card -- that itself hurt the show.That is how you have to promote a Tokyo Dome crossover show.Why are they so fucking stupid, bros?
>>16659923I'll add that having Dynasty the day after WK was a retarded idea, because they had to try and not give away the results of matches (which they basically ended up doing anyway) with the announced matches for Dynasty.
Beat the Bucks for the belts in you are pathhttps://youtu.be/H2VKr3qO1j0
>>16659896If you want to be reasonable do it outside of this board, every poster here is a retarded doomer
people bitching about Chris getting two months paid backstage when they should be hyped for Tsuji vs. Gabe
Can't believe I thnk Chris Charlton did something based
>>16660417>this is the future AEW wants for you and your kids
>>16660417somebody needs to let them know that fujobaiting is more subtle than just being an out of the closet homosexual
>>16660417so gross
Minna-san, cease disparaging our business partner onegaishimasu!
