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>>62923463>(embed) (embed)I have brought shame!
I'm trying to convince myself to write. Would anyone read WFB fanfics if I wrote them? I got a pretty hefty Bretonnian bias, but I like and know most of the setting enough to write it reasonably well.
>>62924437Yes, I generally enjoy the fanfic posted on these generals.
>>62924437Sure, I'd be down to read it if you wrote it, there's an absolute dearth of good warhammer fantasy fanfic out there, bring it on, nigger.
>>62924507>>62924712Sweet. I have a couple ideas already, but I'd appreciate suggestions.
>>62924749>oi stunty>silence animal!>this is 3rd ed>so?>I'm a female orc>by Grungi's beard>you're gonna find out how half orcs are made>by the ancestors no!
>>62925195In any other setting that'd be kinda hot.
>egyptian on dunes surfboards/monuments
>>62925538What do you think Tomb Kings do with the people that die in their lands? They're not like Vampire Counts, who just dominate whatever dead are nearby.
>>62924437People enjoyed my longbeard ramblings, so I don't see why not
>>62924437As long as it's not smut.
>>62926588That was good stuff, sometimes I honestly wondered if you were just recounting fluff or making it up as you went. Wish threads were always that comfy.>>62926680I make no promises, but my smut would probably be very boring because I care about characters and holding hands and would probably end it with some artsy fartsy 'despite the pleasure that had happened, they were both aware it was not to last' kind of thing.
So I'm starting a gme of Warhammer Fantasy with some friends and a friend asking about gods got me intrested, Is there a god of time among any of the Pantheons? the core doesn't say anything about that domain in particular and Wiki's are little less than useless.
>>62926736>they were both aware it was not to last' kind of thing.Worst kind of romance writing. Not sure why people do it.
>>62926736The saga of Kadrin Redmane was written by studying the fluff, everything else was made up. And the only reason I stopped writing them was because anons stopped asking for them and it did not feel right for the venerable longbeard to ask to do that stuff.
>>62925650Depends on the edition. Only Nu-Tomb Kings from the 8th edition are like that, before the 8th they were evil necromancers.
>>62926588The longbeard tales were a nice touch
>playing with the lothern sea patrol>full scale battles on the high waves against black arks and pirates>sacking settlements of evil factions.YES, FUCKING YES
>>62926813I dunno, it feels more...impactful than just they had sex once and then everything was good after that. If it has emotional weight, it's not just porn, right? Kind of fits somewhat with the tone of WFB too, the idea of two people desperately needing something to distract them from the encroaching darkness.>>62926921Sorry folks stopped asking, I would've helped but my sleep schedule's been fucked the last few days. I'm not as stubborn and work-oriented as a dwarf.Swear if I ever write a story set in a dwarf hold you'll have a reference in it, Longbeard.
>>62926782not really - closest thing among the human pantheon might be Morr
>defeating Lokhir gives you the Black Heart Down traitkek
It's that time again.You know the drill. 8th/7th ed model, 6th ed rules
>>62927227There's a time and place for everything, lad. After a saga is told, it will be remembered. Maybe by only those who first heard it, but who knows? Maybe they will share the saga to their kin until it passes into legend... I don't claim to seek glory like those prancing humans from Bretonnia but it would be nice to be remembered in saga, one as enduring as Karaz-A-Karak itself.I need an ale. The manlings and halflings might not know how to brew a proper beer, but atleast the pies are good. Just don't ask what's in them.
>>62927410Basically work as night goblin fanatics, except they're not hidden in a unit, move 4d6 per turn and have S5 T4 W4. They.do not die if they roll double but always move through scatter die
>>62927471I don't suppose a dwarf has ever held a grudge against a halfling, honored dwarf? It seems impossible for anyone to dislike the halflings for long!
What if GW took the Tolkien's way and had a Halfling save the day during the End times, revealing that they were the ultimate race left by the Old Ones to fight Chaos ?
>>62927928Would be better if it would be a gnome. Imagine 90% of the warhammer fanbase being confused about the existence of that race.
>>62927928Hey yeah, they could write a series of books about it, too!
>>62927928Knowing GW the halfling would almost save the day, but then Archaon would skewer him and it'd be up to Sigmaster to stop him.
>>62927640You nearly made me spill my beer there, lad! You don't suppose a dwarf ever held a grudge against a halfling!? I assume you don't suppose an elgi would ever lie to you or that the grobi could threaten the Empire, either? There is no creature big or small that is beneath or above a grudge, lad. And you best remember that....Now, if you'll get me another brew and let me fire up my pipe, I'll tell you a saga to remember my words by. A more recent one, mind you. Not a tale of old. 'tis a tale of a grave injustice to our kind. Of thievery, treachery and guile. Aye, 'tis the saga of Rordi's butter knife.
>>62928075Aye grandfather - here, this is a fine brew by the brewmaster Zamnil Dragonback.
Can a honourable beastman warlord exist ?
>>62928121Not in the human (chivalry) or dwarven/elven sense. In WHFB, Chaos is too pervasive in the Beastman psyche for honour to exist. However, he could respect strength in his enemies and take pleasure in beating an opponent fair and square, ie not striking him when he's down and giving him time to get back up. Some Khornate Beastmen would also dislike ambushing tactics, preferring a straight fight in the field/woods. A Beastlord could also find weakness contemptible, and not attack civilians for that reason. Nothing would stop his underlings from murdering/pillaging though. In T9A lore (which is still in its infancy, so anything the player wants for their army goes) Beastmen are more natural and less chaos-oriented, so an honourable beastlord could fit in there if you wanted it.
>>62926782Alluminas or Morr, but only tangentially. One might argue that goddess of law Verena has authority over timeKEEPING.
>>62928121Beastfucks have no true concept of honourHe could be honourable in the Khornate way which is basically "I'm gonna let this child pick up a knife and THEN I'll rip off his head"
>>62926782Not as directly as Akatosh or something. Taal and Rhya are concerned with the seasons, and Myrmidia or Verena in their civilization roles might have something to do with time. But the Old World calendar was a bit more of a secular invention and doesn't seem to have much godly related to it.If you look outside the Old World, Asuryan may be a candidate for his focus on predestined events, and Morai-Heg for knowledge of fate. Xhotl of the Lizardmen dieties has some association with destiny, so...maybe?
>>62928317Also keep in mind a lot of really minor dieties exist in the Empire, like 'only one town' kind of minor. You could make up one.
Rookie GM here, and I need a hand. I'm trying to plan out a potential fight, and every time I try to make up stats for the OpFor, my eyes glaze over. Any chance you guys would be willing to lend me a hand?
Geneviève Dieudonné or Angelika Fleischer?
>>62927928too subversive for grimdark.
>>62928464Sure what do you need
>>62928099Much appreciated, lad, now, let's see... Rordi Karsson was a dwarf of the empire, he was. His ancestors settled in the lands of men as they felt that the future of our kind lay in the kinship forged between Sigmar's sons and us. And in some ways they were right, I suppose. Many a grudge has been struck out from the Dammaz Kron with the help of the men of the empire... Even if some have been added into it due to their foolishness as well. But those are tales for another time.Now Rordi! He was no warrior. An axe he would only use to cut firewood and a knife he only held when preparing meat. You see, Rordi owned a tavern. The tavern had belonged to his father before him, and his father before him, all the way to the time of it's building. It's survived and stood there in Altdorf and will stand for as long as that city endures. It was built to last, you see. Rordi's tavern is not one of those little wooden huts that might fall over in the breeze or burn from a spark, it is like a small piece of our mountain holds... Built to last as a sanctuary to all of dwarfkind in the lands of men, and to let them see how to properly build a tavern!The tavern's name was Karak Brog, the hold of bread. It's been a promise to all travellers since the day it was built that everyone will receive shelter of the hold and nourishment from the bread if they are to enter. Some men call it the "Dwarven tavern" or "The tavern of runes" from the messages carved into the doorway in Khazalid, but Karak Brog is it's true name, and Rordi Karsson it's proud owner.
