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So, Men of Iron figures are a thing.
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https://warhammer40000.com/blackstone-fortress/
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Good design, but a bit disappointing compared to their incarnation in that one short comic. But it's also probably had about 15,000 years of modifications so whatever.
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>>62926150
This one is specifically pretending to be an imperial design, it might even be a shell hiding crazy ass tech designs unlike anything the imperium has
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>>62926093
That rubbish on the street should be cleaned up, before someone steps in it.
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>>62926093
>machine that almost erased humanity at its peak
>looks like a punch card driven kastelan
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>>62926212
It's intentionally disguising itself as a totally not heretechnicasl kastellan lookalike.
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>>62926212
Thw warhammer devs generally make stuff hailing from the dark age of tech these days to have a retro sci-fi look of sorts, trying to harken it to a nostalgic time as a motif
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>>62926212
Painted like a broken down Gulf racing car no less.
Somehow not the most menacing color scheme.
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>>62926253
Well starting with paint schemes what would you go for?
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>>62926212
>40k is perpetually trapped in the aesthetics of the 80's
>thinking the ye olde badde manne would have any design other than retro atomic scifi
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>>62926260
For a scary hostile robot? A lot of cold metallic colors, glowing red eyes, maybe matte black for a high tech stealth look. I certainly wouldn't paint it like 80's Gulf motorsports.
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>>62926093
Is that a lowrez aquila on it?
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>>62926306
So...
You're saying it is painted just like a scary hostile robot that doesn't want people to know it is a scary hostile robot should be?

Because that is what it is.
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>>62926348
What are you talking about?
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Fucking stupid.

It was already a massive mistake to try to turn an era of myth and lost knowledge into a factual recount of historic events a la Horus Heresy (let alone to do a shit job of it).

It is even more of a mistake to demythologise the period before that, which is interesting wholly and solely because it is an open-ended contrast whole sole context is that the people alive in a miserable universe think back then was even worse.

Even if it wasn't a stupid fuck mistake to make Men of Iron models at all, they should at least look like something out of an Alastair Reynolds novel so that they can represent an impossible height to guess at and elevate humanity's past glories to throw its current failures into sharper relief.
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>>62926093
honestly looks great
only complaint is that the gun looks kind of generic-40k compared to the other parts
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>>62926253
Reminds me more of pic related.

>"Beep boop, kill hereteks, boop beep."
>"Danger, Magos, danger!"
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>>62926374
>Alastair Reynolds
Who?
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>>62926269
>>62926245
Bit of a mistake I feel, sci-fi has evolved, the spindel drones are a great example of what they can so out of the beaten path, the men of iron went full get and beyond, evolving well beyond what even their makers were capable of in its golden age, a surviving man of iron should not be able to pretend to be imperial in design, let alone have a need to
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>>62926093
tau and admech had a kid
sad
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>>62926417
>spindle drones
>off the beaten path
>he doesnt know
Holy shit. You're so dumb you dont even know how dumb you are. The spindle drones took inspiration from the same era of scifi as the fucking robot. The fact that you are calling the tripods an "evolved" image of scifi when it was ripped wholesale from war of the worlds is beyond hilarious.
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>>62926374
Horus Heresy was a mistake.
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>>62926386

A moderately popular science fiction dude. His stuff is not the point so much as he has a way of writing he fancy ubertech to it feels like super-advanced technology with still a hint of the mechanical about it, instead of being just 'lol nanotech'. Exactly advanced enough that you can only just get an idea of what it is and how it might work, not 'your stuff but better' or 'might as well be magic'. And occasional elements of ultrahypertechnology like someone flying around in a spaceship with a personal cache of superweapons they found that are so stupidly powerful that when she figured out how to fire one she never did figure out what it actually did to that moon.
Actually I suppose his shit is slightly relevant. It fits because the technology levels he writes have a whole 'drastically varying technology levels' thing and his main setting is after someone accidentally gave all the fancy nanotech bullshit a virus that is also a human virus so there are entire orders of magnitude of how lost the lost technology is. That's not entirely relevant though.

Writing is decent if you care to check it out. Never ever read a sequel he writes. His standalones and first-of-series books are solid, but every sequel he writes is categorically shittier than the book before it. The one series he got four books into got so fucking bad I just stopped reading the last one.
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>>62926093
Can anyone else almost hear it screeching "Danger! Danger Roboute Guilliman!"
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>>62926093
They could have taken the Men of Iron into any creative direction they wanted and they chose to make them bog-standard retro-futurist clunker.
The machines that very nearly brought down humanity in an absolutly apocalyptic conflict and they use a design that is so boring and uninspired that I fall asleep just looking at it.
And it's far and away the ugliest miniature in Blackstone Fortress.
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>>62926306
You would be correct, but! The elephant in the room is that Necrons already fill that niche of scary hostile cold metallic robots. Necrons design is directly taken from Terminator and the Terminator plot is inspiration for the Men of Iron. There are some overlapping layers.
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>>62926358

He's talking about the backstory for it. It's pretending not to be a man of iron, instead attempting to look like another Imperial Robot. So the fact that it's not looking intimidating is kinda the point, as it's trying not to trigger 'It's an abomination, shoot it!'
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>>62926764
You would be correct, but! The elephant in the room is that Chaos Androids already fill that niche of scary hostile cold metallic robots. Chaos Android design is directly taken from Terminator and the Terminator plot is inspiration for the Necrons. There are some overlapping layers.
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>>62926093
I understand the hype for an iconic and obscure piece of 40k history, but holy fuck it needs some bettter design becaus that looks like an bland and boring 80's scifi book cover.
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>>62926764
My answere would be arc welding, the men of iron are based on schematics found on necron ruins, amd this led to
A backdoor for one of the rogue c'tan shards being able to set them off
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I’m surprised they just came out and said he was a man of iron. I expected clues and hints within the game to reveal that.
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>>62926093
Truly terrifying.
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>>62926831
Sometimes they just make it too obvious, I had a feeling it was just pretending to be controlled but I thought it was going to be like the weird wandering kastelans that showed up in the lore
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>>62926820

Eh, I'd lean more 60s than 80s.
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>>62926093
Yeah, pretty rad, though it may not be the full-bore top-tier Man Of Iron - and I think being AI they're exponentially more dangerous the more there are
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>>62926912

It seems like from the fluff he's a small fragment of what they were. The most basic and simple, which is why he managed to get away when the men of iron were destroyed.
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>>62926831
GW's making this big deal about the ending and new lore being revealed in the game but they couldn't keep from blowing their load with an explorer's secret.
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>>62926093
why does 40k keep spoiling the mystery
everything has to be explained now with no room for imagination
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>>62926945
Writers like to pull the thread when adding to a long established setting, it's easy to think the answere more appealing then eternal mystery, afterall questions exist to be answered right? Right?
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>>62926093
That armour literally looks like a shell so who knows what wonders lie beneath
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>>62926093
>From the mysterious DAoT when humanities technology was at it's absolute peak
>Took part in a falactic scale war with weapons so powerful and collateral damage so absolutely Devistating that it made the HH look like a disagreement Between children on the playground
>Has a strictly worse assault cannon and a strictly worse power fist
You can't make this shit up
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>>62926968
Is it Ferrus?
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Not cool spindle drone with unique ability where they get stronger the less there is.

