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▶Previously
>>93295740

>TQ
Thoughts on the Offspring mechanic?
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This game is fucking shit.
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>>93300818
Thank fuck. Standard actually gets played at my LGS and I really, really don't want that cunt back in Standard.
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>>93300813
Leaf set symbol: The actual set.
Flower set symbol: Commander stuff.
Star set symbol: Special Guest.
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You are not going to fall for the Value Booster, right?
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>>93300830
I unironically think they could put JTMS back in Standard just to see how that shakes things up, like LotV getting reprinted in DMU.
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>>93300844
Garbage Booster
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>>93300844
*great value
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>>93300822
I think some people just can't be helped. I understand wanting to play with powerful new cards, sure, but like you said, I'd rather those powerful new cards have some interesting play patterns to them, not: "me invincible now me draw cards" that can slot into nearly every deck that has a curve that reaches 4.
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>>93300847
Is Lili considered a buster planeswalker? I only started playing in Amonkhet Standard but she doesn't feel especially egregious. I think she might actually be my favourite planeswalker design, now that I think about it.
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Ban him.
Fix Modern.
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>>93300894
LotV was definitely considered a powerhouse. Not JTMS-tier, and obviously nowhere near Oko, but she was still considered a big deal.
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>>93300897
Modern will still be fucked even after Nadu's gone
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>>93300844
These look familiar
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>>93300860
I wonder if being 4 colors would have changed anything
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>>93300847
I don't think it's even a hot take anymore, but Jace the Mindsculptor is legitimately not even a good magic card anymore. Just read the average two drop or three drop in standard that does more and has haste, ward, and cooks you breakfast. Jace is actually archaic by current power level standards.
>4 mana
>for either a single unsummon, or a brainstorm before it dies next turn
>+ is actually powercrept to the point where it's pointless to use
Game is just too fast and strong. It can only be oppressive when you can drop him and the game continues to play out for several more turns, not when your opponent is tapping out for atomic bombs every turn of the game.
You could print him in standard right now, and he'd maybe see fringe play in a control list and that's it.
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Dreadmaw in shambles.
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>>93300905
this. phlage would just become the next big bad
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>>93300901
Huh, interesting. Is it just because the powerlevel of Standard was lower back then? She feels somewhere between good and great in current Standard. Nowhere near Lil Nig levels.
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>>93300925
Do they have a keyword soup cycle or something? There was a white one and a red one too, what the fuck is this shit
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>>93300925
LOL

LMAO

altho it's unc
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>>93300815
Thanks for baking
>TQ
It's cool but probably not constructed playable
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>>93300938
They're the non-legendary calamity beasts. I assume they're just like this.
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>>93300938
Might be that, might just be deliberately testing out the waters of French Vanilla creatures because they figured this set might have more appeal to newer players than the average set.
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>>93300925
Why is flash on a different line?
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>>93300956
The red one is, but this one isn't. They're all uncommons, too.
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>>93300964
Because it affects how you cast it, and has no bearing on it once it's a permanent. This has always been the case.
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>>93300975
Wonder if there's an Odric-style keyword soup pay-off somewhere, or if it's just French Vanillas to fill up limited.
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>>93300987
>Wonder if there's an Odric-style keyword soup pay-off somewhere
Yeah, Arena, where you don't have to manually count that shit.
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>>93300975
It doesn't even seem good, despite being keyword soup. It seems fine. I greatly prefer this over the walls of text we normally get.
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>>93300927
only until next year
sephiroth will be the strongest creature in modern
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>TQ
Unironically the first jeskai deck ill build in years is offspring guy
i can just play goodstuffdudes but DOUBLE them???
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>>93301030
until the year after that when it will be thanos
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>>93301030
>I cast Omnislash sorcery
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Only in Bo1. Only on Arena.
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>>93301042
Marvel and Final Fantasy are in the same year.
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>>93301052
LET ME FORGET
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i for one welcome french vanilla creatures
i unironically miss the days of inktide leviathan
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>>93301030
You cannot look at this guy and tell me he isn't Esper.
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>>93301042
>>93301052
Inb4 Thanos can wipe half of the battlefield's creatures and can't be countered.
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>>93301070
If you analyze Sephiroth as a character, he comes out as broadly Abzan. If you had to narrow him down, he's more Golgari.
But knowing all this, they'll make him Orzhov with a WUBRG activated ability.
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>>93301086
>If you [gay shit]
Shut up.
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>>93301082
Thanos, The Snapper - WURBG
This spell can't be countered.

