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>OFFICIAL Commander website, where you can learn the rules, see the current banlist, and read the format philosophy, laid down by the rules committee:
https://mtgcommander.net/

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet.
http://www.edhrec.com/

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity.
http://mtglands.com/

>Deck List Site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices.
http://www.tappedout.net

>CARD SEARCH
https://scryfall.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>how to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com/

>TQ/prompt: What is your favorite underrated card effects?
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>>93299735
Wrong previous thread in OP, my mistake
Exiled: >>93292265
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Thoughts /edhg/?
Who is this for?
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/what-is-a-bloomburrow-value-booster
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First for tree rat genocide.
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>>93299654
>>93299598
>>93299540
got a list i can look at anon? sounds cool af
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>TQ
no-basic land hate
life gain prevention
red is fast becoming my favorite color as of late
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>>93299760
>no price
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>>93299770
for sure, I will try to take a pic of my deck later this week or on the weekend
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>>93299760
ultimately, this is for wizards
great value (tm) packs have always been there to scam grandmas to spend money on useless shit. especially the ones that are store specific like these
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>TQ
Non-basic hate
Stax (likely not underrated, but quite hated)
Trying to build a mono-red equipment stax deck right now. Forcing everyone else to kick their own teeth in with my Commander until he's so huge I can just win with him
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>>93299776
>Anon is impressed with mechanica that have existed in R longer than he's been alive
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>>93299760
It a set full of shitty tribes and a handful of good cards to back them up. This thread is the key audience
(I will be getting a few food deck singles)
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>post on facebook im after white border non basic lands with no mana symbol (revised, 4th, 5th editions)
>mfw some old 50s boomer replies and tells me he threw out 1000s of them 2 days ago
REEEEEEE
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>>93299763
You fool. I want my squirrels to die. I have a Bastion of Remembrance
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>>93299805
they have but are mostly shit or far and few between. I'm gonna clone and bounce this cat until it's a corpse and then reanimate it
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What's the appeal of group hug decks? I've never played them and from the perspective of a player who tries to win the game, they don't make sense to me.
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>>93299818
Unbothered. Flourishing. Blooming.
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>>93299760
>Who is this for?
Little kids dragged to Target and Wal-Mart by their mothers that scream about wanting cards at the checkout.
It's *only* $5.99 so if it makes tiny tim shut up for the car ride to Macy's, mommy dearest is probably going to pony up.
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>>93299823
my first ever commander night at LGS was too dudes helping each other the entire game but they didn't even bother finishing me off.
It was okay I guess? but i wouldn't want that every game.
One dudes deck was just all spells and nothing else.
Do people always do this shit or I just got an unlucky 3v3 table?
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>>93299823
it's a sure way to not get your general immediately removed
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>>93299823
generally you convince everyone to target each other and leave you alone since you keep giving them value while you build up either a combo or enough stuff to vomit-your-hand and win the game
>anon if i counter that ill let you draw a card and butt your creature if you dont swing it at me
>ok deal! [anon lied]
>ok fine i bounce your thing and draw 2 since you swung at me
>have now drawn 2 cards to replace the 2 you spent countering a table threat and protecting yourself, other players now more likely to trust you and work with you while you build draw into your wincon and protection
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NEW QUESTION
>Budget cards you use in place of more expensive staples?


Wrap In Vigor is like a buck and most of the time does what a Heroic Intervention would do. Mind you, Heroic Intervention is only $10 nowadays but I've been using Wrap In Vigor since it was $25 or more.
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>>93299776
Red has always been the best color anom
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>>93299856
see me here >>93299845
thats literally what they were doing
>helping each other, never me
>oh this thing and this, don't finish or attack me
>i say no
>he can't use his spell
>gets kinda annoyed
IM FUCKING MORE ANNOYED. WHY YOU PLAYING LIKE THIS?
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>>93299891
I used to hate red because in 60 card it doesn't allow me to play anything past turn 3
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>>93299823
My personal rule #1 is to always kill the black player first (colour, not race).
My personal rule #2 is to always kill the group hug player second.
My personal rule #3 is to always kill the black player third (race).

Group Hug is like goad, despite seeming like it would be the opposite. Whether you force your opponents to fight eachother instead of you or you "convince" them to fight eachother instead of you, people know that you're up to something and won't just leave you alone. If no one else is the archenemy, you become the archenemy by default.
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rate my mill deck
https://archidekt.com/decks/8326466/phenax
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>>93299735
One of my favorite cards is Rakdos Charm. Specifically, the effect that makes every creature deal 1 damage to its controller.

It’s so damn funny to see people go from the smugness of an infinite token combo to dead before their turn ends.
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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
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>>93299760
>called a value booster
>claims it can contain 2 rares
>doesn't actually give value, extremely rare for 2 rares and a good chance you won't even get one rare
Lol
Lmao even
This is just a scam for kids, parents, and grannies
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>>93299959
for me it's the same rules, but in reverse order
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>>93299823
No clue. Whenever I see one at a table I in general focus them down as hard as possible. Nothing good ever comes from leaving one around for any amount of time. Same with stall players. They both warp the game in annoying ways.
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>>93299823
I play dragons so whenever there's a group hug player I demand they give me everything or I kill them first, and then immediately focus them down if they ever give something to another player instead of me. Feels thematically appropriate.
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>>93299959
For me it's the same rules but I ignore rules 1 and 2
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>>93299965
this looks awful, did you just grab random cards you had lying around and slap this together? there's no cohesion
you have a commander that wants creatures on the field but you have almost no creatures, how do you even win with this deck?
Just hope you get mind grind and no one has a counter I guess, doesn't seem practical at all
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>>93300023
>how do you even win with this deck?
I don't. It's a mill deck.
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>>93300015
You sound like a faggot
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>>93299823
In my experience group hug players fall into one of two groups.
The first group is simply terrified of being judged or disliked by anyone at the table.
The second group thinks of themselves Game of Thrones protagonists who will play the opponents off of each other.
Either way, the correct response is to kill the group hug player first.
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>>93300038
I also promise to kill anyone that doesn't pay at least 2 mana for my lava-field overlord, and always destroy the creature of whoever paid the least for it.
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>>93299776
Straight into solphim
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>>93299965
>commander demands creatures to function
>13 very high-cost creatures

I’m not sure where you’re going with this anon. Care to explain your game plan here?
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>>93300031
-_-
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>>93299823
I don't mind accelerating others game plans if they are behind. If I come out ahead in some fashion then that works for me.

I play gluntch in a G/W artifact deck. The deck overall isn't group hug, but I am giving away a lot of counters and cards. Generally that is pretty fine to me because I just netted two treasures (its never just two treasures though).

Though bumbleflower seems idiotic, im not sure how you translate this into a winning game state. You basically have to hate bear your opponents, otherwise every spell granting a card is absurd.
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>>93299823
The best hug decks distribute resources equally, then build their decks so they are the ones best able to take advantage of those resources. Giving opponents more of one thing than they can possibly use, then turning it against them. Think Forced Fruition or Folio of Fancies effects. Kwain is a classic for this, but Pheldagrif gets to play Green which is huge.

Other hug decks trade resources for growing their own threats, like various BW Strixhaven cards. Some red cards also do this by handing out Treasure/Food/etc.