>>62928662He was a crafty salesman, he was. He paid his respects to the ancestors and kept with the ways of old, but that did not stop him from heightening the entrance to allow men to enter more comfortably and to purchase cushions for the seats. He made friends with the best brewers of beer in the empire, most of them dwarves like he, and it is said that no matter what you asked to slake your thirst with, Rordi would smile and reach behind his counter... If you had the coin to pay, of course.His tavern had always been popular with our kind, but it was that it began to get a reputation among the men of Altdorf too. They found it mystifying and exotic, a place to see how our kind lives... And Rordi was a talkative fellow, always telling of the sagas of our ancestors to anyone who'd listen. There were merchants from Tilea, scholars and students from the university, nobles from all corners of the empire and some say that even a few elves visited! And remarkably enough, Rordi didn't kick them out on their scrawny arses... Though tales are that he greatly enjoyed having them try some dwarven delicacies such as stonebread... Ha, must have broken their teeth on that!So it was that one day, Rordi invited a halfling into his hall to discuss business, for he wanted to start selling halfling-made bread and pie as he knew they were popular with men of the empire... And some dwarfs too, I admit. The halfling was a salesman who would know the bakers and butchers of his kind, and his name was Malcombe Butterworth-Pinsterberry. But Rordi made one fatal mistake. As he sat down at the table to talk, he told the Malcombe to make himself at home.
>>62928464Gladly, though I don't get home for quite some time. I am actually building a folio of generic NPCs for my games and could share some samples depending on what you want and what your party's experience level is.>>62928480Kattarin the Bloody
>>62928673Now if you haven't met many halflings you wouldn't know, but halflings are an annoying sort of folk. They're loud, obnoxious and do not understand that if you have nothing to say, it is better to not say anything than fill the air with noise. And worst of all, they think thieving... "loaning" they call it... is just fine! So it was that as soon as Rordi had said that, the fat halfling had his big, bare feet on the table, buttering up a slice of bread, leaning back on the cushioned chair and talking of matters of no import to their business together!By the time Rordi got Malcombe to talk of matters of import, the Halfling had gorged himself on the beer, wine, cheese and bread that Rordi had set for them to enjoy after concluding their business, as is the proper way. One should use their mouth for eating or talking, not both at the same time, as my ma used to say. Before their business was concluded, however, they could not reach an agreement. It is not sure if Malcombe had simply wanted the opportunity to take advantage of Rordi's hospitality or if Rordi had become offended by the halflings manner or any other reason, but no pact was struck.The two parted ways and it was only when Rordi was cleaning the mess the halfling had left on the table did he realize what had happened. His runic butter knife, the Gal Maraz, was nowhere to be seen! It had been his dearest possession, brought back from the very hold they had left upon moving into the empire, and was only used on special occasions or when conducting business. Gal Maraz, or "Gold Splitter" in reikspiel was, by itself, an expensive object. It had a handle of gold and an edge so keen and warm that no matter how frozen your butter would be, it would spread perfectly onto a perfect golden layer on bread.
>>62928684Rordi could not believe it. For hours he searched the room, emptying it completely, and it was almost that he tore the walls and the floor apart in search when he realized that it had been stolen, not lost. It is said that he stayed in his own chamber for hours afterwards. In a fit of rage or contemplating the Slayer oath none can say, but it is known that when he emerged, he ordered the tavern closed for business and for everyone to leave for he had a grudge to settle. It was unheard of for Rordi's tavern to close, causing much wagging of beards and many an oldbeard demanded to stay, until Rordi explained his grudge.A silence fell over Karak Brog, even the humans understanding that this was a matter of grave import... And the few halflings who had occupied a corner table slinking away. The silence was quickly broken by shouted promises of aid and demands of vengeance for the theft of the butter knife. Even if Rordi had tried to stop them it was too late. Some of the longbeards were deep into their cups while young dwarfs saw that this was a moment for them to perform a great deed and right a wrong.And so it was that the Throng of Karak Brog marched to war. Mind you, it was merely a score of dwarves and not an army, but they knew it was their duty to aid another dwarf in need. The book of grudges, so far used to mark unpaid debts and unfair trade deals and one not touched in years due to Rordi's skills at enterprise found a new entry marked into it, every dwarf present giving their oath and swearing themselves to Rordi's service to strike this grudge out. Rordi himself dressed himself in the armor of his father's father, a bit tight around the gut but he was still a fearsome sight, the ancient suit having occupied a place of honor as decoration for the hall but now brought to it's true purpose again.
>>62928691They took to the streets, marching grimly towards the Butterworth-Pinsterberry storehouse, garnering no small amount of attention as they went. Patrols of guards were curious but the dwarves did not have steel drawn and there was no law against marching down the street so there was naught they could do but to report to their superiors.Rordi was no leader but he looked to all like a thane of a saga as he stormed into the warehouse, demanding for Malcombe to come forth, his mailed fist pounding on the desk at the entrance. It was only after a moment of shouting and confusion that it was determined by a frightened accountant that Malcombe had already retired for the evening, and would most likely be found at the Buttered Pig, an establishment much like Rordi's own, though made with Halfling crafstmanship, if one can call it that... And of somewhat ill repute.The dwarf throng marched their way into the Pig, the establishment falling silent as the dwarfs filtered in through the narrow doorway, forming a wall of armored figures with Rordi at their helm, addressing the drunk crowd."I demand for Malcombe Butterworth-Pinsterberry to come forth and return the Gal Maraz to it's rightful owner, and pay a recompense of five hundred gold coin for the lost business from the hours this campaign has taken me!" he demanded. A fair deal, for he would have been within his rights to demand the contents of his storehouse and more besides, so grave was the grudge.
>>62928711It was a moment of great importance in Rordi's life, trembling within his armor but not letting it show. His throng was outnumbered three to one, the establishment packed full with the childlike creatures. This was his moment to uphold the honor of his ancestors and of his clan. So it was that there was a collective gasp and murmuring from the dwarf line when from the assembled halflings came a cry of "Go stuff yerself!".Rordi did not falter, however, repeating his demand. The halflings, timid as they were, understood that these folks would not leave them be before matters were settled and so formed into a line of their own, holding pie tins, forks and knives in their pudgy hands, the middle of the tavern emptied as the patrons chose their sides. It was then that Malcombe arrived, flanked by the owner of the Pig in an apron, armed with a rolling pin and with a kettle to protect his head.The situation was tense, the halflings sweating profusely. "We cannot pay such a sum, hey?" Malcombe began, wringing his hands in front of himself. "And 'sides, it's yer own fault for closin' yer tavern. So why don' you take me mates advice an' go stuff yerself? Or go shave yer beard or whatever it is ye dwarfs do.". It wasn't clear if Malcombe did not know what a grave insult he had said or if he was truly foolish enough to say it to a dwarf as Rordi smashed his mailed fist into his face with a roar.
