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Why are so many robots and incels alt right or staunch right wingers in general? How do those policies ever even benefit folks at the bottom of the totem pole like us? Leftists at least call for universal healthcare, unemployment support, etc. Sure, we live miserable, lonely lives in both instances but wouldn't it be better to at least live a comfortable yet miserable life instead of one where you just perpetually grind just to BE in the echelons of the peasants to begin with?
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>>69703504
Because leftism is no longer the counter culture. Normies typically possess somewhat liberal beliefs, thus the outcasts of society will be the anti thesis of normies.
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>>69703504
If we had UBI everyone could have a sex doll. Just saying.
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>>69703515
Leftism isn't liberalism. Leftism means that you're either a communist or anarchist, and don't support the status quo.
Liberalism means that you're a moderate who does support the status quo system of neoliberal capitalism.
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>the free (sexual) market marginalizes those at the bottom, we need authoritarian intervention for those incapable of having their needs met.
It's literally only because feminists hate incels and vice versa. There is no other reason.
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>>69703504
Because that's the media narrative that has been fed to them, to ensure the us vs. them identity politics keep us distracted from the real show. Right and left wing are two sides of the same coin, and the problem is that we're relying on coins period.
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>>69703504
Because the left is telling me I'm at the top of the totem pole and that I'm responsible for all of society's problems. Fuck them.
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>>69703504
I think a lot of them just do it for the community and sense of belonging somewhere, they have a place that is full of like-minded social rejects just like them. It's comforting.
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>>69703535
Just use your hand. You don't need a sex doll.
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Because conservative, right wing values are attractive to incels. Traditionalism benefits incels because of unironic patriarchy and oppression of other classes, while boosting white men of all social statuses. Traditionalism would allow ugly beta males to have wives who are basically their slaves with no real rights or liberties, it would give them more power in society while taking power away from those who in their minds wrong them. Most incels are racist as well, usually out of bitterness for being physically inferior to men of other races therefore those men steal their women who should belong to them, in the incels mind. Right wing conservatism is inherently imperialist and racist, so of course incels would align themselves with that.

Leftism is the antithesis to incels, it gives freedom of choice to women and gives power to other classes. Incels despise that because of their entitlement, they believe they should be the sole benefactors of life and society, and no one else. Leftism offers subtle eugenics and promotes hyoergamy which leaves incels alone and unable to breed. This can be seen as both good and bad, as allowing ugly and lesser men the chance to have a family is what gives them purpose and therefore a reason to participate in society. The reason we see so many young men dropping out is because of their lack of meaningful connections and love, but one can say they really arent entitled to these things. I see a future where women willingly join chads harems and there are scores of incel men being forced to work or killing themselves.
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>>69703504
How does mass migration benefit us? How do "trans kids" benefit us? How does giving billions to Ukraine benefit us? How does sending all the jobs off to China benefit us? How do gay orgies that spread monkeypox benefit us? How does any of the liberal bullshit that modern centrists and leftists push benefit us?
>Leftists at least call for universal healthcare, unemployment support, etc.
Every young, far-right male I know believes that the economy should serve the state, and that we need to invest heavily in our own people - education, welfare, housing, healthcare, etc...
You're just a useful idiot who furthers the humiliation and destruction of his own people.
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>>69703557
Except, outside of internet subculture, right wingers or people who vote for the GOP at least are better looking and wealtheir than most on the left. Why? Because it benefits them
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>>69703583
Those are just normal people who vote for a party on election day, they're not the creepy cultists obsessed with extreme politics who are always freaks.
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>>69703504
>Why are so many robots and incels alt right or staunch right wingers in general?
Because misogyny is one of the core values of the American alt-right. Incels and the manosphere in general were a part of the far-right cultural momentum during the 2010s; it's a far-right movement with its own worldview, narrative, and symbols.

