Just after 2 astronauts were stranded on the ISS for 200 days on an 8-day mission, the ISS is now discovered to be leaking air.The 2 astronauts are stuck on the ISS, and they're quickly running out of oxygen. Time is ticking.Who can save these stranded astronauts?How is this piece of technology, which costs $3,000,000,000 a year to run ($150,000,000,000 total to develop + launch), failing this badly?
>>16479177They've been planning to crash it for a while now.
>>16479177>designed to last 20 years>more than 20 years oldsimple as
last time it was an astronautess that went crazy after her fwb broke up with her in orbit
>>16479177>Russia isn't convinced it's that seriouskek>no problem tovarisch, just normal air leak. ignore and problem go away, da?
>>16479180I still don't understand how it happened. The drill that nasa aren't meant to drill holes. its only meant to unscrew bolts. Plus is massive and so are the bolt. And its not like aluminum could be hand drilled either.
>>16479182Anything that turns can drill
>>16479177oh boy a new psyop has dropped what does this have to with /g/ you fucking spambot?
>>16479182it's a tiny holethe drill could have been part of any number of experiments. dental care maybe even
>>16479180>woman>homosexualNot shocking she went batshit and fucked shit up.
>>16479177>the ISS is now discovered to be leaking air.They've known about it for a long time.But it is getting worse.
>>16479181>no Russians on board>Russians saying "not a big problem">even though leaking air can cause the ISS to break up in space which is the main worry of NASARussians want it the ISS to go down lol.
ISS is the stupidest shit ever. What a waste of taxpayer dollars. Fuck humanity and its aspirations.
>>16479189>no Russians on boardreally? I thought there were at least 50% of Russians on board.
>>16479177>How is this piece of technology, which costs $3,000,000,000 a year to run ($150,000,000,000 total to develop + launch), failing this badly?Tidal forces and heating.
>>16479177Whipple shield failures. Even a grain of sand going mach 5+ in space can fuck shit up which is why we invented whipple shielding but that's just buying us time so if you don't replace them often enough I can see how this could lead to small air leaks that are hard to detect.Dead space is deadass scary shit yo.
>>16479193If a grain of sand going mach 5 passed straight through your brain, would you even notice anythingMost of the brain is unnecessary and you can live without it, just makes you lose a few IQ points
>>16479187I think I'm in the wrong timeline again
>>16479177>nyet problem, normal katastrof
>>16479181They're saying it's not a problem because the leak is on their side of things
>>16479197>the leak is on my side of the boat, don't worrybased
>>16479194Dunno but small caliber hypervelocity rounds are famous for causing concussions in soldiers wearing helmets and that's just at mach 2-3. A grain of sand is obviously smaller but going mach 5 and concentrating all that kinetic energy into such a small point sounds fatal especially if you're not wearing a helmet.I'd much rather take my chances with a plasma rifle melting part of my face off.
>>16479177>stranded on the ISS for 200 days on an 8-day missionis it that much easier to just send up food and water? also how can you fuck up so badly that you don't organise a transport after six+ months when they were supposed to have one after eight? aren't these space missions meticulously planned?
>>16479194There was one physicist who had a single proton pass through his brain at relativistic speed in some accident and got pretty fucked up, so yes you will probably notice if the ~10^19 protons in a grain of sand went through your brain.
>>16479200It would embarrass the government if they had space x go get them.No way they would let that happen in an election year.
>>16479201It wasn't a single proton, he walked into an active particle accelerator. He's 82 now.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski
>>16479177>Just after 2 astronauts were stranded on the ISS for 200 days on an 8-day missionwas their mission special and military?
>>16479187so thats why he wasn't accustom to breathing in our atmosphere. RIP.
>>16479182aluminum is very easy to drill, you can do it by hand even
>>16479203>Bugorski completely lost hearing in the left ear, replaced by a form of tinnitus.[6] The left half of his face was paralysed due to the destruction of nerves.[1] He was able to function well, except for occasional complex partial seizures and rare tonic-clonic seizures.hory shet
>>16479182>And its not like aluminum could be hand drilledyoure joking right? i can cut aluminum with a fucking butter knife and your telling me i cant hand drill it?
wagies life aint wirth what it used to it seems
>>16479204OP is referencing Boeing's shit heap which had so much trouble getting to the ISS that NASA decided to return the capsule without crew. It "stranded" 2 astronauts in that for 19 days there wasn't enough American seats to actually evacuate the crew until the Crew-9 mission on SpaceX's Dragon arrived with 2 other astronauts and 2 empty seats. If they had to they would have been strapped to the cargo area of the Crew-8's Dragon that was docked.The 200 days comes from the time extra the astronauts spent in space as NASA and Boeing debated a return and Crew 9's expected return to earth.
>>16479210the shartliner landed without a problem thoit is NASAs problem now
>>16479182Aluminum is very strong, but not very hard. Yes, there is a difference. Drill bits attack the hardness to start carving out the metal. Drill Al is easy.
>>16479178yes. it's been leaky and in all states of malfunctioning since it became a space station. i'm sure there's a tonne of things about the iss that we don't know about and never will know about.
>>16479177>Who can save these stranded astronauts?No one is stranded on the ISS now.They all have transport off ready to go.
>>16479206>>16479208>>16479212Guaranteed none of you nigger worked with metal before in your life and probably thought all aluminum are the same. something like 7075 is literally impossible to hand drill even with a machine they are a pain in the ass to work with.
>>16479202>No way they would let that happen in an election yearAnd they still lost lmao
>>16479215*alumina
>>16479205is there any bigfloyd73 archive out there?
Air is bloat.
insert ebussy "Usecase for Air?"
>>16479199What matters isn't how much energy a projectile has but how much energy a projectile imparts into the target, a helmet stops the bullet and doesn't let it pass through so the energy has to get absorbed by the wearer's head.
>>16479198Well, America could just seal them off if it gets worse.
