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I don't like that 40k's story is basically at a standstill. Why not make something happen? Have the Emperor wake up or something. Would that really be so bad?
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>>91885582
Wake up? He's bones and dust, a holy reliquary nailed to the foot of a cosmic lighthouse whose beacon is lit every day by the flames on one thousand psychically awakened children's backs.
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You'll have to make your ragebait less obvious.
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>>91885715
he can regenerate, no?
>>91885717
100% not ragebait. But I'm more of a casul fan.
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they just revived a second primarch, the fuck you talking about
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>>91885809
Ok but I want to see something of a "conclusion" of this story before I die.
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I don't like that 40k has a story, never mind that anything about it changes. It's a backdrop for toy soldier games.
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>>91885797
If you're being legitimate, more has happened in the past 5-ish years than had ever happened, primarily revolving the Imperium and Chaos, who also got their entirely separate setting in 30k to double up on the plot. The last thing we need is the Emperor to get back up and make it even more monotonous.
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>>91885828
so you dont want it to progress you want it to end
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>>91885847
I want progress and for it to end, yes.
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>>91885582
The fact that a character more consequential to the setting than the Emperor himself manifested in return of The Silent King and he was relegated to a side-villain for a Primarch is criminal. If this is how the setting chooses to progress I'd rather it stayed in limbo.
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They should introduce a new faction that is not Imperial or Chaos
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>>91885582
Yes. It's a sandbox setting for you to make your own stories. It should not "move forward" a "plot" that changes the entire galaxy.
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>>91885828
It's not a story and never was, you retard. There can never be a conclusion.
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>>91885582
I don't like that you're being allowed to keep drawing breath on this Earth.
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>>91886559
13th Black Crusade was bad because it led to no plot advancement whatsoever and GW tried to force orks and dark eldar to work as Abaddon's minions, not because it brought plot advancement.
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>>91885832
I remember back in the day (20010-2016) it wasn't unusual to see 40k fans talking about "moving the setting forward" and voicing some complaints about how its a stagnant setting. It wasn't something everyone said, but something you'd see come up regularly as something to talk about.
Its ironic that it happened and now everyone who isn't baiting realized how awful that was for the setting. But the genie is very much out of the bottle. Secondary fans and 40k novel readers really were a bane on the hobby.
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>>91885582
>I don't like that 40k's story is basically at a standstill.
Were you cryogenically frozen in 2014? This hasn't been true for a decade.
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>>91885582
Shut the fuck up kill yourself NOW
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>>91887007
GW should have just embraced the results and destroyed Cadia while having drookies and greens do their own thing. It was bad because they pussied out and kept the status quo which was their plan all along.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYfCb8D1JVo
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>>91885797
>he can regenerate, no?
No. He's a bunch of bones in a chair held together by wires and worshiped like a god, but there's no presence. It's all empty performance & superstition. The emperor's power is that of his followers blind dogmatic faith in him, which has propelled mankind across the galaxy and through countless wars, but that's all it is, blind belief. There's nobody in the drivers seat, no hand at the switch, no finger on the doomsday button. Just human beings groping in the dark crying out in terror and destroying whatever they touch which they can't immediately understand.

If you find this dreadful state of affairs for the human race to be an uncomfortable or unpleasant thought, then congratulations on finally understanding the essence of 40k
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>>91885582
Write your own setting then
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>>91887244
but isnt there a consipracy that if they kill him he will pop up again ?
he is a perpetual but if he dies the copenomicon goes out and bye bye imperium
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>>91885582
>nooo muh toys aren't allowed to have a story where anything happens
>noooo i don't care if Transformers did it
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>>91885880
lol this nibba thinks xenos are more than just jobbers to space marines
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>>91888217
He got better
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>>91885582
I don't like that you're alive. Why not kys? Jump off a building or something. That'd be awesome.
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>>91885582
Then all the spergs will have to learn new wacky trivia to impress people at their LGS with
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>>91885582
40k isn't a story, it's a setting.
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>>91885828
It isnt a story, its a setting. There are plenty of stories told in that setting, and some of those have ends.
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>>91885582
>Have the Emperor wake up
Always have been as a consciousness that has evolved beyond the need of a body. He assumed control of the Tyrannids and sent them to the milky way galaxy to put humanity and the rest of it's inhabitants out of their misery.
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My nigga the story is what unfolds during your games. Don't you play games?
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Bro, you can totally have that happen in your campaign because it's your guys.
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>>91885582
Are you fucking insane? It's constantly getting updates to the story that make people go ape-shit. Primarchs are popping up everywhere. Units are changing. Factions are being set up as new armies to combat a complete status quo shift.
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>>91888690
It's funny because that lack of a stable narrative is about driving sales and I personally find it all a bit overwhelming.

