>The 'Great Elon Musk' - editionprevious >>16487736
You messed up the op nigger
>>16489839thats how its supposed to be kind fellow.
>>16489819
>When I first came here, this was all swamp. >Everyone said I was daft to build a starport on a swamp, but I built in all the same, just to show them. >It sank into the swamp. So I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. >So I built a third. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. >But the fourth one stayed up. And that's what you're going to get, Lad, the largest starport in all of the USA.
>>16489839It will filter out faggots
>>16489872Musk literally draining the swamp in Starbase.Now he's on to drain the swamp in DC
>>16489877Please dont compare my monthy python reference to politics.
>>16489877He should flood Israel with the water he drained.
>>16489819>bumps all the shit threads at the bottom of the board just to push us to page 10>stages with this OP
I think they should drain a lake on Titan just to see what's down there.>inb4 send a subToo murky, drain lake instead
>>16489882You're welcome
>>16489880>The concern is elon musk building 60% of satellitesGovernments can pay other people to build them then. What’s stopping them?
>>16489880!!
I like the edition name, but I think it should been more fitting like last week, when Trump called him like that. Anyways, all hail Musk.
I love space related anime girls
>>16489891paper-mache rocket
you need electric cars on marshyperloop works in ambient atmosphereetc
>>16489819It's always awkward when someone draws you like that. What are you supposed to say to that?
>>16489891YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE ANIDIOT TO BELIEVE THIS IS FUCKING REAL.
>>16489891This makes me want a starship with wood paneling. For old time’s sake.
>>16489896>"I know you can do it better."
So howdoes the spaceshuttle land on the moonif there is no runway?
>>16489900fuck
>>16489891Literally the ugliest new space rocket. Even chinkshit looks better.Either paint or do no not.
how much easier will it be to drill on the moon and will it be enough to enable geothermal power there? How about Mars as well? https://x.com/i/grok/share/1SrbXaMiNFFmolMOnvVfTBRaKgrok is saying the mars one might be legit since it has a molten core
>>16489888The concern is nobody else caring to launch often enough to be competitive, also checked.At least the chinks are sort of trying to, they just have to actually finish something first.
>>16489895It would just be a train
>>16489901space shuttle doesn't need a runway
>>16489908It's a brick with wings, ofcourse it needs a runway.
>>16489912>>16489901just hire some KSP players to fly it. they'll figure it out.
>>16489912you know vlc has a take screenshot button right?
>>16489901
>>16489819Joey Tribbiani wtf is this bro
>>16489891yet, your mom still doesn't feel anything
>>16489904just build solar panels over tall towers in the poles
>>16489895electric cars are known for overheatingthis issue is compounded on Mars, where it's obscenely thin atmosphere means that conduction and convection (normal way things cool down on Earth) through that medium is effectively non-existentbasically, not with the current technology
>>16489925Can't you transfer the heat to keep the astronauts warm?
I'd rather have food replicators than space travel. Looks like a big waste of money to me.
>>16489925you just need more of a heat sink then
I'd rather have space travel than food replicators. Looks like a big waste of money to me.
>>16489928Social Security and welfare to single mothers is also a waste of money, but I don't have a say in that as well.
>>16489654Holy fucking shit, we have become so numb bros. This footage would have melted the brains of /sfg/ if we saw this only two years ago
>>16489934https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXYiU_JCYtU
>>16489932infidelity is bad but should we really live in a society where if you die doing your job your child is going to die or become a prostitute?
>>16489928that's a good fucking sandwich
>>16489928I'd rather have space travel than Africa.
>>16489934its fucking boring. land on the moon or mars and wake me up then.
https://x.com/blueorigin/status/1860107744386138163BO tourists
>>16489925you still need a vehicle though
>>16489946We need a rocket that can do the same, but with 20 to 50 people.
>>16489928>I'd rather have food replicatorsIt's called a woman, incel
>>16489952this guy drinks milk
>>16489953problem?
>>16489934The only moment I felt something in the last flight was when Starship went through the clouds and the buoy view of the splashdown.It's bizarre how fast it got boring, I'm barely even watching Falcon 9 launches now unless they got a cool payload.
>>16489871I do wonder if (when?) NASA will finally say>fuck it, Starship is safe enoughAnd launch / land humans in it. I say this could maybe, perhaps, realistically happen in the next decade.
>>16489931how do they get food?
>>16489959SLS has to fail hard for it to happen. And even then it's not certain, oldspace wants the money.A private moon landing will happen first, I bet Jared will want to do it.
