>>83071271
i hate the modern world so much

>>83071271
I want to buy an antique because I saw the store owner being really into history but I'm super poor and people would judge for spending money like an idiot

>>83071350
>people would judge for spending money like an idiot

It's a lot dumber to buy a new iPhone every two years

>>83071271
Boomers made no attempt to keep these industries alive so it's their own fault.

You guys can start antiquing by getting this Michael Jackson owned clock

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/217492129_a-magnificent-french-louis-xvi-style-marble-and-gilt-pasadena-ca

>>83071271
Real furniture is a liability when you have to move around so much and also it's better for me to live minimally instead of crowded by heavy furniture. Knowing I can replace a shelf or table for 50 bucks instead of 500 means if I don't want it anymore means I can guilt free chuck it away

If quality furniture and knickknacks are your thing then that's okay OP. I would be open to owning something nice that I feel is important but a table is just a table. Everyone is dust anyway in a few years, what's the point of having a table that can last 200+ years when im dead in 60. I'd rather use my limited sentimentality on people than objects

>>83071555
i dont have money to buy an iphone either
im just really poor

>>83071611
one looks good and feels good and the other is trash that gets beat up immediately, one spilled drink and the shit veneer bubbles up, bump into a corner and whoops the MDF crumbles like parmesan.

>>83071271
half agree, NFTs are dead and digital art comissions will soon die cause of easy ai gens being better than 99.99% of 'artists', any restaurant that doesnt deliver will go out of business in like 20years, same with brown bars cause young ones dont drink
i guess i can see why ppl wont buy nice furniture if its impossible to own a house, if you have to rentshare with 2 other ppl you might as well get some ikea disposables

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>>83071611
>>83071649

I'm a furniture guy and I just find it really, really weird how zoomers are always foaming at the mouth about sustainability, responsibility etc. but then they literally treat furniture like they were single-use only.
Furniture was meant to be passed down from generation to generation.
A hardwood table literally lasts forever. I mean literally. Go to any auction house and you can find 200-year-old tables that are still sturdy and ready to go.

>>83071271
I love collectibles so much I collection glass in my nice display cabinet. You can get a great old display cabinet so cheap these days because people dont collection things like they used to. To be fair some people spend way too much collecting pokemon cards but really thats gambling more than actual collecting

>>83071666
Yeah but they are so heavy they aren't really something you want to have to travel with as a renter. The moment I own a house I will invest in good furniture

>>83071710
They also often can't be taken back apart for easy transport

>>83071666
the issue is that americans and their parents cannot live together due to dysfunction, the economy is shit, no one makes any money, and zoomers are out spending half their income on rent because their parents are psycopaths
its pretty messed up, im thankful everyday that i can at least live with mine and not suffer a ton of mental turmoil

>>83071666
same thing with clothes

so much muh microplastic talk and then they walk around in plastic crocs that shed plastic bits every time they scuff their feet against the ground

cant really ever make crocs look new again either unlike leather shoes

same with synthetic clothing vs cotton or wool... they literally hate the feeling of natural materials because its so unfamiliar to them. its sad.

of course the real culprit here is their genX parents who raised them like plastic bubble people. but anyway....its sad.

>>83071766
leather = animal cruelty!!!!!
cotton = black oppression reminder!!!!!!!
corpo microplastics = gud, responsible

>>83071666
>>83071777

I cant believe I scored both 666 and 777 in the same thread.
I should play lottery tonite

>>83071753
when i graduated in 2016, my coffee shop job paid $8...the same job pays $15 now, and places still cant hire as many people as they would like to. also, young people are living with their parents at the highest rate in like 50 years. what youre saying is literally just not true.

what IS the case is that we have a generation raised on essentially a hard digital drug -- the handscteen -- whose parents almost never recognized that this was a serious danger, many (most) of them being addicts themselves. like crack babies, people who grow up in a handscteen-poisoned environment are seriously debilitated in terms of attention, motivation, socialization, and longer-term planning.

recognize the scourge for what it is...the economy is middling if not good. boomers are the same as they ever were. the difference now is that handscteens (aka smartphones) are inescapable, and they have corroded most individuals and corroded society even for those who abstain from handscteen abuse themselves.

>>83071777
they dont really believe that stuff -- thats just the kind of excuse they turn to when they want to defend their preferences. they literally never just say "i like it," any preference for anything has to be "right" either based on some flimsy "justicey" reason or because some youtuber said its "goated." its really impossible to discuss anything with people who dont accept the idea of a subjective preference...which is probably why like none of them have friends, "normies" or otherwise.

>>83071271
People don't buy more solid and expensive furnishings because most of us are now rentcucks that don't know when we will have to move next. Solid furniture is for when you move into your forever home, mortgage and all. Doesn't help that more and more people are moving into apartments where it's a massive pain to get anything but flatpacks up the stairs or in the elevator.

>>83071805
economy is good? its about purchasing power, not the fictional numbers on the stock market devaluating your actual cash while everything gets more expensive

>>83071837
you have to separate lower-end from "middle class"...at the low end, wages for retail and foodservice have literally doubled in the last 10 years. i was in great barrington MA the other day and the dunkin donuts was hiring for $17 an hour starting.

at full time, thats 34k a year to work and dunkin donuts...in comparison, an entry level white collkar job might only pay 40k. it used to be that youd make 15k a year at dunkin or 40k with a "real job", but that gap has basically disappeared.

theres been some inflation of course, but its not outside normal -- prices of things havent doubled in the last ten years like low-end wage work pay has.

but middling-job white collar pay HAS been basically stagnant. these are the people who are feeling the squeeze -- accountabts, it gyys, basic office workers who are still making the same 40k while the price of everything goes up slowly around them.

BUT it sure is a great time to work at dunkin donuts...or to be a nurse. jobs where you actually have to do herd work pay WAY more now than they did 10 yrs ago. butt-sitting office jobs on the other hand have stagnated in pay and are increasingly hard to get.

if you want to call that a problem, i guess you could, but personally i never could stand butt-sitting office life so i dont really care, and really i think the people like nurses and dunkin donutters and walmart workers who now make 15-18 an hour everywhere are way more deserving of that growth.