Basically you should never trust a group hug deck to just give something out and then play the game like everyone else. Or, if they do, they are just a bad deck/drew the wrong half of their deck.
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>>93300079
ult liliana so I get lots of mana
then play omniscience and and enter the infinite and yeah that's it
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>>93300096
so you have no plan is what you're saying
the deck doesn't do anything
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>>93300031
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>>93299959
for me it's the same rules but change black for fat
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>>93300096
peak kitchen table strategy unfortunately that kinda thing doesn't really work anymore
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>>93300096
>ult a planeswalker
>no proliferation

Are you fucking high??
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Gay Bolas
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>>93300134
well she's gotta find me my swamps first
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>>93300063
Only one other player can pay for assist, roleplaying-kun
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>>93300156
this isn't the reply a sober person would make
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>>93300063
I believe you can only choose one player to contribute for Assist.
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>>93300183
>>93300183
Did you read what I read? I go around the table asking each player how much they're willing to pay.
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>>93299959
>>93299997
As a Black who's favorite color is black, it's nice to know who my enemies are! Now to build the most competitive version of decks that you both hate, because I feel it's fair, seeing what I have to deal with. Right? Or are you both now going to bitch that I'm defending myself in way that makes you rage?
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>>93300202
Shut up, nig.
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>bring a new cool jank commander to friends table
>win first evening
>everyone immediately starts brewing counter-strategy decks
>they all bring their new decks next time
>brought a new deck myself
> it wasMLD dredge
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>>93299735
Floowandereeze??!
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>>93300212
Make me, oh wait, you can't! And you'll seethe and reply to me for the next 50+ posts BECAUSE you can't do anything that matters to me And that keeps you up at night. Also "nig"? Are you even trying?
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I will now too target the black player
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>>93300249
wow wtf is this legal?
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>>93300096
Actually hilariously dumb
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>>93300191
Why would you lie about the words you said anon?
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>>93300257
Good. I love being Archenemy, it makes Victory all the better with the seethe that comes with it.

>>93300266
Always has been
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When playing black players, make them say their prayers
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>>93299965
>Omniscience under "ramp"
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>>93300478
>can be played for free via dream halls
sounds like ramp to me
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>green's schtick is having good creat-ACK
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>>93300533
you could say the exact same thing on how white is supposed to have good little creatures.

look at all those 2 and 3cmc U/B creatures.
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>>93300533
Grief is terrible.
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Any brews with the new Ass Creed legends? DOA set?
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>>93300593
POWERFUL WHITE C-ACK
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I started working at a new place and my coworkers are all into magic and invited me to play, I got a deck from them borrowed and it was quite fun so I want to make my own deck. I'm just there for fun and I want something wacky, I looked up all the archetypes and chaos sounds like what I am after but I want to make sure the deck I play is also fun to play against. I like random effects like wild magic in DnD but random effects have to be done right otherwise they are unfun. If this does not work my backup plan is to make a Wort Spellslinger, I also like casting big spells so generating bunch of mana to nuke opponents sounds fun, what do you all reccomend?
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>>93299760
>Kills Set Booster and Draft Booster
>Introduce Play Booster as a solution
>Introduce another type of Booster lmao
So 1 Play Boosters will not eclipsed Value Boosters.
2 It wont cause causes inventory problems.
3 Value Boosters will not be abandoned
4 It wont cause confusion in the marketplace.
5 Every booster buyer will be getting all the cool stuff
etc etc
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>>93299760
It's to combat all the complaints about uncommons being harder to get than rares.

lol.
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>>93300763
Cascade and exile-matters with lots of impulse draw. You get to do a lot of stuff and play a lot of cards, but there's a lot of randomness and you can't just hold on to your best cards waiting for the right moment to play them.
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>>93300533
this is vintage you snake
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>>93300671
I think the Naya legendaries matters one is cool
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>>93300671
https://www.archidekt.com/decks/8331917/kosmos
This is my working idea for Alexios. The only real question are the last couple of cuts and if I want the deck to be super weird by turning it into a Snow-Covered deck with just Rimescale Dragon in it for funny creature lockdown.
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>>93300671
I built the 5c Ezio deck, but still waiting for some lands to come in. I like cheating shit into play, and Thraxi on turn 2 sounds fun. He's the second most played commander on mtggoldfish
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>>93300795
What is the game plan with this?
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>>93300763
Proper chaos is the farthest thing possible from being fun. Stay away from any cards with the word random on them it's a pain in the ass to resolve them. Cascade is what you want if you want wild magic.
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>>93300941
Discard big spells, whether it's board wipes or chaos or whatever, reanimate them and make unblockable to free cast them
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>>93300968
What about coinflips?
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>>93300907
what the flyfing fuck is this? all of those requipment just make him benefit the person controlling him dumbass
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>>93300941
Nta, but I guess dump huge costing costing sorcereries like In Garruk's Wake or Goblin Game with wheel effects and hope they get through
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>>93300997
I was very choosey with Equipment that didn't add text to the creature and instead benefit the controller of the equipment. When he changes possession, he doesn't change ownership of things attached to him, so I'll be receiving the benefits.
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>>93301027
>>93300907
Do the snow thing no one will see it coming
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>>93300763
play Zurzoth, embrace group slug and hand disruption
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>>93299823
I enjoy watching other decks get to do their stuff while playing my retarded pet cards. group hug is also a good deck for new player pods too
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>general has namefags and passfags
>they DONT get bullied back into anonymity
Sad, many such cases
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>>93300923
>Thraxi turn 2
>Can't even swing with him that turn which is the whole point of thraxi
the 5c ezio makes me upset, I honestly think it's a terrible design
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>>93301280
just do extra combats
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>>93301278
This general had been shit for years. It don't surprise me none.
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>>93300984
Coinflips are mostly fine but coinflip decks are kinda weird and probably not what you're looking for if you want random effects. They tend to be more about flipping as much as possible rather than anything interesting coming out of randomness.
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>>93300968
What commander for cascade?
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How many additional combat phase cards should I run in Xenagod?
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>>93301428
maelstrom wanderer of course
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I do not like finality counters
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>>93301460
I think they're fine because they're a downside that you can get around with a bit of work. Making otherwise mediocre effects greater than the sum of their parts is one of my favorite parts of the game.
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>>93301444
You don't need them at all, I run 0 and the deck is a beast
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>>93301444
just this one
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>>93301444
Pic related is one of the few UB cards I like
>>93301590
Also good
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>>93301428
I like Averna
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>>93299823
Does blinking it reset the +2 draw ability? If so there are a billion gamewinning blink related infinite combos that work with this
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>>93301278
We do? I just use anonomizer and never notice.
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>>93300533
>first 4 top listed creatures on top cards of all time are green creatures, followed by a white creature
>next two are also green
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>>93300763
I play Yusri, Fortune’s Flame. It lets you flip up to five coins every combat that will either let you draw a card or deal two damage.

On one hand, it’s my best deck. On the other hand, I’ve died to my own commander before. It’s always a fun time!
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What do we think of it?
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>its a ‘we are all playing precons but one guy plays azorius control and drops rhystic/smothering/remora and counters everyone all game and spams board wipes extended episode’
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>>93301903
Damn that flavor text is brutal. Still Assassin's Trophy is still better.
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>>93301937
you guys decided to play precons beforehand or didnt discuss it at all?
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>>93301832
Seems very fun if you win all. Do you have decklist to share?
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>>93299884
same, good card
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Why do I never see this mentioned? Seems like a great shroud effect.
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>>93302093
Shroud is shit compared to Hexproof
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>>93302093
i run it in noyan dar, but for most people it's just going to be a more narrow lightning greaves
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>>93300671
3/3 with Havi so far, he's great for grindy games. Yosei Locks, Phlarg+Saffi combos and general flying beats.

