What can be done about loser incel loner creeps who don't make any effort to socialize at work?
>>64656792God this is the worst thing about having women in the workplace. Everyone has to be fake friends all so other people don't feel uncomfortable. Really can't just go to work and do your job anymore here in america. Fucking feminist shithole here.
Why do people feel threatened by loners who are good at what they do?
>>64656909Because they know that their own jobs are bullshit and they cannot compete.
I genuinely don't get the need to socialise at work. If I'm hired to work as an accountant, nowhere in my contract does it say that my obligations include pretending normies have anything interesting to say. My only obligations to the company are to show up on time, do my job, and report to management.
>>64656792>Invites loner to have drinks after work>Under drunken stupor, he says things that are "controversial">You now have leverage over this poor bastard>Blackmail him with threats of "cancelment">He's now fired or your "bitch"The man was wise to decline these kinds of invitations, especially if he knows that his office politics skill is lacking.
This is pretty invasive and awful but it perfectly represents women as a whole. They want to help, and they want others to know that they want to help, but the only things they can suggest are "hang out with me."
>>64656792I absolutely loathe this expectation of having to socialize in work. No, this is not why I am here. No, I don't care about you, you are just a coworker who can be gone next week. I just want to do my job the best I can and that's all, fuck off. Thanks to coronavirus, I started working from my home and even that has its drawbacks, but not needing to deal with people in person is absolutely priceless.
>>64656909most of the job is the social aspect / communication. people who say the job is the tactical shit are just retarded and do not understand how business works.
>>64657037how the fuck is time spent together after-hours related to the job? it doesnt matter what anyone does after-hours, as long as they get along fine while working.
>>64657037>people who say the job is the tactical shit are just retarded and do not understand how business works.spreading the blue pill I see
>>64656792That's what you get for being some shit-tier urban wagie doing some office work with a bunch of cuntoids. Get a real job (i.e. something foid animals either can't or don't want to do) and you'll be immune to this.
>>64657057>>64657062He is not lying, business is a field with low barriers to entry. Practically anyone can get a business degree which makes the hiring process harder since their are so many qualified candidates all vying for the same position. At that point it becomes a prestige game, after that it's all about tact.
>>64656900Dude probably has a higher work performance than these idiots but since a woman thinks he's not being a team player he will still end up losing a job. Fucking women man.
>>64657075>Get a real job (i.e. something foid animals either can't or don't want to do)Lead engineer here. I'm still stuck with these braindead pink-collar office drones.
>>64657057maybe, maybe not, depends on the company. i will say that you career development is pretty much dead if you don't have the small talk and networking at least during the day. verbal communication is usually needed anyway for the job but if people have confidence in your character you could easily grow even if you're not as knowledgeable or hard working.
>>64657102>Lead engineer here
>>64657113Keep coping shitskin
>>64657094Lmao, shit-tier business majors. Too bad you weren't a Yale or Harvard grad.
>>64657120Coping with what? I'm not the one having to deal with foid-infested corporoate politics. Get a real job.
>>64657113You aren't allowed to post pictures of yourself on this board.
>>64656984>not needing to deal with people in person is absolutely priceless.I want this back.Since I got back to the office I feel like absolute shit. When I was working at home I used to work out every day, wake up early without feeling groggy as shit, draw and read after work. practice meditation and felt a lot better overall.
>>64656792Jacqueline's response wasn't bad though.https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/296364
>>64657121Pretty much affirming what I said. Nice
>>64657062all high performing teams have either gone to continuous delivery or servant leadership.your business will almost be guaranteed to fail if you're still doing some silo'd top down bullshit where you have a mountain of paperwork and random autists doing their own thing for 6 months at a time. unless the autist is a 1 man department then who cares lol.
>>64657094>He is not lying, business is a field with low barriers to entry. Practically anyone can get a business degree which makes the hiring process harder since their are so many qualified candidates all vying for the same position. At that point it becomes a prestige game, after that it's all about tact.I don't get it, do people who say this just work at a place where the people hiring give zero fucks about how good their employees are?
>>64657128>Get a real job.Just fucking laugh at you blue collar copers. Have fun being working class for the rest of your life. Maybe if you're lucky, might rise to the lower middle class.>TFW too dumb for a high paying career
>>64657155the people who say that are actual NEETs
>>64657037>most of the job is the social aspect / communication.As in office politiks?
>>64657157I'm not blue collar. Get a real job.
>>64657176>Get a real job.And what is a "real job", anon?
>>64657155you are confused. at lower levels, everyone is "good" because you just need someone to use the right tools and methods unless it's a startup in a brand new industry. when everyone is "good" you just need to maintain the team culture, so hiring managers only care about how you fit into that culture. there's nothing you can do that stands out in terms of the day to day work, this OP bitch probably thinks he's good because he doesn't bug her with stupid questions, which itself can be bad sometimes if it leads to weaker alignment.
>>64656900CRY. In office settings it has ALWAYS been this way. The highlight used to be on the women that weren't smiling enough, or charming enough, now it's the loner males. If this is the problem in your life you are pathetic and don't deserve consideration.
>>64657193>And what is a "real job", anon?Didn't I just tell you?>>64657075>something foid animals either can't or don't want to doNow guess how I know you're not a computer hardware engineer, or an aerospace engineer or anything like that.
