gone fishing - editionprevious >>16393207
>>16396297possible orbital launch mount B parts
>>16396300
>>16396288Wow! You mean somewhere in the universe there are false color photographs?!
>>16396300about damn time
>>16396292Are any of those engines salvageable?
How if anyhow is the release of the second season of Rings of Power related to recent events in spaceflight?
>>16396306if you ask tory bruno, the answer is YES!
>>16396292Good thread also what am I looking at?
>>16396306SMART reuse
>>16396308Ask /tv/, fag
>>16396311a painting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoYuXCDWSq8>Starship Flight 5 Full Stack Testing Begins (Now?) | Starbase Update
>>16396311a reusable rocket
>>16396306they went into the water, had to deal with the pressure wave from the tank exploding, got filled with salt water, and are caked in silt.they're not giving you any real useful data other than "shit's fucked, mate".i think spacex just used this to pass the time since they're not going to launch thanks to FWS right now.
>>16396323kino
>>16396323bunch of fungus?
tourist here. apart from the high acceleration, what's wrong with spinlaunch? isn't the concep already being used to launch stuff to space?
>>16396321What if this is testing worst case scenario reuse? it'd certainly be pushing it to it's limits.
>>16396327muffindeniers unironically say this.
>>16396328It still needs a second stage. The centrifuge can't launch it fast enough.
>>16396328uh, no, it's never been used to launch anything to space.
>>16396328orbital velocity through sea level air hurts like a mofo
>>16396328it doesn't work
>>16396328It'd probably work just fine on smaller airless bodies like the moon, down here it's a nonstarter.
>>16396332can you elaborate? is complexity the problem? how complex is a "second stage" for spinlaunch?>>16396333>>16396334>>16396335>>16396336wait, I thought it was working... it is not? it's still a prototype?
>>16396336it MIGHT even be feasible on mars with it's thin atmosphere, but on earth it's just absolutely retarded.even then the high acceleration makes it a nonstarter for many useful payloads including people.slower, longer coilgun acceleration would probably be a better choice for airless worlds, even if that means you have to build out more infrastructure.
>Coruscant Prime[8] was a tiny[5] blue-white B-class main sequence star[6] located in the Coruscant system of the galaxy's Core Worlds. The planet of Coruscant orbited relatively far from it, varying from 207 million to 251 million kilometers.Hold the fuck up, how Is this even believable? Colonizing giant stars might be feasible, but for a habitable world to develop around anything bigger than an F-type star seems impossible unless the star was engineered somehow.
>>16396337the thing they're currently testing is a subsize prototype that would never get anything to space even if it was throwing a functional second stage, it can't throw it high or fast enough to be a useful suborbital trajectory that a second stage could work off of.even if they build the fullsize version it's unlikely to be competitive, it's one of those things that sounds lucrative at first but gets more stupid the more you learn about the many compromises made to make it work in the first place E.G the heatshield needed on the way UP and the fact that you're only going to be able to launch for a narrow range of customers, the cope that others are going to adapt their payloads to be more G-tolerant for this launcher is a meme, they'd rather fly today on something that actually works for them.
>>16396338>it MIGHT even be feasible on mars with it's thin atmospheremusk should buy spinlaunch maybe, or at least its IP>slower, longer coilgun accelerationwhat about mounting a coilgun in a hillside or something?>>16396344oh, I thought it was working already...sad
>>16396342shut up nerd>>16396346you still run into the "orbital velocity through sea level air" problem but at least the payloads don't need (as much, expect a lot of Gs from drag) G hardening.
>>16396316NSF expects Raptor 3 to debut on Starship V2, so Ship 33that is sooner than I expected
>>16396350>shut up nerd>he posts this on 4chinz>he posts this on /sci/
the fact that a spinlaunch system needs a kickstage means its more expendable than a Starship would be
>>16396342>but for a habitable world to develop around anything bigger than an F-type star seems impossiblewhy would it be impossible
>>16396342In old SW lore humans were said to have originated somewhere near the galactic core, it might have been Coruscant or it might've been someplace else, even Corellia. Coruscant is a constructed world, there's a real planet somewhere under the planetwide cityscape but it was settled so far back that it isn't in record iirc.
>>16396342OB's probably don't even have planets at all in many cases. The proto planetary disc is blasted away by the intense stellar wind. Weird exceptions will exist somewhere though. The bigger issue is these stars have very short lifespans.
>>16396350what about a coilgun in a vacuum at the side of a 2km+ tall mountain?? has something like this been thought of before?also, I just had an idea: what about the previous thing, i.e., a vacuumed coilgun... but using the surrounding air to fill the, err, cylinder, as a way to give more impulse to the payload/rocket/whatever by using the atmospheric pressure, and maybe even some sort of mechanism that makes air enter the cylinder at much higher pressures?
>>16396328>faggot here>what's wrong with retarded thing?>I can't googlekill yourself
>>16396357>why would it be impossibleI think the post was thinking of complex life. F-type worlds are considered to be right on the cusp as if our sun was an F-type star it would be in the subgiant/giant phase about now.
>>16396363>has something like this been thought of beforeYeah
rogue jupiter
>>16396357Short main sequence lifespan, intense stellar wind and ionizing radiation.
>>16396360>SW lore humans were said to have originated somewhere near the galactic coreThis always bothered me quite honestly even though it makes for a good story on paper, due the notion of Galactic habitable zones. >it might have been Coruscant or it might've been someplace else, even CorelliaSome of the writers couldn't make up their minds whether or not humans evolved from two ayy races on Coruscant or something at the same time.
why do you retards keep thread splitting.
>>16396370nice. you see, it's true that great minds think alike!
>>16396376why don't you ask the faggot twitter drama thread
How low mass would a star have to be for it to no longer be visibly white as our sun, if it were replacing the sun in our sky?
The earth is spinning therefore all rockets not launched at the poles spin launch. Now shut the fuck up and talk about Starships and Starship accessories.
>>16396381so the soluton is to just make 10 more threads? da fuq?
>>16396375Given the sheer age of the galactic civilization in the SW galaxy you could just as easily say humans originated farther out in one of the spiral arms (could be Tatooine, tuskans might just be Mad Max style humans under the masks) before leaving towards the galactic core way back when the hyperspace lanes were first being charted, way back before the galaxy-wide droid revolt even.
>>16396337check out this OCthing is, rockets actually don't waste much of their delta V in atmosphere, matter of fact they specifically thrust lower because they don't WANT to spent extra delta v carrying the mass to deal with higher friction heating/dynamic pressure on the way up, which is why rockets tend to go into the throttle bucket at max-Q, fighting the air even harder is just going to waste energy.most of the energy of even the first stage is spent as much as possible outside the energy sapping atmosphere.if you now give a launch vehicle a velocity of mach 6 at launch, most of that energy is completely wasted and lost to the atmosphere, and on top of that, the rocket you launched that actually has to finish the job by burning to orbit above the atmosphere, now has to it's own job, as well as half of the job that the 1st stage would normally do, and it has to do this with probably worse mass fractions because of structural reinforcements needed for it's high G shenanigans.it's just not worth it, maybe for lifting raw materials on an airless planet, but not here.
>>16396387ahh, so you're the one who made that thread. kill yourself.
I will not be distracted from a future nuclear powered Europa submarine mission.
>>16396328no thrust generation capability means projectile needs insane speed from the launch to reach space, which means going through the densest part of the atmosphere at extreme velocity, which means extreme heat, which means mass wasted on heat shield.going from spinning to launch involves massive Gs from different directions which means structural complexity and added mass.the second stage and payload need to be designed and built to survive the additional G load.>non-spinning accelerationUSG already have that. it's called electromagnetic catapult.
>>16396337Just to explain why you need a second stage, if you use a gun to shoot something to orbit it will return to the same place where it was launched. You need a second stage to do a circularization burn 180 degrees from where it was launched.
>>16396390thanks for explaining anon.>thing is, rockets actually don't waste much of their delta V in atmosphere, matter of fact they specifically thrust lower because they don't WANT to spent extra delta v carrying the mass to deal with higher friction heating/dynamic pressure on the way upthis is something I didn't know, but makes a lot of sense.but something in a vacuum would make it a little more effective, right? what if you had, say, a looong cylinder on top of the spinlaunch machine (say, 2km or more), and covered the top of said cylinder with some sort of diaphragm, and had the projectile break the diaphragm as it leaves the machine?
>>16396400>>16396390/SFG/Stick Figure General
>>16396393Ganymede offers all of what Europa has and more
>>16396404it has a thicker crust and an ocean that's maybe too deep. No geologic activity
>>16396376don't stage before page 10 next time (if imagelimit has not been reached) and pick a good picturetwitter screenshots, news screenshots etc are not good OP pictures
>>16396406this
>>163964024ASS uses only the finest MSpaint art for illustration.
>>16396401>this is something I didn't know, but makes a lot of senseNext time you watch a launch and you hear them throttle up after max-q you'll know exactly why it's happening. I love learning from /sfg/.
>>16396401i can see where you're coming from but you'd have to extend that cylinder up to about 40 km or maybe even higher to get it through most of the denser air.conventional wisdom of what counts as "the dense part of the atmosphere" kind of doesn't add up when dealing with these kinds of orbital-adjacent hypersonic speeds.falcon 9 boosters do a re-entry burn before hitting the denser parts of the atmosphere, but they still hit 40 km altitude going about 6000 km/h and that's enough to make the grid fins glow visibly through the onboard camera at night.at 2 km altitude going somewhere around mach 6-10 your payload would likely vaporize itself without any shielding.at the point where such a shielder vaccuum cylinder really helps you, you're basically already building a megastructure and might as well do away with the instant acceleration and build it into an accelerating coilgun in it's entirety to spread G-forces.