Spindle drone chad
>> New design aesthetic everyone loves despite first model
>> looks strange and non human or alien like a futuristic machine would
>> Unique and interesting rules we haven’t seen before
>> Instantly recognized as a xenos with its iconic design
>> Had one men-me image a,ready and us widely accepted
>> Inspired by based war of the worlds

Man of Iron Virgin.
>> Hotly awaited faction from the important background and is still mistaken as ad mech bot.
>> I merely pretended to be retarded meme
>> Forgetable look and stats. People only care about the lore implications and not the model
>> Not widely loved as spindle drones despite having a unique name to their generic one.
>> Ashamed to be seen so tries to hide self
>> Loses to spindle drone in a fight despite costing way more
>> Has said to look like 3 distinct things not confidence in his own lore descriptions.
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>>62926477
Bah bah Baaaaah.
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>>62926093
You know, I always thought Men of Iron to be a cross between mechanicus, necron and dark eldar models. This is a bit of a let down.
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>>62927013
I want to get 2-3 drones and a BFG imperial escort, and make a small diorama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb4BWSUV8mM
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>>62927043
I want a full army with giant war walkers of doom.
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>>62927032
One can hope if it does lead to a wider range it's cohorts will look more interesting, personally old ones remnants with spindle drones as a starting point feel more promising, remember how Tzaangors were first added in silver tower?
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>>62926093
>MoI were so fucking powerful they almost defeated Dark Age Humanity. A species with tech and weapons so powerful that even the Eldar/Necrons would blush
>This one has a fucking autocannon
Jesus Christ nu-GW writing team is garbage.
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>>62927068
don't worry, that one was just an old person's home robot, the autocannon was just to make sure they obeyed curfew
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>>62926526
Best post
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>>62926856
>>62926912
There's probably different types of Men of Iron. It's a big galaxy and that shit was probably never standardized, but rather a term referring to a general class of half remembered enemy, some of which weren't actually hostile.
I also really like the implication that legendary shit like Men of Iron show up from time to time, but that people don't realize that that's what it is. It's a nice moment of lost knowledge. Everyone would freak out if they knew wandering Kastellans were Men of Iron, it would call the dogma of the Mechanicum into question that they aren't hostile, it would shake their universe, but they don't get it because they don't really even know what a man of iron is.
It's sad, really.
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>>62927068
It has lesser weapons equipped to blend in.
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>>62926093
>>62927233
Sort of reminds me of the ABC Warriors from 2000 AD. Very nice.
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>>62927068
>A species with tech and weapons so powerful that even the Eldar/Necrons would blush
This is wrong.
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>>62927347
You saying that DAoT nerds didn't have a way of at least making eldar blush?
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>>62927362
The Aeldari barely noticed the existence of the warring DAOT nations.
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>>62927347
>DAoT humans had
>Black Hole Guns
>Giant Sun Eating space ships
>Etc.
You are wrong
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>>62927401
>yet used predators as their MBTs
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>>62927381
That's because the Eldar were arrogant hedonistic assholes too busy fucking Slanessh into existence to worry about the new rising Superpower that was Dark Age humanity.
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>>62926987
Hi power fist is literally the same as a normal one you dummy
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>>62927407
Now THAT is wrong
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>>62927438
That's FW lore.
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>>62927068
>A species with tech and weapons so powerful that even the Eldar/Necrons would blush

Bullshit. D/GAoT humans still never even came close to Eldar or Necrons currently, much less at their height.

D/GAoT humans still relied on calculated warp-travel and Navigators. Eldar/Necrons had the webway/FTL spacecraft.

If D/GAoT humans had been so powerful, why was the galaxy effectively ruled by the Eldar during that entire period? "The Fall of the Eldar" and birth of Slaanesh which marked the collapse of the Aeldari Empire was what blew away the warp storms that allowed The Emperor to launch his Great Crusade.

Fans seem to forget that, but all of Mankind's supposedly golden period of enlightenment and progress was basically done in the shadow of the Eldar who were busy getting high and let the riff raff species be...
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>>62927438
>t. "baneblade was a light tonk"
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>>62927401
>You are wrong

>Eldar could extinguish suns with a THOUGHT at their height. Necrons, their broken remains in the 41st millennium, can exterminate stars and send them supernova by playing with a star map.

It's a subtle but important difference.
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>>62927473
>Eldar could extinguish suns with a THOUGHT at their height.
Yeah no.
>Necrons, their broken remains in the 41st millennium, can exterminate stars and send them supernova by playing with a star map.
No I'm not up to date on the lore, but A) the necrons aren't broken remains, they're just waking up and B) pretty sure that's only one place.
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>>62926269
>40k is perpetually trapped in the aesthetics of the 80's
Ah, I love strolling past all those gothic churches built in the 80's.
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>>62927497
>A) the necrons aren't broken remains

... they've woken up to find a good percentage of their tomb worlds raided, waking up in varying stages, disordered and fighting with each and no single leader... are you really trying to suggest they're more powerful now than when they went to sleep?
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>>62927497
Not him

>the necrons aren't broken remains

Yes, they are. The Great Sleep devastated the Necron Empire and left it a shattered shadow of its former self.

Those walking up are degraded in mind and are mad.

>pretty sure that's only one place.

There are more. Like a relic technology called the Breath of Gods which is a star system forging tool that the Necrons planned to use to forge new galaxies.
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>>62927414
There was also no need to worry.
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>>62926764
>>62926819
>men of iron were inspired by Terminator
Dune you fucking brainlets jesus christ
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>>62927401
>>Giant Sun Eating space ships
Even Craftworld Eldar can do that. Dark Eldar gift each other black holes in a box as a joke.
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>>62926093
I thought the Men of Iron were a thing from the end of the Age of Technology, a period in Humanity that was nearly equal to the Eldar in ingenious tech, before the Dark Age collapse. So why does that MoI have a rotary Gatling for an arm? Shouldn't it at the very least have fancy Archeotech like the shit that Conversion Beamers are scrapped together from?

If shit like Conversion Beamers and Graviton Crushers are Dark Age tech that's itself reverse engineered from the Age of Technology before it, what the fuck?
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>>62927414
>That's because the Eldar were arrogant hedonistic assholes too busy fucking Slanessh into existence to worry about the new rising Superpower that was Dark Age humanity

You say that, despite the humans,
A) Turning on each other/machines
B) Sudden emergence of psykers
B) Warp travel grew increasingly difficult

And that the D/GAoT humans empire basically collapsing, even if we include the "Age of Expansion/Exploration" into the time frame, quicker than both the Eldar Empire and the Age of the Imperium...

Yeah, great golden gods they were not...
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>>62927565
>If shit like Conversion Beamers and Graviton Crushers are Dark Age tech that's itself reverse engineered from the Age of Technology before it, what the fuck?

Everything the Imperium has, is Dark Age of Technology shit. Leman Russ battle tanks? Landspeeders? All based on STC. A fucking Imperial Knight is a DAoT design!

It wasn't lost and then rediscovered, Imperial Knights, it's just been covered in modern Imperial bling by the Mechanicus...
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>>62927548
Have you read the novels?

The machines in Dune didn't rise up against their masters. The Butlerian Jihad was not to free mankind from machine dominion, but to overthrow the people who were using those machines to oppress people. It was man vs. man, the machines were merely the instrument one side was using. After the Jihad the machines were banned not because of a fear they'd ride up against their masters, but to ensure humanity wouldn't become dependent on machines once more and give too much power to the ruling class (look at internet surveillance, bots and drones today).
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>>62927586
>Landspeeders
>based on STC.

Their grav-plates were. The rest of the vehicle was OC donut steel.
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>>62926202
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In the Gladius 40K video game, the marines were horrified to discover that the world they choose to be their homeworld contained a cache of Old One weapons. One of the devices was a handheld extermintus weapon.

The Space Marines choose to blow up the world and themselves on it rather than allow the other races to get their hands on the Old one weapons.
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Why is everyone mad like Age of Technology humans all had Iron Man nanite-suits and T1000 liquid metal butlers and Star Trek Replicators?

If they all had this, why did their empire collapse? Even if warp storms cut off every planet, just sit in stasis-tubes or wait it out with your infinite energy food source? If the Men of Iron attacked them and ruined it, why does it seem the humans won? So they can't have been that powerful...

As for the emergence of psykers... the Imperium of Mankind has been dealing with psykers in increasing numbers for ten thousand years...

The Dark Age of Technology humans sound like weaksauce...
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>>62927233
Anyone have the 40k rules for this beepo
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>>62927586
Dark Age reverse engineered stuff is specifically before the rule about not inventing or adapting anything because doing so only helps Tzeentch.

Most rare Dark Age shit, like Conversion Beamers are scrapped together relics heavily modded and lucky to still be working.
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>>62927612

The Land Raider was recovered from STC, by the same guy.
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>>62927626
Humanity-boos. Humans have to be the best at basically everything at least at some point in the lore.
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>>62926212
And what were the Kastelan originally perchance..?