Building pic rel as a Dimir Artifacts commander to accrue value over time and dome someone with Cranial Plating.
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>>93301949
We lost one of the greats anon...
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>>93302235
Seb is the GOAT
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>>93302235
>>93302350
Imagine if Seb was around for the fromsoft crossover set...
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I am building a white stax deck that is all the anti-ETB and anti-artifact and "all non creature spells cost 1 more to cast" hatebears and rules of laws as well as graveyard nukes like rest in piece. The goal is to force the whole table to play fair magic but I need a commander who can break parity. I'm thinking either Thalia or mageta. If I were to pair it with another color who would be a good commander for it? I'm thinking either azorius or boros might work too
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>>93301621
I liked this card a lot better before I realized he only untaps himself
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>>93299760
It's for kids, the demographic who likes pokemon and warrior cats
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>>93299805
>mechanica
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>>93301903
>>93302235
>>93302350
>Lost Seb (the RK Post of the modern era) because truckers were rightfully protesting Trudeau, and he supported their position
Reminder that WotC actively CHOSE to make the game uglier through partisan hackery.
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>>93302019
it's always the 4th guy.

>I'm playing a precon!
>I'll play a precon!
>I'll swap to precon!
>silently plays basic bluewhite bitch good stuff/control w/ no wincon

There really should be stax for stax. There's removal and counters for everything, so why not stax for stax?

>Whenever an opponent controls would have you pay mana or life, instead that player pays that much mana or life, or sacrifices that many permanents.

>Whenever a permanent you control doesn't untap during it's untap step, or entered tapped due to an effect an opponent controls, you may put a stun counter on that many permanents that player controls.
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>>93302235
Did they finally actually drop him? He'd been getting work thru at least nuKamigawa
Sucks, he's goated.
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>>93302446
Still very lethal in Xenagos
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>>93302512
Farewell was apperantly his last piece he was contracted to use. WotC didn't drop him because he was unpopular, he got Neilsened.
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>>93302552
Memory holed for wrongthink
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Do I just convert Loot to Dat Boi frog fool or make a new deck for the frog and get rid of mtg Pikachu?
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Best commander for white weenie EDH?
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>>93299760
They will fuck it up doubly so and wont match the price of a Yugioh or Pokemon pack. Probably a buck more expensive still
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>>93302608
Loot is irrelevant now that bloomburrow outcuted it
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>>93301937
I don't have any precons
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>>93302611
Myrel, Shield of Argive soldier tribal. She gets the job done nicely.
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>>93302611
oketra
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>>93302611
Odric
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>>93302611
Myrel without question. But pic related is less cringe.
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>>93302611
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>less cringe
holy kek
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>>93302611
All hail the queen baby
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>>93302988
>UBshit less cringe
Lol, lmao even.
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UB > Magic
Magic's setting is dogshit.
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>>93302611
I personally play myrel but adeline is pretty good
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>>93303120
Magic's setting is built around Magic's mechanics. Other properties always feel awkwardly shoehorned in because they don't map cleanly to how the game works.
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>>93303137
>Magic's setting is built around cheaply rehashing popular tropes from movies and memes so that the lowest common denominator can look at the card and clap when they understand the reference. Other properties always feel awkwardly shoehorned in because they have detailed and original worldbuilding and try doing original things rather than derivative trash.
Fixed that for you.
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>sol ring
>signet
>turn 2 pantlaza
>discover into savage order
>sac pantlaza, put gishath out
>swing
>etali and ghalta
>get nu kozilek and rhystic study from etali
>drop silver clad ferocidon and marauding raptors from ghalta
>get told to fuck off for playing cedh


I mean, that was the craziest fucking play? I think that is literally better than best case with two huge hits from etali and land sacs from ferocidon. Salty players were gossiping for 2 games straight after I moved tables
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>>93303155
what kind of retarded, uninformed nonargument is this? You really wanna try to argue that Transformers, Marvel, and Dr. Who are some super original high quality work?
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>>93303112
I'll literally beat you within an inch of hour life for shitting on the best set in years and defending a fucking literal non binary forced ESG card you fucking homo.
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>>93303165
fuck off for playing dinosaurs
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>>93303165
this is based and im going to pull this same exact game plan sunday afternoon when i rig my deck to do so
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I for one like the little critters
and I don't even want to fuck a single one
i cant wait to build flub and zinnia and get a squirrel lilliana for gisa
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>>93303177
The LOTR set was absolute dogshit. It was bad for the game and it was absolute dreck in terms of representing the books.
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>>93303188
Squirrelfaggots are the bane of this board.
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>>93303170
They're a hell of a lot better than cowboy hat world and detective hat world. Mark Rosewater has explicitly stated that mtg set design is built around following a genre's tropes first and foremost. It does not try to do anything original because if it does something original, the audience will get confused and not understand what it's referencing.
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>>93303188
Squirrelchads are the gods of this board
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i run
big sea monsters
dinosaurs
dragons
devils
squirrels

problem?
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>>93303223
If you also ran vampires you'd be literally me
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>>93303223
>devils
no problem here sir
carry on, as you were
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>>93303232
been thinkin about making this deck, shill me a commander
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>>93303178
>mad at dinos

How anti-based are you?