>>83071271
Where the hell do you live?
Where I'm at, the antique stores are full of zoomettes all the time. They love that old timey shit.
>t. male antique appreciator

>>83071766
Plastic clothing feels better. Lighter, softer, lower friction, more flexible, dries quicker. Everything I wear against my skin has to be at least 50% plastic. I use cotton bedding though, because in that case the inflexibility and high friction is a feature (autist hugbox/retard squisher effect).

>>83071271
These threads are made by a millennial who let the boomer articles hurt his fee fees, now he needs to do it to zoomers

>>83071918
>gets anxiety attack without microplastics and corporate logos

They got u good

>>83071766
>they literally hate the feeling of natural materials because its so unfamiliar to them. its sad.
I like being able to clean my clothes without using tools invented in the 5th century BC and not waiting a financial year for them to dry

>>83071990
Logos on clothing are usually an anti-feature because the printing/embroidering has an inconsistent texture.

>>83071271
We can't afford a fucking house and you think we would be interested in antiques that will just be damaged from having to move every 2 years because the rent increased? Why don't you blame the jews at the federal reserve you fucking imbecile. Now their solution is increase mortgages from 30 years to 50 years which will just inflate prices even more.

>>83071271
>Everything you buy is digital. You spend the minimum amount on physical collectibles.
That's maybe true for some people, but physical has been making a comeback, not that it ever really went away.

Collectibles especially, not that funko pops should be left in anyone's inheritance, but it's something.

>>83071918
I can feel when clothing is plastic and it feels much worse against my skin. I have always felt this way. I try my best to avoid it because of how uncomfortable it feels.

>>83072041
Fuck physical media. I would rather just have a retroid for games and a nas for movies. What needs to be stopped is subscription services. If it weren't for women I wouldn't even have a bed I would just anchor a hammock into my studs. I hate moving shit.

>>83071692
Imagine walking into this guys house and he starts showing you his bong and pipe collection

>>83071777
>cotton = black oppression reminder!!!!!!!
thats not even a thing. shut the fuck up.

>>83071657
I just buy shit for $20-40/get free shit from facebook marketplace and then refinish it and throw it away when I move.

>>83071893
$17/hr is great if you live with your parents and are 19. But there is zero upward mobility. The middle class has been destroyed.

>>83072080
I'm 35 and that's how I see your generation
You just whine about everything and think everything is problematic
Meanwhile I fap to loli and am openly racist. Seethe. I come from a time where things were actually permitted

>>83072065
Nah I collect most small antique glass dishes,salt cellars(particularly shaped like animals),vases and bottles. I dont smoke and choose not to collect pipes although I do see them around. My collection is very carefully curated and contains only certain types of glass that have a good glossy shine on them

>>83071271
>It's rare for someone to have actual hardwood furniture which is weird.
Have you ever tried lifting and moving solid hardwood furniture? We live in a world where people can't afford to buy their own homes so they rent. In a rental society people are more likely to move places more often. Ikea furniture is easy to disassemble, pack and move. Alternatively many zoomers will live with their parents well into their adulthood, in which case buying furniture or collecting antiques is probably not something they will do much of.
>>83071567
Boomers are the only ones who are keeping these industries alive.

Gen X'er checking in, the piles of DVDs and comic books I hoarded in my 20's aren't doing me any favors either. Also the sofas with roses embroidered I got from grandma didn't stay at my apartment very long. I try to be honest about 'stuff': nobody else wants our junk.

>>83072137
Zoomers can't afford a graphics card or concert tickets let alone waste money on a fucking coffee table.

>>83071918
not all plastic is the same. knit acrylic for example is extremely tough, its basically woven fiberglass -- if you find "orlon" sweaters from the 50s-70s, theyre basically space age things that never show wear and are unstainable.

however the stuff that leggings, athleisure and "under armoury" clothes are made from just sucks balls. its not breathable, it fades and gets pilled up (linty) within a few wears, and for some reason it always picks up odors really badly. whenever you see those laundry detergent ads where someones like "why are my clothes smelly" this is usually the actual reason.

as i said, people have different preferences -- which is fine...but if youre gonna talk about microplastics all day, plastic clothes are a huge source of them. (i dont personally think microplastics are that big a deal -- sure theyre around forever, but thats basically because theyre inert little pebbles. its not that different from a bunch of tiny sand particles. hard to get rid of, but not really a problem.)

>>83071271
There isn't much middle ground for furniture in America. It's either shitty particle board garbage or ridiculously expensive top shelf stuff. I own a house so constantly moving isn't a factor. I'd fill my house with nice furniture if there was a happy medium between these two extremes. I splurged on a couple really big, nice desks I put together to make a huge L-shaped desk in my office where I work on one side and play vidya/shitpost on the other side. I was also given a really nice dining kitchen table + chairs as a gift. Besides that I just use the same Ikea slop for everything else.

>>83071271
it's not that people stopped liking luxury items, it's more than we can't afford it

>>83072130
You should collect something that appriciates and has function, like guns, guitars, tools. That's a bunch of tchotchkes like ceramic dolphins.

I own a desk by Francois Linke. Meanwhile zoomers cant afford a desktop computer or a restaurant meal.

And no I don't expect you to know French ebenistes from the 19th century. It's old money stuff

My life goal is to have a room full of Linke and Sormani furniture

>>83072177
I hate acrylic so fucking much

>>83072017
cotton clothing is completely normal in this regard if you have a regular washer and dryer. literally no idea what youre talking about. i heard europeans have weird wimpy washer/dryers that do basically nothing, so maybe youre euro.

however if thats the case, they arent cleaning your plastic clothes very well either, it just looks like they are on the surface...its very hard to clean within the fibers on tightly woven synthetic clothing, much harder than with cotton. this is why synthetic clothing tends to pick up odors that dont come out in the wash.