>>62928721...Well, it was not exactly a fight you'd write a saga out of, but it is important to tell. The dwarfs did not draw their weapons as there'd be no glory in attacking an unarmed foe like that, and it would have looked bad within the lands of the empire to do so. The halfling with his rolling pin stuck Rordi's helmet, knocking it to the side and blinding him for the moment as both sides clashed into battle. Fists met with pudgy guts, boots stomped on toes, fingers were poked into eyeholes in helmets and beards were pulled. Some dwarfs went down fighting under the weight of three or four halflings pulling them down, only for their friends to come help, pulling the pudgy bastards off them and flinging them into the furniture. Chairs were smashed upon the backs of dwarfs, tables upturned to act as cover, flagons and trays flung as missiles.It was well into the night that the battle raged on, both ale-fuelled sides refusing to give in, those that had been knocked unconscious coming to and joining battle again until exhaustion took them and they were left snoring on the floor, ignoring the cries of the town guards outside to demand for the fight to cease. They could not rightly stop the fight as the doorway was too small for them to properly enter, one soldier having gotten stuck on the doorway as he had tried to enter and had a bottle smashed on his head for his troubles, knocking him unconscious.It was the third time Rordi was about to hit Malcombe unconscious again before he finally surrendered. He promised to pay back the gold and more besides, but the knife he had already parted with. He spoke hurriedly, covering his face with his arms, explaining that a rich noble from the Border Princes had wanted to buy it for his betrothed and had left Altdorf as soon as the sale was done.
>>62928729Rordi was shocked and appalled, the dwarfs still standing sharing his grief. Had he taken the slayer oath then and there they would have understood, but he did not. Instead he turned to leave, leaving the tavern decimated and the floor covered in broken utensils, vomit, snoring halflings and blood, the throng victorious but it was hollow for they had failed to strike out the grudge. No matter what they would have done to the Malcombe mattered no longer for the knife was lost to them.but if there is one thing we dawi are, it's persistent. The oath was still binding the throng, small as it was, and they knew where the butter knife had been taken. And so it was that Rordi left his tavern for his most trusted employee Snorri to take care of until he'd return with Gal Maraz. And with his host assembled, he marched out to continue his campaign, no longer merely the owner of a tavern but a leader of men, the sum of the sale for the knife returned to him by Malcombe, with which to purchase the knife back for he was no thief.So it is that if you come across a gold-handled knife that is warm to the touch, you know who it's owner is and where it belongs. And so you know that if you ever meet a throng of twenty and one dwarves in search of the Gal Maraz you know of their quest.So you see, there is no reason too big or small to not hold a grudge. Nor is there a creature too big nor small to hold a grudge against. But not all grudges can be solved with a sharp axe or a glorious charge... But that will not stop us from trying to settle them, even if it kills us. Now, all this talking has put me in the mood for a halfling-made pie... Just keep your hand on your coinpouch and an eye on the halfling and his mates while buying, eh?
>>62928733Old one, let me invite you too to a drink, but instead of a story I have a question about your people. As you can see I'm not a Dwarf like you and there is something I which is of grave importance to me: of a grudge has been written against my family and I wish to pay the victims for the troubles caused but I don't have enough gold ¿should I just pay what I have, promising to repair the rest of the grudge when I'm able? ¿Or would it be seen as an insult?
>>62928733where do you get these stories?
I saw Bolgorg at a grocery store in Karaz-a-Karak yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and waving his axe in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen cans of Bugman's in his hands without paying.The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.When she took one of the cans and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any grobi infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each can and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
>>62929012>grocery storebrewer's guild.>shoppinggrumbling>girlbeardling
>>62929060>scanning each iteminscribing/chiselling runes onto a stone tablet, I don't care how inefficient it is for groceries. Do dwarves use parchment and paper mills?
>>62927227>I dunno, it feels more...impactful than just they had sex once and then everything was good after that. If it has emotional weight, it's not just porn, right? Kind of fits somewhat with the tone of WFB too, the idea of two people desperately needing something to distract them from the encroaching darkness.I suppose, but I like were it lasts.
>>62927928Doesn't really seem like the Warhammer way.Maybe the Skaven blow up their warp-stone stockade and cause the battlefield to collapse killing everyone and saving the day!
Desu the total war skaven are growing on me now.>click on a grey seer>"greyest of seers"Cute!
>>62929470Pat the rats.
>>62928951A grudge against your family? Lad, you best hope it is simply a case of a forgotten beer tab and not something more serious... I'm afraid there is no single answer I can give you. However, if you've honest in your attempts to make amends, a honorable dwarf might see your situation and allow you the time you need... But be wary, for there are cases where one's ancestors have caused a grudge to be written and it has been their sons or grandsons who have had to compensate... Either in gold or in blood.>>62928979From all across the world, lad. I've met my share of manlings, dwarf and even a few elgi I didn't cut the ears off, all of whom have haid their stories to tell and sagas to share... And I've seen a few things in my days as well, but I'm not too keen in delving into my deeds...
>>62929508doing that with greatswords already.They are crack rats with wacky weapons.
>>62929470Total war did an excellent job with Warhammer
>>62929688High elves sound extremely smugDruchii sound bloodthirstyDoing the threeway war with teclis in south lustria is full on vietnam.
HEY DWARFS, NORSCA HEREGRUDGE THIS
>>62929709Doesn't Teclis also have to fight half the factions now?
>>62929728Yeah, it is a royal 4 way struggle there. I have driven the dork elves away from the coast and prepping to put an end to Lokhir fellheart. Meanwhile my naval force is building up to secure the waves with lothern mariners and keeping order in my main province.I love it. It is a full on clusterfuck.
>>62928680>>62928661Party is a shieldbreaker, journeyman bright wizard, and a priest of shallya. On their second career, 2 of them are relative newcomers to the setting. I've been playing pretty nice with them, because they're here to have fun and not die every 5 seconds.They're going to be going through a series of illusory scenarios to "vet" them as not being aligned with enemies of the local powers-that-be.I've already got the skaven scenario planned out, now I need some humans. A Witch Hunter, a senior bright wizard, a Gray Wizard assassin, and some flagellants.
Bretonnia rulea for 4e when? I want to play me a grail knight
>>62930289Wait for supplementsWhich will probably come in 34 years
>>62930289>int -50%>str +10%>agi +10%>comes with silly hat
>>62929843Doable. I should note that you're talking tier 3 career NPCs there, which can be very threatening.
>>62929688The voices are good but 90% of the lines are uninspired. Instead of yelling who and what they are, why not add some flavour? Mark of Chaos wasn't a great game but it had flavour out the ass when it came to each and every unit having something unique to say.
>>62930963Theyre not going to be coming at them.all at once, but noted.
>>62931032>DREADLORD, AWAITING COMMANDMUH DIK is diamondsI think they added more taunts and lines in the last update.
>>62931032they have other lines now>line of asur army marches while shouting "Asuryan's will be done"
>>62931032> Click on High Elf unit> 'LOYAL!'
>>62931142>Asuryan's will be doneI guess they'd better put Maliboi on the throne then.
>>62931142I suppose I haven't noticed any new lines yet since I just finished an Arkhan campaign where most of the lines are [ANGRY SKELETON NOISES].I was seriously disappointed by Bretonnia's voice lines. Not the stuff you hear while an army is sitting around or marching towards the enemy, but selecting knights that are all voiced by the same guy made me sad.
Got these in the mail. Pretty happy, even if some of the flash was a bit sus.I still need to acquire an appropriate halberd blade for the spearman, but these two will take my """"""army""""" of perry sculpts to 200 points. A nice little patrol to watch over the grey mountains with.
>>62929441As a huge fan of the Skaven, I would've loved it if they had somehow managed to fuck up the whole Chaos invasion by doing something that they thought would put them ahead. After all, they did pretty much save the world once already by fucking Nagash up at Fort Rikek before he could unleash his undead hordes numbering in the millions.GW should retcon The End Times and make Skaven the unlikely/unexpected saviours once again.