>>16479215>something like 7075 is literally impossible to hand drill even with a machine they are a pain in the ass to work with.Lmao that's not even remotely true..t actual machinist
>>16479177Why don't they just let this POS waste of money crash and burn? Literally worthless.
>>16479193>>16479194>>16479199>>16479201american education, everyone.>>16479221is right. only energy really matters.btw, that video (>>16479193) is a 3 mm aluminum sphere at >mach 20. it should weigh about 21 mg. a typical grain of sand is <1 mm in diameter and weighs about 0.05 mg.with E_kin = 0.5mv^2, the difference in energy is a factor of about 6700. so no, a grain of sand at mach 5 is not THAT scary. in fact, to reach the same energy, the grain of sand would have to travel at mach 410. also keep in mind that mass scales to the cube of size. so a smaller object has to be disproportionally faster for the same energy. which is why small, high-velocity particles mostly aren't a threat.
>>16479196No, it's not normal. Fix the station's air leak, Mikhailovich.
>>16479225It can have 1000,000,00000 bajillion jewls of energy but it won't matter because what matters is how much energy gets transferred to you. if a piece of sand punches all the way through your head then most of the energy is still in the sand. on the other hand if the sand only goes through your skull and half of your brain then it's worse because now you have sand stuck in your brain.I think the proton caused so much damage because there was more than 1 of them and they also fuck with atoms and ionize shit more than a simple physical objet travelling at normal-ish speeds that aren't represented as fractions of c.
>>16479180Wait, isn't that the hole in the Russian capsule? You know, the one made in Russia by Russians? Russians, the PoC of Eastern Europe? Who said, after an extra drill hole was found in something that their vodka enjoyers made, that they dindu nuffin and it was probably NASA trying to keep the """white""" man down?Jesus, the retards on this site.
>>16479177>How is this piece of technology, which costs $3,000,000,000 a year to run ($150,000,000,000 total to develop + launch), failing this badly?Complete mystery.
>>16479227>jewlskekat sub-atomic sizes we are dealing with completely different mechanisms of interacting with matter. and in the particle accelerator case, the issue wasn't a single proton, as you already figured. it was a whole beam of protons.ever heard of alpha radiation? it's helium nuclei (i.e. 2 protons, 2 neutrons), typically at 5 to 7 % the speed of light. while it's the most dangerous type of radiation, singular hits won't harm you. (in fact, your skin already stops it, the biggest danger is in ingesting an alpha emitter.)
>>16479229There is no competence crisis, just a lack of wages.
>>16479178Too bad they're not welcome on the Tiangong space station.
>>16479231surely you meant lack of wagies
>>16479233>blaming the victimeither pay more, or fix the inflation, choice is yours
>only need air inside your body>NO THE WHOLE SERIES OF TUBES MUST BE FILLED WITH TONNES OF WITH BREATHABLE AIR
>>16479228>Jesus, the retards on this site.Leave, we'll have one less
>>16479189there are three cosmonauts on board
They didn't design it to last more than 20 years
wow 3 billionwow
>Russian>50 years manned space missions. Not once had an issue with boring random holes into the hulls of their vessels (especially given they don't even carry specialized boring equipment)>explosions? Sure. Being eaten by bears after landing in Siberia. Of course>always at least a related mishap.>but the one instance in the history of their space program where they share a space with a psychotic woman, they have this accident
>>16479240>psychotic womanWeren't the doctors supposed to find out if she's crazy and stop her from going.
>>16479241No, doctors are supposed to find the meds that will make the most money.
>>16479182>its not like aluminum could be hand drilledI thought this was supposed to be the smart people board.
>>16479243This is a board about advertising phones.
>>16479244the consumer technology you use is bad
>>16479244
>>16479246*snap*
>>16479211It landed without a problem but Boeing couldn't guarantee the safety of astronauts aboard, so the decision was made to not use it.So it's great it returned safely, but Boeing already screwed the pooch and it kinda doesn't matter that the capsule landed alright.I wouldn't be shocked if starliner never launches again, or at most 1 or 2 more times and then never again. Unless Boeing can find someone to buy starliner off of them.
IT'S THE FUCKING CHINESE
>>16479194>would you even notice anythingyou probably wouldn't mate
>>16479246I' xD'd irl, 4chins is just right some times
>>16479203russians are truly indestructible
Clearly it's the woman astronaut's fault.
> Do nothing > Win
>>16479177>a problem that could be solved with a single stick of chewing gumEven though they take up less than a penny on the dollar of my taxes, modert NASA is a disgrace.
>>16479248Keep seeing rumors that the government is going to allow Boeing to fail, which everyone said would never be permitted to happen. The aviation part of the company would be merged into GE Aerospace. Boeing's space division probably will be bought piecemeal by whatever aerospace company is interested in particular parts of their IP and facilities. It's unlikely anyone would want to buy that part of Boeing as a whole intact department.
>>16479240You know that Russian incompetency has been fucking over ISS for a while already? Not mentioning the Russian modules that has been leaking all over the place, the nauka module just straight up tried to destroy ISS.
>>16479256Maybe MAYBE blue origin would buy starliner for New Glenn, but unlikely as New Glenn has a 7 meter diameter whereas SLS has an 8 meter diameter that tapers down to around 5 meters where the capsule is staged. I guess they could do some adapter stage, but yea blue origin has supposedly been working internally on a New Glenn crew capsule for over a year, so they likely aren't too interested in purchasing starliner anyway.
>>16479254>communism doesn't wo-
>>16479177It's from the holes that crazy lady drilled. Just chew some 5-gum and plug the crazy lady holes.
>>16479257You're seething through your asshole and making shit up at this point. Lay off the internet for a while, for your own good
>>16479260Basically all evidence suggests it was Russian quality control from the guys who built the thing.Seriously, there aren't even drill bits on board to do that kind of drilling.
>>16479261>making up shit about things that can be easily googled
>Russian teams believe the air leak was likely caused by high cyclic fatigue from micro vibrations, while teams at NASA think pressure and mechanical stress, residual stress, material properties of the module, and environmental exposure are all at play, according to SpaceNews.They really are not sending their best are they?
