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New Glenn - Edition
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proof that being a space youtuber has no value unless its for spacex
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1st for wood spacecrafts.
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>>16494696
more like phillip slop haha
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>>16494696
If they erected 1/5th of a SRB half as often as SpaceX flings a flaming steel garbage can into the pacific then maybe people would pay attention
Side note, arguing with autistic oldspace boomers in his comments is very fun (<--- you can do this too)
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>>16494691
I am forgotten
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>>16494705
why is it silver? are they abandoning carbon composites and switching to steel? if so its so over for neutron kek.
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>>16494708
Nah lol that was the mk1 design. It was originally metal.
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>>16494702
wqhy does it look so real? whichever cg artist made this is goated.
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why does the orion capsule need a heat shield at all anyways
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>>16494711
Most scientists agree that astronauts should be reusable.
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Throw Muskrats in the LEO brig
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>>16494713
humiliation ritual
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Simply alter the properties of the vacuum around your ship to increase the speed of light, that way you're never trying to exceed it
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I hate Elon so much
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>>16494710
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/gR9QNQ
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>>16494726
incredible stuff
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>>16494725
body shaming is bad.
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>>16494715
but you would have to fly them at least 10 times to make economic sense, though
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>>16494721
based false-vacuum drive CHAD
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Zhuque-2E Y1 in about 50 mintes
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>>16494726
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>>16494713
Starship/Orion is such an absurd arrangement it hurts my brain.
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>>16494741
>American astronaut height-mogging the chinaman
lololol
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>>16494741
oh right that's a soviet. I'm tired.
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>>16494725
>>16494728
Leftists invented "body-shaming is bad" so they could monopolize it and then use it on people they hate.
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>>16494743
Artemis is proof that the product of an organization always looks like its org chart.
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ZQ-2E Y1 launch success
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>>16494760
The payloads are Guāng chuán 01&02
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>We got another ZQ-2E at next month.
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Japan mogged
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>>16494771
>>16494773
The Chinese are extremely strong and confident.
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>>16494760
>>16494771
>>16494773
why should i care about this
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>>16494773
holy crap. this better be a rainy day or fog
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>>16494773
"Land Your Dream In Space"

I'm always impressed by western cultural dominance.
Like, could you imagine an american rocket, launching in america, for american customers, plastered with chinese characters?
Insane.
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>>16494777
China's trying really hard but I can't escape the feeling they're spinning their wheels. 50% of their launches are still old style hypergolics, and the rest are split pretty evenly between new cryogenics and solid fuel designs. The LM-5/6/7 were supposed to replace the 2/3/4s but they've been flying for a decade and they can't seem to compete on cost or cadence. Now they've got dozen new rockets in development all competing for the same spot in the launch market.
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>>16494782
kek
I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with fog...
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>>16494782
never been to China anon? lol
LA used to be like that before emissions standard were a thing
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>>16494786
https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/1861601051599884612
https://weibo.com/tv/show/1034:5105271127605290?from=old_pc_videoshow

Video

>all competing for the same spot in the launch market.
It is a Starlink sized spot, however.
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>>16494791
>all competing for the same spot in the launch market.
They're not actually competing
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>>16494786
Remember that Zhuque-2 is the first methane-fueled rocket to reach orbit and deliver a payload. Starshipbros...
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>>16494796
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>>16494788
Their whole dress and fashion is European in origin, even their political leadership dress themselves in the way of white people. The cultural domination is so thorough most people never even stop to think about it.

>The suit's origins trace the simplified, sartorial standard established by the English king Charles II in the 17th century, following the example of his one-time host King Louis XIV's court at Versailles, who decreed that in the English Court men would wear a long coat, a waistcoat (then called a "petticoat"), a cravat (a precursor of the necktie), a wig, knee breeches (trousers), and a hat. The paintings of Jan Steen, Pieter Bruegel the Elder, and other painters of the Dutch Golden Era reveal that such an arrangement was already used in Holland, if not Western Europe as a whole.
>The current styles, founded in the Great Male Renunciation of the late 18th century, sharply changed the elaborately embroidered and jewelled formal clothing into the simpler clothing of the British Regency period, which gradually evolved to the stark formality of the Victorian era. In the late 19th century, it was in the search for more comfort that the loosening of rules gave rise to the modern lounge suit.
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>>16494798
*technically* the only operational Methane fuelled launcher right now
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>>16494807
not so fast
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>>16494807
starship took a plushie payload to a 50km x ~200km orbit on flight 6
try again bugman
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Succesful S2 restart and deorbit burn.
T0 at 10:00:03.304 UTC+8
Satellites are "LEO constellation technological demonstrators"

>>16494812
>didn't separate
ohnonono
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>>16494815
chinese pebbles......
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>>16494721
luminiferous aether is back in style
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>>16494817
what fucked up lens is this
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>>16494809
won't launch this year
guaranteed
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As far as I can tell, upcoming Chinese megaconstellation launches :

11/30 CZ12 Guowang batch 1 (according to an announcement back in august)
12/02 C26A Qianfan batch 3
12/15 CZ5B Guowang batch 2 (polar)
12/2nd half CZ8 Qianfan batch 4
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>>16494828
astroonomers: "we dont have a problem with these"
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>>16494812
it was 150km x 5 km after the relight actually
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>>16494794
>>16494795
the road is wet you retards
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>>16494781
this is almost certainly going to become the Chinese Falcon 9
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>>16494839
>15 year old technology
we sleep
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>>16494840
but it's methane
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explain what's different between rockets now and rockets in the 60s?
the closest we ever got to an SSTO was the Atlas missile and the most efficient main engine ever built was the RS-25 shortly after the moon landings.
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>>16494846
RS-25 is a 1970s hangar queen exactly like the F-14 Tomcat's engines. Raptor is an insane upgrade in mdot and thrust/area for only about 15% less Isp which is why Starship doesn't need SRBs.
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>>16494830
Do astronomers and the media ever realize that getting rid of Starlink also means hindering Ukraine and their war efforts? Are they unironically in favor of that? Don't wanna get political, just pointing out that you can't nationalize Starlink to aid Ukraine, and at the same time have a night sky clear of any satellite so that astrooonomers can take pretty pictures, it's contradictory.
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cut my penus off
this is my last resort
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>>16494846
SSTOs are retarded in a world where you can build reusable TSTOs
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>>16494701
more like philip sls
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>>16494725
for you this is the bad timeline
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>no visual of landing
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Another successful Starlink launch, so boring it went unnoticed.
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>>16494854
you have anal autism
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>>16494696
Sloss doesn't exactly advertise himself, it it wasn't for his presence on that Artemis discord I wouldn't even know about his channel (which is actually pretty good for keeping tabs on the Artemis program).
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>>16494868
How could you tell?
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>>16494854
Kute
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>>16494854
is she holding a marshmallow and starship torch?? kawaiiiiiii
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>>16494854
thank you, anon
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Chima is freaking incredible
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>>16494877
who's Chima?
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>>16494878
You know what I meant
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>>16494878
It's a LEGO thing
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>>16494879
but i don't tho
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>>16494880
>chink chonk
not spaceflight
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>>16494885
wtf the fuck is wrong with you? retard
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>>16494877
true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9Eewd8TEWE
>>16494878
a vtuber
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https://x.com/sbarky38/status/1861583637679882472
Important post in the history of rocket girls
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how far we've come
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What is the next novel spacecraft material?
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Fuck the fog
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>>16494697
comfy 90s rockets
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>>16494890
GO BACK TO BLUESKY SBARKY AND NOW I KNOW YOURE THE SPESS POSTER TOO
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>>16494906
schizo!
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>>16494854
I wish I could draw
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Spessposter and clearfag are the same person btw (sbarky)
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>>16494904
>He took us to the Moon is what he did. He was a brilliant engineer. And in this house, von Braun is a hero. End of story!
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>>16494909
what is spess
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>>16494897
looks like steel will remain the champion for a long time
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>>16494909
all me btw
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>>16494909
Clear is my oshi, but I don't post her, thats someone else.

spehs
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>>16494890
Anime was a mistake
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>>16494895
I still think about how much of a non-event flight 6 felt like. Like it's cool, but I was mostly interested in how the ship will do during entry heating. Remarkable how fast it started seeming ordinary and unexciting that it's coming down from space and doing a crazy flip. I suppose flight 8 will be the next special one with the potential tower catch
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>>16494897
Obviously it will be cast iron. It will further Musk's vision of minimizing production time by casting the entire fuel tanks and the plumping in them all in one go. Once they reach the larger diameter in future versions the added mass of the cast iron wouldn't matter.
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>>16494919
>the iss is the size of a building in an oneill cylinder
we have a long way to go
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>>16494906
>a bunch of twitter artists delete their accounts and move to Bluesky thinking they can't opt out of AI training
>they fell for a lie and destroyed all their efforts building a following for nothing