>>83072200
>My life goal is to have a room full of Linke and Sormani furniture
For me it's to have my own large cnc router, and full wood shop with a lathe, as well as laser engraver and make all my own furniture designed in a pirated copy of solid works.

>>83072112
the upward mobility is managing a dunkin donuts for 65k and then either opening your own coffee shop, buying a dunkin or other franchise license, or getting an mba and moving into the corporate side of dunkin.

your confusing two things -- money and status. they used to be mostly the same, but now, "lower status" jobs like managing a dunkin donuts often pay WAY more than "higher status" white collar office jobs where you dont have to get your hands dirty ever.

most people want "upward clean hands status" more than they actually want money -- this is why "white collar" jobs are increasingly hard to get, and why their wages are stagnant...there are basically 100 people who want an office job for every 1 who want to manage a chain store...yet managing the chain store pays better and has at least as much "money upside" in terms of moving up the chain of people who actually do things or opening your own place.

tldr -- money and status are often talked about like theyre the same thing, but they arent. its harder to get status now, but easier to get money.

>>83072205
it really depends on how exactly its produced and woven. if you ever find a 50s acrylic sweater, youll be shocked how different it is (better imo). a common brand is izod-lacoste, there are tons of izod-lacoste orlon sweaters on ebay from the 50s to 70s because theyre basically as good as new...if you do see one thats at all worn looking, you basically know someone wore it every day of their life for 20 yrs.

>>83072193
do you think people choose what to like?

>>83072210
I mean wools that can't be machine spun or heated without shrinking or falling apart. Those you have to cold hand wash and then dry (what's warm weather, lmao) outside which takes forever
t. love me wool socks but would never wear anything big and woolen

>>83072272
65k today is like 30k in 2012 despite what the cpi lies say

>>83072287
I just hate the way it feels on my skin

>>83071271
>my hobbies are uhhhh buying useless furniture!
Holy retard fuck off

>>83072222
Bro all you need is a chisel and a saw

>>83072272
>tell entire generations "go to college or else you'll end up flipping burgers your whole life" multiple times a day every single day of their formative years
>also see burger flipper jobs flooded with illegals and now on the AI/automation chopping block
>surprised nobody views flipping burgers as a viable career path and would rather do something else

>>83071271
>My grandfather ran an antiques store
Lmao he sounds like a faggot

>>83072193
Its not ceramic its GLASS its transparent coloured GLASS that is antique and was hand made by another person. Do I think i will get rich of it NO thats why its a hobby!! I spend what I can afford (only like $300-400 a year) on a few pieces a year and it brings me joy. Do they massively go up in value?I dont really check but not really. However they never massively loose value so in hard times I could sell (you cant do that with onlyfans or whatever) but yeah I dont have them as my savings and its not about that I have money for a rainy day aswell as having collectables

>>83072324
well yeah...you wear an undershirt under wool so you dont have to wash it unless you like fall in mud or something. a big wool sweater is basically like a jacket. also, there is dry cleaning...

I like shit old motorbikes, does that count?

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>>83071271
>arts
and what do you think the furry commissions are? thoughtless porn? thats how most of the paintings in todays museums started as well, its just the tooth of time randomly decided X is art and not kitsch
>antiques
some zoomers are spending grands on LEGOs and warhammer. different stuff, same principle
>furniture
nobody can afford to buy home. you really expect anyone to drop 2k on fancy chair when 60% of their income goes towards jewlord and next month they gonna get outpriced and turned to homeless? How will they lug the chair with them?

>>83072200
My life goal is to never be a big enough faggot to have a favorite French furniture maker

>>83072335
you can wear an undershirt of your preferred material and then whatever else youre wearing wont be on your skin. no one is supposed to wear any sweater without an undershirt...older style clothes were made with undershirts in mind.

>>83071271
You're an idiot. Chamonix house is going strong and is run by /our guy/ Nick from MDE

>>83072371
Spergy harder over your Precious Moments faggotron

>>83072371
My guns go pew pew and my guitars go twang.

>>83072348
office and tech jobs are in way worse danger from ai...and as far as "flooded with illegals" they still cant hire as many people as they want so its clearly not a problem.

look, its fine if you dont want to get your hands dirty. most people dont...but thats why it increasingly pays well if youre willing to. kinda basic supply and demand kind of thing.

>>83072389
I do that but with a pendleton wool sweater

>>83072395
are you seriously on 4chan trying to bully people for having hobbies you dont like?

if you are on this website you lose every right to bully anyone about anything forever lmao.

go piss in a potato pan otis

>>83072347
You don't understand the power of a cnc router

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>>83071766
is there a brand of leather shoes which are... actually good for walking? and i am not talking about walking from parking lot to your office. i talk about high speed 10 kilometers daily walking through walkable city aka hard surface.

all the boomer shoes from leather i see have laughtable thin profile, wont work well in snow or rain, wont work well in summer either and their ergonomics are questionable. on prom night i tried to walk in them home and it was torture.

is there a boomer type of leather shoes actually for walking?

anyway i love cotton and bamboo. my undies and socks are from bamboo and everything else is usually cotton, fleece polyester if i actually want to be warm.

>>83072466
For hard surfaces you want a vibram christy.

>>83072402
It doesn't pay well. You would have an argument for something like HVAC or electrician or plumbing work. But fucking retail or food service? Come on, they'll hire you part time so you have no insurance and pay $17/hr. You can't afford rent and food on that unless you live in a pod and eat goygruel

>>83072080
No most zoomers really do seethe over cotton. God I hate being over 30 but it's okay though because I still look like I'm 20
>>83072200
I hate these stupid little fucks. Going to have a big meal at my favorite italian place tonight to stick it to the zoomies.
>>83071666
Why do zoomers buy ikea furniture so much it's so hypocritical.

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>>83072491
A comparable sole off the rack that is affordable is just 875s.

>>83072520
>Why do zoomers buy ikea furniture so much it's so hypocritical.
Flat pack shit is easy to get into your car and assemble at home. You don't need to rent a van just to pick up a solid wood bedside table

>>83071666
corporate sustainability, responsibility, etc is about getting your customer to keep consooming from YOU and keep feeling good about it. that's literally all it is.