It's worth remembering that incels didn't exist a decade ago. During the 2000s and early 2010s people who were "forever alone" (one popular meme then) did not subscribe to the same incel worldview, and often rejected "3D" relationships in favour of 2D ones qua waifus. It's extremely cringe, but to their credit these kinds of people were actually leaving women alone. Incels came later
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>>69703504
>Why are so many robots and incels alt right or staunch right wingers in general?
are you basing it solely off of 4chan? are you aware that there is another website that caters towards a different breed of robots/incels who all happen to be virulent leftists?
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>>69703599
holy reddit. the way you write is like reading a brochure on how to chop your cock off.
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>>69703504
I want the world to be as uncomfortable and unpleasant as possible for normalfags
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>>69703599
>Incels and the manosphere in general were a part of the far-right cultural momentum during the 2010s; it's a far-right movement with its own worldview, narrative, and symbols.
No, that's inaccurate. Incels are very split on politics with many being socialists who want more welfare and support given to lower class men.
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>>69703646
>Incels are very split on politics
What you imagine yourself as is irrelevant when the content and qualities of your worldview is far-right (which incels are).
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>>69703504
1. its a way to say fuck you to society
2. the opposing side is more a cultural force than a sound ideology so autists tend to see through it
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>>69703599
>to their credit these kinds of people were actually leaving women alone. Incels came later
Save the occasional school shooter who most of the time isn't an incel, incels are mostly just complaining on forums.The only way they "harm" women is by typing mean things online.
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>>69703504
The left is no longer about issues that matter. People vote right because its only the right that is offering solutions to economic issues. All leftists care about are non-whites and muh equality.
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>>69703664
updooted, stranger!
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>>69703569
Yes you do need a sex doll. You just don't realize until you have one, or have visited an escort. The hand does not cut it.
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>>69703536
It's completely naive to pretend that the organised Left is opposed to the liberal world order in any meaningful manner, it is a dog that has been trained to heel. The Left would be more attractive to young men if it wasn't involved in the same "egalitarian" race to the bottom as the rest of the West. A lot of people on 4chan recognise that the modern world is fundamentally misfunctional, and people who are more "blackpilled" recognise that society is becoming more and more hostile to men, while women, the perfect consumers, are placed on a pedestal.
As long as Left wing politics forces unnatural, atomising belief in the "equality of the sexes" instead of underscoring the importance of co-operation between men and women, it will remain absurd to any "incels."
Also fuck trannies.
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>>69703691
>The only way they "harm" women is by typing mean things online.
Of course a male with no knowledge of how to SPELL words would think women are unharmed by online misogyny
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>>69703721
grow a pair of balls or go outside fagtard
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>>69703702
Thanks fellow Redditor! The narwhal bacons at midnight! xD
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>>69703734
>grow a pair of balls
Typically male rhetoric. Everything comes back to your balls or penis. It's the only thing you're capable of thinking about
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>>69703751
True. Original true.
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>>69703751
You're not fooling anyone tranny.
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>>69703751
yeah dudes rock lol
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OP described why I'm on the left, I'm sick of being on the bottom and don't want there to be a bottom anymore.
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>>69703504
>>69703536
You are exactly correct and logical, however, you can't expect much logic from people who are the offal of the internet.

This site is like a window to the human psyche. And there, you don't find rational ideas about universal healthcare. There you find xenophobia, racism and a burning desire to kill fast everyone.
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>>69703806
>This site is like a window to the human psyche.
I think your sampling is, uh, problematic
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>>69703706
>another brainlet who only cares about identity politics
Read a book on economics or history once in a while. I don't really care about trannies, and I'm quite sure I've never even met one lol.
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>>69703577
i like how no one has addressed your points, these losers try to larp as the communists of 100 years ago but we all know what they really want is to destroy white countries and make everyone gay
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>>69703844
>read a book
>any book
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>>69703868
I thought it didn't need addressing because his point is just plain stupid. You can be left-wing and also recognize that immigration does not benefit first world countries in the current global capitalist system. I'm a leftist and think that immigration from certain countries should be outright stopped, but I also don't want to murder the people who already got here. same goes for several other leftists I know.
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>>69703504
My desires are beyond material creature comforts, your amorphous blob of humans and kumbaya are both utopian and repulsive to me.
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>>69703844
All the "Left" cares about is identity politics, that's all the leash you've been given. Trite bandaids on the Liberal world system like "emissions reductions," "social welfare," and of course the rights of the poor oppressed trannies, women and niggers are the only causes the Left will stand behind.
You're a dishonest little worm who can't engage with any of my points so you throw out the same blanket insult that you fags resort to even while debating each other. "Uhm, read some theory sister?" Dishonest queer.
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>>69703924
Massive cope. You're the one who started spouting about identity politics in the first place and gave the impression it's all you care about, and now are backpedaling lol.
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>>69703917
How is it stupid? Hardly any leftists are anti-immigration, and I can't think of even a single notable leftist party in the western world that wants to clamp down on immigration. At least in the western world, leftists are glorified liberals. All of the anti-immigration leftists I've ever known have, sooner or later, gone NS.
Oh, and you don't have to kill them, deportation works fine.
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>>69703504
incels are right-wingers because it's right and natural and they are in a position where they can clearly see that being a hard-core right.winger is the best option for him. right-wingers are they way they are because for thousands of years they have been part of the warrior classes of societies. The right-winger values are exactly the kind of values that soldiers like, think about it. Strong borders, being able to smack a disobedient cunt straight, good religious values, being able to set whore daughters straight, political and religious leaders that are on their side, being self-reliant (that part often came through the army when leaders gave the army men lands and such that they could till and plow and live on and such) and so on and forth. This has been the norm for thousands of years for good reason the and incels can clearly see why, since now that the women are all "liberated" they only wanna work and shop and drink and fuck alphas. The women don't fucking like normal people, they think they are fucking boring! They wanna be with exciting men, not boring average joe guys. But the vast majority of any society literally IS boring average joe guys, so what now?? Also, a lot of women are pure fucking disgusting scum. They literally think they can just waste their youth being selfish and pursue careers that end up going nowhere and sucking alpha cock and then when all that fails, they can always just settle for some boring "loser" later in life. They literally think this is a possibility. Too late, of course, do they find out that a lot of guys don't go for old roastie bitches with a couple of bastards in tow. Too late do they find out that all these ugly boring losers actually are real men with real thoughts and iq's and feelings and that they aren't stupid enought to fall for the womens' stupid tricks and thus want nothing to do with them.
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>>69703936
I have backpeddled on nothing. You're obviously not here to have an actual discussion as to why young men are not attracted to the party of pink haired freaks lining up with Amazon to twerk at a fag pride parade.
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>>69703951
Most people are not leftists, most people are liberals. They are not communists or anarchists in their views, they're social liberals.