I sort of vaguely remember being able to play around in M.38-41 without any major problems.
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LOTR has a story. It has progression. Hell, it even has a Ragnarok-style end of the world that WILL happen according to Tolkien.

Despite this, plenty of TTRPG settings are based in middle earth.

I don't see why story progression would ruin the setting for 40k.
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>>91888875
You can literally do that, why does everything need to be official with you homos.
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Somehow the emperor returned
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>>91888897
>LOTR ends at book 2
>Tolkien says it's all up to interpretation from there
>You can write your own book 3 if you want, even!
I don't WANT to write my own ending, you fucking mongoloid.
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>>91887912
It's very disingenuous to praise Transformers as a setting that does anything but fighting to conclude to the status quo.
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>>91888936
You want someone to write your ending for you even though it all centres around a tabletop game you allegedly play. Right
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>>91888964
Transformers lines have definite shelf lives, often with associated story arcs and End Times events.
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>>91888993
Who said I play it? I read and watch videos of the lore. Don't care much for the tabletop setting, I tend to prefer pathfinder or homebrews.
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>>91889018
Amazin.
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>>91888875
LOTR and a tabletop war game don't have the same narrative intent or even comparable goals by their respective creators.

>>91888995
If there's a history of series arcs like some kind of Power Rangers rabbithole that I'm being reductive towards then I'll have to admit ignorance. Optimus fights Megatron who loses but this time X is the impression of it I have from general cultural osmosis that presents itself most to me.
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>>91885582
>Cadia has fallen
>a new Eldar faction has risen
>Biel-Tan was shattered
>Ynnead semi awoke
>Commoragh is now under permanent demon invasion
>a giant warp rift split half the galaxy
>Magnus returned and claimed Prospero in real space again
>Mortarion returned and established permanent nurgle worlds north of Ultramar
>Girlyman returned and stared the Great Crusade 2.0
>A new form of Space Marine now exist
>Custodes started campaigning outside of terra
>Angron returned
>a new Demon demigod appeard
>the Squats returned
>the Octarius War was resolved
>the fourth tyrannic war began
>the silent king returned
>necrons established a big new holding with the pariah nexus
>tau now have new holdings far beyond their original empire
>the Lion returned and reintegrated the Fallen into the DA
How is this standstill? The setting is vastly different from how it was pre Gathering Storm
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>>91886696
People used to also say "what if Guilliman got better and le fixed the Imperium?!?!" and even back then I called them dumb faggots who missed the point. And lo and behold now they whine and moan over how GW gave them exactly what they asked for while I get to remain smug and objectively correct from my throne atop Curmudgeon Hill
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>>91889036
>Optimus fights Megatron who loses but this time X is the impression of it I have from general cultural osmosis that presents itself most to me.
That's the memetic understanding but even the 80's cartoon continuity got past that after two seasons.
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>>91889075
Octarius was resolved? How did I miss that?
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>>91888420
>They couldn't keep Optimus DEAD!!!
(Anon never heard about DCMarvel comics.)
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>>91887244
iirc he has spoken to people since this time, psychically.
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>>91889118
I apologize then. Transformers rep in modern movies do alot to reinforce the most trite and unflattering view of it to me.
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>>91889125
It was resolved in the two "War Zone Octarius." books. The nids won, killed the overfiend of the orks and broke through the imperial defense like that was established to keep both parties contained.
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>>91889153
I remember the Marvel Transformers comic revealed at one point that Megatron for the last several arcs had been a copy possessed by Straxus of Polyhex while the real Megatron was living as an amnesiac hobo in the ruins of Cybertron.
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>>91889125
GW has a bad habit of silently paywalling the conclusion to conflicts that inevitably becomes lost once they make their money and stop selling said campaign books. These things are discarded like cheap whores and only exist on ancient Warhammer Community articles and wiki pages afterwards.
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>>91889125
dunno. It wa s a Tyranid victory so now the hive fleets are stronger than they were before centuries earlier and snaking their way west across the galaxy, while the fourth tyrannic war is focused on just the NEW hive fleets that emerged in the far west of the galaxy. So theres two massive tyranid hive fleets on each end of the galaxy at the same time
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>>91889251
Didn't Ghaz beat the nids there too? How can they both win?
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>>91889262
Ghaz fought the Nids a while but then fucked off to some place else
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>>91889075
>space
>north
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>>91889182
Anything with the new logo is fanfiction.
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Oh, you want something to happen? Okay; here:

>emperor wakes up
>no longer does the light of the astronomicon shine as a beacon by which human astrogators may safely guide their ships through the immaterium across the imperium
>no longer does the godlike will of humanity's most powerful psyker hold back the oceans of hell's numberless demons from pouring into hyperspace
>instantly all interstellar travel comes to an end
>instantly all unfit psykers become possessed by demons
>hyperspace becomes completely untenable
>every ship in hyperspace at that moment is scattered across time & space, each to arrive randomly at some random planet at some random point of time in the future
>instantly the entire galaxy goes into a vanta-black(TM) dark age
>every planetary system cut off from the rest of the shattered empire
>999 out of every thousand worlds becomes a death world, a themed mini hell, or some other kind of place where "normal" humans have absolutely no business being
>this is the grim darkness of warhammer 50,000
>wh50k
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>>91885582
stuff gets changed all the time (usually for the worse)

The point should never be to try to wrangle players into listening to your own overarching story, but give them the tools the create their own stories. Unfortunately companies (and their narcissistic employees) would rather you be impressed with their creativity than give you the tools to express yourself. Warhammer and tabletop in general should be about the player's ideas, not conglomerating its players into marketable narratives.
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>>91889510
I like it.
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>>91885582
> Just change your gender,accept infinite Africans would it be so bad?
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>>91890214
Well apparently a large number of people can't even visualize an apple in their head, so I understand if some need GW to publish official narrative supplements for them, but now they all want marketable characters and sloppy BL stories to keep them from ever forming their own thought. It might get so much worse when Henry Caville's amazon show comes out and corpos try to turn 40k into more of a walmart franchise than it already is. I'd mostly be OK with that but I know they're going to neuter the setting and remove inconvenient elements so that people like OP can have something to follow along with.
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>>91886696
>I remember back in the day (20010-2016) it wasn't unusual to see 40k fans talking about "moving the setting forward" and voicing some complaints about how its a stagnant setting.
I remember back in the day, these people were shouted down for being shortsighted fools. And here we are.
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>>91885582
40k isn't a story, it's a setting.
It's suited to have stories within the setting, not constantly change the conditions of the setting under the guise of "advancing the story" until you end up with a setting that is unrecognisable to before.

I think the misinterpretation of the setting's potential is due to recent GW (and Black Library) story decisions like the Horus Heresy. It gives the audience an example of this huge scale story and they only expect more.
15 years ago a 40k story was
>some guardsman try to survive a planetary invasion
>a space marine learns what his chapter is about
Today a 40k story is
>Roboute Guilliman came back and he's saving literally the entire galaxy!
>uhhh Lion is back and he's saving Galaxy 2!