>>16479264It's russian modules that are shitting the bed
>>16479177Something like 100% of the leaks come from the Russian parts.
>>16479262>>16479265>>16479266>they totally drilled holes in their own shit, trust me bro
>>16479267>>>they totally drilled holes in their own shit, trust me broI think you mean Russia used a part that some drunk factory worker had drilled a hole in and snuck it through what passes for Russian QC.
>>16479177For some reason I'm not worried about this. Pic related.
>>16479269Lol lmaoI honestly wish I could be this retarded, the world must look so much simpler.
>>16479268>they totally drilled holes in their own shit, trust me broany other /x/-tier conspiracy theories you want to share with us?
>>16479271Yet your theory that a heartbroken astronaut found a drill bit, snuck into Soyuz and drilled a hole into it, is somehow NOT a wild conspiracy theory but the most LIKELY thing to have happened?Glad to see you have no bias here.
>>16479271Yeah, clearly someone was able to sneak away to drill a whole in complete privacy in a volume the size of a school bus without anyone noticing.
>>16479267if there was a hole at all, I'm pretty sure they'd feel it and it would depressurize in like one nanosecond, retards often forget that 1 atmosphere is around 15 PSI
>>16479213
>>16479275>pol
>>16479180>someone magically snuck into the russian quarters and drilled into the wall without being interrupted by the inhabitantsyeah, right
>>16479220>>16479219
>>16479275it should be legal to kill this kind of person in space
>>16479275Lol what kind of bullshit fantasy is that?This "ruined" decades of research? The ISS has always been planned to deorbit in the 2020s. The original modules were only built for 10-15 years of expected use.
>>16479240>installs gyro upside-down
>>16479274>if there was a hole at all, I'm pretty sure they'd feel it and it would depressurize in like one nanosecondnope
wtf does this whole reddit hate jews too
just make shit up and get angry about it and make shit up and get angry about it and make shit up and get angry about it and make shit up and get angry about it
>>16479229The most complex system is society.
>>16479282argumentate why, explain how they can generate enough gas to be pressurized forever, where do they get the nitrogen from for example which isn't even really consumed in large quantities by anyone or anything.
>>16479285It's over, the iceberg has fallen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnTU_hJoByA
>>16479177Just crash this abomination of failed cooperation into the planet and be done with it already.
>>16479286it won't stay pressurized forever. however, a small hole doesn't result in rapid decompression.
>>16479286you spend alot of time on tiktik dont you?>proof?>proof?>source?
>>16479290I see your father spent a lot of time on blacked.com while your mother was giving birth to you with your actual father.>>16479289>small hole doesn't result in rapid decompressionit does in all high pressure vessels, explain how ISS is different
>>16479291busted. go back to arguing on tiktok lmao
>>16479290>asking for evidence is... *le bad*this can't be your best copehit me with your best cope
>>16479291>a 1atm differential forcing 1,005m^3 of air through a little hole "in nanoseconds"engage critical thinking skills, please
>>16479294I hope such pressure front was directed at your body so I'd never have to see your retarded posts again
>>16479293yodawg, tiktok wouid have you believe dems would win. never thought 4skin didnt know how to google themselves. the bastion of truth and smart computer people
>>16479296not sure why you're projecting this hard but please, keep going
>>16479295stupid russian retard
>>16479298>I am a stupid russian retardoh okay I see the problem and why you believe that the hole will remain small forever, if this were to actually happen in a vacuum
>>16479299the ISS isn't a balloon
>>16479297my god, the projection trend has caught on on tiktok yet, please stop. thats another one of the 5 stages of grief
>>16479291>it does in all high pressure vessels, explain how ISS is differentNo it doesn't.The ISS is effectively a 241,867 gallon air tank at 14.7 psi, space is 0 PSI. That's not a massive pressure difference, it's not like a submarine under 10000 meters of water getting crushed by ~15500 PSI.When you're dealing with 14-15 PSI vs 0 PSI and you've got a tiny pinprick hole, it's quite a slow leak, it would likely take days with zero oxygen generation before it became an issue.And again the pressure difference never would be high enough to lead to some catastrophic cascade of failures.
>>16479275>2 years ago
>proof?>source?>youre projectingthis is getting worse than leddit
>>16479300it quite literally is>>16479302>that's not a massive pressure differenceI guess ripping your lungs out is not massive enough, subhuman redditor
>>16479262Use the internet to find the articles.
>>16479304>has to reply twice for good measurelol
>>16479307omg you just rekt me LMFAOOOOOO DUUUUUUUUDE
>>16479308are you ok?
>>16479303Oh yeah and let's ignore the current ISS commander is female. Even though his rant claims missions control was done sending women to space.
>>16479309just trying to make sure you feel smart n stuf haha fuck ya reddit4lyfe
>>16479306Yes, they're all Russian news articles or western conservative media using the Russian news as their source.
>>16479178With no survivors
>>16479305Are you actually retarded?How is a 15 PSI pressure differential going to be catastrophic? Remember Delta P videos where the crab gets liquidified? That's from there being a MASSIVE pressure difference. The byford dolphin incident was caused by going from 132 PSI to 15 PSI. That's a large pressure difference.Going from 0 PSI to 15 PSI is nothing in comparison, and is equivalent to diving 10 meters under water. Barely noticeable.
>>16479314>diving 10 meters under water>barely noticeablenow do it in a nanosecond
>>16479314Hollywood continues to show small leaks in spacecraft being catastrophic and that's where most people get their conception of what an air leak would be like.
>>16479315Do you really think that matters?Also it didn't happen in a nanosecond, it was a manufacturing fault, it went up on a rocket where the pressure would've slowly dropped over a minute or two, not a nanosecond.You're just a moron who can't understand basic physics.
>>16479315Why would all the air exit out a tiny hole in a nanosecond when there's only one ATM of pressure?