Loving the golden age sci-fi aesthetic tbqh fammilams. A good contrast to the 40k gothic mania. Relics from this era should reflect the humanity of the time - a focus on science and colonisation rather than the ignorance and decay of the year 40k.
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>>62927626
whatcha doing there, water caste?
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>>62926093
I like it. They don't need to be scary just mass produced. We have necrons for scary.
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>>62927657
>tfw zoomers can't recognize a design homage to classic 50's sci-fi

baka desu senpai
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>>62927664

>Implying the Imperium's deluded ancestors reliance on machines, rather than faith, which brought their downfall, and pointing it out makes me a heretic.

It is you that has turned, fool. Faith alone can overturn the galaxy. The baubles you covet, are false idols...
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It'd be a really neat idea if the MoI unit was designed to shed its disguise and use a completely different, much stronger template, but only if not within the line of sight of any Imperium units.
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>>62926150
Can you show us this other image?
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>>62927448
>"Kotov's fragile consciousness plunged deeper and deeper, the gossamer-thin lifeline held by Magos Blaylock a tremulous thread in a firestorm of golden light. He saw systems flicker past his floodstream that were as alien to him as anything the most secretive xenotech might dream of in his fevered nightmares, and technological echoes of machines that surely predated the Imperium itself. Power generation that could harness the galactic background radiation to propel ships beyond lightspeed, weapon-tech that could crack open planets and event horizon machines that had the power to drag entire star systems into their light- and time-swallowing embrace. All this and more dwelled here, ancient data, forgotten lore and locked vaults where the secrets of the ancients had been hidden. In this one, fleeting glance, Kotov realised he had been a fool to drag this proud starship into the howling emptiness of space in search of hidden secrets. The Speranza was the greatest secret of all, and in its heart it held the truth of all things, the key to unlocking all that the Mechanicus had ever dreamed. Yet that knowledge was sealed behind impenetrable barriers, bound in the heart of the mighty vessel for good reason. The knowledge of the Men of Gold and their ancient ancestors was encoded in its very bones, enmeshed within every diamond helix of its structure.
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>>62927599
>and give too much power to the ruling class

Hay guys, those machines sure oppressed us, lets ban them so the rich won't fuck us over!
>1000 years later...
Hay guys, our opulent fucking emperor sure is fucking the great houses over, lets ban him and dick his fat paddyman!
>100 years later
Hay guys, the most holy worm god son of the guy who got rid of the empire wants to kill 99% of the galaxy...

Retards were better off at the start, Leto was right to murder everyone.
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>>62927688
I want to see a skilled painter do this new robot in chrome that would be nice.
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>>62927730
>"Looping targeting arrays for weapons he had never imagined the Speranza possessing and others that he did not understand flashed up before the astrogation and engineering hubs. Azuramagelli and Saiixek backed away from their stations, confused and not a little frightened by this unknown power rising up around them. Stark against the red of the main display, the image of an alien starship resolved itself. It was smooth and graceful, its hull like a tapered gemstone and topped with a vast sail that billowed in the gravitational tempests. Its image flickered and danced as though attempting to conceal itself like a teasing courtesan, but whatever matrices were at work in the heart of the Speranza saw through its glamours with ease. ... The flanks of the Speranza shuddered as a weapon system built into its superstructure ground upwards on heavy duty rails. A vast gun tube rose from the angled planes of the Ark Mechanicus like the great menhir of some tribal place of worship being lifted into place. Power readouts, the likes of which had rarely been seen in the Imperium since before the wars of Unity, bloomed within the weapon and a pair of circling tori described twisting arcs around the tapered end of the unveiled barrel. Elements of the technology that had gone into their construction would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembled complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in the heart of a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between the stars. It was a gun designed to crack open the stately leviathans of ancient void war, a starship killer that delivered the ultimate coup de grace.
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>>62927730
>Graham McNeil

Really? We're resorting to that hack writer now?
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>>62927748
>>62927730
Gotta stop you there. You do know all these wonders were nothing to the Necron tech this whole story revolves around?
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>>62927752
>Without any command authority from the bridge of the Speranza, the weapon unleashed a silent pulse that covered the distance to the Starblade at the speed of light. But even that wasn't fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bonesingers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient sight of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel's stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade's speed and manoeuvrability weren't enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon's deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions within every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space. Such a state of being was untenable on a fundamental level, and the resultant release of energy was catastrophic for the vast majority of objects hit by such a weapon. Though on the periphery of the streaming waves of chronometric energy, the Starblade's solar mast detonated as though its internal structure had been threaded with explosive charges. The sail tore free of the ship, ghost images of its previous existence flickering as the psycho-conductive wraithbone screamed in its death throes. Blue flame geysered from the topside of the eldar vessel and the craft lurched away from the force of the blast. Its previously distorted and fragmentary outline became solid, and the circling captains of the Kotov Fleet wasted no time in loosing salvo after salvo of torpedoes at the newly revealed warship."

Note: the Speranza wasn't a warship. Getting mad won't make this stop being canon.
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>>62927657
>And what were the Kastelan originally perchance..?

Are you saying DAoT Leman Russes and Malcadors looked the same as 40k ones?
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>>62927746

... the movie Virus from 1999?
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>>62927656
Isn't the point of weeaboo the part where they're not Japanese?
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>>62927759
I didn't claim they were better than Necrons. But wanking the Eldar annoys me.
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>>62927740
>start a jihad
>end up with a medieval society unable to advance in any way due to religious dogma

wew
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>>62927784
It was probably a civilian fleet, after the War In Heaven ended and the Necrons were driven into slumber Eldar military really slacked as they delved into hedonism, their borders were mostly maintained by automated defenses
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>>62927760
>Studio says Kastelan robots, Predator Battle Tanks, the Rhino Armored Personal Carrier and Imperial Knights are all examples of Dark Age of Technology weaponry in the modern Imperium.

>Graham McNeil has an Ultramarine Captain getting mad that an Inquisitor virus-bombed a world under attack by the Tyranids, because the poor people, and parody aliens "you don't see them killing each other to achieve victory" ignoring all those times Tyranids eat each other to shore up biomass, shooting lesser creatures out their guns, charge tank treads to gum them up, etc.

Not mad, because the studio trumps BL authors, and because he is a hack writer. The very definition of 'hack' in writing, since he throws out absurd things thinking it won't turn around and be shown as untrue... like making Men of Iron ten feet tall Ultron-like mother-fuckers, when they turn out to be Liberty Prime and pals...
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>>62927784
>who would win?
>a highly advanced pleasure cruise equipped with the latest and greatest technology and entertainment
>a bunch of pirates in the 40k equivalent of motor boats and AKs
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This is canonically what ancient Aeldari warriors looked like. It seems primitive as fuck.
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>>62927764
The base vehicle chassis existed yes. They were STC designs. All STC tech is DAOT tech.

Remove all the 40k bling and ugly rivots and you have a design from that time yes.
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>>62927760

>The Rhino APC has been in the Imperium's service for over ten thousand Terran years, but its true origins stretch back further still, into the depths of humanity's past. Curiously, the surviving documents on the past of the Rhino APC are almost completely intact, and give an accurate early history of the vehicle.

>Ancient records show that the Rhino originally began life as the RH1-N-0 Tracked Exploration and Multi-Purpose Defence Vehicle, for use by colonists and explorers as Mankind spread throughout the galaxy colonising new worlds. The Rhino was a Standard Template Construction (STC) design. The human colonists of the Dark Age of Technology needed a robust, tracked all-terrain vehicle, sealed against hostile environments and providing some measure of protection against potential hostiles. The first Rhino was field-tested on Mars, and proved to be a great success. As it was capable of being constructed from any locally available materials, and powered by nearly any fuel source, the popularity of the Rhino spread rapidly. Soon, Rhinos became common sights on Frontier Worlds all over human-settled space.