So 40k is a setting, like real life. So expecting story advancement in 40k SHOULD be like expecting story advancement in real life
>There are 2 suns now but one is green with blue stripes over it, also Jesus is back so people don't die anymore
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Progress is bad because warhammer only used to be good, so the less that's the same as then means the worse the whole thing is.
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>3 of the four chaos-aligned primarchs are active in the materium again.
>the tau have begun aggressively expanding
>the squats are rejoining into the galactic struggle to rediscover their lost lore
>The lion has awakened, and has ended the millenia long conflict with the Fallen
>the ynnari are in full panic breakdown after an ILLUSION of shalaxi halbane dragged her horsey goat cock across yvraine's face and clowned on all the strongest forces she had at her disposal
>the tyranids are more aggressively pushing into the galaxy from all sides, and the imperium is losing their ground on multiple fronts
>imotekh is gearing up to stand against the Silent King

tf do you mean the story is at a standstill?
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>>91886358
Tell that to Warhammer Fantasy.
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>>91889510
>astrogators
I'm sorry but all I can imagine now is crocodilians in space.
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>>91885847
Tbf the way that 40k is set up ending it is way more logical than trying to "progress" it in anyway save directly for the end. Dude claims he's a casual but he gets the setting way better than the current authors and most so-called "hardcore" fans. Even if "I just want to see the story concluded" is the same hobbylet, imaginationless secondary mentality that demands "progress" and led to the current mess in the first place.
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>>91890859
Age of Sigmar is a direct sequel, the setting didn't end, it just got reskinned and more retarded
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>>91885582
If you want a narrative here's one for you.
Anon read a book and stopped asking to make 40k even worse. He had a good time even though some of it went over his head, he was able to admit that and understood the difference between a setting for a wargame and a novel.
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>>91889251
>>91889182
>>91889125
It's weird that Octarius did resolve, since both armies were engaged in an endless struggle to lose to one another. The Nids must have felt really embarassed about accidentally winning a campaign.
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>>91889238
Has germ paywalling really become so watered down that requiring you too pay for a book to read its contents can be considered as such?
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>>91890924
Well, I suppose you got me there.
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>>91888875
>plenty of TTRPG settings are based in middle earth.
Are they though? I know there's LOTR rpgs out there but aren't they all just the plot of the books with Donut steels inserted in?
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>>91885828
>I wish Earth had a "conclusion" of its story before I die
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>>91890941
You're right that's a dumb way to view it and the wrong focus. The more salient point isn't that monetizing the story being wrong.

The more damaging part of the way they do things is ironically that they permanently stop making that content / books available to purchase once its outlived its usefulness. Does a disrespect to whatever creative offering it may be and a disservice to anyone in the future who may want to follow the events.
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>>91885838
The problem is not enough people give a shit about Chaos. Orks, nids, and the like are bigger.
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>>91889125
Nids finally managed to break the back of the Orks and exploded out in all directions with bigger, meaner, stronger everything from all the biomass and evolution they had gone through. Meanwhile, the Orks got bigger and bigger and are now all gathering up their own Waaaghs to attack back or elsewhere.
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>>91885582
Because the Whole point of the setting is a never ending soul crushing stalemate in a constant state of decay with enough room for literally any type of moving story to exist within and have full meaningful conclusions without any overall setting wide changes, so that (you) can do any kinda back story for 'Your dudes' and fit in with any other person's dudes or any lore established groups and every thing be fine.
Fuck you
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>>91888332
No one knew and no one cared. The death of Optimus Prime (and Megatron)
killed transformers. No one gave a fucking shit about blur or beast.transformers. They were so desperate they tried to keep the dinobots and then turned them into comedy relief. Utter failure
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>>91885828
>40k End Times