>>64657139The social bullshit + daily commute to work used to draw all the energy from me. Now I wake up when I want, start, pause and finish work whenever I want. I am looking for next job mainly to get paid more, but there is no way I can go back to 5 days at some shitty office. The best I can do is 2 days on-site, if everything else is worth it.
>>64657196>you are confused. at lower levels, everyone is "good" because you just need someone to use the right tools and methods unless it's a startup in a brand new industry.I could believe that the people hiring are retarded about it to some degree, or maybe they want to shill the idea of wagies "socializing" for some other motive, but you say this as if this is really an efficient thing to do>at lower levelsYou could put better people at higher levels then
>>64656792I look like this and am a loser incel but posts like this really get me down. I would never hurt anyone and am not some women killing incel idiot. I'm just an ugly white male with the short end of the stick. I DID NOT ask to be this way. My parents rolled the genetic wheel when I was born and lost. Posts like this just make me realize I'll never hack it in broader society or with normies. I will always be looked at a shooter phenotype white boy. Fuck I hate myself. I wish I had the balls to kill myself but I don't have anywhere near the gumption. It really is all so fucking tiresome. My parents and grandparents- always asking when I'll bring home a girl as I watch them grow old this past decade. I thought for some delusional reason that things would get better when I graduated uni but it never ends. Nobody liked me then and nobody gives a shit now. shreeshnsfaskgrnr
>>64656792i work with women and it is very high possibility this is really happening in every workplace with woman majority.hell, i even told that hen herd of ours that neither of them are my friends, only colleagues so they should act accordingly.
>>64657247>"socializing" for some other motiveWhat do you think it is?
>>64657247>efficientculture is strategically efficient, yes. if you have high attrition or poor collaboration and delegation, then you either:-punish good work by giving all the hard problems to the cringe autist, overwhelming him and eventually breaking him, while everyone else does nothing-work on a hundred different priorities and never get anything doneso yes, "socializing" is critical to performance, although i would not say that celebrations or happy hour are necessary for this, just have good staff meetings with rotating leadership roles, cross training and verbal recognition.>higher levelsthere are plenty of principal and senior level individual contributor positions out there, but you still have to climb the ladder.
>>64657286Wanting to turn people into deracinated bugman worker drones? corporations don't come up with this though, it gets pushed from the state to finance to corporations
>>64656900The whole female obsession with turning every environment into a place where they "feel at home", makes you wonder if maybe they should just be at home.
>>64657336>climb the ladderWhat are some tips and tricks for this?
>>64656792I see most people in this thread have office jobs. I chose to be an electrician because I wanted something remotely physical with a practical application. Right now I'm working for a small company doing home installations and it's miserable. If dealing with random people every day wasn't bad enough, my coworkers are all bitter boomers. There's one guy in his 40s that's really cool, but we never work together. They all hate me for being younger than them. Most of them are past retirement age too. They're such greedy fucks they won't give up their high paying salary. Each one of them could afford to live a very comfortable life somewhere nice. I'm not sure what keeps them around. I met an 80 year old carpenter at my local barbershop and he's still working because he's the only person in the whole county that can do this special type of panelling. He's makes more than 120k a year.
>>64657840Even still, your problems don't sound that bad. I work in an office and it really sucks when you don't gel with coworkers, which are your only real source of interaction. You may also hate your coworkers but the nature of your work brings you to different places and people.
>>64657935Don't get me wrong, my situation could be much worse. I just didn't elaborate enough in my original comment. Whenever we get a house call two people get in a van and drive out. Since I'm the young guy I'm expected to do everything while the boomer sits there making passive aggressive comments. The fucking people's homes we have to enter as well. Some of them live in pigsties like the pictures you see on battle station threads from /v/ or /tv/. And if it weren't for my coworker being with me, I probably would have been raped twice. I finally got my concealed carry license once the scamdemic ended so I feel a lot safer now.
>>64658024the packrat houses could at least make for good stories, and maybe one day you too could be the grizzled master boomer that bullies a junior. You may bust your ass during your daily grind, but definitely don't take some of those experiences for granted. Office work for me is mind numbing and extremely susceptible to unpaid overtime/crunch
>>64658173>mind numbingThat's why I picked this job, I wanted to work with my hands. I was a NEET for 3 years and it was the worst time in my life. It's incredible how easy it is to get into a trade. I had no prior work experience. All I had to do was pay 5k for a 3 month training program and landed a job right as I finished.
>>64657410I really don't get this.Making your workplace feel like home also makes your home feel like workplace.I try to be as uncomfortable as I can endure at work. I use a shit keyboard and mouse, I don't drink anything that isn't water and I don't even listen to the music I like.
>>64656909Projection.The neurotic roastie would only ever leave someone in peace if she loathed them to the point of revulsion.The roastie cannot comprehend anything but get own perspective, and supposes the loner harbours deep resentment.
>autistic sister has kid>she admits to using the kid as a get out of jail free card for any social situation
>>64657094>Practically anyone can get a business degreeYou mean a management or marketing degreeInformation Systems is often in the business school and requires you to learn programming is definitely not attainable to everyone, finance requires good math skills and is slightly less difficult than IS, and accounting requires slightly less good math skills and is slightly less difficult than finance. Everything else is as useless as liberal arts though
>>64658277I do that shit as well and sometimes I leave early when my wife has migraine.I'm not even married.