>The Rhino's position of dominance came to an end with the Age of Strife, as Mankind's golden age of technology and interstellar exploration ended in bloody warfare that engulfed almost every human colony. By the end of the Age of Strife, and the emergence of the Emperor of Mankind, almost all of the complete STC databases from the Age of Technology had been lost or utterly destroyed. The remaining Rhinos were slowly wiped out by attrition. Only the work and dedication of the newly-formed Adeptus Mechanicus saved the Rhino and several other STC designs of ancient technology from being lost forever. The reliability of the original Rhino design meant that it has changed little over the intervening millennia.
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>>62926764
You're wrong. The inspiration for the Men of Iron couldn't be more different from the Terminator. It's the Thinking Machines of the Dune universe.
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>>62927837
Depends on how complete the STC was for those things. Like with speeder, they could have had a partial schematic and had to rebuilt the rest. And if you compare, say, Legion Basilisk to a Guard one, you can see several difference in the design, not just the style of the armour layering.

Even if the Kastelan design derives from DAoT, it doesn't mean the two looked anything alike apart from a general humanoid appearance.
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>>62927874
See >>62927599
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>>62927877
True. there's what, 20,000 years of lost knowledge, bodge jobs, redesigns and Imperial ignorance on these things.
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>>62927565
There is also chance that the 'inspired' ruleset of the character breaks out some more serious firepower. No idea if that info is floating anywhere yet.
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>>62927836
And this here is just a dude in armor and with two swords.
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>>62927903

Well they originally looked like this when the Imperium found them...
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>>62927912
Gee Titus, your Primarch lets you have TWO swords??
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>>62927912
You can see the power cell powering the armour tech and the optics. The Aeldari armour has no power cell or optics.
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>>62927918
There's something charming about that era
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>>62927836
The ability to integrate such rich embellishments without sacrificing any of the combat efficiency speaks of an extremely high technology level.
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>>62927932
>The Aeldari armour has no power cell or optics
that you can SEE.
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>>62927932
>The Aeldari armour has no power cell or optics
And pretty sure it's made out of Wraithbone, which is highly advanced.
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>>62926764
Clearly the men of iron were inspired by the geth teehee
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>>62927883

>>62927599 is completely wrong and I'm sad that no one called him out.
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>>62927933
>GIMME A HUG!
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>>62927946
>which is highly advanced.

Debatable.
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>>62927959

Well he's not wrong, just got a skewed view...
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>>62927855
>>62927800
>'I think Androich was twice this size once. Half of if looks like it was torn away by whatever created this cliff. There were weapons in the older days that could do it. Weapons of immesurable power. Tech-devices employed by both the Iron Men and the alliances that stood against their cybernetic revolt.'
>Oll remembered the horrors of Entropic Engines that ignited planets. Sun-snuffers that uncoiled like serpents the size of Saturns rings. Mechnivores ingesting data along with the cities that contained them and hurling continents into the heavens. Omniphage swarms stripping flesh from a billion bones in the blink of an eye.
>'Oh, those were the good old days. When war was something too colossal for human minds to comprehend. Not like the End War. The Warmasters Heresy is smaller thing, scaled for human and post-human brains. But it's bigger in some ways.'
>'Yes, bigger than the godlike struggles of the Cybernetic Revolt. Bigger in scope, bigger in its implications. More horrible because humanity can apprehend it and drive it.'
>Although he did not say so, Oll Persson believed that a Mechnivore had bitten Andrioch in two. A rogue unit perhaps. Though by that latter stage of the revolt almost all machines were rogue. Their Abominable Intelligence querulously hunting for friends but perceiving everything as enemies.

The Horus Heresy series is the most objectively canon thing in 40k.

Deal with it nerds. Cry and shit yourselves all you like.
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>>62927932
You can see the engine powering the drive train and alternator. Human vehicles have no drive shafts or alternators.
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>>62927959
Well, please do.
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>>62928012
Go away, Carnac.
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>The Horus Heresy series is the most objectively canon thing in 40k.

I do enjoy when BL authors pretend to speak with authority and GW just doesn't give fuck about it and retcons their shit.
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I really like the design, sort of reminds me of the sentry bots from Fallout.
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>>62927599
The novels don't talk about the Jihad or its background at all.
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>>62927565
Filename should be I AM A BIOTIC GOD
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>>62928012

C.S. Goto was also a Black Library author...
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>>62926093
It doesn't make me think of an advanced forerunner bot, but I like it.
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>>62927959

At the beginning of the first Dune book it is stated that humanity used thinking machines as a crutch which lead to humans to enslave other humans who relied on their machines. A machine uprising is never mentioned in the original series.

It was the prequel books which changed this to a machine uprising which is one of the reasons they are considered controversial. Not going to get into a canon argument but this is what is presented in the books.
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>>62927744
Yes, oh Omnissiah yes
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>>62927634
>Dark Age reverse engineered stuff is specifically before the rule about not inventing or adapting anything because doing so only helps Tzeentch.
This is not a fucking rule. This is not a fucking thing.
Jesus fucking Christ
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>>62927657
GOD
DAMN

no wonder people thought robots were cool, holy shit.
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>>62927401
>Black Hole Guns
isn't that just a d-cannon.
Eldar got those.
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>>62926452
I dig both but they don't really go well together.
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>>62928094
That was before GW moved BL into their offices to manage them better.
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>>62927617
jesus fucking christ, the implications to this are immeasurable.
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>>62928085
There's bits and pieces scattered, and in no way paints it as an image of machines rising up against their creators. My memory might be clouded by the Encyclopedia, which was written during Herbert's time and he approved of it.
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>>62927233
>i spend millenium pretending to be retarded
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>>62928135
I read the original books over the last two years and the novels barely even allude to anything. I don't have my copy of Dune here, so that introduction might say more than "we relied on them, it was bad", but I don't think so. If there was anything about Man vs Man I'd definitely picked it up.
I didn't read the Encyclopedia, so maybe it's in there.
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>>62927233
this is really fucking cool I think. So he's a millenia-old perfected AI. He's just pretending to be a basic AdMech bitch so he can get shit done without attracting attention. Pretty sweet honestly, I really like this. He probably remodeled himself to fit the aesthetic too.
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>>62928109
BeepBoop
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>>62927836
>It seems primitive as fuck.
Only cuz you lack imagination.
My only beef is with cone/elf helmet, tone it down make them in plastic and im IN
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>>62928217
>My only beef is with cone/elf helmet, tone it down make them in plastic and im IN

dude thats litterally a model right now, I think his name is Vect and hes in the ynnari triumvate.
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>>62927982
No not rly, its semi-scentient material capable of transforming its structure on the whim, light and self-repairing. MARS would suck mean dick for it.
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>>62927565
It is trying to blend in. Decking itself out in a bunch of crazy shit would draw too much attention. And with that sort of attention sooner or later some Admech would work out what he is and all hell would break loose.
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>>62927946
>eldar used to be super advanced like necrons
>only tech they still have going for them is wraithbone shit and maybe spirit stones
>everything else is written off with a "no my army tech is more advanced!"
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>>62928255
One model, I mean whole eldar range with plastic aspects ect....guardians suck ass.
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>>62928161

Beginning of book says it was man vs man.

"Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them."
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>>62928276
just gotta wait till winter bro.

and yeah holy shit I would love if eldar looked like that.
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>>62928034
truely the most advanced race.
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>>62928161
Checking online, God Emperor has this:
>"The target of the Jihad was a machine-attitude as much as the machines," Leto said. "Humans had set those machines to usurp our sense of beauty, our necessary selfdom out of which we make living judgments. Naturally, the machines were destroyed."
As far as I can find direct quotes about the Jihad. There might be some passing references.

From what I remember from the Encyclopedia, it sort of expanded on this, on how thinking machines were used to control populations through information, growth, etc. Naturally this doesn't mesh with the later novels by Frank's hack of a son, which have denied any and all attempts to republish the Encyclopedia.
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I fucking called it like 2 weeks ago but someone here told me it was silly and stupid.