>>62931688This only if it's not their objective. >Skaven want to blow up Morrslieb because of the warpstone. >IT WORKS! And with so much warpstone the Skaven are more powerful than ever!>The sudden change in the Winds of Magix fucks all of the Demons back to their realm.>The Beastmen, who not only adore Morrslieb but also have some instinctual relationship with it, all turn crazy-no murder crazy, just crazy, so they disband and become useless in the invasion.>Archaon is so triggered that directly attacks the Skaven.>Skaven Treachery flourishes again, and they start betraying each other for the new warpstone.>When the Skaven hide below eart the Chaos Warriors of Khorne grow bored and attack other tribes, starting sort of a civil war.>When the Daemons return the invasion is so fucked they can't even recognize it. >In the chaos Malekith tries the fire trial again and Asuryan roasts him for good
>>62931782>>In the chaos Malekith tries the fire trial again and Asuryan roasts him for goodFuck you.
>>62931798Malekith does not deserve the throne.
>>62931902>deserve Who cares.
>>62931950Well then fuck you.
>>62931962You wish you filthy druchii tart.
>>62931782>>In the chaos Malekith tries the fire trial again and Asuryan roasts him for goodyes
>>62931902the point is not a bad idea, and has been massively misinterpreted. The idea was that when Malekith went into the fire first, he wanted to rule over everyone. In the ET, he went in wanting to save his race. That was the difference
>>62932173Does not override his crimes nor the fact he becoming Alarielle's fuckboi fixes nothing and only adds further division to the elves.
>crimesFuck it, next time I play TWW I will enslave Ulthuan and raze all shrines of ASSuryan. Pure conquest, no hogwash with Phoenix memes and shitty elective monarchy.
>>62932195True, but this is a continuation. I'll the Dark Elf and High Elf conflict shifting, with Malekith fighting Tyrion and Morathi, while rejecting the more brutal and evil things of the Dark Elves (Blood Altars, Dark Magic), while Tyrion becomes more corrupted by Khaine, and it reflects in his followers, who initially were doing it for "Fight Malekith" and become more and more berserk. Teclis tries to reason with his brother, gets stabbed and mortally wounded, and you have Khaine and Asuryan fighting through their proxies of Malekith and Tyrion.
>>62932268>end timesJust no, and I say this as Mally fan.
>>62932242how? 2 poor for twwh2, are Lizardbros op?
>>62932268>while rejecting the more brutal and evil things of the Dark ElvesHe embraced and bred them into his followers, this is his fault t begin with.
>>62932347All the Skaven units were at like 25-50% strength beforehand, for some reason I just got a really good autoresolve.Balance of power bar was massively in my favour as well.
>>62932268Sure Malekith unites the elves, but i dont like evil tyrion and I want tyrion and allarielle to fuck. So nah, malekith can stay evil if that's what it takes.
Man, curbstomping Lokhir with Teclis is so much fun.>nets him in place.>archers let loose with hundreds of arrows obliterating him and his naruto corsairs
>>62932468Fair enough, I would rather have Malekith x Mommy and tyrion x allarielle as my OPTs. Not that it matters because end times is shit.
>>62932455> spending half an hour chasing around constantly routing and rallying rats with a single lizard.No thanks.
I'd be more fine with Malekith uniting the elves if only there wasn't the huge retcon that he was always the rightful king and the loremasters, phoenix kings and everqueens were all liars.
>>62931782>>In the chaos Malekith tries the fire trial again and Asuryan roasts him for goodYes excellent. Rid the world of the lord of edgelords
>>62932560Also he deserves to be punished either while hes doing it or after he saves the world.
>>62932560I wouldn't mind but then I think you would also need to portray princes in a way Polish - Lithuanian Commonwealth magnates were.
>>62932268>while rejecting the more brutal and evil things of the Dark Elves (Blood Altars, Dark Magic)Those things were his idea, dumbass
>>62932580>inb4 out-of-context excerpt of Malekith enchanting a slave girl to be less terrified
>>62931032I, for one, love it when my PEASANT BOWMEN and KNIGHTS E-RANT yell who they are.Potato quality image because it got compressed on the way, but I have to admit how the game determines the tier of your victory. I mean, I lost a total of 9 Hippogriff knights compared to around 1400 Orcs and Goblins.>>62932497Nothing personnel Druchii
>>62932601Oh yeah, most definitely.
>/wfg/ is full of assur fagsreddit tier, desu
>>62932637>but I have to admit how the game determines the tier of your victoryI meant I have to admit that I really love how it determines that
>>62932651I'm a lizardlover, get it right jackass
>>62932719>lizardloverlol absolute reddit
>>62932719Vore me mazdamundaddy
>>62932864Bretons are way better elf lovers than Bretonnians.
>>62932864I prefer italicized knights. Or maybe underlined knights
>>62932912>>62932939STICK EM GOOD!
>>62932980Do you ever feel like being watched?
I actually like Malekith, but I wish for an event where Malekith dies and the druuchi fight for who would be the next Witch King and obviously the winner is Darkblade I actually made a game where the Witch King dies in his last invasion of Ulthuan and the players are the diferent drachau fighting for the throne. I'm very happy with its evolution.
>>62933054>but I wish for an event where Malekith diesI don't.
>>62933054>I wish for an event where Malekith dies and the druuchi fight for who would be the next Witch KingHe was gone for years. There was fighting. Kouran soloed all claimants and then waited for Mally to come back.
>>62933087Why not? He's a big whiny baby who couldn't handle not being wanted as king by God.
>>62933272That's why I love him.
>>62933293Morathi is that you
>>62933320Yes. I wish.
>>62933054More like an event where he just fucks off all of a sudden, after he finally realises that his revolution will never be successful.
>>62931782>Archaon gets so mad that the Chaos Gods prove themselves just as useless as Sigmar that he becomes Malal
>>62932173It's still bad that all the other Phoenix Kings were illegitimate. It's also bad that Asuryan never considered letting anyone other than Malekith be the Phoenix King, despite plenty of worthy applicants and the issue actually more often coming to a vote among the Elven nobles than divine right. Asuryan didn't make himself heard, didn't point out the actual candidate he wanted, and moreover, even Malekith himself didn't fully realize he didn't fail. The other Phoenix Kings passing through the flames safely had to be retconned to be cheating, because they used magic to protect themselves from the flames.Basically Asuryan is that GM. You know, the one who makes a puzzle room in a dungeon but only wants you to solve it one way, even when you cleverly figure out other solutions or the solution that he intended breaks.
>>62933934Gods are dicks, nothing new. Fuck them, raze his temples.
>>62932455I'm with him on this one though. Most battles are either really boring or actually kind of a pain to fight, with loading time and how long the battles themselves take, and how huge the armies involved are that makes it awkward to control and keep track of. I only don't autoresolve when actually winning hangs in the balance.That's not the feeling a Total War game should be giving me. Back in Medieval 2, I almost never autoresolved battles because they felt fun to fight most times.
>>62923463Does anyone have a 6th edition wood elves book that has the Waywatchers and non-lord Treelord army list entries and would be able to take pictures? My copy seems to be missing pages. thanks.
>>62934003well maybe you should stop being such a baby.
>>62934162Everything you need is in the pdf
>>62934216I mean the army list with points and unit options. It's not in my PDF from the mega.
>>62934255>Ghyran>realm of life>Sylvaneth>Kurnoth
>>62934255You're right, shit I never noticed that. Then again welves never interested me in the slightest.
Crosspostan', but here's my first night gob.
>>62934409Siege battles were tedious, still are desu.
>>62934475I see a bad moon rising.
>>62934476Yeah that was my point, but i didn't see the>felt fun to fight most times.part.
>>62934213But I play games to have fun. It's not fun to fight through a spammed army of zombies and skeleton warriors.
>>62934475Nice grob, would grudge against
>>62934476I feel like it's a bit of which you most prefer, considering how meh TWW's sieges are.
>>62934476>siege enemy settlement that outnumbers me>they sally to attack me>block them off with my one unit of spearmen in a porcupine formation while my two units of javalineers shot at the enemy>then charge them in the flank once the missiles were spent>winMedieval 2 was fun.