>>16396401>but something in a vacuum would make it a little more effective, right?
>>16396401as the other anon said, if you're going in this direction you're better off just building a fully fledged launch loop at that point, which is a megastructure requiring shitloads of initial investment.probably more realistic and easier to build than a space elevator, tho..
>>16396414>you'd have to extend that cylinder up to about 40 km or maybe even higher to get it through most of the denser air.ah, I see.. that sucks.guess even a space elevator would be a better idea than spinlaunch then lmao>>16396421kek
Reminder that """microgravity""" is a pseudoscientific term perpetrated by NASA
>>16396425so what term would you use?
>>16396426zero gee
>>16396426lesser gravity.
>>16396425zero-G is a much more intuitive term and also more accurate to what's actually causing the floating feeling.you could also use inertial reference frame but people will call you a fucking nerd.
>>16396426no gravity, 0 gravity. no gravitational acceleration etc etc. >inb4 but the ISS is still greatly affected by gravityfuck off I know what you mean
>>16396431microgravity somehow implies that there still is gravity but very little. It's very misleading.
i like this stage a lot more than the ones focused on negativity all the time.when shit's boring and there's not a lot of launch going on, i think we're better off talking about these far-flung autistic spaceflight concepts rather than re-iterating how much we (rightfully) hate regulatory bodies for the 1200th time, it gets dull after a while and it's not like we can do anything about it anyway, might as well sperg out about which megastructure or theoretical drive system is better instead.
>>16396426Zero G, not zero gravityG as in the unit of acceleration experienced
>>16396438oh yeah i forgot some normalfags think you mean zero gravity when you say zero G
>>16396438but G is the universal gravitational constant
>>16396426midget gravity
If the ISS was experiencing no gravitational force, no gravitational acceleration and 0 g, it would be going in a straight line not a circle.
>>16396426gravity for ants
>>16396438>>16396441you're right, we should call it "zero a" for zero acceleration.but you can ONLY use a lowercase a or it stops being correct.
>>16396444sure, but the fact that it is experiencing less gravity due to being higher up is completely irrelevant to the feeling of weightlessness that is caused by it's inertial reference frame.fucking nasa articles always say "the effects of microgravity on the body" when microgravity isn't causing the problems caused by fucking weightlessness due to zero acceleration.
ISS generates artificial gravity with a strength of 1G radially away from earth.
>>16396451the thing is the Earth is acting with a force proportional to the mass of every particle of a human on the ISS and the ISS which produces exactly the same acceleration for every particle which is in effect the same as if there was no force.
>>16396454actually about 0.9 G at that altitude
>>16396457sure sure, i meant "percieved" acceleration as if we're not being pedantic enough already.
>>16396458mate it's g
>>16396462AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>16396462Crazy to think that it wasn't very long ago when we didn't know what it looked like up close.
>>16396466Having a good day?
>>16396316>NSF is live boys. Haha ok it looks like spacex is going to repeat the IFT 4 profile with no tower catch like we said they should. Now they just have to apologize to the FAA and we can put this all behind us>the booster is piercing through the clouds, we should see the ocean in any second now>what the fuck>ELON WHAT THE FUCK
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1838624739201552627
>>16396404>>16396405Is there any proof Ganymede and Callisto offer water/liquids?
>>16396487most moons seem to have a liquid ocean beneath the crust
>>16396306only through the smelter
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838627796530467270
>>16396493Deja vu?
what if we made ships wind powered instead of fuel powered?
>>16396495is there any precedent for such a radical departure from the norm?
>>16396487but how can you bust the crust in the most cost effective way?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_zX1JyGgyg>Big Developments for the Boring Company, SpaceX, Hyperloop Plaza & the new Hq for X in Bastrop, TX!starlink factory doubling in sizeI think its for terminal production
>>16396497disgusting AIslop.
Is there still a Tesla factory in China and Germany?
>>16396500yes and the Giga Berlin site is expandingin China they are building a battery for Megapacks
>>16396328>Rocket stage burns Jet-Alol
>>16396498
>>16396498So this is what the hyperloop amounted to.https://www.hyperloopplaza.com/At least it's not nothing. Aim for the stars etc.
>>16396405>liquid metallic core with small magnetic fieldThere may be quite a bit going on subsurface. >>16396487>In the 1970s, NASA scientists first suspected that Ganymede had a thick ocean between two layers of ice, one on the surface and one beneath a liquid ocean and atop the rocky mantle>In the 1990s, NASA's Galileo mission flew by Ganymede, and found indications of such a subsurface ocean>In March 2015, scientists reported that measurements with the Hubble Space Telescope of how the aurorae moved confirmed that Ganymede has a subsurface oceanThe anomalously low moment of inertia factor also supports this.
>>16396330Kinda looks like a rogget
>Seven years later, when Russia invaded Ukraine, tensions between NASA and Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, exploded. The pugnacious leader of Russia's space program, Dmitry Rogozin, blustered that he would kick NASA off the station. But because the US space agency had opted for competition between SpaceX and Boeing in its crew program, this was a hollow threat. Dmitry would dance with Dragons, and get burned.https://arstechnica.com/features/2024/09/in-the-room-where-it-happened-when-nasa-nearly-gave-boeing-all-the-crew-funding/
>Weird neo-communists are now saying that one of the NASA astronauts that was on a Soyuz mission was "abandoned" and was "rescued" when the capsule returned as scheduled...?
>>16396543Literally where?
>>16396545https://x.com/Alex_Oloyede2/status/1838540318079156558
Sometimes the bad guys win. Time to cut SpaceX off the government
Speaking of teats.
>>16396543I can't believe NASA is going to abandon cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov in space until February. I know we don't like the Russians but isn't that kidnapping
>>16396522for now, waiting for tunneling costs to get cheap so the building costs are reasonable
>>16396553But what about the moon landings? That shit ain't happening till 2035 it seems.
>>16396553Just FUCKING use the thing for Artemis missions it's already scheduled to do, then scrap it. NASA has spent 40 years getting a moon rocket ready only for it to be cancelled for another moon rocket. ENOUGH, JUST FUCKING GO. JUST GO.
>>16396553cute pork
>>16396553
>>16396552Bruno is voting Harris. Musk is not. Your choices have consequences.
>>16396499your welcome. have another one
>>16396560Or, and hear me out on this, we could stop spending money on a rocket that's not designed to go to the moon while expecting that it will somehow take us to the moon if we hope hard enough. If we'd gone with an EELV-based lunar program back in 2005 we'd be back on the moon already.
>>16396572THIS CONSTANT PROGRAM CHANGING IS WHY IT'S TAKEN SO FUCKING LONGJUST USE IT NO MATTER HOW SHIT, YOU CAN DO IT FANCY LATER!!
We should've just built more Saturn Vs. It's so over,.
We should've just build Shuttle C. It's so over,.
>>16396576Space Force should take over the space launch licensing and give SpaceX a Multipass
>>16396579That's not a bad idea, the FAA should be for air traffic not space traffic.
>>16396575Are you fucking retarded? There is no "using SLS to go to the moon." It's not a rocket; it's a welfare program for politically connected contractors. They've been running this scam for the past twenty years and you faggots keep falling for it. SLS is too shit to ever get people to the moon.
>>16396579This is the best solution to the problem I've heard yet. We do need some kind of launch management at tracking potential orbital collisions is something that's already in the Space Force's mandate.
>>16396585Someone who doesn't mind working for a company that murders their employees, so a diversity hire.
>>16396580is HLS demo going to repeat this?would be kind of funny
>>16396585Progress is only allowed to go in one direction
>>16396594go back to the catalog
>>16396553Regardless who wins, that's not happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhPSpb5dVdUfeasibility of tumbleweed rovers?
>>16396346I ran the math on this once and you could have passenger-survivable accelerations running a coilgun launcher up the western slope of Olympus Mons with only circularization required for LMO.
>>16396620how much would the infrastructure cost compared to just a steel space elevator on mars?
>>16396591Depends on the terrain of the final landing I guess, it's gonna be tippy.
>>16396622Steel will not work for a space elevator on Mars.
>>16396606I don't have the papers on hand but I know that a wind propelled katamari rover was proposed for a Mars mission at on point. It could work, but a wind-driven vehicle has a lot less control than a wheeled rover. It'd have a much harder time maneuvering close to objects of interest and getting hung up on obstacles becomes a much bigger issue. If you do land in the right kind of low-obstacle terrain and the wind is obliging enough it could cover a lot more ground than conventional rovers but historically mission planners have seen that as a lower priority than precision maneuvering. A ball-made-of-legs rover would also technically work but the criticisms about power and awkward science instrument placement/volume are accurate. Articulating that many pistons is going to take a lot more power that a set of wheels. You can make it work in KSP but that's a lot more forgiving than getting it to work in real life.
>>16396553>scamIrrelevant source
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838640569163354495
>china now has 3 aircraft carriers currently deployedimagine not learning from america's mistakes, imagine blowing your budget on vanity boats instead of seizing space for yourself. future generations are crying tears of blood.
>>16396553>"i'd rather us burn $10 billion on a single lunar flight than give a single cent to elon fucking musk" -lefists
Just watched another "scale of the universe" video again. There is so much shit we will never know. But I think that makes life even more precious. We must colonise as many stars as we can. The meaning of existence is to experience.
>>16396660ASI happening and that solving biological aging would help
>>16396661TWO WE- CENTURIES
>>16396632Put an RV car in a hamster wheel. Drop a thousand of them. Let gamers drive them around looking at interesting things. Have AI run facial recognition and tag everything of interest. After human review send a real scientific bot over to check it out.
>>16396660This information may disturb you.Between the largest and smallest scale objects we know of, that is between supergalaxies and subatomic particles, the average sized man is more or less exactly in the middle in terms of relative size.