>>83071271
A pretty significant proportion of zoomers enjoy thrifting in my experience. They don't know what the fuck they're doing most of the time, but they still blow their parents' $$$$ on physical old shit.

>>83072080
>didn't see the viral video of a nigress freaking out about balls of cotton for sale in a Walgreens and literally ripping them off the wall because muh slavery

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>>83072550
Gotta put a luggage rack on your miata bro

>>83072520
>No most zoomers really do seethe over cotton.
Not a zoomer but I do seethe over cotton, only for its physical properties. I only buy wool/plastic clothes now.
>God I hate being over 30 but it's okay though because I still look like I'm 20
Are you me?

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>>83072602
>no linen or hemp
>wearing plastic

>>83072424
>are you seriously on 4chan trying to bully people for having hobbies you dont like?
This is what happens when you are too weak to form your own identity and personality so you have to purchase a shallow copy of one off a shelf. Literally any percieved attack, no matter how minor, will trigger this spergout. Even the implication that other people might like different things than you like will trigger it.

>>83071271
you cant hoard when you dont own the place you live in
nothing feels stable so why would i buy furniture when
1. i wont have enough space for it when i move
2. it will break down when moving

>>83072177
>it always picks up odors really badly
That's the polyester. The stuff is highly hydrophobic so it holds onto the oils and lipids in human sweat really well and lets it rot, on top of not allowing the moisture (water) in sweat escape through. Both of these combined turn it into a breeding ground for bacteria, which is where the smell comes from.

nobody can afford a house much less permanent furniture

>>83072512
NTA but unless you own the business then trades have dog shit pay too.

t. know friends who went in to the trades but were paid way less than my office gig and have broken bodies to show for it in their 30s yet have the broken body of a 70 year old.

>>83072634
It's like this with every consumer hobby. Instead of blowing glass I just purchase bric-a-brac. Instead of writing I only read books. Instead of making music I listen to it. Instead of making furniture I purchase it. Hobby may as well be watching tv.

>>83072193
If you want to own assets for the purpose of investment, you are likely better off on the stock market than with physical items that often don't appreciate as much and can't usually be stored and liquidated in sufficient quantity to make you rich since they are physical items, unlike "virtual" stocks.

>>83071666
>I'm a furniture guy
ok
>really weird how zoomers
obsessed
>Furniture was meant to be passed down from generation to generation.
we are not having sex or kids on average brother
>A hardwood table literally lasts forever
ok and? I can't move this fatass piece of furniture everywhere I go, I've had to move damn near 15 times in the past 6 years coast to coast for work, financial reasons etc.
there is no stability because the previous generations ruined the game for quick thrills, greed and because their women asked them to we are just surviving in the world they dropped us in so fuck the furniture man.

>>83072726
Guns go bang bang and guitars go twang twang. They have function unlike a tchotchke.

>>83072708
Antique collecting should be on the better end of this spectrum since it brings you out into the real world to acquire items and you would have to do research on them to find out why they're special and their connection to real world events (history). Thing is, most people don't even do the latter.

>>83072742
Great, I don't care since that is irrelevent to the purposes of investing. I don't care about the things you like, autist. Seethe.

>>83072757
Well you ignored the function aspect of my statement. Things should do something, have a use. Otherwise it's just fucking clutter, it's shit. It's shit you have to take around with you. Nothing feels better than throwing things away.

>>83072772
I was focused on the "appreciation" aspect. PS: guns are useless in civilized society and are already considered highly suspicious to posses. They will be done away with within a generation, so you'll feel great since you'll get to throw all of yours away soon enough.

>>83072784
If an actual disaster ever happens, people like me are going to eat people like you.

>>83072799
PROTIP: it's not. More likely than not, you get uppity, a normal person like me squeals to the cops about you and your guns, then WEE WOO WEE WOO, faggot.

My lawyers >>>> your guns
Social warfare is the new meta. Get with the times, old man!

>>83072799
i love it when a minor catastrophe happens in a major city and people start looting and shit and noguns get shot
or when they get shot by thugs etc
cracks me up everytime

>>83072811
anon said disaster, sorry anon phones are down, power is out, they're not coming, how do you stop anon from killing you

>>83072811
Call your lawyer when a major solar flare hits, or yellowstone errupts, or the dollar finishes collapsing, or israel presses the sampson button

>>83072825
Not happening outside of random 3rd world shitholes. Seriously, we've had nothing approaching this magnitude in over a generation, and nobody sane wants this to happen since life is unironically too good rn.

Even the great #woke protests of 2020 wouldn't qualify considering the internet was still up because all parties involved were livestreaming their antics.

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>>83072811
brother do you know the average time for cops to get on a scene? like 15 mins AFTER you call the dispatch and more and more cities police departments are understaffed.
whats your lawyer gonna do? fight him like that one scene in Metalocalypse?
have you seen actual shootings and the speed and violence unarmed people can be shot and killed? or even just a knife?
lol, lmao even im not even a guntard and this is just general knowledge

>>83072649
God I hated when I worked a retail job and they switched to a polyester shirt from a cotton one for the uniforms. I was the only dude on staff most of the time, so I got stuck doing all the heavy lifting and manual labor stuff, so I'd just be sweating all the time. After like three shifts, all of my shirts were just forever ruined despite heavily washing them. I could smell the stank from the shirt after like an hour of wearing it and it would piss me off. I started keeping a scented dryer sheet in my pocket so I could just rub it over myself real quick whenever I'd need a freshen up.

>>83072845
Most people aren't going to be victims of violent crime since it's really fucking rare unless you live in the ghetto in an actual shithole state.

Having a collection of guns is a net negative. You are more unsafe having them around, both due to increased risk of physical accidents and suicide and social risk of getting the cops called on you by some nervous bystander. I don't make the rules. I don't even enforce them. I just tell it how it is.