Ok what retardation can we expect ? Yvrene backstabbing ?
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>>91889018
Well then you don't interact with the reason the fluff exists in the first place and therefore should be ignored.
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>>91887244
I thought he holds the chair forces at bay to allow warp travel?
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>>91891286
>soul crushing stalemate
>in a constant state of decay
Mutually exclusive
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>>91892179
>The death of Optimus Prime (and Megatron)
killed transformers.
That's not what did it.
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>>91885582
it wouldn't be that bad

it would be way way worse
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>>91890800
>pretending the Xenos stuff counts
Come on dude.
They experimented giving the Xenos some lore, they expanded on the Necrons and Eldar (both tied to the fucking Imperium again mind you) and even that was too far out of their comfort zone so they’ve quietly tried to kill Harlequins and Ynnari in 10th edition and just gone back to writing Soave Marine wank and shitting out more fucking Soace Marine models while Drukhari is missing literally half its roster for being out of print
Don’t pretend they give a single shit about anything that isn’t humans vs chaos humans
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The post 2016/2018 invasion of Hive Fleet Secondary and the catering to Star Wars refugees has been an absolute disaster for the brand. The Nu-Fans want muh character drama, because they lack imagination.

The harsh, cold truth is, that just about 99.9% of the Nu-Fans don't belong in our hobby. It requires a level of imagination, dedication, and involvement that they just can't deliver on. So, here we are, with the Horus Heresy absolutely ruined, primarchs waking up from Odin Sleep, soulless cartoons, shitty animations, Cavill making a TV show catering to them, and the hobby almost empty of the original fans from 1988-2010.

I no longer participate online with the hobby, or pay attention to anything new. I just play 3rd with my son. Am I a wargaming boomer? No, the aspects of 40k that I enjoy have just fundamentally changed to a degree that it's no longer recognizable.

Stop asking for shit like this, and go find a better hat that fits you.
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>>91893567
You could have posted this 10 fucking years ago and made the same point you fat midwit. Bet you felt like a real intellectual writing all those paragraphs of the blandest takes known to man
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>>91893595
You will not be missed.
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>>91893567
>>91893735
Too bad. You literally got left behind and their demands will be and are being catered to, not yours. You’re forced to play an old edish while they consume all the content made just for them and play the newest edition. Ironically, you will not be missed. I don’t know how you haven’t realized that yet.
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>>91889075
>the Lion returned and reintegrated the Fallen into the DA
wait, what?
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>>91894798
>You’re forced to play an old edish while they consume all the content made just for them and play the newest edition.

Don't threaten ME with a good time
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The story has been constantly moving for 9 years now though? There are literally 25yo zoomers on this board whose fond memories were in highschool playing ultrasmurfs with Girlyman leading their detachment.
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>>91886696
>>91890702
>shouted down
Fantasy had an entire thing where they had their own thread where they'd hash out 'ideas' to advance the plot including such original thoughts as having an industrial age in the empire or bretonnia becomes revolutionary france.

>>91885832
You would think this, but GW is more similar to Marvel Comics now in the sense that it's an IP farm selling gorillions of books and getting a cut of videogames and animations and has a deal with amazon and henry cavill for a series and maybe they'll make a movie.