>>16396699isn't an average sized horse also more or less in the middle in terms of relative size
>>16396699
>>16396660
>>16396331das rite
>>16396650>seizing spaceYou do realize they are as of right now still about 2 gens behind the US in space right? They're incrementally improving but there is no seizing going on.However I will say that their rockets are very affordable but there are certain bottlenecks in their production process so they aren't launching like 100 a year for example.
>>16396328if you launch something at sufficient speeds to get to orbit you'll turn it into a reverse meteor and vaporize iteven if you get through the atmosphere by wasting all your kinetic energy and somehow don't ablate the shit out of your payload your options are then either to achieve escape velocity (even less realistic) or fall back to earthplus you have to harden your payload against the insane acceleration, which means you can't send anything usefulyou can avoid some of these problems by using a rocket as a second stage, but the rocket has to be extremely shitty to survive the spin launch, which means it's still incredibly inefficient and limited to tiny, hardened payloadsit's like asking why you wouldn't use a Rube Goldberg machine to make toast every morning
>>16396703the average horse is bigger than most things that exist because they weigh 900 poundshealthy humans generally don't weigh more than 250-300 pounds and usually lesssince we already established that humans are very average when it comes to cosmic scales, the fact that horses are three times as massive means they are relatively much larger than average
>>16396328think of it more like a multi-billion dollar party trick rather than a way of getting useful payloads to space
>>16396715hard to believe most things are smaller than a horse but I guess it makes sense.
>>16396328>what's wrong with spinlaunchthey're not MagLaunch
>>16396721>deploys fins only after leaving atmosphere
>>16396716truly man is the measure of all thingsit shouldn't surprise you to learn that of all the things we are capable of percieving their size, our own selves constitute the mean because perception is subjective and limited to our own natural capabilities>>16396720yeah it's weird to think about but there are just so many tiny things that the big stuff gets canceled out
>>16396721So this is targeting a small launch market, in which case why not just go for a Stoke Space capability.lol...
>>16396720Megafauna is defined as any animal more than 100lbs.
>>16396721spacefags: pls build more payloadspeople with money: hmm how about we build more launchers insteadother richfags: BRILLIANT!
>>16396729we do need more launchers though. spaceflight won't be cheap until there are at least 2 legitimate starship competitors.
>>16396732blue origin and chinawe're full on launchers. overfed even.
>>16396715>we already establishedno we haven'tgiven the orders of magnitude of difference in mass >between supergalaxies and subatomic particlesthe difference between human and horse is basically non existent. the horses that were first domesticated were also much smaller and probably weighted around 300 pounds.
>>16396723they're not even finson the monitor it says WINGSSPACE WINGS
>>16396729Actually we want an affordable Saturn V tier launcher, there are many things we want to do but can't do to limitations of current rocketryt. spacefag
>>16396337>wait, I thought it was working... it is not? it's still a prototype?some faggot on youtube said it was already sending payloads to spacethey did one sub-sub-sub-orbital test on IIRC a very scaled down version of the hardware with no roggets
>>16396736>the difference between human and horse is basically non existentone is at least three times the size of the biggest, most jacked dude you ever metthat's significant>orders of magnitude of difference in mass between supergalaxies and subatomic particlesdoesn't matter how meaningless *you* think relative differences between men and horses are compared to galaxies, because you aren't factoring atoms into the whole picturethe individual differences between atomic mass of certain elements are equally insignificant on the cosmic scale by your logic, but really those differences are quite significant when it comes to properties and interactionsthe difference between a man and a horse is like that between hydrogen and helium, iron and gold
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1838687128923808145
>>16396748>highest level of safetyto whom? the fishes in the sea?
>>16396749its absolute fucking bullshit, this retard needs to be fired and humiliated
>>16396748>NPCs are in charge
>FAA Administrator Whitaker made several incorrect statements today regarding SpaceX. In fact, every statement he made was incorrect.>It is deeply concerning that the Administrator does not appear to have accurate information immediately available to him with respect to SpaceX licensing matters.https://x.com/SpaceX/status/18386940042775471211/2
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1838694004277547121
>>16396756>>16396757
>>16396758Perhaps administrator Whitaker would have been better informed if your guy backed the correct political party?
>>16396748This man should be publicly skinned alive
>in fact every statement he made was incorrectlmao
>SpaceX right now
>>16396748we used to tar and feather people for less
its really hard for me to believe this is just incompetence, the FAA admin is outright lying herehow can this be just incompetence? its malicious for one reason or anothermaybe FAA ego is bruised or maybe it is just in fact the most obvious reason, the Biden-Harris appointed admin is obstructing SpaceX due to political reasons, i.e. trying to hurt Musk
>>16396756>>16396757>>16396758Kek
>>16396748>Do you think a two month delay is necessary to assure a safe launch>I think a two month delay is necessary to comply with the launch requirements, and I think that's an important part of safety culture>hijabi shakes her head in agreementDon't mind me, just noticing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Whitaker_(government_official)> On September 7, 2023, U.S. president Joe Biden nominated him to serve as the administrator of the FAA.[3] On October 24, 2023, the United States Senate confirmed his nomination by a 98–0 vote.[3] Whitaker was sworn in by Secretary Pete Buttigieg on October 27, 2023.[4]
>>16396769Why did they put a terrorist there?
>>16396328Somehow everyone answering you has missed the most important part: all the money you save by getting rid of a first stage by spinning it really fast is lost by having to make the second stage incredibly tough, and the payloads have to be just as durable to resist the non-aero forces.
>>16396737You receive lift from the aether.
>>16396434But there is still gravity. You're still gravitationally attracted to the other guy in the capsule. (no homo bro)
>>16396773that might be because I said "apart from the high acceleration". but I didn't know acceleration was a big part of it. the other anons explained it well actually.
I hate the government so much it's unreal
>>16396493>objectsNow show Project West Ford
>>16396660Link to said video?
Give it to me straight, is there any sense in Lunar space elevators? Could they be built? Would they even be worth it?
>>16396748This one is expected to approach land with a CEP that reaches a populated areaThey are naturally apprehensive about a rocket that has up to its most recent flight been entirely uncontrolled in its descent. Why this deserves a delay is a mystery though. Are they unsure about SpaceX's numbers? Are they unconvinced Superheavy will successfully return? Is this getting pushed back for the next administration to take credit or blame for?
>>16396805>its most recent flight been entirely uncontrolled in its descentyou lie like you breath. have you consider a career in faa or msm?
>>16396803If you have a big need to get a lot of raw materials up from the lunar surface, sure, but the point where it starts making economic sense is around the point where you've decided to start building Zeon. Unless you're doing megaprojects like that there's not much point in it.
>>16396806>about a rocket that has up to its most recent flight>up to
>>16396401at some point you're going to re-invent a space elevator
>spend literal years shitting on Webb for being expensive, late, and highly complex>launch and deployment goes off without a hitch>produced cooler images than I could have ever imaginedHmmm not only were no lessons learned by congress in overpaying but I was proven wrong. Not sure what to make of this or how to handle it
>>16396748One of you needs to walk into his office and alter history forever
>>16396816something can work as advertised and also expensive, late and highly complex.
>>16396426微G力
>>16396426nanogravity
>>16396816I'm still dreaming of a 2022 where Webb failed to deploy properly and Artemis 1 blew up during a daytime launch and in full view of massive crowds
>>16396553and yet this is the October issue
so how did spacex go from flawless falcon 9 first launch to 8 failed flights and counting with starship?
>>16396763me right now ash bc I hate the FAA fr
>>16396622Space elevator is worthless, it does half a ton once a week
>>16396830every single starship launch has been a massive success
>>16396816Webb is just IR, so it's intrinsically shit
>>163968341-2 were failures. 3 was a partial failure. 4 was a partial success
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2D_fFFZgMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2D_fFFZgMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr2D_fFFZgM
hey isn't there supposed to be a chink rocket launching right now? anyone know what's up with it
>>16396848Buy an ad fattyChrist is king, elon is based, spacex is taking man to the red planet, you seethe at all three of these proclamations!
Told you guys a year ago fish were going to be a problem, they are the beetles of the sea. Of course, they seem to be immune to non-spacex boosters falling onto them.>>16396822kek
>>16396850because none are true.
>>16396849Launch is a success.https://x.com/cas_space/status/1838726737514975260Also declared by CCTV. 5 payloads on board
>>16396849According to Twitter it launched, but it's flying out of Jiuquan so there's not likely to be much of a Chinese netizen presence. Updates and confirmations will filter out on their own time
>>16396851Martian cuisine will have some particular delicacies, such as baked fish and beetles stir-fry.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUAmHVYFqq8
>>16396822this is fedposting but it's a very relatable sentiment
>>16396867but how is the plover pie?
>>16396867Glazed Piped Plover eaten like Ortolan.
>>16396867>baked fishthere are no parasites on Mars, no sense in baking the fish
>>16396876>there are no parasites on MarsThere are no parasites on mars, YET!
>>16396870>>16396871https://www.danspapers.com/2012/11/top-10-reasons-to-eat-piping-plover-not-turkey-on-thanksgiving/
>>16396877All farming will be done in closed ecosystems easy to isolate e.g. quarantine from each other. Preventing the spread of parasites and other pestilence should be trivial.
>>16396400What's this guy's endgame?
>>16396869How is it fedposting?
>>16396879Ol' musky brother, Kimbal, used to have a vertical farming company that would've been perfect for Mars. What ended up happening to that?