The cherry on top, besides the fact that Bluesky has no traffic, is that as soon as lefties designated it their new safe space it was flooded with reports of CP.
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>accidentally looked at the sci catalog
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>>16494927
We've gained more ground in the last 2 years of starship, fuck, the last 2 months of OFT 5 and 6 than the last 20 years.
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>>16494935
what happens if one of those just stops spinning, wouldnt everything be fucked?
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>>16494900
They were testing ship FTS and picked a foggy day on purpose
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>>16494940
>what even is conservation of angular momentum?
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>>16494940
Please describe a scenario in which the whole thing "just stops spinning"
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>>16494945
>>16494944

uhhhh idk... i didnt really think the post through. i was like huh if the engines making it spin in space stopped that would be really bad but then remembered it would keep spinning and they wouldnt run unless they needed to accelerate it anyways... haha
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>>16494946
Kindly graduate high school before continuing to post
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>>16494949
im 24 lmao
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>>16494921
flight 7 will be the make or break for heatshield doomerism. If the flaps still have issues with burn through it's over
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>>16494950
My condolences
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>>16494935
Those mountains will not look natural, only an artist can help guide the soulless engineers. Otherwise they will look like this.
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>>16494944
WOT EEF UR BLOOD SUDDENLY TURNS INTO CUM????
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>>16494951
Your skin contains much more melanin than normal people have
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>>16494967
sorry meant for >>16494940
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Nothing is happening
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>>16494967
I'll bleed cum and cum blood.
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>>16494946
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> imagine the task of having to monitor liquid hydrogen as it flows through a few miles of pipeline—which is what NASA had to do in preparation for every Shuttle launch, when hundreds of thousands of gallons were transferred from a holding tank to the launch pad for fueling. In the Apollo days, detecting a flame from one of those leaks was accomplished by using the “broom” method, whereby workers would take a broom and walk around with the head stretched out in front of them. If the head began to burn, there was a leak.
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>>16495004
I hate hydrogen so much its unreal
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>>16494858
Once again
"A marginal reusable SSTO is a great reusable TSTO’s upper stage."
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isn't starship block 3 going to basically be a SSTO?
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AEIOU Yoneda was selected by JAXA for lunar astronaut operations
https://x.com/astroayu/status/1861621562547343844
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>>16495010
old hag
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>>16494807
Is Vulcan-Centaur not operational anymore or something
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>>16495005
yet hydrogen atoms are the commonest atoms in your body. curious....
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>>16495004
the broom method was and still is used for finding steam leaks on ships
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>>16495014
how will this be done on Mars? no wood for brooms
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>>16494751
It's just a typical NASA program, they decide on the vendors and steps and whatnot at the beginning
And never change a fucking thing over the next decade
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>>16495012
Technically not certified for any of its near future payloads
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real question what's the plan for base heating for a moon or mars base? Considering water would be a luxury so steam is kinda out.
Ammonia heat pumps look like a good option considering the wide temperature swings on Mars and ammonia's good properties in a wide variety of extreme conditions.
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>>16495004
>if the broom began to burn
>that means the H2 was already invisibly burning
hydrologgs is just not worth the Isp
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>>16495024
>Considering water would be a luxury so steam is kinda out
nigga what? no one is building a base where water is scarce
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>>16495026
True, but it is worth the heat capacity
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>>16495028
ok get water on the moon wise guy
it's gonna be as close to 100% recycled as possible
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https://x.com/torybruno/status/1861735732798165356

bruno necroposting lol
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>>16495032
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>>16495030
>Get water on the moon
Okay
>Polar Resources Ice Mining Experiment 1 (PRIME-1) is a robotic NASA experiment that is designed to search for water ice on the Moon at a permanently shadowed location near Shackleton Crater, close to the lunar south pole. The 36-kilogram (80 lb) PRIME-1 payload is scheduled for launch on a Falcon 9 in January 2025 as part of the Commercial Lunar Payload Services (CLPS) program on the Nova-C IM-2 mission.
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what even are half of these
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>>16495030
>>16495035
Plus the new Chinese data that regolith is loaded with hydrogen from the solar wind, as well as oxygen in mineral form.
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>>16494691
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>>16495032
>Elon tweeted in 2021
>Kuiper awarded in 2022
>Bragging about it in 2024
Lmao
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>>16495010
cute!
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>>16495032
Some prospective buyer must have brought up this old tweeter thread in the ULA aquisition sale meeting and triggered Tory
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>>16495052
well it mentions the F35 so Tory or someone else could have just searched through Musks posts mentionin F35 and he was reading some quote tweet or something, who knows
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>>16495032
lol the tweet is deleted now
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>>16494854
did you draw this? very cute. I was thinking of trying it myself
>>16494909
no I'm the clearfag and I'm not sbarky(I like xer art though)
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>>16494725
they should call him a poopyhead and be done with it
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>>16494909
sfg is like 3 people anyways, who cares
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SpaceX cheesecake when?
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>>16495058
Jessie looks like a potato there. Why is dvach so obsessed with her?
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>>16495077
>potato for scale
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>>16495058
lmao are they going to have cowboy hats during Flight 7?
shitposting IRL during every test launch from now on
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>>16495081
>clear with a cowboy(cowgirl??) outfit
HNGGGGG
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So get up, get, get, get down
NASA PPO is a joke in yo town
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>>16495087
damn, urf is nasty
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>>16495087
uhh yeah those are aliens and this is a cover story
RELEASE THE GENOME
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>>16495087
very shamefur
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>>16495074
I hate this casual sexism in oldspace stuff.
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>>16495058
Why does Kate Tice look 2 to 3 points sexier on stream than she does off?
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>>16495087
What if Urf life just exists everywhere?
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>>16495087
AYYLMAOS CONFIRMED, MARS COLONIZATION CANCELLED, FELON TO PRISON, etc etc
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>>16495087
Actual paper here: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/maps.14288
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>>16495100
>anon learns about makeup and hairstyling
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>>16494696
Just be a hot girl with millions of dollars! People don't want to hear about Space, they want to hear about your outfit and the food you ate that day.
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>>16495109
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>>16495109
why does the train run under a tunnel?
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>>16495105
>>16495087
Their argument is basically
- terrestrial bacteria form rods and filaments
- the size distribution is consistent with the size distribution of a single species population of bacteria
- they see evidence of growth in the sample
- if the sample had contained the bacteria the whole time, they should have seen more of them and they wouldn't have observed a growth (increasing organism count) and a death phase (decrease in organism count)
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>>16494696
hearing about the (bureaucratic) minutiae of SLS and Artemis is boring
SLS is obsolete, expensive, never flies and should be cancelled
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>>16495109
blizzard launches are kino
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>>16494696
What must be wrong with this guy that he chooses to devote his life to reporting on this piece of garbage?
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>>16495106
but the beaner doesnt look any better with all that makeup.
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>>16495077
>Why is dvach so obsessed with her?
they see a woman there and they go like crazy
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>>16495032
>perhaps you missed the kuiper award?
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>>16495099
No you don't, nobody does you fibber.
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>>16494708
>>16494709
Fyi: good carbon layups have better specific strength than aluminum (and a hell of a lot better than steel), but as a practical matter, it is much harder to have very thin carbon parts. It means that for a lot of applications, if you go with carbon, you end up being way overbuilt while if you had gone with aluminum you are closer to your target strength.

>t. compositesfag
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>>16495032
he's a fucking snake, i tell you hwat
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Completely reset my PC after 8 years, feels good
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>>16495129
>8 years
holy shit anon
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>>16495087
i want that fag who said every trip into and out of an airlock on mars for any reason would require 2+ hours of cleaning to apologise. Contamination is inevitable
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>>16495087
That will literally be 10 billion dollars plus tip. Spacecraft sterilization is one big expensive scam.
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>>16495129
that poor machine
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>>16495130
Endless gb's of shit memes I saved for whatever reason. A lot of applications and shite too, my D drive had 300gb of stuff on it despite uninstalling every game and deleting everything I could think of. C drive was about 300gb/500 but that was mostly system and OS bloat.

It's a little smoother but 1070, I7700k, some MSI board and all I've replaced over the years was RAM, twice. AMD mongs seem to replace their PC's every two years, I love this PC. Spilt cola, cider and piss on it probably 10 times in total, still works a charm. Probably haven't dusted it often enough, maybe 3 or 4 times. It's pretty loud, I think it game me tinnitus but I'm used to it now.
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>>16495135
Midway through summer I got a 10tb drive and a new CPU cooler, so my friend and I took my PC apart to give it a cleaning during their installation. After five minutes of trying to dust it gently we gave up and just brought it outside, a few minutes with the leaf blower and it was clean as brand new.
I don't know why I never did it before, it was so much easier and faster.
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>>16495135
Nice build, I run the same problem with storage, I'm sure that at least 50% of everything in my PC is stuff that I gaslight myself into believing I'll read/post later
>1070 almost a decade old already
oh God
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>>16495140
It is slowly getting caught out by newer and updated games. Probably functionally running medium settings on dayz and similar games. It's been absolutely brilliant. Looking at the equivalent todays card is so expensive, I can't actually afford one, would settle for a xx50 or xx60 whatever they're on now.

Just delete it and don't look back. I was really attached but I don't post much on 4chan these days and most images were just there, having to sift through for the ones I did use. I saved my giga basedjak folder though, that is dear to me.

>>16495139
It's only a few connection points anyway, they're robust. I was goiung to clean mine after spilling stuff but if it is working, I see no point.
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>>16494904
armchair historian thumbnail looking ahhh
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>>16495037
Ceres, Gravity, Hyperbola, Jeilong, Kinetica, and Kuaizhou are all solid fuel sino-minotaurs, but some of them have liquid fuel successors (mostly falcon 9 clones) coming as later iterations. Zhuque (currently ZQ-2) is the only one that's pulled off the transistion. Long March is the brand name Chinese rocket.
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>>16494854
Exquisite work.
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>>16495149
armchair historian asks underage girls for pics of their feet. hes been doing thatfor years. he is notorious for it and somehow its not a controversy.
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>>16495168
source?
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>>16495172
I made it up
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>>16495174
damn :(
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Spaceflight?
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>>16495172
i knew him in highschool. he was a clown then and is a clown now.
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>>16495168
lmao what is with /sfg/ and slandering youtubers baselessly, first Isaac Arthur now this guy
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>>16495187
You're not going to like the rumour about Scott Manly then.... two words; child and rapist.
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>>16495194
>>16495184
>>16495177
>>16495174
>>16495172
>>16495168
>>16495149
fuck you
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>>16495187
Trump won, we can just make up anything now and they slurp it up.
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Anonymous 23 minutes ago No.16495182

Spaceflight?
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>New post notifications for SpaceX
>Falcon/starlink/shit
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>New post from Elon Musk
>10 in the last minute
>politics
>politics
>politics
>emoji
>government
>emoji
>emoji
>government
>government
>emoji
>emoji politics
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impressive that we've made reusable first stage flight to leo as routine as a commute to work
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>>16495220
all I can think about is how much sooner this level of reliable LEO cadence could've been established given the amount of time we've been doing spaceflight to LEO so its less impressive a bit
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>new post from Anonymous on /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
>chinkshit rocket
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>>16495100
1. you're reacting to her vibrant and youthful energy which beams from every movement and glance. 2. Angles matter.
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>>16495113
to be fair that does makes sense
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>>16495100
the real Kate Tice is dead
you're seeing her hologram
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>>16495139
people say to not use air compressors or vacuum cleaners but i do it regularly and everything is......
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>>16495219
you forgot xAI starting a games studio
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>>16495219
He's audience captured. He's put his eggs in the trump basket, which gets him the fervor and support of MAGA. But if he ever slows, or goes against them, it will all evaporate. He's walking a very thin line.
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>>16495227
haven't you heard anon? All scientists are lying frauds. You can only trust your fellow anon from www.4channel.org
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>>16495191
His daughter rapes people?
How sad when a father loses control of their child
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>new post from Anonymous on /sfg/ - Spaceflight General
>tranime reaction picture
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>>16495238
>complaining about anime while posting AI
Kek
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>2024
>still calling it tranime (post 2016 election tourist buzzword)
/qa/ lost, sharty lost, go back
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>>16495245
>>16495244
>>16495238
>>16495237
fuck you
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>calling a classic Baroque era masterpiece painting AI
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>>16495244
I laughed.