GW is advancing the plot because they can sell it and make more than just playing with wee men. That the wee men are overpricd just lets them skim more off the top.
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>>91885582
40k was not made to be a story but a setting something you use to justify pushing miniatures across the table.
40k needs to maintain the status quo or the Game falls apart because significant narrative choices are connected to the miniatures that's why the Eldar are always on the brink of extinction despite constantly suffering catastrophic losses, tyranids/necrons not overrunning the galaxy despite being quiet literally OP etc.
The more you move 40k forward or explain certain events the more it breaks apart like stretching a rubber band it will inevitably snap.
Just look what happened to the Horus Heresy the monomyth of the setting it went from a tragedy humanity never recovered from to a joke involving a woman moment, daddy issues and character acting like retards.
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>>91887244
But that's not true at all, the Emperor is the most powerful psychic force in the universe, even if his physical body is a husk. He's even communicated directly with Roboute Guilliman since his return, and also worked directly through his followers (usually resulting in them dying from the overload), so I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that the Emperor is dead.
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>>91885582
You're at least six years too late with this thread.
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>>91889262
Common misconception due to some confusing wording. The war was over the Octarius Sector, of which the capital was the planet Octarius. Kind of like how the sector Cadia is in is also called the Cadia Sector.
When Ghaz showed up, he helped the Orks purge Octarius the planet of Tyranids, but not the system or sector. He then left, taking the biggest/strongest Orks with him, and the Tyranids re-invaded Octarius the planet. The war was never going on on just a single planet, Octarius was just the most important one because that’s the center of the Overfiend’s power and where he was headquartered.
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>>91892863
It's not, you're just too much of a brainlet to grasp the sheer scale of the galaxy. It is decaying so slowly the story should never meaningfully progress in a human lifetime.
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>>91885582
>I don't like that 40k's story is basically at a standstill.
Everything since 8th ED onward is not a standstill anymore. However one can question if it's a good thing...
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>>91885582
Shut the fuck up you zoomer. They literally moved the story forward with the Cicatrix Maledictum, Primaris and TWO returnign Primarchs. The obsession with advancing the 'story' as if it was a soap opera, instead of exploring a 'setting' (which is what it is supposed to be for 'your dudes') is what is ruining 40k.
>>91885797
>I'm more of a casul fan.
Get the fuck out of the hobby.
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>>91887069
I miss it. So damn much.
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>>91886696
>Secondary fans and 40k novel readers really were a bane on the hobby.
Amen
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>>91895342
>Fantasy had an entire thing where they had their own thread where they'd hash out 'ideas' to advance the plot including such original thoughts as having an industrial age in the empire or bretonnia becomes revolutionary france.
And how where these people treated, for even suggesting such things? Exactly.
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>>91894798
I don't have a horse in this race but I think that other anon has a point. You probably won't be missed.
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Moving the setting forward wouldn't be terrible, just the only examples of that are to
A:Release a new kind of Space Marine or
B: End the setting & pull it from shelves to replace it with a new one that has Space Marines in it.

A new big thing to happen in 40K wouldn't be shit, but it would almost certainly be to do something stupid like replace Orks with brand new & better "Rorks™" & then slowly replace the entire Greenskins range with them.


Also the Great Rift stuff seems kind of decorative right? apparently half the Imperium is cut off from the other half but I guess we can't see what it's like in there.
I think something in the Calixus Sector now that it's gone from galactic backwater to one of 2 ways around the Great Rift would be cool, but wouldn't really sell much Space Marines so we won't
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>>91901914
>but it would almost certainly be to do something stupid like replace Orks with brand new & better "Rorks™" & then slowly replace the entire Greenskins range with them.
Faggots have been begging for Krorks for ages and I hope GW never listens to them. Or maybe I should want them to so I can finally wash my hands of GW.
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>>91901175
>You probably won't be missed.
And neither will you after you disappear while going down the wrong alley behind the LGS.
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>>91897091
Oh man I wish I threw dice with you, there's a perfect spot behind my store where we can throw fists thereafter and the owner will turn a blind eye for us.
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>>91887244
Not sure what kind of secondary you are, but the Emperor is very active and very much alive. Now the jury is still out on if he would regenerate if he were allowed to fully die, but it's well established that in his current state his soul and mind are active and conscious, fighting back chaos and guiding humanity in seena db unseen ways, and that his physical body is kept as the cusp of death by the Golden Throne.
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>>91885582
>I don't like that 40k's story is basically at a standstill. Why not make something happen? Have the Emperor wake up or something. Would that really be so bad?
Alien, you have spoken the Words, and you have spoken them rightly. We will tell you of portent.net, and of how dozens of threads and hundreds of posts begged for the very same, a quarter of a decade ago. And now we have /pakg/ as the inevitable outcome of this ever-recurring, droll, power creep-oriented imagination.

tl;dr - OP is as new as his ideas are not
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>>91891152
I feel this on a spiritual level.
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>>91904900
>wishes for intimate physical contact with another male
wew lad, that's /v/ levels of poorly repressed homosexuality right there
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>>91885582
I got a better fucking idea.
Fracture the imperium.
Not kill it, but let the parts beyond the great rift collapse into a bunch of successor states with their own cultures and attitudes. Kind of like a mini version of Old Night. With human factions evolving. While papa smurf manages to preserve the imperial core and a few outlying sectors.