>>93303187
I've played the deck for months, and most of my discovers are never that crazy and that fast.
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>>93303165
Pantlaza player here. Your deck is gay.
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I FUCKING HATE SQUIRRELS
Pure fucking reddit tribe.
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>>93303260
reddit is rabbits
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>>93303236
you know what it be. markov is reddit
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>>93303215
when and where did he say this?
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>>93303236
I like Elenda. She gets big whenever you sacc shit, or whenever anything dies in general, and then when she dies she goes wide, so you get the best of both worlds. If someone tries to exile her, just use a sac outlet to kill her before it can resolve to get the death trigger. If you've got any anthem or lord effects, which BW vampires get plenty of, you can often end up with a big wall of 3/3s that'll generate a tonne of life for you faster than your opponents can deal with.
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>>93303236
>>93303282
or go voltron
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>>93303120
I disagree. Magic's setting is outstanding, then they started doing theme park plane hopping.
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>>93303304
carmen feels like a direct upgrade
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>>93303330
>3 more mana
>not a sac outlet
Room Temp IQ hours, makes sense with all the UB shilling going on.
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>>93303296
In one of his drive to work podcasts
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>>93302093
Auras aren't as good as equipment most of the time
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dude i love cards that are a billion dollars cause they dont have any reprints
xD
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>>93303354
thats clearly untrue for a lot of the most original mtg sets, however making something like alara is a fucking nightmare since you have to make 5 settings instead of one
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>>93303371
Alara was a bottom up set. Top down sets, what they've been almost exclusively doing lately, are completely different.
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>>93303215
that's also literally just true period, it's why the same repetitive tropey shit gets made year in and year out, people want whats familiar, trying new stuff nevre pans out
fantasy books that are too original and dont have forgey dorfs and woodland elves sell worse, because people dont like it
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>>93303397
>fantasy books that are too original and dont have forgey dorfs and woodland elves sell worse, because people dont like it
It's moreso the fact that their "replacements" are not ever unique enough to not simply be dwarves or elves. You also forget that these concepts existed before manufactured fantasy authors existed through folk tales and legends, so there is an almost religion association with them to the genre.
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>>93303370
Wasn't he one of the precon commanders?
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>look at possible additions to my deck from bloomburrow
>its all furry tribal
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would a player only be able to control one face down card with pic rel on board, or is having no name not considered a name
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>>93300191
Way to gaslight someone when it's very clear you can't read anon.
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>>93303390
Since Theros, yeah.
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>Domineria
>Mirrodin
>Kamigawa
>Khans of Tarkir
These are the only planes that are good. Everything else is theme park or cartoony trash, and yes, that includes Ravnica.
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>>93303370
uhm, sweaty?
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>>93303437
facedown cards do not have names
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>>93303465
I know they don't have names. Does legendary care if I have 3 unnamed Legendary cards or not?
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>>93303487
no, because legendary checks names
and those cards dont have names
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>play a dork
>it gets removed
>play a dork
>forced sacrifice
>play a dork
>board wipe
It's all so tiresome.
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>>93303498
this but with your commander
sent someone to the fucking shadow realm last week
>exiled in a farewell
>pathed
>boardwiped from me copying his mardu ultimatum
>exiled the spell on the stack
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>>93299823
I don't get why people have this view that group hug decks cannot have win cons and just sit there memeing. My group hug deck has a high win rate and wins either through damage or mill, without attacking and while continuously providing cards.
I enjoy it because drawing cards for everyone ensures a faster, more interesting game with varying plays. And my deck is constructed to deal with the threats. I never get games where one player is locked out the entire game due to mana screw when I play my group hug deck.
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>>93303498
As it should be. Land tutoramp is gay, and your strategy should have practical counterplays. Mana Dorks the the most fair method of G ramp to exist.
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>>93303498
>replace all dorks with ramp or rocks
>never have these issues
don't lie to yourself, you're never gonna block with the mana dork so why bother having the mana ability on a body?
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>>93303498
>Utopia Sprawl
>Wild Growth
>Exploration
>Carpet of Flower
Swallow the enchantment pill.
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>>93303517
Bullshit. I'm sitting here trying to get a dino on the board for 7 turns while every phyrexian across the table has some 20/20 germ with 8 keywords and the rules text the length of the epic of gilgamesh.
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>>93303532
Topiary Stomper, Springbloom druid, Harrow, Utopia Sprawl, they're called dorks for a reason. They get beat off the board. So just accept it; and buy into an ETB and landfall rather than a body.
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>found a perfect card to fit your deck
>it has ugly art
To the dumpster it goes. No I wouldn't even proxy that shit because it will always remind me of the original trash.
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>>93299823
Making your own creatures big and having card advantage that's unlikely to be removed is good.
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>>93303370
I was actually kind of shocked they didn't put this in as a reprint in Tricky Terrain. Seems like an extremely logical place for a reprint. Glad Uro got a reprint there at least.
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>>93303532
Gilgamesh is pretty short?
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Dorks I've got:

1
>Avacyn's Pilgrim
Kinda useless. I'm not making any insane turn 2 plays. Doesn't fit my theme. Probably needs to go.
>Birds of Paradise
Not on theme but it's the sexy anime one. Probably worth it.

2
>Otopec Huntmaster
Fits theme, has utility. Pretty good.
>Intrepid Paleontologist
Fits theme. Sometimes useful for grave hate or recursion.
>Bloom Tender
Taps for 3 mana when I have my commander out, but dies often.
>Goblin Anarchomancer
I guess it functions.

3
>Faeburrow Elder
Taps for 3 mana when I have my commander out, but still taps for 2 if I don't. 3/3 with vigilance is okay.
>Gwenna, Eyes of Gaea
Taps for 2 mana, inbuilt untap ability, can stack counters to become an actual attacker if it doesn't die early.
>Somberwald Sage
Taps for 3 mana but dies often.
>Topiary Stomper
It's a dino. It's staying.
>Wayward Swordtooth
It's a dino. It's staying.

4
>Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma
Nice discount on most of my creatures, plus a decent attacker with a nice utility effect.
>Hulking Raptor
It's a dino. It's staying.


I'm thinking at least some of these can go. They're all pretty decent (probably) but I'm just so sick of them dying immediately.
And like the other anon said, I'm never blocking with my dorks unless it would be fatal otherwise, and if I'm saccing my dorks in a situation like that I've probably already lost.
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>>93303583
I'd rather have fun games where I win over muh art. I'd use a card with a picture of shit on it if it was a powerful addition to my deck. It's a game, not an art gallery.
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>>93299884
Though limited in selection this boy can tutor some powerful cards.
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>>93303656
Honestly you can cut most non one mana dorks for land ramp cards if you're in green. Lands don't get fucked by boardwipes and removal the same way dorks do. Unless you're a deck like Jetmir or Raggadragga that plans to actually beat people to death with the dorks green just has better things to do for the same mana cost. One mana dorks are the exception because they beat out land ramp on rate and speed.
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>>93303370
hope they never reprint my serpent cocksleeve
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>>93303583
Same.
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"We're monitoring it"
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>>93303721
Some of these are really good. I just hate how fragile they are.
The deck is meant to play fast but I prefer taking it slow and staying consistent into the lategame. I should probably just stock up on land ramp and replace the most fragile of the bunch that just give mana.
>Avacyn's Pilgrim -> Rampant Growth
>Goblin Anarchomancer -> Nature's Lore
>Somberwald Sage -> Cultivate
I'm iffy on Bloom Tender. She gives a lot of mana for her cost, but she's so fragile. Anyone with a one damage ping is aiming it at her asap. Replacing her with a Farseek or something doesn't feel right.
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>>93303422
A 20 dollar precon at that
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I fucking HATE planeswalkers
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>>93303370
You are like baby....
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>>93303656
Goreclaw is the only non 1 dino-dork i'd use since it reduces by 2 and if your on Pantlaza its findable off her discover, had a game with both Goreclaw and Urza's Incubator up and my dinos just felt so free
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Cost reducer is pretty great for a ramp alternative.
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>>93303764
do not - under any circumstances - reprint an eminence commander. these fuckers shouldn't even exist. it was bad enough we got a reprint of Inalla in that secret lair (though the art is fuckin sweet)
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Would Bloom Tender add Red and Green for something like Spire Garden?
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>>93303806
Spire Garden and Bloom Tender have no interaction.
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>>93303803
Then ban Markov. Otherwise you have effectively walled off one of the most popular tribes
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>>93303763
Except my girl Grist.
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>>93303853
I've been writing letters to the RC, but they haven't responded
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>>93303853
Dragons do not need the Ur-Dragon to function.
It's not even top 3 dragon tribal commanders in power.
It's not even the best 5c dragon tribal commander.
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>>93303826
makes sense, thanks
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>>93303875
>I hate eminence
>but also just don't reprint that. Banning is unneeded
Please name another MARDU Vampire commander that actually supports the theme of vampires.
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>>93303875
yep i run ur dragon and hes not the most efficient 5c, but keep him there for theme and for some reason makes people sneethe
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>>93303862
Grist is easily the best planeswalker they've come up with in a while.
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>>93303304
I love Bart. I'm running him with Lurrus companion and its really fun
>>93303330
Your commander being a creature AND artifact commander is legit nuts
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>>93303370
>generic as fuck simic "play extra land do thing draw card"
What a waste of a good sea monster design
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>>93299735
Why do so many faggots play commander? I can't go to my game shop on commander nights without getting an erection from all the breedable twinks
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>>93303874
One day I'm going to kidnap the RC and tie them individually to dentist chairs in the back of seperate panel vans. Then I would force them to watch shrek. Over and over again for days at a time, asking them oddly specific and complex trivia. When they inevitably get it wrong, I'll piss waterboard them and put them back into the shrek abyss. Eventually they'll get the trivia right, and at that point I'll let them free, forever changed, with one condition: unban paradox engine and sundering titan
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>>93303862
The other artwork is so much better
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>>93303945
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>>93303448
>Mirrodin
Best plane and best blocks. Original Mirrodin and New Phyrexia had the best written stories, and wotc even had the balls to have the bad guys win in the end. Shame MoM shat all over the setting and story especially after all will be one.
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>>93303298
Elenda or vona are the proper choices because sex.
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>>93303448
Dominaria should be the only planes and sets should simply take place on different countries in dominaria.
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The only acceptable simic commander.
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>>93303448
>mongolia isn't a theme park plane
>fantasy japan isn't a theme park plane
>CYBERPUNK japan isn't a theme park plane
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>Hullbreacher banned
>Notion Thief legal