>>64656792Oh God this is my biggest nightmare about getting a wageslave jobGuess i'll just stay a NEET until i eventually kill myself
>>64657423take any part of the job and automate it, then present the project to at least 3 levels above where you are. even if it's absolute trash work and only 10% complete, if it impresses a senior manager or director, they will act like you are hot shit which will force your boss to take you more seriously and give you more time to work on special projects. if you can't automate shit, learn Lean Six Sigma, specifically poke-yoke or human factors / HPI. You'll be surprised at how you can make everything a lot easier and more profitable with simple changes. read shit about your company like equity research papers, or just read internal documents with annual goals and shit. frame everything around those most important concepts and again always escalate your good work up 2 or 3 levels, never directly to your boss.
>>64659003It's really nothing to worry about. The increasing desire to work from home validates the idea that people actually can't stand each other.
>>64656909because women judge others by their social statushence, a loner is a LOSER, he's worthless in her eyesthat's why the fact that he's good at his job and makes a big difference drives her crazy, she can't fathom how a loser can have so much value
>>64656792I got a job recently and some of it includes office work, mostly all of them in the office are older women who are hyper normies (obviously). I had a talk with the boss who was doing 1 on 1 meetings with everyone and she said that I am quiet and should chat more. There's really no place in employment for people like us.
>>64659182Is the boss a woman too?
>>64659018Six sigma isn't in anymore, it's all about agile nowWait a decade and agile won't be in anymore, it'll be some other dumb termManagement "science" is a joke
>>64656792What if I don't want to socialise?
>>64656909They don't if you didn't make the wrong career choices.
>>64659367Then you get firedNo place for antisocial incels in the corporate world!
>>64659453>we want quirky and weird individuals to work here :)>ew not you
>after work drinks"I don't drink">in-office celebrations"Sure, why not?"One cuts into your free time to do shit you don't care about. The other cuts into your work time to do something that may or may not be interesting, but at bare minimum keeps people from complaining, and is at least not working, while still getting paid.
>>64659453Can I get disability for not wanting to socialise?
>>64659559yes, pretty easily actually.
>>64659294agile is project management. six sigma is problem solving. they both use the exact same principles anyway, and most managers don't care what you call it. if you continuously remove extra shit and add good shit, then you will always get promoted and new job offers.
>>64659468>I do nothing but watch Vtubers every day for every hour outside of working hours>Why am I not getting a callback?
>>64659600Most smart managers don't care what you call it, hiring managers and retards want examples of their management buzzwords in every interview.
>>64659495When you have project deadlines its not feasible for me to partake in any of that shit without working more than 40 hours a week.
>>64659622emphasizing the importance of networking and talking to people directly instead of just knowing gay shit.
Shit like this is why Im glad I went into STEM. Its going to be great when I finish this masters and I can go fuck off to some research station in Antarctica, some remote tropical island, or a research vessel crewed by salty sailors who dont give a fuck about being nice
>>64659641>emphasizing the importance of networking and talking to people directly instead of just knowing gay shitI'm in IT, my job should just be knowing gay shit, not impressing some airhead in HRLuckily, my last interview, we just discussed the specifications of the job for an hour, and then I got the job a week or two later. I didn't have to give one strength or weakness!
>>64659657>stem (something besides code faggot)>expecting to ever get employed at all, let alone doing something coolLol
All HR offices should be abolished
>>64659707ok but that's entry level shit. nobody care about what HR thinks after your first few years in an industry. and whether or not HR "should" be involved, it takes 20 minutes with someone at an unemployment center to practice your interview and bullshitting resume skills
>>64659721Anyone with a bachelors in ChemE, MechE, or EE can easily get a job without knowing any coding
>>64656909Somebody that's disinterested in office politics is harder to use for personal gain.
>>64656909Well, if someone was better than you in school, wouldn't you want them to help you? What if they refused? You'd be fucked, right? And you'd hate them for it. Same thing goes for work. Crab bucket man.
>>64659781and will also probably quit when they steal company information and get trained up
>>64659721Except I already have the connections through my thesis advisor, Ive already been working for my department for more 2 years, and Ive been on multiple research cruises where I was responsible for preparing all the scientific supplies for our team. You still have to network in STEM, but its not the same kind of networking thats in business
>>64659600>if you continuously remove extra shit and add good shit, then you will always get promotedlaffmore like faggot normies who know how to social engineer will steal the credit for those ideas and get promoted
>>64657037You're a fucking retard. Most offices are social just as most classrooms are full of chitchat and just as much as most people are average or retarded. You'll never understand actually working to do the work like you care unless you do, which you don't, because your job is meaningless, menial, tiring, and worthless. You just want to do anything else, even if that means wasting time talking with coworkers and fucking around... Anything to avoid working.
>>64657075Petty drama exists in even the most advanced of fields. It's just more autistic than others.
>>64659867The amount of petty drama is inversely proportional to the number of women in the field.
>>64659840>being too retarded to steal ideas and take creditare you a literal virgin or..?
>>64657157>posting bait in 144pBack to the stone age with you, fuckwit.>t. farmer and engineer
>>64658214That is not normal.You are abnormal.
>>64656909The problem is they're never good at what they do. Socializing, networking, building relationships, negotiating, communication, and interpersonal skills are important to every job. If you don't have these skills, you are bad at your job. It doesn't matter what you do.The creepy introvert incels should be challenging themselves to improve these skills to grow instead of pretending they don't matter.