>>16489958I am still wildly entertained by each launch of Starship. I'll even watch the refueling launches when its time.
>>16489958I guess its becuase everyone knew the score withthis flight. its an exact repeat of last flight with all the same problems, so nothign came as a surprise and we didnt expect a miracle. whilst nowhere near as exciting as ift4, I was still surprised that the ship made it this time
>>16489964farming>>16489946still better than election tourists
>>16489858Yeah it snapped in half. Did anyone check if the break point was the same as where the steel was warping during reentry?
>>16489925The moon rover worked in the 70s on the Moon when they barely knew how to make a functional battery. EVs will be fine. Actually now that I think about it the reduced atmospheric pressure and gravity means that the motor will barely have to work for the car to move so you'd probably have LESS heat than on Earth
>>16489928looks gross desu
>>16489972Good luck eating like a medieval peasant.
>>16489979Oh no, bread and meat and vegetables. How will we survive without pizza rolls and twinkies, /sfg/?
>>16489979are you retarded?
>>16489908>STS-3 was the only shuttle mission to land at White Sands Missile Range. The unexpectedly difficult landing and post flight conditions damaged the shuttle, requiring extensive repair at KSC. So much gypsum dust covered Columbia that Bolden recalled, "I flew it several flights later on my first flight, STS-61-C, and when we got on orbit, there was still gypsum coming out of everything! They thought they had cleaned it ... but it was just unreal what it had done!" Dust continued to be found in the spacecraft for the rest of its career.
>no chicken tendies on mars
>>16489931How are these things supposed to work? I'm not talking about structural integrity, I'm talking about resource transfer and pressure management. How would they create an airtight seal on a rotating structure attached to a non-rotating structure?
>>16489986What an unlucky vehicle.>>16489988Hard times create strong Martians, please understand.
>>16489990worlds most expensive slip ring
>>16489981>>16489983kek. this general is actually /pol/ 2 now. What could POSSIBLY go wrong with a closed economy the size of a small town...
>>16489976they used thermal radiator units to convert heat into the infrared spectrum to radiate it awaythere were less demands on the lunar rover than regular EVs, and there's no way an Earth designed EV without this modification could function normallymoreover, the Martian dust would pose the same problems to the radiator systems that were encountered on the moonnamely, dust accumulation negatively affects the efficiency of the thermal radiatorsyou probably have a point about that whole gravity thing though
>>16489931>>16489972>>16489990Why is spaceflight concept artwork always "GIGA SIZED SPACE COLONY ON ALPHA CENTAURI THAT LOOKS JUST LIKE EARTH" while the serious proposals are always "maybe we can send 3 people to Mars 100 years into the future"?
>>16489979Gladly.>>16489972The horticulture section is going to be very important for many reasons.Not least because fermentation is more efficient in low G, also because their plants effectively produce oxygen, medicine, etc.
>>16489996>nooo you can't just grow food for people!
>>16489904Nobody wants to see your lazypost ai garbage nigger
>>16490002oldspace buck broken by decades of congress controlled spaceflight.pic rel is also a serious proposal bee tea dubs
>>16489928that thing looks like a complete fucking disaster, I would appreciate the opportunity to tell the chef directly what a wank he is
>>16490006Wow. Did you just use the n-word? That's so rude.
>>16490002>ALPHA CENTAURII'm pretty sure the three are supposed to be on one of the lagrange points>while the serious proposals are always "maybe we can send 3 people to Mars 100 years into the future"Because government led space programs are filled with corruption and low thumos retards, thank God for the private sector and daring people with a lot of money
>>16490008Not defending oldspace bullshit, but the ambitious pics never seen to be made thinking about the actual engineering and practicality of what is shown.
>>16489904>guh- guuyysphhbt>I um, I um, uh I talkuh...>Askuh I talke uh ask-uh I said the robot to umm>it sayed muh, um, for mars cus it uhhhhhhhhh...
>>16489891Why do muskrats seethe so much when they see new glenn?
>>16490008are those little yellow lights meant to be homesteads?
>mogs moonship
>>16489981>meatWe aren't ready for cows in space yet, though that is an endgame tier goal for humanity. It should technically be possible to create a cow-powered (and potentially operated) generation ship using methane capture units to create fuel from their farts and from the oxygen produced by the plants they would be feeding on. No I haven't done the math.Basically what you'd be getting instead for the forseeable future are lab cultivated meat cultures.Martian and Lunar dairy farms can maybe happen eventually, but we would need to send a cow into a loop around the moon like we did with Apollo 13 first to prove the concept.