Whose stupid now carl?!
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>>62927599
There are only 3 novels and not one of them talks about the Butlerian Jihad in the detail you’re describing.
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>>62927617
Alright, so its an infiltrator that is trying to find some crazy ass tech to either supercharge itself or start mass producing itself so it can go all vid related on the galaxy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HeyjZ3SttQ
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>>62926093
>beep boop: "kill all humans"
>what was that robobro?
>beep boop loop: "kill all heretics"
>"Ah, carry on"
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>>62928303
I kinda wish we had some chaos Eldar like cover from that Inqisitorial novel. Ill be happy with just eldar too.
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>>62928358
>There are only 3 novels

>Dune
>Dune Messiah
>Children of Dune
>God Emperor of Dune
>Heretics of Dune
>Chapterhouse Dune.

All written by Frank, and contain quotes like >>62928277 and >>62928313. There's also the Dune Encyclopedia, which was published while Frank was alive and he approved of it.
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>>62926202
Then why does he look exactly like a pre-imperial robot instead of looking lie a super-blocky industrial -looking imperium-made machine with cables everywhere?
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>>62927746
looks fairly similar aside from the head
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>>62928398
Well having a minigun and a claw instead of hands makes it a bit hard to modify your own appearance no?
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Were the Custodes Grav-Tanks (and various other vehicles) DAoT tech? Or were they Emperor OC?
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>>62927084
No fuck you the first novels where good then chaos bois took control of the series and made it an stupid hiper edgy recon. The only primarch that wasnt an extreme idiot in so many ways was horus and well you know what happens and then to top that they leave supposed loyalist novels to fucking ADB god dammit.
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>>62928410
I know, which is why the only modification he added to himself is probably that aquila.
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>>62926093
Doesn't look like a mech serpent the size of Saturns rings that could bite holes in spacetime.
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>>62927233
>He just want a Super Weapon Space-Station Waifu
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>>62926202
it has auto-repair systems, which is something admech magos use
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>>62928386
Please don't say that. I don't want chaos to get another codex with new models.
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>Advanced AI pretends to be retarded to fit in with actual retards
>Superglues aquila on chest, namedrops Omnissiah every few hours
>Actually works
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF MEATBAGS
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>>62928410
>the shell contains nothing but grey goo
>the backpack contains a little factory that fabricated ammo for the assault cannon
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>>62928467
desu given the state of the Imperium as long as he avoids actual admech (probably why he was on the galactic fringes) it'd work.
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>>62928468
>It's actually a battlesuit piloted by a squat
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>>62928495
Maybe it's because I fucking love robotics, AI and transhumanism but this concept and its inclusion is really exciting for me. I hope they develop this further and it isn't just a one-off.

The realization is huge. It's like if you see a mythical creature in real life. Someone simple may just see "oh wow, fire-breathing salamanders exist" but you have to realize, if that exists, what else does? The door's blown wide open.
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>>62928497
>an eldar squat
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>>62928497
>>It's actually a battlesuit piloted by a squat
Read a sci-fi book like this once. It was a weird gravity funky world where everyone lived on giant tree branches or something. The remnant of the ancient human space explorers who landed there had a suit of power armor that could only be piloted by a dwarf (as in an actual person with dwarfism)
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>>62927401
>>Black Hole Guns
Don't the eldar field these things on mobile weapons platforms? They let their militiamen operate these things. Like random craftsmen and chefs can be shooting black holes at people, no big deal.
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>>62926245
So why does it have a relatively early make machine gun looking drek instead of some kinda blacklight man-made gauss flayer?
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>>62926093
I’m a little disappointed GW isn’t giving me any Legio Cybernetica, but the more I think about it the more I’m cool with men of iron just showing up here and there
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>>62928456
imperial tears
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>>62927617
>... when mankind first perfected artifical inteligence.

HOLD UP. If I remember lore right there were the men of stone and men of gold before the men of iron. It might be one of those.
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>>62928758
Men of Stone were artificial creatures. Golden Men I don't know if they appear in any official publication. I thought it was just something someone talked about as genetically engineered beings.
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>>62926374
>literally one model
>STOP DEMYTHOLOGISING EVERYTHING, FUCK GW
kill 99% of warhammer fans
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>>62928776
I dont think either have had any full details beyond passing sentences.

Besides we have "A.I." now. Stupid mouse brained A.I. but my point is everyone is jumping to Iron Men when it could be some earlier model. Hence why its not going full apocalypse on the imperium.
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>>62926374
I agree, they should only go forward and hint at things that happend in past.
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>>62926093

So what are his stats like?
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>>62927233
Lol, Magos-Ethericus Nactos iii
M.E.N III
He's not exactly alpha legion is he?
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>>62928806
But >>62927233 flat out says it's a Man of Iron.
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Probably were many models of robots with AI during the dark Age of technology, like they had many tanks and vehicles for similar purposes.
Maybe even some construct that AM has (now with "organic brain") were once gifted an autonomous AI.
I hope in the tie-in novel we'll actually see him.
Perhaps in the vault part of the box there's more background for him.
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>>62928217
>Hating the based cone helmets.
Get the fuck out.
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>>62928781
You know this is a precurser to a whole faction of the fucking things, right? GW has been steadily increasing the rate of new armies and this is too easy to do not to include. A bunch of atomic age robots? Even the shittiest CAD designer can vomit out a whole range of the things in a short time.
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>>62928467
Begs to question how many other machines like it are around. The Admech codex mentions kastellan robots acting autonomously and units with distinctive color schemes being sighted in multiple battle fields across the galaxy seemingly with no higher direction.
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Men of Iron could just be A.I. and can assume any machine form. From sleek rounded white Apple computers to brutish giant diggers. The outer form doesn't matter only the A.I.
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>>62926374
You fucking humanity wankers won't be satisfied unless humanity's "past glories" are some sort of of post scarcity utopia tier shit, when no lore has ever supported that notion.
The Golden Age of Tech humans were still fledgling upstarts underneath the shadow of the Eldar empire and the only reason humanity ever got out of that shadow was the fact that the Eldar got Shlaanesh'd.
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>>62928968
u gay nigga
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>>62929020
No u.
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>>62927657
>Loving the golden age sci-fi aesthetic tbqh fammilams. A good contrast to the 40k gothic mania. Relics from this era should reflect the humanity of the time - a focus on science and colonization rather than the ignorance and decay of the year 40k.
We stopped dreaming.

We once had this vitality and vision, just look at science fiction novel covers from the ’50s-’80s and the fact we actually engineered space exploration. However, that was then this is now. Now our only fantasies and future predictions are of self-destruction. It might be an unrealistic future to envision, but at least they dream of one where they are dominant and in a better situation.
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>>62929016
>being this much of a lorelet
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>>62929041
Point to even a single instance of lore that ever showed Humanity being a threat to the pre-fall Eldar.
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>>62927233
>UR-025
>Atomic number of Iron is 26
ONE JOB
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>>62929077
He's in disguise dude
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>>62928587
Larry Niven's Integral Trees. And technically, the Silver Suit wasn't made to be piloted by a dwarf but by a standard-sized modern human while the majority of the setting's population were evolved microgravity-adapted giants. Four meters tall with finger-thin limbs.
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>>62929036
The dreams of the past were nothing but naive fantasies.
The reality of our future grows bleaker and bleaker.

I am at the point, where to me, the continued growth and development of the modern technological civilization on it's current trajectories, seem more dystopian than the total collapse of civilization. At least for now, we are still at a point, where if this civilization and the technological underpinnings maintaining it's current form were to break down, humanity as it has always been, would still be around and be able to survive.

However, we are quickly approaching a point in time, where we will be able to start engineering humanity, and after that, nobody can say what horrors we will unleash upon ourselves.
I am more and more convinced by the day, that bombs should be sent to biotech firms and gene-labs. The way things are going, we will be all enslaved under the technological system, and it's controllers, rendered into nothing more than engineered subservient domesticated pets, at best.