>>83072871
>afraid he'll kill himself if he owned a gun
This is what it always boils down to.

>>83072859
I had a poly uniform once and I just wore cotton under it to keep it from touching my skin. I just hate the way it feels, it feels fucking horrible.

>>83072871
you need like one gun and it will be a small one like a glock or a cute little walther.
If you are a distinguished gentleman who has worshipped at the altar of john woo you'll get a berretta.
I have one OTHER gun and that's it I have no other interest in guns MAYBE i'll rent some guns at a range if im feeling curious
you don't need a deluge of guns you're being obtuse.
If someone wants to kill themselves and has the means to do it...good? fuck this clown ass world anyway
keep your gun/guns to yourself, don't go parading them around, buy one cute little gun for protection just in case and there you go.

>>83072634
You suggested people should buy collectables as an investment instead of just a hobby even though that isnt a great financial decision then get mad some people enjoy things passively. I like to learn about techniques used to dye and manipulate glass. I enjoy learning about things like the history of dyes etc it legitimately brings me joy and no its not part of my "identity" because im not so insecure I can only enjoy things for other people. I have autism yes but why would I prevent myself from doing stuff that makes me happy.
>>83072708
By your logic learning anything that isnt put into practice is dumb but why cant people just do stuff for fun like learning about history etc. Your just a negative looser who seems to be sperging out a lot more than me I've only sent 2 replys

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>>83072919
My next gun needs to fit in a backpack. I already have an underfolding ak but the barrel sticks out of the top of normal backpacks. This little babby also has mag holders in the stock and is only $600. Collapsed length is only 16 3/8th inches.

>>83072890
I tried that a few times but I live in a place that's triple digits most of the year, so any extra layers just made me sweat even more and get overheated. Most of my work had to be done outside because there wasn't enough space otherwise. I didn't get to be sitting in the air conditioning like all the women did where they then bitched about being cold all the time.

>>83072940
>do stuff for fun like learning about history
You consider watching ken burns or reading germs and steel a hobby? It's just watching tv and reading, a leisure activity not a hobby

>>83072955
I did this in phoenix but I was working overnights. I hate polyesther so much it's unreal

>>83072963
A hobby is literally a leasure activity its not a side hustle

>>83071271
if the middle class ever becomes rich again like in boomers time it'll probably come back

>>83072973
A hobby is woodworking or rebuilding cars to then take to the track. A hobby is creative or functional and involves the development of a skill. Piano is a hobby. Listening to bill evans is not a hobby.

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>>83071271
My dad pawned off our family dining table and accompanying furniture that had been in the family for over 150 years because he wanted cash and a modem ikea shit.

The closer 2030 gets the meme about not owning anything feels more and more real

>>83072971
>I did this in phoenix
Ah then you know my pain. Fuck polyester

>>83072963
You know theres non violent history like the history of medicine etc

>>83072991
Boomers are a special breed of self absorbed.

>>83073001
>average midwit doesnt know theres more to history than battles in documentary
why even bother with them anon?

>>83073001
Quiet typhoid mary, plumbing and waste management mattered more than medicine ever did

jeets will still buy your stuff OP so they can flip it somewhere if you didn't know how much it actually was lol

>>83073014
Without googling, tell me about wileys poison squad

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>>83073065
Saaar will you agsebt $5 for de chable?

>>83072882
You ignoring the whole "nervous bystander" bit? Let me clue you in on something: Red Flag Laws
As of last Tuesday yet another state (Maine) has enacted them, so if anything your risk is even higher than before.

>>83073014
It gets worse than that. The average person walking around outside can't even tell you approximately when WW2 happened. They also believe stupid shit like America fought Japan in the Vietnam War.

The historical field in general is even more of a self-parody at this point than it ever was. When I was growing up, boomers were already deriding it as the useless degree for over-educated, permanently indebted baristas. Then when I was in school it somehow degenerated even further into either clowns that believed ancient scandanavia was akshully wakanda or chudjak.png using it as a thin veneer for BILLIONS MUST DIE; hell chudface poorly regurgitating youtube historical infotainment slop is usually most kids' first exposure to the field now, not even the fucking history channel which is now on aliens ffs or the local school district's post no crack babby left behind/common core gangraped version of "history class".

In the present, it's dangerous to even admit to remembering events that happened more than 2 weeks (a news cycle) ago. I really doubt there colleges will even offer history classes within the next 20-30 years. Hell, the last history major has already been born and is probably going through elementary school right now. It's an open question whether they'll even graduate with the degree or if it will be yoinked while they're still in.

>>83073091
Good thing republicans don't send themselves to psych wards then huh. The only people who will be affected by that are people with shrinks (liberals) and people with misdemeanors

>>83073107
You can't learn HIStory because it all about white males when we gonna have WEMstory

>>83073111
Do you even know what a red flag law entails, you fucking retard? It's literally legalized SWATting by anyone with sufficient motivation and a court that will rubber stamp the order since it's an """emergency""". They will literally kick in your door and search your home and seize anything that can be used as evidence against you.

And even if you "win", you're still out court costs, time, not to mention depreciation of assets from improper storage in the police evidence locker, assuming you even get all your guns back. And good luck ever getting a job or any contacts ever again since you will be in the local news with the "potential mass shooter" label next to your crying mugshot and a loot spread photo of all your spicy belongings, so you won't even be able to afford new guns or hell, repairs to your house.

>>83073010
It's crazy to me how one generation fucked up the entire worlds economy but at the same time also plans to burn away all their wealth and assets to leave NOTHING to their children and grandchildren

>>83073144
Sorry but I can't be a mass shooter, I'm not trans

>>83072210
Plastic is hydrophobic so it keeps dirt away better and is easier to clean most of the time. It can aquire unwashable smell over time, but cotton would do same much faster.

>>83073154
Better hope your boomer parents/grandparents die suddenly of a heart attack before all their assets are pried away by cruises and reverse mortgages and nursing homes. Of course there's always the possibility their will just leaves everything to some Jew/groid-loving church or charity.