>Leovold banned
>Narset, Parter of Veils legal

>Fastbond banned
>Burgeoning legal

>Tolarian Academy banned
>Storm the Vault legal

>Prophet of Kruphix banned
>Seedborn Muse legal

>Biorhythm banned
>Shaman of the Forgotten Ways legal

>Balance banned
>Magus of the Balance legal

>Gifts Ungiven banned
>>>Intuition was printed earlier and legal

>Griselbrand banned
>Necropotence legal

>Coalition Victory banned
>Any cEDH wincon legal

>Mox banned
>Mox legal
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>>93304174
Most of those cards arent very similar, or are tangentially similar at best.
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>>93304196
Yeah Storm the Vault is totally different because it only flips after it's online.
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>>93303165
Well anon, like most people here, complaining is a lot easier than analyzing the situations.
You got a very lucky play which was by itself very interesting, and other players believe that is something you deck will regularly do.
I've got many decks of different power levels and there were a few times where someone complained that my deck was "cEDH" either because it had a high budget (budgetless Wurm-tribal), or over achieved because of a god hand (Neyali modified precon).
In those circumstances, if they start nagging (without reason, because it was clear that the average power-level wasantained between players), I tell them if they want actually want to watch a cEDH deck and take out my decks, even allow them to choose.
Usually takes a good old turn 1 Krrik to change some minds and return back to the game.
I also do this if the nagging goes towards another player , placed in similar circumstance.
People say they want to play for "fun" but are very quick to demonstrate the Dunning-Krugger effect when things don't go their way.
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>>93302509
>silently
Didn't you see the deck? Can't you talk?
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>>93302988
>gandalf white rider
>card depicts a black rider
?
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>>93304214
>People say they want to play for "fun" but are very quick to demonstrate the Dunning-Krugger effect when things don't go their way
this is why I just ignore people who are like
>ooh I don't like storm I don't like rhystic it's so op
edh players are children and they need to grow the fuck up
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>>93304174
>>Coalition Victory banned
>>Any cEDH wincon legal
This is the one that gets me every time.
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>>93304241
>>93304214
Remember when people wanted deadeye banned? Good times, good times.
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>>93304174
Why is Griselbrand still banned? Its not 2012 anymore
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>>93304174
40 life Griselbrand is nuts. This proves that thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40).
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>>93304264
>>93304272
Reminder, he should be legal as the commander but banned in the 99.
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>>93304264
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>>93304272
>>93304282
>>93304323
So a draw some shit for fucking 12 mana (i know grisel has never in its life been casted for its cost) when there are 2/3 mana combos that win games on the spot that are kept legal in the game.
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Dockside Extortionist, Mystic Remora, Rhystic Study, and Smothering Tithe should all be banned.
Not for powerlevel, but because one person misplaying under them loses the game for the other two players as there isn't an actual hard limit on how much value one person can give you from them (contrast Esper Sentinel, another cEDH staple)
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I love this mf like you wouldn't believe.
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>doomsday pile
>it's a thassa
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>>93303529
This I've been going 1 or 2 dorks max and a bunch more Land enchantments. You can lose them too but much less often and of course they chain together better cause no summoning sickness
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>>93304174
Notion thief costs more, is in an extra color, and importantly, does something that its colors are allowed to do
Leovold exists in your command zone and can draw you a retarded amount of cards through incendental triggers.
Burgeoning is contingent on your opponents playing land.
Storm the vault is an enchantment that you have to flip to get the land, as opposed to a land you can play turn one for zero cost
Seedborn importantly lacks the "You can cast creatures at instant speed" clause, which is what makes prophet go from "annoyingly strong" to "Game warping"
Shaman of forgotten ways is legal since you can't activate his ability after a board wipe to kill everyone at once without jumping through enough hoops to make it not worth it.
Magus of the balance cost 5WW and has to tap in order to get balance off.
Getting one card in hand in two in the graveyard is far weaker than two in hand and two in the yard, since you can't sculpt things to guarantee you get an infinite in hand from hellbent
Grizzlebrizzle exists in the command zone, has lifelink to offset the life you pay, and most importantly, gets you the cards immediately as opposed to after a delay.
Coalition admittedly could potentially come off the banlist.
The moxen that are banned were banned to make the format more accessable, since they were fucking expensive at the time they were banned, and are doubly so now. Admittedly there's not much wrong with them other than that.
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>>93304375
>doomsday pile
>it's 5 slime against humanity
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>>93304390
>Doomsday pile
>It's 5 basic lands
Best part? There is a boardstate where you can win with this
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>>93304387
>Burgeoning is contingent on your opponents playing land.
Unironically, I'd ban this but none of the others. Burgeoning turn 1 is game warping to an almost impossible to deal with degree if you have any form of draw or important cards to play for potentially upwards of 4-5 lands on turn 2.
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>>93304417
It definitely can be strong, though not fastbond level
Definitely in the top three cards that aren't on the banlist that were listed though. Not that that's particularly impressive though, most of the others are dogshit
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>>93304345
>Dockside Extortionist, Mystic Remora, Rhystic Study, and Smothering Tithe should all be banned
nope
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>>93304461
>Timmy refuses to pay the 1 for 4 cantrips
>You lose the game for this
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>Elenda (tried and didn't like her, felt I did nothing when I didn't draw a sac outlet)
>Bartolomé
>Carmen
>OG Teysa
>New Shilgengar (super cool)
>Amalia
Fuck I want an orzhov deck and can't decide, they're all coolxwdp
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>>93304475
I never pay the 1. It's such a pain in the ass.
>timmy playing cantrips
Come on man my creatures are 7 mana, I'm not waiting an extra turn to play it, and I might miss that land drop anyway.
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>>93304481
The one that is super cool
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>>93304331
This isna 2 card find my combo. It let's you draw your deck. You're a numpty
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>>93304481
Waifu Teysa
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>>93304481
I made a shilgengar deck going to be doing it's first real test games at the lgs this Friday. Sac and loot to fill yard. Ideally get a couple angels + mirkwood bats in the yard. Then ideally win off blood tokens being made and sacrificed. Also there is a 3 card combo with shilgengar, plague of vermin and any aristocrat pinger. New drana team up card seems cool to me
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>>93304475
holy shit can you dogshit retards just run enchantments removal?
how often is your opponent actually opening with rhystic or smothering tithe? Not fucking often, you can just blow them up
>inb4 b-but they're not worth removal
then they're not worth complaining about, use your interaction, run return to dust
>but what about dockside
the card is balanced, the greedier your opponents are the better it becomes. Don't vomit artifacts and enchants on the field. Dockside is like the friendly version of a board wipe, only instead of punishing you for mindlessly going wide it instead just generates mana for the guy who played it.
Complaining about dockside is no different from crying about farewell. Be better
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>>93304475