To quote Ted Kaczynski: "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences havebeen a disaster for the human race."
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>>62926384
>Disguise itself as a toy

Interesting plan
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>>62929085
He is a Man of Manganese now!
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>>62929048
You won't, because you know what it says about both?
Some variation of "they were the mightiest power in the galaxy bar none". There was no comparisons to fuel your skub fight, you fucktard, and it would be beside the point anyway.
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>>62929134
Not even the imperial wank ever claims that golden age of humanity was the "mightiest power in the galaxy bar none".
Pre-Fall Eldar were the top dogs of that age. It was the birth pains of Slaanesh causing warp storms, combined with the men of iron that fucking brought Golden age of Humanity down.
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>>62929134
Nope. Nothing is said about the DAoT like that. So quit lying man. Not him but you just disgust me with playing "Believe me both sources say the same thing about their faction. TRUST ME". If the lore existed you would have posted it by now but we both know it doesn't.

But you what does exist? The lore that says the Aeldari Empire was the untouchable and dominant force in the galaxy up until the Fall.
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>>62929097
Ow that edge
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>>62928987
>a whole faction of the fucking things
Which, unlike the robot in the OP, will have no reason to disguise and thus can look like the creepy spindle robots we want them to look like.
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So which was a bigger mistake, the HH series implying the men of iron were beyond our scope of understanding and had become some manner of me mechanical edritched horror, or GWs team not giving a fuck enough to support the idea?
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>>62929251
Or you can your logic and read the part that says all but wiped out and understand that the most of the dangerous stuff was destroyed and what remained is either buried somewhere or is low tech enough to not be detected by humanity.
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>>62927626
DAoT tech, unlike Eldar tech, did not harness warp energy, nor was the warp particularly understood or safeguarded against outside of a few outlier.
There was no defense against warp incursions in place, no secret police that watched, captured, secured those with psychic talent. A combination of mass warp storms (you don't seem to know that if a warp storm engulfs a planet, that planet is IN the warp, not merely "cut off" from other planets), MoI rebellion and traumatic psychic awakenings (which were the cause of or the result of the warp storms) basically kneecapped every major human population and tech center the same way the birth of Slaneesh wiped out the Eldar capital worlds.
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>>62929230
Look, I want them to be bladed nightmare robots as much as anybody, but the sooner we make peace with the fact that GW will make an army of tonka-toys, the better.
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>>62929285
The daemon codex says that Daemons of Chaos rampaged across the planets of DAoT humanity. Countless worlds were conquered by the daemons and their population either enslaved or butchered. DAoT unleashed their weapons of destruction but to no avail. DAoT humanity collapsed.

Considering that the Imperium survived the coming of the Great Rift and its massed daemonic incursions, I say the DAoT humanity are overrated.
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>>62927565
He is literally PEAK technological heresy. He's possibly the most dangerous thing in the galaxy from a 40k human perspective. He's trying to blend in.
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>>62927617
What have this "guy" been doing in the last 15-20k years.
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>>62927473
>Eldar could extinguish suns with a THOUGHT at their height
Top fucking kek, anon.
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>>62929036
>We stopped dreaming.

https://filkyeahfilk.com/2017/01/18/nowhere-to-run-nowhere-to-hide-nothing-worth/

Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide,
Nothing worth doing that I haven't tried.
There ain't no living on planet-side,
Come on with me, baby, on a rocket ride.

How many cities crumble into dust
At the first atomic attack?
How many self-aware, wise, and just
Computers will we have to hack?

How many supercars will turn to rust
'Cause we don't have a spare or a jack?
Give me technology we can trust,
And give it fins like a Cadillac.

I want a shining tower of glass and steel,
A rubber jumpsuit and a freeze-dried meal,
The will to survive, the need to explore,
The love of adventure, who could ask for more?

I want you, baby, right by my side,
Help me get out before my brain is fried.
The stars are waiting, so big and wide,
Come on with me, baby, on a rocket ride.
Come on with me, baby, on a rocket ride.
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>>62929334
>Considering that the Imperium survived the coming of the Great Rift and its massed daemonic incursions, I say the DAoT humanity are overrated.
>There was no defense against warp incursions in place, no secret police that watched, captured, secured those with psychic talent
The Imperium of Man ACTIVELY safeguards against the dangers of the warp, and has effective weapons against daemons to wield, unlike DAoT humanity.
It seems like you aren't actually reading the post I made, in lieu of trying to get (you)s.
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>>62929406
The T'au survived the Great Rift and they have less knowledge about the Warp than the DAoT.

And remember that most of the time daemonic incursions are defeated though conventional means of shooting and blowing them up.
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>>62929432
So are the Eldar weak because for all their mastery of the warp, a SINGLE warp storm effectively destroyed their empire?
Also, the Great Rift separated the galaxy into 2 pieces.
The warp storms that ended the DAoT empire were said to consume the entire galaxy.
We have a map of the Great Rift. When we get a map of the warp storms of DAoT era, you can make your leap of logic without falling off a cliff.
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>>62929449
>single warp strom
>slaanesh's birth was a single warp storm
>not the most calamitous, galaxy wide, thousands of years long warp hurricanes that fucked up literally everyone to ever occur
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>>62929449
>So are the Eldar weak because for all their mastery of the warp, a SINGLE warp storm effectively destroyed their empire?

It wasn't a single storm. It was the psychic shockwave of Slaanesh's birth.

>The warp storms that ended the DAoT empire were said to consume the entire galaxy.

I have to disagree because the Great Rift is a permanent wound in reality. The Warpstorms that isolated Terra and DAoT didn't leave any lasting damage to space.
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>>62929449
>The warp storms that ended the DAoT empire were said to consume the entire galaxy.

Aka. the prelude to the birth of Slaanesh. It was the Fall that blew away the storm and made reliable warp travel a possibility again, launching the Emperor's Great Crusade to unit the lost human colonies.
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>>62927657
>>62929036
>>62929097
>>62929224
>>62929381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oet1j9EA2fs
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>>62929105
What chapter does this Dread belong to?
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>>62927470
To be fair, the DAoT comprised over 10 millennia, and a lot can change very quickly. You could just as honestly say small rocks were our primary weapon of choice in our history.
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>>62927473
They could blow up sun's with a thought in the same way Grand Moff Tarkin could blow up planets with a word.
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>>62929735
M15 to M25 max, M18 to M23 minimum.

Also, you're forgetting we're talking about a specific era, not entire human history. The rock would not have been the primary weapon during, say, the medieval period. And you can't really claim a lot of drastic technological advancement happened during that time, when in M42 humans are still using the same crap they used in M30 and before that.
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>>62927560
Shame they can't make weapons or armor worth a damn these days. Dropping black holes on their enemies would probably wound on better than a 4+.
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>>62929432
The T'au had a literal lesser chaos god defend them from the Great Rift you mongo.

People in this thread sound like 1d4chan reading inbreds.

Men of Iron are scary because they're not Terminators, they're Skynet.

Each one is thousands.
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>Eldarfags really think their "empire" could fight against DAoT humans.

They cant even beat the fucking Imperium
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>>62929778
So it's okay to paint one set of10k years of history with one brush but not another? This was the time of massive technological advancement, not the stagnation of the Imperium.
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>>62929838
It was the height of human technology. You're forgetting that all the colonies that left Terra in the wake of discovering warp travel, took with them the STC. I don't remember reading much about them updating those databases or that different colonies had different versions separated by thousands of years in technological knowledge.

So, even if Terra did advance, all the colonies that made the human space had the same technological base, and it probably took them a long time to work up to the level that had created the STC. Even the most advanced ones the Imperium encountered were relying on STC tech, rather than something beyond it.

So it's very possible technology, for the most part, did not advance during most of the DAoT, since it was more about colonizing space than sitting in a lab making shit up.
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>>62929870
Imagine what he could of done if he had the full resources of Dark Age humanity weapons, vehicles and technology.
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>>62927013
>Iron men faction that contains both and mergers of the two designs
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>>62927233
I like the head in the illustration much more than in the model.
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>>62926150
Honestly, if they become a thing, id expect it to be a unified "AI" faction, with some Tau, and ancient Eldar designs as well, seeing as our friend UR here wants to bang the fuck out of the BSF. Also id assume that the men of iron would have varied designs in general.
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>>62927506
when you lack the reading comprehension to understand that the man is saying "it looks the same as it has for almost 40 years"
i bet you run commander because you dont have a job at 24
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>>62929645
>ironhands
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>>62927565
Think about how hard it is to build and maintain Conversion/Grav/Plasma weapons and their ammunition. For a rogue machine lifeform living on the edge of civilized space it'd be far easier to find/maintain a more ubiquitous weapon pattern. Since the game is designed to be played over multiple runs he can probably upgrade himself as well.
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>>62926987
Anon that’s stupid.
That’s like saying since the average soldier on the front lines of the 80s only had a rifle, nukes don’t exist and the Cold War couldn’t have ever been that bad if it became a shooting war.