Suddenly the story moves forward.

I wanna stress these successor states NOT be chaos aligned (at least not overtly)

OH and do something with the fucking dwarves GW, holy fuck. Even if it's just Deep Rock Galactic, but you set it in a hive city and replace the bugs with hive gangers. That'd be something.
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>>91887817
That's nonsense, he's already dead. there's nothing to kill. The concept of perpetuals is dull boring horseshit, it has no place in 40k.
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>>91888897
this
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>>91888897
It needs to have something to prove that he's spent money and consumed BRAND NAME. Worse, if it's not official, not only has BRAND NAMED not been consoomed, but it can't be used to win arguments on the internet - the highest cause of all men.
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>>91895220
precisely

they even got a name, guess which one is the correct one

>the forgiven
>the redeemed
>the risen
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>>91905690
>Even if it's just Deep Rock Galactic, but you set it in a hive city and replace the bugs with hive gangers. That'd be something.
you mean dorktide?
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>>91897091
>le it’s a setting not a story!!!
>noo!! You can’t disagree with the consensus here… because that would be… not the consensus!!
These emotional mantras you guys repeat are making it hard to distinguish you from redditors. Just saying
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>>91888897
Your side are the crybabies about shit not being official though. Someone could buy 3rd edition books and get on eBay and never even be aware of what the latest primaris news was… but they don’t. Why is that?
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>>91906638
It’s canon though
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Youre gay. The table top game is how the story progresses. Its your dudes abd their stories. The only real lore is your armys codex.
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>>91885582
Cadia got destroyed and primarchs have came back.
This post would of been fine a couple of years ago, but now it's bad bait
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>>91888457
This
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>>91885582
>I don't like that 40k's story is basically at a standstill.
You're a faggot.
>Why not make something happen?
Because the whole point of the setting is the slow stagnation.
>Have the Emperor wake up or something.
Retarded idea.
>Would that really be so bad?
The entire point is that the autistic sociopath god king failed because he was both an autist and a sociopath and had he been neither he would have kept the system working.
Remember that 40k is specifically meant to be political parody in the same vein as Robocop and Starship Troopers.
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>>91905690
>OH and do something with the fucking dwarves GW
The Tau are the new dwarves
You rike?
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>>91904992
>>91895970
These are just hallucinations born from the residual psychic backlash of 1000 warp sensitive children being slaughtered every day to keep the golden throne going. Psykers do crazy things when they die, and 1000 of them at once all believing they are being sacrificed to the emperor has them all on the same wavelength increasing the vividity of the hallucination. People may think the emperor is communicating with them, but it's just a psionic ghost conjured from what the sacrifices think he would say influenced by what the subject of the phenomena might be expecting to hear. like a near death religious experience inverted and incidentally projected outwards by the powers of the golden throne.
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>>91909661
According to who? Some black library author who doesn't understand stakes & tension in storytelling? I've never encountered anything like a perpetual in my actual GAMES of warhammer, when they lose enough wounds they die
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>>91909532
Hey it would work for one of their novels. But nah we gotta get space marine daddy issues novel #2227b