Why didn't you discuss this with Timmy. When he said no why do you not say hold on and then talk to him and try to win him over to your view? Do you just sit there never trying to politic in games?
People in my pod will sometimes do this and make a bad play and it is common for others in the game to stop them and try to reason with them before they commit to a bad play. Like blowing up some do nothing meme enchantment over a tithe.
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>>93304543
The discussion is clearly being done in the context of removal not being on hand anon :) no need to lash out at nothing
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>>93304481
Kambal, and the other Kambal.
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>>93304543
>>but what about dockside
also loses to counterspells
loses to MOMmy Elesh
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>>93304543
>Uhm just run enchantment removal and always have it
>2 colors have to run Scour from Existence to get rid of them
>A third can only do it poorly at sorcery speed
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>>93304475
lmao don't even pretend, you mentally ill retards see an actual threat on the board and you ignore and waste your removal on timmy's big scary creature
you reap what you sow
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>>93304514
NTA but tried this and it was just unfun and really weak.
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>>93304564
>Uhm just run enchantment removal
yes
>always have it
they won't always have their enchants, not a real argument
>nyooo I can't counter the rhystic study that's a waste
your call but don't cry when you lose to it.
Just be a better player lmao
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>>93304558
so your complaint is that sometimes you lose games to variance?
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Please stop pretending hate of any "pay X" cards like study and tithe have anything to do with anything but people annoyed by hearing "XD DO YOU PAY THE (x)?"
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>>93304560
This card actually seems so fucking obnoxious.
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>>93304594
I'm also annoyed by the one guy who never pays and turns Rhystic into 2U 'win the game'
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>>93304616
Why don't you plead a case to him?
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>>93304621
I try.
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>>93304404
valakut
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>>93304577
>Pay 7 mana to kill 3 mana enchantment
>After it has generated value for 4 turns and effectively already won the game
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>noooo I don't want to run enchantment removal
Then play colors that have "everything removal" cards. Anguished unmaking works on any nonland. Beast within works on anything. Stroke of midnight works on any non-land. Start packing removal that is useful against more than one card type.
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>>93303370
Why is he so expensive? I have the precon, and tricky terrain too
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>>93304689
>do thing draw card
>it's a thing you do every turn
>also now lets you do that thing twice when it is supposed to be once per turn
any land focused deck in blue is going to want this.
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>>93303763
Christ this card is pushed wtf a 3/5 for 4 with all that extra shit?
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>>93303710
I use it to get Mightstone and Weakstone in my Urza, Lord Protector deck.
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>>93303710
Never seen it used for anything but grabbing a sol ring.
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building a changeling tribal deck, what are some "fun" cards I should include?
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>>93304612
It's only as obnoxious as your opponents are. Until the tombstone stairwell gets dropped.
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>>93304543
>Dockside is like the friendly version of a board wipe, only instead of punishing you for mindlessly going wide it instead just generates mana for the guy who played it.
Most boardwipes reset the voard for everyone, so while they are useful for stopping one player from getting too far ahead they also kill your own creatures, leveling the playing field. Dockside is the opposite of that, since it gives one player a massive mana advantage that will put him far ahead of other players. And it doesn't just "punish you for going wide": even in a casual game it's not unlikely that all players end up having 3 manarocks out (pretty much every every precon has sol ring, commander's sphere, talismans and signets), generating 9 treasures for the Dockside player.
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>>93304657
meanwhile in reality at a normal table where people aren't mentally retarded
>I cast rhystic
>ok I vindicate it and pay the cost
or more likely
>I cast farewell and choose all modes
if you're actually crying about enchantments in current year you're just a dogshit retard
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>>93304878
>Most boardwipes reset the voard for everyone
cyclonic rift says hi
the eldrazi player who just cast all is dust says hi at least play the game before posting something so stupid
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>>93304657
it costs 2 mana on average to kill rhystic
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>>93304888
>names 2 specific fringe cases
Damnation, Damn, Wrath of God, Blasphemous Act, Farewell, Austere Command, Desynchronization, Toxic Deluge, Fraying Line, Scourglass, Organic Extinction, etc
There are far more symmetrical board wipes than asymmetrical. Even for asymmetrical, aside from Cyc Rift, you have to be playing in a very specific way to benefit from them like that. Your argument is stupid and you are stupid.
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Ate Rhystic
Ate Remora
Ate Sentinel
Simple as
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>>93304906
>cyclonic rift
>fringe
stop trolling, board clears are never symmetrical because people either use asymmetrical wipes or exclusively cast when it won't also ruin their board.
Unless you're playing with actual retards nobody is casting damnation and ruining their own board with it
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>/edhg/ fold at the mere concept of running enchantment removal
holy kek no wonder you guys call everything cedh you're all playing like retards
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>>93304913
Fringe in terms of how board wipes are designed, yes. Cyc Rift is not the norm, it is the exception to the generally symmetrical design of board wipes.
I also love how you decided to double down on being retarded and are implying that strategizing to use a board wipe when it won't fuck you means it isn't symmetrical by design. Wrath of God is the norm and Cyc Rift is the fringe exception.
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>>93304934
>Elvish Piper into Reclamation Sage
>Wirewood Symbiote bounces Rec Sage, untaps Piper
>Piper into Rec Sage again
Two elf ETBs, two targeted artifact or enchantment removals, two green mana spent (paid for by other elves)
Elfbros, we cannot stop winning
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>>93304637
I was thinkin' angy borb but that works too
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>>93305205
Man, fuck this bullshit card
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Post them pet cards /edhg/

This thing has been a house in every deck I've put it in.
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>>93305240
People waste their removal on this and I like it
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When does the foolish frog become available? I am so out of touch how product releases go because I have just bought singles for the last decade
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>>93305368
July 30th, when Bloomburrow releases.
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>>93305240
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>>93303165
almost as if fast mana and free spells don't belong at a casual table
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>>93304910
please don't eat your opponent's cards
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>>93305356
>cast this early game in my spellslinger deck thinking I'm gonna flip cantrips into some spicy spells while my opponents get fucked
>start drawing nothing but the most expensive spells in my deck
I fucking adore that card but I just can't run it anymore
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>>93299823
Group hug player here.

Real grouphug players have 3 gameplans depending on the commander.

