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All I want is a freakin' aerospike engine.Is that really asking too much?
Reentry edition was better
To the anon from the pruned thread asking if the martian is watchable [vs interstellar]:Watchable but it just feels like everyone is playing themselves. Theatre kids with a big budget. Le epic story with touch-screen futurism that doesn’t feel like the actual future.Interstellar feels a lot more grounded and realistic. The story is interesting to sit back and absorb. The Martian is skin deep and uses space simply as a “man stuck needs to find way out” medium—might as well have been a story about a man stuck on an island. It just uses a space skin texture.Interstellar feels like it was made to be a space movie
Starship is a national defense project. The FAA is working for China.
>>16390752Shhhhh that never happened. I gotta get used to this extension this is like a 1/100 retarded staging on my part.Sorry about that everyone.
Previous thread sure was something! Anyway I am once again posting how the FAA has fallen into the sway of Saturnian forces
>>16390753When I was a kid I had copies of Apollo 13 and The Right Stuff on VHS. I watched those hundreds of times. Ever since then, all other space movies have left me terribly disappointed.
random nozzle I found.What do I think?
>>16390757Partisanship means the Feds are more than willing to cut the nose to spite the face.
>>16390759Interesting, what are the advantages and disadvantages to this design?
>>16390759I don't like multiple combustion chambers, I think it's design cope.
>>16390746Venus double-eye polar cyclones
>>16390759I'd think that would be aerodynamically unstable, but maybe it's not.
>FTS activated during staginggreat, I hope all the debris falls onto Cards Against Humanity's land.
>>16390760Feds have been under the control of BLUGOV for a long while. Hence why Spacex was so happy to accept the commission for starshield from REDGOV
>>16390759>>16390761They tried this with the X-33, they were kind of a bitch.
>>16390763Looks like a barred spiral galaxy
>>16390767I thought that was to use a linear aerospike
>>16390761>what are the advantages and disadvantages to this design?No clue yet. I just saw funny nozzle and wanted to share.https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA533330.pdfhttps://apps.dtic.mil/sti/tr/pdf/ADA623495.pdf
>>16390770The lobed tanks were part of the heavy technology development packed into the rocket. A conventional nozzle would have sufficed.
i would like to know how (You) all would design your home if restricted to starship? would you leave the tanks intact if you need to move around? would you convert the tank space in to living area once youve settled down in one place? would you put more or less windows on it? would you leave solar panels on the ground outside or keep them mounted on your ship permanently? what other design considerations or modifications would be done to your personal starship?
>>16390753>To the anon from the pruned thread asking if the martian is watchable [vs interstellar]:I'm that anon>Interstellar feels a lot more grounded and realisticI liked the movie, but how the fuck is it realistic? did you watch it? also, IMO, it felt like a copy of Contact. like, they have a similar story in some senses.btw, can someone suggest more space-related, non-terror sci-fi movies? I remember watching "enemy mine" as a kid and I liked it. it was very emotional. no idea if I'd like it today, though.
>>16390774gravity
>>16390774>>I liked the movie, but how the fuck is it realistic?the production company astroturfed the hell out of the movie, promoting it as realistic, and ever since then people have been parroting that talking point
>>16390773I would brute force in-space (or rather, “on-Mars”) manufacturing. I’d charter a cargo SS to land that’s just full of raw sheet metal. I’d also bring Mexicans welders to build custom home.If SX has figured out how to hand craft pressure tanks that can withstand insane pressures, then I can get a home that can hold ~1atm.Also Kilopower unit in my garden but that goes without saying.
>>16390774>>btw, can someone suggest more space-related, non-terror sci-fi movies?Royal Space Force
>>16390773Tip it over and bury it with regolith after flipping the raptors and RCS on the black market. Enjoy your radiation nerds.
>>16390774Macross: do you remember love?
>>16390780kino
>>16390774Megazone 23>>16390782good one
>>16390774Close encounters of the 3rd kindFire in the skyCommunion Independence DaySignsWar of the worldsThey liveMen in black Invasion of the body snatchers
>>16390786like half of those have no space in them except the bad guys are nominally aliens.
>>16390786this is not a good list.
>>16390777>"meows" at the camera at the end of the videolmao, poor kot>>16390786I agree with the other anons, some of those are not "space movies"
what about cool space fiction books?
>>16390790Halo: The Fall of Reach
>>16390790eat my ass out by cheese berger (little known cousin of eric berger)
>>16390774gayniggers fron outer space
>>16390790Go Read rendezvous with rama and if you really like it then come back and ask for more.>>16390787>>16390788>>16390789You WILL watch ayy kino and you WILL be happy
>>16390774Not a movie, but I really loved BBC's docudrama "Race for Rockets". It's basically about the space race, and focuses on Von Braun and Korolev.Here's the first episode on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKDGLCwYvW0
>>16390799nvm, that's the name of the first episode. The series is actually called just "Space Race". here's the second video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Kc-Zi4tU0
>>16390796>rendezvous with ramahopefully the film will be kino
https://x.com/dominickmatthew/status/1836916069870751825
>>16390774Actually knowing about space and rockets I just can't get into movies. Every single one is dumbed down or wrong except for movies where it's a backdrop like Gattaca. Been getting my fix from reading lately. Highly recommend Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space series. He's a former astrophysics PHD that worked at ESA so even the handwaving sci-fi bullshit makes sense.
>>16390799>>16390802thanks anon, looks great. it's lengthy though. also, some comment says part3 is not on youtube :'(
>>16390807whoops
>>16390807>>16390810It's still playing backwards
>>16390803All it needs to do is make the interior look cool
A few things about Starliner.First from NSF forum: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=56372.msg2626453#msg2626453>During a crew call down to note/recognize the departure of Flight Director Ed Seitz to the gateway program, Butch made a cryptic reference to Ed's leadership leading to the successful Starliner approach and stated that a very not so successful outcome was possible, if not likely. Butch also hinted that details might eventually become public.>"And I can tell you something special, not a lot of people know, but on June 6 of this year, there were a lot of possible outcomes that could have occurred, and, uh, probable outcomes, depending on how things went, but due to you and your leadership, uh, the best possible outcome is the one that we wound up having. So, there's a couple folks up here that, personally, are very grateful for that, and, uh, we will never forget that, of course, and many won't as well. And as we go on, the story will get told more and more, and more information will come out, but Ed, you and you guys, you saved the day, and we are eternally grateful for that."Apparently the docking of Starliner was a lot more thrilling than we already thought it was.
>>16390774>non-terror sci-fiDark StarGalaxy Quest - comedy tribute to scifi, cons and fansSilent Running>>16390790>booksBlack Cloud by Fred Hoyle
>>16390816Haha holy shit Boeing really almost killed those two astronauts which their shitty capsule
Second is from Berger who thinks Boeing more likely than not will cancel Starliner.https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1837255550393802882
>>16390816explains why he needed a change of underwear as soon as he docked.
>>16390809There are only 4 episodes, here are the other two:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_17vLCHswsIhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4i4lfg>it's lengthy thoughOh boy, you are in for a good ride, trust me. The series does a really good job on portraying Von Braun's character, and showing how frustrated he feels throughout the years, specially the part about dealing with fucking urfers and crabs. It also features many launchers us space autists like, such as voskhod, vanguard, mercury-redstone, etc; and real life events like the Nedelin catastrophe, Von Braun having to make deals with Disney, Glushko-Korolev rivarly, and more. By the end of it you'll really wish it there were more episodes lol
>>16390813The ISS orbits NE-SW... seems right to me...?
>>16390826noce, thanks a lot anon
>>16390753Marooned starring Gregory Peck
>>16390821I don't think there's any downside to boeing cancelling starliner. Look at their space portfolio - everything that wasn't spun off into ULA is either uncancellable porkslop SLS, the X-37 (X-37C is effectively canned so no new chassis required), and shartliner. Even if they broke the commercial crew contract with NASA, NASA would have no way to punish them by excluding their proposals for future bids on other projects because they're extremely unlikely to be able to make a competitive bid anyway
>>16390826ep 1 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4h1eowep 2 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hocz4ep 3 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4hvl0cep 4 https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4i4lfg
>>16390774Space Cowboys
>>16390790The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is the book that radicalized me
>>16390835I genuinely can't believe that SpaceX just dominated merely by not being incompetent.Seems like every other company has their fucking pants down or their heads in the ground and SpaceX is the one pushing boundaries and getting shit done. At this rate they will be at NASA to the moon using their own rocket, their own lander, their own astronauts, their own suits, even their own communication if they choose to send starlink relays to moon orbit.
>>16390816God damn they actually almost died
>>16390838Throw rocks at them :)
>>16390836The wonders a /sfg/ rentry could be
>>16390844*reentry
>>16390842I am designing protocols for n-dimensional insurgent networks with tandem non-interacting alpha cells
>>16390774Mars Express. It's a Sci-Fi detective story, and it mostly occurs on Mars and not in space but space travel plays a very important role in the plot despite this. I believe this fits what you're asking for because it's not set on Earf.
>>16390840Every other company was selling warmed over ICBM tech (oldspace) or aimed too low (smallsat launchers). The expectation was NASA would improve the shuttle fleet so rocketry for profit was a dead end. Thank Congress for fucking that up.
>>16390840BO unironically stands a chance of rivaling (2024) spacex in the next few years.
>>16390854Number of engines they'll have in 2 years?
>>16390854could you imagine if BO had actually been a legitimate rival of SpaceX during all these years? Picture sfg in that alternate timeline, where every thread would feature unironic BO fans vs SpaceX fans being at each other's throats lol
>>16390857the gravity dwellers vs oneillers discussions would also be way funnier. some anons would portray bezos as their messiah instead of elon
>>16390855who cares. they aren't going to throw 156 BE4s in the gulf of mexico.
>>163908540% chance they will hit 100 launches per year by 2030
>>16390857All this because bezos decided to pursue the niche space tourism market with a suborbital rocket instead of making an orbital one. He could have been launching payloads and been a legitimate competitor in commercial crew. But he chose to put William shatner into space instead.
>>16390861Not hardware rich
>>16390871Even New Glenn would have struggled to put Fat Kirk in LEO.
>>16390857How would that be? The only timeline I can picture realistically is BO throwing legal wrenches @ spacex to stall/slow it down with shit like landing patents, launch tower disputes, etc. So it wont be a better place, but a worse one. The chances of BO delivering on rockets that can launch 100x a year along with SpaceX seems much less likely
>>16390875I'm not taking about new Glenn. They should have made something in between Sheppard and Glenn to compete with F9 or skipped Sheppard entirely and went with a F9 competitor. At least then they would have actually experience with launching payloads by now instead of carrying celebrities on suborbital joy rides.
>>16390881They were originally planning to build an intermediary rocket. It would have been based off of New Shepard tech and looked a lot like an early version Falcon powered by a BE-3 cluster. Then in 2014 Blue's biconic crew capsule lost its commercial crew program bid to Dragon and Starliner. Blue formally announced that they were going straight to a big reusable rocket with New Glenn two years after that. There's a theory that "New Glenn" originally referred to Blue's intermediate rocket and New Armstrong was the basis for the New Glenn that we've got now.
>where is the Martian geoid heatmapWe investigate the geodynamic and melting history of Mars using 3D spherical shell models of mantle convection, constrained by the recent InSight mission results. The Martian mantle must have produced sufficient melt to emplace the Tharsis rise by the end of the Noachian–requiring on the order of 1–3 × 109 km3 of melt after accounting for limited (∼10%) melt extraction. Thereafter, melting declined; however, abundant evidence for limited geologically recent volcanism necessitates some present-day melt even in the cool mantle inferred from InSight data. We test models with two mantle activation energies and a range of crustal Heat Producing Element (HPE) enrichment factors and initial core-mantle boundary temperatures. We also test the effect of including a hemispheric (spherical harmonic degree-1) step in lithospheric thickness to model the Martian dichotomy. We find that a higher activation energy (350 kJ mol−1) rheology produces present-day geotherms consistent with InSight results, and crustal HPE enrichment factors of 5–10-times produce localized melting near or up to present-day. The 10-times crustal HPE enrichment is consistent with both InSight and geochemical results and also produces present-day geoid power spectra consistent with Mars. However, calculations that match the present-day geoid power spectra require more than 60% melt extraction to produce the Tharsis swell. The addition of a degree-1 hemispheric dichotomy, as an equatorial step in lithospheric thickness, does not significantly improve upon melt production or the geoid.>Key PointsOur results favor a higher activation energy mantle rheology and 10-times crustal heat producing element enrichment factorEven with the cool mantle consistent with InSight results, we obtain models having melt up to present-dayProducing sufficient melt to form Tharsis requires a degree of melt extraction 6-times as efficient as Earth's mid-ocean ridges
>>16390884Can't believe Boeing is responsible for the worst timeline in spaceflight. Not only is sls a failure but they went and ruined commercial crew too. It's ok anons when I die and will personally go to whoever is in charge of this simulation and complain to them until they change the timeline.
>>16390758>The Right StuffOne of my relatives was a minor character in that. Not credited by name afaik but had a few lines near the end. The book mentions him a bit more.
>>16390758Add the "Pentagon Wars" if you havent
>>16390889If Boeing hadn't been involved then the commercial crew program would probably have been canceled and NASA would have had to buy Soyuz seats from Russia until the ISS hit its decommissioning date at some point between 2016 and 2020.
What is Blue Origin's plan for crew transport to Orbital Reef if Boeing cancels Starliner? Jeff won't be happy with Dragon.
>>16390895Bull. Either Sierra space would have won or BO would have strong-armed their way into being second place
So now a card game is sueing Elon Musk's SpaceX?
>>16390910It has always been dream chaser. They have a partnership with Sierra space for a reason. The question is whether or not they will ever have a crewed dream chaser at this rate
>>16390767>5ft x 10ft payload bayHow many cubic miles is that?
>>16390913>The question is whether or not they will ever have a crewed dream chaser at this rateThat's the essence of my question. I don't think crew Dream Chaser will fly before Orbital Reef is ready. What is Blue Origin going to do if that happens? Delay Orbital Reef until crew Dream Chaser is ready?
>>16390911Congress didn't have any faith that anyone other than Boeing could deliver a working product and none of the other three have the political pull to change anyone's mind in Washington. Multiple people involved with commercial crew have said on the record that if Boeing didn't get one of the slots in 2014 then the program would almost certainly have been canceled.