>>64658214>making work miserable so that life is extra comfyBased.
>>64659721>doesn't know about AgE, BioMe, ChemE, MatSci, MechE, or MechTNGMI
>>64659981I hope hell is real so you and all people like you can suffer for eternity
>>64659880You really haven't worked in office spaces, have you?
>>64660004>going straight for a feminized passive-aggressive retortGet a real job and you'll see I'm right.
>>64659998Nice incel rage kid
>>64659981Yeah no, this is just false. You can be introverted and highly competent or a high-energy social careerfag and still accomplish nothing. I have seen both
>>64659468That's probably the most important question if they're mostly women.If you could come up with some quality bullshit you would totally have the job.
>>64658210Hey trade anon, is there a way I could contact you?Got a lot of questions
>>64659805>wouldn't you want them to help you?No, because I don't bother random people for personal gain like a cunt, fuck off.
>>64660599b-but this board tells me neet life is best life? Is it all a lie?
>>64658843Wouldn't people start to notice when you don't have a ring on your finger?
>>64660998>Just wear a fake wedding ring bro!
>>64659841Most work is social especially in an office or project based setting. Everything else is just noise.
>>64656792Never work in a corporate environment, it is Stalinist slavery. Do your own thing and let that system collapse.
>>64660397>You can be introverted and highly competentNo, not really. Sure you can have skills like coding, flipping burgers, or whatever you do, but you're never going to successfull within an organization without those basic essential skills. You'll always be an awkward creep that nobody likes.
>>64661063>let that system collapseAnon I...
>>64661063No thanks, I'll take that six figure salary
>>64657224Lol wut? Sorry I don't work as some fake occupation but everywhere I have worked in STEM no one really cares what you do since everyone is busy with their own shit. Actually people try to avoid interaction as much as possible in my field. Maybe you should reevaluate your life and find a job that isn't useless or made up and stop projecting your own shortcomings onto others who actually get shit done. Oh and if you actually do a good job and provide for the company then they don't give a shit what you do bar sexual harassment.
>>64661106What field do you work in Anon?
>>64661106>has a worthless contributor job with no governance, meetings, or collaboration>literally brags about being aimlessly busy >thinking he does anything goodLel
>>64659991This. Unless you do some psychology shit, you'll probably always have a way up if you're in STEM, especially engineers. Hell, I whipped up a qr scanner for inventory and my manager held me up as some sort of idol since no one knows how to do this shit or are lazy.
Engineering is THE s0yb0y profession.
>>64661168the chad profession is being born into wealth and running a shell company that manages your trust fund
>>64656792Why the fuck would I hang out with coworkers after work?
>>64661177nice dub-dubs anon, here's a (You)
>>64661080Also not really true, you can just communicate in a direct and task-oriented way without partaking in gay feminized office parties and humiliating social ritualsGranted you won't make it into senior management like this but if you have good skills and know how to manage your finances/invest that also shouldn't really be your goal. Unless you really have a passion for soul-crushing office work
>>64661315>gay feminized office parties and humiliating social rituals>senior managementJust fucking laugh if you think that C-Suite Executives are being subjected to the same lame games as the plebs.
>>64661343No but they spend like six hours a day in meetings and the rest answering emails and phone calls etc.
>>64659468This a lure just so they can get dirt on you.
>>64656909>start job as a research assistant>get paid by the hour>lead asks if I'm under-reporting my hours>if anything I was overstating themI've started fudging the numbers now, but when I started I figured there was no way I could justify asking for 3x what I was doing if I got caught.I guess people are just horribly inefficient.
You guys are either scared to death or incapable of talking to people in real life then talk about "masculinity" and "basedboys".
>>64661486Yes, what's your point basedboy?
>>64661486How much dicks did you suck this morning?
>>64661511I'm just upset at what western feminism stole from guys like you. You would have been a badass gunslinger in frontier times, or a warlord in the viking age. You're just too masculine for this society.
>>64661625The stench of fresh semen is strong in your breath.
>>64661625True I am simply to masculine to lower myself by talking to a girl, or asserting myself in crowds of people and being friendly to others.
>>64661744The man is a true sigma male#grindsetpm4gs
>>64661674strong words from someone who has never had a woman touch his dick.
>>64661789>t. niggerfaggotthis buck needs some breaking
I'm the silent incel at my workplace. I make two coworkers very uncomfortable because I make an effort to not talk to them or around them. When they walk past me they look away and never look me in the eye. I have no idea how HR has not mentioned a single thing to me yet.
>>64662053they haven't talked to you since it's not illegal to not make small talk you fucking retard
>>64662053bend over faggot, it's time for your mandatory prostate inspection
>>64657120>Keep coping shitskinfaggot, you're the one that has to work diversity hires.
>>64659985Theory of emotional relativity.
>>64662076I know but our HR is a bitch who cheated on her husband, so I would think she would have at least mentioned something to me or pulled me aside or something. I know she knows about everything because she asked one of them if she still felt uncomfortable with my desk so close to hers. That was five months ago and still have a job and still treat those two like shit.
My line manager at my last job once said I need to be "more social" because I sat by myself at lunch (everyone else sat on rock solid uncomfortable wooden chairs at the table, while I sat on the comfy soft couch instead). Dumb cunt, not all of us have a giant ass for a seating cushion. AND I was the youngest person there, 21, and most of them were past 30. I had nothing in common with those rickety old farts. I hated her and she hated me, luckily she went on maternity leave and I got a new manager before we could rip each other's eyes out.