The point I'm getting at is that leftist figures and speakers around the world tend to be critical of liberals since historically liberals tend to side with nazis.
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>>69703981
>The point I'm getting at is that leftist figures and speakers around the world tend to be critical of liberals since historically liberals tend to side with nazis.
This is just embarrassing. You really are a brainless slogan shouter.
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>>69703954
Beyond many bad ideas the Left had, they are a very repulsive lot physically and genetically. My physiognamy senses are on red alert when I see these people.
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robots resist society pressure, they want to make right things. Right wing looks like the right thing to do.
When I got to vote in my home owners association, they attempted to exclude me from decision making, because I followed the law. They were still able to ignore the law, because controlling institution does not give a fuck.
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>>69703572
Hypergamy was an integral part of the old world order too though it was more based on the status you were born into opposed to your looks but what's the difference? Nobles had countless mistresses from the peasant class whereas the average peasant had to work decades and married another woman in much older age.

Would incels be happier in those circumstances? Probably not. Sure, sexual liberation has led to a new form of hypergamy that's not based on status but looks instead but you forgot a crucial part of this all. The left also support legalizing sex work, and at the end of the day it's much better to have a good, non exploitative working environment with good salaries and unions with unfettered access to sex workers than to be a slave peasant with a nagging wife
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>>69703989
Nonsense reply, try harder.
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>>69704004
Again all these goodies and materialist drivel, it doesn't interest me. One because I know you're lying and have a historical tendency to over promise and under deliver. And two having meaningless sex is only something that someone severely mentally ill would ever want (and yes, I know that means like 99% of modern fools). And three, materialist desires kill the planet physically and spiritually. I have no desire to work with you.
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>>69704004
>The left also support legalizing sex work, and at the end of the day it's much better to have a good, non exploitative working environment with good salaries and unions with unfettered access to sex workers than to be a slave peasant with a nagging wife
Glad to know you're just trolling and not actually braindead. No sane person would seriously think that women prostituting themselves isn't inherently exploitive.
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>>69703504
BECAUSE I LIKE IT WHEN THE FUNNY MEN SAY NIGGER!!!!!!!!!!
thats it. Leftists are too fucking preachy and unfun to be around or talk to or watch or tolerate. I don't even care that much about politics but I'll take a Nick Fuentes or fucking whomever far right figure than a Hasan or something.
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>>69704058
It's fascinating how unfunny they've really become. They're humorless and boring while also being vapid and shameless.
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>>69704050
Material possession = happiness for most. It is what it is.
>>69704051
t. Woman who can't seem to acknowledge that plenty of women CHOOSE to work as sex workers and that sex work is even regulated in many places around the world. Probably also wants to see most men as eunuch depressed wagie drones working for shit wages while she fucks WASP trust fund chad and lives an easily life
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>>69704004
AND no one thinks that that part was okay, either. The average peon didn't have a particularly fun life, but he still had more fucking right than the average peon has today. For example, if his bitch got uppity, he could smack her straight. Try doing that now and see what happens to you.
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>>69704130
Of course it means happiness. Hence why people in rich countries have such low rates of suicide and depression. Or not....
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>>69704163
if "his bitch got uppity", the man is supposed to tell her that he is not okay with it. if she continues that behavior, then just leave her. it isn't hard.
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>>69703504
The left wing is all about delusion the right wing is all about reality. Im certain most incels dont care about politics but have notice the right wing side is the only one that agrees with them where as the left wing mercilessly shames them.
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>>69704178
That's not how women work. You need to be their father.
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>>69703504
because not everyone is a fucking NPC dog like you who only does what serves his immediate interest best
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>>69703572
>Leftism offers subtle eugenics
Want me to start posting mulattoes?
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>>69704184
sounds more like you want a daughter-wife to punish. and tell me, if your woman acts mean towards you, what stops you from simply leaving? men are so pathetic these days and come up with 10000 excuses instead of just leaving the woman when he needs to.
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>>69704163
You seem to be missing the point. A utopia cannot exist in the context of a civilization, never can and never will. It's a matter of the lesser of the two evils and we have to choose a side for our own sake.
>>69704169
People in 1st world countries are still happier in general.
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>>69703504
They are NPC bots that don't know that original communists were very socially conservative.

>>69703535
UBI wouldn't work because these whores charge like 200-300+ dollars for an hour of pussy. It would be better to just force women into state mandated brothels. Basically the government should create a tax-payer funded harem that ALL males can have access to.

Like a public library but for pussy.

Only a far economically leftist government would be able to pull that shit off.
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>>69704130
Plenty of people choose to do stupid things that only harm them. That doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Prostitution causes irreparable damage to a woman's body and soul. Trying to pass off brutal explotation as a choice and a hecking good thing is evil. Any self-proclaimed socialist a hundred years ago would punch your face in for suggesting that they should be encouraging women to whore themselves.
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>>69703572
>Traditionalism would allow ugly beta males to have wives

This is the biggest lie sold to incels.