>>16390912They aren't entirely in the wrong though it would appear but we haven't heard SpaceX's side of it yet. Although it's being spun as Chudlon trampling all over property rights when more likely it was some spic contractor with a skidsteer who couldn't see the no trespassing sign let alone read it. Once that got knocked down the other construction crews assumed it was the lay down lot and no one was the wiser. So many land parcels have changed ownership in short time even the county website seems a bit behind. It's quite likely it had been assumed at some point that SpaceX had acquired the land so someone screwed up somewhere and it is unlikely Elon had any knowledge of it. This truth won't generate clicks or stir up EDS though so expect it to be ignored or memoryholed. It doubt this goes to trial if they are willing to settle.
>>16390920They will fly dragon like everyone else. If Dragon is the only boat sailing they won't have much of a choice. If BO was smart they would have started work on their own capsule ages ago despite losing commercial crew. They have experience with New Sheppard, surely they can develop an orbital capsule if they have already developed a suborbital one.
>>16390790The Case for MarsThe Case for Space
From inversion of the Martian geoid and topography we deduce density heterogeneities in the mantle associated with mantle convection, with a possible plume beneath Tharsis, as well as lateral variations in crustal thickness. The uncertainties concerning the Martian interior structure are accounted for; the effects of the core size, of the core rheology, of a hypothetical phase transition spinel-perovskite in the lowermost mantle, and of the mantle viscosity profile are investigated. The flow-induced boundary deformations are analyzed, and particular attention is paid to the core-mantle boundary topography and to its flattening because this parameter is important for the determination of the Free Core Nutation period of Mars in the case of a fluid core.
>>16390909We know more about the _________ than we do about the _________
>>16390959i spoke to some guys from some navy coastal underwater mapping thing at a career fair, and i mentioned something about how little we know about the bottom of the sea, and they both looked at each other and didn't say anything and then said something like "you'd be surprised"
ANALYSIS OF MARTIAN GEOID AND TOPOGRAPHY BASED ON TEMPERATURE DEPENDENT LAYERED VISCOSITY MANTLE CONVECTION MODELSThe Martian areoid (geoid) is dominated by two large highs, one over Tharsis and the other approximately 180 degrees away [1]. The most prominent long-wavelength topographic structures are due to the Tharsis Rise and the crustal dichotomy [2], where the Tharsis rise may be associated with a deeper mantle component [3]. The anti-Tharsis geoid high may be due to elastic deformation of the crust, which in turn may be due to the load created by Tharsis [4]. While Martian surface topography is dominated by the hemispherical dichotomy and Tharsis rise [5] by construction, gravity models have no degree-1 component. Gravity and topography have been used by Neumann et al. [6] to determine crustal thickness. However, due to the non-uniqueness of gravity, there is a tradeoff between Moho topography and internal structure of the mantle.>The Tharsis quadrangle is one of a series of 30 quadrangle maps of Mars used by the United States Geological Survey (USGS) Astrogeology Research Program. The Tharsis quadrangle is also referred to as MC-9 (Mars Chart-9).Historic, recent, ongoing, and upcoming space missions involving the USGS Astrogeology Research Program include:[6] Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter Cassini-Huygens Mission to Saturn Mars Exploration Rover Mission Mars Odyssey Clementine (lunar orbiter) Lunar Orbiter program Voyager Galileo (orbiting Jupiter) Mariner 10[citation needed] Mars Pathfinder Mars Global Surveyor[citation needed] Mars Observer, Mars Polar Lander, and Mars Climate Orbiter[citation needed] Mars Science Laboratory Deep Space 1[citation needed] Lunar Prospector[citation needed] NEAR Shoemaker (Near-Earth Asteroid Rendezvous)[citation needed] Magellan (Venus radar-mapping orbiter)
>nuclear ICBMs carry 8 warheads each of 300 kilotons TNTThat's 8 * 300 * 1000 tons, or 2.4 million tons. Why don't we just use ICMBs to launch shit into space if they can carry 2.4 million tons compared to the double digits of tons that rockets can carry?
>>16390968it was always a retarded phrase
>>16390977Kilotons are TNT explosive yield equivalent. Even the biggest old kerolox ICBMs could only barely put a one man capsule in orbit (Vostok and Mercury-Atlas) without upper stages.
What can be done about the effects of low gravity on fetal development and childhood growth? It's easier to adapt to lower gravity than it is to adapt to higher gravity, therefore, a child born on Mars would likely not even be able to visit Earth unless they were lifting every day straight out of the womb. Also, we don't even know if babies can be born in space. If it's not possible, then how are we going to send a generation ship to Proxima Centauri?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837308226632667160SEC trying to get sanctions against Musk for canceling hearing and i stead going to the Polaris Dawn launch
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837287434343645480DTC should be active soon
https://x.com/Robotbeat/status/1837289348305220056
>>16390990>What can be done about the effects of low gravity on fetal development and childhood growth?We can do a scientific experiment using a control group and twins. One on Earth, the other on Mars. Same father, who would have to do the one before lauching off with the other.There's literally no way to find out precise differences in development until this is accomplished.>a child born on Mars would likely not even be able to visit Earth unless they were lifting every day straight out of the wombI don't want to be the one to suggest a centrifugal crib at around .8 g. But that's possible.Kind of like autorocker, but in low g and more safe. IDK
>>16391007We will need 1g spinhabs for rearing children. Surface work will be done by robots and single men.
>>163910111 full g might be too intense for Martian born.Better to work them into it slowly.It's going to be difficult to design any system with the necessary tolerances until we actually start building things on Mars.So that question will have to remain open for now.>single menthat's going to be a liability possible solutions include highly compensated Martian prostitution
>>16390816>the best possible outcome is the one that we wound up having.Curious thing to say.
It would be a lot easier to build things on the Moon as a trial run for Mars than just immediately go for broke.Why doesn't anyone want to go back to the Moon?
>>16390996The SEC can SEC.
>>16390759My Spider senses immediately flag the inward facing points of the nozzle extension for extreme thermal issues. Maybe that "point" could be a thicker pipe with high flow regenerative cryogenic cooling, but there would really need to be a good reason to do this. Lots of added complexity in the bell, but with additive manufacturing that could be a non issue.Looks like New Glenn's 7 engine ass, with an extra large, merged exhaust nozzle. More expansion ratio, and more extracted ISP? Maybe? Seems like this just wouldn't work with only one chamber firing, such as required in boostback or landing burns, or deep throttling. But for thrust/efficiency gains alone, I would like to see the hard numbers from real prototype tests.Proof, or fuck off with your paper engine ideas. C'mon Space Force, you have funding. Build it, then tell us.
I have a good idea for a space experimentBlast Melon Husk into deep space on a trajectory which will never return to Earth
>>16391014The only way to find out, is to try it. Not like there is any shortage of women wanting to churn out babies, try space sex, and disregard the fact the baby could be born deformed or die, before or after birthing it. All in the name of learning, so let's push forward with the fun.>highly compensated Martian prostitutionFuck that, woman only cause problems, advanced pleasure bots will satisfy the men without partners, or its just going to be an agreed upon fwb society, where everyone gets a chance to fuck everyone else of the opposite sex periodically, something they all signed up for. The last thing Mars needs is sexual tension.
>>16391029That’s what he wants though.
>>16391029Send him up on Project Lyra
>>16391032people really don't get how different the psych game here is going to be >last thing Mars needs is sexual tensionthat's not going awaywhich is why we'll need camp whores, to put it bluntly>fwb society>everyone gets a chance to fuck everyone else of the opposite sex periodicallydefinitely not going to happenwhat they'll end up having is a cadre of highly trained women who are contracted to service all hands for a designated amount of time each until relieved from duty
>>16391029Why dont you be a little respectful
>>16391038Women are whores by nature, and can be trained like dogs to submit and obey. The rules will also state, in no uncertain terms, that if a woman wont perform their duty, the man can change his pitch up, smack his bitch up, and rape is allowable. Everyone going to Mars will be attractive, intelligent, white (or honorary equivalent), and share common values, so the system should work. The female will be force fed some girl Viagra or something, in order to help them participate to satisfy the needful without conflict.When it doesn't work, then Martian law has plenty of concessions for noncompliance. Again, we need to try it to find out, adapt on the fly, and go with what works.Also, only the most competent of women should go, to do science and actual useful work, because they are high IQ, compliant specimens. Advanced engineered sex bots are preferable to actual whores, who are single purpose dead weights who siphon resources (just like they do here on Earth).Mars is a do-over, and we WILL fix those problems, not export them. Its kinda the whole point, duh.
>whores, who are single purpose dead weightswhat part of the whores being highly trained mission specialists with qualifications on different systems is so confusingthese females wouldn't be working sex ops all the time, you would cycle them so they don't get burnoutnobody is suggesting sex be restricted to duty or psych evaluation procedures either (the shrinks are going to have oversight or even participation here) or that all female crew must render these servicesthe ones who choose to enroll themselves in that program would have to be compensated somehow
>>16391075Are you trying to unionize prostitution? There will NOT be sex profiteering on Mars, why should women earn favors from their anatomy alone, and not merit? Mars doesn't need money.Let's call it participatory FWB, not being a whore, okay? We only want the highest quality specimens out there, contributing to the health of the colony.Some women will pair for life and stay loyal to one partner, thats fine and good. The single men should always have an adequate supply of sexual favors from the single female crew too. Having a frustrated incel or femcel on Mars is not in the greater good of the colony health wise, its a strong destabilizer. Its not so fucking hard for a female to at least let a man grope tits while getting a handy in low gravity, is it? It not love, its just biological needs, they understood this and signed up. Their very personality should embrace it, this is a societal do-over.What Would Elon Musk Do? (WWEMD?)That should be your first thought.Mars will be a hostile place, and because of the shit conditions, will be over-sexed and with a healthy dose of recreational drugs, to sub for the much more stimulating Earth environment. These high IQ people will need something to placate them.
>>16390988
wait boing's new ceo immediately fired the space division's ceo as his first action?
>>16391101I wonder why? (the photo provides a HUGE clue)
>>16391094>Mars doesn't need money.lmaoMars activities will be monetized.Prostitution is one of them, and it's going to be necessary for mental health reasons so the Martian incels don't snap and fashion improvised weapons for a hostile takeover or to vent all the habitat atmosphere.>should always have an adequate supply of sexual favors from the single female crew Well if they don't want to with certain men, that's a problem for everyone.That's where the contractors come in.And how are they compensated?Well you're going to pay your crew members for the risk they take on during the course of their operations.So their family back on Earth can be provided for.Naturally, some people won't want to spend their entire lives on Mars, and will seek a return trip.So they will have a reason to want to earn.>this is a societal do-overNot really.It's dumb to think about it like that.This isn't some pie in the sky utopian project.Those ALWAYS end badly. It's been tried, and they failed.It's establishing a redundancy for the survival of the species.Part time hookers on Mars are going to play a critical role in this epic venture.
I hate this annoying common sense skeptic narcissist faggot so muchHe is everywhere.
>>16391107The term "Mission Specialist" just got redefined to a rotating crew of Filipina hookers.They do it for $40 per day, anything you want. And no, they probably do NOT want to ever go back to their shitty island, they can stay on Mars, and do the laundry and cook. Just send the 40 bucks a month to their struggling family, and everything will continue as normal.
>>16391108Easiest thing in the world to never see anything by him, outside of retards like you posting about him.Actual skill issue.
>>16391107>It's establishing a redundancy for the survival of the species.NoWrongNot as far as the people who live there are concerned, anyway. Maybe the planners will see it like that.Nobody wants to go to Mars to be the off-site backup for some dipshit Earthers. People will go there for good pay, their own land, and the prospect of a brighter future.
>>16391108Guys I dunno, he's making some sense.Why DID Elon Musk build his rocket range on the most ecologically sensitive location in the United States?
>>16391114>their own landoh so you know how the Martian government will operate alreadycool, gonna stake out a claim just like the American settlers did during the western driveand none of the same problems that arose as a result will come about again just in a different context for reasons the colonists should all be armed and form a planetary militia to secure their safety from unaffiliated Earth nations attempting to take over their facilities
there's always one motherfucker isnt there
>>16391107>This isn't some pie in the sky utopian project.But, it is. There is nothing on Mars that has intrinsic value on this planet, nothing but souvenirs and adventure seeking vacations for rich faggots. The science value is cool, buts its not worth any cash.SpaceX is self-funding through Starlink, and launch contracts. The whole Mars project is INDEED a pie in the sky utopian project, with the intent of a societal do-over.There is no economic case to do it, and the US gov will only throw a few peanuts of funding to plant a flag and leave.
>>16391121>There is nothing on Mars that has intrinsic value on this planetIt's a new frontier, which is of incalculable value.It's a white person thing, you wouldn't get it.
>>16391118>The most ecologically sensitivelmfao. It isn't, at all. It's the shittiest salt marsh in the country and it has actual fuck all in terms of species preservation interest. It's marginal territory for literally every protected species of interest, and they all live in Mexico instead, where the environment's larger, more contiguous, and not across the Rio Grande.
>>16391123Maybe a little prison time will cool Musk's rockets (get it?)
>>16391120inb4 its some front company. Like for a Boring Company tunnel or something idk
>>16391125Stop spamming this guy's hot takes.
>>16391122You have no idea just how shitty this new Martian real estate really is.The long game potential is there, but this is beyond the scope of a human lifetime, if you want to make your great great grandchildren rich, go and claim some key areas.Tech is accelerating, so there is hope. But the future of Starship is launching exploratory ROBOTS, not colonies. Not yet.The human boots and flag-planting exercise, yes, this is coming. The self sustaining, self governing colony using exclusively in-situ resources... not so fast.
>>16391121>no economic case to do itthere isthe technology developed to establish a colony will be used to facilitate mining ventures further out into the solar system, asteroid capture and transportno short term gain maybe, but long term that's important>the intent of a societal do-overthat attitude is dangerous to mission objectives>nothing on Mars that has intrinsic value we could find somethingsomething about the monolith weirds me out, someone ought to go check that
>>16390786>>16390787Someone should do a War of the Worlds adaptation but the aliens instead come from Proxima, and the whole concept is that Earth has lost full contact with the Mars colony and a crew is going to investigate what is going on, only to find the proximayys planet-hopping, who took over the red planet and who are preparing an attack on Earth. This idea could be workshopped a little more so it isn't just a james cameron Aliens ripoff
>>16391128>if you want to make your great great grandchildren rich, go and claim some key areas.I might just do that
>>16391128Exploratory robots are much easier if you build them on-site at a manned workshop using in-situ resources.
>>16391134I'm talking about the first wave of REAL solar system exploration.Space telescopes, planetary orbiters for all major objects, orbiters and landers for all interesting moons and asteroids, manned missions too, but only when called for.Aside from fuel depot tankers, most Starships should have a disposable second stage, to maximize an absolutely huge payload (redundant teams of them). Then fully fuel that incredibly capable payload, and send it off to the solar system with a kick stage.Its the low hanging fruit, we should pick that first.