>>64656792Ok but how did Jacqueline respond?
Seriously though, how important is it to be social once you get the job? I only imagine it's important for networking.
>>64662263If you want any hope of promotion, then you have to be social. Though chances are slim for that anyway. I find it easier to just jump companies since I get huge raises doing that compared to staying in the same company.
>>64662263not important at all unless you want to be popular for popularity's sake, suck ass for promotions, etc.
>>64656792Fucking incels man, how dare they do their jobs correctly without causing any trouble
>>64662263Its required for moving up
>>64662217this i too would like to know
>>64656909Its literally just a woman problem. They can't handle someone not caring about them so they cast them out
>>64662311>I find it easier to just jump companies since I get huge raises doing that compared to staying in the same company.Yeah, but you need good references don't you?
>>64661455>overstating hourstbf you're probably not the only doing it, so I wouldn't feel bad get what you can
>>64656792Why do people feel threatened by those who refuse to participate in office drama?
The best way to destroy this is work way harder than everyone else, do overtime, do other pathetic idiot's jobs for them, and then you'll be left alone, because your "I'm only here for the money/work" argument has actual weight behind it.
>>64656960This. Whores are always looking for leverage on their male co workers. They are souless harpies.
Some guy invites me out to go places with some other people from my factory job and I don't have the heart to tell him I'd rather die than hang out with him. He's a nice guy too.
>>64659805>if someone was better than you in school, wouldn't you want them to help you?This is by far the most retarded post in this entire thread.
>>64662480If you pretend to be Muslim or any other poor heckin minority theyll tend to accept whatever bullshit you give them.For example:>Volunteer at a nonprofit workers cottage organisation (for at risk veterans and homeless)>Surprisingly mostly women in the volunteers>They discover one girl has depression>Several cliques start little convos with me then start talking about her to test meWhat do you think, anon?>They always ask after a bit of waffling>I dont want to commentWhy is that? Dont you worry that a depressed person may harm themselves?>No, but I pray that she finds the strength to overcome itOh, youre religious? I thought like, only old people and cults are like that>Im a Bosnian MuslimOhhhh were sorry anon we thought you were like a Christian, we just hate how many pedo priests there are>The timing is right; finally give them the *Fuck off* look>In terms of drama and cliques they leave me to do my own thing, if I pull it off right. Otherwise they ignore me, but either way I win.The best part is, I dont practice any religion. If they ever inquire about it, Ill just pretend to do a prayer and mumble some shit in Bosnian. Works like a fucking charm.
>>64662559>Ill just pretend to do a prayer and mumble some shit in Bosnian. Works like a fucking charm.based, anon. fuck these roastie cunts. are you in working in western eu?
>>64662585Australia, actually. You wouldnt believe the hordes of roasties that were up in arms when some Irani girl was taken out of a high school to a detention centre. People literally recount it as>Armed guards showed up at the classroom and dragged her outEvery now and then a Croatian girl comes along and I have to mumble extra quiet and toss in a few audible Allahu Ekber and Mashallahs
>>64656900Ditto. I hate working with females. I hate the corporate setting, and I absolutely hate female managers. They bring high school politics with them. I hate how they make everything a popularity contest and I hate the inherent social biases they carry into every business setting. It's all trash. This modern world is awful.
>>64656792I only have female coworkers and they only start shit with each other instead of me, which they wouldn't dare because this retail shithole would suffer more if I finally decided to dip.
>>64656900This is why society is collapsing, women should stay away from workplace. Back in the time retards who socialized had their place and the guys who wanted isolation were let to do their job.
>>64662954Corporations need cheaper employees, letting women into the work force was the best way to inflate the supply of labor at the time.
>>64662954Those guys were called slaves anon. If you didnt know how to mingle or dance you would be sent into a death trap. Even nerds like feynman or einstein would be Chad today
>>64662612>Croatian girl comes along and I have to mumble extra quiet and toss in a few audible Allahu Ekber and Mashallahsaren't you scared you will be caught? with someone who speaks arabic comes? kek
>>64656900>>64656909Women hate that non chads are making an income and potentially reproducing instead of dying in a corner
>>64657224>in the past, people that shared similarities with me were wrongfully judged based on something that doesn't necessarily pertain to how they do their job>therefore, today and in the future, it is okay if people who do not share those similarities are wrongfully judged by the same metricspiteful cunt
>>64659981>Socializing, networking, building relationships, negotiating, communication, and interpersonal skills are important to every job. If you don't have these skills, you are bad at your job. It doesn't matter what you do.You must work some really vapid sales-oriented positions then. It helps to be social, but jack it'll do if your productivity is in the pits or you're dragging a project behind by doing ten rounds around the office a day bullshitting. Pretty much everyone I've seen let go at where I work has been for performance issues or fucking up a project. If only they improved those skills to grow instead of pretending they don't matter.
>>64656792men can't be weak shy or show emotions but when a cute girl with glasses does it it's cute.
>>64663413Project work means communicating what you do
>>64663413I agree with you but keep in mind that you need to be able to effectively read people if you want to "win" at office politiks.How else are you going to fight your way to the top?