But there's really not much to talk about. Elon is clearly checked out until IFT 7, more interested in vidya and twitter shitposts. Not much else to discuss.
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>>16495248
>Elon is clearly checked out until IFT 7, more interested in vidya and twitter shitposts
he just like me fr fr
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>>16495246
t. Scott Manly
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>>16494802
Makes me wonder how fashion will develop on a future Mars colony. Early on of course it will probably be utilitarian jumpsuits and the like, but eventually people will want more formal stuff for other occasions. Also need to figure out what kinds of cloth/fabric will be possible to make on Mars - will make make sense to have cotton plants in the green houses, or will everything be synthetics? How long before someone manages to ship some sheep to sheer for their wool? (Also gets you mutton and milk too, which is nice).
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>Clear is able to do collabs with Mitsubishi now
wtf
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>>16494802
>Their whole dress and fashion is European in origin, even their political leadership dress themselves in the way of white people.
lmao
You will never be British, Pierre/Hans/Ivan/Tayden.
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>>16495256
>Cotton
Not cotton, that's too water intensive it'll probably be something like hemp or linen if natural fabrics are grown.
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Elon Musk
@elonmusk
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6m
And next year, Falcon is aiming for >150 flights!
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>>16495233
i have heard this akshually. the flat earthers are the most reliable.
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>>16495277
aim close miss close
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>>16495227
It makes sense, but making sense is the lowest possible standard you could have for proof.

1. The argument makes sense. In other words, it's not incoherent nonsense.
2. The argument's position is consistent with the evidence.
3. The argument demonstrates that alternative explanations are unlikely.
4. The argument demonstrates that alternative explanations are impossible.

This paper manages 1 and 2 easily and attempts 3, but it's not convincing or exhaustive.
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>>16495280
right right, this so called modern ""Scientist"" changes his or her opinions like underwear - every few months. And we're supposed to beleive them??? menawhile us flat earth chads will forever believe in the one true truth!
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>>16495087
The sheer will and determination of earth life to exist wherever it can…
Impressive, really.
Are we any different? We (humans) are trying to colonize the moon and mars—natural habitats that clearly aren’t suited for us yet we are determined anyways lol
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>>16495295
>but it's not convincing
so in other words, what you're saying is... it doesn't make sense... Ironic.
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>[Comparison Video] 2nd Stage Motor for Epsilon S Rocket (E-21) Combustion test 2024.11.26 VS 2023.07.14
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>>16495297
>We (humans)
And how many of ((us)) are there left by now? Must be no more than a few million on this gay planet
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>>16495298
No, it makes sense. It's unconvincing because it seems to make a lot of assumptions, which makes it a weak argument.
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>>16494691
Why can't the spaceships be golden? Plain white is boring, and they're spending a lot money in them anyways.
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>>16495296
how could i have ever doubted them!?!
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>>16495308
White actually serves a purpose
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>>16494930
I feel the pain, let me guess.
You are an adult who "knows whats up" through real academic and work experience in science/engineering/technology, and feel like this place is infested with teenagers?
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>>16495319
Thermal control.
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>>16495312
Which is? (Wrong answers only)
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>>16495321
Oh. That's a shame.
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https://x.com/Arianespace/status/1861730974481977724
>FLIGHT VV25: LAUNCH POSTPONEMENT
>Due to the need to conduct further precautionary checks and activities on launcher preparation and finalization, the VV25 launch, originally scheduled for December 3, 2024, from Europe’s Spaceport, in Kourou, French Guiana, is postponed. The impact of these add checks is today estimated in the range of one day. The new launch date will be confirmed by Friday November 29. The launcher and its passenger, the Copernicus Sentinel-1C satellite, are in stable and safe conditions.

Oh no
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>>16495326
BERGER'S
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>>16495322
rocket makers are racist
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>>16495322
they are conducting a test on how dirty the air and space are. its kind of like when you put on a white cotton glove to test for dust after your servants claim to have cleaned the mantle piece etc.
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>>16495329
https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/4736
It could be worse. This classified thing was supposed to launch sometime in late 2021
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>>16495322
they don't bother painting the rocket because they know it will just blow up once it hits the roof, where do you think stars come from?? thats right they're just holes into heaven
god won't be happy. it will end up just like tower of babel!
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>>16495187
If Isaac Arthur didn't want to be slandered he shouldn't have eaten poop in the first place
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>>16495353
poop proof?
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>>16495355
it came to me in a dream
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>>16495360
this guy dreams about fat men with speech impediments eating poop
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>>16495362
Very sad
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>>16495313
ship or booster?
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>>16495362
it is what it is
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>>16495365
ship https://x.com/interstellargw/status/1861832392882663568
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPBSzyuX_Ak
>Flight 7 Updates, Ship 26 Scrapped! Starbase Flyover Update
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>>16495256
A major thing that they want to produce locally very early on is space suits. Normal clothes might be some chunk of the spacesuit assembly line, with formal wear literally being spacesuit derived instead of military uniform derived
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>>16495320
No I just don't have schizophrenia
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>>16494809
Yes we know you like to take it slow mr bezos, no need to remind us.
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>>16495224
>chinkshit rocket render
ftfy
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>>16495414
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>>16495399
>alumimeme
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>>16495415
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>>16495418
It's fun to stay at the YYYY
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>>16495416
Nothing wrong with aluminum.
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>>16495415
sorry space fags generally, but thats been debunked. clearly a fake.
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How hard would it be to build a Sea Dragon? or even just a half scale version (~200t to LEO) isn't being dirt cheap & easy the whole point of the concept?
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>>16494906
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>>16495415
can these guys stop copying space x
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>>16494919
we need to start with the Stanford Torus in LEO
the O'Neill Cylinders can wait until we have mass drivers on the moon
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>>16495433
>Stanford Torus in LEO
it'd reenter too quickly and it's too heavy even for mature starship. they're for HEOs
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>>16495418
>So many women
Yeah I bet that launch mount is going to end up looking worse than the one from flight one.
Rocket lab is so fucked lmao
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>>16495299
Impressive that they keep blowing up like that considering it's the same shit they use on H-3.
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>>16495414
toy rocket, toy launch pad
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>>16495244
I'm pretty sure that image predates AI
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>>16495439
regular concrete could probably withstand their toy rocket
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>>16495445
back to pol
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>>16495450
source?
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>spaceflight general
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>>16495450
To keep it space related, he should either buy the Kerbal Space Program IP, or direct his new game company to make a similar game. Would be a good way to get younger people interested in Space Flight, and the iterative development process you do in those sorts of games would be great for getting budding engineers in the right mindset before joining SpaceX.
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Kerbal troonflight program 2 is a cucked game play the original
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There is an oddity that I have been wondering about for a while now.

Pic is an example of intelsat, but it is something I have seen in several satellites now in LEO or GEO. Why does the eccentricity cycles? I would understand if orbits circularize due to drag, or orbital perturbations would make these graphs wonky, but no, they almost consistently show a cycle in which a satellite circularizes and then elliptices(would that be the correct word?) and I can't wrap my head around the how is that possible with such symmetry, and so constantly.
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>>16495455
>competing with games that have decades of development history

starting a new game company now without a gimmick is idiotic
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>>16495462
>anon cannot comprehend Hall-effect thrusters on what is likely a SSL 1300 bus
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>>16495462
nobody cares incel.
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>>16495450
>>16495470
oh boy, I hope he makes a real spaceflight simulator in 4K 60fps, I hate those kerbal things with a passion. And yes, I have seen Juno: New Origins, formerly known as SimpleRockets2. However, it still lacks several things, and it feels more like an amateur project.
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>>16495473

If these were stationkeeping maneuvers, wouldn't they align perfectly with a straight altitude line? Also I have seen these on hypergolic engines too, like the ones from the Russian Yantar bus.
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>>16495438
>it's too heavy
build it one piece at a time
put it in a slightly higher orbit
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>>16495462
it varied by such a small amount over quite a long time
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>>16495299
これは試験のために
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>>16495465
You are retarded
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>>16495470
>too many game studios are own by massive corporations
>uses massive corporation to make another game studio
>using AI
I have little hopes for what ever games they produce
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>>16495488
Yes, but... why? It could also vary randomly due to perturbations, but no, it is a cycle, and I thought it was stationkeeping but then inactive decaying objects also do that cycle.