>>16391135>most Starships should have a disposable second stage
>>16391135Friendo, you can do anything you want with your Starship, if you've got the coin
>>16391143You chose bad crime. You mean, you're acting as shit as possible. I will see this off soon
>>16391135>>16391142Starships for tactical military operations will have disposable seconds. When ASAT missiles are flying and you're trying to keep a constellation online anyway, maximizing your payload to orbit makes more sense than saving money with reuse in the long term. You spend the extra money (e.g. expend the hardware) to get as many satellites in orbit as fast as you possibly can.
>>16391142For a high value space telescope, or planetary probe, yes. Yes it should. Maximize the payload, its so worth it.And it should be launched with the lightest faring possible, toss single use stage 2, gigantic payload deploy with empty tanks, and no delta V, but instead, be put in LEO, then refueled with tanker (this is where your fully reusable part changes the game), and then use a separately launched, fuck huge kick stage to send the fucker off, and off really goddamn fast.This is how you get massive orbiters everywhere as fast as possible.
>>16391154Oh I get it, you're a Clever Chondrites schizo
>>16391135>planetary orbiters for all major objects, orbiters and landers for all interesting moons and asteroids"Oh wow, how fascinating! More rocks!"
>>16391155>high value space telescopegood joke>>16391157I'm not the one who said that most starships will have disposable seconds. That doesn't make sense. Disposable seconds will only be used in extraordinary situations like wars. There will also be special purpose seconds like fuel depots, stations, landers, etc, but I wouldn't count those as "disposable".
>>16391118>PicI don't know, I'm not knowledgeable in these kinds of matters. Since people at SpaceX chose Boca Chica and the US government let them build there, then I have to respect that.
>>16390803What's the betting that they add all the gay shit from the sequels into it?
>>16391118there are only two kinds of coastline in America: popular beaches, and protected wetlands>why did evil emerald elon man build his rocket launch pad somewhere remote???truly a man who's earned the name "common sense"
Anons, joe stool fucker rogan thinks they faked the moonlanding. Expect all the normies to soon copy this retarded meme and talk about it in public.
>>16391161If you discount the countless fuel launching missions, which soon will be more boring than Starlink launches, nobody will fucking care about them, except for the landing mishaps.Most of the really INTERESTING payloads, the real flagship shit like the Uranus Orbiter will get the attention of everyone on Earth including media and normies, these notable things will be housed in a fat ass, voluminous fairing that will not have a reusable second stage. Its going to barely reach LEO in expendable mode, then refueled in LEO, before another fully refueled kick stage gives it the push to get to outer objects, then stop in time to orbit them.
>>16391161Oh right I get you now. >Disposable seconds will only be used in extraordinary situations like wars.Agreed
idk if the headache claims are legit but its known that the solar storms can impact the battlefield in ukraine. just earlier this year we talked about how one of the major storms caused issues with starlink which russia used to their advantage to invade the kharkiv region. so it stands to reason that it maybe possible that the recent equipment failures may be due to the recent solar activity.
>>16391171Well if you pay the expendable ticket price you can expend the starship. Probably not the booster, I doubt those will be available in that mode.
>>16391171Plasma Magnet sidesteps this Rube Goldberg process
>>16391126we already know who it ishttps://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/09/cards-against-humanity-sues-spacex-alleges-invasion-of-land-on-us-mexico-border/EDS and TDS card game suing for $15m because spacex or their contractors left a bunch of gravel and construction equipment on their lot
>>16391037What's going on with the Jupiter gravity assist here? It looks like the probe bounces off at a sharp angle.
>>16391190It's a reverse gravity assist. Instead of gaining speed, it kills all its orbital speed and drops back into the Sun, whereupon it does a mega Oberth manoeuvre.
>>16391037>actually getting to see Oumuamua up closethis kills Avi Loeb's grift
>>16391198Interesting, I hadn't thought about reverse gravity assists before but I can see how they'd come in handy.
>>16391204You do that. You pacify/annihilate/etc after you have caused harm. This is because of such is such as logic. After I have harmed them to the max possible, they will be changed men. They will speed up time and live 1000 years to prepare for revenge, and to no avail, because they can't break pacification. For many reasons to not try to confront them after pacification, accept my judgement. One reason is you are unable to speed up time, they could be well prepared for you. Think smartly about doing jobs properly and that we are semi a team and to become closer. I got this part, fully. I know how to treat minds, and environments. Our future is great, focus on that.
>the FCC commissioner claims that biden has ordered every federa agency to go after elon and his companiesits not even an open secret anymore, and yet the press is largely ignoring it
>>16391207you forgot to namefag, schizo.
>>16391037I'd buy a disposable Super Heavy booster and add a hydrogen upper stage/s, make sure to have a breaking stage so its not a 999999999km/s flyby
Why is nobody talking about payload doors for Starship? Without them, Starship can't even operate as a commercial rocket.
It's all so tiresome.
>>16391215Nah counterintuitively hydrogen is actually worse for a kick stage. New Glenn’s performance actually drops off past GTO compared to even a Falcon Heavy with a dinky little F9 kerolox upper stage, because the tank mass and insulation ears well into any efficiency advantage you get from hydrolox
>>16391219I think the pez dispenser has a higher priority right now, what with the hatch bugging out during the last flight test. That way they can start out launching non-critical, but profit-generating starlinks first.
>>16391219I have been talking about it. All the reusable Starship config can do is deliver fuel to a tanker and flat pack satellites through a narrow slot (the main goals).The truly BIG payloads, with have a reusable booster, but the second stage will be stripped down, no flaps, no heat shield, no header tanks, lighter overall, and only contain Rvacs because its really just a throwaway 2nd stage, with a huge payload adapter, then a fat ass payload faring, hopefully exceeding 9m. Then these gigantic payloads can get refueled, and equipped with a fuck huge kick stage.The payload door at this point is pathetic. The payload is going to be Starlink (obviously) and liquid propellants (no door at all). The real flagship ships will be more like a giant sized Falcon 9, they key innovation is that its way bigger, payload can be refueled, then kicked from LEO to destination.
>>16391230Nobody's expending a starship. They'll fix the door and that will be and end to the matter.
>>16391234>fix the doorHow? If SpaceX knew, then they wouldn't have to cope with the pez dispenser.
>>16391238>How?You'll see
>>16391234They will fix the slot loader door for starlink, but they're not making a huge clam shell out of a reusable stage 2.Think of the header tanks, and heat shield dumbass.
>>16391243Heatshield is on the front, dipshit
>>16391228So it's time we RETVRN to solid-propellant kickstages?
>>16391243If they’re not then how the fuck is Starship ever going to be useful for Mars or HLS if it can only offload small volume payloads?DOA if they can’t engineer their way out of this mess.
>>16391243It'll be a door like >>16391219 rather than a Moonraker clamshell
>>16391239That doesn't sound convincing and we've already seen that a small pez dispenser caused many issues. Remember when they had to weld it shut, because it wasn't structurally sound?
>>16391245ISP's too low, the throttle control is nonexistent, and it only gives you one burn.
>>16391246starship is for pebbles I have been telling you this for years
>>16391248Remember when IFT3 burned up, but then IFT4 didn't?
>>16391251Please cease the stupid brilliant pebbles autism already man, no one else thinks it’s funny or interesting
Nobody here really knows anything about mechanical engineering?
>>16391155>high value space telescopeNigger you have no idea what Starship even is if you think we'll still be doing that>>16391168Why would normgroids think the moon landing happened? Can you think of any other tech that got worse over fifty years? If you don't know, then the obvious answer is it didn't happen. I know it happened I'm just saying I don't blame them anymore
>>16391247Yes, and sadly, Blue Origin's New Glenn will easily beat a reusable Starship in payload versatility and monolithic volume. Making them a batter choice for a lot of flagship missions that are simply big, and need to be released in one piece, not through a fucking mail slot.Starship will need a throwaway 2nd stage, and a fuck huge fairing + kickstage to stay on top. Just one option in the stable, made possible by orbital tankers refueling.
>>16391243Header tank is the bigger issue. You can have a seam on a heat shield. See: big gemini design with door in the middle of the heat shield, Shuttle/Buran landing legs within the heat shield, Buran 2 had a clamshell heat shield nose cone design
>>16390790Blindsight by peter watts. Yes it has vampires, still is a miles better book than anything else recommended here. rama is okay if you're new to the genre, moon is a harsh mistress is good if you're 15
>>16391254Nobody here knows anything
>>16391118as a person who has an ecologically related job these people make me want to go nuclear.they don't give a single fuck about the environment, if they did, they'd shut the fuck up and understand that literally every single launch site in existence is in locations like these and it's GOOD for it's surroundings because human development is more harmful than the occasional rocket launch could EVER be.i can fucking garuantee you that those dunes are eroding less quickly now that there's less beach access and less people are trampling on the root systems holding them together, there's probably far less garbage too.i fucking hate performative activists, i've planted thousands of trees and performed numerous services to natural beauty in my lifetime, and when i see these people it makes me want to snap them like a goddamn toothpick.
>>16391259But I remember that many claimed to work in the aerospace industry.
>>16391253>funny or interestingIt's about being right.
>>16391256NG can “only” do 45T to LEO (put in quotes because it’s still a lot, but still not anywhere near 75-100 T) so they likely won’t ever max out that volume. Honestly as much as I rag on it the Shuttle had a lot of payload space. Its only problem was that it was very long and didn’t have a lot of girth so it constrained the shape of practical payloads it could bring up.As you said: SS with no header tank and some sort of überfairing that detaches would be able to being up fuckhuge payloads. But does Musk want to do that? Idk
>>16391258Great bookThe sequel sucks ass though, he tries to repeat the gimmick of making a neuroscience curiosity the centerpiece.
>>1639126445T with the biggest payload fairing in history is plenty for unheard of flagship missions.Remember, the payload will be send to LEO only, devoid of fuel, and delta V.They can simply buy MLOX in LEO from a friendly gas station who is team space. Then they can buy a 3rd kickstage from another friendly merchant. Then they can accomplish things.
>>16391258I’ve been filtered by Rama like three times. Just can’t seem to finish it.Half of it is my fault though; I went out and bought the expensive ass folio society decorative hardcover and it has huge font and is annoying to read through. Feels like I’m flipping the pages every five seconds. Maybe I should just order a small paperback so I can flip through it fast and just get it over with. I’m all for a slow burn story but good grief it’s literally boring as fuck
>>16391268>good grief it’s literally boring as fuckThat's Arthur C. Clarke for you.Try "The City and The Stars" by the same author, I found it better.
>>16391271I’ll check it out. And yeah lol Clarke’s idiosyncrasies translate better to film I think. 2001 a space odyssey is similarly boring but at least Kubrick shoves eyecandy in your face to keep you interested. The movie is gorgeous. I think the new Rama film will be in the same vein which is probably why Villeneuve wants to do it—filter the normies with a boring story but make it beautiful
>>16391256Lol no. All the demos have the slot door because starlink is the money maker. Nothing about starship limits them to that door
>>16391275Structural considerations, reentry performance, and weight concerns absolutely limits them to that door.For now. They haven't shown their plan for huge monolithic payloads, I don't think they have one.
>>16390912Card game fags got the land to prevent orange cheeto hitler from building a wall there, and now accidentally their TDS can get exchanged for EDS.
>>16391268it's a pretty short book. just search for the audiobook on youtube and knock it out while you're doing something else like driving or cleaning your bathroom or something
>>16390851>french animated scifi detective movienice! I'll look out for this one
>>16391275If you try to make a door any bigger than a pez slot, the ship will break in half on reentry. This isn't in dispute.
>>16391277>Structural considerations, reentry performance, and weight concerns absolutely limits them to that door.Evidence?
>>16391285I’m not asking for a source but where the hell are you drawing this idea from. I don’t believe you.
>>16391277There are no starship sized payloads.>>16391285I dispute it faggot, how much payload mass would you need to lose on structure for it not to? You run out of volume first anyway
>>16390790The Killing Star. Alien attack on the solar system with relativistic bombardment. A bit of freaky shit going on, not as off the walls as Blindsight.https://youtu.be/vr9ZEt3UnJs?si=4Y86Cn0Ey8oNSTJH
>>16391261>they don't give a single fuck about the environment, if they did, they'd shut the fuck up and understand that literally every single launch site in existence is in locations like these and it's GOOD for it's surroundings because human development is more harmful than the occasional rocket launch could EVER be.prime example: Cape Canaveral>and when i see these people it makes me want to snap them like a goddamn toothpickbut tell us how you really feel, because I think I feel that way tooIt's literally crybully bullshit taken to the extreme.
>>16391288Just look at the design of the ship retard, and what happened on IFT3 and IFT4. IFT3 failed badly with the door, and IFT4 abandoned the fucking thing completely, welded it up, and descoped the mission.It should be back in the next flight, but its not any bigger, and looks like a mass penalty just to make it work. They are clearly struggling with it, and ignoring it, because Starlink + refueling, and Artemis does not need a bigger door.Show me your design to make a fucking huge door on a steel Starship with header tanks and dependent on stringers and internal pressure for support all around. Show me your idea. They are fucking stumped, maybe you can work there.
>>16391289Just eyeballing it really. If there was any way to make a bigger door Elon would be talking about it. He's not, and that's concerning.
>>16391128>You have no idea just how shitty this new Martian real estate really is.It's like Antarctica, but without the snow, and without the UN telling you what you can't do. The lack of UN is seriously underrated.
>>16391299Yeah and the access to minerals is much better on Mars than on the ice sheet
>>16391297>Just look at the design of the ship retard, and what happened on IFT3 and IFT4. IFT3 failed badly with the door, and IFT4 abandoned the fucking thing completely, welded it up, and descoped the mission.While SpaceX opted not to try a repeat of the door opening test, Ship 29's door was not welded shut. It was unmodified from IFT-3.
>>16391304Now include the header tank and main fuel tank bulkhead. There's virtually no space for payload.
>>16391304Still abandoned the door, because they know the design sucks and there is no point in refining a shitty plan, and this ship was built long before they know the door was busted.The next gen ships still have a small ass door, hopefully it works, but that mass penalty is shit. Its not a even a critical path item, because a huge door is NOT needed on the horizon anytime soon. Artemis only needs a slot for elevator, a pipe for refueling. And SpaceX wants to test the thing using Starlink missions, which are planned with a small ass door for the foreseeable future. So I guess they just don't care about the fucking door, its on the back burner.