>>64659981>The creepy introvert incelsYou know you don't have to insult people like thisWhat if they just don't want to talk to anyone? There's nothing wrong with that
>>64657155The problem is that if you don't get mentally associated as a someone "fun," "nice," or "a team player," your superiors are less likely to notice the quality of your work or contributions because they are too busy thinking about how weird you make them feel. Decision makers also like personable people because they know they can put them in front of clients, partners, or their close business associates without risk of embarrassment.It's how you wind up with people getting promoted to management positions that clearly don't have the chops for managing others. For one reason or another, the decision makers view them positively, so they are always at the front of their minds when it comes to rewarding "performance" (raises, bonuses, taking vacation without objections, promotions, etc.).Making matters worse, the business world tends to attract extroverts like crazy (sales, management, etc. are all extremely social and people-forward roles), and they are mentally incapable of empathizing with introverts. At best you're a weirdo and they don't like not knowing how to interact with you, and at worst you're actively disrespecting them by not wanting to constantly shoot the shit and hear them talk about how their idiot kids pooped in the sink at school again (haha, can you believe it, Anon!?). The business world is 100% high school but everyone is hitting the wall and you don't get summers off any more. Clients will cancel contracts if someone pisses them off enough; they will demand that you get rid of a consultant that does excellent work but tells it to them without kissing their ass enough because it makes some middle-tier slob feel his job security slipping when he gets called out for sloppy work; and giving the wrong impression at a company dinner can honestly make someone second guess if they want to form a teaming agreement.
>>64659981>The creepy introvert incelsmaybe they became that way because someone originally thought they looked quiet so they bullied him which made him quiet. this is a vicious cycle and only you, the next person to see him, can break it.
>>64664278They usually just leave the cycle themselves and grow up
>>64663228I just pretend that I only learned the prayers in Bosnian lolIf they start questioning I ask them if they practice Islam. If they happen to understand Bosnian and practice Islam, theyll probably keep tight lipped because were countrymen lol
>>64659607You have to a normie hobbiesand have sex regularly.
>>64656792She makes a living insisting that workplace socialization is vital. This is an ad.
>>64656792allowing women in the workplace was a mistake
>>64664311Not being extroverted is not a sign of "immaturity" or however bizarre manner you perceive it. The best and most skilled male workers refine accomplishing their duty first and foremost and will cut off socialization rather quickly to do so.Women like you bring misery and annihilate productivity in a real job. Men are capable of ignoring this juvenile social game in order to do their jobs better, women generally are not able to do so. This is why male-only workplaces are almost always superior and better at focusing on accomplishing work.Women are frequently blinded by their addiction and pathological need for social attention and desire for interpersonal drama as entertainment.Women and men have fundamentally different expectations in social interactions. Women derive much of their own personal value and self-esteem from receiving external social attention. Men do not. This is something very difficult for women to comprehend since it is a very base and foundational aspect of femininity.
>>64662217>>64662378Are you both blind or something?See >>64657140
>>64656792Here is the original article. For the record, Jacqueline seemed to have quite a level headed attitude about the situation. https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/296364
>>64659981>Socializing, networking, building relationships, negotiating, communication, and interpersonal skills are important to every job.Wrong. These are things that are should be a job in and of themselves. Oh wait, they already are. It's called the fucking marketing department. The engineer's job is not to negotiate with clients, it's to build the product that the company has told him to build.
>>64659981>>64659998>>64660397>>64663413>>64664192>>64664278>>64665145I think you all are missing the point. Those skills are important for work and for life in general. The reason we are all here is because we fail at these things. Whether society made us this way or we were just born with lacking social prowess, the fact of the matter is that, as social animals, the ability to effectively interact with other people is extremely important for every aspect of our life and the wedge driven into communities and interpersonal relationships over the past several decades is one of the leading causes of depression and other mental illnesses. So yes. All of those things are important.
>>64656792Work is about work not socialising. What do people care if he keeps to himself? Its always fucking women in work places that ruin everything just leave me alone and let me work. Pic related is what lunch was like for me everyday at my old job. Some nosey cunt would always follow me and sit next to me and try and have a conversation while I was goddamn eating!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY4syLGmyhw
>>64659981>Socializing, networking, building relationships, negotiating, communication, and interpersonal skills are important to every jobNo they're not, completing every task you are assigned quickly and effectively is what matters.>If you don't have these skills, you are bad at your job. It doesn't matter what you do.Wrong wrong and FUCKING WRONG.Youre one of those people who says 'its not what you know its who you know" arent you? Well fuck you.
>>64665271>No they're not, completing every task you are assigned quickly and effectively is what matters.Holy shit lmao you sound like such a perfect wage slave!>Not taking hour long shits on company time>Not doing the bare minimum to not be written up or fired>Not admiring the days of old when even medieval peasants worked for like 2 hours a day and just chilled with the family or got drunk the rest of the time
>>64665271>Youre one of those people who says 'its not what you know its who you know" arent you?This is literally true though. Sure, you can move up the ranks or accomplish whatever you are after with skill alone, but knowing people and being on good terms with them makes things 10x easier. Nobody will notice your hard work if they don't know who you are. Have you ever held a job that wasn't minimum wage? If you have then you would understand the work is like a game, and that game is called "office politics". (Doesn't have to be in an office though per se).
>>64659867>Petty drama exists in even the most advanced of fieldsi would assume it is more present in those fields. those are the companies that give a shit about things like "having a diverse workplace" or filling up nigger quotas or whatever.