It's just very weird.
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>>16495489
RIP
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>>16495455
>They just straight copy what ever flight algorithms are used by SpaceX into the game
>every other company and nation still to dumb to use it for their rockets
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>>16495495
Flyby Anomaly
Do not investigate further
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>>16495414
sir, this is the spacex fan general
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>>16495495
moon have anything to do with it?
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>>16495506
its smart that they are using the same module format, but do they really need to jump straight into a large station?
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>>16495516
you think 1 module a year is something outrageous ?
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>>16495519
why does it take 7 years to get those things up there? why not one every 2 weeks for example? why does almost everyone think in such sloooooowww moootiion?
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>>16495522
you don't hate oldspace enough
you may think you do, but you Don't.
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>>16495522
these agencies like to play things out for 20+ years in the future to guarrentee lucrative careers
after that they are retired and who cares
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>>16495526
>>16495528
yeah ok, it's not just me then. oh well, so long as they get something done its better than nothing i suppose.
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>>16495530
it was pretty classy really. i wouldn't have minded being forced to keep away from all those icky humans either.
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>>16495024
electric resistive
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>>16495530
Futura font chads rise up
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>>16495087
PAN FUCKING SPERMIA CONFIRMED
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>>16495538
I'm just a simple Noto Sans man.
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>>16495024
lots of pushups and burpies. will also help with the effects of lower gravity
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>>16495539
You did trust the plan, didn't you?
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>>16495542
I hate cardio
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>>16495537
baseboard heaters?
what is this the 70s?
are you forgetting the temps can swing from well below zero to almost 100 degrees?
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>>16495548
baseboard heaters and fiber insulation
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>>16495297
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>>16495546
space might not be for you im afraid. cardio is officially part of having the right stuff.
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i hate prebreathing.
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>>16495548
You can have heating strips in the central air system. I have baseboard heaters and it's completely fine, it's the most common heating method where electricity is cheap and heat pumps aren't fully reliable because it gets too cold.
The moon is similar
>are you forgetting the temps can swing from well below zero to almost 100 degrees?
No, that's exactly why you can't use heat pumps (that and the vacuum). Heat strips have no restrictions you can just stack them if you need more heat. Electricity will be infinitely cheaper than gas since you don't have to import it. I don't really see another way
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>>16495564
if they use nuclear power its going to be a non-brainer
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>>16495559
I'm just gonna upload my mind into a buff tesla optimus,
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>>16495570
good luck with the expanded and rigorous psychological testing regime anon
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>>16495564
I was just reading about how the ISS does it and they use ammonia heat exchanger loops
so I'm sure they'll have presence especially on the moon
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>>16495562
What about rebreathing?
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>>16495564
we can use heat pumps, we just need to pump the heat into underground boreholes, which causes a phase change in the underground ice and then we slurp up the delicious delicious water and slowly collapse our foundations
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>>16495572
why would you need that
just circulate the air
the moon is the heat sink
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oh, are we on Luna right now
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>>16495570
I want to be an Adrian Barbeaubot.
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>>16495544
He has Marxist phenotype
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>>16495581
cool it with the antisemitism
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>>16495024
Solar heat thermal mass storage using random shit like gravel. No need for heat pumps when you have an entire goddamn sun shining right at you in a vacuum. Heat it up during the day using surface heat exchangers and a simple coolant loop, warm yourself with it during the night. You don't even need much becauae you're in a vacuum and regolith is a great insulator too. There's basically no temperature swings below half a meter depth either.
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>>16495572
here's the paper if anyone wants to read it
https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/473486main_iss_atcs_overview.pdf
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we need agnostic first and second stages. that way if your first stage gets grounded by the faa then you can still launch on someone else's first stage.
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>>16495587
NOBODY WANTS TO READ YOU STUID BLOG, INCEL
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>>16495592
they will call you an incel, but never why
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>>16495592
you eat paint chips as a kid?
that's NASA approved oldspace tech chud
better take off your hat and show respect
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>>16495581
He was a good Yorkshire lad, not a trace of 4 by 2 in him
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so i guess we gotta go to spacexmasterrace for discussion on reddit now? threads get removed if trump is involved in any way.
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>>16495613
Musk should buy reddit
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>>16495613
time for spacexloungelounge
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>>16495613
average /sfg/ regular
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>>16495613
I haven't been on reddit since 2014
what's your malfunction?
what could even draw you there
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>>16495590
Need a universal stage diameter and docking mechanism for that to start. Starship wont do it because the diameter is at least 3x too small. Maybe in 20 years when galaxyship exists it will make 64m the universal stage diameter. whoever wants to send a surface base directly to pluto will make a custom stage to go on top.
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do youtubers avoid trump in their spaceflight videos? i bet its a trigger word for some of them.
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>>16494904
Based
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>Falcon's 375th overall landing
lmao
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>>16495628
soon
New Glenn first landing
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>>16495629
Dude, get some shit into orbit first before you start having delusions of grandeur.
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>>16495562
postbreathing EVA suits
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>>16495628
>SpaceX: 375
>Rest of the entire world combined: 0
lol
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>>16495640
no client could ever make use of so many launches
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>>16495643
>useless party trick
the funny part is that there are actual retards that say this without an ounce of irony lol
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>>16495613
I dunno m8 have you tried not being a fucking redditor?
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>>16495652
when f9 booster first landed the takeaway from normies was exactly that. it was seen as a disgusting waste of money to show off by those few who even knew about it
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>>16495656
I'm glad that they'll always be observers to history and have little to no effect on anything in spaceflight
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>>16495656
That reminds me of
>Schrödinger's SpaceX: SpaceX is a fraud and NASA did it all decades ago already, but all the hard work was done by the engineers, and they are the ones who should be credited. Did I forget to say that SpaceX is still a scam? Yeah, also, the engineers did all the work, not Musk.
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>>16495613
>leldit
you get what you fucking deserve
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>>16495613
>discussion on reddit
Literally why are you even trying? Why punish yourself by going to that god forsaken website?
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>>16495616
That is too toxic to fix, even for Elon.
But definitely he should get MSNBC for the lulz.
>Must Sell Now Before Christmas
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>>16495683
>That is too toxic to fix, even for Elon.
Simply shutting it down would be worthwhile.
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>>16495613
>spacexmasterrace
unironically a decent subreddit, one of the few remaining places along with sfg that doesn't suffer from EDS
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>>16495684
And risk ANOTHER great migration? have you forgotten about tumblr?
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>>16495686
they're already here
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>>16495686
If they can be convinced to join блycкий, maybe that might work.
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>>16495692
oh yeah, I forgot about that place for a second lol
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>>16495683
That's exactly what people said about Twitter, but it's turned around nicely. Reddit's problems are wide-spread but they're far from unfixable
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>>16495688
we still have the discord. the moderation team is quite good at detecting redditors
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fags
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>>16495705
Can I have an invite link? My name is Rupert#4952
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>>16495710
sent :^)
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what do you guys talk about anyways in the discord
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>>16495426
I haven't followed in a while. Is that real? Very likely not, judging by the condition, but just maybe I missed something cool.
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>>16495613
>leddit
Commies run the site and they hate Musk
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>>16495739
>concept render
https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1861832848958771535
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>>16495739
that's a rendering for what they plan to do in the future
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>>16495740
according to /g/, reddit loves musk
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>>16495744
Its called gaslighting trannies. Nothing that comes out of communists mouth can be trusted to be true except that its true lies. Often opposite is true.
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>>16495744
Reddit used to love Elon, now they hate him.
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>>16495728
gay anal sex tips
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>>16495755
nah we save that for the IRC
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according to /g/, reddit loves cock
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>>16495755
ass-to-ass is the kino refuelling procedure, I don't care what others say
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>>16495728
The joke is that it doesnt exist. Think cubic kilometer. Or Clears supposed womanhood
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>>16495761
>those leg compartments
i want all starships to have legs at all times. I dontgive a fuck about the saved mass. fine, land it with the catch points onthe twoer, but still have legs!
my non aestetics justificationis that having legs gives you emergency deorbit capability over anywhere where there is land. andif the DODever want to do point to point with starship then it needs legs.
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>>16495766
how heavy would starship legs would be anyways? as a comparison, falcon 9 legs supposedly weigh around 2 tons in total.
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>>16495766
>>16495769
the 2 issues are design and rapid reusability if I'm not mistaken, it's just more convenient to catch with the tower.
for now at least, since they'll need legs to land on Mars
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>>16495769
HLS legs will probably be so much heavier than F9 legs, by a long shot
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porn
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someone finally did it
long range rc cars, boats and planes will soon be more viable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmj0qeOVcsk
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>>16495773
hls only has to land under lunar gravity so why would the legs be heavier?
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>>16495771
when we get legs I hope they go for something more unorthodox like picrel
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>>16495784
having the forward kegs stowed on the back like that is clever
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>>16495544
Trust the plan? I. AM. THE PLAN.
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>>16495784
That feels pretty risky when launching.
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>>16495787
I've been enamoured by this design ever since I first saw it, I can almost see the legs unfolding mid fall like a switchblade
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>>16495784
I swear I've seen here some Starship render with insect-like legs, can't find it right now
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>>16495789
not really, the legs aren't protruding that much, and the forward legs would probably be thinner IRL
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Your days are numbered, Old Space fags.
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>>16495794
Even if the starship doesn't need all the engines to lift from mars, the two large ones are pretty close to the three inner raptors. I wouldn't want to rely on them for repeated landings.
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>>16495797
just space them out a little more
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>>16495795
No anon, Elon won't bid to cancel SLS
(but they could be forced to get new contractors)
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>>16495781
approximate mass of HLS at landing is 300 ton, which weighs only 50 ton on the moon, but still has momentum of 300 ton, therefore stronger legs will be needed for non-perfect final burns. Falcon 9 dry mass is around 22 ton.
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>>16495790
the 6 legs is good too for the redundancy. it would be very risky having a 4 leg design and expecting every leg to deploy perfectly after a 6 month coast
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>>16495806
>mass of HLS at landing is 300 ton, which weighs only 50 ton on the moon, but still has momentum of 300 ton
am i the only one that has trouble really getting mass/gravity differences?
it feels really weird to even think about
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>>16495806
300? Wow that's heavy.
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Clear
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>>16495815
small and cute!
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>>16495791
this one?
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>>16495815
>clear made it
/sfg/ didnt
are we even trying? we're the euros of the spaceflight community, arent we?
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>>16495815
kek, clear haters seething
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>>16495815
what satellite is that
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>>16495613
NOOOOO NOT MY HECKING TRUMPERINOS!!! NOT THE GAD-ANGLE GOOD BOY TRUMPEROONIES!!!
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>>16495824
>new video with elon dropping new info
>jannies: thats insaaaaaaaane
>jannie turns on video
>sees trump
>face turns bright red in rage
>immediately locks thread and bans the OP
hmmmmmmmm
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>>16495822
Quasi-Zenith Satellite System
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>>16495825
>Dropping new info
>The 500th explanation of the belly flop for normalfags
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>>16495806
>still has momentum of 300 ton
wtf are you talking about lol, it isn't going to do a hoverslam
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>>16495728
there were two different discords, nobody posted in them and each was deleted within the month
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>>16495838
Damn, you fucking dumb, bro.
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please report this POS waste trash to DOGE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_cgTVTwu4nw
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>>16495842
he meant inertial mass
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>>16495871
Nice anon thanks for sharing
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>>16495871
>ai generated fireplace
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>>16495871
>official government aislop
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>>16495871
Why a horribly failing, incredibly behind schedule, and amazingly overpriced Boeing rocket and not Starship?
Serious question for NASA. Why would they ruin Christmas like this?
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>>16495779
ooh cool
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>>16495613
Link to video? I can't seem to find that
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>>16495890
Solids sound more aesthetic them liquid engines. And that's a fact
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>>16495613
I get all my information from Reddit, so this is dishartening
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>>16495896
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytrtFsXRXGY
Skip to 4:20 unless you want to hear bimbos talk about their outfits and the food they ate today. It's tolerable on mute, if you're into the fetal alcohol syndrome kind of look.
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>>16495897
we still have better quality higher framerate views of one SLS launch than we have for six Starship launches. fucking crazy
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>>16495902
Can't FIFO elon sadly.
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>>16495902
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHY6imbUBo ?
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>>16495900
I was promised new information. Curse you anon for making me listen to femoids blab about their day >>16495825 for two seconds of elon repeating stuff I already know.
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>>16495900
Sort comments by new for a laugh
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>>16495904
>no tower views
>no drone views
>no buoy views
All we got are third party trackers and highly compressed X piss streams
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>>16495900
I already saw that. The part with Musk and Trump was cut very short. I wanted to see more of their reactions
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>>16495912
Yeah, that's all there is. It's just MAGA retards shilling for trump's granddaughter's youtube channel.
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>>16495779
Project bob should be up your alley
https://www.projectbob.xyz/
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>>16495907
There was several pieces of new info, you probably should watch it again without fixating on the zoomer jailbait.
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>>16495920
>There's several pieces of new info
>Posts none
>Give the video another view please!
No. Shill your travel blog somewhere else.
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>>16495920
>without fixating on the zoomer jailbait.
cannot be done
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>>16495927
why dont the chinese ever have music on their station?
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space force classified info is getting leaked
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>>16495935
do you have a link to these guides? milguides tend to be full of good shit
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>>16495937
i dont. everyone is being skittish about linking to the leaker.
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>>16495935
Another 15 years coming up.
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>>16495947
can you just download any of the particularly interesting pdfs and then post them
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>>16495948
i dont have telegram
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>>16495935
Death penalty for top secret leakers
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>>16495952
Everything about Mossad should be leaked
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Flight 9 equipment starting to show up btw. Assuming Flight 7 goes well, meaning Flight 8 is orbital and ship catch, what does Flight 9 entail? Real payloads? It wouldnt be ship reuse clearly.
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>>16495920
Kai isn't a zoomer, she's too young. She's alpha
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>>16495947
>>16495948
>>16495937
ohononononoo you guys are going to federal prison
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>>16495958
Alphas are literally iPad kids, max 13 years old. You are retarded. Early zoomers are 25 tops. Im mid zoomer and still border closer to millenials in culture than the rest of the late zoomers
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>>16495958
>Kai isn't a zoomer, she's too young. She's alpha
hnnnnngggg plap plap plap
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>>16494897
ultra high molecular weight polymers