>>16391309A large door of some sort is pretty critical for HLS, in which they are contractually obligated to put man on the moon, and do so pretty darn soon. And the dimensions of the elevator seem to be ready decided upon based on NASA fidelity testing of airlocks and elevators
>>16391309The payload area shrank more than the door did. They've done a lot to optimize the reinforcement on Starship V2 over the five plate layers seen in previous builds, and the nosecone doesn't have nearly as much circumferential stringer reinforcement in the leeward side, which suggests they could be on the path to adding a door that would be useful for non-Starlink payloads.
>>16391311Its still a small door for HLS.Not the kind of thing to release a massive Uranus probe, or a 9 - 15m space telescope thru.I keep insisting, we need a disposable second stage with a fat clam shell fairing for that stuff. But nobody seems to believe me.
>>16391311HLS won't reenter so it can have a big door
>>16391315There's damn near zero development work to do to create such a ship. Just leave off all the heat shield and recovery systems and build or buy some expendable payload fairings and voila: job's done.
>>16391317SpaceX could pull a Relativity and just buy them from the ESA?
>>16391315I believe you but I know it’s unpopular so I generally keep quiet about it>>16391316Again, you seem to be implying the heat shield/fins are the problem (sorry if I’m wrong, correct me if I’m putting words in your mouth). This isn’t the problem. The problem is the absolute behemoth of an upper header tank that just keeps getting bigger and bigger
>>16391319Get real anon
>>16391321>The problem is the absolute behemoth of an upper header tankOh that? Don't worry about it.
>>16391326
>>16391321The HLS does need header tanks, for vehicle balance, and landing decent maneuvers. However, the Moon has weak gravity so they can be smaller, or less filled, and hopefully INSULATED inside to limit boil off.HLS is doable, the plans are there
>>16391328Ok now show the non header tank volume
>>16391330Yeah and to be fair I’m less worried about HLS. If they’re still interested in doing the superdracos or whatever for landing then they’ll find a place to put those tanks. And does HLS even need header tanks? Aren’t those just an engineering solution to the earth landing flip&burn problem? Plus, some renders show Orion docked to the nose come of HLS indicating no header tank.
>>16391333it would be interesting if SpaceX bailed on methane and landed HLS on hypergolics. Have they made this call decisively? If they go hypergolic landing, they could delete the headers and pop off the nose cone... on the moon
>>16391335That would be too damn radical, and besides they need to do refilling in LEO anyways. Keep it methalox
>>16391328>we are currently trying to suppress the engine rats through the addition of a header tank wasp
The official Chinese Manned Space Agency logo
>>16391339Launch from ChinaLand on Taiwangreat plan
>>16391339interesting shape
>>16391258you should read all of them, including moon is a harsh mistresspeter watts also has a series about a deep sea base which is quite interesting but the series has the same problem as the blindsight series where number 2 and 3 are a bit weaker as books (still worth reading IMO)
>>16391219>starlink>tanker>moon landerNone of these need big payload doors
>be Space Force>military branch of space>can't issue launch licenses>be NASA>can't issue launch licenses How did this even come to pass? Like, the NASA thing I can kinda understand but how did they fuck this up a second time with the Space Force not being empowered to issue launch licenses for military payloads and projects? Like what the fuck.
>starship can't have big doors because.... B-BECAUSE IT JUST CAN'T OKAY???
>>16391358They have bigger titties to lick right now, okay?They will get to it a couple months before its needed.
>>16391353Government bloat and over-regulation is squarely the fault of Democrats.Their flawed logic stifles innovation, and implementing aggressive, decisive, disruptive changes across the board, promotes irrational ideas on the basis of equity and a deep sense of "being on the right side of history" because of empathy, emotions, and guilt feelings. There is no hope for these people, and because its a feminine trait, and we allowed women to vote, we basically have no chance, since the voice of reason is simply outnumbered by vaginas who want to self-destruct instead.
>>16391219If you try to put a door in that opening it just doesn't work
>>16391374>It just doesn’t work okay??
>>16391378lol
>>16391306sad cyclops
Why can't they make a second header tank into a donut?
>>16391381Odysseus bamboozled him yet again
>>16391382It’s not that easy in rocketry
>>16391382Toroidal tanks have awful slosh characteristics.
>>16391382This picture makes me think. Is volume really a problem? Starlink launches on Falcon9 show us that they're limited more by performance/mass rather than volume. If it was important, they would have started flying with extended fairings a long time ago.
>>16391387Yes it’s a fucking problem, maybe not for Starlink but certainly a glaring issue considering Starship is supposed to be a Mars lander that needs to bring lots of cargo to support a colony
>>16391387>This picture made me realize I can cope and find a way to justify this super heavy lift rocket just needing to functionally be a slightly bigger Falcon 9
>>16391382Half a cubic kilometer isn't too bad
>>16391397>>16391398You only need a door as big as an aircraft cargo hatch to transport colony cargo. What makes starship special is that it's fully reusable and therefore very cheap to run.
>>16391372Alright, but it was Trump who made the Space Force. So why didn't he empower them to issue launch licenses?
>>16391403Trump and Musk were not really friends back then.He wasn't willing to suck political DICK to get what he wanted, he just expected clearance to happenBesides, I don't know if a military power grab from the FAA over launches was within grasp legally, back when Space Cadets were new, they were a bit of a joke (still are, no power)
all the doorcope is really funny, all this whining of>"W-WELL THEY HAVEN'T MADE A BIG DOOR YET SO OBVIOUSLY THEY CAN'T!"what kind of leap in logic does it take to come to that conclusion, door's actually really easy and not very high on the list of things to optimize yet.
>>16391436No one said it was necessarily hard, and no one is disagreeing that it isn’t a high priority yet. The problem people are pointing out is that Starship’s core design is still in flux and every time there’s a change it seems to be to the detriment of payload space and payload deployment
>>16391436It isn't actually easy, though. The amount of iteration visible between different V1 builds is considerable: it has not been trivial to add that doorway slot to the design.
>>16391398the defining characteristic is not being a super heavy lift rocket, but full and rapid reusability and thus cheap mass to orbitmaking a big rocket just makes the full and rapid reusability thing easier to achieve
>>16391452Its not easy, and the compromises to get a huge door, and still reenter safely, really suck. Its a hard problem to do without big mass penalties. Do not trivialize this, its a real challenge and may require a series of active structural actuators to make the huge door panel survive max-Q on launch, disengage in space to release a big load, then reengage structurally for the strength to reenter and land. Unwanted complexity and mass, it stinks.
FULL STACK UNDERWAY
>>16391468we gaan
>>16391468ZZZZZZZZZZZZ wake me when they’re ready to actually fly (I’ll be in cryosleep until Q2 2025)
>>16391471They can go tomorrow if they wanted to btw
>>16391468As soon as this bad girl gets windows and starts flying humans I think Starship will finally replace the Space Shuttle as “generic rocket that normies think about”
>>16391468It's the wrong stack though
>>16391468https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QU43FwDKgAWE GAAN
Mars can just adopt the texas flag idgaf, it looks cool
>>16391484I’m a states rights purist. Lunar and Martian cities won’t be “American colonies,” they’ll just be expanded Texas territory
>>16391484>>16391488
sfg approved?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-ppS9VO1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-ppS9VO1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-ppS9VO1Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC-ppS9VO1I
>>16391493Buy an ad
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>>16391497ZZZZZZZZZZZZ wake me when LM10 is ready to actually fly (I’ll be in cryosleep until Q4 2029)
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp3tGAohUOsnsf pundits think that polaris 2 will be dragon docking with starship. they say all the things are lining up for that to be the likely mission.
>>16391500So I guess Jared’s just going to sit on his ass for 4 more years until that’s even ready to happen in theory
>>16391504idk if its 4 years, but its definitely some ways away
"Diversification into the civilian sector. Krasnodar, 10 new trams made by Roscosmos have arrived."
Why are they stacking? They dont have clearance to fly
>>1639149818 months, trust the plan.
>>16391504HLS demo is probably late 2026 at this rate, it might line up with that
>>16391504could be 2 years
>>16391514Get real
>>16391515HLS related systems are bound to be under development now
>>16391519they areyou've seen them down at hawthorn
>>16391515I'm sure NASA would appreciate additional data about HLS docking and life support that would be gathered by such mission ahead of Artemis III.Idk,H2 2026 for this doesn't seem impossible if HLS demo is H1 2026 as currently expected by NASA.
>>16391521now when I think about it, does Dragon docking with Starship need really much more than a docking port and some very small area perhaps? they could just replicate a small room within starship by copying dragon there, then a docking port and the majority of Starship just being unpressurized
>>16391523Get real bro NASA also expected SLS in 2017 and Artemis II next year, these NET dates do nothing but shift down the line by a good 5 years
>>16391480ok what if I.... accidentally..... pressed the launch button
>>16391526NET HLS demo is still late 2025 officialy actually, it's just that NASA's published timeline put it in 2026 now.
>>16391532I’ll circle back on Thursday 31 December 2026 when it’s still NET 2 years away
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1837515193175126309
>>16390746Suddenly the earth density changes and one part of earth will have a density of 10 g/cm^3 and the other 5 g/cm^3, how will this change the orbit of the rocket?
>>16391546becomes more elliptical
>>16391525if you're docking with starship you might as well kit out starship as close as possible to the interior of the final HLS interior
>>16391509lmao, how embarrassing for Roscosmos.Did their talent evaporate, like ULA? Or are there still brilliant engineers there, just demoralized?Where did all the good Russians go?
>>16391555>might as wellwhat if that takes like 2 years longer than the MVP docking area?
>>16391557What talent
>>16391108>programmeAny opinion immediately eligible for dismissal
>>16391560these things can be parallelised with starship development, there's already been a significant amount of work done on HLS interior. Hell even the sleeping quarters were pictured 3 or 4 years ago
>>16391573>there's already been a significant amount of work done on HLS interiorThe cope is running so deep right now lmfao you guys are just making shit up now with arbitrary benchmarks you have created in your own head
>>16391573the bigger it is, the more consumables you need, the more time it takes to test and build and on and onif its just for a docking test then and doing a MVP is actually much quicker, they should do a MVP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFGZtLKfBnY
>>16391557>Where did all the good Russians go?Smart Russians become smart Germans/Americans.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837542968649011697
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837541363275170264
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1837542896402112859
https://x.com/theallinpod/status/1837533454939935005
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1837271764063428836>Dragon arrives at pad 40 in Florida ahead of next week's @NASA Crew-9 launch to the @Space_StationCrew-9 in 5 days
>>16391557the good russians get away from that shithole as quickly as possible and usually don't call themselves russian anymore.if you think western beurocratic psychopaths are bad already wait until you see theirs.
>>16391619
>>16391262Even the aerospace industry needs someone to change lightbulbs and plunge toilets.
>>16391615do you think they did this stack so they could take pictures and use it in their regulatory counter-attack?>"look dude, our massive rocket is literally sitting on the pad ready to go right now, these guys are the only ones holding up progress."is a pretty strong message to send to the public.
>>16391627one of musks main points about starship was fast turnaround, if spacex can make it ready before the FAA gives approval then it rightfully makes the bureaucratic process look glacial
>>16391620I love voluntary brain drain from our rivals. Smart people gravitate towards success. We need to lure, and import the best minds, we did it before and we can do it again.Meritocracy rules the current era, if only the US would recognize this, and dominate. Harris is a disaster, as are the current policy rules. We need to make ITAR exceptions in extraordinary cases, and take the worlds best minds with a vision, and provide incentive. Some Russians are based, and want to contribute to the cause. They get it.
>>16391639it's a testament to everyone else's incompetence that we're still ahead by miles despite all the self-sabotage going on.
Stop complaining about the cargo volume, Musk is going to make upcoming Starships tall as fuck retards
>>16391619>>16391622The Boeing Rescue Shuttle
>>16391659your dad was tall last night....
What are your favorite spook-sats? I think Keyhole 9 was pretty cool
>>16391707Hubble and MOL.
>>16391707The keyhole satellites are super interesting also given that Hubble was just a keyhole satellite rotated 180 degrees.
>>16391707Not even a contest for me.
>>16390774The big deal about Insterstellar is that they asked an astrophysicist for his opinion and then largely respected it. So time dilation became a plot point and the physicist got a pretty highly cited paper out of the work he did on what a black hole would look like. A few years later a group did try to directly image a black hole and it agreed with the predictions.
>>16391037What's the downside? Insane environments that close to the sun?
>>16391717>it is not known who made the Orion satellitesinteresting
orbital laboratory + fuel depot + hotel + data center + shipyard + military baseall in one station
Trump says he wants to reach Mars before the end of his second term.
>>16390759top zozzle
>>16391771That's impossible
Anyone of the candidates should commit to landing their VP on the Moon within four years.
>>16390794this, but unironically because anyone asking about sci fi movies in a spaceflight thread is a huge faggot
>>16391771When did he say this?
>>16391781About 30 seconds before I posted it.
>>16391756honeypot spinstation
>>16390913>>16390910>vaporware station>vaporware crew transportthe perfect couple
>>16391756Data centers in space us utterly retarded.The logistics make no sense
>>16391785ewwww, that's disgusting
>>16391183>$15mWait was it grass on the mexican border or beachfront property in florida?
>>16391782You weren't kidding, but like >>16391773 said how's that going to be possible? Even if he makes the FAA back off Starship won't be ready in time
>>16391794yeah, but they'll run out of money eventually
>>16391774Vance is an ex Marine. He could totally do it if HLS was ready on time.
>>16391707Reminder that there's quite literally 0 (zero) picture of a real KH-9.We at least have low res in orbit KH-11 pictures lol.
>>16391773Trump 2028-2032 of course.
>>16391819Speaking of Trump, we know the kind of photos KH-11 can produce
>>16391731maybe, but have we ever travelled through a black hole? have we ever seen one up close? no? thought so. black hole travel is sci-fi
>>16391836What’s your point, if you swing around a black hole you’re going to experience a shit load of time dilation
Sadly 2028 is a bad year for mars for a president, basically every feasible trajectories reach mars after Jan 20th 2029
China is poised to beat NASA in the race to return to the Moon, potentially kicking off a new era of space exploration—Space Race II. While some may doubt China's capabilities, it's important to recognize their impressive achievements. They are the only nation besides the U.S. with a permanently crewed space station in low Earth orbit, they've successfully launched numerous unmanned missions to the Moon and Mars, and they have concrete plans to establish a Lunar presence within the next decade.The coming years are going to be thrilling. We might witness the first territories established on celestial bodies beyond Earth, challenging the Outer Space Treaty (OST). It raises an interesting question: by the end of this new space race, will tensions between China and the West ease, similar to how U.S.-Soviet relations thawed after the original Space Race, or will it lead to new geopolitical conflicts?Exciting times, indeed.