1. Value. Is the game going to slow? You spend the game giving everyone mana, card draw or card buffs.

2. Defense. Someone needs help in the game? Provide them resources to survive in exchange for services so no one dies.

3. Full send. Wanna end the game? Force everyone to attack each other for lethal, mill themselves or inflict lethal effect damage.

Us group hug players like to feel like we own the table when stuff gets going and most smart people would know to kill these players first because they tend to be full of jank and can be relentless when left unchecked. But I swear it makes me horny when I give people card draw and ramp advantage and I'm sure other group hug players can agree.
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>>93299823
This is more of a political tool than plain Grouphug, which makes her acutally loads better imo. One of your 3 opponents will probably more willing than the others to suck on your toes for a minute for some card draw.
These political decks are jsut insanely fun to play with, its also exclusive to commander and one of the very few "for commander" designs im OK with.
Its still tricky to play properly, just boosting one player all the time will result in a weird 2v2 situation, because the others get out-valued so much, they need to ally.
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>>93305998
Thanks Anon. I might have to use this for my Blim Group Chaos deck now but I may need more symmetrical value cards.
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>>93300015
>>93300038

Easy way to pressure Group Hug and Political player is to focus them, and only stop if they give you something.
Just enforce your protection money, its fucking fun what it is
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>>93305527
filtered
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>>93305998
can you take someones lethal and throw it back at them or the table?
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>>93305998
Based af
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>>93306131
Here you go champ. Piss on the table
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>>93306167
could I use that as this happens: https://commanderspellbook.com/combo/1110-2136/
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>>93306131
>>93306167
>played Codie against a Kasla convoke player
>he copies picrel a few times, ends up with over 300 creatures on board
>fuck, probably last turn rotation but lets see what happens
>flip into Reins of all things
it was glorious
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>>93306131
don't forget about pic related
it's sorcery speed and expensive, but if you play it on a full table, it's usually gg
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>>93306199
Play reins at instant speed if one of the cards is being casted and it's your game
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How many counter increasers is too much? I'm thinking of building Nethroi and filling it with non-Xcost Hydras and the like, but I feel like having to keep track of 4+ Doubling Season/Hardened Scales effects on the board will turn into a headache.
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>>93306311
https://aetherhub.com/Apps/HyperGeometric
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>>93306311
im a +1/+1 counter player and i think doubling season is a grossly overrated card, for +1/+1 counters specifically. It goes bonkers in Superfriends, which is probably why its so expensive. but as it stand is 5 mana do nothing, i much more like stuff like picrelated. its sufficient to punch a hole through someones chest. and yes, tracking counters is annoying with Dice, i'd recommand a post-it block you can rip appart and write the new number down
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>>93302608
Is frog gone popular? I was going to try him out with eruth and wild wasteland and never have a hand
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>fucking great art
>vomit inducing font
Who do I shoot for this atrocity?
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>>93306399
Secret Lair is just WotCs way to learn how far their consumer base is willing to open their mouthes for them to shit in. Of course investors in scalpers are in for the treat
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I bet wotc prints more "special" version cards that regular versions. There are so many specialty products its vomit inducing
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>>93304232
>Gandalf the White
>is black
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>>93303165
yep, its naya time.
but turbo starts like this is why our playgroup soft banned sol ring
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>>93306497
They should have made orks white and good looking to contrast the change they made to humans
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I just remembered that Secret Lairs exist, I can't wait to see what stuff we get Bloomburrow-wise
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>>93304121
Tarkir is directly linked to the entire narrative existence of the core story of the game's setting. Kamigawa was too based to ignore. NEO Kamigawa is gay as fuck though, even if the set itself was decent.

Basically put, if it isn't about Urza/Mishra, Ugin/Bolas, Old Phyrexians/Yawgmoth or the Weatherlight, it's borderline worthless trash.
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>>93304241
1000% this. The only people that actually have fun in this game are those that don't/stopped giving a shit what other people "feel." Play what you want and make your own fun.
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>>93304543
Between 3 players and all of those being auto includes in their colors, on top of only two colors having efficient methods of actually removing them while still progressing their own board, it's extremely common to run into them. Try actually playing the game for yourself and find out.
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>>93304594
You have clearly never seen someone Tithe into a wheel. Even worse if we're talking about WU Helios doing it all at Instant speed.
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>>93304588
The complaints the people you were responding to are quite clear anon. It's sad yoi wrote 3 paragraphs to five words. You need genuine mental aid lol
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>table keeps using spot removal to clear my stuff
>have no non-land permanents
>farewell - mode max
>table whines about board wipes
>tell them it didn’t affect me at all
>play kimbal
>they rebuild, removes him
>recurr farewell

>>93304543
It’s often. Yesterday I had a turn 3 rhystic and remora, spent all game bored as he drew 20+ cards with 30+ counterspells

Card and mana advantage is huge. Smothering and rhystic are blatantly overpowered because of how it scales, there just needs to be ways to deal with ‘tax’ effects outside of removal on sight, as more than half the colors don’t have reliable ways to remove enchantments consistently.
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>>93303710
The amount of combo or value pieces this can grab is unreal such a great card
>>93304733
That's still amazing lol
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>>93304878
Dockside weaponizes against formulaic deckbuilding. If EDH wasn't a mana rock heavy format, the card would barely see any play. Just further proof that all forms of mana ramp is cancerous to this format.
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>>93304878
Board wipes equalize and dockside in theory equalizes. Not sure why that needed to be explained. And even your casual hypothetical isn't absurd lol.
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>>93304882
This dude is so angry with his life he has to spend his time coming on 4chan getting angry at things that there is no right getting angry at. It's actually sad watching you post dude I sincerely hope you get help for your mental issues
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>>93305226
The only people upset about this card are people looking to play absolute bullshit that cheats stuff into play. You deserve to fold to this.
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>>93304913
>board wipes are never symmetrical
Without a doubt the most nogames thing i have ever seen
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>>93305240
All of my pet cards have become expensive staples in the format despite being dirt cheap for years. It's just the nature of the game.
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>>93306757
>I don't need to change one card, you guys need to change all of your decks around me.
Treasure tokens was a mistake in general, the CRC was a mistake for being unable to ban things that was not made for the commander format
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>>93306311
Doubling Season should exist only in Super Friends, or pic related. Anywhere else it's just an expensive waste youbwere better off replacing with a lower cmc token generator support card, or lower cmc +1/+1 generator support card.
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>>93306800
Mana ramp impacts quite literally every single card that has ever existed in the game. Dockside is impacted by other players playing those cards. The issue here (on top of a lot of others specific to this format's retarded rules as a whole) is mana ramp.
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Political players are the worst because everyone knows and they just play along so the political guy doesn't feel bad.
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>>93306841
https://youtu.be/l5c1fWKIR0k?si=M_FSNUTJMnScedF8
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>>93299735
Wyll + Sailor background or Mr. House? I really want to roll dice.
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>>93306830
The problem arises when you consider how backbreaking Dockside against even the casual crowd.
Forget all the bullshit fast mana. Just think about all the sub 50 cent rocks and land auras casuals run for fixing.
>The issue here is mana ramp
Well yeah, the format is called Elder DRAGON Highlander. It was built on the philosophy of playing your Big Stupid Timmy Monster.
Dockside should have never been printed knowing such a philosophy was the cornerstone of the format.
Either that or it either SHOULDNT be counting enchantments (seriously why the fuck does a red card interact with enchantments) OR it should have only targeted one player, so it can punish the one guy thats gone all in on Ramping.
As is the cards way too easy to break and abuse.
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>>93306931
>I ramp like crazy
>my opponents ramp like crazy
>whoa this guy ramping isn't fair!!!!!! He used my board against me waaaaaaaah
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>>93306931
If you are playing in a casual pod, Dockside simply ramps into Craw Wurm.