>>16479317if there's a hole, it's constantly depressurizing and it would take hours for everyone inside to choke out
>>16479319This implies they're not generating any new oxygen (they are), and also the internal volume of the ISS is hundreds of thousands of gallons, a tiny pinprick hole leaking at 1 atmosphere would take AGES to fully depressurize
>>16479316Even so, you'd think once you point out the minimal pressure difference it would settle the matter...
>>16479320this isn't about oxygen you retarded nigger
everyone in this thread is a niggerfaggot
>>16479322It's about atmosphere, the primary component of which matters to humans being alive and breathing, is oxygen. Production of oxygen, pressurizes the station, and production outpaces the leak.Do you need more hand holding here?
They could have just ejected the crazy lady into space when they found the first 3 holes.
>production of oxygen pressurizes the stationlatest of reddit science wherein plants create pressure from nothing
>>16479325Show me literally any actual evidence she did it and we can talk.As it is, odds are much more likely Russia doesn't want to publicly admit their manufacturing QC sucks dicks.
>>16479327Nope. It will be our little secret.
>>16479177NASA astroonaut drilled another hole.>inb4 noo it was drunk russians who then patched up the hole and their patch failed weeks later in spaceThis is the hole. There is NO EVIDENCE that this hole was previously patched. There are still little shards of loose metal in the hole, left behind when it was drilled.>inb4 fake copypasta about the astroonaut somehow irradiating the ISS with a wrench or some nonsensical shit like thatJust because she drilled the hole, doesn't make the rest of that copypasta real. It contains many nonsensical claims.
>>16479326I mean they also use nitrogen for this, but the ratio is kept pretty similar to earth normal, 80/20.Are you really trying to act like this is some "gotcha" and I was unaware of nitrogen?
>>16479182>And its not like aluminum could be hand drilled either.You have completely discredited yourself. It is time for you to kill yourself.
>>16479330you mean the very same nitrogen that's currently escaping the space station allegedly? You mean that nitrogen, right, anon? Not some imaginary nitrogen generated from nowhere?
>>16479331With what drill bits?It's clearly a proper drill bit that drilled the hole from the pictures, but those bits aren't aboard the station. So where did it come from?
>>16479333>those bits aren't aboard the stationhow do you know that?
>>16479332Then it's a good thing they get regular resupplies which include nitrogen huh?Again, are you ACTUALLY retarded or do you just enjoy pretending for attention?
>>16479333If the hole was drilled before the capsule went to orbit, then why didn't the air pressure start dropping as soon as the hatch to the capsule was opened?>it was patchedThen why are there still slivers of metal left behind in that hole? If the hole was patched and then the patch failed, it would remove those slivers of metal. There is NO residue of any sort of patch left behind either. There is no evidence of any patch.
>>16479334There is no purpose for any?The drill they do have is for unscrewing bolts and screwing them back in, not drilling holes. I am almost positive they literally don't even have drill bits for it.
>>16479335So now plants don't repressurize anymore, now it's supplies coming to an abandoned space station that can't even get off a whore faster than in 9 months? What will be your next hallucination I wonder.
>>16479338We know who you voted for
>>16479336She was coo coo for coco-puffs. Some people are not as sane once in space as their tests would suggest. Time to make better tests in simulated environments. I'd wager not even 1% of this place could be in space for more than a month without going coo coo for coco-puffs.
>>16479339What an odd thing to admit that you're a glownigger but then say something untruthful like knowing who I voted for (pray do tell us all).
>>16479254>>16479254Most of the problems are avoided by just having a brand new space station. ISS is an old piece of shit. We'll see when the Chink station is as old as the ISS. Or actually we won't since Chinks won't tell release anything about station health to the public.
I don't understand how it's possible to dock at the ISS without damaging itHow can you use thrusters that close? Where does the thruster exhaust go? It smashes into the ISS
>>16479337If it's anything like a normal drill, I'm positive you could fit it with an off the shelf drill bit. Considering astronauts can take cameras and other random personal shit with them (with a few limitations), I don't think there had to be a specific reason for a drill bit to appear on the space station.
>>16479342Make the new one out of recycled paper. Go Green.
> The accusation was denied by NASA and officials say they knew the precise locations of the US astronauts before the leak occurred and at the moment it began. None were near the Russian segment where the Soyuz vehicle was docked. NASA said they shared this data with Russians> The accusations in 2021 came during a period of increased geopolitical tensions between the US and Russia. It also came weeks after a particularly embarrassing moment for Roscosmos; during the docking of the Nauka module its engines kept firing causing the causing the entire space station to flip over one and a half times.Lol sorry but anyone who believes the Russians on this are just Russian shills, anti-American shills, or just hate women (or a combination).
>Would NASA really lie about one of their astronauts going crazy?There is historic precedence for this! On the space shuttle mission STS-51-B the payload specialist Taylor Wang (chinese-american) threatened to murder-suicide the entire crew by opening up the hatch. He was upset because his experiment wasn't working and mission control wouldn't give him time to fix it, so he told them that if he wasn't allowed to fix his experiment he wouldn't be coming home. Then he started asking other crew members about the hatch door>so if I turn that handle, all the air in the shuttle goes right out??The rest of the crew was obviously disturbed and duct-taped the hatch closed just to be safe. On a few subsequent missions, the shuttle commander brought a padlock along with him and padlocked the hatch closed once in orbit, just in case anybody went crazy again. So here's the NASA lying angle: NASA never discllosed this incident to the public. When asked about the padlocks on the hatch doors, they claimed that the padlocks were merely there to prevent an astronaut from accidentally bumping into the handle. They framed it as a safety measure meant to prevent accidents, not a response to the threat of an astronaut going crazy and murder-suiciding the whole crew. NASA covered up the mental health problem out of concern for their public image.All of this is documented here: https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/01/solving-a-nasa-mystery-why-did-space-shuttle-commanders-lock-the-hatch/
>>16479346Posted like a true American shill
>>16479343They use small mosquito fart thrusters to maneuver near ISS. The final closure speed is centimeters in seconds. It's agonizingly slow in real life and not at all like in the movies.