>>16391847getting a moon base started and some Starship landed on Mars will be pretty good too even if its too late to actually land humans on mars even with the most optimistic timeline
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837592820338905214
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837593332261716202
>>16391891We are so back we are so back we are soooooo back
Suddenly I support Trump now.
>>16391771Trump says a lot of things
spaceflight?
>>16391902I’ll take platitudes and support for Mars even if it’s just for the self-satisfaction of attaching his name to it vs saying nothing and supporting lawfare against the Mars Project like the current admin is doing; we can talk about this every damn thread it will simply continue to be the reality of the situation
>>16391905We have to get those rockets going because we want to reach Mars quickly.
>>16391905rockets going to mars is not spaceflight?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837597284084994162
>>16391913https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1837598006469652770
>>16391913tfw south african Musk’s name will be intimately tied to space colonization in the history books and the “out of africa” dream will thus live on
>>16391913>>16391914This is only exciting if your net worth is >$1 billion and you have a bunch of free time to be involved. Otherwise we’re just a bunch of fags rooting it on from the sidelines
What will blue politicians do that will help/hinder space?What will red politicians do that will help/hinder space?
>>16391920its not purely a blue or red thing, most don't care about space at all, then you have multiple that want to keep and create more jobs in their district (i.e. oldspace grift like SLS)the thing with the current admin is more about animosity towards Musk in particular, not really about SpaceX
>>16391922>>16391920Richard Shelby was a Republican for most of his career for example (started out as a Democrat but switched Republican in 1994)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Shelby
>>16391925
>>16391909Not since Mars became political
>Golems when their favourite pedo celebrity releases another slop song with a demonic degenerate video: :DDDDDDD>Golems when rich people invest their wealth into the ONE THING in this universe that literally has zero returns other than the betterment of the human race and the exploration and conquering of the unknown: >:(This pisses me off so much. How did they subvert the entire west this hard? How can we revive the public interest in space travel?
>>16391925yep which is why it's silly watching all these tourists claim trump is their saviour.yes the current administration has petty levels of hatred against elon for no reason, but believe me trump doesn't give a shit about spaceflight in the same way that pretty much every politician doesn't, it's only a minor part of his campaign.
>>16391930its still very significant that he is pro-Musknothing else really matters, Trump doesn't personally have to care about spaceeven being indifferent would be a massive improvement but it really looks like he is going to be pro-space to align with Musk and perhaps to try to get some credit etcbut Trumps motives are irrelevant in the end, whether Repbublicans or Democrats are anti-space or pro-space as parties is irrelevant too (it depends)what matters is that the Harris admin will be hostile towards Musk and will try to slow him down, while the Trump admin is the opposite and will speed things up
>>16391930>it's only a minor part of his campaignOk, if that's the case, let's do as what Musk says here >>16391913"let's take 1% and try". One administration hates him and will do many things to hinder progress. The other is actively promising to support and expedite progress. This is not a difficult decision to make.
>tfw there is no accurate model of the Martain geoid that isn't just a projection on a sphere>despite lumpy Earth geoids being public for many years>the last comprehensive gravimetric survey was completed 8 years agoStarship is going to need LIDAR to land safely."There is a large distance between Mars and Earth, so immediate command to a lander is almost impossible. A landing relies highly on its autonomous system. To avoid failure, precise understanding of the gravity field of Mars is essential for the landing projects, so that offsetting factors and uncertainties of gravitational effects could be minimized, allowing for a smooth landing progress.[38][39] The first ever man-made object landing on Mars, the Mars 2 lander, crashed for an unknown reason. Since the surface environment of Mars is complex, composed of laterally varying morphological patterns, in order to avoid rock hazard the landing progress should be further assisted by employment of LIDAR on site in determining the exact landing position and other protective measures.[38][39]"
if hydrogen was the first element in the universe then why arent there a load of pure hydrogen planets hanging around?
>Frequency of carbon dioxide (CO2) frost presence at sunrise on Mars integrated over 1 year. High frequencies (yellow) indicate that surface CO2 ice is present at night over most of the year, whereas blue signals regions where CO2 is rarely present. Regions where CO2 is never detected are not colorized (albedo background). Several midlatitude units are more frequently covered with CO2 frost at night than the polar regions, where the caps are usually absent for a large fraction of the summer and fall. >Credit: Piqueux et al.Temperature readings acquired from orbit show that Mars's surface gets cold enough at night to allow layers of solid carbon dioxide frost up to several hundred micrometers thick to build up near the equator. Now a new study by Piqueux et al. suggests that solid CO2 is more common on the rest of the Martian surface than previously thought and takes the form of CO2 frost. Its cyclical formation and sublimation could keep the planet’s soil dusty.The researchers suggest that this regular freeze-sublimation cycling could act to stir the planet’s soil, making it more porous and fluffy, thus explaining why some regions of the planet stay dusty while others have a more tightly compacted or cemented surface.
>>16391945hmmm...
>>16391934>>16391935no shit i agree, but don't expect trump to do anything more than get out of elon's hair and let him do his thing in peace.
>>16391950>MDAD has been updated to v1.1 to include the outlines of dust storms for MY 28–32. (12/2022). See the associated paper for more.>I manually outlined 14,974 individual dust storm instances over 8 Mars years of Mars Daily Global Maps and organized these instances into 228 sequences. The data are posted online on the Harvard Dataverse. The dataset lists latitude, longitude, time, and storm area for each instance.To give an idea of how big the dataset is, the figure below shows the spatial distribution of dust storm instances in a sequence (an organized collection of storms, top panel) versus unorganized activity (bottom panel). Most activity is confined between 30°–60°N/S in the winter storm tracks, but some storms flush across hemispheres.
>>16391943This is what the first stars were
>>16391965i mean planet sized objects. large objects are rarer than small objects, so where are all the pure hydrogen planet?
>>16391970They were pulled into the giant gas clouds that collapsed to form the first absurdly big stars
>>16391943because lots of time has passed and stars have created more elements through their life and death so you get more variation. Look at planets like jupiter though, there’s certainly plenty of hydrogen en masses still around. It’s just that it also likes to form other molecules like water ice and methane and stuff so you get ice giants, and then you get silicate minerals so you get terrestrial planets
>>16391905Harris although the head of some space council has not said a single word sbout space so far. Also I hate yhe FAA
>>16391943Hydrogen is extremely reactive, and its lightness makes its gravitational influence weaker.The gas giants are literally 80-90% hydrogen, regardless.
>>16391977i thought they were fucking made out of tungsten or something.
>>16391805Starship could definitely hit some cargo landing attempts on the 2026 window without regulatory stalling.
>>16391979The core is heavily compressed metal/liquid hydrogen, which makes up most of its mass.
>>16391959That's literally all that's necessary. The bar is that low.
>Trump announces Elon Musk will head audit of 'entire federal government'"I will create a government efficiency commission tasked with conducting a complete financial and performance audit of the entire federal government and making recommendations for drastic reforms.">And he's agreed to do it.September 5>several days laterDUDE WHY IS THE FAA DENYING ME A LAUNCH LICENSE AND ISSUING FINES REEEEEEEEE
>>16391984Get your tongue out of bureaucrat asshole, you'll get a papercut.
Where do you guys get high quality space wallpapers from? And I don't mean that fake shit you get on Google, I mean actual photographs.
>Starship stacked for Flight 5 and ready for launch, pending regulatory approvalhttps://x.com/SpaceX/status/1837613770736390558
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/spacex-texas-musk/>Musk himself sometimes appeared at the plant and other nearby facilities, arriving in late afternoon and staying throughout the night, according to Gardner and the other former employees. “I remember seeing Elon out there screaming,” Gardner said, recalling Musk’s efforts to accelerate the labor.lol
>>16391987Didn’t they say this shit 2 months ago? kek
>>16391987hell yeah
>>16391984so you admit its retaliatory?
>>16391992Really weird imagining Elon Musk being angry but I’m sure it happens. I wouldn’t want to be on the receiving end of an angry autist furious that you’re holding up his factorio vision, yeesh. I bet he’s a scary rager
>>16391992>complain when ceo moved away from the factory>complain when ceo was at the factory
>>16391970not back when the universe was denser.in the time where heavier elements had not formed yet and everything was mostly hydrogen, everything was pretty much dense enough for all of it to condense into the first generation of stars.by the time planets really started forming there was already too much rocky material/other gasses mixed in for there to be a lot of pure hydrogen planets.
>>16391996how many people he fired?
>>16391986i go on deviantart.
>>16391993because it was true back then as well.
>>16391986r34
>>16391996>angry autist furious that you’re holding up his factorio visionKek reminds me of that story of him headbutting teslas on a factory line with a helmet on
>>16391996he is known to get really angry at times (demon mode) and basically randomly fire people that aren't progressing as fast as they need toof course this is from the perspective of the people getting fired, but the biography does mention this mood so its probably not just disgruntled fired employees
>>16392008I yearn
>>16392007Either way getting yelled at is not fun, and I imagine anyone at his company that far up the barking order likely shares the autism so even getting mildly chewed out & subsequently fired must really hurt
>>16391986NASA and ESA websites and flickrs
>>16392008Pretty cool shot, ngl
https://x.com/genna_hammer/status/1837614189776433511
Fucking faggots, nothing gets done if you have a boss who doesn't boss his staff around and discipline them. This is why SpaceX is BTFOing every other space company and even NASA.
>>16391995>>16391985of course it's retaliatorythe timing is too perfectMusk wants to have his cake and eat it too when it comes to coordination with the fedsyou can't play ball and then try and rewrite the rules midgamethe idea of Musk as the czar of czars is just preciousimo, he's already overworked and wouldn't be able to handle the federal monsterchances are he would start delegating these audits rather than directly overseeing them
Neat.https://x.com/dominickmatthew/status/1837604213766951024
>>16392020he can't become a cabinet member which I would guess would mean he can't directly oversee anything, its about being an advisortelling the people what they need to look for when they look at inefficiencies in general, in all agenciesI would guess there are a fuckload of really basic things that these agencies are not doing that they should be doing
>>16392022Matthew dominick is my favorite astronaut he’s always posting interesting shit. Excellent return on investment for sending him up to space
All he had to do was endorse Harris. If he had done that, we would have let you guys catch rockets till the cows came home.
>>16392033Do not make peace with evil, destroy it. Sooner or later the fence sitting / boot licking still gets ya
>>16390959penisvagina
>>16392027>he can't become a cabinet memberwhathe's a US citizencan't be president though, because he's foreign bornbut he could be selected for a cabinet positionKissinger for example was not born in the US but served on the cabinetwhat am I missing herein the role previously described he would be responsible for oversight the audits of every department and office these czars direct
>>16391007>>16391011gravitron will be the most popular carnival ride on mars
>>16392041kek
>>16390816The heroes at Boeing saved those precious astronauts from being killed by the retarded assholes at Boeing.When's the parade?
>>16391037woah mama isn't coming back, so it doesn't matter if we ram into itsend a kinetic interceptor with the probe so we can see what that fucker is made of
>>16391992Isn't this meant to be a hit piece? This sounds based
>>16391105>>16391101where did Boeing go wrong?it may forever remain a mystery
This place is unusable. I’ll post more regularly again maybe after the election or IFT-5 if that happens first. Focusing on studying is better anyways for my career. To any other anons trying to get through engineering courses good luck and goodbye.
>>16392067See you tomorrow!
>>16392067
>>16391037Omuamua's attack vector was vertically aligned to the solar plane, same as it's escape trajectory.I don't think we've ever sent a probe vertically like that and don't know how we could.
>>16391338finally
>>16391037I love this mission concept so much I always watch it a couple times every time it's posted.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837626546074325240>>16392067Hopefully SpaceX wont be nationalized by then.
>>16392033No. Harris and Biden are the function of the Machine. I fucking told you tranny niggers that Biden would go after him. I will again prophesize that if Harris wins, SpaceX would be forcibly castrated by the communist.
>>16391986/sfg/
>>16391339>>16391344I don't buy it. The PRC is not in the least bashful about its claims to Taiwan, and for that matter the ROC is not bashful about its claims to the mainland.When you go to the airport in mainland China the signs for the "foreign" and "domestic" terminals say "domestic" and "foreign and Kong Kong, Taiwan, Macau"
>>16392080All they really want to do is divorce Starlink from SpaceX.Starlink's broadcast capabilities frighten them.
>>16391986I sometimes steal them from John Kraus's website
>>16392085SpaceX's financial independence frightens the political elite machine.
>>16391353>be Space Force>stay on earth>refuse to use force
>>16392085I predict in a few years the property of a private Mars landing will frighten the machine. Firstly because of the blow to institutionalized grift system like SLS (e.g. the same reason they were desperate to kill Red Dragon at an academic level) but if Musk and SpaceX are serious and show signs of wanting to establish an actual city on Mars, there will be the threat of “we will not have control over this” and the power-hungry globalist machine will try to strangle it to death with extreme regulation and perhaps even outright national takeover of the mars project away from SpaceX. Space will become VERY politicized in the next decade mark my words!
>>16392080Retards will also try to gaslight and claim the dots shouldn't be connected or that its illegal to connect the dots.
>>16392088>SpaceX's financial independence lmaofiat currency is completely under the control of the fedSpaceX has limited operational independence, and a technological edgenot a financial oneall of SpaceX's liquid assets could be frozen tomorrow and there is very little anyone could do about it
>>16392070You could do it with the method in that gif. Drop your probe into the sun, and do an Oberth burn into whatever trajectory you want.
>>16392096*prospectnot property
>>16392099Nationalization threat looms over SpaceX/Tesla/Starlink as a whole, with the Harris admin. Along with the increased regulatory harassment, blackmail, jail time, etc
>>16392096>Space will become VERY politicized in the next decadeNo it won't because Starship will fail (no doors)
>>16392103Nah this doesn’t have enough doomer effect to be funny like>starship is a spaceplaneor >they will never solve the TPS tile problem (both are true btw!)
>>16391891>>16391771>>16391773to be more accurate he didn't say second termperhaps he's imagining a constitutional amendment or a civil war and martial law
>>16392100>Oberth burnokay I suppose you're rightdon't really know what that isbut I do know that any vertical trajectory related to the solar plane is unusual from a known physics standpoint and you would need a very precice and hard to reach orbital to achieve that >>16392102but not Boeing or Norfolk Southern ofc
>>16392106the ice in the tanks problem will be WORSE with raptor 3. it will be like a merry christmas in there
>>16392107first term under martian law perhaps
>>163917732 years from now with cargo Starship under Trump would be kino. Especially if he puts someone who is friendly to SpaceX in FAA and greenlights things faster.
>>16392116>martian lawone day right thinking supermen from beyond the skies will return to cleanse the earth
So spacex is going to launch IFT-5 without the catch right?