>>16490017they know its the falcon killer and even the starship killer if project jarvis works.>first they ignore you>then they laugh at you>then they fight you (YOU ARE HERE)>the Blue wins
>>16490020the meat will mostly be tilapia and chickens
>>16490020>uplifted cow starpilots
>>16490022Tilapia is literally chicken shit, nutritionally speaking.It would be easier to simply implement lab grown meat products. That way you have more control over the product, and less chance of disease spreading among your stock of chickens (which would be a disaster, bird flu on steroids).
>>16490025That would be one example of neuralink being useful.
>>16489979>not living on processed shit is LE BAD actually >>16489996>closed economy How is a space station any more closed than any island on Earth?
>>16490026>it would be easier to do (thing that is a massive fucking meme and always will be) than raising chicken no, also>less chance of disease LOL no, keeping lab grown meat free of pestilence is incredibly difficult, you are taking homeostasis and the immune system and trying to replicate it in a fucking vat
>>16490029>How is a space station any more closed than any island on Earth?Come on dude... It's more energy expensive to travel around space than to sail across the sea, so even in the limit where space travel becomes super cheap it will still be less feasible than living on a desert island by an order of 100x.And even still, the people on isolated islands which dont have billionaires on them eat like shit and die young.
>>16490002Do you know what the point of art is ?
>>16490035Energy is not a real unit of expense. If it was we'd cry at wasted solar radiation nonstop. If it's cheap, which it will eventually be and will HAVE to be to build an O'Neill cylinder, then it's cheap, period >scaremongering No one is suffering from eating fresh produce you fucking weirdo
>>16490034>keeping lab grown meat free of pestilence is incredibly difficultFacts?Cause I thought the controled environment you would need for that to work in the first place would already account for that. And looking this problem up, I'm recieving mixed reports on this issue.For the record, keeping animals free of disease is also difficult.Anyways, what makes cows such a great candidate for spaceflight is the fact that their dung is "cool" unlike say goat or human dung.Which means it doesn't "burn" plants on contact like human and goat dung does, and is incredible fertilizer. Doesn't need intensive composting like those other examples.All I'm thinking is, bull shit might literally be the secret ingredient to a free energy system.Cows eat plants, produce CO2 and methane.Cows breathe oxygen, produce shit.Plants consume CO2 and cow shit, produce oxygen.The methane and excess oxygen are captured to provide unlimited gas.What exactly am I missing here.
i coulda done a falcon 9 if i had a billion dollars too
>>16490020>Basically what you'd be getting instead for the forseeable future are lab cultivated meat cultures.Why not chickens?
>>16490040bezosbros...
>>16490041avian influenzalow G environments and cosmic radiation make the immune system shit itself, this is why quarantine chambers and strict medical protocols are going to be necessary until we develop the technology needed to mitigate both problems
>>16490040I probably would have just done an electron.maybe a firefly alpha with parachute recovery bolted on.
Stupid question, is it public that Raptor 314 that flew on B12 flew again on B13?
>>16490046Be careful not to violate ITAR. Bud.
>>16490046WHAT!
>>16490002others anons have already said it, but I'll just expand on that point: the lack of ambition in these last 50 years was just gruesome. You can literally see by yourself how this feeling of adventure and conquest swindled throughout the years in the media, the general public, and literature. During the 60s, nobody could stop us. Everyone thought we would have a permanent Moon base by the 70s, Mars missions by the 80s, Jupiter by the 90s, Saturn and the exterior solar system by 2000s, alpha centauri next, literally unstoppable. Then, year after year, the sentiment ended. Look how many good works of space fiction came out in the 60s and 70s. By the 90s and later years, sci-fi just forgot about space travel, and robots/AI were the new fad. In this period if you talked about settling Mars, let alone the Moon, everyone would looked as though you were crazy. Quite the 180° change in our species' mindset.
>>16490021We've been alternating between ignoring and laughing at Blue for years.They're generally ignored, but every so often they do something laughable.
Freshwater eels will be the play
>>16490040he didn't have a billion dollars
>>16489976the moon is harsher because it has 15 days straight of cold with no sun
>>16490055non issue
>>16490051Also, look at the proposals and serious studies we had before Apollo was cancelled. NTP, NERVA, Apollo Applications Program, etc. We were supposed to build bigger, and more powerful rocket to land on Mars by 1980. There were talks for manned flybys around Venus, real spin-hab stations, and I'm sure many were suggesting the possibility of getting to Callisto. Unfortunately, we realized too late that governments and politicians do not care about space, so we had to wait half a century for an autistic billionaire to set us on the right path again.