Already in the top tier of rad shielding behind aluminum and ahead of water IIRC
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>>16495054
Elon is one of the few men in the world who has the right to throw shade at the F-35, but he hasn’t done it the correct way yet.

Spoilers: a perfected ISR constellation would make tracking aircraft easy and negate the main benefits of stealth planes.
SpaceX is obviously in a prime position for handling this scenario.
However Elon, dense as ever, seems to be ranting about how the “government is dumb and corrupt and full of ULA snipers and I should be in charge of spending!”
What he should be doing instead is beating Lockheed at their own MIC scare-monger game and explain to the public and Congress that in a hot war scenario with China it’s not unlikely their fancy B2’s and F-35s could be tracked by future Chinese ISR sats.
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>>16495978
>Elon, dense as ever
Imagine what he would have become if he had your brains.
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>>16495960
Ok zoomer
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>>16495980
Elon is either holding back or not even trying.
He’s thrown shade at the F-35 but with earther-tier concern trolling factoids.
He should go big picture and outright say space is the next evolution of warfare and that planefags will be jobbers by the end of the century.
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>>16495978
lol what do you think starshield does?
it does a lot more than they say
not to mention the air force footed a lot of the early starlink bill
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>>16495988
How would that serve his interest
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>>16495988
Stupid cat
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>>16495958
nah she's a zoomer
alpha isn't till 2010
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>>16495988
perhaps he can't say that outright or thinks there is going to be some kind of backlash that hurts the starship programme short term
you know the air force has already contracted them for earth-to-earth delivery, I wouldn't be surprised if there is a bunch of other shit too at least in the concept phase
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>>16495988
why is this cat Skyrim
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I was rereading the "surface to orbit" page of Atomic Rockets and noticed that the infrastructure, heat management, and power delivery/conversion costs of the non chemical launch options get completely retarded long before you get to 200 ton payload vehicles, let alone multiple of them a day, except for boomboom Orion, which has... other problems. Starship being so fucking big and able to use its own cryogenic propellant for cooling and chopsticks for RTLS/restack beats every proposed alternative that doesn't rely on fringe physics. Focusing on reducing expended dry mass instead of reducing wet mass was SpaceX's first great contribution that almost nobody else has internalized.
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>>16495957
probably just more practice on ship catch, maybe flying propellant transfer hardware in preparation for the demo in summer.
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>>16496029
Prop transfer hardware would be so fucking cool. Man I really want this bird to be done already so we can see the cool as fuck ship sex fluid transfer
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>>16496013
Not using an aerospike is spacexes biggest mistake.
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I’m thankful for American superiority in aerospace, the NASA worm, the apollo Lunar Module, and space exploration technologies corp
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>>16494897
Zinc
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>>16496087
looks kind of disgusting ngl
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>>16496095
literal slop
When mass autism gone, we will we get actual food in space
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>>16494713
I can't believe it actually happened lmao
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>>16496033
imagine the rocketgirl sex
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>>16496080
Needlessly expensive for the intended architecture. I hope Stoke succeeds with their shieldspike.
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>>16496080
>aeromemes
kek
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>>16496097
Is Starship going to just going to orbit moon and they will use the elevator to get down? Would save some delta-v I guess.
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https://x.com/Tesla_Optimus/status/1862116407594377698

new hand
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>>16496121
Is this one also controlled by a jeet?
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>>16495037
Long March = names of CASC's liquid propellant rockets
Jielong = names of CASC's solid propellant rockets, except Jielong-2 which was renamed Long March 11 for some reason
Ceres = names of Galactic Energy's solid propellant rockets
Gravity = names of Orienspace's rockets
Hyperbola = names of iSpace's rockets
Kinetica = names of CAS Space's rockets
Kuaizhou = names of CASIC's rockets
Zhuque = names of Landspace's rockets
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>>16496121
How much compute Optimus needs? If you don't need a huge datacenter and can run them just from Mars they seems to be better than rovers for exploration, just send a bunch of them with human tools and instruments and a vehicle to drive around, seems to be less expensive and more flexible than trying to make sure a rover is 100% fail safe. One Optimus malfunction? let's just use another mass produced optimus to use the tools and instruments to complete the mission. Also you can gain some experience on what humans could do on mars before SpaceX sends real humans to the Mars and makes a more realistic mission design.
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>>16494791
>they can't seem to compete on cost or cadence
What's that supposed to mean? CASC is fully transitioning to cryogenic propellants because they're cheaper to handle than hypergolic propellants. The reason for the low cadence so far is because CASC fucked up the transition process for some reason we don't know, so it was a lot slower than it should've been. However, long delays are hardly unprecedented in aerospace. It might've been that CASC has been bleeding labor and expertise to all the new space start-ups over the last 5-10 years, causing turnover of certain key personnel and internal organizational disruptions

>Now they've got dozen new rockets in development all competing for the same spot in the launch market.
That's probably not much more than their market will be able to accommodate, because they have an immense demand for launches.

> they're spinning their wheels
I don't get that impression at all when I see their rapidly changing market structure and the great range of products their companies have in the pipeline. Keep in mind that the lead time for a new large rocket with new engines developed from scratch is usually 7-10 years or more, and that CASC's kerolox rocket lineup would have been considered state of the art only 10 years ago
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>>16496121
>>16496137
>>16496122
each degree of freedom you add to a robot joint adds an exponent to the price. guaranteed this hand costs about 100k. there is a reason theystarted off simple. Complex is expensive as hell and drains the battery even quicker. Humanoid robots being useful for anything, let alone exploring worlds, is a pipe dream until battery tech gets at least 10x better and price of manufacture comes down at least 10x. not happening soon. AI also needs to 10x in competency but thatmay happen this decade so there is 1 point in favor of robots.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyappa_arm
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>>16496144
>>16496147
Compare this simple R/C arm vs CanadArm
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shut the fuck up
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>>16495506
Can we sell them the ISS?
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>>16496169
Happy Thanksgiving!
Elon is making everyone work 12 hours today. We have to get to Mars.
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Turkey tueseay
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>>16495522
The modules are of increasing technical dificulty. They would never start launching if they tried to make a long duration sapce station in one go, but making a pressure vessel with some consumable oxygen is doable in 4 years.
>>16495516
A big station is easier than a small station in terms of life support.
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>>16494788
They probably hope to receive orders from foreign customers as well, and so design their marketing slogans with that audience in mind
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>>16494848
Most people around the world don't care much about some slavic slog-out in some eastern European backwater
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>>16494828
So the USSF assessment that CZ-5 is highly economical was probably correct? It's apparently economical enough to perform the most mundane type of LEO trucking
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>>16495516
They are going from a small station to a large station, by gradually turning the small station into a large station.
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>>16495522
Someone needs to build those things, and those people are usually the same people. It's more economical to have a small production capacity that builds 1 item per year for 10 years, than it is to establish a massive production capacity that builds 10 items in 1 year and then shut it all down for 9 years until you need it again. It's not like they're in an extreme hurry anyway.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP
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happy tirkey frieay
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CR-9BR?
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>>16496197
>more paper rockets from china
we sleep
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>>16495815
What is clear holding? A paper doll?
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>>16495819
no not this one you fucking idiot.
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The contract for the CZ-10 mobile launch tower has been signed
https://weibo.com/6861836076/P2mshw0qQ
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Why didn't you retards tell me to invest in Rocket Lab?
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>>16495808
you could even use the inertia of the flip maneuver to reliably extend them, a perfect design
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>>16496171
Why would they pay? Couldn't the Russians just disconnect the Russian segment, if the Russian segment wasn't so old and worn down anyway that there is no point to do it
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>>16496201
Hey! no need to be an ass about it
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I rap3
>>16496201
cats ni**a
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>>16496205
common sense skeptic did but youwere too much of an idiot to listen to him.
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>>16495909
The actual text is
晓梦随疏钟,飘然蹑云霞。
因缘安期生,邂逅萼绿华。
秋风正无赖,吹尽玉井花。
共看藕如船,同食枣如瓜。
翩翩坐上客,意妙语亦佳。
嘲辞斗诡辩,活火分新茶。
虽非助帝功,其乐莫可涯。
人生能如此,何必归故家。
起来敛衣坐,掩耳厌喧哗。
心知不可见,念念犹咨嗟。