>>91909845
The Squats they brought back and haven't even had a novel yet.
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>>91910045
Multiple Chaos Gods, and Eldar, and more all confirm he is definitely still active.
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>>91904900
Fucking watch out lads, he's hard this one! Imagine posting about fighting another anon on fucking 4chan of all places. You ain't fighting shit you delusional sperg. Keep shadow boxing and seething in your moms basement though.
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>>91910045
Nice headcanon dude.
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>>91910045
What? No. The Emperor is a super-psyker that basically got tulpa'd into godhood by the combined psychic force of humanity's belief in him. The weirdness comes from when he "died" and his soul was shattered over existence (after some Chaos attack, forget which), it's been slowly coalescing back into form, but hasn't quite reached its original levels of consciousness. Not sure where you've read whatever you believe, but this is from the newer Indomitus-era books, so whether you like it or not, it's the canon.
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>>91909335
the risen sounds dumbest so i'll go with this one
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>>91885866
You want the Eschaton, idiot. The ending of the story is the ending of the setting is the ending of the game. Once you do The End Times the setting is over. This was the mistake the Dark Sun guys made, by having an actual storyline in which sand thirstman kills the sorcerer kings or whatever.

If the story ends the conflict loses its existential edge by definition, and that is what makes the game enticing. Ergo it CANNOT end without destroying the game. If GW ever puts a neat bow on 40k it will be because they finally somehow run out of money and players and shut down or decide they can do something bigger and end it to focus on something new.

But the very fact that the ending is suspended for convenience means that if the actual ending happened it would be perfunctory, a half-hearted denoument.
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>>91910045
Emps is a perpetual, he's literally impossible to kill, no matter what he will come back eventually. The same is true of Vulkan and a few others. What happened to him is essentially the worst case scenario, he's been rendered physically down to a withered corpse but his soul/consciousness may/may not be actively doing stuff. What he cannot do is die--at least not in the way we think of it. If you took him off the Golden Throne he might start regenerating properly, but if you did that the Astronomicon would switch off and that would make warp travel into suicide, thus fracturing the Empire further.

Possible solutions:

-Fix the Astronomicon so it can function without the Emperor
-Find someone as or almost as powerful as the Emperor to take his place
-Status Quo

The Gray Knights are supposed to have an emergency window pane they can smash with some super secret orders, which were sort of implied to be a way to kill the Emperor if it looks like all is lost, either because that might bring him back, or because his body being captured would be worse than the total extinction of humanity already is.
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>>91885582
its a setting not a story and the move to make it a story has resulted in nothing but complete shit.
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>>91885582
the object of the game is to sell books and miniatures. so the story is just there to get you to invest money into the books and miniatures.
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>>91916444
Kind of a meaningless statement, because if you’re skeptical enough any book/movie/song is “just created to make money”. I’d imagine Warhammer is such a niche hobby there’s guaranteed to be some passion behind some of the works. That fact could work the opposite way though too, someone is even more jaded and hacked out making a niche product they have no interest in or relationship too… but either could be the case for an individual work and it’s not like anyone is forced to read the shit they don’t like
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>>91913770
bingo!
get it? the fallen have risen!!!
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>>91919578
After enough time will they be The Stumbled… since it doesn’t really make sense to refer to someone has risen they arose a long time ago
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>>91885582
It's a setting not a story. Fucking kids.
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>>91909718
Someone's never actually read starship troopers OR pre-BL 40K
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>>91915847
>The Gray Knights are supposed to have an emergency window pane they can smash with some super secret orders, which were sort of implied to be a way to kill the Emperor
Nope, HH revealed it's just an anti-astartes virus bomb that would kill all marines everywhere somehow.
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>>91885582
this is your brain on plastic glue
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>According to who? Some black library author who doesn't understand stakes & tension in storytelling?
Perpetuals are a straightforward application of what Priestly wrote in his notes. Sure, they modified it somewhat but it's the same gist.

>when they lose enough wounds they die
No, they are removed from the game as casualties. Maybe they're dead, maybe they're just wounded too much to continue fighting or whatever.
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>>91919659
>has an emotional reaction to wrong opinion
>must repeat consensus mantra when presented with wrong opinion
Go back
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Transformers UK had tbe superior comic range
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>>91919659
>It's a setting not a story.
People repeat this cretinous mantra as if the two are mutually exclusive.
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>>91910045
This is my interpretation of the series as well. (the proper interpretation, I must add) The nu-lore and r*ddit-lore championed by Secondaries and its consequences have been a disaster for the 40k fan base.



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