>>16396400but woudlnt that be cool if you could like launch some astro train and have it go low enough that people can board it every orbit
>>16396758>/s/ - Sexy Beautiful Womenbased coomers
>>16396880To circularize his orbit because it’s cool
>>16396883All (Terran) vertical farming schemes are scams. Arable land is far more plentiful than urbanites could ever imagine, and free energy DIRECTLY from the sun cannot be beat by any scheme involving solar panels and leds or fiber optics. There is just no economic sense in stacking farms on top of each other, it only makes sense to urbanites because urbanites cannot even imagine how much space there is outside of their concrete prisons.
>>16396882if you're seriously asking this question you don't understand what fedposting is
>>16396434>microgravity somehow implies that there still is gravity but very little. It's very misleadingNo, because anything not at the centre of mass of a space station/vehicle in orbit will be subject to tidal acceleration. The term microgravity is fine.
>>16396859Videohttps://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:50824074857677335 Payloads are Zhongke-01/02, Jilin SAR01A, and Yunyao-21/22
>>16396890the gravity isn't very small, thoughwhat's wrong with quasi-free fall?
Good things come to those who wait.
>>16396888Well, if you want to eventually have trillions living on the Earth surface in the long term, then you'll have to use some of that arable land. Just like humans adapted and now live on top of each other in these things called buildings, then you can also apply that three-dimensional logic to crops.>inb4 you say that the majority of agricultural land is used for livestock anywaysCultured meat will be key, too. Cows are a nuisance and take too much space.
>>16396892
>>16396904
>>16396902> if you want to eventually have trillions living on the Earth surface in the long termNobody with a single iota of common sense wants that.
>>16396901SLS will be cancelled inshallah
>>16396901space shuttle was so brilliant. i miss it everyday.
>>16396906I'm fine capping off at >1bn personally, it's feeling too crowded rn.
>>16396902>Cows are a nuisance and take too much space.Newsflash moron, we're IN space. Space is the one thing we have plenty of.
>>16396906If Musk wants trillions of humans in the solar system, where are you gonna put the majority of them, without resorting to O'Neill cylinders (that's for the long-long-term)? A good chunk of them will be on Earth, Mars, Ceres, perhaps Callisto, too.
>>16396899The tidal accelerations on a typically sized space station will be on the order of a millionth of a gravity so microgravity is the appropriate word. Quasi-free fall is too imprecise a term.
>>16396915>What's 2+2? AND NO, DON'T TELL ME 4
>>16396748Someone else wrote in a tweet that basically the FAA is really fucking pissed off that SpaceX refuses to operate like Boeing with various bureaucratic and containment sub departments that all can be regulatorily captured in the way that politics has captured parts of Boeing and vice-versa. Instead SpaceX just keeps moving further away from the "tradition" while demanding more out of the FAA and to innovate outside of its revolving door free dealing money wheeling practice it's been used to for decades before their entry.This change is undoubtedly complicating matters for OLD players, who are used to using that massive delays as a way of squeezing the gov and tax payer for more money. And if this goes away, then they can no longer justify the same behavior as licenses and regulatory approvals would fly as soon as available without delay, in turn making incompetence and corruption EVEN MORE OBVIOUS.And so FAA is getting into some faggy nonsense about highest levels of safety and requiring FWS/EPA intervention over nothing burger. It's not about SpaceX, its about everyone else who's not LIKE SpaceX getting ass fucked by the rapidity and evolution of FAA if they DO change.
>>16396921Basically, SpaceX is bigger than all the nation states combined in terms of their upmass capabilities TODAY and with just Falcon 9 with some minor Falcon Heavy thrown in. They would eclipse the entire planet by decades in terms of capability if Starship was able to thrive to the same cadence as Falcon 9, and that scares the jesus out everyone who's trying to figure out the best way to implement degrowth.>$42Bn for BEAD>0 households connected>$7Bn for supercharger>only 5 built>IRA designed for the rest of the industry to equalize or overtake Tesla>almost everyone but Tesla throws in towel making Tesla benefit from the lionshare of earmarked subsidization because they're the only ones charting ahead to the degree that Tesla stands to gain between 15-25Bn in grants as a result of subsidization crafted for a market that is largely interested in dialing back super hard in favor of more ICEPoliticians buy and large are somewhere between pissed and scared that one dude with mega autism managed to leverage the true principle of capitalism and free market AS IT WAS DESIGNED AND ADVERTISED and accumulated power through raw technical and engineering brilliance in such a way that the government has to, in the interest of democratic principle support everyone around him, but in doing so, accelerates his initiatives into a proverbial technology gap where one side is building cars at the other side is flying cars.
>>16396921Euthanize Old [Aero]space
>>16396923>Basically, SpaceX is bigger than all the nation states combined in terms of their upmass capabilities TODAY and with just Falcon 9 with some minor Falcon Heavy thrown in.Yeah, SpaceX has launched around 90% of all the Earth upmass to orbit last quarter. With Starship online, they could easily surpass 99%, basically TWO orders of magnitude more than everyone else combined. If this trend continues, and nobody else bothers to do something about it, they could even reach an order of magnitude of orders of magnitude lol
After Starship is in smooth operation for a few years I hope SpaceX decides to spin up a division for manufacturing commercial airliners and casually fucking crushes Boeing on their own home turf, just as an after-thought side project.
>>16396926Yeah but most of that upmass is their loss-making Starlink satellites that no one uses.
>>16396927Musk's next project should be nuclear. If for some miracle he's able to reduce the kilometric redtape around it with his D.O.G.E. scheme, then he has to kill all the dinosaurs and boomers in that industry.
>>16396927That African motherfucker could use Starships to launch people and land them anywhere in the world in hours. There goes the supersonic plane market.
>life could be made multi-planetary in less than a decade securing our species long term survival>the untapped, near-limitless resources of space inch closer and closer to being accessible and solving much of the scarcity problems on Earth>advances in technology relating to spaceflight as space becomes more and more accessible to commercial industry would improve life for everyone>the FAA wants to delay this future simply because Elon supports team red instead of team blueMy hatred for politicians and bureaucrats is as vast and infinite as space itself.
>>16396927yeah, build airliners out of stainless steel which are chronically overweight and can only carry a quater of the advertised payload and cant even cross the atlantic and have problems with the engiens exploding due to ice forming in the tanks and on the first 4 flights it fucking explodes, all the while the audience cheer on and call it a sucess.
>>16396918Kek.>>16396915They're going to "resort to O'Neill cylinders" or some other flavour of artificially-spun habitat (like rubble piles in sacks). Sucks to be you, a faggot.
>>16396926China's pretty close to fielding their first reusable launch vehicle. They'll have their first test launches in 2025 and start to fly regularly in 2026. None of those are going to be jumping right to a 100/year cadence, but with several of them climbing the curve simultaneously China's overall capacity is going to ramp up pretty quickly.
AmeriKKKa has always oppressed people of African descent. The modern FAA is no different. They hate Elon because he's a brotha, and they hate it when African folx like him are successful.When will this racist organization that is perpetuating white supremacy and oppressing African immigrants be held accountable?
long term living around a star is going to be like living in a gravity well. only retards will do it. who wants to live around a object belching out harmful radiation at random and making it more expensive to mine the countless interstellar plenemos?
>>16396934I unironically think that noise will be a problem in that situation. But it could exist as some alternative, shipping option when you need ultra-fast delivery.
>>16396915The planets shall each be connected by variable geometry tubes at their poles. The tubes arc over the solar poles in turn and at a length such that at no point in any orbit do the tubes intersect the sun.
>>16396949And the tubes shall be constructed of humans.
>>16396949Ah, yes, interplanetary hyperloop.
>>16396935>the FAA wants to delay this future simply because Elon supports team red instead of team blueWhat if I told you it was the Biden admin specifically that made elon support team red
>>16396934>There goes the supersonic plane market.There is none
>>16396944>he used the "planemo" meme wordNever do that again
o'neillfags could be here
>>16396958Silence, fool.
>>16396883It collapsed. Now it's a horizontal farming company.
>>16396942>starts using this on twitter profile>EDS suddenly vanishes
>>16396934This is in his plans
>>16396962kino. Also, I suppose once they nail the booster-catching thing, and avoid carpet-bombing the launchpad, they are gonna finish cladding the tower in black, and add the cyberpunk neon lights, right?
>>16396934>e2epopsci_mind_mush.webm
>>16396901>Is this one of the Starship prototypes? Why is it so rusty? X post from 2056
SCAFFOLD REMOVALWE GAAN
>>16396931
>>16396932They did give him the special tour of Los Alamos, so I have to assume there's something in the works
>>16396966I think they already have lights along the vertical beams but they don't always turn them on
>>16396934It would be expensive as shit, and the market for "people who are willing to pay 20x the price of a normal first class ticket to save a few hours" isn't especially large (the people who are rich enough to not care about that money have private jets and in most instances would prefer to fly on them out of smaller nearby airports). It would ultimately just be a more extreme version of Concord
>>16396974Musk got angry and they are launching right now.Dood aan alle kevers en vissen!
>>16396932Particle accelerators and boreholes for p2p via earth's mantle.
>>16396945>noise will be a problemNot if we remove the atmosphere.
>>16396945>noise will be a problemResearch would indicate booms can be reduced to acceptable levels (the sound of a car door closing). This is like the reusuable first stage problem where everyone whined it was too hard and too expensive and nobody really tried until SpaceX came along.
so if ship 30 successfully survives reentry and does a precision soft landing, would we see a potential ship catch attempt for flight 6?I'm assuming that flight 7+ will carry actual payloads since they will be using v2 ships
how can u support cheeto iron man?
>>16396942
>>16396997>Research would indicate booms can be reduced to acceptable levels (the sound of a car door closing).Can you cite some of that research? Now that I think about it, E2E would only require Starship itself, without Super Heavy, and thus the noise produced would be much weaker compared to what people in Brownsville or South Padre Island can hear whenever there's a launch at Starbase. Still, I'd assume it's still considerable for people living nearby and would require the launchpad to be away from big population centers. If it turns out that this is not that big of a deal, then that's awesome, as it was my main concern.