It’s a shitty translation (adds elements not in the original, makes no attempt to preserve the meter, leaves some words untranslated, etc.) but translating Chinese poetry to English is a fool's errand anyway.
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>>16495978
He doesn't want to give the government weapons
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>>16495935
Well I am checking the channel and I can't see a fucking thing.
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who else here watches ghetto gaggers?
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>>16496241
i watch it during falcon launches to pass the time
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Homer hickem. literally cant think of a dumber name. dude must be dumb as dirt
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>>16495909
The guy is writing poetry to a foreign princess. I can't laugh
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so is the next launch woody or was it some weird ritual they were performing?
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>>16496250
penile rupture
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>>16496265
according to a NSF vid it was from some random birthday party or something
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>not all spacex and blorigin
>fucking asteroid and lunar mining memes
>blorigin is somehow on par with spacex
>no mention of commercial space stations
atleast they recognize stokes work i guess.. god these people are fucking retarded
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>>16496281
>commercial space stations
lmoa
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>>16496284
if they wanted to highlight non spacex progress thats where you would go since you want hardware results instead of powerpoint rockets or muh h3. or to the obvious satellite manufacturers but those are boring i guess.
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>>16496281
Why is BO always mentioned in the same breath? Is it a self perpetuating meme among journalists who just repeat shit? Is Bezos paying for the recognition (like in the air and space museum)? Is it to pretend SpaceX isn't special? I don't understand
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>>16496284
hmofa
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>>16496281
stoke? the bill gates funded company?
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>>16496281
It's from Bloom(((berg))) and TV.
Anyone more than 4 years old knows those are both entities that cannot be trusted. They are designed to suck money from (You), and always have been. They love to promote pump-and-dumps, why do you think they play this game?
But, Stoke is based.
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>>16496286
either BO is paying for the promotion or journalists are desperate to try and prop up BO as a champion trying to defeat the (((evil))) elon. or both.
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>>16496197
They're still finalizing the design. It's interesting that they're still talking about using hydrogen. It's like the LM-9 designers are stuck in a halfway state between Starship and New Glenn
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>>16496281
Why do they always forget to mention?
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>>16496207
In rupees lmao

Who cares just an excuse to get ride of the thing.
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>>16496281
there's all kinds of hardware stuff they could cover, and not just vast and axiom, but rocketlab, intuitive machines, oneweb, even stuff like leolabs. strange that a business rag is focused on concepts instead of actual businesses.
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>>16496291
I suspect they want both. The slide directly says thirty 200 tons methalox, so I guess a hydrolox second stage refuelable on the Moon.
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>>16496292
they did mention it for until a few years ago
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>>16496297
It's called the battle of the billionaires
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>>16496292
>Virgin galactic
Did any of the breakup footage ever leak or are we stuck with what the NTSB published
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happy humpday
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>>16496201
hey, you are not me, I was the original anon.
>>16495819
That image is not the one I was looking for. The Starship I'm talking about had some pretty unrealistic legs, and they look like those from a cockroach. Also, they extended outwards, while gradually tapering off.
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>>16496295
they focused on the general concept of mining in space why cant i just throw out a significant concept as well? and btw intuitive machines payload fucking tipped, oneweb is an outdated meme constellation when starlink exists, and rocketlab shouldve been next to spacex instead of blorigin so youve got multiple category errors there for ‘up and coming hardware’
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>>16496301
i feel like it could be FOIA'd
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>>16496303
Fuck yourself. first I have to deal with the doctor giving me bad news about my dose and now you impersonating me. Professional gaslighter BEGONE.
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How many months is Musk going to be checked out?
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>>16496307
Don't wanna get off-topic here, we can sort this out in the discord.
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>>16496286
who do you think *owns* the press? Hello!
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>>16496303
>like those from a cockroach
closest one that I can think of
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>>16496314
He was unironically talking about journalists in that tweet.
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>>16496291
What about the design is new?

They want three versions: a two stage version with a reusable first stage, a three stage version with a reusable first stage and a hydrolox upper stage, and a two stage fully reusable version. This has been the same since 2023, or...?

It makes sense to have a conservative option, because the Starship concept is still unproven, especially the economics of it.
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>>16496304
>intuitive machines payload fucking tipped
so what? starship blew up multiple times. and just like spacex, intuitive machines has more on the way. and yeah, oneweb is outdated, but it hasnt really been available as a service yet either, so its hard to say if its a flop for sure or not.
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>>16496287
chat is this real
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>>16496311
diablo is very casual friendly, whereas path of exile is for hardcore players. its entirely possible that elon thinks that the game isnt for him, drops it, and goes back to his businesses. or he could become an addict.
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>>16496316
wasn’t it “powerful people”? That makes the most sense in the context of the full exchange of do “powerful people” want free press.
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>>16496315
Yes! That's the one, thanks anon. Quite a surreal design lol
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>>16496317
Its got a new name? I don't know if the last time we saw LM-9 slides it had a 10.6m or a 10m diameter. This could just be the same design we saw last time with some incremental finalizations and a new label. LM-10 did this exact same dance before it got official approval.

They're probably just showing it off to try and get some more support for the project from the central government. It's not a bad time for it with Starship making a lot of headlines.
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>>16496323
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1000560049389907969
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>>16496329
>2018
I remember it like it was yesterday... And apparently it's 6 years ago?
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I'm still asshurt that F9 isn't fully reusable.
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I went to the national space museum today
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>>16496336
Ah, an angloid. I used to live on the street directly opposite that museum. Sad sad state that our country has to put american ballistic missiles in our national space center.
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>>16496333
Think about how crappy and expensive to operate F9 is going to be by the standards of 20 years from now.
The future is looking bright.
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>>16496339
Cheer up, lad, things could be much worse. Also, if all goes well, you could have your own SpaceX vs BO within the UK in just a couple of years lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyrora
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>>16496344
>Orbex
The company was founded in 2015 as Moonspike Ltd., with the goal of crowdfunding a private spacecraft mission to the Moon.
>Skyrora
>The Skyrora CEO and founder is Volodymyr Levykin, previously the COO of an AIM-listed online dating company Cupid plc.
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fags
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>>16496354
>The maiden flight of Prime is expected to occur in 2025, subject to the availability of Space Hub Sutherland and a Civil Aviation Authority launch licence.
>The Skyrora XL is a three-stage orbital launch vehicle under development with nine hydrogen peroxide–kerosene engines of the same type used in Skylark L. Hot-fire tests of the first stage are scheduled to take place no earlier than late 2024.
we'll see
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>>16496339
It was literally all "look how cool the USA and USSR were" with splatters of "we could have been cool too!"

I really enjoyed it though, it's a year pass so I'll go again soon. Packed full of kids though. I hated that.
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This was goofy. It was a concept for gemini which inflated into a paraglider instead of splashing. The reason was "we can't call the navy everytime a capsule lands".

Someone had a lot of fun designing that.
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>>16496356
they are called cigarettes.
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>>16496364
>won't be able to smoke inside the moonbase
Ah dammit
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EVA suit designed in the 40's by a pair of British schizo. It literally has a cape too.
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>>16496365
this is the only cigar-shaped object I want. we still have time
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>coworkers start talking about space again
This raises my blood pressure.
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>>16496378
what do they say
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>>16496370
>>16496375
Would it have worked? Did they even know vacuums were a thing back then?
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>>16496378
show them your power level, anon
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>>16496311
It's over. Space is cancelled.
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>>16496380
The usual, "we should fix Earth before going to Mars", "I just don't see the point".

What really gets me is when they start talking about facts on planets or moons, because I know more than them. It just really irritates me for some reason even if they say nothing wrong.
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>>16496378
Civilize the normies anon
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>>16496385
>"we should fix earth"
>"we should, but we wont, so now its time to leave"
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>>16496378
share the word of Our Lord
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>>16496378
>>16496385
Why are you blogging about this shit again? Go back to crystal cafe, dumb bitch.
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New Glenn launching this weekend
>The FAA issued three Class 1 NOTAMs on Nov 26th for "Space Ops".
>Airspace Restrictions around Cape Canaveral on Saturday, Sunday, and Monday (Local Time).
>First window is Friday, Nov 29th 11:40 PM to 4:31 AM Local (or the 30th 0450 to 0931 GMT)
>Second window is Saturday, Nov 30th 11:24 PM to 4:05 AM Local (or the 1st 0424 to 0905 GMT)
>Third is Sunday, Dec 1st 10:58 PM to 03:39 AM Local (or Dec 2nd 0358 to 0839 GMT)
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>>16496392
nice
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>>16496389
lol, it's always the same. poverty, hunger, wars, etc are only issues when talking about space. the rest of the time they forget about them, and go back to consume their hollywood, football, videogames, f1, fast food, etc. maybe we could stop all those multi-billion dollar industries, and feed the poor with that money instead? watch out how they'll get angry at you lmao
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>>16496375
>temperature regulation cape
holy sovl, britain should have been the one to dominate spaceflight instead of jewmerica
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>>16496392
God I hope so.
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>>16496392
not happening, fuck off
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one day blue origin will be launching starlinks and then you'll all be sorry
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>>16496370
by far the most soulful bit of British space hardware. what could have been...
>>16496358
I went there so many times as a kid due to living so close. I was a massive SpaceXister from the early days and have to admit, I was absolutely LIVID seeing an area dedicated to the fraud Richard Branson and his Virgin Galactic, but no mention of SpaceX and the then ongoing first F9 booster landing attempts.
>>16496344
I can tell if a company is legit or not based off the name, and these two are not making a working rocket, that I can tell you.
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do we think that spacex would run their own commercial competitions for mars? they're going to need to build a starbase there too. could we see them put out contracts like nasa does to help spur the development of the colony?
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>>16496378
Tell them you're thinking of going postal. Pretend not to know what it means
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>>16496392
>Launching
Doubt. It's probably something like a static fire.
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>>16496381
>>16496405
>>16496398
I think the early space exploration 'pioneers' were just retards. Supposedly one quoted "if it wasn't for the war we'd have landed on the moon already. As if the war and nazi scientists weren't the ones to make it happen.
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>>16496411
That's probably how a lot Mars side price discovery will work. SpaceX would put out a general offer to buy anything locally for cheaper than shipping. This will likely be the foundation of the economy all the way up until self sufficiency
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>>16496378
So what did you say to them? Or did you stay silent like a fag and decided to whine here?
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>>16496378
When talking to coworkers I refer to Starship as "the new space shuttle" to make things easier.
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>>16496392
would be nice but I doubt it, they haven't even static fired it yet
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>>16496336
I've eaten lunch under those rockets
>>16496370
Oh is that new? I don't remember seeing it when I went last year
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>>16496392
>NOTAM just in case Blorgin conducts an unscheduled launch during a static fire
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>>16496301
Not much of a conspiracy theorist, but there is similar footage for columbia which 'ends' 4 minutes before the breakup. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:STS-107,_final_moments_in_cabin_(Space_Shuttle_Columbia_disaster).webm