No chad father is going to give his daughter to a fucking beta male. It would be 100x worse to live as a sub-5 in tradcuck land.
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>>69703696
>The left is no longer about issues that matter
This. I wish these cunts would stop talking about trannies faggots and women for one fucking second. Those groups already live life on EZ mode yet those soibois will STILL keep REEing about them.
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>>69704226
I think the fundamental difference between a low value man who adopts Left wing views and a low value man who adopts Right wing views is the latter sees himself as an aberration.
The leftist basedboy accepts his wretchedness as the way he's meant to be. The right wing incel on the other hand sees his weakness as something that never should have been. He doesn't hate himself on principles, but he wishes for a society that would have shaped him into a more suited man.
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>>69703535
im a liberal now <3
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>>69704130
Why would you want to let your countrymen choose to be self-destructive like that? You can also choose to cut your cock off or replace your blood with heroin. "Sex work" should be outlawed because it's fucking satanic and those who do engage in it, or who are considering engaging in it, should be given serious help.
>t. literal fascist
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>>69704226
This. Majority of traditional Muslim countries only let sub5 men breed because women are economically dependent on men. Not because of muh values.
If you want to see Muslim women with traditional values and their mating patterns without the economic pressure, visit r/MuslimMarriage. It should be an eye opener for tradcucks. Muslim women in 1st world countries have collectively decided to remain single and pet multiple cats rather than wed their looksmatch. And the majority of traditional Muslim men in the west are basically incels and have to import brides from their home countries.
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>>69703504
Because I make good money and the fewer women and niggers I have to subsidize, the better.
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>>69703504
>Why are so many robots and incels alt right or staunch right wingers in general?
the right is less deeply pro-female than the left. that's basically it. the mainstream right is also pussy-whipped, but not as much as the left is, which makes zero demands on women and actively helps them with shit like #MeToo, welfare, no-fault divorce, etc.

the first political order is the sexual political order. everything else is secondary to the laws and customs that regulate the relations between the sexes. the modern world is gynocentric and both mainstream parties, along with the far left, support policies to make the world even more gynocentric. only the alt-right is "problematic" enough to even suggest that women's behavior be curtailed in any way or that any demands for good behavior be placed on them. therefore the incel has nowhere else to turn. all the issues he cares most deeply about are only even acknowledged by fascists, everyone else just tells him he's crazy or evil or entitled.
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>>69703504
Why would I support people who hate me and want me dead?
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>>69703504
>Why are so many robots and incels alt right or staunch right wingers in general?
Because the far-right is the new counterculture. If these people had been born ~20 years earlier, they'd be a part of whatever the counterculture was 20 years ago.
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>>69704367
I always found it interesting how both female and male suicide rates got lower when no-fault divorce is introduced.
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>>69704226
>No chad father is going to give his daughter to a fucking beta male.
Yeah he is. If he lives in a culture where women get married early instead of having dating lives or chasing careers, there is a limited number of men to get married to. Women can't share one Chad the way they can presently, they have to pick one man and stick with him. That means only a few are going to get Chad or Brad and everyone else has to settle for less. Chad's daughter will have to settle and Chad will have to make his peace with that, because the other option is she never marries at all.

Which is leaving aside that in a "tradcuck" society, Chad is going to have more say over who his daughter marries, and he's not going to share her hypergamous instincts. He may look at the young beta male's qualities and see value that his daughter wouldn't. He may well hand her over and be quite happy that she didn't go to someone else.
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>>69704367
Oba Yozo fucked prostitutes, had friends, people liked him, his rich family paid for his continuted wretched existence, and he had multiple girlfriends and MANY suitors. He was a wreck, and we can all relate to bits and pieces of his life, but he was not /ourguy/.
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>>69704226
>fucking beta male
In foid speak is "LITERALLY NOT CHAD" which means 80% of men are "fucking beta males". Like this is hard for alot of morons on this board to grasp legit ugly fucking dudes are genetically rare.
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>>69704432
If you don't know what a beta male is, or get angry at the world, you probably are one.

>A beta male is a man who lacks masculine energy and adopts feminine characteristics, often faces problems or confrontations passive aggressively.

describes incels to me pretty well, but not normie men.
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>>69704463
>A beta male is a man who lacks masculine energy and adopts feminine characteristics, often faces problems or confrontations passive aggressively
This is how a man defines a beta male

A female definition of beta male is literally NOT CHAD.