Does anyone have the picture of Elon cheering with fists raised during Trump's Presidential speech post DM-2? I need it to bully people on other websites.
We need to redo January 6 but at FAA headquarters
chill with the fedposting
>>16397012never mind I found it
Death to FAA
We need to redo the Reign of Terror, but with FAA officials and bureaucrats
>>16397019That's honestly where we're heading. If we're not able to bring them back into line in very short order things are going to start falling apart in a pretty dramatic way, and it's not going to go well for the regulators. The only downside is that it's not going to be a very fun time for anyone else.
Starlink 9-8 launch in ten minutes
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/1838775461306077522>There was a launch from Hainan at 00:44UTC today (September 25). Not a space launch, but an intercontinental ballistic missile test launched to southern Pacific
>>16397023https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Yy3P2Y7FAhttps://x.com/i/broadcasts/1MnxnDzMONEGO
>>16397024interesting timing, following shortly after the failed Russian ICBM test
>>16397025Oh wow it is a zero visibility day at Vandenberg
>>16397023can't see shit
>>16396361>The proto planetary disc is blasted away by the intense stellar wind.I wonder how spectacular it would look to see a B/O type star ignite for the first time and blow the disc away.
https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1838751521175146977Based take
>>16397031which book is he referencing?
>>16397031
another happy landing>>16397032without clicking the link I'm going to assume berger's
>>16397026Probably just a coincidence. In 2023 there were 40 ballistic missile or interceptor tests carried out by seven different nations. There's a lot more of these going on than most people realize.
>>16397008https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19790006829/downloads/19790006829.pdfhttps://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20080008293/downloads/20080008293.pdfhttps://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0376042124000332https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/SONIC-BOOM-MINIMIZATION-REVISITED-Seebass-Argrow/55aa3938fd3b58a5ee0979427736234f158365a7Ongoing research by NASA and Lockheed right now
>>16397036nope lol, guess it was his own
>>16397037>In 2023 there were 40 ballistic missile or interceptor tests carried out by seven different nationsdid they all have a licence? what about the poor fish in the pacific?
>>16396942>that darkeningit's like a reverse "CNN effect"
>>16397033Should replace SpaceX logo with USA flag, so make it looks like FAA against USA space program instead of only SpaceX
>>16396970I do wonder though if you did e2e Starship land a platoon of marines on a "terrorist training camp" out in the middle of the desert what would the db levels be life in the camp when the SS was about a hundred feet up in the air and a few seconds from landing?
>>16394995you are welcome
Anyone see that Falcon 9 clone landing? Even though it blew up shouldn't the US gov be worried about China catching up and the FAA fucking up progress?
>>16397053lmao do you mean the hopper that crashed? Nobody else has even attempted supersonic retropropulsion of a stage as far as I know.
>>16397053China might as well exist on another planet as far as their effect on the western launch market in concerned. They can't launch any payload that contains American-made parts which is pretty much all of them, so they're limited to launching Chinese-made commissioned payloads for foreign customers, and serving foreign markets takes a distant second place to launching domestic payloads. China boosting their launch rate to challenge current SpaceX wouldn't really reflect on the political class and even if it did they politicos a very advanced level of skill when it comes to not giving a shit what anyone thinks about them.
>>16397049except it literally is only SpaceX with a fast enough schedule to be impacted
>>16397029From what I recall from my university courses the process is fairly slow on a human timescale. It can take a photon as long as 50000 years to escape from the sun's core to the surface. Not sure what it's like for the more efficient CNO cycle stars but there's a ramp up involved that's likely quicker with increasing mass but still slow as fuck for our pathetic lifespans.
>>16397038Thanks anon
>>16396423Moon and mars elevator can be done with conventional materials :)
>>16396624Starship is heavy,have landing fuel left over(more heavy), and will have landing legs. so no tippy
>>16397066The landing fuel is in the nosecone. Big tippy.
>>16397092Would landing propellant for HLS need to be in the header tank? It wouldn't be doing a bellyflop onto the lunar surface and would be expended in space afterwards
>>16397092>land>no longer have landing fuelIt's that easy
>>16396921https://x.com/WR4NYGov/status/1838782893633736768
>>16396970Shotwell believes in E2E.If Shotwell believes, I believe.
>>16397117Shotwell also believed humanity will solve FTL travel, this E2E might be based on hopium as well
>>16397121>Shotwell also believed humanity will solve FTL travelThen humanity will solve FTL travel.
Any link to Berger's book yet bros?
>>16396808Somebody has already built it, anon
>>16397155he's thinking about zero G sex with that bug girl isn't he
>>16396816>Webb is massively late and over budget>Webb has produced amazing data from both the scientific and aesthetic standpointBoth are true. I hope more telescopes like JWST are launched in the future, but I also hope that it will be done more efficiently. Starship just might help with that by allowing frequent flights of large and heavy craft for a low price.
>>16397155The previous thread, I assume link is still active>>16396232
>>16397155
>>16396426Mini-gravity
on mars and oneil cylindars, even poop willneed to be reclaimed and turned back into food. resources are very precious in space
>>16396890Gravitational force has infinite range, therefore everywhere is microgravity, therefore it is a bullshit meaningless fuck off term
>>16396426No Gravity, short form NGr
Cristina Balan is a schizo TSLAQseems like Bezos is still seething under it all even with the PR attempts (going on Lex Fridman, giving tours to Everyday Astronaut)
>>16396816>>16397188It was the same way with HST plus the defective mirror issue. People have the memory of a goldfish.
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838761371409719443
why musk never sent anything to the moon orbit, the tech is here
I'm pretty certain uncrewed starship mars landings happen before Artemis 3how things are going its possible that a crewed landing on mars happens before NASA is ready for a crewed moon landingdthis might happen if Artemis 2 is a uncrewed mission again and then Artemis 3 is just a lunar flyby
>>16397229Why waste time and money going to the Moon when you could go to Mars instead?
why there is no hop tests with superheavy to test the catch?imagine starting sh 5% filled with just 3 engines to hover over lauch pad and land on chopsticks after 20 seconds
>>16397234would probably need as much regulatory bullshit as a full stack launch, if not more due to a unique situation
>>16397212where do you think poop goes on Earth?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJceuj30-Z8>China Is Deploying a Starlink-like Megaconstellation
>>16397229Falcon 9 launched IM-1 to the moon.To launch humans you really need a larger rocket than F9/F9H.Keep in mind that the total delta-v cost of landing on the moon is nearly as much as landing on Mars, because on Mars you can do a direct insertion and let the atmosphere catch you.
>>16397234Is it even capable of hovering with low fuel? I guess you could add ballast until the the TWR is within throttleable range, but then your test data is gonna be very different from the real thing.Also, I think they're more confident with superheavy than with Starship. They have a lot of experience landing boosters already.
>>16397214>Gravitational force has infinite range, therefore everywhere is microgravityNo, a vehicle in heliocentric orbit out in the Kuiper belt for example will have vastly weaker tidal forces from the Sun than a vehicle in LEO does from the Earth. Picogravity rather than microgravity. Now to human senses the difference can't be felt but for some physical processes we might be interested in there might be quite a difference in the two regimes
>>16397247Would most people even be able to tell the difference between Earth and Venus gravity?
Crew-9 Ninjas
>>16397256I think they would. Ordinary cars provide a fraction of a G and we can feel that, although that is being applied laterally instead of vertically. With Venus having roughly 90% of the gravity on Earth, and the missing 10% being greater than the acceleration one could get in an regular car, people might be able to feel themselves falling noticeably slower, maybe a third of a second longer, if they jumped as high as they could on Venus.
>>16397280Christ, can Musk be any more blatantly racist?They better all be 100% Japanese blood, and trained in the ways of the ninja, or else this is just embarrassing.Where did this picture come from?
>>16396984gebaseerd
>>16397280they're here to deflect any incidental sniper bullets with their katana's.
>>16397232Crewed mars missions won't be til mid 2030s at best, but uncrewed ship is definitely possible before Artemis III if the Orion heatshield forces a delay to Artemis II. If you can refill on orbit then it's not much effort to send a ship to Mars (but it'll probably take at least one or two window's worth of ships before they can do soft touchdowns reliably). Maybe they should set up starlink in Martian orbit so we can get "live" views as the attempts are made
>>16397294Starship will never reach the outer solar system
Thoughts on space elevators?
>>16397280https://x.com/SpaceGamer07/status/1838755504354464060Someone with an X account should tell them.
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838682150830240098
>>16397300all elevators have space
>>16397300Not possible (on Earth) with current technology but is theoretically be an efficient way to get mass to space. By the time we get a material with the tensile strength that can be produced en masse to build a space elevator, we might've also come up with an even more efficient launch system making it pointless. It's also gay and boring compared to rockets.On the bodies where a space elevator could reasonably be built (like the Moon and Mars), so little dV is needed compared to Earth that a space elevator might also just be a pointless investment there.
>>16397303what kind of humorless loser made this?cultures ARE costumes, japs love american culture too and use it wrong all the time, it's endearing rather than cringe.
>>16397296Mars isn't the outer solar system
>>16397037>>16397024China mostly does these away from the Pacific (to avoid US RC-135s) and on a depressed trajectory (to keep it in its territory). It's interesting because the last time a full test was done was in the 80s.
>>16397311>It's also gay and boring compared to rockets> well constructed bridges are gay and boring compared to a rowboatNah
>>16397317it's the outer inner solar system
BE-4 pushes Raptor v3 limits!
look at this fucking thing
>>16397325The asteroid belt is the accepted demarcation point you homosexualist
>>16397324I'm a bridge autist so I disagree that bridges are more boring than rowboats.But I don't want to give up kino rocket launches in favor of boring elevators lifts.
