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Do you still find science cool or fun?
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>>16575381
Yes. Nature is magical. If you don’t think this, then you don’t truly love nature, or science. You’re a boring grey blob if you don’t see the divine beauty all around.
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>>16575493
People who "don’t see the divine beauty all around" are part of nature, and if you don't see their divine beauty then you're part of the problem.
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>>16575381
Only when it produces things that combine utility and beauty, like a guitar or an integrated circuit.
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>>16575493
Magical in a mechanical way maybe, the same way an autist plays with his train kits in his 30s. It is otherwise hell and you're probably a psychopath if you enjoy it in any other way than the aforementioned
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>>16576090
>Magical in a mechanical way maybe
nope. just look at the consciousness phenomenon. weird as shit. based on particle interaction and laws of this universe. fields and quantum shit and all that. it's fucking amazing.
but humans coped with their limitations by fantasizing about imaginary worlds where everything is better to help with the pain of being (currently) limited. so much so they're in some Stockholm syndrome relationship with those limitations.
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>>16576099
>nope. just look at the consciousness phenomenon. weird as shit. based on particle interaction and laws of this universe. fields and quantum shit and all that. it's fucking amazing.
nobody has any (justified) idea of how consciousness works
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>>16576103
it's clearly something that's permitted by the laws of this universe. based on them. are you crazy or what? it's like seeing fire and going "clearly magic, this isn't real, has nothing to do with this universe". what's wrong with some of you is your brain mush?
you can absolutely infer it's based on laws of this universe, there's no question about it. just because you don't understand how it's happening doesn't mean it's something not based on the laws of this universe. that's absolute brain rot
>nobody has any (justified) idea of how consciousness works
I do. it's based on particle interaction. it can't be any other way. you need to prove it's not if you're going to say otherwise. it's based on particle interaction like everything else. this doesn't have to be proven, it's the default state of things for anything we observe. always.
whenever we observe something new we don't go all
>holy shit this has NOTHING to do with our universe until someone proves otherwise
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>>16576118
It's reasonable to think that consciousness follows natural laws, but they don't have to be the ones we currently theorize. Maybe consciousness primarily happens in another space disjoint from the observable universe that follows classical mechanics and no quantum bullshit
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>>16576129
>Maybe consciousness primarily happens in another space disjoint from the observable universe
ever wondered why you so easily tend to BELIEVE that? with no proof whatsoever?
>muh intuition is better than scientific method
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>>16576129
as in you not only just invented consciousness must be related to some other thing which has nothing to do with this universe, you literally invent that "thing". you pull some "another space disjoint from the observable universe" out of your ass like it clearly makes sense. you invented a whole...thing, just like that, and you're extremely comfortable with that.
bro if that doesn't seem off to you then you'll fuck up with science.
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>>16576131
>>16576133
My asspull is just as valid as vaguely assuming that consciousness follows from currently known physics. There's not even any scientific proof "consciousness" exists. Maybe it doesn't exist and you just think you're conscious? Did you follow the scientific method to conclude that you are conscious?
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>>16576136
>My asspull is just as valid as vaguely assuming that consciousness follows from currently known physics.
why though? what is the real reason for you just supposing that? it's pure cope and dogma, drop the shit
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>>16576137
The very idea of a "consciousness" with subjective experience is dogma and intuition. In the same way, humans across many societies have intuited that consciousness is not tied to our physical bodies. Where does it go? If it existed in the matter we know about, any encoding of consciousness would quickly degrade, so it should exist in a way that it cannot interact much with the known universe.
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>>16576140
>intuited that consciousness is not tied to our physical bodies
why I say it's cope. you can't use that as science. it's hope and cope, something else happens after death, and the only way primitive chimps found a way towards that was this "outside our universe other place thing". for whatever primitive reasons. that's not science. doesn't matter ALL people "feel" that, it's not science thus could be pure cope that's it. survival shit. whatever. doesn't matter. it's not science.
also don't get mad at me for invalidating that cope. it's not my fucking problem. I'm just pointing out that's not science.
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>>16576147
If that's cope then so is thinking subjective experience exists. We only think it exists based on intuition.
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>>16576152
doesn't matter what you call reality. what matters is the consequences of experiencing it. if I can't avoid getting hungry by thinking it's not real Idgaf about what you call it or what you think it is.
also particle interaction and shit in this universe doesn't mean you can't exist after you die here. from your perspective. just keep it science related anon that's it.
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>>16576154
Then there's nothing more wondrous about consciousness than your finger being itchy.
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>>16576099
>>nope. just look at the consciousness phenomenon. weird as shit. based on particle interaction and laws of this universe.
Purely conjectural. Atheists can't prove this.
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>>16576118
>>it's clearly something that's permitted by the laws of this universe.
how do unmaterial laws outside the universe act on a matter inside the universe?
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>>16576212
it's not only atheists saying it and whoever says it doesn't need to prove it. it's the default state of things for anything in this universe.
>>16576213
>how do unmaterial laws outside the universe
no such thing, it's crazy talk.
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>>16576118
"laws of this universe"
A reminder that scientific "laws" are just our best models for explaining observations. There is no stone tablet stuck at the centre of the galaxy that says it must be this way.
>it can't be any other way
Until you explain the particle interactions Jesus used to make water into wine, I'm not buying it.
Or Cartesian dualism. Thought and consciousness are distinctly separate from matter, as one is proven, per se illustrata, the other is inferrable only through the first, through senses that everybody knows to lie. (As in dreams, hallucinations, etc)
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>>16575381
Yes, but I’ve long-since accepted that I’m never going to be in a position to solve for than minor mysteries in my field.
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>>16575381
Yes but im an idiot and have accepted that my place is to never solve any real problems or creatively contribute to anything. I'm a spectator, through and through.
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>>16576321
>Until you explain the particle interactions Jesus used to make water into wine, I'm not buying it.
the absolute state of /sci/ence
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>>16575493
FPBP
Modern day "scientists" are soulless, emotionless Borg drones
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>>16575381
science(tm) is fake and gay but observing the natural world and figuring out how it worls will always be cool



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