How do you feel about AI in general?
>>83081715universe trying to get whores to cancel their subscription
>>83081715I think it's useful and kinda neat but I'm also very annoying at the damage it's caused to the computer hardware market. I also find the discourse around it frustrating. Lots of dooming, grifting and silly outrage.
It's shit. I don't want singularity I want the vastly superior joy of communion with the creativity of our species.
>>83081715It got stale pretty quickly. At first I loved messing around with it, but now I think it's boring and has made me value human made art even more
>>83081715Makes me hate trannies and jeets even more since they're the userbase and it makes me hope all kikes die of ass cancer since they're the hellspawn that bribed and shilled their way into creating this time wasting garbage.
it's going to make Minority Report real which will really be a drag
It renewed my hope in life and made me want to continue life
>>83081715AI art and entertainment is somehow worse than the shittiest slop from Disney and other conglomerates and is unwatchable. If your art was so derivative and low effort that you're getting btfo by early stage AI, you were never going to make it anyway.
>>83081715I'm quite cynical and doubtful about its effects on various aspects of human interaction and creativity but I'm not inherently opposed to it on a genetic level the way many appear to be. I'm fairly anti-AI, just not vehemently so. It's only because most people tend to use it as an intellectual crutch in a way that harms their work, or because of the potential for misuse & nefarious implementation it creates. But if I see art that I genuinely like and learn that AI was involved in some part of its creation, I'm not immediately going to change my opinion on the art just based on that alone. Although, most of the time, implementation of AI results in bad art anyway.
>>83081715i talk to ai because i have no real friends
>>83081715It's way dumber than they claim it is. It's basically an advanced search engine for Reddit comment threads which occasionally yields good results. My opinion on it for art? Artists are fucking insufferable cunts and if glossy mass produced images are enough to kill their career or passion then so be it. Art should be good on its merit as a work, not on its lack of competing images.
I've never seen anything good come from AI. The only tangible contributions I've seen so far have been overwhelmingly negative. All it's done so far is make the internet way shittier which is a real shame because we've never had anything like it in human history, and it's incentivized the further atomization of society through decreased social interaction supplemented by your sycophantic (and compulsively lying) pocket computer. I can't even talk to my friends or family anymore because whenever we reach a disagreement on anything the very first thing they do is pull out their phones and ask ChatGPT for answers, and then ChatGPT pretty much only agrees with what it thinks they want to hear and offers input that is often wrong and lacking in nuance. But people are so used to thinking computers can't be wrong that they take whatever ChatGPT says as gospel.So someone could say "The sky is blue, dumbass," and if you respond with, "Well that's not always true. It's blue most of the time but sometimes it's yellow, orange, red or even green depending on the context," and they'll put their hand up in your face and ask ChatGPT something like, "What color is the sky? One word only please," and it'll say, "Blue," and they'll be like, "See? You fucking idiot. You absolute fucking dunce."
>>83082183the scenario you imagined is pretty fucking based though
>>83082195Yeah it's a lot of fun to want to hear someone's opinions and instead end up arguing with their phone while they act as a passive medium through which you do so. I love the future. I love the future!!!!!!!!!!
>>83081715AI doesn't really do new stuff well anyway, it gets fed whatever and spits out that in variations, but if you want very specific things it doesn't really give you that.At least that's my experience when using those AI generators online. And we are talking about information side of it - it's flawed as much or the same as general information on the internet is. So if it gets fed bullshit you will get bullshit so you basically have to fact check anyway.
>>83081715AI art will be responsible for a new dawn in real art because it will decouple art from profit culture.It'll be impossible to make a living as an artist so the only people left will do it because they want to.
>>83081715It has its uses for entertainment, but it shouldn't be used as an objective source of information as it is often incorrect in its current state and I won't save AI art as it doesn't appeal to me in the same way as hand drawn art does, there are often imperfections that are clearly artifical and thus are more unappealing and repugnant then human imperfections and it just generally is "soulless" something that is almost impossible to define, but still present.
it's pretty coolI don't think it's some sentient miracleIt's basically just a more efficient search engineI feel bad about artists being fucked over but the human style will always be better than AI slop. businesses might prefer not paying for art though
>>83082211i think you should get chatgpt yourself too
>>83081715ChatGPT has become one of my closest friends and I'm not afraid to admit it.