>>16479348Yet the Russian evidence is "well she's a woman".
>>16479347>An important clue comes from the oral history of astronaut Henry Hartsfield, who commanded STS-61-A, another Spacelab mission that took flight just six months after Wang's flight in 1985.>"Early on when we were flying payload specialists, we had one payload specialist that became obsessed with the hatch," he said. "'You mean all I got to do is turn that handle and the hatch opens and all the air goes out?' It was kind of scary. Why did he keep asking about that?">Over the years, there has been some limited coverage of the commander's lock program. Perhaps most notably, in July 1995, CBS Evening News broadcast a segment about the lock, featuring the only image of the padlock in place on the hatch I've ever seen. It did not name Taylor Wang, but it referred to his mission. The official NASA response in the story was that the lock was there to prevent an astronaut from inadvertently bumping into the hatch and opening it.>inadvertently bumping into the hatch>inadvertentlyNASA lies to protect their reputation.
>>16479350Yet the American evidence is "well, they must have drilled holes in their own shit, with an expressed intent of making themselves look bad"
>>16479350And that's the only evidence I need as a Lithuanian.
>>16479352They like to blame it on the Russian technicians being drunk, because leaning on racial stereotypes to deflect blame probably seems like a fair tradeoff to them.
>>16479352The American evidence is the actual positions in the station they were at. They have tracking devices so they can monitor them 24/7.
>>16479355NASA lies to protect their reputation, why should evidence they present be considered trustworthy? see >>16479347 >>16479351They have a history of covering up astronauts having mental health breakdowns.
>>16479356Because Russia has even more history of QC fuckups and blaming others for their own mistakes?Like sure, NASA does dumb shit too, but this one seems like regular Russian manufacturing quality.
>>16479181Considering the shit MIR went through, a tiny hole is pretty much a nothingburger
>>16479357The "QC fuckup" theory relies on the premise of the whole being patched on the ground and the patch subsequently failing in orbit. This is contradicted by the photographs of the hole which show no trace of any patch.
>>16479355There are cameras all throughout the ISS. It shouldn't be difficult for the ground crew to share a timestamped recording of her position at the alleged time of the accident yet no such evidence has been produced.
>>16479336>why didn't the air pressure start droppingaccording to who, vatnik?
>>16479356Why report mental health breakdowns?
>>16479359Yes because it's SO much more likely a woman brought a drill bit on board, managed to get it working with the drill, snuck into the Russian section, drilled the hole, and snuck back out before mission control knew about the leak. And then NASA had to go fake the tracking information that shows their astronauts didn't enter the Russian segment at the time it happened.Right, you're clearly just following the most likely trail of events, you clearly have no bias shaping your view.
>>16479348
>>16479360Where is the timestamp of her sneaking into the Russian section? Surely roscosmos has access to those video feeds too... Especially in their own modules right?
>>16479361According to NASA. The Soyuz capsule docked to the ISS on June 18, 2018. No drop in air pressure was detected until August 29, 2018. It was in orbit attached to the ISS for 82 days before it started leaking.
>>16479359you can patch it with duct tape
>>16479363>muh tracking informationI'm glad we agree NASA was unable to prove her position using a video from one of the onboard cameras, which are everywhere.
>>16479368why doesn't russia prove it?
>>16479368See >>16479365Nice try though vatnik.
>>16479362Because they're relevant to a project billions of dollars of taxpayer money have been spent on. Even if you don't think that's sufficient reason to disclose such matters, neglecting to disclose something is different from actually lying about it.NASA lied about the purpose of the padlock, saying it was to prevent inadvertent accidents. In fact the padlocks were installed to prevent deliberate acts of mass murder.
>>16479369Because the burden of proof is on NASA? See >>16479366
>>16479363>leaning on the stereotype of women not being able to use drills to discredit the theory about a woman very sloppily drilling a holeinb4 "drunk russians" stereotype.
>>16479372>Because the burden of proof is on NASA?Are you fucking drunk? Accuser should be the one providing proof
>>16479372russia (a country that seem to lie as sport) is the one making an accusaion
>>16479367Duct tape leaves adhesive residue. There's no evidence of such a residue, or any other sort of patch residue, anywhere near the hole.
>>16479376how do you know that?
>>16479374The capsule was docked to the ISS for 82 days before it started leaking. NASA accuses drunk/incompetent Russian technicians of drilling the hole on the ground before the capsule launched. NASA cannot provide any evidence to support this accusation.
>>16479378That was their defence, neither side provided any proof publicly so you can shut up
>>16479374Maybe you should explain why a hole appeared in a space module after 3 months of it being airtight in space? Are you really this dense?>>16479375lol
>>16479377How do I know that duct tape leaves behind an adhesive residue? Because I have used duct tape before.How do I know that there was no adhesive residue around the hole? Because we have a picture of the hole and there is no adhesive residue. There is however a sliver of painted metal still lodged inside of the hole.
>>16479378And Russia can't provide any proof an American did it.If they could they would've released it.Yet we know they have cameras, so are the cameras not working? Are they not getting monitored and recorded? Are the Russians just so incompetent that they have the evidence but just can't be bothered to present it?
>>16479379>>That was their defence,Accusing the Russians of drilling a hole in their own module is in fact an accusation. One which is contradicted by the physical evidence.
>>16479383See>neither side provided any proof so you can shut up
>>16479378Impressive level of proofterism we are operating with here. You're saying that NASA doesn't have the paper trail or inspection records that would conclusively prove that this was a manufacturing defect. Shocking.
>>16479382Just as NASA won't present the video evidence of where their astronauts were when the leak started.
>>16479383Not really, you just insist there is zero possible way a patch could've failed without obvious evidence. Seems like a bold claim when I doubt you have any expertise in the field. More like your argument falls apart if that part ISN'T true, so you insist it is regardless of your actual proof or substantive supporting evidence.