>>64665321>complete and utter deflectionLol so youve gone from>Huur having friends at work is mre important to produtivity huurToo>Something totally non related about the middle agesWay to go cuntwit. Being a good worker is more important that your personality or relationship with your coworkers especially if your better than them. Stay mad. >>64665385Its not. I've sacked people for having this attitude. One girl couldn't understand why she was like 'b-but everyone likes me!" and I said "yes but your work productivity and attitude isn't meeting my standards. Sorry". She literally didnt comprehend that results are all that matters. Plenty of time for socialising at the end of the week or better yet year. >Have you ever held a job that wasn't minimum wage?Yes. And I did well. All I did was pay my bosses and co workers the standard level of respect and friendship in the workplace and did my job and thats all I expected from my team.
>>64656792Situations like this make me sympathetic for anarchists. If you're not hurting anyone, be free and autonomous in decision making. Many humans are crappy, egotistical control freaks with no compassion. Especially divorced middle aged career women.
>>64656909I am this archetype manifest. While I cannot speak to the feelings of others I can understand the fear from my perspective. The loneliness is crushing. The nothing is like an endless all-encompassing something which fills the psyche. It leaves no room for anything else. It pushes everything to the edges then beyond. Then one begins to lose oneself in the endless void. Then terrible things happen.
>>64657410Astute, witty, a great post.
Loner creeps are harmless and I respect them. What is fucking annoying are those overweight, neckbeard, basedboys who leer at you try to touch you on any occasion.
>>64665443>>complete and utter deflectionI'm not the guy you first responded to. I just thought your statement made you sound like a total wagie bitch.>>Huur having friends at work is mre important to produtivity huurIt doesn't necessarily make you more productive but it can depending upon the job. Especially jobs that require a lot of collaboration. This isn't even a theory, it's just a fact that a job that innately requires collaboration benefits from the people collaborating knowing each other well and being friendly with one another. You can make the argument that more technical jobs don't require as much socialization and I would agree, but regardless, it still helps. Also I, I replied to you with two different posts so I will cover that one too while I'm here. >I've sacked people for having this attitude.You are the exception, not the rule. I didn't make the rules, I've only observed that they exist. There is a social game at play that most people are playing, including bosses. I have worked many jobs in my life on all ends of the spectrum and 90% of those jobs had an element of socialization that was required to advance in those jobs. That being said, you can totally get away with being the loner who doesn't really talk to anyone besides basic pleasantries, but it is nearly impossible to get ahead in those jobs based off of work ethic alone. Most people, even bosses and managers are normal, neurotypical people. Unlike you and I they are not autistic and actually value people that they have an emotional connection to over purely, objective work quality and production capabilities. I have seen many times in fact where less qualified people are advanced ahead of their peers. I've seen it for various reasons but one of the most common themes was that that person was in good with the person in charge. Can you really deny that this is a MAJOR, MAJOR factor in career advancement? Maybe not at your job but in most careers it is.
What's worse? Being a "quiet loner" or an over-sharer who humiliates himself with spergy info-dumps in a vain attempt to get people to like him?
>>64665839I never minded that guy, he always put me at ease by making an ass of himself.
>>64657224kill yourself you worthless femmoid subhuman
>>64656900I worked at a place wiht 80% women. It sucked ass having to go to event after event, but I would just go and play on my phone the whole time.
>>64656792nothing.but women could shut the fuck up and start working.
>>64656792I wouldnt want to work with you either.Youre either a weirdo, or a low iq mongo too dumb to be capable of feigning human emotion.Either way you are unfit to be my coworker, and I want a capable employee that I can depend on.COPE
>>64665534I read exactly ZERO words from that wall of txt cuntoid.Get off my board. Productivity is more important that being liked ;P>>64666826>the only capable employees are normies who go to after work drinks and other stupid shitLol you dont even have a job you deadshit.
showing up to places is only a problem if you don't have a car.just show up, have one drink, then make up an excuse to leave, not hard.
>>64666883No. I don't want to hang out with my co workers and I dont expect them to hang out with me. Give me an order, pay me then fuck off.
>>64666893you "hang out" with them by working with them. you're just mind fucked, that's all.
>>64659468Just say something relatively normal.>I always eat my ice cream with the spoon upside down. You might be thinking that it can't make a difference, but just give it a shot before you write it off.It's not offensive in any way and it's memorable enough. I'm a lurker and not an incel. I'm probably a bit off considering I spend time in 4chan but I'm normal enough. OP's image is cringy. Office shenanigans are cringy. Just socialize occasionally and you're fine. Almost no one likes office outings. You'd know that if you guys talked to people. This isn't a unique thing about incels. Other people are just more socially competent than you all and don't want to put promotions or entire jobs at risk for an extra hour or two of comfy-ness per week. It still regularly surprises me when you guys think you're "not like the other guys." Most normies have the same preferences. They just pretend better than you guys because they're not on the autism spectrum.
Guys, unless you're something like STEM or a commission sales job with legit earning potential, just stay away from corporate America. It's not worth the hassle and the pay for most generic office jobs isn't as good as you might think.
>>64665385It's true normalfaggots care mostly about social skills. That's why society is doomed.