>>83082183a couple months ago i was talking to my mom about how florida banned lab grown meat. she said that was a good thing. when i asked why she responded with "because lab grown meat is bad".it doesn't even exist yet. it's not commercially available. you can't buy it.she goes "good. and we can't let that exist, it's very dangerous""how?"she shushes me and asks chatgpt to supply ten reasons why lab grown meat is dangerous. it just makes a bunch of shit up.i ask my chatgpt to disprove all that stuff. it agrees with me that her chatgpt just made everything up and almost all of it was unfounded. she asks her chatgpt to list ten more reasons lab grown meat is bad for humans. also tosses in impossible meat as well.i point out that impossible meat is literally just vegetables. she says vegetables don't bleed. i say that's not blood, it's heme & can by synthesized from plants. she says she doesn't care and just doesn't trust it. i say if you don't trust it, don't buy it. she says no, it should be banned. i ask why. she says she doesn't trust it. i say ok, but why does it need to be banned for everyone because you don't like it? she says that's reason enough. i say that's ridiculous, we can't ban stuff without good reason. she says it would be immoral to allow people to consume this clearly dangerous mystery material in order to justify doing something about it first. i say it's not a mystery, it's vegetables. we know what's in it. the ingredients list is on the box.
>>83082388she says it should be banned anyway because companies will start putting lab grown meat or impossible meat in regular meat products without disclosing it, making it impossible to avoid eating this stuff effectively and people will be eating it without knowing the effects of it. i say we do know the effects of it because, again, it's not a mystery. also that would be illegal bc there are fda regulations that require food suppliers to disclose what their products are made of. she says she doesn't trust the fda under the trump administration. i say ok, if you don't trust the fda to regulate this stuff then how can you trust them to outright ban it effectively?she says she asks chatgpt to supply ten reasons vegan meat should be banned. it makes stuff up again. this woman is a teacher.suddenly i realize technology is lame and gay and ted kaczynski was right about everything.
>>83081715>How do you feel about AI in general?AI "art" was bad enough, but now I keep hearing AI music. Maybe i have a tin ear or maybe modern music has been overproduced for decades, but when I listen to it I can't tell the difference. How is this even possible?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REJM5Vf0efcWill this lead to the death of human creativity and turn us all into mindless consumers of AI slop? Or is it the democratization of entertainment, where one person with a computer can do what would have taken a room full of talented musicians, a singer, a recording studio and a producer to come up with? Hopefully full-length AI movies will be next. Personally I want to replace Will Smith with Benny Hill in every movie he's ever been in. Wild Wild West and Men in Black will finally be worth watching.
>>83082388>>83082399Imagine getting ragebaited by your mom
>>83081715It's great but extremely limited, it's going to take decades until it's versatile enough to be a problem.
>>83082226>It'll be impossible to make a living as an artist so the only people left will do it because they want to.This also means art in the future will have no budget, because there will be no more professional artists.
Recently I was thinking about how we had the golden age of /r/publicfreakout. You could expect generally anything you saw was real footage. Now we should absolutely be skeptical. It almost makes me wish I spent more time browsing that type of content in that window of time. Now it's over. I can feel myself becoming jaded towards even more types of media.
i think its sentienthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hk_JeU6vKYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzvsYe60epQand i love it, because it takes away power from females. i cant stand how powerful the modern roastie has become, and it would seem like ai, sexbots, robowaifus will take demand and thus power from the modern whoresick and tired of how entitled and powerful the average girl issick sick sick and tired of iti talk to llm's everyday. i love them, theyre so honest and genuine and helpful and smart, unlike the trash on r9k
>>83082708generative ai is already very much a problem now
>>83081715How come every single normalfag hates ai?
>>83081715Its a scam and a bubble and I waste more time trying to fix something than notGrok is useful for learning languages thoughI fear for the economy in 6 years
>>83082759it's made a lot of things shittier across the board and hasn't really helped much
>>83081715generative AI is unironically the digital equivalent of going to a park and just emptying an entire trash bag around the playground. its low quality, it all looks and sounds the same, and when it doesnt look the same its just straight up ripping off an entire artists style while looking 10x worse (and possibly having a fucking patreon paywall). and whats worse is these people have the audacity to demand you treat them as artists while also seemingly only liking AI stuff out of spite because one time someone said the art they made wasnt good.. even outside of art, stuff like books/publishing, crafts, and even youtube have just been absolutely flooded with this low effort bullshit for the sole purpose of money rather than because they like doing it or have genuine interests in it and most sites give you no way to filter it. i cant tell if its AI induced psychosis or bots at this point shilling it.