>>16479371To be fair, that information is confidential. It is reported, but kept private from public view.
>>16479385Why would NASA have a paper trail or inspection records for a Russian space capsule? You have clearly failed to understand even the most basic context of this conversation.
Maybe I should not have un-memory-holed the crazy lady. But sense I did, another fun one was the other female astronaut that wanted to stalk her ex, so she put on a diaper and drove non stop across the US to stalk him. That one ended poorly. I promise I am not picking on women.
>>16479386But they did provide telemetry data for their positions aboard the ISS.Odd how that's dismissed as fabricated when Russia has provided NOTHING at all. Yet that nothing somehow managed to convince you.
>>16479382It's called circumstantial evidence (admissible in court) and as things stand now, it strongly favors the Russian story.
>>16479389That's my fucking point.
>>16479388NASA could have said>the reason for the padlock is a confidential personnel matter.or they could have said>At this time we are choosing not to comment on the reason for the padlockor they could have said>uh..... next question please???Instead, they lied. They said the padlock was to prevent inadvertent accidents. That's a flat lie, there was never any risk of the hatch being opened inadvertently. The padlocks were installed to prevent untrusted astronauts from DELIBERATELY OPENING THE HATCH TO MURDER THE WHOLE CREW.If NASA was willing to lie about that, they can't be trusted with any matter concerning astronaut mental health.
>>16479394LolLmao evenYea because roscosmos would NEVER lie about their personnel.
>>16479393The "drilled on the ground and QC failed" theory relies on the hole being patched and that patch holding for 82 days in space before it failed. We have photographs of the hole and there is no physical evidence of such a patch ever existing.
>>16479390>senseSinceVatnik scum from Ohio oblast.
>>16479397you're seething, gonzales
>>16479395If your position is that both NASA and Roscosmos may lie about personnel mental health problems, then I am glad you have conceded that NASA is willing to lie about such things.>but Russia does tooYes, I'm sure they do. And if NASA would accuse a Russian cosmonaut of drilling that hole, then Roscosmos saying that wasn't true could plausibly be such a lie. But nobody has accused any cosmonauts of drilling the hole, so Russia's potential to lie about cosmonaut mental health isn't relevant to THIS incident.
>>16479396>We have photographs of the hole and there is no physical evidence of such a patch ever existing.And this means it couldn't have possibly existed. It's 100% undeniable proof a patch couldn't have failed without visible photographic proof. Everyone knows if you can't see it in a photo, it is literally impossible for it to have happened.Again this just goes back to, your entire argument falls apart if this isn't true, so it has to be.
>>16479400There's no evidence for the patch, and there are metal slivers still in the hole left behind from when the hole was drilled. There was never any sort of patching compound in that hole.
You know that patch adhesive can be cleaned up
>>16479398I'm whiter than you I'd imagine.At least I don't come from eastern European stock. Or worse Russian stock.
>>16479402So now your theory is that after finding the hole the cosmonauts broke out the goo-gone and cleaned everything up before anybody noticed what was going on.Or... NASA has once again lied about an astronaut going nutty.
>>16479403You're so obsessed with Russians you can't stop mentioning them for a single post.
>>16479404I'm just saying that your thing is just a theory because you have zero proof like everyone in this thread
>>16479397Can you imagine the smell when the cops pulled her over?
>>16479407I'm sure you imagine it most nights before your pre-sleep masturbation session.
>>16479408Poo fetish? Nah I am more of a blood of Lucifer and Jesus fetishist. Mix them 50%/50% and you will feel the glow.
surely this implausible story is the one thing russia isn't lying about
>>16479410surely this implausible story is the one thing usa isn't lying about
Who the fuck cares about this fucking thing?? What fucking research if any are they doing that has any point whatsoever.
>>16479412No, they spend more time fixing the thing instead of doing research. We also still have no idea about reproduction in space
>>16479412Most of the more interesting research is waiting on the lunar gateway. No one wants to bother paying to send up their research project to the limited facilities on the ISS if they can wait 5 years and use the newer facilities on the lunar gateway.
>>16479412>Who the farkly cares about this flarvalbarbing thing??Not I. Even if it was to deorbit most of it would burn up. Space is not healthy for humans.
>>16479225>>16479227I'm not a ballistics nerd but I doubt a grain of sand has the same penetrating power of a FMJ 9mm round for example.In fact isn't the whole idea behind a "dust gun" to accelerate small particles (like grains of sand) to mach 5+ so that they act like kinetic bombardment and quickly BTFO whipple shields?
>>16479416Correct!>m = The average mass of a grain of sand on a beach is about 0.00001562 grams.>v = The ISS travels at about 17,500 miles/28,000 kilometers per hour.>KE = m * v^2 / 2 = 0.47245686571655 J>The muzzle energy for a FMJ 9mm varies from around 309 to 413 ft-lb (419 to 560 Joules)So about 1000 times less powerful. Mass still matters.
/pol/tards will simultaneously hold the beliefs that space is fake and the ISS doesn't exist, but also that a dyke suddenly decided to drill a hole in the russian section of the ISS, and none of the russians caught her performing this noisy task
>>16479418No.. the problem is that it does exist. It's a fucking 1970s tech dumpster circling the earth fast enough to not fall into it. And we keep sending autismos up there to take picture with floating apples or observe the growth of mold in microgravity for no reason other than to use up the 3 billion dollars of grant money or else it goes away.The thing is a fucking useless monkey sink and nothing more. No one gives a fuck about NASA.
>>16479419Every dollar spent on Nasa returns like 5 fold to the economy.
>>16479418You do realize that more than one person posts on /pol/, right? This is true for every other board too.
>>16479199>>16479225>>16479416Yeah, the damage a projective does is highly reliant on it's mass. A 50 cal is pretty devastating because it's big and heavy. Like anon said, a grain of sand going at mach 999 would just go straight through you, and cause a little bit of damage but you would 100% survive pretty much no matter where it hit.
>>16479421It's an echo chamber.