I have a sneaking suspicion that that isn't the case and the full length tape was destroyed in order to prevent a pr nightmare. NASA would have been forced to release it if they admitted it existed.
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>>16496430
I'm not sure, it was my first visit. It was super goofy and ridiculous but really cool. It was a great day, some great stuff. Full of kids which sucked. Kids don't care about space. Take them to indoor play areas instead.
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>>16496370
>ywn wear a moon cape
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I AM THANKFUL FOR /sfg/
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Anyone else just spend hours looking at planets and moons in SpaceEngine?
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>>16496488
no, I touch grass and look at the night sky instead.
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Epsilon's second stage failure mode determined to be insulation damaged by melted igniter.
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I'm definitely gonna build my homestead on the shore of Kraken Mare. If it looks this good comfy with these crappy graphics, it must look heavenly in real life. Dragonfly can't come soon enough.

>>16496490
I'm just incredibly autistic.
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new glenn was supposed to launch before 2020 btw https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/09/blue-origin-lc-36-cape-canaveral/
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>>16496493
Contrary to popular belief in esefgee, you don't need an atmosphere to live a comfy life
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>>16496286
Yes it's to pretend SpaceX isn't special. A straight analysis of how special they are would read like gargling Elon's balls to the haters, many of whom are Bloomberg subscribers.
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>>16495322
so the tracking TV cameras can see the rocket better against the black sky.
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>>16496493
>Dragonfly can't come soon enough.
Agree fellow autist
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We really need to start deifying Elon Musk
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>>16496518
Let's call it the church of elooongation.

Yeah, I'm inspired today, no need to thank me.
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>>16496518
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>>16496518
i thought we were already doing that?
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>>16496418
>As if the war and nazi scientists weren't the ones to make it happen.
Britain was making jet engines before Germany, the two were basically on par in advanced weapons technology. It's just that Britain had no need to make meme vunderwaffe because it had air superiority.
Jets and rockets werent some hidden technology to Europeans. Even Russia was mass producing rockets during the war. If Britain had the funding ina space program to prevent brain drain then it would have been on technological parity with America and Russia in the 60s
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>>16496523
We need to build a temple
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>>16496524
The first jet engine was built by a Norwegian called Williams Elling. He was way ahead of either Germans or UK
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>>16496518
Cringe. Elon is just a man, and people should aspire to be better than that.
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>>16496392
Dec 1st launch for kino 1 symbolism
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>>16496518
so the EDS patients have something real to bitch about? no thanks.
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>>16496518
the messiah
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>>16496518
all of elons ideas are bad besides spacex
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>>16496538
tesla?
>inb4 "not his idea"
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>>16496518
Elon is officially "The Great Elon Musk" in our official government documents. Once Elon starts landing Starships on Mars, he will be the Emperor of Mars.
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>>16496518
We have been
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>>16496557
looks like a true rocket baron
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>>16496545
>paying a subscription for something you already bought
>self driving car with internet connection
I assume he meant ideas though. Number of kids mattering more than raising the kids, same ideology as preserving humans on Mars, humans are totally fungible and no regard has been given to what daily life will actually be like. Same with hiring and firing like crazy, burning through young engineers. SpaceX is a miracle, but you can't push the formula any further than a rocket company. He needs to die before he can safely be regarded as anything more than an autistic man
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>>16496569
Retard
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>>16496546
>Emperor
Elon. The first Elon of Mars. As the father of rocketry foretold. The myth writes itself
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>>16496573
>Elon Elon, The First Elon
seems legit
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>>16496538
Boring Company’s not a flamethrower?
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>>16494696
>starship updates
>Here's why the last booster landed in the ocean, here's new footage of the booster ocean landing, here's new renders of the moon version, here's a timeline for orbital refueling tests
>SLS updates
>they moved a big metal tank from horizontal to vertical with a crane. This is a big progress milestone in the way to the next flight, hopefully less than a year away
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>>16496572
Why dumbass
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>>16496585
Teslas are the best. The other week one fried 3 jeets when it locked itself and caught fire. Whats not to like, tranny?
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Imagine being the guy to have sex with elon's trans son/daughter. THAT is a power move. Biden should arrange it.
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>>16496363
We used to have a guy who would post the Rogallo wing Gemini every thread
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>>16496601
Rogallo wing Gemini was an ancestor of the Space Shuttle
>ok we're landing with big drag rather than just parachutes in the nose
>maybe we could reuse the second stage as a service module?
>shit we need to put the heatshield on the side then
>so let's add some more aero surfaces
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First humans have landed. A small housing structure is built for permanent colonization process. You are now tasked to finish the job and grow the colony, while also running SpaceX's forward moving plans.

What are your plans.
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>>16496604
play diablo for 6 hours a day
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>>16496607
It's hard to argue against what works.
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>>16496604
Start making air mattresses.
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>>16496608
Delusional
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>>16496370
>British Interplanetary Society lunar EVA suit
I remember reading about this years ago. It looks weird to modern eyes but there's some surprisingly clever and prescient design and engineering ideas in it, especially when you consider that it was designed in the 1940's by amateur enthusiasts. I think it looks cool as fuck tee bee aych, like a space-knight.

It does have some things included that are dumb as fuck though. The big chest houses an airlock, so that an explorer can have a closer look at rock samples within his suit. Hope they enjoy dying of lung disease a few years later due to that dust getting everywhere, not to mention the risks involved with bringing an unknown mineral sample never before exposed to O2 into your small life-support environment.
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>>16496604
Order a deep scan of the planet for stable lava tubes to seal up and live in.
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>>16496613
>enjoy dying of lung disease a few years later due to that dust...
The asbestos-lined suit was already going to take care of that. Might as well get a closer look at some cool roggs.
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Thoughts? The telescopes look ridiculous, I think I'll change them out when I unlock next deep space telescope. I'll try to put it onto the end of a module or start a new tree. There's the docking port with a basic ship as reference. I don't plan on having propulsion though, but I've got a lot of reaction wheels. Building will be a bit tricky, I plan to use RCS then remove the tanks and thrusters once docked. I was thinking of adding a load of tanks for refueling but I don't really see a point. I'm not sure what else to add, I probably need more mods to add anything functional.

Going to build a shuttle which I haven't before to help build it all but I'll stick most of it in fairings and reuse as much of the rockets as I can.
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>>16496619
had to do a double take when I saw that
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>>16496619
had to do a doubIe take when I saw that
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>>16496620
a bit overkill overall but looks great, but why do you need static solarpanels below the main one?
>Going to build a shuttle which I haven't before
Oh boy, good luck lol
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>>16496626
you thought it was Andrew Tate?
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>>16496629
Who
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>>16496627
I was going to place radiators but they looked gay when clipped together. I think the panels give it a better look instead of just the beams. Docked it all together will be fun, might get the breaking ground dlc. Apparently it's got pistons and a few other handy tools.
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>>16496518
>>16496557
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>>16496370
>>16496614
Imagine a pre-WW2 moon landing.
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>>16496582
It's just a big torch
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>>16496619
oh great now he's going to bitch about rubber in space too.
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>>16496599
I think about this frequently. If I could think of a way to do it it would be my main goal right now
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>>16496659
Me too, unironically. We should brainstorm.
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>>16496639
Not a chance in hell. If it weren’t for WWII rocket technology in 2024 would look like rocket technology from 1955
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>>16496659
>>16496660
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>>16496636
most ksp dlc's are decent, and the pistons are fun to play with (still should've been just part of the game instead of a money grab)
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>>16496670
>Not a chance in hell
Germany could've done it I bet.
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>>16496677
I know the silver bird is cool and all, but the nazis had cooler shit
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>>16496613
>Hope they enjoy dying of lung disease a few years later
Send some random British coal miner and they will come back healthier than if they stayed in the mines.
>>16496614
Would this suit actually work if it was awarded the Artemis suit contract?
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>>16496620
>Going to build a shuttle
Tip: They arent aerodynamically stable on reentry. Expect to spin out without heavy use of RCS. I went through so many shuttle attempts thinking I was getting soemthign wrong until realising that the irl shuttle wasnt aero stable on reentry either, because the tail is hidden from the airflow.
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>>16496677
Without the war aggregat funding would have dried up with not much to show and nazi vanity projects would have taken the form of large buildings and terrestrial machines.
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So what do we think? Did the Nazis actually make it to the moon during WW2?
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>>16496518
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>>16496291
>>16496197
It's gonna be 100 tons to LEO, have no reuse, and will take another decade to fly.
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>>16496569
>humans are totally fungible and no regard has been given to what daily life will actually be like.
>hiring and firing like crazy, burning through young engineers.
>He needs to die before he can safely be regarded as anything more than an autistic man
I think I've heard this one before
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>>16496685
Try building a big X-37B instead where the tail is in the airstream.
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>>16496381
>Did they even know vacuums were a thing back then?
Yes lol
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>>16496291
>>16496197
man these new designs look so ass, the soviets were the last ones with good sense of aesthetics
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>>16496381
>Did they even know vacuums were a thing back then
I think so. I actually have pic related, the brush attachment is hopelessly corroded but the motor still spins up when plugged in.
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Anyone interested in mars colonization?
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>>16496702
You'll have to start paying us for our ideas, elon.
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>>16496608
FH with the extended fairing is going to look like a whole different rocket
What’s the lore behind it though? i.e. why has FH extended fairing been in the works for what seems like years and years yet it’s taking forever to show itself (besides that one deleted NASA photo lol)
What’s the freaking holdup
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>>16496702
Is this your first time here
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>>16496702
not really
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>>16496702
yeah it’s alright
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>>16496711
Is it true that only racist apartheid are interested in mars colony?
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>>16496702
we should fix Earth first
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>>16496702
Yeah but I want to be the only person who gets to live there, the rest of you keep out.
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>>16496715
we should break earth even worse
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>If all goes well on Flight 7 we'll be aiming for Flight 8 and first ship catch on the 20th.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1670176427407228931
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>>16496728
Looking into this.
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>>16496717
How about I take the notth pole and you have the rest or the planet. We can build a border wall around my region as well.
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>>16496679
those are nice. starship looks like the real version of all of them, lets be honest.
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>>16496728
Wtf I hate elon now
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>>16496735
NO! I NEED THE WHOLE PLACE TO MYSELF!
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>>16496381
of course. in the other direction, guys had been working fine at many many ATM and coming back no problem. People were not dumb. The effect of varying pressures were well understood.
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>>16496742
Offgassing of materials in vacuum is still hard to predict without testing.
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>>16496748
and vacuum chambers were also a thing
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>>16496728
concerning
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>>16496700
>dust is stored in the ball
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>>16496333
>I'm still asshurt that F9 isn't fully reusable.