>>83073193
Cotton does not stink like poly does anon. Everybody knows that.

>>83073066
something to do with coca cola and cocaine or sum shit i'm probably wrong who fucking cares.
Obviously im not gonna know every tidbit in history but the average "history nerd" doesnt even study etymology or how the people travelled and lived their live or the philosophies they adhered to.
just war war war war.
fuck off.
I'm studying the history of legalism and documentations of writings from scholars like Zhaung Zi through out the history of China because it came up in my geology class.

>>83073154
I EARNED IT. I worked hard. It has nothing to do with going off the gold standard and having my assets artifically appreciate via keynesian fiat. Mah house cost me $80k and it's $500k now I may as well spend it. When I was your age I was maling $15k/yr ($180k adjusted for real inflation not cpi lies) and you're complaining about starting at $35k??? Y'alls generation is just lazy

>>83073244
It was the first lethal dosage testing done and a major event in the history of medicine. They specifically focused on food additives like preservatives and just fucking poisoned volenteers who got free room and board plus some money. Kind of like in patient drug trials we do today. My point is I know plenty of history but I don't consider my consumption of media on history a fucking hobby. It's entertainment.

This is mainly because people can't afford to spend extra money on finely crafted goods. This craftsmanship means the price is higher. There is only a demand for cheap, practical goods in this current economy.

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>>83072466
its a bit older than boomer, but sandals...if im gonna be walking over 5-10 miles i wear sandals and socks unless its going to be wet. doesnt matter if its winter or summer really. i mean it probably wouldnt work for like a winter in norway but im near nyc and its fine all year.

i posted picrel to be goofy but what i actually have is a somewhat vintage pair of nike ACG sandals. comfy, rugged, etc, really excellent.

the nike acg sandals have a rugged rubber sole, but i dont often wear leather shoes myself, i was just talking about ppl that rant about microplastics and then hypocritically wear all plastic themselves. i dont actually think microplastics are a big deal, theyre pretty inert. pharmaceuticals in the water stream are a much bigger problem in that vein, theyre almost as persistent as microplastics but theyre actually designed to have various effects on the body. (turning the frogs gay is real. well not gay but infertile and sexually amorphous.)

>>83072512
i used to live in pittsburgh making $1000 a month (at $8 an hr) and paying $500/mo rent (splitting a 2bdr). wasnt saving much but it was fine.

that same job pays $15 now, and the rent in pittsburgh (in south oakland) is....
.the fucking same. its a neighborhood right in the middle of the city, next to colleges and an enormous park. go look on zillow -- there are plenty of studios and 1bdrs in the 15213 zip code for under $1000 and even under $900.

if you live somewhere where rent is ridiculous, your options are either to move or to deal with it. if you dont want to move, well, thats why rent is expensive there...too many people like you want to live where you live.

>>83073014
Yeah dont know why I bother to argue with someone so stupid they think no one else should learn anything either

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heres the 2 charts that shut everyone up about muh economy

#1 here shows that incomes are higher than ever relative to necessary expenses in america, and yes its adjusted for inflation and every damn thing. this accounts for rent, utilities, groceries, etc etc etc.

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chart #2 shows the problem -- consumer expenditure on things OTHER THAN necessities is ALSO higher than ever.

people are literally just spending money on things they dont need. statistically, this is the hard truth.

now again, its not peoples "fault" -- i think phone addiction has fried peoples brains so hard that they dont know up from down and they spend money without thinking about it and might not even remember doing so.

(also please note these charts are only about america, if you live in europe then you really are fucked by boomers pretty much...their retirement and pension pay and employment laws have made your economies stagnant and frankly shite for young people. but in america? people have more money after expenses than ever, theyre just blowing it worse than ever.)

>>83073248
I had an uncle who used to be this until he lost his job and tried getting a minimum wage job only to be stuck in the same song and dance as the rest of us

It's easy to have a hardwood table when you buy a house at 22 with your high school diploma and union factory job and live there until you sell it for 15x more to move to Florida.

>>83073413
So where do you live now, and what do you do for work to afford food and rent? I'm guessing your useless ass got priced out of pittsburgh too, not that I'm all that surprised because it's been getting really gentrified by people of means forcing the poors out.

>>83073270
what? i was agreeing with you what do you mean
I was talking about that other anon being midwit.
Reading, history and consumption of stuff containing that is 100% a hobby don't let anyone tell you its not

>>83071611
Buying furniture without owning a house makes no sense, I'm sure we all understand that.

>>83073804
Yeah a hobby isnt about being productive but even if it was learning is a great way to keep yourself cognisant which is a good skill for life that guy was just yapping

>>83073969
it's really fucking annoying that we have fudd retards gatekeeping what a hobby is now
I can't wait for all boomers, xoomers and select groups of millenials to die out/get raped in a nursing home/kill themselves

>>83073530
Can't imagine it's anything more than retail mcwagie tier bullshit and he probably lives in an actual crack den in the ghetto lmao.

>>83071271
Have you actually talked to a zoomer. Most fucking love antiques and anything vintage. It was millenials tearing down houses and renovating them into grey soulless boxes.

>>83073804
I am that other anon, obviously

>>83074202
Depends where you are. In a vintage market or a thirft store, of course. Anywhere else? About the same hit rate as any other generation. As a matter of fact, saying you collect antiques is a signal that you have more of something (money) than they do, so it is more likely they will attack you out of spite and jealousy with a thin veneer of populist politics so they get their fix of self-righteous dopamine

>>83073969
For me learning is just entertainment. Another on that annoys me is people who act like working out is some huge thing when it is just basic personal hygeine.

>>83074234
>basic personal hygeine
how is working out hygeine?
You realize there's different methods to training your body for different areas of life.
I swear this is the most obese american take i've read in my life

>>83073441
>>83073461
OK and? How does that refute the main point that people literally do not have enough money to spend on hobbies your autism approve of because they spend money on other things?

>>83071271
any zoomers are into this, i for one am into antiquities. I collect many weird things because i think they are cute, and many people have the same mindset. So i dont think all hope is lost.