>>16490053I have never tried eel, but have heard it tastes okay.You would want to ensure that any flukes (parisites) are eliminated from their tanks prior to launch.
>>16490048OSINT is ipso facto unable to violate ITAR
>>16490054lol, many people forget that musk became a billionaire due to spacex and tesla succeeding, not the other way around.
>>16490058absolutely none of those proposals would at any point reduce $/lb to orbitso in the end they were all junk
>>16490055Just keep the batteries warm during lunar night, dummyIt's like having a block heater for your diesel
>>16490036Normie get frustrated when the future they were sold into doesn't happen.Plus, I just wanna see concepts that actually have a ground and aren't cucked at the same time.
>>16490049Yes, it's in the gulf of mexico now, howeverMaybe it'll be fished...
>>16490063Well, there are some good arguments saying that the Apollo pace was just unsustainable in the long term, and eating away 4% of your national GDP every year is not a good prospect. However, I do think that they would've eventually found a way for the entire process to become simplified, and for everything to become mass-produced. Nonetheless, Wernher was no Musk, and as far as I know he wasn't as business savvy as Elon, so that was one of his weaknesses.
>>16490068>However, I do think that they would've eventually found a way for the entire process to become simplifiedThey would not, unless it was in their contract to do soObviously they weren't chasing cost savings, they were just at the start of the whole thing and computers were piles of shit still
>>16490065I think it's a good thing to aim a bit high when it comes to concepts. It's cool and fun
>>16490072least complex NASA umans to Mars design.
>>16490044Lmao source: your ass
>>16490054Emerald mine
>>16489990The entire thing rotates.
>>16490069>They would notSo, what do you think would've been the best-case scenario out all of this then? A Moon mission every now and then, till boing and locksneed would start with their decades-long grift? Or are you suggesting that no matter what, we would have to "wait" for computer tech to get better?
>>16490073take the girder pill
>>16490069>unless it was in their contract to do soSo fucking make it part of the contract???? Everything else of importance is mass produced. Open source all the gained knowledge from apollo and do a bunch of fixed price tenders with rewards for cost reduction and slowly taper down the fixed price rewards.>they were just at the start of the whole thing and computers were piles of shit stillOK and? When you have government sized budgets you can just mass produce expendable steel methane vehicles for pennies while computers catch up in the 80s or so.
Also I'm sure booster reuse could have been achieved with ground based computation and radio controls.
>>16490072I swear I'm seeing an anime girl in the thumbnail. sfg rotted my mind.
>>16490076No, everything I said about microgravity and cosmic radiation negatively affecting your immune system is true and something I learned while studying the problem.
>>16490098it fell into the sun right at the end
>>16490080all O'Neill Cylinder concepts have some sort of non-rotating connector between two cylinders to cancel momentum or a wet/dry dock for spacecraft that is not rotating with the habitatThe bishop ring/stanford torus is the one where the entire thing rotates at once
>>16490098I wonder how many MIRVS you could fit in it.
>>16490104100+. That's a nation-flattener in a single launch. Starship is a potential WMD the likes of which the world has never seen.
>>16490104>>16490105Starship could support over 400 Mark 21 reentry vehicles by mass, not sure about space thohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W87
spehs
>>16490106>>16490105oh god, just imagine
>>16490109Yes, imagine
>>16490111I don't care what other people say, Terminator 3 was a good movie. Loved all the explosions and shit.
>>16490058I like space exploration as much as you do, but there wasn't any actual economical or practical return at the time besides Earth monitoring and telecom satellites. Arguably, the only new thing added now is space tourism for the very rich.>>16490072Underselling your ambitions can actually work well. See the mars rovers for examples.
>>16490113loved it too, but it might just be nostalgia since I was still using diapers when I first watched it
>>16490113>>16490122Gen Alpha will be saying this for shit like the Star Wars sequels
>>16490124That's not true, that's impossible!
>>16490120>Arguably, the only new thing added now is space tourism for the very rich.As close as the moon is already basically an infinite source of metals and rare earth material, there's definitely reasons to expand, we only lacked the will to do it for the last 50 years.Granted, at the time to run a space program was so ridiculously expensive that everyone thought that only governments could do it, and that it was almost a given that they would try because of the USSRNo government to build that railroads. No expansion. That was the truth sice the 70's but now it will change, and we wont be at the mercy of corrupt useless bureaucrats (we'll be at the mercy of corrupt venture capitalists!).