A completely autistic Chad who stutters all the time is more alpha to a foid than a hyper confident non virgin non Chad.
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>>69704483
Based on what? Most women can recognize a beta male because he stands out from the crowd, he's worse than other men.
Now keep up the cope and seethe.
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>>69704463
>not normie men
Incels do not bother, the ones being left swiped or left on read on the other dating apps are normie men so yes normie men are the beta males you coping fuck. Incels arent even a part of this equation foids just bitch about them because they pathologically hate virgins.
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>>69703646
Those socialists are essentially delusional. They're expecting tactics that work for women/children to work for them. They can't. Welfare is easily given to groups that pass as being weak in some fashion, nobody will ever believe that about men in general and white men in particular, and they will therefore not only resist giving them any support no matter how good their arguments, they will resent the men for even asking.
>No, YOU are supposed to take care of US, idiot.
We've had plenty of attempts over the past decade+ at good faith, well-reasoned, polite MRA movements to get those kinds of reforms made the same way women and minorities did. All of them have withered under the sheer vitriol that women hurl back as soon as the MRA opens his mouth. It doesn't work. It will never work. Which is another reason for rising interest in right-wing ideas and tactics among incels. It's not that they're naturally predisposed that way, anyone can be an incel. It's that we've been trying stuff for a while and the left-wing approach simply doesn't work. The right-wing approach still offers some promise, so that's where everyone turns.
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>>69704500
you're not a beta male just because you didn't get x amount of swipes on tinder lmao. tinder is 80% men 20% women, and most of those are bot accounts.
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>>69704497
What nonsense, any mentalcel on this board confirms that foids do not care if Chads act like pussies or aspies meaning alpha to foid means Chad and ONLY CHAD. You understand stupid?
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>>69704517
>most of these are bot accounts
This is pathetic cope and it sounds to me like your saying your not a beta male oh thats what this is about sorry your not Chad so your beta genetic garbage to all foids next time be born sexy.
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>>69704518
Yet you see threads here every day from guys who say that they're handsome and girls even come up to them, but they're always ghosted as soon as girls realize they're autistic mentalcels.
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>>69704383
Right answer, the thread can end now.
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>>69704530
Bots are an epidemic on dating sites and apps, you're just coping.
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>>69704534
No mentalcels ghost them because mentalcels are insane, mentalcels make up shit just to fit in here because they are crazy people. As if a foid cares if some Chad stutters shes already hypnotized by his gorgeous face. Get real man.
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>>69704559
>Im being left swiped by uh uh bots thats it

No you suck you aint Chad so you just suck, deal with it.
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>>69704560
>everyone i disagree with is lying
That's a nice ideology you've got there, so easy.
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>a woman yelling "you don't have sex, incel loser" ruins thread.
Many such cases
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>>69703504
In their mind they are not losers they're temporarily embarrassed chads
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>>69704603
Behavior means nothing looks are everything to a woman. Any bullshit women says regarding looks DOES NOT APPLY TO CHAD IT ONLY APPLIES TO YOU THE NON CHAD.

Chad can be as wussy as cringy or spergy as he wants his handsome beautiful tall self makes any foid too weak to think straight so she will automatically see anything he does as positive.
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>>69704611
This is just bs. They are the most self aware people on the internet
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>>69703504
We hate our lives so much that we yearn for a system that would quickly kill people like us so that life would be more enjoyable for all beings.
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>>69704656
Just a few more years of nofap and mewing and lifting and...
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>>69704706
Literally things incel consider memes
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>>69703572
Many incels see through the traditionalist lie, the wealthier class men oppress the lower class men still. Women are hypergamous and will find loop holes to express this. Women stayed home while men worked, thus still oppressive to the male role. Many alt right users here despise incels because incels see the traditionalist lie, and how it's just an organized version of the modern system. Many racists believe in the spread of their genes as women are the backbone of society, so your conclusion of "women haters being racist alt right fascists" is merely a pretext.

>Women are oppressed

Never, you can see now since women are liberated that they are giving sexual behavior in exchange of financial stability. The modern world reflects on the female natural behavior.

>Ugly inferior men

Rebuking these types of people seems fascist, do I dare say Nazi. Because they too want to rid and find philosophy and excuse to get rid of them. Infact, nazism is about the right means right. Just like you post here.

If sex and goods are overlapped and and are exchanged, if sex is a natural need. (Which is proven to have health benifits) then therefore incels are the sexual prolariant. I've always been communist, anarchist at that and this concept is interesting and does greatly affect the union. Even Marx/Engles covered this

>Just white men

Seen a lot of posts of different races complain about being virgin all which are autistic.