If you are playing cEDH, Dockside is 1 of 4 actually decent red cards that isn't "Counter target U spell".
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>>93306950
>He's using my board
Except he isn't. Again, if he only targeted ONE player then yes, that'd be fine.
The issue is that he counts everyone. If the rotation goes something like
>Wild Growth, Talisman, Signet
Then Dockside ALREADY puts you ahead of the table, and thats not counting any stupid bullshit you yourself are doing.
People who defend Dockside always evaluate the card in some hypothetical vacuum and completely handwave how the ecosystem and play patterns of your average, casual, EDH table.

>>93306958
>It ramps into Craw Wurm
That's incredibly disingenuous and you know it. Theres plenty of cheap, casual budget cards/commanders that Dockside can ramp you into that are massive value engines and catapult you light years ahead.

Stop defending bad card design just because you have a monetary investment in it.
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>>93303165
>all FIRE cards except 1
this is why new bad. it enables must remove threats and now there is a critical mass of them that allows shit like this with their instant value etbs
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>>93306991
>Theres plenty of cheap, casual budget cards/commanders that Dockside can ramp you into that are massive value engines and catapult you light years ahead.
No, there legitimately isn't. And on top of that, anyone doing this much of an explosive turn early on deserves to get btfo by 1 of 3 players pointing removal at whatever was ramped into. Yes, even casual decks should be running removal, and if they aren't, they deserve to lose on the spot from a grind value engine dropping early.
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>>93306991
>except he isn't
>cause he's using everyone's
>which includes mine
Disingenuous and dumb.
>puts you ahead
Except not because the 3 cards you mentioned stick around for multiple uses lol you're bad! I'm evaluating it in the same space with your hypotheticals and.. it's not an issue
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>>93307036
Niggah if you play a turn 2 Dockside when everyone has a signet, talisman, or aura you can Turn 3 into any 6 drop Commander if you dont miss land drops. CMC if you did.
That includes shit like Miirym, which is Timmy as fuck but still insane.
Stop this retarded schizo babble that everything is Craw or CEDH with nothing in between, and stop defending this stupid company for making stupidly OP bullshit to soft rotate the format because Daddy Hasbro needs money.
I swear the people who defend Dockside are either shills, Nogames, or have multiple copies and don't want to see it crater from a banning.
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>>93306399
>great art
That shit is a hodgepodge mess, regardless of the quality of the texture and the coloring. Why is there a giant mesa sized skull that rivals the size of that 'looks like it was cropped from a photo and then filtered/color graded before dropping it into the art' castle?
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>>93307052
You are so blatantly nogames and bad at Magic that it hurts.
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>>93307073
>t3 6 drop bad cause red
>t3 6 drop good cause green!
I don't see the issue. Ramp is good for the format. People should be casting more spells and having more interactive game, which ramp allows for
>>93307082
>no games
>and bad
These don't go together. Your arguments are bad and you are no flailing around like a fish out of water
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>>93307073
>If you t2 Dockside
Implies you are playing last (objectively worse position to be in right off the bat), while having the fucker in your opening hand on top of it. Also implies everyone else landed a mana rock t2 as well. Your hypothetical scenario is getting more and more Magical Christmas Land as we go, Anon.
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It’s turn 6. I have four lands, and play dockside, getting 30 treasures from smothering etc

Are you upset?
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>>93307144
Why would I be upset?
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>>93305998
Group hug players truly are the subby powerbottom sluts of the pod.
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>>93307144
>Other opponent already has Tithe with 25 treasures
Not really, no. Moreso upset this retarded format starts people off with 40 life vs 20.
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>>93306786
don't project retardo, good players don't destroy their own boards. Any rational player will always be effective in their removal leaving themselves at an advantage
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>>93306771
>spends his life crying about a 3 mana enchantment
>is told maybe he should run enchantment removal instead of having an autism fit every thread
>NO NO NO I CAN'T DO THAT
uhhhh....ok?
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>>93307144
dockside on the stack, sac Emergence Zone. Flash in pic or Collector Ouphe.
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>>93307307
>Opponent spends his t3 playing Rhystic Study
>Any normal format would have this player eat 3+ damage from attackers for playing a card that benefits grindy games by his other 3 opponents, leaving him already borderline half dead
40 starting life was always dumb, and the sooner everyone accepts it the better.
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>>93307292
No you see I actually do play games and that's how I know your wrong. Obviously people do try and one side when possible but that is most definitely not always the case and suggesting so is hilarious
>>93307307
I have never complained about anything in this thread. You also again wrote 3 angry paragraphs to say two/three words. You're mad at life and it shows
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In response to the Dockside trigger...
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>>93307365
You're whining as much as the guy in the last thread, meds when
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>>93302235
>>93302361
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I have fucking spent 10 hours looking at cards but I can't fucking break this card. Everything feels awkward
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>>93307423
>>93307329
>>93307195
Always have it?
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>>93307492
cantrips, you draw a card to replace what you lost
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>>93307492
I'm gunna build him around words of wind and retreat/walking atlas combos to clear the opponents boards of permanents and then durdle til they scoop
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>>93303165
Sol Ring and Mana Crypt shouldn't be in the format now. Arguably they should have gone years ago, but now it's not like you're ramping into five mana to play Mind's Eye or Vorosh or something stupid. Five mana spells nowadays bring absurd amounts of value, often snowball advantage, and often protect themselves from cheap removal. Sol Ring just causes non-games way too often to justify it as anything else than a crutch to prop up an unmodified precon. Even then, current precons can absolutely dumpster even well built decks. I love the feeling of using Sol Ring as much as anyone else, but it's just such a bastard.
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>>93304753
elderfang venom
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>>93307492
I'm buying a box just for Dat boi.
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>>93307544
>Even then, current precons can absolutely dumpster even well built decks
Lolno.
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>>93307544
RC says they don't ban for power level reasons and wotc is too cucked to take over their most popular format and implement an actual ban list and competitive play to purge proxyfags.
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>>93307423
does mana abilities include anything as long as it produces a mana in its text
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>>93307667
the banlist under wotc probably wouldn't be any better imo
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>>93307729
Yep. Unfortunately Treasure Tokens are mana abilities.
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>>93307729
>>93307790
Producing treasures isn't though
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>>93307365
extremely schizophrenic post
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>>93307334
in a normal format someone would just cast leyline binding and exile it or counter it
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>>93307507
You always have Dockside?
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>>93307365
least unhinged timmy player
literally just run interaction
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>>93308301
My decks are nearing 25% interaction. You people are simply unhinged and in need of group therapy.
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>>93307144
>getting 30 treasures from smothering etc
If that were true the person with the smothering tithe treasures could just sacrifice them in response.
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Found my new Relentless Rats commander. Optimal? Maybe not, but cmon it's got "relentless" in the name!
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>>93308731
No titties >:(
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>>93308731
Same, so much seething, perfect for graveyard hate.
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>>93308731
I hate this set so fucking much boys...
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>>93308731
But using this artwork



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