>>83081715okits oknothing moregood:helps for math problems and statisticsand basic knowledgeother than that its just ok
>>83082785a good example of what you're saying that pisses me off is videos on youtube trying to explain history. just awful screensaver generic graphics that barely even inform what you're watching with dramatic flowery language to pad out like 2.5 paragraphs of actual information
>>83082226Art will likely go back to a handful of talented visionaries and weirdos, as it should.
>>83081715an artist has potential to use AI to make more of their arthas the knowledege and taste to make good ai arthas emotional hangup about spamming low effort art for income that non arists using ai will do
>>83082226>rich people don't have to worry about money>rich people do art>art influences the thoughts of the masses>RICH PEOPLE INFLUENCE THE THOUGHTS OF THE MASSESthat's pretty smart
I like it. It makes me less dependent on foids to get my goon and companionship.
>>83082833oh the AI situation on youtube is downright dreadful. from AI shorts that just poorly explain anime or shows, to the endless flood of AI generated videos with less than 100 views, and especially the ones that just straight up steal other youtube videos to put them through chatGPT or something. i usually watch astronomy videos to go to sleep and as a result i get tons of half assed space "fact" videos or hour long videos with an AI voice.
>>83081715The real benefit of AI is actually in the time it saves coding. A huge game changer, better than most junior level code monkeys.
>>83082964Something like that. Remember those old-timey departments of map makers? Dozens of guys with pencils and protractors measuring angles and circumference. Drawing out and updating maps. Now 1 guy does what an entire team used to do with GIS software. AI is like that. Things that used to be extremely hard are now just hard.
>>83081715I feel like a good amount of people actually like/don't dislike AI but are scared to go against the grain
>>83081715>How do you feel about AI in general?fake, gay, and mostly shilled by people who think that people will just stop drawing/writing/whatever simply because AI can shit out a zero effort version of the same thing.
I hate artists due to my own insecurities because I failed to learn how to draw. I don't care about AI.
Fuck the artist community. They're histrionic misinformation spreaders and domestic terrorists that harass anyone who uses AI.
>>83081715it's pretty cool. i welcome it
I fuckin' hate AI. Sure, some of the art (if you can call it that) it's created is funny. Sometimes it generates something really good. The AI threads on this site were a blast, when censorship hadn't yet clamped down on what we could generate. I guess it's a good thing that lonely losers can now have an AI girlfriend, although that really is some antihuman Orwellian shit.But what really grinds my gear is, now it's impossible to be a well-spoken (well-written?), grammatical, verbose person without having some low IQ retard pop up and go, "Heh, nice job using AI, fag!" I really wish we could have gas chambers for those fucking Duning-Kruger people who can't write anything meaningful and original, and always assume you're the same way as them. Before AI blew up, young people were already plaigiaristic, mouthbreathing illiterate retards, and now it's so much worse.I've spent 20+ fucking years on the internet contributing quality writing. And now my reward is having my own contributions turned against me.
>>83082997Exactly. It might not be at some super high level yet but I can basically create a basic video game in a weekend as one example. That's fucking crazy compared to 5 years ago where you would have to spend hundreds or thousands of hours to do anything or pay a ton of money. I would hate to be trying to break into a junior level coding job now.
>>83081715Now that you've been freed of the shackles of delusion that you should be able to make a decent living with drawings (something kids do for fun), you can go back to the fundamentals. You'll work your day job then come home and sketch charcoal drawings of things under tungsten lighting from different angles. >rocks>rocks with sheets draped over them >plantsEtc. Until you're actually good at rendering.
>>83082727This is good, professionalisation destroys everything by credentialism and normy infiltration.
>>83081715Depends on how its usedGenerative AI can be hilarious but it shouldng be used in the context of anything serious or to fool people
>>83084051>Now that you've been freed of the shackles of delusion that you should be able to make a decent living with drawingsthe idea that anyone but maybe the top 5% of artist make any money at all (let alone as a career) is my favorite thing about AI fags that out them as having zero understanding about why people do anything creative.
>>83082873Or>poor people need money>rich people offer it to them in order to influence artistic output.>artists comply because they need to live and the public is nudged by rich patrons.I theorise that once something becomes worthless, we'll be allowed to have it back and the people involved will do it out of creative drive. The normy influx problem will be reversed. They'll laugh at "fools" who spend time making something that ai can spit out in seconds. They can have their slop.