Consider. If this lad is the most basic front line soldier of the Men of Iron, and they had Guardsman numbers.
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>>62929909
I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding of the DAoT - it was called as such because technology was advancing so rapidly that standardization was near impossible, starting with Predator ranks as you mentioned but ending with temporal weaponry and solar system destroying weapons.

What I'm trying to say is that yes, it's entirely possible for Predators and Baneblades and beyond to have been the main Battle tank, as it's 10 000 years of asymmetric advancement.
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>>62927068
And necrons have fucking small rifles too for their footsoldiers. What you don't realize is that this beepboop and it's gun whas the equivalent of the guardsman and it's flashlight.
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>>62927586
yes but the DaoT equivalent of the most basic easy to assemble idiot proof ak47 and tractors that a new colony could need. hell terminator armor is based on the DaoT equivalent of a yellow plastic hardshell helmet
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>>62927657
Can someone find me top right in wallpaper size? That looks like something that’d be great on a desktop or phone.
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>>62930403
>- it was called as such because technology was advancing so rapidly that standardization was near impossible
No. It's called the dark age of technology because it was an era without spirituality, or veneration for the machine spirit. The Adeptus Mechanicus believes humanities lack of proper respect for technology caused their fall. It's called 'the dark age of technology' because the Adeptus Mechanicus believes it to have been a dark age before man venerated and worshipped technology.
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>>62926093
will he reveal his actual powerlevels if he's in real danger?
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>>62929105

+1

You win one internet for today my good man. Top job lad. Made me chuckle.
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>>62930551
This is what I grabbed off the web. I'll let you do the rest of the legwork.
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>>62930618
Thanks man.
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>>62926212
>Implying that the Man of Iron isn't an abominable intelligence occupying the body of an Imperial Robot
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>>62927068
We've been over this before. Imperium < Craftworld Eldar < DAoT Humanity < Eldar Empire < Necrons. Even at their technological zenith humanity didn't fuck with the Eldar Empire because they'd been masters of the universe when we were still sharpening sticks. Some human tech might have compared favorably to the Eldar but that didn't matter when they could just psychically rape us into submission or drop an army across the galaxy in an instant via a fully functional webway. DAoT Humanity had no real way to compete with the Eldar because they were playing in an entirely seperate league, the Warp.
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>>62926150
Its probably a disguise.
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>>62927617
He probably downloaded a copy of himself into a shit-bot.
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>>62926747
Its a disguise you plonker
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>>62930403
[citation needed]
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>>62927401
Not the best examples. The best I think is probably the Time Gun, which moves its target backwards in time and space so missed shots hit.
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>Hello, fellow Imperials, for Omnisiah and such!
>What?
>I mean... beep boop, beep beep
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>>62930977
>GREETING MEATBAGS WHATS GOING ON IN THIS FORTRESS
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>>62928997
Holy shit, maybe they actually hid the reference that far back.

But this does really interest me. AdMech army fluffed as renegades in league with Men of Iron?
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>>62931045
>Woah, this is fun, killing these renegades makes me remind of those times 30k years ago when I was killing hum...oh, look at the time, I have to go
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>>62931083
Despite this actually having horrific potential consequences for humanity, the comedic factor is just too rich. Hyper-advanced homicidal robot AI trying to pretend he's as basic as a calculator is a hilarious concept.
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>>62928430
Both the Coronus and Caladius in their final form are Emperor OC. Inferno states that the Coronus was made to replace an older model of skimmers from the Unification War. He may have used old DAoT tech in their design though.
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>>62930556
That is wrong you Mong
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>>62930618
This picture got me thinking.
Is a robot that has crafted onto itself some organic parts considered a cyborg?
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>>62930976
Forgot about that one
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>>62929005
The AI itself could be wearing that junker ship, which actually has factory-planet-level of industrial output and the bot is just a telepresented shell. It's a fucking AI, a computer program that thinks. There's virtually no limit to how it could really look like.
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>>62931225
Flayed Ones
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>>62931225
On the basic definition: Yes
In the extended one: No, cyborg has to be controlled by its human part, brain, and then has some mechanic modifications. So at its core a cybor has to have a human brain that retains its self
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>>62931082
I doubt it. GW always throws shit on the wall and later either expands on them or forgets all about them.

The piece really doesn't say much:
>"The cohorts of the Legio Cybernetica have marched to war in the colours of their forge worlds for ten thousand years, but the Kastelan Robots themselves are older than the Imperium and some call no single forge world home. Bands of these itinerant war machines may appear in the battle congregations of the Cult Mechanicus, their arrival unheralded and taken as a sign of the Machine God’s favour. They will allow themselves to be directed by local Tech-Priests until the battle is won, after which they disappear once more, perhaps for centuries at a time."

It might as well be a reference to the Paragon of Metal special rule from 30k, representing an automata of exceptional skill and autonomy (through a glitch, good programming or something else?) Units (often individual Castellax or similar automata) with the rule ignore the Programmed Behavior rule and some other special rules and abilities.
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>>62931243
Would explain why the robot's stats are nothing special when Men of Iron are supposed to be absolute monsters.
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>>62931261
I didn't mean just wearing stuff, i meant replacing a cybernetic arm with a biological one.
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>>62927621
The fact Orks use it to get their space hulk back into orbit in their ending is pure gold.
>You're standing on a hilltop, watching a Mek kicking an engine the size of a Hive block. The aeons-old space hulk that brought you to this planet was grounded by the warp storm and terribly damaged. Your few remaining Meks are putting their heads together to fix it, hoping that you can get off-planet and continue your Waaagh! away from this murderous storm. Because, as Bonez said, "Even Orks can't fight da sky!" As you watch, the Mek's banging triggers something it shouldn't. The giant engine suddenly hiccups, flash-frying him and a nearby herd of Squigs.
>You're gnawing on your fourth flambeed Squig when Wurrrdred and his entourage bring the good news. They've found the Gork and Mork gubbins -- sort of.
>The ancient engine bitz look incongruously tiny and insignificant when welded to the edge of your giant hulk, but the Meks, learning from their mistakes, are taking no risks. A lone grot is dispatched to hammer on the engines, in the hope of triggering them. As he strikes his first blow, the ancient devices tremble and inch the hulk clear of the ground. The grot's cheers are curtailed by the hulk slamming back down, atomising him in the blast wave.
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>>62926093
Very, very, very dissapointing
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>>62931265
Still, that's damn cool. The idea that Men of Iron are basically hiding in plain sight is fucking terrifying.
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>>62928217
>make them in plastic
havent you heard of the Visarch?
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>>62931203

Not the guy but the previous admech codex does directly say that the admech have no interest in returning to the ways during the dark ages of technology for spiritual reasons. Not sure if that is where the name of the era came from though.
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>>62931274

The Men of Iron were monsters because they were essentially all Humanity used for the majority of it's great works upto the 23rd millenium. Just like the Eldar, they mass produced them while focusing on other shit so everywhere had armies of them just sitting idle. This meant humans stopped fighting each other and so on and instead just focused on the human empire/s while expanding until one day, via glitch, chaos or necrons , the armies of mankind turned on their creators. Humanity got rawfucked hard and left in a state that they never recovered from.

It was practically every planet in the galaxy having Skynet on it except instead of just the missile systems, EVERYTHING was Skynet down to the fucking sewing machines. Now spread this over a million worlds and you have why it was such a shitfest of a conflict since planets where humanity got killed off would turn into massive machine factories ala Mars and just churn out obscene warmachines that were controlled and used by pure logic.
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>>62930556
That's certainly one interpretation. I've never seen that one before, but I'll accept it, it makes sense.