Second stage reuse comes with a massive payload penalty.

F9 is too small of a rocket to make the second stage reusable and still have a worthwhile payload to LEO.

This is why Stokes rocket is a joke even if they are successful with their second stage design.
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>>16496772
Stoke's rocket is chubbier and uses higher Isp propellants (methalox 1st stage, hydrolox 2nd stage). They also admit it's basically a pathfinder for a larger system.
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Epsilon S motor failure album
https://www.flickr.com/photos/nvslive/albums/72177720322188708/
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>>16496777
>pathfinder for a larger system
There's very little chance of this happening if Stokes fails 1-2 times. Money isnt infinite.
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When?
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you think you hate nasa enough...
just wait till i finish making my next post
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Spacegoy5 is back to arguing about Starship again. This time hes moved the goalposts from Starship will never be fully reusable to it has no market. What is wrong with these “people”?
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>>16496787
Free the nukes
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>these drawings of Orion craft that are way too fucking small to make any sense
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>>16496777
>Stoke's rocket is chubbier and uses higher Isp propellants

It is the same diameter and substantially shorter yet Stoke thinks they will manage 5 tons to LEO.
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>>16496790
his type can only cope
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Given that rockets are basically just legos spacex should put a falcon second stage inside starships payload bay and also out the top a little bit as a high energy alternative to orbital refueling.
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>>16496796
LH 2 upper helps a low compared to a fat kerolox S2
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>>16496790
>it has no market
People really just can't deal with the existence of Starlink at a conceptual level, can they?
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>>16496798
Seven Electron rockets in a cluster, fully fueled.
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Fully reusable.
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https://x.com/Pinboard/status/1861118698263613839
>There's no pre-cooked MRE type food in existence that is nutritionally complete and has a five-year shelf life, which is what you need for Mars.

[SAD NEWS] NASA can't figure out how to send food to mars
its actually over
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>>16496803
u cant stack rockets vertically
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>>16496791
These looks incredibly wasteful
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>>16496787
Two weeks
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>>16496790
it'll be so funny to see the meltdown when SpaceX land on the Moon and Mars
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>>16496804
>nasa doesnt know about prepper food
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>>16496804
Just have that Steve guy consulting on making long-term shelf life MRE.
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>>16496804
Are these people actually retarded?
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>>16496810
doesn't count because reasons
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>>16496804
Incorrect.
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>>16496799
It really doesn't for LEO, especially considering the high dry mass of the stage.
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>>16496804
>There's no pre-cooked MRE type food in existence that is nutritionally complete and has a five-year shelf life
I'm almost sure that's not true
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https://x.com/benjiunofficial
nice account anon
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>>16496804
>"It's impossible to reach the New World, there's no food that lasts the trip!"
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>>16496816
>>16496814
>>16496812
>>16496811
>>16496810
sorry but you guys are wrong
https://ift.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdfdirect/10.1111/j.1750-3841.2010.01982.x

NASA checked and nothing works, guess you won't be going to mars after all :(
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>>16496819
see
>>16496818
Send them off with hardtack and multivitamins they'll be fine.
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>>16496804
Freeze dried foods have shelf lives in the decades.
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>>16496822
doesn't count
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>>16496819
People at McMurdo station ate nothing but leftover expired food daily for a prolonged amount of time, just have the food freeze-dried or some shit and they'll be fine.
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what they mean is DEI food doesnt survive and food that survives is racist
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>>16496824
don't make me say it again >>16496823
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>>16496819
>muh nutrition
the entire american population cannot be allowed to go to america
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>>16496825
based
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>>16496827
>the entire american population
bratty americans need ozempic correction!!!
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>>16496831
Free with your order: heart failure!
>if you or a loved one was injured by Ozempic, you may be entitled to financial compensation
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>>16496831
we can just bring ozempic to mars. problem solved
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>>16496825
And you literally have no rebuttal
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>>16496834
ozempic fixes heart failure tho
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>>16496837
See you in 5 years.
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>>16496801
It seems not.
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>>16496842
it's already been prescribed for 7 years
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>>16496842
its been around for years like the other anon said
plus you know what else causes heart failure? being obese
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>>16496801
>NOOOOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT IF YOU EXPAND THE MARKET CAPACITY YOURSELF!!!
>YOU CAN'T JUST CREATE GROWTH WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY AND CAPABILITIES THAT CHANGE THE PARADIGM NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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>>16496845
all the millions dead due to vaccine are actually dead due to ozempic
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>>16496801
not really
the arguments always seem to escalate quickly as well. To the point now I consider most online Starlink haters to be paid fud or retarded.
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>>16496804
food can last indefinitely if its sealed and frozen
you need heat management systems if you're going to Mars anyway
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>Starship lands on moon
>crisp HD feed
>"powered by Starlink" embedded in top right corner
It'll just feel wrong, you know, it's not meant to be that clean and high def
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>>16496804
This is oldspace nonsense. You don't need "MRE type food" if you can send an entire kitchen.
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>>16496684
>Send some random British coal miner and they will come back healthier than if they stayed in the mines.
The norf would conquer the stars and rename space "up norf"
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>>16496801
They also struggle with the idea that Starship launches will be cheaper for SpaceX to conduct than Falcon 9 launches (well that is the stated goal, and seems doable if they get 2nd stage reuses working fine, which also seems doable after the last few test flights). So SpaceX can use Starship to launch all the other satellites they currently get contracts for and make an even higher profit margin from it.
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>>16496819
half of this paper comes down to mass autism
>all the additional processing to remove 10% more moisture to save 200 grams per crewmember per day (less than a ton saved for a 6 crew 2 year mars and back trip)
>vitamin/nutrition losses over time are a problem because you have to strip as much moisture as possible out of your packaged foodstuffs (which also breaks down vitamin content)
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>>16496872
doing an apollo mission to mars is completely friggin retarded in the first place
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>>16496874
Jeff pls
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>>16496874
>he doesn't know
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>>16496702
no, in this general we are only interested in titan colonization
go back
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>>16496874
You’re too late, I’m afraid.
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>>16496787
Why is it colored like a chad
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>>16496804
Starship is big enough to shut these idiots up.
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https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1862334414887260409

>Elon is spending Thanksgiving with Trump tonight in Florida.
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>>16496891
He should spend it with his sons…
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>>16496891
why not spending it with his sons?
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New video on the private British space program
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hihn3DXqS10
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>>16496891
He should be spending it with me...(his son...)
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please do not talk about flight club in the /v/ elon shitpost thread
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>>16496891
I hope he brought his sons
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>>16496891
how is this spaceflight related?
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>>16496891
Elon x Donald when
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>>16496897
*daughter
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>>16496901
this post is extremely low quality
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>>16496901
>archiveofourown
oh boy, the amount of hours I've spent on that site and fanfiction.net...
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>>16496901
this is gay
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Rip out the FAA, root and stem.
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A Japanese astronaut flew to the ISS, and he was really scared. Spacefright
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>Trump wins
>every space company on the west coast that's actually doing things (i.e. not Astra or Gravitics) ramps up hiring
Get your applications in, anons. 4ASS must rise.
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>>16496908
good one, anongpt
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>>16496909
I should have bought some RKLB a month ago. I don't know if it's too late now to get in on some decent gains.
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>>16496522
Top is AI, bottom has been photoshopped. Soulless.
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>>16496912
>RKLB
go back
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>>16496915
...in time, to buy more stocks. Yes! That's exactly what I want to do!
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>>16496918
Stop being a degenerate, Elon would be disappointed...
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>>16496907
Id like Starship to pull on my root and stem if you know what Im saying
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>>16496922
Are you going to pay for my ticket out of this planet?
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>>16496926
Just go into indentured servitude easy fix
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>>16496927
it's not as bad as it sounds
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The easiest way to get a ticket to Mars is you sign a contract that you work for basically free other than having your living expenses paid for on the colony where needed (basically slave labor) until the wages that you wouldve made at minimum pay make up for your ticket costs. This is literally just indentured servitude except for more skilled work and likely better conditions than 1600s imports had.
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>>16496790
It'll just be eternal goalpost moving. Once they're actually regularly flying to Mars, these guys will just switch to okay they have a colony, but living on Mars sucks. I saw this video on Youtube one day, to be fair I don't know what this dude's stance on self driving cars was before, but he seems to have been proactive about complaining how self driving cars will ruin the ol' walkable cities. Most people still seem to be at the "those things will never work out" stage whenever someone mentions them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040ejWnFkj0
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>>16496934
Quick math, say ticket is $100k to cover the propellant cost + your food cost on the 7 month journey, and minimum wage is $7.50/hr and you work 50 hour work weeks every week of the year, you pay off that ticket in about 5 years time. Not too shabby to move to another planet, though ticket prices will likely be higher and you could also literally just sell all your posessions on Earth, $20k is the equivalent of 1 year of work. If its $250k per ticket, then thats about 13 years of work under someone elses jurisdiction.
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>>16496936
Ok now do the math again, but this time, don't forget the taxes and interest.
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>>16496938
You do it. I said quick math, faglet. You can do that shit
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