>>62934646Sally out battles were more fun, true, but street fighting was shit, units would get stuck sometimes and would fight till death in town center making it boring.
>>62934553its fun to cut down army after army of chaff with you leet soldaten sometimes. Or let the AI build up a bit.Med 2 was extremely easy to cheese as well.
>>62934553>Playing games to have funHaha, what are you, a normal, well-adjusted adult?Back to the topic...I am afraid of starting to paint the spiders because I'm not sure how to make them look good. Will propably rely on my true and tested technique of black undercoat with a heavy drybrush of *color*. It worked on my Dark elfdar and KhemriNecron Tomb King teams. Also I still need to paint some 80 or so Night Goblin Spearmen but I ran out of black spray.Also I'm really happy with Quickshade still. I just can't overstate how much I love it.
>CA named a random skaven name after Ian RoxboroughCute ratto
Reminder, unless you talking about Call of Warhammer mod, the only Total War that's welcome and has relevance to talk about is TWW.
>>62935381Go to /vg/ if you want to talk about video games, /tg/ stands for traditional games.
>>62935463t.Age of Sigmar cuck
>No posts in an hour>The new posts are about anons bitching about other anons enjoying discussions on Total WarStop being so salty, it's not like it's hurting anyone.On topic, the sad thing about this guy is that in 6th/7th edition I already have enough heroes. In 8th edition he's gonna be useless unless I get him a bodyguard of Squig Hoppers.In positive news, I can just use him as a Slasher in Kings of War instead.Speaking of which, I could get a fluffy batrep (because I'd be using KoW rules most likely so it'd be better to just write it out as a story) out by sunday with (some) unpainted models, or should I just wait until I've painted both the Goblins and Bretonnians for that?
>>62935771Wow...it's like most people are playing the DLC right now...
>>62935771Paint on the models makes tales come to life.Or you could use them unpainted and edit them to be greyscale so they look out of a book.
>>62936194I've played with unpainted models all my life, but yeah, if the general sentiment of /wfg/ is that painted models are needed, then I'll hold until I've painted forces.The worst part is that I already have the greatest narrative in mind but don't want to write it down before getting to play games for it
>MFW Based Chinaman is asking for GW prices
>>62935771More batreps is more gooder.
> be me> prepare a adventure for WFRP 4th, to teach newcomers about the game> start to delve in the under powered characters and how awesome they are> go listen to a HH audibook after, all the primarchs are overpowered, the concept bother me to hell> go back to the Old WorldI Love the Old World.
>>62938073Except half of them are dead.
>>62938822Iron Handjob, Batman, Alpharius, who else is actually dead and not just fucking off for whatever reason?
>>62939200batman might not actually be dead, but Horus and Sanguine are dead.
>>6293807340k has a problem of wanting to have its cake and eat it too - like, Space Marines are super powerful, above and beyond humanity, but half the time they also want them to human and very faliable. There's something that feels stupid when you have some of the most powerful beings in the galaxy having very petty squabbles, and acting stupid in a way that's only justified by making other characters stupider/more evil. It's like...the Greek gods, but instead of having the focus be on how their failings affect mortals, it's just all the Greek gods and their problems.I dunno, I'm like you in that things like that drive me back to the Warhammer world. Most of the larger than life heroes were still human, and even Grail Knights or Chaos Warriors are relatively rare and still fairly close to normal humans. More often than not the great heroes are normal mortals, skilled soldiers and trained wizards - or even just average people in the right place at the right time. Stuff that in 40k has become second-rate and second-line.
>>62939243Remember when Olanous Pious was retconned into a space marine, then a custode, then finally into a perpetual?That was fun.At this rate it'll turn out Marbo is secretely Pious or some other bullshit.
>>6293924340k forgot it was supposed to be funny, thats the problem
>>62939540That seems familiar somehow...
What happened between them, /tg/?
>>62939602Silliness doesn't make you cashmoney.Sure you can have your demon get smashes by a rock by a lizard called tic-tac-toe or you could say "here's doomshaft McPeniscompensator and he's the beast and a best and you should get him he's so op like your sonic oc and all edgy and cool also buy 12 of these models we sell them for $100 a pack of 3 and then you need our terrain, our paint, and our brushes of course".
>>62939696I almost had to stop reading at 'Nourgul the Wamphyro.' It just sounds so fucking silly.I don't know where the idea came from, but it kind of seems like Aborash made friends with just about everyone who could ever be conceived of as a great warrior across the Old World, assuming he didn't turn them into vampires. Folks like Gilles and shit.Then again, I know Myrmidia is a powerful enough goddess that she was able to blast a vampire who tried to take one of her sacred books. Maybe it's less that he actually knew Myrmidia, but he respects great warriors that he never managed to turn?
>>62939696Morr is very liberal with who his daughters "associate" with.
>>62939243True words, that's one of the reasons that makes me really like the setting,
>>62939710Not entirely sure what your saying, but i think i agree.
>>62939696Black Library is dumb, don't pay attention to any of it.
This is, huh, Waagh!
>>62940499WAAAGH NEVA CHANGEZ
Finished some plague bearers
>>62923463Redpill me on Sisters of Avelorn. Worth taking?
>>62941766They look pretty nice to me anon. Proper spooky sewn up heads.
>Percussion caps exist in Total Warhammer >Not only that, but they're available to a faction whose entire arsenal is just rusty and stolen Imperial shit How lore-breaking is this?
>>62942334Not, because TWW isn't canon.
>>62942334Percussion caps are mentioned in Brunner the Bounty Hunter, though those stories are fairly old. Dwarfs also have percussion cap technology, I believe.
>>62942334>a thin strip of metal pressed into a cup>filled with video gamey red barrel blow up juice>how lore brekin dis?You serious? Is there a faction that doesnt have some form of explosive?
third party endless party
>>62943220Only a few. You know, the Bretonnians, the Wood Elves, the High Elves, the Dark Elves, Warriors of Chaos, the Tomb Kings, Orcs and Goblins, the Vampire Counts, the Lizardmen...
>>62943710>Lizardmenthey have highly volatile leeches
The antepenultimate page of the Quarry comic in Warhammer Monthly 81 is duplicated, robbing us of the end.Does someone know of an alternate scan? Or has the physical issue that he could take a pic of?>>62929308Yes, the grudges books are made of paper or vellin.
>>62943710you're a man of little imagination
>>62929549Glad to see you back honorable longbeard. Forgive these youngling for asking but, would you tell us a tale of your exploits? I belive it would inspire us in the shieldwall
>>62943801Eh, the best I've found has been fanfiction.net and the old black library forums. Sometimes you get pastebins with short stories but it's a whole lot of luck finding anything good when searching whatever source you're using.
>>62940499HE HAZ TWO CHOPPAZ! HEZ CHOPPIER THAN DA OTHA BOYZ!
>>62943788I don't know what you mean by that. Those factions don't have any explosives as far as I know beyond maybe some magic, so...what, am I just supposed to pretend they have some sort of explosive the lore never mentions? Am I just supposed to make up one that seems fitting?There's a difference between different levels of pre-modern gun, and explosives vs. not explosives.
>>62943710Bret navy has guns, syldavian human troops under vampire control use guns like their imperial counterparts (not the zombies or skeletons, as even Harkon need a special artifact for that), Bugman's lament had pirate goblins with pistols, and Chaos warriors use CD cannons and explosive barrels for sieges.
>>62943884>Am I just supposed to make up one that seems fitting?well, yes, that's how it goes usually
>>62943884Well, the Bretons have a navy armed with cannon, the Welves have magic splodin’ arrows, Chaos have provision by chorves, vampires are on the border of/in a state of the empire, the rest take more imagination but runes, distilled fungal brews, volatile wildlife, and plain old trade can explain an awful lot.