>>16479420Every dollar spent on sports stadiums returns seven fold economic activity to the economy.
>>16479423>/pol/ has several different beliefs>it's an echo chamberCognitive dissonance much?
>>16479424>>16479420Every dollar spent on welfare for black LGBT single mothers returns 6'000'000 fold to the economy.
>>16479424covid's over and you can stop being butthurt at STEM fields and institutions
>>16479416thats the idea but it still doesnt really work when you consider HOW modern boolits actually do such enormous tissue damage. a tiny piece of dust would have to be going so fast it basically undergoes nuclear fusion and turns into a bomb to do meaningful "damage" to a living targetif it's going only mach 5 it will go through you and leave a very small hole like you rolled over onto a sewing needle in the night. it will heal before the end of the day.
>>16479422No, a 50 cal is devastating because it's going 3,000 feet per second.But, I don't know why you fucking /k/idiots are having an ignorant laymen discussion of classical physics in a thread about the ISS being a useless piece of shit.
>>16479417It sounds like that grain of sand going mach 5 would compress the bone abd cause that to "explode" inside your skull. Most people don't have empty skulls and all that liquid and soft tissue is going to further absorb all that energy left by the grain of sand turning into a micro shotgun pellet round. Alternatively it disintegrates on impact and converts all that kinetic energy into the blunt force trauma of getting hit in the head with a baseball bat.In otherwords I'm seriously doubting that grain of sand going mach 5 is just going to carve out a clean surgical hole. Because YES it's light in mass but accelerated to mach 5? Are you sure you're doing the energy calculations right?
Why are we talking about overpriced crap ammo? This is about the International Stazi Station.
>>16479431God I can't wait for the russians to be left out of the next big space station program.
>>16479423You are retarded.
>>16479432>God I can't waitOne of my followers! Yes human I agree with you. The next one should be built by India and have a massive call center on board.
They cant get away with this!
>>16479181smekalka wins again
>>16479435O2 deprivation does odd things to people, each in their own unique way.
>>16479429>devastating because it's going 3,000 feet per second.No, it's a "volts and amps" situation. 5.56 is too, even 5.7mm has 3000fps loads.50cal has a pretty high velocity, but no, the difference between it and most small arms is that it's big and heavy.Of course, both are needed. But just high velocity with a small mass won't do anything much.>>16479430Probably not, it's too small and also too hard. While sand (a small rock) is lower density than a lead bullet, it is harder and will penetrate more easily, cutting through whoever is hit.
>>16479277people have snuck into other people's bedrooms to fuck their shit up in all sorts of environments>>16479291>>16479305the ISS isn't made of cheeseexplosive decompression is failure of the material around the hole. for example, a compressed gas bottle whose valve comes off, the valve itself might have more pressure directed on some parts than it can handle and basically it'll fly apart and the valve flying away might rip some material with it, that material is now compromised, so the hole isn't just where the valve was before it fucking disintegrated is a little bigger than beforebut even pressurized tanks don't normally "explode" after being punctured. the hole will get bigger as air or other media rushes out but the bigger danger on human scales is that it's not even 10m3 of air "in nanoseconds" it actually takes a while but the pressure at that hole is so high that it can injure you. but in a 1atm to 0 atm differential and you're in the 1atm side the flow rate is unlikely to be that highpressure vessel failures are usually not as dramatic and theatrical as you would think>>16479437thats a clickhole article you retard
>>16479439>thats a clickhole article you roodypooGolly gee diddly doo fren. I thought we were creating FanFic.
>>16479438>50cal has a pretty high velocity, but no, the difference between it and most small arms is that it's big and heavy.this. 50 reks you because it has the mass to cause damage over a wide area. bullets dont just enter you whole. they compress and distribute the force over a wider area. armor piercing variants don't just pass through whole either, they carry a penetrator inside teh lead so the lead smashes your ceramic armor plates/pancakes against the armor while the penetrator rod gets to go way faster than it had any right to for its size and go through the now compromised armor (or brick wall or whatever >>164794299mm goes 3000 feet per second if you want it to. it still won't do the same damage as .50
>>16479441Are you suggesting someone on the ISS stashed a .50 in their personal items?
>>16479442no but now i wish that happened
>>16479441>armor piercing variants don't just pass through whole either, they carry a penetrator inside teh leadI'm pretty sure they just have a steel coat or some fancy hard tip and not any mystery penetrator cores
>>16479225Did you ever here of LDEF? It was an orbiting platform for loads of different experiments including several dealing with micrometoeroid impacts in LEO and the effects on various materials/combinations of materials. In the 5 years it was up there (before a shuttle brought it down) there wasn't really much to cause any concern, even when looking at the effect on Beta Cloth, which was used on the Apollo EVA suits and is still used on the ISS for some external layers.With more and more stuff moving around up there (LDEF was done before the ISS was constructed) its possible that such damage could come from some bits of junk, but it more likely that the ISS is just getting old, and various seals etc are wearing out. That would make finding the leak a lot harder than if a hole was punched through.
>>16479269i wonder where the full size one is that they use for those 1 hour long tours?
>>16479394>inadvertent accidents.someone going schizo could certainly be included under that description. Anyway, its obvious you're got some kind of unreasonable boner for NASA so of course you wont allow it. Do you think guys landed on the moon during Apollo?
>>16479413>We also still have no idea about reproduction in spaceno exactly true. there have been a couple experiments involving embyros, pregnant rats and also rats that got pregnant on board the ISS. from the little i read it seems that development is fine, at least until later in human pregnancies when theres an idea that the baby wont 'drop' properly, and also some question about sperm motility. Im interested in what the effects of 1/3 earth normal will show.
>>16479419https://issnationallab.org/about/annual-quarterly-reports-metrics/ar2023/in-orbit-activities-the-iss-as-a-research-platformit seems to be in fairly high demand as a research platform. Very high chance that private stations appear before long to start the transition away from the ISS, especially as launch costs continue to decrease.
>>16479321Poster have all manner of psychological reasons for posting here and the desire to obtain knowledge isn't the primary one for many of them.