Will asians be allowed on Mars? Beaners are a given as they are necessary to make repairs to Starships at scale.
>>16490135I'm crossing my fingers really hard that there will be something very profitable (and more than on Earth) that can be done on the Moon or even just orbit.Be it the Helium-3 meme, mining and industry that is somehow more economical there, a room-temperature superconductor or some other special material that can only be manufactured in microgravity.
>>16490136Whoever can pay for it.
>>16490124I swear, ever since I first watched as a kid that scene where Luke falls down through some tubes, which was right after having his arm severed, I've been terribly scared of heights and falling into a gas giant. life-long trauma lolhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVzlBMjQYJ0
>>16490140Sorry anons, not gaaaning with you to Jupiter and Saturn, they scare the shit out of me.
>>16490140>falling into a gas giantI bet it gets dark before the pressure crushes your rib cage
>>16490137There's this guy AnthroFuturism on yt that dedicates his entire channel on why and how to colonize the moon and make a profit out of it.I'm hopeful that once starship goes operational and the cost per kg goes <1000$ there will be a new wave of industrialists willing to make infrastructure to colonize the moon.Maybe it will be the new fad for the Elon orbiting cryptobros and alike.
>>16490143The Venera probes got a decent visibility of Venus's surface, but the pressure there is enough to crush you so I don't think it would be the case for a gas giant, unless the cloud coverage above you is really thick.
>>16490145Oh so you can see the flying squids first, cool
>>16490098Finally, sea dragon
>>16490145We urgently need pictures of how the clouds and sky look from the gas giants "surface". These planets do seem to have a sky like ours, but I'm not sure if there's like a big open space with clouds as surface (like picrel), and then all of sudden it's all dark from there, or it's all more gradual and it only gets dark after several kilometres down.
>>16490151Conversely, sometimes we see Jupiter depicted as having no traditional sky whatsoever, just featuring a very thick cloud layer at the top and that's it, then all dark from there.
>>16490153It’s called night time bro
>>16490120>Underselling your ambitions can actually work well. See the mars rovers for examples.yeah but that's not art. NASA and artists are disconnected
>>16490151Weve already gone over why Jupiter cloud probes will never happen.
>>16490146they are really cute, I wish something like that could exist, would make the universe more interesting.>>16490154Cosmos fucked up and that artist rendition shows stars as if it were nighttime, but they were trying to depict Jupiter during the day.>>16490157I just want pics, don't care if the probe dies after some minutes.
Send a guy with a camera.Yes, EVERYWHERE.
me when somebody tries to steal my Starship
>>16490157I'm very sure there was a Jupiter atmospheric probe early on, no camera unfortunately.>>16490151I think the most recent Neptune and Uranus orbiter proposals included atmospheric probes with cameras. Sadly, those won't happen any since the budget will all go to Artemis and more Mars stuff.At the very least I hope someone will do a Venus balloon probe with a camera, I think ISRO is working on that.
>>16490061sorry mate, that picture was BORN SECRET information
>>16490098ANTI-GRAVITY TECHNOLOGY! SLS IS FINISHED!
>>16489925Put some cool lookin rads on it
>>16490039>Low gravity wagyu steaksMars's first high dollar export. I can see it now
what kind of rocket is /sfg/ anyways? we've staged thousands of times and yet we seem to only ever reach new lows
>>16490259
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1860212606851776683
>>16490259trying to liftoff off a black hole
>>16490261>my_sex_life.mp4
>>16490261How are people still falling for hydromeme
>>16490064>Just keep the batteries warm during lunar nightWith what power? There's no solar power, unless you've got radio-thermal power, hope your batteries have enough to keep themselves warm for two weeks so they don't freeze up before the sun comes back.
/sfg/ is so fucking gone
Alleged characterstics of Zhuque 3 vs Zhuque-3 Improved (ZQ3 vs ZQ3G)The previously advertised performances correspond to the ZQ3G, which will use the so far untested TQ-12B/TQ-15B engines. The version that will be used on the first few launches next year (x doubt on timeline) will use slightly uprated versions of the current TQ-12A/TQ-12B engines.ZQ3:Expended >= 11.8tDownrange >= 8t ZQ3G:Expended >= 21.3tDownrange >= 18.3tRTLS >= 12.5t
>>16490046I know that 387 being reflown is public.