>>62943849Somebody here was writing fanfic about delf and his witch elf waifu.
>>62943905Gun powder isn't the same as a shock-sensitive explosive needed for percussion caps. Or the industry needed for percussion caps to be common. We didn't invent them until after the time of Napoleon and the Empire is supposed to have centuries earlier guns than that.
>>62943905Dont forget the explosive mushroom juice in Bugmans Laments as well. 6th edition had some fun crazy stuff
>>62943934Except they live in a magical world where an entire order of magic is funded by the imperial state to create more advanced asplodey weapons.Percussion caps might just be something the Gold Order reinvented all on their own or something a dawi engineer living in the empire recreated because the grumblers in his hold don't like gunpowder.
>>62943934I don't see it as impossible for percussion caps to be made on a smaller basis, either by skilled engineers or in a cottage industry sense. It's not as if the idea of the percussion cap is extraordinarily complicated, and I could see it being invented by some bright Tilean or Estalian who went 'hmm what's a good way to carry a shot of gunpowder that won't get it wet or have to be measured out during a fight?' Or maybe they stole an idea from a dwarf and produced as many cheap copies as possible.Remember, we have examples of breach-loading wheellocks. It took a skilled craftsman to make them and a rich person to afford them, but they existed centuries before they became commonplace.
>>62943934This was an answer to " Is there a faction that doesnt have some form of explosive?" and I only explored the mundane options, not the magical or alchemical ones.But on the topic of percussion caps, this is a setting where robot horses and high magic exist and where technological advancement is all over the place (like how dwarf cannons have cylindro-conical shells with fuzes yet are muzzle-loaded). There is no overwhelming reason for anyone to be barred access to them. Just say that Leonardo da Miragliano or some mercenary archmage made those caps.
>>62944022breech loaders will be part of their assembly line 200 years down the line.
>>62944022>This was an answer to " Is there a faction that doesnt have some form of explosive?"That anon was very obviously not referring to mere gunpowder or other things that can explode after being lit on fire.>There is no overwhelming reason for anyone to be barred access to them.Yes there is. Large scale percussion cap production completely changes economics of warfare and thus the tactics.>>62943956>>62943972Percussion caps could be made in low volumes but the implication from the original post was them being common in Empire tech. Which would put Empire industry and firearms technology centuries ahead of where it has been traditionally depicted. If the Empire can afford to mass produce percussion caps it can afford to equip every spearman/halberdier with a musket and we end up with Napoleonic warfare.
>>62944052>we end up with Napoleonic warfare.Not necesserily; I mean, Napoleon era europeans didn't have to deal with magic and mythical monsters and shit...
>>62943972Not that anon, but somehow it feels more likely that it was thrown in because they don't know or care much about how historical firearms developed and the implications of this or that technology.Casually dropping 1800s tech into a vaguely 1500s-era setting with no explanation is a bit jarring and clashes with the established Empire aesthetic that features guns prominiently. It's not the worst anachronism and ever more fantasytech crept in over the editions but it's still a backwards justification for a videogame powerup . primitive and finicky blackpowder caps could be a neat Engineer's or nobles toy, but renaissance guns should still be overwhelmingly dominant
>>62944077You do realise that the pirate aesthetic is far more colonial times with the tricorne hat verywhere and lack of armour on most of the units?
>>62943972>what's a good way to carry a shot of gunpowder that won't get it wet or have to be measured out during a fightSeizing the occasion to be an historical pedant:This was only an issue for the very early artillery pieces (the other common issue being setting fire to your powder supply with the embers used for firing). Individual guns appeared alongside appropriate containers.Most shooters went into battle with a baldrick full of individual powder charges in wood vials (as for bullets, you just kept a mouthful of those and spat one when you needed to reload). Powder flasks and bullet pouches were for reloading between battles.Proper cartridge boxes became widespread in the 17th century.Waxed paper cartridge also existed since the 14th century.
>>62944070>Not necesserily; I mean, Napoleon era europeans didn't have to deal with magic and mythical monsters and shit...Yes, necessarily. If you need to stab something then you stick a big fuck off bayonet on the end of a musket and then it is just as good as a spear. Maybe they'd keep some halberdiers and greatswords around for monsters that need chopping.>>62944095The pirate aesthetic is classic Age of Sail, which is still before percussion caps. The Vampire Coast is still also supposed to be using standard Old World weapons no matter their aesthetic.
>>62944052Says who? The Empire can barely afford to give enough handguns to bulk out the waves of cheaper bows and crossbows. Even if some had caps, or were using matchlocks or wheellocks, it's all so individual and up to what each Elector Count can afford or wants to use, it's not going to automatically mean line warfare. This is fantasy, not history. Why do you think they developed the tactics and weapons they did? You can't pretend it happened just because a certain point in the timeline was reached.
>>62944052>Large scale percussion cap production completely changes economics of warfare and thus the tactics.First thing, no, and especially not in warhammer. Are you confusing percussion caps with cartridge primers?Second, who implied large scale production in this thread?
>>62943710Orcs and Goblins have volatile and explosive squigs.
>>62944110It still would kind of suck to not really be able to reload once you're in the thick of it. As part of a line of shooters, sure, you can take the time to reload with a ramrod and all, but when using a pistol during a boarding action? Carry four or enjoy having only one shot!Also I am having an incredible sense of deja vu.
>>62944187>or enjoy having only one shot!Well, yeah. That's why boarders carry axes, swords and daggers.
>>62944140>You can't pretend it happened just because a certain point in the timeline was reached.No, I'm saying that if percussion cap weapons are common than the industry required could also produce enough muskets that the bulk of state troops would be equipped with them.Technology deployment is a result of industrial development not mere invention. You could make a metal cased cartridge breech loading rifle with medieval technology but they'd be so expensive that they couldn't be mass produced.>>62944152>Are you confusing percussion caps with cartridge primers?No.>Second, who implied large scale production in this thread?The original post on this topic and one of the replies.
> TWW is not canonThere, I fixed the whole problem in traditional /wfg/ style.
>>62944207It's not the destination, but the journey that matters anon
>>62944207my headcanon > "canon" > your headcanon
>>62944077Yeah, WHFB is all about pike and shot warfare and will crumble at the merest mention of post-renaissance tech.>>62944195>if percussion cap weapons are common then the industry required could also produce enough muskets that the bulk of state troops would be equipped with themYeah, because ressource scarcity is never a thing, and the industrial base needed to produce percussion caps and barrels are exaclty the same.The empire is swimming in matchlocks right now, after all.
>>62944187>Carry four or enjoy having only one shot!Which is exactly what they did. A brace of pistols was carried to allow for two shots in the midst of combat, followed by switching to a melee weapon.
>>62944195Being common does not mean mass production. Do you think the swords and armor of the old world are mass produced as we think of it? It's not as if the American revolutionaries could get a standard issue flintlock rifle - it was all cottage industries, individual gunsmiths and inherited rifles.
>>62944230>Yeah, because ressource scarcity is never a thingNo shit. But the resources needed to make a musket (steel/bronze and wood) are not as rare as those needed to make percussion caps.>and the industrial base needed to produce percussion caps and barrels are exaclty the same.We aren't talking about specialist machines but about the number of skill craftsmen. Which is dependent upon general industrial development.>The empire is swimming in matchlocks right now, after all.Yes, which is exactly why the idea that the Empire mass produces percussion caps is bad lore.TWW has the same issue as modern GW in that the writers lack the historical education that enabled the original writers of Warhammer to make a parody of history that still felt grounded.
>>62944265>It's not as if the American revolutionaries could get a standard issue flintlock rifle - it was all cottage industries, individual gunsmiths and inherited rifles.Funnily enough the same stood true for the British empire. Brown Bess muskets were produced from parts made in over 100 small, scattered individual workshops (incidentally, this is known as the "domestic" or "putting-out" system). People often like to imagine 18th and even early 19th century production as far more organized, systematic and large-scale than it ever was.