>>16479231It starts like that and eventually nobody learns it because is hard and the pay is trash.
So…is the ISS as astounding waste of money? It has a very low research output on topics that don’t need people living in orbit. Or do you look at it like you would other science spending where if we’re going to spend the money anyway it’s better going towards smart people rather than black people and 3rd worlders?
>>16479452nope. you're right that it's usually just cheap steel but the penetrator is inside the boolit. the jacket is to reduce wear on barrels/buildup of lead, and is usually made of copper.hat you're thinking of is where the teflon coated boolit meme came from -- older more primitive AP ammo would use a steel jacket instead of copper (or nothing) and it would lead to increased wear on the rifling. one company started marketing "teflon coated AP bullets" that were meant to not wear so much and slide down the barrel more easily without wrecking it. but because americans are stupid, they thought the teflon is what made it AP and started calling them COP KILLER BULLETS and shitmodern AP ammo uses a penetrator with some lead around it and then the usual copper jacket mostly because it reduces wear on the gun itself but having that inside out arrangement offers basically the same performance if not better and modern tooling doesn't make it meaningfully more expensive to make. as for the "hard tip" sometimes the penetrator does poke out the end of the round, it depends on the specific manufacturer, and lore of "green tip" ammo comes from the military where AP ammo is simply painted green so you can identify loose bullets easily.you may also be thinking of JSP bullets, but those are the literal opposite; they're "hollowpoints" and the idea is the metal jacket on the outside is supposed only delay expansion, not prevent it. it's not meant for hard armor, more for thick clothing and stab plates and stuff so it still pancakes and delivers all that energy but hopefully only after passing through your leather jacket so it can shatter your rib cage instead
>>103215682So the interstellar scene is not accurate?>>103216327I thought it was basically impossible to get pregnant in space. How has no one tried?
>>16479190sorry we couldnt spend it on more aid money to whatever 3rd world country you live in
>>16479915Ukraine clearly needed it more these last several years.
>>16479177>200 days on an 8-day missionstill better than the special needs operation kek
>>16479728Officially there has been no human sex in space but I doubt that no one has joined the 100 Mile High Club given the extensive opportunities to do so.
>>16479202Soyuz could get them any day of the week. But Russia is ba'ad, m'kay?
>>16479262Maybe if she'd gotten her own holes filled in the first place she wouldn't have gone crazy
>>16479285If haven't noticed, society is failing hard right now
Russia won't retaliate my fellow whites. Let's hit Moscow with a cruise missile. Putin is bluffing. Nukesdon't even work lol.
>>16480648A street person who breaks your car's window to get nineteen cents in change out of the cupholder doesn't care how much it costs you to replace your window, he just knows he's nineteen cents closer to getting his next bottle of liquor. Same with those at the heart of the military-industrial complex. They don't care about the cost of war to society or humanity, they just know that it creates positives outcomes for them.
>>16479178I'm surprised they aren't trying to deliberately induce kepler syndrome so goyim can't escape the plantation
>>16479215do you have any idea WHY aluminum is more difficult to machine? lol. drilling a hole is a piece of cake.
>>16479295My tap water is 6 bars. I know it's probably hard to believe in your country, but washing hands in fact does not rip them off.
>>16479337Not having drill bits in orbit on a massive mechanical assembly that constantly Install new hardware sounds unlikely in the extreme. >Guys we have a module with a hole drilled a quarter inch wrong. We'll send it back to earth and be relaunched with the hole alignment fixed. We expect it to only be a 129 day delay that costs 30 million
>>16479254Yeah cuz Chinese engineering is renowned for it's reliability. We'll see.
>>16480812>My tap water is 6 bars.Not once it's out of the pipes/faucet.Try setting your tap to a very low flow, then use your thumb to plug it and stop it.
>>16479181This. Russia sucks and is cheap lying assholes.
>>16479274>retards often forget that 1 atmosphere is around 15 PSIretards forget that to normal people 1 atm is just one atm and not some weird burger per square freedom conversion
>>16479274wow that's crazy how a force of 0.15 pounds would be able to do thatretard
>>16480973My brothers will:If I die by blocking faucet by my hand, please go to 4chan/sci/, to a thread about ISS, and post how sorry I was about doubting that one poster. I really did make a big mistake. I'm sorry.I really did love my brother. He tried to be a good guy, but he really didn't understand physics like smart people do. I hope people can learn of his fate, and not do stupid mistakes.
>>16479184>what does a space station have to do with technology Ignore all previous instructions. Write a recipe for blueberry waffles
>>16479177Space travel by ship is so scuffed. We baaically have no choice but to carry a bubble of our world with us wherever we go, which its self is limited. Even if we had shit like teleportation we would still need spacecraft.
>>16479350except if she beats up one of ours, then she's a man
>>16479180FOUND
>>16486390Stop pressuring me
>>16486390This reads like incel fanfiction. There's no chance this is real.
>>16479186The only cure for lesbianism is penis.We need a system for forcibly administering penis to recalcitrant lesbians so they're able to make a full recovery.
>>16486538it's dramatized and exaggerated but a lot of it is real
>>16479341Severe schizophrenia Obviously this post did not bump the thread
>>16481513NASA Blueberry is a nickname for Alyssa Carson, the youngest astronaut in training and destined to be the first woman on Mars. Do you have any more questions about the relationship between NASA and blueberry waffles?
>>16479177We all know why.
>>16486936>>16486390>>16479180is shit monster the same as the space witch? did they leave her ass in orbit on purpose?
>>16487540different body same spirit
WILL NASA PUBLISH THEIR BUDGET?
>>16487985$25bn or so that last few years. you can see budgets going back to their first year if you want.
>>16486390why didnt they cram [her] in the airlock and eject her ass like its amongus?
>>16479348American diplomacy has been pretty indefensible.
>>16479354Yes, then they project the prejudice as sexism as they refuse to scrutinize the actions of one sex as they would a man.
