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Why do women not "take the initiative" and ask men out? I've spoken to multiple groups of women about this topic and never gotten a logical answer. They don't even seem to question why they conform to the notion that men should be the only ones starting the relationship.
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They don't need to and they're too cowardly in most cases, so it's high risk with minimal reward
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>>70315147
women do ask people out theyre just not asking you
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They do. Maybe not you, but women are shooting their shot. Not everyone is good at it, some will be coy or indirect, but many are.
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there's a dating app where, when you match with a woman, she has to initiate the conversation. the conversation cannot be started by the man.

about 30% of the women on this app have "I'm not going to start the convo, that's the man's job" on their profile

on app where it is literally impossible for a man to do that

chew on that for a while.
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>>70315147
Women do take the initiative, just not with you.
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>>70315147
i did and now im married to him
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>>70315147
My wife asked me out and I have a friend who's gf asked him out. It's still pretty uncommon tho but if a girl likes you enough I think she would.
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Because we want to be chased. Would rather be chased by ANYONE than be caught dead chasing Chad.
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>>70315147
Because women want attention and validation, and they've likely never gone too long without it, so they don't put themselves in a position where they actually have to deal with reality. Seriously. I grew up around women. I was raised by women. When I was younger, many of my friends were women. The shit our society spews which seeks to praise and pedestalize women is all fake. It just is. Women are ignorant, stupid, and self absorbed. They are like children, but they never grow up.
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OP question might seem like trite old bait, but it is actually kind of interesting.

a)women up until a certain age do seek out men, especially through social circle and classmates

b)at some point, they stop completly, in my experience around mid highschool

So why is that? I think that social roles and expectations mold them into it, aside from some of the crazy weirdos
There is also a personal discouragement/caution element, whereby they tend to be less direct due to past negative experiences.
Men experience this too, but generally have no other choice but keep going (notice how the more introverted and incel types stop around this age too).

In addition, by mid teens, they start to receive enough attention to satiate their egos, and their c*nts, so the incentive to chase after men fades (notice how the least liked females still keep going in some cases instead).

Finally, there is a hormonal and emotional change in them, while they are still young enough, they have a naive desire+push to behave more outwardly, that dries up as they tend to reach adulthood and past puberty.

All this doesn't account for technology, and is more about the past when I grew up, today things might be very different.
I also didn't mention Chads, for whomst women might still chase after at any age, probably.
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>>70315434
>about 30% of the women on this app have "I'm not going to start the convo, that's the man's job" on their profile
Firstly, you are pulling a percentage out of your ass. Secondly, most of them are joking. You are a retard. Chew on that for a while.
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>>70315767
And like every other joke made by a woman, it isn't funny or original.
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>>70315147
Because a guy who isn't man enough to approach the girl himself clearly doesn't have what it takes to be a good bf

/thread
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>>70315782
It's funny because it made you seethe.
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>>70315147
if women started asking men out there literally be 0 single women left on earth
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>>70315147
Why do women not "take the initiative" and stalk me?
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>>70315788
>Because a guy who isn't man enough to approach the girl himself clearly doesn't have what it takes to be a good bf
A woman who isn't approachable enough to be asked out by the man, clearly doesn't have what it takes to be a good gf

/thread
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>>70315791
>It's funny because it made you seethe.
I don't use dating apps. I'm not even the anon who posted about that one. I'm just saying, if you think that joke is at all funny... YNGMI.
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Me and this guy both like each other, we are gonna meet irl soon. He probably thinks hes going to initiate it first but I plan on asking him out
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>>70315797
This doesn't disprove anything I said. If anything it strengthens it.
Both play their part
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>>70315814
>This doesn't disprove anything I said. If anything it strengthens it.
>Both play their part
Go to the catalog, search "Suicide thread", and take notes. You should get plenty of material.
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Because they prefer men taking the lead. Given you're an anime watching sissy, it's no surprise you're bitching about women not approaching your neckbeard ass.