>>62944265You proved my point. Even a hick backwater like America could equip its soldiers with muskets and rifles nearly a century before we could mass produce percussion caps.
>>62944278The British built aircraft in WWII in small individual workshops. Doesn't mean that isn't "mass production".
>>62943931>I stabbed her in the name of asserting my dominance. She stabbed me in the name of Khaine. We both were executed by Malekith for plotting to usurp him.
>>62944358it wouldnt be realistic dark elves otherwise
>>62944291I don't see what that proves. You don't need mass production to have something be relatively common, most of those gunsmiths were working by hand with tools not far off from what their ancestors used. Industry only needs to get so far.
>>62944311It is not just a question of quantity, there is a qualitative difference between procurement from cottage industries on a large scale and, say, the shadow factories, which were directly coordinated by the air ministry.
>>62944363You mean it would be less exaggerated dark elves. WH could use some of that more often.
>>62944377if you take the Chaotic Stupid Evil out of the dork elves, what are you left with? its the only characterization they have
>>62944384Keep your alignment shit away from me. I just want interesting fics without stupid exaggerations. You don't need to reduce character behavior to grimdank memes.
>>62944397>grimdank memes.Thats ALL DARK ELVES ARE tho
>>62944416If you exaggerate them. They can still be cruel slavers and occasional backstabbers but you can always portray them more complex, sometime loving and loyal. You know, not reduced to memes.
>>62944428The entirety of Warhammer Fantasy factions is memes
>>62944450True, and it works for tabletop format, but for fanfics I prefer something less exaggerated.
>>62944428>sometime loving and loyal.>Malekith: WEAK Asur garbage!
>>62944428Tullaris & Hellebron is the closest you get to this.>how much did they offer you to kill me dude>>just control of the Cult of Khaine>why didn't you do it you fucking loser
>>62944466>>62944487Oh whatever, I know what I want. Cold Blooded Killers in vanilla romance.
>>62944497I want that too, along with all the stupid tropes (There was only one bed etc)I just dont think warhammer is a place where it can go
>>62944509>I just dont think warhammer is a place where it can goI don't see why not, it's fanfics anyway. Why limit yourself to GW's autism.
>>62944497>The two lovebirds are promptly killed by Morathi for being cuter than her around Malekith
>>62944524>Why limit yourself to GW's autism.you know what. Thats a sentiment I can respect. You go, romantic. Find your bliss.
Reminder that unless a hit would reduce someone to -TB wounds in WFRP 4e all Critical Wounds are rolled with -20 on the result.
>>62943841Aye, you're going to war, young one? I would be no dwarf were I to deny such a request or ask a brew from a dawi about to march into war... I will tell you your story, from the days when I was a young warrior such as yourself. In return, once you return, I ask of you to tell you the story of your campaign, and we will share a brew as fellow warriors, eh?A story of my exploits, eh... Well, there's one tale I think would fit for a beardling such as yourself. This is no saga nor legend, lad. I'll tell the tale as I remember it, all those years ago... Aye, the tale of the defense of Frukund's gold.
>>62944497Extremely stupid but not lizardmen romance tier stupid
>>62944497I agree anon.
Y'all delf fags should read Malus Darkblade to get an idea on how to write Delves so that they are both memetic and in accordance to the whole backstabbery thing but also somewhat likeable and interesting.
>>62944758>stupidno u>>62944769I'm glad I'm not the only one. >>62944777>novels ehh...
>>62944793>Want to write shitty Fanfiction>Doesn't want to get inspiration from ACTUAL Warhammer books instead of making something that has absolutely nothing to do with actual dark elves
>>62944826I'm not saying that they all are bad or something, but novels can have GW autism too while armybooks at least give you room for interpretation.
>>62944850>GW autismNegroid they fucking made those factions
>>62944861They also made End Times and AoS.
>>62944866Which is garbage associated with late GWYou're essentially shittin on the good stuff they made which is the reason you're in this general because it clashes with your autistic head canonWanna have lovey doey dark elves? Make your own setting
>>62944268>But the resources needed to make a musket (steel/bronze and wood) are not as rare as those needed to make percussion capsPre-industrialization you needed 30 kgs of decent quality steel to make a 3kg rifle barrel.To make a percussion cap you need any kind of shitty solid material to serve as a plate and a grain of potassium chlorate or mercury fulminate. Both of which rely on ingredients that were decently available in the middle ages (like alcohol and salpeter), and frankly easy to synthetize. And btw, if you can make blackpowder, you already have the ingredients and gear needed to make percussion explosives.On the other hand, metal was uncommon to very scarce in central and eastern Europe, and the Empire seems to have far more alchemists than metal mines.Stop speaking out of assumptions that can be quikly researched and dismissed.Chemistry isn't some rare and novel science compared to metallurgy. The middle-ages needed their medecine, alcoholic beverages, pigments...You're focusing on 1% of the total product and ignoring the rest. The theory that percussion caps would somehow make muskets common is ludicrous. You'll run of musket way before running out of caps.> the writers lack the historical educationAgreed, but how the irony
>>62944915My point was that made by GW =/= good, even if it's "canon". As for "good" stuff, I like to mix and match stuff from new and old editions for example. I just refuse to have my druchii as exaggerated backstabbers and I want some romance thrown in there, that's about it.
>>62944428The malus darkblade comic is great for that. Though Malus himself is an asshole, some of the other dark elves are very honourable, for knife ears.
>>62944971Yeah, I think I remember liking parts of those.
>>62944230Robot horse is pushing it a bit for me, the rest are fine though.
As much as I like WFRP 4ed its version of magic seems not thought through.Wizards standing still for multiple rounds in battle to cast average spell?Spells with almost the same effects and CNs?Necromancy has 4 (four) spells in handbook, and two of them are in pic related. It's literally the same spell (including CN) but Reanimate summons more undead. What the fuck?
>>62944957Not him. Match and mix all you want but you will not find any lore that supports you in any edition. So screw off with your headcanon.
>>62945026Or consider these two spells - who in their right mind would spend 100XP (or multiple of that more likely, since its powerfull and you won't really cast it early in game) on Caress of Laniph if you can get Steal Life thats basically the same thing but better (except those extremely rare cases where you fight NPC with tones of Toughness, but even then remember you have to pass a Melee test to touch it)
>>62944052Given that we're talking about a setting that has fucking tanks and helicopters, I find your hangups on percussion caps hilarious.
>>62945027All I need is armybooks who leave blank spaces to fill out and occasionally throw in some other material there. >So screw offno u
Stop trying to give historical sense to a fantasy setting you fucking autists.It's fantasy with swords and armors
>>62945026>>62945065The wording implies that Reanimate has to have corpses, fleshy or skeletal, in the area in order to work. Raise Dead does not.
>>62945079Nope. You have nothing but headcanon with at best unsupported and at worst goes against established fluff like your love business. So indeed screw off. Nobody cares about your headcanon. It's rude to try to force it on people.
>>62945079By this logic Nagash carried puppies with him in battle since nowhere in the army book is it stated that he didin't
>>62945099It doesn't say that explicitly (2 ed it was pointed) and both spells can raise skeletons from old bones. Even if your interpretation was right they still could replace Raise Dead with spell with actually another effect, especially considering very limited number of spells on that list.
>>62945110I'm pretty sure druchii can fall in love, as per those Malus novels for example, so I don't see why I can't have romance stuff. And I ain't forcing anything on anyone either. >>62945124If you want to do RPG session based on mythical puppies of Nagash feel free to do so.