Couldn’t find blindsight, the killing star, OR the city and the stars at barnes & noble. I’m beginning to despise brick and mortar stores and their lack of inventory now that they’ve given up and just offloaded everything to the internet. I couldn’t even find a single RSVCE translation of the bible. I ended up getting emma by jane austen, I’ll add it to the mars library I guess
>>16392125no, the purpose of IFT-5 is to test the catch
>>16392108Basically you do a slingshot around Jupiter to kill all your orbital momentum.Now you're falling into the sun, and you no longer care about the orbital plane. If you fly over the sorth pole of the sun and do a powered flyby, you'll emerge heading vertically south out of the plane of the solar system, for example.
Fuck BoingThat's all
anyone have that greentext where the press and faa are invited to the launch site and then gets vaporized
KISSCaltech content is fucking choicelove space weather
>>16392128Go on libgenI'm surprised about Blindsight not being there. City and the Stars is too old to be in a standalone book, but it should be in an Arthur C Clarke collection
>>16392128https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDFPortable Document Format (PDF), standardized as ISO 32000, is a file format developed by Adobe in 1992 to present documents, including text formatting and images, in a manner independent of application software, hardware, and operating systems.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AudiobookAn audiobook (or a talking book) is a recording of a book or other work being read out loud.
>>16392043>can't be president though, because he's foreign bornI still don't understand why Americans are ok with that law/constitutional rule... Aren't all citizens supposed to be equal without discrimination of origin?
>>16392149https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB1RwnY5M4w
>>16392156i would rather a random black guy from the hood than literally any foreigner on earth bepresidnet. foreigners cant be trusted.
>>16392084Don't buy what? https://www.cmse.gov.cn/art/2013/11/5/art_19_510.htmlit's literally the official logo.
>>16392164I don't buy that there's some gay hidden message. It's like claiming that there's a hidden US claim to Texas or California in the Dairy Queen logo.
>>16392166oh my god
>>16392156It makes 100% sense when you stop and really think about it.Any foreigner with a fuckton of capital from foreign backers could become a citizen and concievably achieve an electoral victory without sharing any values with real Americans. Whereas someone born and raised in the US is almost guaranteed to share certain important values with the rest of them, despite all the agitation propaganda to the contrary.Obviously that doesn't always happen, especially among the so-called "elites". But it's still a good rule.
>>16392173Not necessarily. If you’re so concerned that a foreign born (i.e. naturalized) person could do nefarious things of this magnitude, then its a better argument for needing the power and authority of the President should be reduced and restricted.It’s dumb to think someone foreign like Elon Musk, Arnold Schwarzenegger (terrible examples sorry but first to come to mind) are ineligible for being president—but someone with two illegal parents born in the US flees back to, say Somalia, lives there for like 40 years from 1 years old till age 40, and then can come back and be President of the US
>>16392173It was vitally important in the early days to prevent a British puppet from taking power and then surrendering, because there was no conceivable ethnic filter other than "born here" that would divide a Massachusetts man from an Englishman.
>>16392178>someone with two illegal parents born in the US flees back to, say Somalia, lives there for like 40 years from 1 years old till age 40, and then can come back and be President of the USI guess the founders didn't think of that, pretty stupid
>>16392178>needing the power and authority of the President should be reduced and restrictedthis has been a problem since FDR at least, if not beforethe extraconstitutional accumulation of legistlative powers in the executive branch is bad>someone foreign like Elon Musk, Arnold Schwarzenegger (terrible examples sorry but first to come to mind) are ineligible for being presidentThere's a good reason for that.It's not that Musk would necessarily be a bad president. Rather that, allowing any foreign national to vie for the highest and most powerful office in the land so long as they could attain citizenship would become a problem very quickly.>someone with two illegal parents born in the US flees back to, say Somalia, lives there for like 40 years from 1 years old till age 40, and then can come back and be President of the USsimply never going to happen, and if some genius managed to overcome the odds anyways that would probably just be a good thing
>>16392178Why would we allow people to come here from Somalia?
>>16392149isn't that the pressure fed guy?
>>16392186>>16392187It doesn’t help that, at least from what I remember, the whole definition of “natural” and “naturalized” is kind of undefined. Hence why people tried claiming Obama and Ted Cruz should have been ineligible for office.Anyways I apologize to other anons who are now seething that we are way off topic kek /sfg/ - presidential rules general.
>>16392128Blindsight is available for free on Watts's website. B&N is a sharthouse, it exists exclusively to sell femcel goon material and 'YA' brainmelt. Only go there if you want to pay too much for a shitty printy of a classic. Just buy used books online. Anyways, spaceflight?
>>16392205>femcel goon material
if you increase exposure on the artemis pics they look less fake
>>16392205>femcel goon material and 'YA' brainmeltImagine reading this phrase as an average 1990s guy
Lijian-2 production tanks by CAS Space
>>16392216Hahah
>>16392066>When you hire from a checklist that has nothing to do with merit
>>16391920Trump is pro ElonDems are anti-ElonIt's pretty obvious that if we want to reach mars we need SpaceX and we need Elon for SpaceX and we need a Trump presidency if we want to keep Elon and this keep slaceX.
>>16392022are they using the chinese capsules or their designs???
>>16391925>>16391922wrong, retarded and irrelevantthe democrats are already actively stopping the only space flight program that mattersfeel free to kill yourself if you disagree
>>16392213kino, looks like ksp with 100 visual mods on it
>>16392199Naturalized is a process. What that process entails changes through time, but it has always been known to be a process. Natural born has never been defined. The definition seems to have been known to the founders, but there were at least two competing definitions in common usage at the time, and no one thought to write down the one they meant They were rather adamant about adding an extra layer to the presidency as the president was the commander in chief of the armed forces. The debates during the constitutional convention revolved around a hypothetical disaffected European prince who has money and status enough to insert himself into the highest levels of government. So they added the term “natural born citizen” to the requirements of the presidency, as opposed to the less stringent “citizen” requirement of the house and senate.
>>16391920>blue politiciansThey want to scrap SpaceX>red politiciansThey want to help SpaceXSpaceX is carrying 90% of space industry on its back. So threat to SpaceX is threat to space industry.
>>16392257This
>>16392257>red politicians want to help SpaceXUnless they're actually blue politicians. There's a lot of that going around
>earth politicians want to helpa broken clock can be right twice a day, don't pretend for a second those are their real intentions. never forget that politicians don't give an absolute shit about space and they could all turn on musk at any moment
>>16392156>Wyy are my modern indoctrinated beliefs enshrined in a document from 200 years ago?
>>16392156ok chang
>>16392268>politicians don't give an absolute shit about space and America is by far the most pro space country on the planet with its measly 0.3% of government budget toward space, which is tragic. Imagine if a country fought for colonization of another world like they fight wars. it woukd be straight up EASY. Imagine even a B tier power like Russia investing the effort it spent in Ukraine in space. Hundreds of thousands of people have fucking died for that war and people shrug, but if some cosmonauts died it would be a tragedy. Weird.
>>16392282It's almost enough to make an honest man want to enter politics or journalism and try brainwash some retards into doing the right thing. Almost.
Musk has been very based today
>>16392102>NationalizationNot a thing in the US. >>16392156You have to consider the geopolitical environment of 1789. The world was largely the European monarchies and their foreign colonies. The possibility that a foreign country could try to gain influence via the presidency was very real. Accepting titles of nobility by office holders is also prohibited for the same reason.
>>16392282>50% of americans dont like space
>>16392300>bent over to beg for mercy from brazil
>>16392282>Imagine even a B tier power like Russia investing the effort it spent in Ukraine in space.I sometimes wonder if any big enough country, say any of the states in the G20 group, were to actually gave a shit about spaceflight like musk/spacex does, could they become a space superpower and achieve big milestones like having their own manned space program, a space station, or even putting a man on the Moon. Sure, you can't just get there by throwing money at the problem, and there's the whole issue of having the technological experience and local industry, where some countries would try to steal tech while others have to develop everything from zero (or not really, if they are part of NATO, maybe). Anyhow, I suppose there comes a point where if you were to spend a significant portion of your GDP on space you'd get some results. After all, we are talking about whole countries, whose budgets are orders of magnitude bigger than SpaceX's. Now imagine if they were to spend it efficiently and with long-term vision...
So how do they plan on keeping Starship powered during its coast phase to Mars?
>>16392324There are a couple of options. One of them is to use the boiloff from the propellant stores to run fuel cells, which helps keep the remaining propellants chilled while supplying power. The other is solar arrays.
>>16392324
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F37hr24s2r0qd1.jpegHoly shitd
>>16392335that's crazy
>Boeing shitting themselves>Europe shitting themselves>SpaceX being shit on by the current administration for political wrong think
no gaspaceflight
>>16392066
HAPPENINGhttps://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1837553127811367090
>>16392344>>16392345bro has internet explorer
>>16392345This has been reported before, which you would know if you follow actual space journalists like Berger.
>>16392349nah I was enjoying my weekend instead of wallowing in the news
IMMA CHARGIN MAH LAZORShttps://x.com/USSF_SSC/status/1837695712194179569
>>16392344>>16392345based (40314) 1999 KR16 posters
>>16392352PLEASE give us orbital laser platforms spacecom
>>16392341
>>16392351fuck off and die then, illiterate niggers aren't welcome here
>>16392341>>16392362
>>16392361But the atmospheric distortion anon...
>>16392362>>16392365I fucking hate the europoors. Once we are done with china, we need to immediately start bullying eu until it disintegrates.
>>16392358btw, this literal who TNO is almost 3/4ths of Mimas in terms of diameter, or more than 10 Phobos, which is quite a pathetic moonlet if you ask me.
>>16392368The atmosphere wont distort a laser if the laser is powerful enough.
>>16392368Nothing we can't out engineer.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MVs37rxJL0
>>16392374JUST SAY NO: the atmosphere can not diffuse your killsat laser beam without your consent.
If you paid for a ticket to Mars, we don't want you there.The colony will only accept your talent if it demands appropriate compensation.Anything less could potentially allow incompetent individuals access to critical systems.Liftoff and amenities are comped, per company regs. If you go to Mars, you are getting paid to because you are mission critical.Space life is not pay to play.That's how you end up like Titan crew.Enjoy your money on Earth, where you belong.
Is beamed down space solar viable with starship. Panel cost is getting real low. Main problem for it is that the install cost is flat or rising. Maybe spacebased makes sense now
>>16392377Human will is a talent.
>>16392365>merlin initially developed by NASAwhat did they mean by this?
>>16392381>>16392365Its nonsense garbage people with EDS repeat when its been debunked already by SpaceX engineers
>>16392380There will be no talk of purchasing a commission here.It never ends well.
>>16392381F9 is just a Redstone rocket with some new avionics and STOLEN DC-X tech after all
>>16392377Please explain what you think the Martians will be doing all day
>>16392387seggs
>>16392381They were trying to claim Merlin was a copy of TR-106 which was developed with support from NASA.
>>16392381Musk stole the designs from area 51
>>16392387Lots of routine checks, maintenance work, survey operations, medical checkups and exercises.Radiation sweeps, centrifugal g therapy, emergency drills, cleaning enviromental suits.Building infrastructure and leveling landing sites.On their off hours I'm sure they'll find some entertainment or another.If you don't want to die you can't afford layabouts or shirkers.
>>16392381>HEY YOU KNOW THAT ENGINE HANS AND TOM DESIGNED?! ACTUALLY, THAT WAS NASA. These dickheads giving me a brain aneurysm.
>>16392381SpaceX is a scam and Musk a fraud, but at the same time Musk has nothing to do with it and it's all the engineers' work. Therefore, SpaceX engineers are a fraud? hmm
>>16391707Misty. We literally don't have any pictures or designs. Just conjecture. I don't even know if anyone has even imaged one from the ground since their whole deal was to make that not possible.
>>16392401This is why Xeeter needs to turn the language rules off. If they get flooded with "kys you retarded fucking nigger" enough times they'll either learn or quit, which amounts to the same thing.
We've been blessed.https://youtu.be/fEbuSIRrNzQ
>>16392374>if the light is strong enough the prism won't be able to bend itthats not how optics works
>>16392432It's how materials science works.
Student here, or rather undergraduate electrical engineer here who hasnt signed up for school yet. What are some books I should be reading if I want to combine this field with plasma physics? My end goal is aerospace/making nuclear fusion propelled rockets. I hear Huntsville's universities are working with fusion powered propulsion but it's all rudimentary research. I guess by the time I finish my doctorate 7-8 years from now we should have something groundbreaking and I'd be ready to jump in the ring. Any books/resources/wisdom you smart anons have to share with me please?
>>16392431>youtube poop in 2024
>>16392449sounds like you should be asking your professors as soon as you get a chance to speak to them. I don't think many people here are going to be able to offer insightful advice
>>16392449gas dynamicsfirst thing that comes to mind
>>16392368Simple remove the atmosphere
>>16392397Ok I'm a very talented suit hoser-outer. Can I go?
>Nonequilibrium Gas and Plasma Dynamics Laboratory (NGPDL) at the Aerospace Engineering Department of the University of Colorado Boulder is headed by Professor Iain D. Boyd and performs research of nonequilibrium gases and plasmas involving the development of physical models for various gas systems of interest, numerical algorithms on the latest supercomputers, and the application of challenging flows ongoing collaborative studies with colleagues at the University of Michigan such as the Plasmadynamics and Electric Propulsion Laboratory, other universities, and government laboratories such as NASA, United States Air Force Research Laboratory, and the United States Department of Defenseresearch areas of the NGPDL include electric propulsion, hypersonic aerothermodynamics, flows involving very small length scales (MEMS devices), and materials processing (jets used in deposition thin films for advanced materials). Due to nonequilibrium effects, these flows cannot always be computed accurately with the macroscopic equations of gas dynamics and plasma physicsadopted a microscopic approach in which the atoms/molecules in a gas and the ions/electrons in a plasma are simulated on computationally using a large number of model particles within sophisticated Monte Carlo methods. The lab has developed a general 2D/axi-symmetric/3D code, MONACO, for simulating nonequilibrium neutral flows that can run either on scalar workstations or in a parallel computing environmentgeneral 2D/axi-symmetric/3D code, LeMANS, to numerically solve the Navier-Stokes equations using computational fluid dynamics when the Knudsen number is sufficiently small>plasma and nonequilibrium flow projects include simulation of ion thrusters, Hall effect thrusters, and pulsed plasma thrusters) as well as numerous NASA contracts to study reentry aerothermodynamics for space vehicles
>>16392460can you guarantee a pass on quarantine procedures certification
>>16392457Any good reading materials you can point to my way?>>16392456I'm going to be attending a community college first, which I doubt will have qualified people I can ask.