To me it seems that your belief leans on the right wing spectrum without mentioning racial superiority.
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>>69704624
Just take your pills already, YWNBAW >>69704534
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>>69704734
You don't have to consider yourself an incel to actually be an incel
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>>69704769
We were talking about self proclaimed incels and robots who know what that means in this thread obviously
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>>69703504
The left constantly tells me I'm evil simply for being a white male. Why would I support a movement or party which openly hates me?
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>>69704809
They tell me I'm evil gross rapist for having autism and having trauma which caused my social anxiety and awkwardness, and having "inferior" genes. Even called a loser and why I'm alive if I can't contribute
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>>69704809
They don't do that though, REALLY though, do they?
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>>69704899
>White men are evil white men are this, how can you hate white people if they aren't a race.
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>>69704750
>since women are liberated that they are giving sexual behavior in exchange of financial stability.
No. Women in the 21st century have financial stability on their own, that's why so many are marching into middle age single and with no children. Traditionally, the most primary reason for a woman to get married was so she could afford to move out of her father's house. That was a motivation for her to marry early. But during the 20th century we instituted a whole suite of laws that made it illegal for companies to notice that men are generally better and harder workers than women, and opened the doors for women in the workplace. So now if a woman wants to move out of her father's house, she just goes and gets a job on her own, no man required. This drives a wedge between men and women that delays marriage and delays family.
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>>69704873
Pretty much.
>>69704899
Except they do. Eventually you hear enough soundbites from liberal politicians demonizing white men that you internalize it and realize they hate you.
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>>69703536
>Leftism means that you're either a communist or anarchist, and don't support the status quo.
Even if this is true by definition they overlap enough that you felt the need to explain that they were two separate things.
Communists try to emasculate young men who oppose them
Liberals try to emasculate young men who oppose them
Therefore I feel comfortable lumping them in the same category of people to avoid.
For me I've had multiple encounters with trannies/communists/liberals that treated me badly but I've never met a /pol/fag in my life. This is probably the answer to your question
>>69703844
>Why are so many incels right wing?
Have you considered that maybe these people aren't actually right wingers economically but just opposed to identity politics? If the mention of identity politics provokes you to mock that guy then maybe you shouldn't have made this thread in the first place.
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>>69704946
Yeah eventually they use only fans for side bucks. Because it's only natural to want slightly more and get noticed online. Who cares about families and kids, my philosophy on that is on a different post.
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>>69703572
>>69704226
Stop conflating incels with low value
>No father is going to give his daughter to a beta male
Yes they would, because Chad and Incel is completely divorced from any objective metric of value that men in history have established.
It would be enough to be a good man with a good business for a mans approval. In todays age that doesn't mean shit to women. Looks and Status is the only thing that matters. Women willing to trade sex for money doesn't mean anything if she doesn't reproduce with the betabux.
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>>69703504
Maybe because leftists are virulently anti-white, anti-family, anti-male, anti-Christian? They dont even really call for working class support and protection anymore, they are just mean, nasty blacks and faggots who cant do anything.
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Women dont trade sex for financial stability, a wife by default gives sex to her husband in tradiational society. The purpose of the traditional union has nothing to do with giving the male a soul mate or forcing the woman to behave, it has to do with creating a family unit and nothing more. The monogamous family unit produces stable decent human offspring compared to the animalistic polygamist family unit and the stone age single mom family unit.
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>>69705365
Creating a family unit requires forcing good behavior out of both adult participants though, which is done via the traditional marriage contract. That's what's wrong in the modern day, the marriage contract no longer forces good behavior out of women.
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>>69705034
I'm not OP you know, don't put his words into my mouth.
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>>69705496
Whats wrong is the husband has no absolute authority over the wife.
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>>69705333
>leftists are virulently anti-white, anti-family, anti-male, anti-Christian?
I'm a leftist and I'm none of those. You have a warped view that was shaped by terminally online imbeciles and bored teenagers feeding you talking points from hucksters.
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>>69705511
You replied to a guy replying to the op which gives the impression that you share ops position on this.
Why assume all these incels are right wingers when given prompts to believe it might just be the identity politics they reject?
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>>69703572
If a society doesnt provide any concrete benefits to an entire class of people, then those people dont have any obligation to support that society. There will legitimately be an incel revolution before we get into blatant harem territory
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>>69705301
>It would be enough to be a good man with a good business for a mans approval

Good point. Women are class obsessed hedonists but for men its very different.

Yeah okay, you changed my mind.

t. the anon who said trad-world would be shit
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Honestly I dont feel an obligation to support any political party or ideology that isnt openly calling for circumcision to be made illegal across the board, as one of their main points. It is by far the most egregious human rights violation constantly occurring in our country today, and it is the only need you need to point to to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that our society does irrefutably care more about women than men. Its fucking disgusting that its allowed to continue and very enlightening how people react when you raise this issue.
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>>69705767
We already have a harem society the 20/80 rule.
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>>69706102
Thats not actual harem society. Im talking about men explicitly having multiple long term partners out in the open, like multiple girls living with Chad at the same time, him bringing them all out on dates, etc. In todays society there is still a sliver of plausible deniability for girls that they are not actually part of a harem because Chad tends to try to keep all the girls separate from each other both in space and time. This allows people to sweep
it under the rug a little. Real harem society begins when you see Chad walking down the street with his 3 or 4 wives and all the girls are okay with it
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it's an illogical and spiteful ideology that rejects nature and reality. it's nothing but constant revolt and unnatural violence. it's a wormy thought that eats itself and everything around it as it seeks to consolidate and centralise power so that it might gnaw on as many minds and souls as possible grotesque and devilish.
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Because the left doesn't cater to them.

If they actually cared about outcast men, and made them a demographic to focus on, they would easily gain their support.
But instead of doing that, they demonize them, because for some reason, it's ok to be a scumbag if women aprove your actions.