The standard reasonings I've seen were "it caused the collapse of mankind" and "it worshipped technology itself rather than the God-Emperor" in addition to the one I mentioned before.

Would it not stand to reason that asymmetric, unchecked technological growth would be heretical to the AdMech and thus your point and mine are the same, and we're just arguing a semantic difference?
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>>62930946
Sadly I can't point to the original texts anymore. All I can do is point you to Lexicanum or 1d4chan or the 40k wiki, but they're all missing a citation on that too.
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>>62928886
What's the significance of the 3, then?
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I, for one, am fine with this Man of Iron looking like a weird 60's robot. I'll remind you all that "robots conquer humanity" has been a part of our collective consciousness since the play that GAVE US the term "Robot", R.U.R.
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>>62931369
Basically the animatrix but a million times worse and faster.
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>>62931460
It makes sense from a plot perspective, it's trying to be seen as a toaster, and its hard to do that when you are a technological masterpiece.
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I kind of like the old timely style
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>>62927448
>D/GAoT humans still never even came close to Eldar or Necrons currently
This is wrong in regards to the Elder.
>much less at their height.
But this is right.

Post-Fall Eldar are possibly as much of a shadow of themselves as the Imperium is to it's own Dark Age.

The Old Eldar Empire was absolutely more powerful than DA Humanity, but they were content to fuck themselves to death on their Crone Worlds and let Mankind spread across the Galaxy. The Asurmen books say the two races very rarely interacted. The Beast books has a Harlequin who claims the Eldar overcame Humanity's "undying legions" - their own Wraithbone, psychic constructs were better. Probably border skirmishes when some Human forces got a bit too nosy.

That said, DA MoI tech was nothing to fuck with - absolutely beyond anything in the present bar the Crons. Oll's descriptions of the "Mechanicylsm" were pretty metal.
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>>62929016
>the Eldar got Shlaanesh'd.
I would have said Slaanesh'd themselves.
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>>62929334
>Daemons of Chaos rampaged across the planets of DAoT humanity
Humanity was already broken and shattered from the Machine Revolt.

Entire planets populations plugged themselves into pleasure-simulations and waited to die, rather than try to pick up the pieces.

It was easy picking for Chaos and xenos at that point. Too much shit went wrong for humanity in too little time. They were naive and unprepared.
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>>62931241
But that never happened.
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>>62929036
And that dreaming led to ridiculous waste and excess-ism. The 50s were like pre-fall Eldar but of the brain. Nobody gave thought to the future because they believed we'd make scientific progress at retardedly fast rates. AI, flying cars, space colonies, Mars landings, space mining, all occurring before the turn of the millennium. it was only in the late 90s that this wasteful behavior started to turn on us.
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>>62931795
Read Lords of Mars. Where the ship from the DAoT fires a gun that moves an Eldar ship back in time so the aforementioned black hole gun can hit it.
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>>62931795
>What is the Speranza
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>>62931844
No, that never happens, and it's Priests of Mars by the way.

>>62931858
What happens is that it fires it's black hole gun and misses. but the time distortion area of effect caused by the black hole fucks up the Eldar's solar sail.
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>>62931844
>>62931858
>>62931886

>Elements of the technology that had gone into their construction would have been familiar to some of the more esoteric branches of black hole research and relativistic temporal arcana, but their assembled complexity would have baffled even the Fabricator General on Mars. Pulsing streams of purple-hued anti-matter and graviton pumps combined in unknowable ways in the heart of a reactor that drew its power from the dark matter that lurked in the spaces between the stars.

>But even that wasn’t fast enough to catch a ship as nimble as one built by the bonesingers of Biel-Tan and guided by the prescient sight of a farseer. The pulse of dark energy coalesced a hundred kilometres off the vessel’s stern and a miniature black hole exploded into life, dragging in everything within its reach with howling force. Stellar matter, light and gravity were crushed as they were drawn in and destroyed, and even the Starblade’s speed and manoeuvrability weren’t enough to save it completely as the secondary effect of the weapon’s deadly energies brushed over its solar sail. Chrono-weaponry shifted its target a nanosecond into the past, by which time the subatomic reactions within every molecule had shifted microscopically and forced identical neutrons into the same quantum space.

I guess the debate is whether or not the Chrono-weaponry is a seperate weapon, or just a secondary part of black hole gun.
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>>62931948
Either way, its still an example of DAoT exploring ships having guns that move things backwards in time (remember, the Speranza isn't a warship)
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>>62931948
No debate, the black hole gun is the chrono weapon, black holes fuck with time.
We have here:
> the secondary effect of the weapon

Nothing says they rewound time in order to make sure their shot connected, what happens is the unleashed energies caused a time distortion which damage the Eldar ship.

>>62931966
Rogue Traders are explorer ships too, and they have plenty of high class armaments. What really should be noted is that the wonder gun failed to actually kill the Eldar ship, as did the torpedo that followed.
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>>62932032
No, Rogue Traders are people who own entire fleets. There is not a class of ship called a "Rogue Trader". Rogue Trader ships cover such a wide range of ships from Light Cruisers to Battleships, and are functionally a private military. The Ark Mechanicus, in the DAoT, was designed for exploring, not fighting. A Rogue Trader might be providing aid to an entire Crusade, or clearing orks off of a world. And the Ark Mechanicus as described here still out guns the most powerful individual Rogue Trader ships.
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>>62932119
>No, Rogue Traders are people who own entire fleets. There is not a class of ship called a "Rogue Trader".

Right, but Rogue Traders are explorers, and plenty of them have big guns. You can't assume the Speranza wasn't a powerful ship in it's age because it's purpose was to explore.
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>Expect pic related
>Get starman
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>>62932168
> Don't worry, it's just an explorer ship.
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>>62931365
That's true but its not the reason why its call the Dark Age. It's called that because nobody knows anything really about that time period. How humanity was governed, what they did for recreation, their policies on non hostile xenos. How their technology worked. All of it is a mystery.
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>>62928336
Point of Order!
The top left picture is the cover art for the novel "Armor" by John Steakley & is in fact Felix of Golden AKA the motherfuckin antstomping "Engine", not a robot
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>>62927470
When your enemies are almost entirely Orks, the Predator is a perfectly functional mainline tank.
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>>62932229
The heck is that?
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>>62926093
This doesn't look like warhammer at all.
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>>62932689
Ad hoc mobile human fueled thermal generator from the animatrix, second rennesance seen in the last days of the man machine war after humanity thought cutting the machines from solar power would be a good idea
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Doesn't it?
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People should also remember that if this Beepboop was a fully souped up Man of Iron machine there wouldn't be a fucking Blackstone Fortress game. It'd just curbstomp everything. You gotta scale it back for the game, if not the fluff or modelling.

Personally I'm just glad it's not an overdesigned piece of shit like a lot of Nu-GW sculpts.
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>>62932168
>You can't assume the Speranza wasn't a powerful ship in it's age because it's purpose was to explore.
You can absolutely assume that based on how inconsequential it comes off as compared to the sun-snuffing space dragons and mechanivores
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>>62932772
Yikes.
I sure hope they put all of that month's talent into dark admech.
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>>62932689
Shit from the Animatrix was pretty metal
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>>62932689
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTLMjHrb_w4
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>>62933073
>believing the legends and fairytales made up thousands of years later
get a load of this git
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So what do you folks think Men of Iron should look like?

My thought has always been Iron Giant (movie) but about the size of a marine, though with a featureless "face"
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>>62926093
Having DAoT stuff look like 50's Scifi is cool and everyone mad that he doesn't look like a spiky Necron is a boring mouth-breather
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>>62933784
I always thought they would look more oppulant and gaudy. Like what the golden age of technology would look like.
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In retrospect this is actually really stupid because the implications are insane and lessens their importance.

Imagine how stupid this would be if an old one was on the team, or some thunder warrior.
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>>62934353
the men of iron have never been that important lore wise
they are just mysterious and a cool concept so TG is obsessed with them





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