>>64665223And? I really don't give a fuck about making fake connections with normalfags and having to deal with their problems because they fucking love venting to random people, so I use the internet in substitute as I suppress myself every day.Please die, or leave us alone. Your pick
>>64666915>you "hang out" with them by working with themNo I work with them. Its not the same thing. demonstrating basic respect and team cohesion is not the same as socialising. Once its 4pm the relationship ends. Deal with it. I can have it both ways. We're not the ones who are weird, its your normies.
>>64657840Damn, maybe you should learn how to do that panelling
>>64667020And to add onto this, no, those skills are NOT important for every job. You can specifically look for one that doesn't put you in any major responsibility to avoid those obligations.
>>64667032all i said was show up, have 1 drink, then leave and you're going through all this mental gymnastics to try and explain the definition of "hanging out".TL;DR: you're a pussy ass retard lol.
I just inherited a big fucking house from my grandfather, on a huge piece of land which is estimated to be worth 900 grand, house included. And 500K euro in spending cash. All while being 22, never having applied to a job in my life, and approved Neetbux. I will NEVER EVER have to.>write a cv>bend over backwars for a job>have to work for Shekelbergs next YachtMy life may have been a world of pain up until now, but from here on out it's gonna be cool, comfortable, air-conditioned pain.
>>64667047>YOU WILL HANG OUT WITH US!And all I said was, no. You just dont fucking get it, I dont have to do anything. Unless you're paying me, fuck off. You're going through all these mental gymnastics to try and explain why someone HAS to do something they dont need to do. iIdont want to hang out, deal with itTL;DR Youre a precious faggot normie with no skills who relies on peoples validation to get by lol
>>64667064i don't get why you're repeating what i'm saying like a 12 year old and i don't see what's hard about showing up, having 1 drink, then leaving.i think you're just a pussy desu. pussies are people like you who make up excuses to not do extremely simple things, period.
>>64662422Because they think they run the show through office politics. If you ignore them they have no power, so they cant allow that.
>>64667082you are the pussy for caring so much and repeatedly insulting him, bitch. It makes me happy that I'll never cave to rats like you, not everyone wants to smoke weed and talk about getting vaxxed
>>64667082>showing up, having 1 drink, then leaving.People have actually important things to do
>>64665052"Jacqueline" was probably a male editor responding, no way a hole would be this rational
>>64667117>you're a pussy for caring so much and insulting someonethis makes no sense, mongoloid.you probably take cocks up your ass, so who cares what makes you happy lol.>not everyone wants to smoke weed and talk about getting vaxxedwhat backwater shit are you projecting, nigger? go drink some sweet tea or something.
>>64667082>Show up, have drink, leaveanother anon but why would I do that if I find spending extra time with you worthless ? Is it part of your programming as an NPC that everyone must follow these three steps after work ?
>>64667120>work functions aren't importantwhatever, stay a janitor your whole life, no one cares.
>>64667127the hypocrisy is visible with this post
>>64667135this also makes no sense. go figure, not using punctuation, retarded, no education nigger tribe ITT.
>>64667134Drinks are not work
>>64667131its okay dude, you're a pussy retard that makes up excuses your entire life, don't let me stand in your way Chad. XD>can't even have a single drink for 15 minutes lmaothis gen is so cowardice.
>>64667148no shit sherlock, it's called a work function. you know that, but you're a pussy excuse maker who endlessly generates excuses lol.
>>64665448Anarchists dont want this, they want your compliance and they hate being the government's bitch
>>64667158And you're a dumb nigger who's always being a dumb nigger
>>64667082>i don't get why you're repeating what i'm sayingIt serves to undermine your pathetic argument and highlight how baseless it is. I know youre new to 4chan but get with it, youre not r3ddit anymore.I think you're a triggered tranny desu. >You will hang out with us!>Socialising is more important that skill>Hanging out with tranniesLol spoken like someone whose only ever gotten a job due to quotas. Get good sweety.
>>64667154>this gen is so cowardice.No doing things you dont want to do because some tranny in HR says so is cowardice.
>>64667134>whatever, stay a janitor your whole life,He said while she sat there unemployed
>choose a workplace whose social norms include socializing>yet still actively choose not to even try adhering to said norms>gee, why people ostracize me, why this keeps happening to me?Pottery
>>64667154Why are you so desperate on other people drinking with you ? Can you not handle being on your own for 10 minutes ?
>>64656792Low level incel workers are seething because they realize this is why they didnt get that promotion
>>64667369only losers want promotions"omg i cant believe the job i signed up for didnt give me more money than we agreed upon WTF"
>>64657275I'm with you bro. same situation but I'm a chinkcel
>>64657275If this post is sincere, you should get out of here. Threads like OP are designed to elicit angry responses, and will eventually brainwash you into thinking that you are that kind of person since absolutely nobody sympathizes with you in the first place.t. happened to me
>>64662396>>64663305These two right here hit the nail on the head.
>>64667327But anon by your logic all workplaces require socialising. I dont have to meet people after work aslong as I meet my goals and expetcations on work hours.Sorry but you can't argue otherwise>You have too because reasonsIts not an argument.
>>64667888Based digits of truth. Thats all it is. Its only ever cuntoids in HR departments who want everyone to go have 'dinner' or 'drinks' after work.
>>64667178An anarchist shouldn't want to control others that doesn't make sense.
Just leave him alone sometimes solo workers are more efficient then team workers or he might have actual autism man fuck the wagie system