> b-but muh misogyny
If it was about that, they wouldn't use incel as an insult, but "misogynist" or something similar. The things they focus on are their lower status and their social failures, because those are the things that we should be really ashamed of.
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>>69703504
Because leftism is the cause of all the social ills that destroyed things. In the past, even an uglier person had the ability to at least carve out a social life. With porn, social media and the destruction of values it means that the average person has a much harder time just trying to live. So the people lower down are pushed even harder. And the reason for all this is acclerationism. Accelerationism is the intense push of "progress" at such a speed that social evolution can't keep up with it to cause radical revolution and is pushed by leftism. /r9k/ is the bottom of the barrel and even here something like 70% of the people would at least have something if they were born a few decades before all this. Job, house, relationship, friends all the normal stuff. But now because of the destruction of values and the constant march of "progress" look at where we are at.
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to think i'd find so many fucking based individuals
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>>69706170
Chad's orbiters are already his harem meaning Chads have harems in the 1000s usually.
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>>69705704
>Why assume all these incels are right wingers
again I'm not OP and never assumed that all incels are right wingers.
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>>69706178
Yes Americans were very overpaid in the past and could afford school, house, car, etc working part time.
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>>69706178
It's amazing that you've managed to write out so much text and get almost everything you say wrong.
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>>69706264
And you didn't even bother to try and argue against any of it, why?
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>>69706231
Then what do you think?
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A human is simply bipedal omnivorous but with a preference for verterbrate flesh predator, humans are supposed to live in small tribes spearing animals to death to pass the time or engage in various schizo animistic and maybe polytheistic delusions. This is the ideal life for humans that mother nature created. How sex is distributed varied by tribe some tribes simply assigned mates, others would engage in contest to get mates, and others were straight up cucks who allowed women to choose.
Then humans in Mesopotamia 15,000 developed agriculture and changed everything no longer were humans now roaming animal spears they could now control the animal food supply and also plant food supply themselves with nowhere to move humans simply intensified their ideas overtime leading to the first civilized cultures and governments. For the average human life was simply being a farmer again sexual dynamics varied by civilization but most decided that arranged was the way to go. This dynamic remained unchanged for thousands of years until europeans.
Europeans gave women the right to choose for good this unleashed a sexual dynamic not even the stone age possessed because human tribes were so tiny that Chadism simply couldnt exist. Instead we have women pining for only the facially handsome men denying most men reproduction. In our modern world farming is seen as something the low status uses and farming has been upgraded to the point that mass scale human farming like in the past is simply inefficient and cannot compete with commericialized farming and markets. The new purpose for a man in society is to simply find a niche he can waste his time until he dies in we call this "finding a career". Some men however lack the mental wiring to care about this so end up as parasitic criminals in society. Men who do neither of these simply exist in space engaging in hedonistic of various levels sometimes none these are us the incels. We are men who cant see any purpose in existence any more.
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>>69706406
Without being a farmer labororer, an animal spear chucker men have no purpose depending on the IQ this causes men to freak out, so men look for a purpose something to work for and that would be a family. In our modern world the female sex hates the idea of a monogamous family desiring to be the breeding sow of various uncaring males or handsome men who dont care if their offspring perishes. With no ability to form families men lose all will to do anything at all so they do what their instincts tell them do when they cant find a purpose engage in hedonism and keep it up until you drop dead. Hedonism can mean anything from watching media, creating things,and of course commiting savage criminal actions.
The right wing of society allows a family to exist while the left wing erases it so it is no surprise that incels prefer the right wing.
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>>69706192
Thats not an actual harem though, just quite along the way to being one. Once chads girlfriend says something like: This is my boyfriend Chad, and his other girlfriends A, B, and C, and actually acknowledging it. Otherwise we are like 75% of the way there only
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>>69706406
None of that even happened. The world was created 200 years ago.
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>>69703504
>Leftists at least call for universal healthcare, unemployment support
Call for
Never, ever deliver
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>>69706258
Theres not point to living in any society where the goal isnt baby boomer style prosperity for the majority of people. Any technological or social measure should be taken to meet this standard.
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>>69703646
>>69704004
Nobles did not have unfettered access to mistresses back then. Even nobles were punished for adultery.

No leftist ideas are going to help incels because all of the leftist socialist programs result in women needing men less and less.

If you want to talk about Viktor Orban style socialism where loans are given specifically to married couples then I'm all for that. Talk about shit like universal childcare on the other hand and you can go fuck yourself. The backbone of conservatism is the social principles not the economic ones.
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>>69703504
Robots dont care about politics. Incels are contrarian retards. There you go.
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>>69706727
Robots and incels are the same thing as of now. It's not 2010 anymore
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>>69703504
Because they have no connections with actual humans and lack empathy.
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>>69704004
>and at the end of the day it's much better to have a good, non exploitative working environment with good salaries

Sex workers are currently PRICE GOUGING men for 300-400dollars a fucking hour you fucking retard. MEN are the ones being exploited by sex work, NOT women.

Only way I'd ever support sex work is if the government managed brothels and put price ceilings and subsidies on that shit.

No man should ever have to pay more that 20 dollars an hour for a wet hole.
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>>69703504
The real answer is that incels generally recognize a natural hierarchy or aristocracy of inborn traits that are generally the prime determinants of life outcomes. As such, they unable to become leftists by the very virtue of this realization, as leftism is fundamentally the abolition of hierarchy and denial of inborn characteristics.
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>>69706960
Teenage politics are still 100% fueled by contrarianism and the "fuck you, dad" sentiments.