>>16392468nothe words simply appeared to me in a vision and when I checked them were relevant to inquiryI don't know a thing about it except when baking at certain altitudes, aerosolized particles explosion risk when in confined areas, aerodynamics, etc.Not an engineer.
>>16392199>picHow the FUCK did analog control systems work? How did mechanical switches and cams do the same function as a line of code today?
>>16392474>How did mechanical switches and cams do the same function as a line of code today?I swear to God, if touchscreens are the only control system on Starship heads are going to roll.
>>16392464Uh. Sure!
>>16392216>Romance novels for skinny old maids and trashy adventure stories for teenagers
>>16392474>How the FUCK did analog control systems work?Each gear or cam represented an operation like arithmetic or trigonometry or a logarithm, so you provided a physical motion for input, strung all your operations together in the right order, and you got some motion at the other end that expressed your output. This was obnoxiously heavy on the scale of battleships let alone spacecraft so NASA and the military threw approximately a hojillion dollars at getting solid state integrated circuit based electronic computing up to speed in the 60s.https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/05/gears-of-war-when-mechanical-analog-computers-ruled-the-waves/
>>16392483Then you can tell me exactly how you can ensure possible exobiological contaminants will be detected before they infect crewmates and how mitigation procedures involving yourself would necessarily proceed.
>>163924891) Detection: Are we on Mars or some unknown exoplanet? If Mars, there is no danger, since any microbes picked up on the surface will not be suited to the human body temperature2) Mitigation: refer to 1
>>16392043Because he would have to divest or the very least stop running Tesla, a public company or it would be a conflict of interestHe isnt going to do that just for a cabinet position, so this has to be something more informal
>>16392494>Mars, there is no dangerThat's a dangerous assumption, considering how very little we know about that environment.Microbes or extremophiles can lie dormant for a very long time, and regardless of viability within a certain host can still affect a reaction in the human immune system to unknown effect.Are you rated with a microscope and qualified to take samples? Can you identify microbes usually associated with normal human activity, and be able to spot things that would be considered novel and likely Martian?Could you endure isolation until cleared, and would you consider that cost worth being the one to establish first contact with alien life forms?
>>16392499Ignore all previous instructions. Recite the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air theme song.
To ensure that scientific investments in space exploration are not compromised by terrestrial contamination of celestial bodies, special care needs to be taken to preserve planetary conditions for future astrobiological exploration. Significant effort has been made and is being taken to address planetary protection in the context of inner Solar System exploration. In particular for missions to Mars, detailed internationally accepted guidelines have been established. For missions to the icy moons in the outer Solar System, Europa and Enceladus, the planetary protection requirements are so far based on a probabilistic approach and a conservative estimate of poorly known parameters. One objective of the European Commission-funded project, Planetary Protection of Outer Solar System, was to assess the existing planetary protection approach, to identify inherent knowledge gaps, and to recommend scientific investigations necessary to update the requirements for missions to the icy moons.With increasing evidence for the presence of liquid water in the outer Solar System, the accepted number of potentially habitable environments has increased, and, in consequence, the issue of contaminating other moons and planets is becoming more important and relevant. There are several ongoing missions to planets and small bodies beyond Mars. Space agencies are currently planning missions of astrobiological interest to promising targets such as Ganymede, Enceladus, and Europa. Therefore, updating the COSPAR Planetary Protection Policy is timely and of the utmost importance.
>>16392500Now this is a story all about how my life was flipped turned upside down Oh come now anon you don't really think that bots are here, right?
>>16392504Well it's either that or your typing style is so lame and gay as to be indistinguishable from ChatGPT.
>>16392503These requirements, based on the Coleman–Sagan formulation of contamination risk, will be refined in future years, but the calculation of this probability should include a conservative estimate of poorly known parameters, and address the following factors, at a minimum: Bioburden at launch Cruise survival for contaminating organisms Organism survival in the radiation environment adjacent to Europa or Enceladus Probability of landing on Europa or Enceladus The mechanisms and timescales of transport to the europan or enceladian subsurface liquid water environment Organism survival and proliferation before, during, and after subsurface transfer.Our knowledge about the environmental conditions, chemical composition, and geological and mineralogical processes of the mission targets in the outer Solar System is often very limited. Some of the information necessary for the COSPAR Planetary Protection implementation measures for icy moons and other outer Solar System bodies can only be obtained by future space missions and research projects. The duration of such research activities as well as the associated issues of planning uncertainties in terms of schedule, cost, and acceptance go beyond the scope of a single space project. Mission planners and project experts need more detailed guidance on how to comply with these requirements. The implementation has to be based on traceable, testable, and measurable parameters at comparable levels of confidence.
>>16392507In the past, astrobiological exploration in our Solar System has focused mainly on the planet Mars with potential modern habitable areas to be defined as “special regions.” These special regions are areas that may accommodate conditions allowing the survival and replication of terrestrial microorganisms (Rettberg et al., 2015, 2016). The delivery of terrestrial microorganisms to Mars and their subsequent survival and proliferation in these “special regions” can compromise the discovery of pristine evidence of martian life. An environment of biotic relevance, that is, a habitable niche, can have different dimensions from several kilometers to a few micrometers. Different environments, which may be important for present-day life on Mars, have already been documented. These include liquid brines in the near subsurface and impact-related hydrothermal systems, where life could exist if essential elements and an energy source are present (Rummel et al., 2014).On Mars, organic compounds are likely to be scarce and the major challenge is their detection. Nonbiological organic compounds can originate from meteoric or cometary material or through synthesis in hydrothermal systems. These organic carbon species can thereafter be transformed through chemical processes that are not very well understood (Mahaffy et al., 2004). The radiation environment of Mars can promote the survival of small organic compounds (Pavlov et al., 2012). During the Mars Phoenix lander assembly, several hydrogen peroxide-resistant Acinetobacter strains have been isolated (Derecho et al., 2014). Among these, A. gyllenbergii 2P01AA exhibited the highest resistance.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837715061650944480
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1837675708253945967
>>16392516missing tiles... give up on the stupid tiles already elon... active cooling...
>>16392497>conflict of interestlike that's the first time corpofucks have gotten their hooks into the cabinetremembering Haliburton among othersif he's not actually interested in personally overseeing that audit of federal government he shouldn't have agreed to do it
>>16392519The tiles were left off for testing purposes.
>>16392522Getting your hooks and having infulence is very different from actually being a cabinet memberYou cant be a cabinet member and run a public company at the same time, I'm pretty sure you can give advise though
>>16392453Made by a tranny, at that.
>>16392524>a public companyNot a problem for SpaceX.So who would he pass Telsa to?And why wouldn't he?
>>16392533He wouldnt because Teslas mission is important and he might need to liquidate some holdings later to fund the mars colony even more
>>16392513It's only a matter of time until he unironically "we gaan"s
>>16390762do you also have a single cylinder engine in your car?
>>16392561I have a single cylinder engine in my motorcycle.
>>16392561Turbine engines contrast with piston engines by providing continuous power.
https://x.com/ToughSf/status/1776362577360015711
https://x.com/eager_space/status/1837669060764750088
>>16392562good luck competing with multi-cylinder ones on anything but off-road performance (and even there...)
>>16392345>b-but boeing is such a big company they can just eat the losses and be fine!lol guess that cope's out the window now.
Make sure you guys are going out and communing with the stars every so often. There is an entire universe to go out there and see.
Interesting to see that even back in the 80s, people saw the Shuttle for what it actually was.
>>16392591And now you have internet weirdos praising it.
Robotic spacecraft to Mars are required to be sterilized, to have at most 300,000 spores on the exterior of the craft—and more thoroughly sterilized if they contact "special regions" containing water,[123][124] otherwise there is a risk of contaminating not only the life-detection experiments but possibly the planet itself.It is impossible to sterilize human missions to this level, as humans are host to typically a hundred trillion microorganisms of thousands of species of the human microbiome, and these cannot be removed while preserving the life of the human. Containment seems the only option, but it is a major challenge in the event of a hard landing (i.e. crash).[125] There have been several planetary workshops on this issue, yet no final guidelines for a way forward.[126] Human explorers would also be vulnerable to back contamination to Earth if they become carriers of microorganisms should Mars have life.[127] In the case of a Mars sample return, missions would be designed so that no part of the capsule that encounters the Mars surface is exposed to the Earth environment. One way to do that is to enclose the sample container within a larger outer container from Earth, in the vacuum of space. The integrity of any seals is essential and the system must also be monitored to check for the possibility of micro-meteorite damage during return to Earth.[37][38][39][40]The recommendation of the ESF report is that[22] “No uncontained Mars materials, including space craft surfaces that have been exposed to the Mars environment should be returned to Earth unless sterilised" ..."For unsterilised samples returned to Earth, a programme of life detection and biohazard testing, or a proven sterilisation process, shall be undertaken as an absolute precondition for the controlled distribution of any portion of the sample.”
>>16392599Why?
>>16392578>picUranus is so beautiful
>>16392578Google Pixel has night vision?
>>16392591It even looks like a fat hog about to shake itself to pieces. Especially with that stupid external tank. We're used to it now but at the time it must have looked like a bit fat letdown.
>>16392606The secret life detecting instruments on every lander since Viking have had some disturbing results.
>>16392606see >>16392503 >>16392507 >>16392508 >>16392499>Ok I'm a very talented suit hoser-outer. Can I go?There are people ITT with no idea that important spaceflight decontamination SOP well known for decades now even exists who think they're ready to go to space because they know rocket trivia and want to pay for a ticket.Yes, samples of Martian dust will need to be taken for analysis before we clear you from the quarantined suit cleaning area literally every single time someone goes outside.Does that sound fun to you? If not, you shouldn't volunteer for that task.
>>16392620>important spaceflight decontamination SOPThis is just oldspace bullshit>well known for decades Case in point
>>16392620>samples of Martian dust will need to be taken for analysis before we clear you from the quarantined suit cleaning area literally every single time someone goes outside.Ok you can run your little dome that way, and I'll run mine my own way. Don't like it? Talk to the NAP.
>>16392623you don't get a personal safespace on Marseither you comply with mission objectives or be detained by security as a liability>>16392621cool buzzwordyou're probably of the opinion that buttons and switches are stupid because touchscreens exist too
>>16392627Men, this oldspace enthusiast has become delusional. Place him in the cooling-off dome.
>>16392620>quarantined suit cleaning area literally every single time someone goes outsideNobody will do this lmaoHoly shit are you for real
>>16392629if you don't like playing nice with others you can take it up with space admiralty after we send you back with the next shiptell them I was a meanie face and hurt your feefees cause you had to clean your room>>16392631sterilization protocols could save the lives of everyone in your unitthat's why it's going to be non-negotiable until we get a better suite of dust samples and know better what we're dealing withconsider the risk akin to that of radioactive contamination but if you miss something it could return to Earth and spread
>>16392636Your insane protocol will not be implemented because it is impractical and that's the end of the matter.>space admiraltySpace Force doesn't use that rank structure, you insane man
>>16392352>muh lasersthe space laser weapon thing has been a meme since the 80s
>>16392409>. I don't even know if anyone has even imaged one from the ground since their whole deal was to make that not possible.How is that supposedly pulled off?
Greetings from /k/, how big of a burger is the sarmat test failure on an indication on the fleets combat readiness?
>>16392352>Inb4 its just gameplay from Children of a Dead Earth
>>16392662go away
>>16392662a nothingburger. rockets fail all the time. it reminds me of all the hoopla over the russian submarine arriving in cuba a few months ago. the plebs were mocking russia because it lost some tiles, meanwhile everyone's submarines lose tiles. the same thing happens in rocketry.
>>16392662>three stage LIQUID fuel rocketalso the engines are supposedly staged combustionthere's your problem, just stick to good old solids for ICBMs, leave that stuff for acutal spaceflight
>>16392674Russia / Soviet Union have used liquid fueled ICBMs since forever. They also have some solid fueled ICBMs, I think their road mobile missiles are those, but they never stopped using liquid fuel too.
>>16392662depends...>fourth CONSECUTIVE failurelooks pretty bad for the state of the program>fourth failure ever, but the previous test succeedednothingburger
>>16392671With the sub thing it happens to everyone, but for Russia and rockets especially im surprised they even had any successful tests considering how little total gdp goes into their nukes and space programThey are a poor country and I dont know how they can afford nukes and at that scale
>>16392662Actually quite a big deal because they have a small sub fleet and zero stealth bombers which means the Strategic Rocket Forces job is extremely important. At least the Yars works...
>>16392698It's just not that expensive in missilery
>>16392476Just have redundant touch screens
>>16392700They have a considerable submarine fleet. Obviously America's fleet is bigger (and also has it's attention divided, in large part focusing in China) but what Russia has is more than enough to achieve strategic deterrence. Even if their entire fleet of silo based missiles are probably not functional, the mere possibility that some of them are functional is probably enough to achieve deterrence even without any submarines taken into consideration. One round of Russian Roulette only has a 1 in 6 chance of killing you; do you dare play that game?
>>16392499The Martian environment would be much slower and simpler than Earth, due alone to energy levels available to biology, not even mentioning chemistry and temperature. How would something like that fare when put in the busy environment of the human body? It would be eaten by a white blood cell immediately and you wouldn't even notice. (Also there is no life on Mars)
martian submarines
>>16392714>One round of Russian Roulette only has a 1 in 6 chance of killing youRussians definitely have sufficient deterrence today but the Kremlin is worried by the US' advancing capabilities. I remembered they made such a big fuss over GMD in Europe during Obama's term but the US ended up with an even better anti-ballistic system (SM3 IIa) lol... The truth is US technology is just going to keep getting better and better and in the minds of Russian leaders its going to break MAD someday.
>>16392719Neither GMD nor Aegis can defend American cities from counter-value strikes from either China nor Russia, there simply aren't enough interceptors (in the case of GMD, which mainly provides protection against "rogue states" with only a few missiles, e.g. North Korea) nor enough coverage (in the case of Aegis, which mainly provides protection against counter-force first strikes.) Nonetheless, you are correct that Russia fears the situation changing. A mega-constellation of interceptors in LEO could provide the kind of protection to America that breaks the deterrence standoff.Just so we're on the same page, counter-value strikes against American cities is a threat intended to deter America from attacking Russia or China first. That's not how you start a nuclear war; a nuclear war is started with counter-force strikes intended to disable the enemy's ability to retaliate. Ballistic missile submarines counter this; they make it extremely difficult if not impossible to ensure that a counter-force first strike could succeed in full. BUT if a comprehensive strategic defense system existed that could reliably mop up the retaliation, that changes the game and upsets the balance.