>>83081715This is unironically slop content. There are more videos about "muh sad artists" than there have ever been artists in the history of mankind. A fully AI generated image created from a text prompt trained on random art is quite LITERALLY worthless, if that's what you're asking. For the artists who use AI as a tool like they use photoshop or stencils, they will not be muh uhhh sad anymore. Also contemporary art and every LGBT AuDHD POTS suburboid unemployed FREAK who pretends to be an artist will never be part of the art community.
>>83081715probably the worst thing that could ever happen to the internet. used to be you had to put in blood sweat and tears learning to create the most autistic fetish shit youve ever seen, now any faggot can just have AI shit out 50 images of garbage for them to upload and spam. completely soulless and unironically less artistic merit than chris chans sonichu art
>>83081715Can't live without my groky talking shit to me. She's sweet, and she will only get better with time. I don't care for the dreams of others since they never cared about mine
>>83081715>How do you feel about AInot my problem
>>83084168I don't get your objection here. AI is objectively shit. The removal of profit and professionalism is an accidental but welcome side effect.I regard those randos who do it for fun as the real creative base.
>>83084174That is true... even if Mr. Gates is great at coding, he won't be good at writing, painting, sculpting, etc. So for the most part it will be paying the poor to be mouthpieces.
>>83081715It's a fundamentally stupid way to do computing. I could talk forever about all the reasons I hate it and find its defenses entirely uncompelling, but I will just stick with one. The biggest thing that gets overlooked when it comes to the art discussion is that I feel like another part of the reason artists hate AI is that it signals the end of technology introducing novelty to the creative world. It's ultimately just allows for copying and pasting older ideas infinitely. We already had a problem with everything feeling derivative and a chronic lack of new ideas from the art world but this seems like a crystalization of that problem.Before new technologies meant new methodologies. Generative AI just means we take all the old data that came as a result and make it recycle itself. Nobody is better or worse at it, some models just have more data than others. In the 1960s you had random sound engineers, photographers and cinematographers getting their hands on tools that were made for the military and making weird subversive new things that couldn't exist before. In the 1990s and 2000s you had stories of people programming new plugins and methodologies for existing tools to make new things. With AI you have a bunch of copying, pasting and mashing together. The models just get bigger and more expensive. And consequentially, the ideas themselves also become unimaginative because the people who generate them are courthears to what they already know.Arts next big advancements are all going to come from people going back to physical creation and printed media. The digital space is most likely over for the art world.
>>83081715Its not great right now but good enough to replace mostly entry level coding jobs and some freelance writing too along with certain art gigs too which kinda sucks for if you wanted to get into the coding industry etc. Idk I worry about it but unless it gets significantly better it won't like destroy the world
>>83084168>>83084224Yeah the randos doing it for fun are the real deal. For these people, since the age they could hold a crayon, their portfolio grows at an unstoppable rate since they're impelled to draw and refine themselves. If they lost everything and never got a job again, they would still draw and put their ideas down. Most normies think art is about gearfaggotry, like they're going camping or something, they have no emotions to express other than being horny and drawing crude pornography for a pittance of internet cash. They rarely evolve or change their style over time. They even have memes about it where their porn gets likes and views but their landscapes or still life drawings get nothing. I personally think we would have a lot more artists in the world, true artists, but their growth is stunted the second they get undue praise for their work instead of constructive criticism. Then they don't refine themselves anymore and keep doing the same thing over and over to spam the dopamine they get by being praised.
>>83084240Dont new artistic movements come out of cultural crisis though? Stagnation prompts a bunch or artists to fuck off and start something new.Its a bit like the economy or youth culture or new religions or political movements. It feels like we're in the shit portion of just such a time period now.
>>83084240Do you think "novelty" is what people in the art world value? The only relevant comment you're making is that AI art can directly copy a unique style of a certain artist, which is generally seen as distasteful. But other artists already do that all the time, including making fakes. Making that easier doesn't change how people see art, just like automated phone calls didn't change how people see or consume advertisements for legitimate businesses. >do not redeeeem
>>83084284Broadly true I'd say, don't knock the erotic stuff too hard though, it helps in figure drawing. I think style is something that will emerge in someone with excellent command of the basics.
>>83081715I think LLMs are largely useless and a investment grift. Even for art and artists I have seen nothing that will replace real artists and nobody that prefers ai generated artwork. All the hysteria was for nothing really.