>>16397331I'm more of a tunnel autist
>>16397332tunnel out of your mom's ass
>>16397328great, now we just need to find a 200 km high mountain to attach our elevator to
>>16397331Its very unlikely we'll ever have anything strong and cheap enough to build a space elevator for Earth so its moot anyway
>>16397328Minecraft villages be like
>>16397336actively supported structured might work but even then you're taking the risk that it will all crumble if the power goes out for even a moment.
>>16397337keki remember once loading a new world and i was met with a 60 block high cobblestone base of a villager house and seconds later the little jew fell down from there and died.
>>16397300Okay, so assuming most of the payload going up into space will be bulk propellants, would it not make more sense to have a continuous pipeline for fluids?
>>16397313Imagine being a Japanese-American student, in high school amongst unchecked bullies, only average in academics, and no martial arts skills. Then, someone is mocking your race like this for Halloween. Imagine the fake Japanese accents and formerly sacred ninja rituals they do when loading up the crew, just for "fun", says "ninja" Rudy Valenzuela.Asians already struggle enough, to the point of suicide, please, don't mock us. Its just not necessary, especially from a rising star, high profile company worth $100s of billions, owned by a racist billionaire teaming with Trump, contracted by the Federal government to rescue our stranded crew, and launch a Russian, just because we "promised".JAXA has been a loyal partner in the ISS too. SpaceX can do it on Polaris missions if they must (racism isn't always illegal), but please not on ISS ones, where Japanese scientists are watching and insulted.Mock the Intel bunny-men, Covid-scare nurses, or something of that nature instead. Please, we have already gone over this issue, thought we were past it.
>>16397325So true!>>16397330Learn to read!
>>16397344As far as racist stereotypes against Japanese people go in the 21st century, you guys have it good. Would you rather us bring back 1940s stereotypes against Japanese people?Reminds me of how a until a few years ago, stereotypes against Indians were just that they worked at 7/11 and had funny accents, and they were complaining about those stereotypes. Now after Indians have flooded the internet, everyone thinks they are street-shitting, scamming rapists, are universally despised almost everywhere and even normies think its socially acceptable to mock them.You should be happy that Japanese stereotypes are mostly benign.
https://arstechnica.com/features/2024/09/in-the-room-where-it-happened-when-nasa-nearly-gave-boeing-all-the-crew-funding/>"We go for substance," Elbon told me. "Not pizzazz."BOEING: WE GO FOR SUBSTANCE. NOT PIZZAZZ
>>16397353Stop feeding the obvious troll who's assuredly not even Japanese.
>>16397344tldrChop chop, Takeshi, your ricebreak is overmy Corolla won't built itself
I was so horny this morning but then I busted fall over
Name a bigger chad in aerospace. I'll wait.
>>16396944Where does the energy for this come from?
>>16397375
>>16397375he really started showing his EDS in the IFT-4 videonothing SpaceX is doing is impressive or is going to work (and you can't use the success of F9 or Dragon to argue about Starships because those are completely unrelated) and when it does work then he begrundigly says ok, it works, but this next thing won't work and keeps doing this from video to videoI would say all the most difficult parts have now been demonstrated, its just a matter of finetuning now and bringing costs down which SpaceX has demonstrated the ability to do in multiple other projects (even within the Starship program when you look at Raptor), so why would Starship be any different?its basically just arguments from incredulity, like the previous IFT video but getting more and more unhinged as SpaceX through the milestones
>>16397229dragon XL soon™
>>16397378 was called a larper by >>16397375 in xis starship flight 4 video
>>16397050If you were going to use Starship for troop transport you wouldn't land in an enemy camp, if you land it at all. The thing can slow down and hover, but requires special infrastructure to land. You'd be better off with a detachable container that can parachute to the ground.
>>16397381or well, not all, I guess they do need to actually do the booster and ship landings on the chopsticks, but they have been landing boosters for forever and they did demonstrate they bellyflop manuever multiple times now (first with 10km hop and then from orbital speeds)orbital refilling is a nothingburger that oldspace fans are obsessed about for some reason
>>16397384timestamp?
>16397375Buy an ad, fat retard
>>16397382Will be forgotten, like Red Dragon, and Gray Dragon
>>16397390Is dragon XL contracted by nasa to resupply lunar gateway?
>>16397387it was like in the first few minutes
>>16397395Not giving you ad revenueGive a timestamp or buy an ad
>>16397397what does it matter if you aren't going to watch it anyway? lmaoalso I'm not the one you replied to originally
>>16397375Only convincing part of his FT4 video>they have the goal of doing rapid reliable reusability>so why are they making an engine that is 99.999% at the limits of its materials?
>>16397398Youtube gives ad revenue based on time watched. So having to click through the video still counts whereas just watching 5 seconds doesn't.
>>16397399>99.999%of raptor 2 or 3?
>>16397399Eagerspace has a good video about that.
Is Starship actually too pointy?
>>16397376fusion or fission
>>16397399its not convincing
>>16397402Eagerdickhead is a larper. He dont know shit.
>>16397378what was in his mind when he made this profile pic?
>>16397412rockets
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838920174302322744
>>16397411Do you have a refutation of what he said?
>>16397411Name a better channel
>>16397417Everyday Astronaut
>>16397416if spacex expect raptor 3 to perform at say 105% of raptor 2, if makes perfect sense to push raptor 2 to 99.999% during test flight.
>>16397419Are you a different anon? Thats pretty in line with what eager space although not the full story.
>>16397417uhm.. PRESSURE FED ASTRONAUT. COMMON SENSE SKEPTIC. THUNDERF00T
what the hell is this
>>16397406Yes, it's forcing some odd compromises on the position of the flaps and the actual cargo bay capacity.
>>16397344way too much effort for a baitpost bro, tone it down.
>>16397422THE THREE HORSEMEN.
>>16396330>space dab
https://x.com/cnunezimages/status/1838619130485702771
>>16396330i used to do this with clouds of silt in the water when i was a kid.
>>16396498why does it look like auschwitz
>>16397432Convergent evolution of efficient facilities
>>16397423>Wilmore>Williamslol
>>16396699so there's maximal complexity at the middle? makes sense
I had genuine faith that blue would launch new glenn in august. im now a slightly poorer man because of it. Go Blue!
>>16396579shes looking like a heroin addict who pukes on cock for drugs. i knew a girl just like her.
>>16397381It's the curse taken on by the anti-Starship people, if they are even handed and admit that Starship might possibly be successful then they lose the schizo anti Musk fans who make up the majority of viewership. Anything slightly favourable to Musk is like kryptonite to their mental healthWhat I find funny is that they never address the pushback they get on every comment section about stuff they were wrong about but they always make allusions to seeing it, so they are still reading it and probably seething behind the scenes. I think that's why PFA said he's not going to make any new Starship videos. When Starship is successful he can always pretend that those old videos were just a parody
>>16397438yes but does your cockpuke druggy girl look at WW2 footage and then shutter at the potential for mankind to destroy?
>>16396462That was my Desktop picture for a while.Remember, friends, it's gonna be hundreds of years before we get pictures from Pluto again.
>>16397441the surface of that planet would be pitch black to the naked eye
>>16396974Well I guess they could re-do Flight 4, but all hell would break loose if they try catching the Booster.
>>16397443The relative brightness of Pluto in full sun is about the same as twilight on Earth. Dark, but not that dark, and most of Pluto's surface is made of frozen nitrogen.
>>16397399It's a good point but something that we've been aware of for yearsI think once Starship's design is more solidified and robust we will likely see something like 3 different launch configurations. (1) will be Raptors working at subpar performance, e.g. 100-150 tons to LEO in rapid-reuse configuration. Likely a Starlink deployer and refuelling configuration, standard satellite deployer, point-to-point transport especially military will be interesting here(2) Raptors working at full performance, 200+ tons to LEO, carrying cargo to the Moon or Mars, working on space stations, in-orbit manufacture, will likely be refuelled in LEO. Upon landing it'll need refurbishment and maybe engine swaps(3) Expendable 300+ tons to orbit, lots of potential uses, maybe primarily for special cases like special cargo to Moon/Mars or for space-based telescopes
Why are ars commentators so humorless?
>>16397437Gradadim Ferocider :DDDDD
>>16397399If NASA wanted a cheap and reusable Shuttle, why did they make extremely complex RS-25 engine?
>>16397444the problem with that it not just that its more work for SpaceX (and might delay the catch testing) but that there might be some more regulatory bullshit which is even worsethe FAA fuckery is also going to be problem for every flight now, it needs to be solved or everything just gets endlessly delayed every timecadence needs to be like a launch a week pretty soon, this might be a good time to show the incompetence of FAA
>>16396942in the far future, cyberafricans and metaleftists will use this post as proof that elon was black
>>16397450Your question doesn't help SpaceX lol
>>16397454RS-25 costs about $100 million while SpaceX is mass-producing Raptors and its price is supposedly $1 million.
shes talking about eager space...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odPnVhT_YAc
>>16397459buy an ad
>>16397455Your cost point is legitimate but you don't want engines at their utter limit to achieve your mission parameters if you want rapid reuse
>if it wasn't for FAA, we would be discussing IFT-5 and waiting for IFT-6what a grim time
>>16397469>he doesn't know flight 5 launched and successfully landed the booster last week
>>16397466>rapid reuseIt's still years away. Firstly, SpaceX legally won't be able to launch more than 15 times from Starbase under the new license. Second, Raptor 3 has almost no flanges and is mostly welded, with that design you just have to remove the engine for inspection to find out how significant the wear is. However, SpaceX is definitely doing that already at McGregor.