>>83074436
Bud, people not liking things you like doesn't mean you're getting genocided and the west has fallen. Get a fucking grip.

>>83074285
It's basic personal hygenine to do resistance, cardio, and flexibility training. It's just body maintenence, hygeine, like bathing or brushing your teeth

>>83074970
and advanced training methods(lifting, martial arts, water sports, track)
Are a hobby even regular "maintenance" can be made fun and into a hobby stop being obtuse because you want to be a contrarian.

>>83074970
Idk cardio id agree with but resistance training just isnt necessary for a lot of people for their daily tasks or general health. Your body gets strong enough for most things by doing everyday activities calling doing additional resistance training "basic hygiene" is a massive stretch in my opinion.

>>83075057
Yeah to me a hobby is anything you do in your leisure time for fun yeah watching TV is a RUBBISH hobby but id still say it is its just a boring one

>>83075083
Resistance training is the most important one for people over 50 when you begin really deteriorating.

>>83071350
>Has desires
>Does not act on them out of fear of judgement even thought acting on them would make him happy
Well now you've got an anonymous man on the internet judging you. I wonder which weights more.

>>83075193
>just consume the product goyim

>>83075057
Competitions are, sure. But regular exercise is not. It's just personal hygeine to do weights, swimming/running, stretching/yoga, and sauna.

>>83075207
Yes, because antiques are a mass produced commodity that the media machine is well known for coercing people into purchasing through advertisements.

Silence. Your takes are bad and you should feel bad.

>>83075193
He's not wrong. Conspicuous spending is taken as a form of showboating, which pisses people off and motivates them to attack you. It's even more dangerous in this day and age considering how everyone's into grievance-based populist thought now.

>>83075294
>REEEEEEEEE HOW DARE PEOPLE BUY THINGS I DON'T LIKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>83075294
Oy vey maybe I could perhaps pay some senile greiving widow for her stuff maybe just take it off her hands for a little downsizing perhaps sell it for 10x what I paid maybe

>>83075352
Realtalk: entitled faggots like this are probably one of your greatest dangers if you're in the antiques/vintage resale business and excellent reasons to operate from a PO Box mailing address.

>>83075327
Well now you're just being a flip flop contrarian, at least pick a side on the damn court fail troll.

>>83075309
So what? Let them attack. Are you really going to hold yourself hostage in a grey fluorescent lighted cube just to not offend a bunch of low class retards? Be a fucking man and buy what makes you happy. Your money and how you expend it is an extension of your will. If you want to decorate your shitty apartment with rare artifacts from the dick sucking era then fucking go for it. If someone kills you for it at least you died doing something that mattered to you. Fuck other people, fuck what they "think," do something meaningful to you, don't let them steal your fucking will. It actually pisses me off so much that you zoomers would allow yourself to be cucked by some gay panopticon that hates you and will never take care of you.

>>83075380
Well she didn't need it, she needed help with the downsizing to the rest home and this you know saved her money on the movers and storage unit I mean I actually did her a favor why wouldn't I deserve to make a little profit it's a win win situation plus she wanted to have some iced tea and some company for a while god forbid her son ever calls her and yes I got the inlayed chest and the 60s era dining set sure but she doesn't have a truck and jeremy doesn't have room in his one bedroom apartment anyway why not

>>83075382
I happen to enjoy having a job that allows me to pay to live and occasionally afford nice things. Pissing people off is how you end up losing that and worse. There are a shitton of ways the poors can ruin your life that are cheap for them to do, but would require multiple 6-figure sums PLUS lawyers for you to clean up.

Even the actual richpipo you wannabe have gotten wise to that considering the whole "quiet luxury" trend over the past 5 years since it turns out stirring up shit for no/stupid reasons is a good way to make yourself hated and poor really fucking fast.

>>83075406
How socially retarded are you that you think this would convince a mob of agitated retards not to lynch yo. Hell, how is it possible to unironically believe you can debate your way out of takedown?

>>83075427
Whoa whoa whoa cool it with the antisemitism it would be a shame if you were debanked

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>>83075410
You don't understand, they're going to kill you no matter what. All eat the rich means is "kill anyone who has more than me."

Most people don't/cant have shit. This is all pre communist mindset. They're going to kill you if you have a pen and they only have a pencil. It literally doesn't matter. Live how you like, die happy. The alternative is contorting yourself into a smaller and smaller cage until even your thoughts are governed by others.

Learn to say enough is enough.

>>83075485
America is not quite at the literal killing stage yet, though I won't deny that we're fucking close. That said, why would you want to expedite the process? That's just fucking dumb.

>>83075485
Can't you just do whatever makes you happy on your own time, away from other people? You know, now conspicuously consume and rub in their faces how much """better""" you are than them?

I would actually argue that a poor person blowing money on stupid shit is an even worse tactical decision since not only do you trigger the attack, but you now have even less resources (MONEY) to counter it.

>>83072125
so basically you make shit up in your head that doesn't actually happen and everyone is supposed to take your made up daydreaming seriously? like I said shut the fuck up. also I'm 32 and you sound like a sad lonely creep.
>>83072569
woah a single video of a random retarded nigger, surely that represents a movement.

>>83075485
They're not going to kill me first because they'll fuck over some other retard that failed to do basic risk management this is what zoomers call "reading the room" btw which will give me enough early warning to GTFO of dodge. You don't have to be the fastest runner, just faster than the slowest fatass.

>>83075531
Protip: just take cash advances and max out your credit, buy bitcoin, then declare bankruptcy

They don't want you to know you never have to pay them back!

>>83075553
Protip: You will go to jail forever for doing that

>>83075553
Bitcoin is highly traceable. They can and will seize it. Crypto isn't the "safe harbor" everyone thought it was ~10 years ago.

>>83075564
There is no private debtors prison in america retard, the only risk of debtors prison is when you refuse to let the irs steal from you

>>83075568
Ok rabbi, take the key from me

>>83075585
You aren't going to prison for being a debtor, you're going to prison for committing fraud. Lying about your assets during bankruptcy is illegal and punishable with jail time.