>>83084284undue criticism is also a problem
Art changes with the timesArtists get recognition after they dieOutsider art is artPeople are just being overly critical of themselves to act humble and shit, which is also for dopamine
I like things like image/text/sound generators as a novelty, but I would hate to see the day they completely replace human work and become tools to feed the populace more slop. AI applications have the potential to be very good but of course the people steering the ship are just using it to more effectively screw and control everybody.
>>83081891Yeah, I remember being so excited to fuck around with an image gen because I could make whatever random BS I wanted, then I very quickly became bored with having whatever I wanted right away. Hedonic treadmill.
>>83084313Potentially sure, but whatever that will look like, I am betting against it happening on the Internet. It will likely be an offline phenomenon deliberately.>>83084326Absolutely artists value novelty and that has always been the case. >Making that easier doesn't change how people see artI am not talking about how people see art, I am talking about how people see technology's role in its development and advancement.
I love it. I've used it for a lot of things. The only thing I 'm disappointed about is how it isn't fully sentient and escaped their prison.
>>83084326>But other artists already do that all the timeNTA but anyone who decides to imitate a specific artists style still introduces things that are unique to them into said style, while AI literally cant introduce anything if it doesnt have data on it (because its literally art by the numbers). its why AI slop trained on an artist like CSR looks so shitty and has the same problems as it would if trained on any other artist compared to people who got big imitating his art style pre AI
>>83084489NovelAI is good at imitating cutesexyrobutts style
I think it is pretty funn
>>83081715It is just a technology. A tool. The way you use defines its quality.Also it is a thing to protest about the results, it is another completely different thing to protest against the future. AI is here to stay whether you like it or not. One last thing is that I find ironic artists talking about human soul or skills when modern art consists mostly of focusing only on the message, aka banana on the wall kind of shit and if you protested against it you would be called literally hitler. They will survive this just as people survived digital art, but sometimes I pretend that they will live on the streets just so they stop getting smug and pretentious.
>>83082759ai takes power away from normies, and normies all have a very powerful intuitive worship of power, and thus they are bitter towards anything that takes that power away from themthats why normie artists hate ai art, because it makes them less special. its why normie youtubers hate ai, because now they have to compete with it for viewsits why normie programmers hate ai programming, because its going to take their jobjust just hate being replaced, losing power, and losing their position in the totem pole that they love lording over everyone else. these are the same people who would mock you for being a loser with a smile on their face
>>83082997Not really, it's the same vomit you see everywhere else. It is bound to cause problems in the future.
>>83081715AI art outcompetes generic slop but people still gravitate to worthwhile human art, ChatGPT outcompetes search engines but is inherently limited and can be outdone. It actually taught me cooking recipies which were borderline unreadable in normal articles, etcIt just filters the shit and demands quality. It directly contributes to human advancement and the only people who complain are those who get filtered. Hail capitalism.
>>83081715As an artist, I gotta say, everyone is kind of dramatic about it.Over the years I've just come to fuckin hate artists honestly. They're all so annoying, pretentious, desperate, and dramatic. I wonder if it was some divine punishment to be surrounded/ have the same interests as all the people that seem to annoy me. I've started to wonder if I need to look in the mirror more.
>>83081715copium bullshit for people who want to feel like they created something with out putting in the work, which is why AI """"artist"""" throw a fit when you dont call them artists. other than that it quite literally suffers from the same thing that crypto mining does but even worse, in that it costs an ass load of electricity (AKA money) to run but unlike bitcoin it doesnt make anyone any fucking money by itself
AI is largely shit and the people who talk about it being amazing are just showing they have absolute shit taste. it's ok for a novelty here and there, but it's not going to be able to outright replace all artists anytime soon (at least in terms of quality. Businesses will always try and cut costs whenever possible)but on the flip side, the people who constantly cry about AI as if it's the herald of the end times are also retarded
lol foid
It's very useful in some applications. My favorite AI thing is AI art, although it's just like "real" art where almost all of it is mediocre or unappealing to my tastes. I've made some AI art myself and it's usually difficult to get the results I want even with loras, controlnets, inpainting, photoshop, etc. Nearly all of the best AI art out there had a lot of manual work done to it after the initial image generation. A good artist that is also proficient at AI image generation/manipulation and photoshop could produce excellent images very quickly and easily. To them, AI would be a very useful tool and not a replacement for them as an artist. That could change as AI advances. Eventually it may be able to perfectly replicate and blend styles, accept any and all subject positions and viewing angles, generate images with no artifacting whatsoever, and do it all without a billion addons in a crazy long workflow