>>16397466>don't want engines at their utter limit to achieve your mission parameters if you want rapid reuseSays who?
>>16397466they are not performing at the limit of raptor 3.
>>16397423>Two men enter>Four men leaveIf two men go back it will be empty
>>16397440Sure, if you give her $10
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/18389352633487403982 more months
>>16397495coincidence?
>>16397495longship is looooong
>>16397477Drag racers.
>>16397501longship is a more appropriate name than starship. like the longships of old it can cross to the new world, but it aint exactly big enough to sustain a growing society of millions of people, its suited for raiding and exploring distant lands as a prelude to the bigger ships
>>16397504first longship then fatship
>>16397502Since when do drag race cars have full flow staged combustion cycle rocket engines?
>>16397508>t. never been to a drag race
>>16397510I have, so far as I could tell they used IC engines.
>>16397284>the missing 10% being greater than the acceleration one could get in an regular carI don't know what kind of underpowered shitboxes you're used to, but 0.1g is 0-60mph in 27 seconds, or a 28 second quarter-mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVOgNJH6ulg>Flight Five Full Stack Gets Frosty During Partial Tanking Test | SpaceX Boca Chica
Last night I dreamt I was descending towards an orange world like Titan, but darker like an orange. No ship no suit, just falling to land on my own two feet. I touched down earlier than it seemed I should've, and the surface was completely flat, like standing on a featureless sphere. The ground beneath my feet was sticky and slightly spongy, like carpet that had soaked up a bunch of spilled soda and dried all syrupy. There was an atmosphere I think, but the sky above was black space. I need 4ASS dream analyst division to quantify these visions and project their relevance to spaceflight.
>>16397513sure theyve got the archetecture for quick reintegration with all of it landing on the arms, but what use is that when it will need extensive maintenance after every flight?
>>16397516the planet symbolizes neet life
>>16397504Dang, longship is actually a great name for a flags and footprints or flyby mission rocket.
>>16397385>requires special infrastructure to land.It doesn't.
>>16397516You're dreaming about Chrischan discharging you into orange fanta.
>>16397517pad 2 might be movable for refurbishment/replacement and of course the long term idea is to not need refurbishment after ever flight
>>16397523So they're catching it as part of an elaborate practical joke? Also it needs to be refueled unless it's expendable.
>>16397528It can land on its stubby legs once. It has to in order to be usable for Mars.
>>16397502>>16397508>>16397510>>16397511i wouldn't mind a global competition where rocket engineers pit their rocket designs against eachother in a dragrace.the engines are fueled with massive fueltanks on the side of the track with fuel lines on electrically powered rails that follow the racers.
>Polaris dawn had to wait weeks for just the perfect weatherWill this be the case for starship? Specifically tanker refilling missions
>>16397526mobile pads is a good idea, otherwise refurbishment will be a massive bottleneck on flight rate
>>16397516you witnessed the third impact.
>>16397518>landed sooner than expected>sticky and kind of gross>dull, featureless >trapped by gravityYou may be onto something anon
>>16397533might not be mobile in the sense of self propelled and easily movable, but more like that you can move it with a crane without demolishing it
>>16397532they had to wait for good weather beause it lands in the sea and they dont want to drown the astronauts in big waves. starship should be more resistant to that. but the longer it gets the more sensitive it is to upper level winds. its already so long that flying as regularly as a plane is a complete fantasy since it wont be able to fly in slightly above typical upper level winds. thats the same issue falcon has.
>>16397532they had to wait for both the launch to be low risk and also for the landing weather to be good for recovery
>>16397526>>16397533>mobile launchersYou heretics need to be burned at the stake. This is how you get $5 billion expendable launch towers that can only operate on single use Alabama river rocks
>>16397538It just needs weather controlA few square kilometers of aimable orbital mirrors should be enough to change local weather, right?
>>16397535It was this exact shade of orange in fact, a tangworld.
>>16397531You should go to an amateur rocketry club launch. Hobbyists love drag racing their homemade sounding rockets against each other.
>>16397547
>>16397544you didn't read what I wroteits not a mobile launcherits just a moveable pad, the tower will remain stationary and the rockets won't be on the pad when its moved out, the pad probably won't be self-propelled because that is pointlessit would just be light enough and not permanently attached to the ground so it could be moved away for refurbishment or replacement with SPMT (self-propelled modular transporters), like they use for moving the ships and boosters already
>>16397548The problem with amateur rocketry is you aren't allowed to fill the payload with ordnance. They want you to launch tiny, boring a piece of shit model with balsa wood and paper, with a fucking gay little parachute. No risk = no fun, sorry dad.REAL rocket amateurs are only interested when the payload is a sizeable stick of home made dynamite, and the rocket body and fins are made of metal. Given this is very against the rules, and most young engineers quickly lose interest (is really is boring) and move on to other sciences that actually have hands-on fun projects to do. Or, join Hezbollah. Every kid ha been to the fireworks store before, their ain't looking at the little shit, but instead go directly to the biggest, loudest, and most powerful reports possible. Make science exciting again.
>>16397544the space shuttle crawler was so hilariously expensive because it had to carry the fully fuelled SRBs. a starship crawler would be a fraction of the cost
ever since watching ift4 i have had pains in my lower stomach and cant get a boner.
>>16397532One thing that wasn't mentioned yet was that Polaris crew had limited supplies so they could not wait in orbit for a good landing weather, no such problem with a tanker.
>>16397576haha, youre hilarious.
https://x.com/SheriffGarza/status/1838959296928694678SpaceX is going to transport something from the port
>>16397585chopsticks for tower 2
>>16397596Speculation, or do you know something?RGV Aerial flyover review showed the shortened chopsticks originally from Florida already sitting in the Sanchez lot for weeks now, that move already happened.I think SpaceX needs to TEST the damn chopsticks with a real catch before they duplicate the (possibly incorrect) design. But their dick is currently held hostage by the Biden administration, and cant proceed.A move from the Port tonight is suggestive of more cryogenic storage tanks maybe? Mundane things that can legally proceed, while the US keeps looking like an absolute fool on the world stage, watching China rapidly iterate instead.
>>16397604I read the thread
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/1838971358530928992
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>>16397609
>>16397610
>>16397612cool rocket
>>16397612>>16397610>>16397609so much for fully and rapidly reusable. muskrats sweep it under the rug when its a fact that musk promised flacon 9 would be fully reusable and go to mars.
>>16397653never happened
https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/1838980463081251278
>>16397660FAA is a threat to public safety.
>>16397660Privatise FAA
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838979219264823416
>>16397667How would a private FAA work?
>>16397660So basically, they said fuck you, and will deny launching anything SpaceX has built, in any profile, until after the election.Because, fuck you, its a polarized political thing now, spaceflight enjoyers will never again experience nice things.
>>16397671like the public one, if there were lapses in their judgement (giving licenses where there shouldn't have due to safety issues) then they could be sued and have to pay some of the damagessomewhat like insurance, they would be incentivized to give licenses as quickly as possible for more revenue, but not give them in situations where it endangers the public so they don't lose money
New rule: Space Force declares permanent no-fly corridors above launch sites for aircraft (they can do this now, shut up) and the FAA has ZERO authority over issuing launch licenses, or really having anything to do with spacecraft whatsoever. Space Force (or a new space-FAA) can be in charge of who's flying what, when and where, THEY can issue launch licenses for tests and fasttrack them for rapid development. The FAA can regulate airliners, and they can be greatful for it.
>>16397532Yes. Starship is becoming equally if not worse of pencil rocket now
>>16397673basically sounds like that if a TPS change is now a public safety issueand the thing they keep bringing up is public safety even though the hotfire ring drop location change and sonic booms have absolutely nothing to do with safety
>>16397675yes, something like this is necessary when you have cadences like multiple daily launches
https://spacenews.com/radian-aerospace-begins-tests-of-spaceplane-prototype/
>>16397682>PFV01 is designed to test the aerodynamics of the company’s proposed Radian One, a spaceplane that would take off horizontally using a rail sled system more than three kilometers long and reach orbit using rocket engines before returning to a runway landing. The vehicle, as currently designed, could carry up to five people and 2,270 kilograms of cargo to low Earth orbit and return with up to 4,540 kilograms of cargo. what the fuck
>>16397675>FAA can regulate airlinersNo. They have shown repeatedly to be incapable of doing even that without killing hundreds of civilians. FAA needs to be striped of all its power, and all staff complicit in its incompetence permanently barred from government positions.
>supporting racism and disinformation ought not to have consequencesoh you guys lol
>>16397660OK, that'd explain why they didn't try to go for an in-between launch if the TPS may need approval as well.Tangentially related, many people here seem convinced that the tower catch is absolutely necessary to be done as soon as possible, but Raptor production has far outpaced ship and booster production so far and personally I'd have thought reentry and TPS testing is still more important so a flight 4-like launch while waiting for the tower upgrades would've made sense, especially with the flap and TPS changes. Of course the catch is important but since we're not quite at the point where it can really be useful (flight 5 still having Raptor 2s), is it really the most important part right now? Also considering the virtual tower catch probably tests a lot of what is necessary for the actual catch.>>16397678hotstage ring and sonic booms (latter can have public safety impact if windows can burst, but I don't think that's an issue here, still they'll have checked that in the safety review) are environmental issues where they have pretty much no choice of their own, they have to consult the other agencies to be allowed to approve them by federal law. At least while much is made of the 60 day timeframe, the last few license modifications I think the consultations always lasted shorter than that, more around 35 days or so. Probably won't help here if the FAA already expects November, though.