>>62945138Falling in love and acting like retards holding hands in the sunset are two different things
>>62945026I forgot to mention inconsistent capitalizing of undead/Undead, but fuck it.I think person who wrote magic rules is simply retarded
>>62945138>I'm pretty sure druchii can fall in love, as per those Malus novels for example,I don't think so. You seem to be dishonest enough to lie so most likely you took rapey lust for love.
>>62944384>if you take the Chaotic Stupid Evil out of the dork elves, what are you left with?The Malus Darkblade stories show they're not skaven-tier socially.
>>62945150That's just autistic, as if it's inconceivable for them to show some affection. >>62945156I mean their love is probably more lustful and possessive, sure, but I don't see why they couldn't still feel love. Anyway,I hope that writefriend writes more romance stuff.
I'll write a fic where a dwarf and an elf strike an improbable and sincere friendship and set the first stone for their two cultures of becoming staunch allies again
>>62945202>That's just autistic, as if it's inconceivable for them to show some affectionThey're dark elves, you know, the civilization made of murderers who worship the god of shanking
>>62945224I would read it.
>>62945224The Lord of the Rings already exists
>>62945230They can murder slaves for all I care. Also, that's like saying ancient civilizations and peoples who practiced human sacrifices, cannibalism were incapable of love and affection.
>>62945202>That's just autistic, as if it's inconceivable for them to show some affection.They're dark elves, you know, the civilization made of murderers who worship the god of shanking
>>62945266>They can murder slaves for all I careBut they don't exclusively murder slaves, they stab the fuck out of eachother regularly
>>62945292As did the Romans
>>62945313They didn't have a religion made out of it
>>62934475nice gobjob, love the robes. now base him! and maybe do some highlights on the wood part of the spear, and when you're on it, teach me how to highlight sticks.
>>62943905>Bret navy has guns Outdated fluff.>syldavian human troops under vampire control use guns like their imperial counterpartsThey don't. >Bugman's lament had pirate goblins with pistolsIt had one special character with a pistol.>and Chaos warriors use CD cannons and explosive barrels for sieges.I don't think Hellcannons use explosives, they're alive and daemon powered.
>>62945292Sure, point still stand though. And also, that's why I also tend to ignore this exaggeration and think that while backstabbing happens it's not as prevalent and with that druchii society can function.
>>62944022>this is a setting where robot horsesWhy do people still say that the 7th edition was closer to the 6th edition than the 8th edition designwise?
>>62943710>TKexploding, screaming live skulls that are on fire.>Lizardmeneffin precursor artifacts don't count?
>>62945192There's one night every year when Witch Elves just go around killing everyone.
>>62945364Maybe because the clockwork steed was an 8th edition thing and not a 7th one?
>>62945356>and with that druchii society can function.but it can't. Like, thats the whole thing about the dark elves: without malekith there to point everyone in the direction of "We will TAKE Ulthuan, Khaine Vult" they'd collapse. I mean, even their continued existence after millennia of trying and failing to genocide the asur has to be handwaved with the losses they take.
>>62945418Anyone who can't bribe their way out. So mostly commoners, druchii too poor to offer up enough slaves, and those who can't fight back.It's literally a matter of fact in the Malus stories that dark elves feel romantic love (and can be ferociously loyal over it) and selfless affection (like Malus and Hauclir when Malus ultimately risks his soul for the dude).
The very existence of the dark elves is meant to be a militarised society directed at conquering Ulthuan- thats why they use slaves for everything, so every drucchi can fight instead of being a craftsman or a farmer or some other civilian. Loving someone like some *Asur* would be showing weakness, and therefore verboten by societal rules.
>>62945433I get what you're saying, but that silliness with "there is always enough" in terms of population and the rest is what keeps making me ignore some of the lore. And as it stands it has kept functioning so I assume murder thing is exaggerated.
>>62945478>I ignore this lore, therefore I can ignore this OTHER lorethe true GW experience
>>62945460>So mostly commoners,there are no commoners, there are only druchii nobles and slaves
>TWW Ulthuan is unpleasant for Empire but Nehekhara desert with poisonous water is as habitable as Empire provinces.
>>62945486What can I say, not my fault that some of the lore is contradictory or not clearly stated.
>>62945498>"Yeah it may be hot dry and bloody all the time but at least it aint full of *elves*"
>>62943697Nice but I want an easier way to get the bread and butter of the army.
>>62945506>not clearly stated>The murder thing must be exaggerated>"Death Night is a time that happens once a year, where the Witch Elves descend on the streets of their cities in unbridled celebration of their bloody lord. This event is a time of terror for all in Naggaroth. The boulevards and alleys echo with manic drumming and shrill pipes, while thick clouds of blood-red incense drift around twisted mansions. Through the smoke prowl roving bands of Witch Elves, murder in their hearts. Under the direction of their Hag Queens they steal away any Dark Elves they find, often breaking into houses to drag the inhabitants to their bloody altars.">The murder thing is probably exaggerated
>>62945525It just one night desu, and it's done by witch elves.
>>62945535one night a year where they just kill everyone
>>62945460Anyone could be a victim. And those that aren't will sacrifice a relative as a thanks to Khaine.
>>62945478Dark elves are depraved as shit and it's safe to say that they breed a lot more than other elves so they can keep up their numbersJust make your own setting if you don't like dark elves
>>62945556>I assume the backstabbing thing is exaggerated
>>62945568But I like them for the most part, I just don't like some snippets of lore there and here. >>62945570>>62945556>usually a slaveMy point still stands.
>>62945568so youre saying that elves, who even with your headcanon faster breeding, can still breed fast enough to have a continent invading army once every decade that then gets demolished by the asur. When once a year, they kill like a quarter of their own population for the lulz.
>>62945582>I just don't like some snippets of lore there and here. Their backstabbing murderous nature is literally their primary attribute. You are trying g to take away their primary attribute. As the man said, go play some other game and stop trying to make Warhammer Dark Elves into pussies.
>>62945568>Dark elves are stupid edgelords who only still exist because GW gave them plot armorFTFY
>>62945596>pussies>man just wants some healthy cooperationwhat are you, 12?
>>62945596I never said that they never backstab or murder tho, just that I think they don't do it as often as you might think.
>>62945588Lizardmen and dwarfs are supposed to be few in numbers and yet they can field entire armies to the slaughterAlso I doubt the witch elves can manage to murder anyone that isn't a useless retard who didn't manage to defend himself in his house
new thread >>62945615>>62945615>>62945615
>>62945600Ok then, go wank yourself to some isekai elf shit since you clearly let us understand that you don't like dark elves
>>62945609He wants them to hold hands along the shoreline while whispering their love to eachother while Lohkir calls them faggots from his black ark
>>62945667I want them flaying some assur /wfg/ fags and whispering love to each other, that's what I want.
>>62945609The entire reason their faction exists is because they couldn't engage in healthy cooperation, retard. The best you get is UNhealthy cooperation, with lots of backstabbing and murder as directed by their religion and their king.
>>62945609There is healthy cooperation, it's just rare and stands out because of thatThe fellheart family for example are pretty chill on the whole backstab thing
>>62945775>The entire reason their faction exists is because they couldn't engage in healthy cooperationNot really.
>>62945917>"Hey guys, looks like Malekith isn't going to be the king after all. Maybe we should accept that in the name of healthy cooperati-BWAAAHAHAHA, couldn't keep a straight face. Gear up for backstabby murdering, boyos."
>>62946083>remained loyal to their liege lordbased
>>62946108their liege lord was the phoenix king. Who wasnt Malekith.
>>62946144No, that liege lord is prince of Nagarythe, which is/was Malekith.
>>62946172>>62946144>Absolutism vs feudalism in 2018
>>62942330>Um try again sweetie
>>62945498Around elvesthe air smells
>>62944756The defense of Frukund's gold?