>>83075600
They aren't my assets, they were purchased with a series of visa giftcards purchased in cash idk who those belong to and the last ip that accessed the wallet was in israel

>>83075619
Better than this is to just say you bought drugs with the cash advances then check yourself into a rehab to seal the sale

>>83075619
Ok well try that in court if you want but the banks will rape you and the judge will let them

>>83071271
nigger do you think i can afford antiques? i am barely alive
fucking retard

>>83075635
Sowwy but I got caught up in fentanyl oopsie woopsie i spent it aww on dwugs hope you don't take my flash drive that I burried and recover the private key

>>83075672
Sowwy but now you in jail for 10 years also bankruptcy denied you owes lotsa moneys foweva

>>83075687
Oh no I'm definately going to pay ;^) uh oh I signed up for welfare and disability instead because I'm a poor sad drug addict

>>83075523
To not live like a slave. That's what it means to have class. If you throw away your individuality, wants, needs, small desires just to survive, what is left of you? Nothing. You become the same as them. Look at the Russian people who survived the soviet experiment. The shame they bare for the deeds committed shows in their behavior even now. If I must die for being a "kulak" then I shall die as one, while your bowing kneeling progeny lives on in abject shame, apologizing on billboards to Tzars who will never return. We all make choices. We may not choose how we die, but we may choose how we live. I think it is more dumb to live as a slave.
>>83075531
Can't you just do whatever makes you happy on your own time, away from other people?
I do. But some things cant be hidden by their nature. (fast cars, motorcycles etc.)

>You know, now conspicuously consume and rub in their faces how much """better""" you are than them?
You do understand that the antique collector will eventually have someone over to his home, and they will see the silly objects and no amount of faux humbleness will hide his taste. Or how much "better than them" he thinks he is by owning such things. Even if he doesn't think of things in such a way.
>I would actually argue that a poor person blowing money on stupid shit is an even worse tactical decision since not only do you trigger the attack, but you now have even less resources (MONEY) to counter it.
You're only concerned with your survival. Like an animal. You're already dead in this scenario. You keep thinking you will survive and scrape by and hide your true self, but it will shine through and they will devour you no matter what. Though based on the practicality of your words I think you'll blend in with them just fine.
>>83075552
There is nowhere to run in the technopanopticon. You're deluding yourself. Maybe you'll find a way. But if you had, you wouldnt even be here, you'd already be out doing it.
I'm really surprised at youall

>>83075723
The economy is so rigged from top to bottom this is the most moral thing to do. Scam the banks, be a tax net negative

>>83075772
You realize they won't just kill immediately? Angry mobs tend to torture, proportionate to how much you pissed them off. Happens all the time in actual shithole countries, especially the USSR during the time you described.

And you realize that there are a lot more ways to conspicuously consume than buying fancy things for your home? Talking about them, or hell, simply having someone witness you purchasing [item] is already a tell.

>>83073413
>>83073441
>>83073461
I think I remember this faggot. He was outed as a total fucking failure in every sense of the word last year. Same all-lowercase typing style, pseudo-intellectual babbling, and even admitted to living in the same city at one point.

>>83076055
Lowercase opinions should always be disregarded.

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>>83076089
He's a lot worse than you think. Last year, he was trying to convince anons to do everything possible to look suspicious to the police in the name of "luvvvv urself!!!!!" He also tried to turn Chris MOTHERFUCKING Chan into a martyr for autism rights.

Pic related.

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>>83076133
jfc this is like the /r9k/ version of pic

>>83071567
if anything they actively gatekept them

>>83071567
This.
They didn't pull themselves up by their bootstraps hard enough, obviously.

>>83072520
I hate boomers and their blue jeans.

>>83076133
>exposing his autistic crossdressing uncle
lol

>>83072784
>muh civilized society
You're an actual faggot.

>>83073804
>consuming stuff is a hobby
Wow, my hobby is watching tv!

>>83075057
if you do martial arts you say "my hobby is practicing martial arts" you don't say "i go to the gym" Playing basketball is a hobby. Going to the gym is personal hygiene.

I think you are either ESL or intentionally trying to be mad.

>>83072708
Holy shit is this why they make you paint the warhammer figurines? Did they know it couldn't be considered just a board game and would become a hobby if some artistic skill and practice is required?

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Many years have passed, since those summer days, when we walked in fields of gold.

>>83077752
Board games can be a hobby

>>83076932
Square on the money. This is commonly seen in trades along with the arts.

>>83076133
He failed out of being a chemist and now he fancies himself an economics expert? lol, lmao even.

>>83076089
i disregard my cum in your mom's cooter every night

>>83071271
>Current gen people spend their money on digital goods:
There are people with funk pop collections and paying hundreds/thousands for sealed figurines or Nintendo games.
But yeah. Big factor people and poor and don't have their own houses (median first buyr is like 40?). Where are they foona store collection and pay with what?

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what. why the fuck would antique stores die. i got antiqueing with my mom because im a loser, and im shocked at how many young people are both in there, and actually fucking getting antiques. its fucking weird to me. like 20 year olds with broccoli haircuts and a pikachu tattoo on their arm going "hmmm yes my 9/10 gf look at this 18th century vase, we shall get this". mind you it seem like these are all young trustfund babies and not actually regular zoomers or whatever, but i actually feel (even more) alienated when i enter an antique store and im not the youngest person.

i MISS when the owner of the place would periodically appear "on the other side of the room im in to totally dust that one bowl and was definitely not checking if i was shoplifting". now im no longer the concerning looking guy in here? the fuck?

>>83073111
get a load of this guy.
it just takes one nasty ex to gaslight ANY relative of yours into this and the cops will come knocking at your door to seize your shit

>>83079629
>porrasturvat
yea man; you're old.

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>>83071271
>It's rare for someone to have actual hardwood furniture which is weird

It's the economy, idiot. Boomers had niche trades and could afford hardwood furniture? Yeah because they had a shit ton of buying power.