>>16397681Severing the FAA from spaceflight activities is something that must be done, now that they've shown themselves to be a regulatory roadblock acting out of petty spite. The FAA is for airplanes, spaceships are not airplanes (inb4 Dragon is a lifting body), the FAA is not the regulatory body for these activities, SIMPLE AS. Divorce the FAA from spaceflight, restrict them to airplanes and audit the SHIT out of them if they dare step out of line.
>>16397660So they’re just making shit up now.
>>16397690>FAA needs to be striped of all its power, and all staff complicit in its incompetence permanently barred from government positions.I can think of half a dozen agencies in dire need of this treatment, at least.
>>16397694but spaceplanes fly through the flight paths of regular planes. having a seperate admin for splaceplanes from regular planes is like having a seperate admin for trucks and cars.
Diggers are digginghttps://x.com/INiallAnderson/status/1838958580914851863
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1838978117072805999
>>16397698cars drive through railways at crossings too.
>>16397698If we end up having spaceplanes maybe that will be an issue. In that instance, the space-FAA or whatever gets authority to reroute traffic (or order the FAA to), and the FAA has to do what they say because fuck 'em.
>>16397703there are these little things called trafic lights which mean trains dont have to worry about negotiating their way around cars.
>>16397704starship literally is a spaceplane
>>16397693Musk said reuse is the most important, so I guess they do think its the most important> Also considering the virtual tower catch probably tests a lot of what is necessary for the actual catch.no, you need to actually test it> they have pretty much no choice of their own, they have to consult the other agencies to be allowed to approve them by federal lawno they don't have to, both of these things have already been looked at and determined to not be problemsthis is a choice that the FAA made
>>16397705there are these little things called tfr which means spaceships dont have to worry about negotiating their way around planes.
>>16397698Airtraffic controllers don't need to know what kind space vehicle is flying in a nofly zone, all they have to do is keep airliners out of the zone.
>>16397714If multiple vehicles are going to be going through the same relative corridor each day (as Musk wants with multiple daily launches) then just close off the corridor permanently, all planes must divert when they start getting close. There are already airspaces like that over the US so it's nothing new.
>>16397716you realize the economic impact that woud bring? imbecile.
>>16397719show your workings
>>16397719No?
>>16397712Reentry working properly is also important for reuse though. And of course you need to test the tower catch for real, I'm just not convinced it's as urgent as reentry testing considering Raptor production.The FAA has to reopen consultations for every change, so technically these specific instances have not been looked at yet unfortunately.
WHEN IS IFT5? 2 more weeks? kek
>>16397702Recent weeks have been a pretty abrupt about-face in Spacex's dealings with the FAA. Even during the environmental assessment debacle, Musk wasn't calling for resignations and the company wasn't issuing letters in response to obvious bureaucrat nonsense. They've always tiptoed around the issue and said positive things about working with the FAA.I can only assume that this means Musk and Spacex have good reason to expect nothing but delays on Starship between now and the election. I feel like some private communication or remarks by someone at the FAA must have flipped Musk's "fuck it" switch. It seems like he thinks the only resolution will come with a regime change or by making such an unholy racket that the issue can't be buried even if the Dems do get the presidency.
EDS butthurt incoming
>>16397732NET November 6
>>16397736It's probably a mix of the rest of the industry also calling for improvements after part 450 seems to have all but failed and Musk being drunk on his Trump boner. Whether it leads to anything except the FAA and consulting agencies paying even closer attention to not get sued by more rabid enviros looking for the first undotted i remains to be seen.
>>16397727but it mostly works already, losing a booster means losing 33 engineslosing a ship means you lose 6 engines, its a pretty big differencethey could also just start to focus on the ship if they have a somewhat working boosterthe heatshield tiles are going to get tested every flight anyway so you don't need to dedicate a launch just for them
>>16397739>compromised NASA's technical integritywhat did he mean by this?the actual future of NASA as an organization?
>>16397327>Thrust (sea level): 2.4 MN (550,000 lbf) at full powerAccording to wikipedia. Who is right?
>>16397756Probably the guy who actually has them strapped to his rocket? Lmao
>>16397756vacuum thrust?
>>16397756When jeff talked about his gains he wasn't referring to the gym...
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1839013824529100900
>>16397763kek
>>16397682https://payloadspace.com/radian-aerospace-deep-dive/Radian wrote an article about their business ideathey are going to buy a methalox engine from some other company instead of developing one themselves
>>16397767>Compared to other spaceplanes like Sierra Space’s Dream Chaser (which launches atop a rocket and operates only in space) and Dawn Aerospace’s Mk-II Aurora (which focuses on small suborbital vehicles), Radian’s spaceplane design sets itself apart as a single-stage-to-orbit system that offers lower costs, higher flight cadence, and human spaceflight capability from day one.
>>16397751>but it mostly works alreadybut then they changed all the tiles and the flap designMaybe they do think ship reentry is mostly working now but personally I think it'd have been advantageous to launch another set to do more ship reentry testing and refine booster entry and landing accuracy so that with the upcoming launch they'd have an even better chance. That way they'd have one launch more this year instead of one less since the tower upgrades would've taken this long anyways. Of course assuming they really could've launched mid-August and Raptor production really is as far ahead as it seems. Just seems stupid to not do a flight and then complain about not getting to do quick flight iteration. Ship reentry and booster catch are not the only things to test after all, they could also have worked towards in-space relight, payload door, and all the other stuff necessary for Starlink and such. Just seems like a wasted opportunity to me that is then used to complain about not getting more opportunities that wouldn't have come much quicker anyways.
>>16397767>After zipping down the 2-mile track, the sled releases the spaceplane at Mach 0.7, propelling the vehicle into the next phase of its ascent.not sure if which idea is worse, air launch on stratolaunch or this
>>16397763ukrainian tractor stalking it's prey.
>>16397772you are assuming they could have just launched another two months laterlooking at the shit FAA is pulling now, I don't think that is very likelyalso you have no idea the tower upgrades would take this long, it could very well be that they are strengthening them more than is strictly necessary for testing just because they have time to killSpaceX launched IFT-1 with no water deluge system to see what happens, they tend to do a lot of real life testing instead of making 100% everything works perfectly
>>16397767okay so this is obviously a scam or a retarded venture capital boondoggle.that's an insignificant help to an SSTO, this thing is never going anywhere.
>>16397778>Leadership: Radian’s leadership team comprises ex-Boeing, NASA, Air Force, and commercial industry professionals, providing crucial expertise in navigating the technical challenges of SSTO while remaining focused on economic viability.
>>16397774>>After zipping down the 2-mile track, the sled releases the spaceplane at Mach 0.7, propelling the vehicle into the next phase of its ascent.Put the 2 mile track on a 2 mile dirigible and fly it up as high as you can, combination rail/air launch.
>>16397786lmaoo
>>16397781So a bunch of industry guys realising that they can make millions of dollars by getting some VC hype money instead of slaving for cuck salaries. they know the project is never going anywhere
>>16397739bureaucratic rot is going to infest the last vestiges of our society until we become Europe 2.0 and become conquered by stronger men
>>16397776Yes that's fair, especially with this new point about the TPS, but from what we knew and a presumed insider suggesting tower upgrades aren't done but necessary it seemed like a decent possibility. Also if it would've had avoided IFT-1-ing the tower that'd be a plus in my book lel
>>16397781more red flags than chinese military parade
>>16397793I’d welcome conquer by stronger men if it meant we got back to building cool stuff. Don’t call me hypocritical. Say rather that I’m apolitical.
Blue Origin may very well have done their own small amount of trolling.
>>16397811NOOOO NOT THE WATER IN THE SWAMP
I cant wait for the FAA to shut down every water park with a big bucket that fills up and dumps water
Evidence that Earth used to have rings.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qcB45WBaks
>>16397839Urf of da Rangz
>>16397375EDS
>>16397839We will make some new ones.
>>16397238China?Stealing ideas from the West?SURELY NOT!
Not sure if this was already posted here.I wish China's scientists and engineers luck in their endeavours. It's about time a country started taking space seriously again. Maybe the chinks will scare NASA into finally pulling their finger out for once.
How likely is it for NASA to just say fuck it and take over licensing for Starship as every IFT is effectively flight tests for Artemis being that Artemis requires use of all capabilities that Starship is slated to have?
>>16397891None, unless Trump wins and replaces FAA thats more friendly towards national security goals and commercial friendly.
Reddit spacex board is seething about SpaceX fighting FAA. Like the commie trannies have infiltrated even the dedicated SpaceX boards there lmao
>>16397890that is some wild ass drone footage. They were lucky debris didn't hit it
>>16397896Drones are extremely cheap and the footage is very valuable.
>>16397890>logo is almost an XHow are they this devoid of creativity?I don't understand...Is /pol/ right?
>>16397895Redditors are not human and should be exterminated.
>>16397902Imitation is flattery
>>16397895lounge is the dedicated board.
>>16397895sometimes I wonder if /sfg/, myself included, is the last place on the entire internet that still blindly follows musk and spacex no matter what.
>>16397913Its not no matter what, it just happens that Musk/SpaceX are unusually taking the right position and plays the straight man in the clown world. I dont disagree with most of Musk's takes not because of Musk but because the stances do make sense. Be it deregulation to speed up innovation, free speech, experimental breakthrough technological developments, forceful advocacy of mars colonization, etc. Blindly just means without basis other than fanboyism.
>>16397913Who gives a shit. I only want to see bigger rockets fly and sometimes blow up.
somebody staging?
let it die
Staging>>16397933>>16397933>>16397933>>16397933
>>16397753Allowing that shitty service module to exist is absolutely incompetent of NASA
>>16397913I don’t blindly follow musk. I think his twitter antics are retarded and I think some of his design decisions for starship are dubious. I only respect him for revolutionizing the launch market.
>>16396311spess