It's always a riot seeing robots turn into feminists if it means they won't have to assert themselves.
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>>70315814
Seriously. If you're not being approached AND you're not man enough to approach, you're defective and shouldn't get a gf, let alone breed.
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>>70315342
what's the difference between me and them?
I have a co-worker who is about as attractive as me, looks like me, has a similar personality but he gets hit on constantly and I never had
this isn't me winging about how unfair it is I have a gf, I just genuinely don't get what makes him more attractive than me
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>>70315147
Taking the initiative is difficult and stressful.
They don't have to because they know a man will always eventually do it for them
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>>70316146
You probably severely overestimate your actually attractiveness
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>>70315147
There is no need to + women generally are not attracted to the kind of guy who wouldn't take initiative even then.
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women do ask men out, not as much as men but they do. theyre just not asking you or me
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>>70315333
>>70315342
>>70315384
all three of these are correct. they are way more scared of rejection than we are. Plus they don't really need to so there is no need to try and they can hide behind that. On the occasion that a guy is just really good, they will make the first move. Sometimes they are shy and socially awkward about it. They will just keep giving hints until you do something or they make an effort to be around you. Society has conditioned them that they cannot make the first or they are a whore, plus the man has to prove he is confident and make her feel feminine but doing the work.
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>>70315147
feminism: "tear down all the societal gender roles and rules, except the ones that favor us"
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>>70315147
Because a girl can't tell a guy to like her enough to initiate. If she made first contact, then he would be unable to prove himself attracted enough to initiate. It ruins the attraction.
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>>70315333
fpbp /thread
Origamis
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>>70316311
>Women expect men to initiate when they are bombarded with mixed signals and that a woman being nice to you for the first time in years does not mean she is into you
I hate society and women.
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>>70315147
They do. I've only been confessed to and never did anything. It's just that guys are less shy, I guess.
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>>70316529
Kill yourself chad.
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>>70315147
according to fds, men do not respect a woman who asks men out first and view her as desperate
is this true moids?
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>>70316721
when i see a woman who has a clear interest and desire in someone and takes that first step, it means a hell of a lot more to me. That, or they've realized I'll never get a clue with their current advances.
Either way, not desperate, just determined.
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>foids won't ask you out first because they view that as "the man's job", and will refuse to do so
>you can't ask foids out first because they view any attempt to do so by a non-Chad as basically akin to rape
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>>70316721
Veronica was best girl get that Betty shit outta here
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>>70316721
I was asked out once by some girl in HS (we didn't do anything sexual). I accepted within the day because my dad told me accepting immediately is a sign of desperation and I believed him back then.
My parents thought she was ugly and kept trying to force me to break up with her, which I obviously didn't want to do and fought with them over it.
She turned out to be crazy anyways so it was all for nothing. She eventually left me over some stupid bullshit because she was BPD, and it turns out that she would date multiple guys over a short time period. I meant literally nothing to her.
So I dunno. I guess I'm just suspicious is all. It seems too good to be true, so it usually is too good to be true. If I was sure she had genuine intent then of course it's a good thing, but I can't be sure that it is anymore.
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>>70316745
Thankfully women also mentally breakdown in their late twenties when chad isnt giving them attention anymore.
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>>70315147
Women will take initiative at times, but even that usually limits itself to sneaky way of offering him the opportunity to do the work.
With the avg. guy nowadays trained to start throwing around free drinks and hump her leg over as much a hesitant smile out of her, it seldom ever goes to any stage where she has to start a conversation first, nevermind ask him out.
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>>70316721
>respecting women
Good luck with that in either case.
But I'd care more to get to know one who is not stuck at playing the usual "come hither and impress your princess" game.
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>>70316934
You wish. They still get plenty of attention up to their middle thrities.
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The true answer is that women have responsive sexuality. It activates only as a response to a man's desire.
There are women who have been mindraped by jewnists to do it other way, but since its highly unnatural, they will always remain in minority. If we don't hormonally modify our women of course.
So for a woman to take initiative you would first need to give her a very clear cue that you lust for her. Otherwise her desire is just not going to be strong enough for her to push through her own shyness and society s expectation of female passivity.
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>>70315147
>tfw normie
>every woman I have asked out has rejected me
>have only dated women that asked me out
I'm not sure where I fit in on the tier list. Very low normie maybe.
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Men and women of western society are playing the biggest, gayest form of chicken ever conceived and it's going to result in a lot more femboys and butch lesbians showing up from here.