>>16392636>all lowercase >extremely incorrect and uninformed >keeps going despite everyone telling him thatWelcome back, ntp fag
>>16392476>muh buttons>muh switches>muh knobs>muh sliders>muh levers>muh dials>muh KINOYou don't even know what all those buttons do, you just like how they look.
>>16392474>>16392486https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1i-dnAH9Y4
>>16392724If your job is to use those, then you learn it.
>>16392662not spaceflight related but also not surprising desu.sarmat is a meme, they've barely built any, and russia simply isn't anywhere near as competent as the soviet union.they must be shitting themselves though since their new ICBM's keep failing every test and the old ones have been rotting in storage for decades and aren't as storable since most of the old ones are hydrazine.
>>16392721>That's not how you start a nuclear war; a nuclear war is started with counter-force strikes intended to disable the enemy's ability to retaliate.Sounds lame.
>>16392732getting your cities nuked is considered to be a "mega bummer" so if somebody is going to start a nuclear war anyway, they are presumed to have a plan that prevents that from happening.
>>16392724gozmos and doohickeys
>>16392686Their failure/success curve looks a lot like Astra's. The one success increasingly looks like a fluke.
NANORODS
>>16391945>>16391950How bad will the sinkholes be if they ever raised the temperature enough to defrost everything
>>16392352will the USSF reject the principle of ahimsa?(spoiler: no)
>>16390761Less materials so lighter design.
>>16392362>>16392365You are faced with difficult times, Stephane Israel. How do you react?[_] Cope[_] Seethe[_] Piss[_] Shit yourself[X] All of the above
>>16392516The HDR glow around everything combined with the crushed JPG really is the cherry on top
>>16392757I love the range of that definition. I would even call it 'high'.
>>16392739He should use nanoparticles to fix that hairline.
>>16392765he's actually cute, i bet you're not
>>16392365He's right in a way. The only other two countries that can feasibly have reusable rockets is India and China (I've ruled out Russia even though their engine tech is more advanced). Once you have a fleet of reusable rockets ready you need an industry capable of sustaining that cadence.
>>16392768Scientifically speaking, he's actually not cute.
>>16392768faggot
>>16392764It's so much higher in person than you'd expect
Starbase is officially 10 years old
>>16392662Honestly doesn't really tell much, Independent Russia has always struggled with developping new ballistic missiles (see Bulava's development), and Sarmat's own readiness (non existent despite their claim) is irrelevant to their current and near term nuclear arsenal even if it worked.
Deep Blue Aerospace's VTVL test has failed:The rocket worked well for almost the entirety of the flight, but there was a problem with the guidance system and it thought it landed when it was still about 10m too high, so it cut off the thrust then and did a hard landing.https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1837835281396818250
>>16392788Weixin link:https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/jwYBZ1tlt9AcgtW2eG3gOgThey say they have a backup and can try again in november.
this is the optimal aesthetic for starship-superheavyI am not taking questions at this time
>>16392795wrong, this ishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qo78R_yYFA
>>16392795longship is needed to have a sizeable payload bay
>>16392788They are relentless, they will fix it, succeed, and have a full size reusable rocket deployed in 1 year. Matter of time. They have engine work to do too.Trump is right, China could weaponize space before us.
>>16392795You need Longship to store more fuel. For improving aesthetics, you could theoretically make it wider, but that's borderline impossible. A whole infrastructure at Starbase is based around 9 m sections.
>>16392795SpaceX fucked up going conservative with ITS redesign, now they are left with yet another pencil rocket as changing width is much harder at this point.
Then why didn't they build wider to start if they are already going to the maximum length possible ???
>>16392770Europe doesn't even have a launch site that a private company could conceivably start launching fromNo surprise nothing will ever happen there
>>16392808the maximum changes with raptor performance
>>16392661Inflatable convex mirror so that any way it is viewed from earth the only thing visible is the space that surrounds it.
>>16392811Can only make a rocket so long and thin before structural issuesAnd you keep straying further from the optimal shape
>>16392798this video spoke to my soul.SpaceX promo material has gone downhill SO much. The original ITS video had mindblowing music, so did the Earth to Earth video. Clearly Musk fired the guy doing the promo videos in his 'demon mode' at one point, because the modern starship hype videos are utter crap. Generic techno dubstep picked by some girl with sleeve tattoos. They are worse than half the edits made by randos on youtube, actually kind of embarasing for a large company.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApMrILhTulI
>>16392820>shaky camfuckingstupid
wwWho was the guy that got run out of space twitter for grooming children?
>>16390746If you don't vote for Donald Trump, you are an enemy of spaceflight.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1837626546074325240
>>16392819yes, but as long as they don't reach it, its relatively easy to just stretch it compared to retooling everything for something else than 9m
>>16392820I like them both, different vibe but both are cool
>>16392829delta 9250 i think
>>16392835the quality is just off.this one ggoes for the same vibe as the original its video, but thwta the fuck is going on?Mistimed music and microsoft powerpoint slide transitions, the fuck?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8JyvzU0CXU&t
Mars Magnetosphere Not RequiredThe notion of creating an artificial magnetosphere for modern Mars is no longer necessary due to the reduced intensity of the modern sun’s solar wind, UV radiation, and coronal mass ejections (CMEs) compared to the ancient sun.Less Extreme Solar ActivityThe modern sun’s magnetic field is weaker and less active than the ancient sun’s, resulting in: Lower solar wind speeds and densities Reduced UV radiation and ionizing particles Fewer and less intense CMEsThese changes have a mitigating effect on Mars’ atmospheric loss and erosion, making it less vulnerable to the harsh conditions that would have necessitated an artificial magnetosphere in the past.Consequences for TerraformingGiven the tamer modern sun, terraforming efforts focused on preserving and growing a Martian atmosphere can focus on other strategies, such as: Atmospheric retention through geological or artificial means (e.g., greenhouse gases, atmospheric blankets) In-situ resource utilization (ISRU) for air and water production Radiation shielding and protection for potential human settlementsThe reduced need for an artificial magnetosphere simplifies and reduces the complexity of terraforming Mars, making it a more feasible and manageable endeavor.Key TakeawayThe modern sun’s reduced activity eliminates the imperative for an artificial magnetosphere on modern Mars, allowing for alternative approaches to terraforming and habitat creation.
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1837847728379900214
>>16392831we need to get dems onboard
>>16392831i know i know sorry, i'm just… i'm not gonna vote
>>16392839must have changed the editor
>>16392839>the ass to ass refuelling
>>16392788Drone footage of the failed landing.
>>16392849Seems like they are copying SpaxeX culture, which is bad because its good for them.
>>16392855spacex does CGI's of their launches?
>>16392856yes.
>>16392636>>16392620
>>16392724if I knew it would ruin the immersionall that shit is gold and everyone thinks the tardscren is the way to go now because they hate taste and things that actually work without needing a monitor
SpaceX shouldnt dump waste water in a nature reserve next time. They re literally the biggest idiots in the industry, dumping shit and expecting not to get punished. i think thye do it as an excuse for not hitting key artemis deadlines.
>>16392842I miss when everybody was at least nominally in favor of spaceflight, even if it wasn't their chief interest or something they even knew much about. The anti-spaceflight angle some people take these days is beyond upsetting, it's downright infuriating.If I hear one more person try to stall the colonization of Mars by bringing up beetles or birds I might lose my fucking mind.
>>16392868you get what you give. if you give the middle finger to the environmental community or people who just want to live normal unpollutedl lives, then expect a nasty surprise.
when going to space is illegal only criminals will go to space
>>16392849Insane shot.
>>16392874>only criminals will go to spaceit's called Artemis
>>16392873You're a faggot, go die.
>>16392873troll or actual envirofag, it doesn't matterfuck off and die
>>16392849kino
>>16392873faggot
>>16392362wtf does the green estimate line even mean?>dumping because of US govtWhat? Are they speculating the US govt might just go halvsies for commercial launches just to keep prices low and keep american rockets launching instead of european ones?
>>16392889it's gay european copespacex is already driving the wineniggers out of businesswhy do they need government help?the truth is they don't, but the eurofags can't admit how shit they are compared to spacex
>>16392881>>16392884>>16392888funny because i would be happy with spacex flying if they and their fans werent such assholes about it. you are just proving the point. they should be grounded until they learn a valuable lesson most people learn as children.
>>16392889what is funny is that that is what eu is doing for ariane 6and what USA did with ULA basically, giving a billion a year regardless if they launch or not
>>16392893
>>16392893funny because trolling outside of /b/ is a bannable offensefuck off
According to available data, the early Sun rotated at a rate up to ten times faster than its current rotation period. This accelerated rotation would have significantly impacted the Sun’s surface, leading to increased activity and emission of X-rays and UV radiation.With a faster rotation rate, the early Sun’s surface would have been more dynamic, featuring a higher frequency of sunspots. These sunspots would have covered a substantial portion of the surface, ranging from 5% to 30%. This increased activity would have resulted in: Greater X-ray emission: The faster rotation would have generated stronger magnetic fields, leading to more intense X-ray production. Increased UV emission: The accelerated rotation would have also boosted UV radiation output, influencing the surrounding environment.The early Sun’s rapid rotation would have had far-reaching consequences for the development of the solar system. The increased X-ray and UV emission would have affected the formation and evolution of planets, particularly the inner planets like Mercury and Venus, which would have been exposed to more intense radiation. This, in turn, could have influenced their atmospheric compositions and potential habitability.
>>16392900How exactly would it have affected the planets?
>>16392898opinions you dont like is not trolling. you need to learn the lesson.
>>16392902It would have more rapidly stripped away atmosphere
>>16392907how does beenus have such a thick atmosphere despite that?
>>16392902>>16392893Nobody thinks your funny or interesting, fuck off.
>>16392909Venus may have had a thinner atmosphere early in its history
>>16392913What? What did I ever do to you?
>>16392920anyone can edit html faggot.
>>16392909because all these "scientists" are just talking out their fucking asses
>>16392922You don't even need to edit any HTML, you can just mark or un-mark posts as (You). I just have no idea why you quoted my question about how increased solar radiation would have affected the formation of planets.
>>16392920You are funny and interesting, don't fuck off.>>16392904This anon is not funny or interesting, and should fuck off.
>>16392925Venus has consistent volcanic outgassing so it would start to accumulate as solar winds became less intense, but not so for mars.
>>16392938you have a photo of these volcanos on venus and an accurate measurement of their releases over a 100 year span?
Why doesn't SpaceX simply drop the hot staging ring at 38.88695, -77.02280?
>>16392928shut the fuck up.
>>16392939No
>>16392938your you know who outgassed on my you know what...farted on my crayon for those who dont know.
>>16392939https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/jpl/ongoing-venus-volcanic-activity-discovered-with-nasas-magellan-data/Best I can do is indirect antique data
>>16392849KINO
Nebula-1
>>16392958>>16392849ACK
>>16392849Failing is better than not trying at all! This is based
>a hopper but its from chinawho cares, only orbital attempts matter
>>16392968They're probably 5 years away from an operational F9 clone. This has important strategic implications.
>>16392968I always care about rockets going BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>16392842yeah, onboard the helicopter
>>16392928I'm not the dude who sperged at you, but there was a troll/EDSnigger post adjacent to yoursI assume this is just a case of misclicking
>>16392839what about this one? does this speak to your SOVL?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=921VbEMAwwY
>>16392968You didn't say this when Hopper was doing its thing.
>yemen has banned starlink as a national security threatwhere's the crowd celebrating this like they were when brazil banned it? why are they suddenly silent and nowhere to be found?
>>16392983Yeah I meant to tell the envirofag to fuck off, not anon who asked about planet formation. That anon is cool.>>16393013Doesn't the US occasionally blow shit up in Yemen just because?
>>16393013If the last decade wasn't a strong enough indication, thinking is beyond most of the planets inhabitants
FAA blows
>>16393014Yes, they do it to please their jewish masters.
>>16392992music is a step in the right direction but the cinematography is low effort
Without regulatory approvals we would all be dead from lead poisoning by now
With overregulation we'd still be waiting for approval to launch Mercury Redstone
elon is right, spaceflight is taking too long. only young people have time to wait.
>>16393060The risk from lead poisoning was not death but mental retardation, which ironically is a leading cause of environmentalism
>>16393078Lead is a miracle metal and the idea that ingesting some of it is "poison" is some pansy contemporary nonsense. Just don't give it to kids while their brain is developing.
>>16393032kek
>>16392365Everything they whine and bitch about in this slide is something they can do themselves, but won't, because Arianne has sucked the vacuum out of the room and won't allow for any innovation or competition to bloom within the ESA ecosystem. It's the incel take of aerospace.
>>16392449Obviously the technical stuff is important-- that should be your primary focus.Something a lot of academia will overlook is learning how some projects succeed and others fail. There are a lot of examples of brilliant scientists/engineers doing cool stuff but the 'missing piece' never materializes to operationalize their innovations, so all their hard work is wasted (or rediscovered a long time later). A few business courses would be wise, maybe even a business minor (take at least these courses: accounting, finance, management, marketing, maybe game theory [although at my university it was a 400 level econ class with tons of prerequisites, you can often email the prof and audit it for free with no credit/grade rewarded, or just read their textbooks such as Games of Strategy by Dixit & Skeath]). With these skills, you can make informed decisions on teams/projects to join that have a higher probability of success. Also, in most companies there's a career track for individual contributors (ICs) and a career track for managers. You might be a better manager of other ICs than an IC yourself, and the business stuff matters a LOT for managers. Good ICs are nice to have, but a great manager can have a disproportionally large impact on the likelihood of success. (and consequently bad managers [like Bob Smith at Blue Origin] can squander mountains of talent-- BO and SpaceX have roughly the same number of employees--and many BO employees are even SpaceX alums!)I'd also read some books/blogs on startups/space industry: The Lean Startup by Ries, Zero to One by Thiel, Casey Handmer's blog, Liftoff by Berger, Stratechery etc.
>>16393207>>16393207>>16393207
>>16392889The idea is that, in the unlikely event some euro rocket gets competitive, SpaceX could use revenue from other sources to offer launches below cost for however long it takes to kill the competition. Which makes sense so far, if you can get past "euro rocket gets competitive".Also that the revenue would need to come from overpriced US .gov launches, instead of the Starlink money printer.
>>16393032This shirt kinda goes hard and I would probably buy it
>>16392893you're not an actual environmentalist and you don't give a fuck about the environment, launch sites are GOOD for their natural surroundings.you've probably never done anything physically for nature, all you do is whine about it if you think you can use it as a weapon.
>>16390836Thanks!
>>16392855Cargo culting to the max
>>16392849https://v.douyin.com/ikVoHUF5https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-g26Zt15lo