None of it. 0% is organic. It is fostered by weirdos on the internet and does not come from years of paying mortgages and property taxes.
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Incels are delusional in general and think they would've been receiving a beautiful wife for doing nothing instead of just being sent out to die in a war or abandoned in the wilderness for refusing to work
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>>69707045
>denial of inborn characteristics.
What? Leftists do recognize natural characteristics, but the point is that society should first and foremost help those who were born into unfortunate circumstances. Leftists are way more likely to talk about, say, ableism than rightoids.
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>>69703504
I'm an incel and I'm kind of center-left overall. My main gripe with the left is feminism and censorship mongering. The ultimate goal of feminism is to psychologically and materially crush low status males through various underhanded tactics. As for censorship, well, I like to be able to express what I think regardless of some tumblr bitch or soccer mom crying about it.
My main gripe with the right is of course the general unforgiving attitude towards losers and outcasts. The bootstrap bullshit. Also they want me to hang for appreciating the male figure.
I really can't be bothered with partisan politics though because it seems both sides want me destroyed if they had their way. They're all sadists and psychopaths.
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>>69707192
Agreed, can't completely support the left because of identity politics and retard activism that leads nowhere.
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>>69707140
Sure, unfortunate societal, economic, or social circumstances. But the problem some liberals make is extending that sentiment too far. There is nothing wrong with ableism. The strongest, smartest, most dexterous, most artistic people should make it to the front of their field by the very nature of their ability. This is why there is such a rift in the Star Trek audience, for example. Old school pre enterprise Star trek was incredibly liberal while also being incredibly meritocratic and ableist, while nutrek is much more of a modern equality of outcome not equality of opportunity egalitarianism
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>>69707192
>I'm an incel and I'm kind of center-left
>The ultimate goal of feminism is to psychologically and materially crush low status males
Lol you're kind of a retard is what you are
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>>69707233
NTA but im economically left and socially right.

His take on feminism wasn't wrong. Both left and right politics view males as disposable and don't give a shit about men that fall behind or drop out of society.
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>>69703572
>>Traditionalism would allow ugly beta males to have wives
Not exactly. It's equally harsh to men and women who don't fit the description to the mold, albeit with harsher terms to the latter. So basically much of the same thing but without the loose pussy pass.
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>>69707251
>Both left and right politics view males as disposable
And rightly so
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>>69704178
why not just punch her, instead?
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>>69704200
men aren't quitters like you. we make it work, or else.
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>>69707315
You're a tranny though so ynbaw
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>>69707315
>And rightly so

Nah mainstream leftist thought is completely schizophrenic.

they are all:
>muh womans rights
>muh tranny rights
>muh wealth inequality
But if a man points out systememic opression against him its
>OMG ur a toxic, incel , NAZI, have sex and touch grass

honestly mainstream leftists needs to be sent to the gulag where they belong.

Leftism is supposed to be about rising up agaisn't the ruling class. Instead your just oppressing like 80% of males to make 20% of men rich all under the guise of being "progressive".

Mainstream leftists are NPC bots.
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>>69707434
>mainstream leftist thought
It wasn't really that long ago everything you described was hyper-fringe tumblr/twitter shit that had zero mainstream traction.

In a few years the soapboxes of social media and the dullards that recently joined the internet completely transformed, well, reality itself. This is why I still stand by that giving internet access to everyone is a very, very bad thing.
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>>69703504
There's not going to be any universal healthcare or unemployment benefits or any other nice stuff when your former country is run by blacks and/or muslims (thanks to the leftist policy of mandatory multiculturalism).
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>>69703504
>Leftists at least call for universal healthcare, unemployment support, etc.
Nah, they don't. Leftists call for racial violence against white people. The goal of leftists is to kill all white men and rape white women, white children. No wonder why do white people vote for right-wing parties because leftists support mass non-white immigration in order to replace white people in their homelands.
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>>69703504
I don't know why more incels aren't eugenicists who tout the "quality" of human life instead of quantity. Modern societies are still slave-based, they need massive populations of people with less freedoms than others to keep the machine rolling. Of course, in a neoliberal capitalist society they can "buy" their freedom if they work hard enough but for most people this will never happen. Incels only exist because as a society the system requires them to exist as slaves and they're shamed for having a sexuality since they're seen as undesirable only useful for the labor they might provide. Basically, we want masses of asexual worker drones but nobody attacks this very idea. Societies are sick to its core, nobody wants to fight against it because they see these massive human constructs as natural as the forest. To them, these things will persist without them so there's no point in targeting the root of the problem instead of offering band-aid solutions which just tip the scales of power. Large scale societies are sick, they try to apply the same tribal attitudes through the bureaucracy of disconnected and uncaring people which only causes massive amounts of untold suffering as people completely detached from the "Greater tribe" steer things in a way that only benefits them and their club. We aren't made for this, most of us can't empathize on these massive scales that are required for this to even work humanely. There is no peace in society that is based on a disposable labour force that must exist for it to function, there will be no utopia, no grand vision of the future to come out of this. To fix the problems at hand we need to deconstruct the nature of large scale, hierarchical agricultural societies that operate based on masses of slaves.
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>>69703504
Because they have terrible lifes and hate the world they've been placed into, mass media currently leans really left. It's contrarianism to piss off the bulk of society, just like everyone was hard left during the bush years when hardcore christfagdom and religious moral majorities were mainstream media.
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>>69707140
Like I said, leftists deny natural hierarchy/aristocracy as a perfectly reasonable and normal part of the human experience



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