Get comfortable.
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>>70315147
women want to rope when they experience life as an average guy, lesbians find it almost impossible to date until they reconcile with rejection, which most dont
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>>70318194
>Men and women of western society are playing the biggest, gayest form of chicken ever conceived
great description
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WoMeN dO JuSt NoT wItH YoU IncEl
so many normies tonight.
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>that fembot who CONSTANTLY chases on soc and r9k
>only to ghost them
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>>70315147
i've asked out plenty of guys. both of my exes i asked out first and 3 out of 8 of my hookups i initiated.
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>>70316721
depends on the moid
>moid who usually has to pull teeth for a women to talk
>"huh, wait someone likes me?"
>chad who hasnt put effort into anything in his entire life
>thinks youre desperate
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>>70315147
>women
>logical
so what level of autistic retard zoomer is this? i cant imagine still being this naive in the current year
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>>70318253
Like everything it's always mucked by this swamp. Your personal anecdotal moment is fine but by and large most women do not ask out most men and are still under the notion that men must chance them. It's great that there are women like you out there. Now let's make that a 50/50 ratio and as far as I care things ve all good.
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>>70318257
>"huh, wait someone likes me?"
And that's some how bad? Reminds me of that post where the girl freaked out when her bf broke down from a simple fucking hug. We are literally at that point now. Gotta love clown world.
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>expecting women to approach
>expecting women to be logical
yea, you dont understand female nature whatsoever. imagine unironically falling for the
>women are our equals
meme oh no no no ahahhahahahahhah
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>>70318234
this sounds like it's about me
>>70318257
well fds is intended for chad fishing so checks out i guess
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>>70316721
I'm fine if you approach me in person but I did feel disgusted when a girl admitted she had feelings for me over a text message. That might be a boomer issue though.
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>>70315994
gender roles for thee, but not for me is one of the few shared sentiments between most robots and feminists
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>>70318451
feminism is and has always been a shit test that is constantly failed by white men
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Because women created this system tht makes men think the ones that does take the first move are desperate and and wheoes and thats why women doesmt take the 1st move either that or women are a bunch of pussies with a pussy
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>>70315814
Yeah you played your part by existing. Congratulations. Golden star. God i LOVE AND RESPECT women so much
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Do any white people have any arranged marriage systems? I'd recommend it. I got an arranged marriage 8 years ago and before that, I was a turbo incel/robot. I'd have been an incel forever if I didn't let my parents find me a bride. I'm Yemeni though but I mean I'm also American
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Because women are pathetic pussies and we're ok with that for some reason. If you want things to change then stop being ok with it
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>>70318649
Chechens and Bosnians too
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>>70318285
I wish I could find it, but the worst I read was this women and her bf. Boyfriend was this big football player (not professional or ex footballer player) and had just lost his father. He went to see his gf and basically cried a lot and looked for her to console him (because you know, dad just died). She admitted to losing attraction because he couldn't see him as the big strong man he once was and broke up with him. If I remember correctly it was really shortly after, might have been while he was still grieving.
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>>70315147
My gf took the initiative and thats how we started dating. I asked but only after she led the convo we were having to that point and I realized she wanted me to. While I was the one who asked she was the one who took the risk in the situation imo
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>>70315147
>why do women not have a penis?
Some of them do. Also you can date a man
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>>70319031
penis=initiative?
explain
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>>70315147
everyone fears rejection but men are forced to take it unless the girl is cool. it's easy to accept a social role if it seems like the easiest thing to do. a lot of girls want to make the first move but fear that it makes them look weird, which is retarded but it isn't that deep. men fear the rejection too it isn't some schizo shit like this >>70315742
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>>70319045
Explain what exactly? The concept of gender predates human life. Why did you mention women if you didnt accept this?



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