When Thanos, The Snapper enters, flip a coin for each creature on the battlefield. Odds is exiled, heads is not.

10/10
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>>93300844
I don't shop at Dollar General, so no
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>>93301120
His epithet will be The Mad Titan, come on now.
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>>93301132
That's not memey enough for MTG these days. So "The Snapper" it is.
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>>93300894
She was 2nd most played planeswalker after JTMS in non-rotating formats when she was released. She wasn't absurd in Standard but as the "2nd best planeswalker" she held status.
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>>93301146
Was JTMS even THAT big for Standard? I seem to only ever hear of him having been an issue for Modern.
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Why is Bloomburrow so low powered? I'm seeing a lot of cards but they will only impact Standard.
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>>93301166
we havent even see a third of the set
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>>93301166
because it's a standard set
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>>93301151
Yes, Caw-Blade is an infamous deck.
Keep in mind they printed a walker that cast Brainstorm in a format with fetchlands so that's important context people often forget about.
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>>93301166
The only formats that matter are Standard, Pioneer, and Pauper. Everything else is too tainted.
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>>93301166
>Why is Bloomburrow so low powered?
people say this about every single set during spoiler season
let see all the cards first
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>>93301205
Nobody said this about Thrones.
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>>93301030
Safer Sephiroth is going to be the strongest, but hard to obtain. SOLDIER Sephiroth might be more regular drop or guaranteed on commander precon.
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>>93301151
Come on anon, surely you remember that Cawblade was absolutely oppressive. SFM & JTMS being the first cards banned in standard in nearly 10 years wasn't that long ago...
>6/20/2011 was 13 years ago.
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It's crazy how much better the art is in Bloomburrow than anything we've seen in the past 5 years. Crazy what not having to cater to DEI shit can do for art.
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>>93300815
>giving tokens a mana value
fuck off , token spam is one of the biggest bullshits in recent sets and them having no casting value is one of the only mitigating factors.
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>>93301270
They're copies, which always have a mana cost.
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>>93300925
French vanillas in this set are fucking SAVAGE.
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>>93301210
People very much said that, at least for Standard. We were in the midst of 3feri and reclamation nexus and field of the dead meta.
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>>93301270
Token copies have always had a mana value. It's only tokens made out of nothing that didn't.
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>domain zoo? Dead
>yawg? Dead
>amulet titan? Dead
>izzet wizards? Dead
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>>93301270
they are copies of creatures
when you copy things, it copies the mana value
are you retarded anon
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>>93301151
JTMS never did anything in Modern. He was prebanned when the format was created because of just how absurd he was in Standard. He was the 2nd ever card to put up 32 copies in the top 8 of a GP after Lightning Bolt, was in 6+ decks of multiple PT top 8s, over $100. WotC was so sick of him they ended up banning him from Standard 3 months before rotation with 0 premier tournaments happening between his ban and rotation.
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I am planning to gift a card and I want a decent frame for it. Any suggestions? Something nice please
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>>93301350
do you have a card in mind?
in general, original print foils are the swaggiest thing you can get but sometimes that is not reasonable or possible
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>>93301350
goddamn yoji's art style is so nice
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>>93301359
For my sister-in-law
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>>93301197
pauper used to be purer too
compare old muc
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/307572#online
to this
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-mono-blue-delver#paper
I miss old pauper bros...
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>>93301375
right but have you got a card in mind?
what kinda stuff does she like?
a certain character shes attached to?
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>>93300938
Black one will just be a bat version of Nighthawk and maybe it's a 3/3 now or something.
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>>93301317
Yawg is dead? Seriously? Damn i always loved creature combo... I hate powercreep and rotations.
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>>93301317
One thing I don't get, why doesn't domain zoo just use flare of denial or flare of malice? You have a lot of smaller creatures in play
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>>93301406
Yawg himself is a pushed MH card so I can't feel too bad.
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>>93301151
>>93301346

I'll add that, at the time JTMS was banned, Standard had Ponder, Preordain, Deceiver Exarch, Splinter Twin, and Mana Leak. It was not possible to play a non-blue deck.
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>>93301406
its literally still a fine tier 1.5 deck
its on the front page of goldfish ffs
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>>93301360
Only secret lair I've purchased
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>>93301410
sacrificing creatures is a luxure not many decks can afford these days
if you sac the dude, you have nothing to back it up
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>>93301317
>amulet titan? Dead
amulet got 1st place in a modern challenge literally last week
it also had like ten or eleven 5-0s in that same time frame
the deck is completely fine, it's just not tier 1 anymore
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>>93301441
you werent supposed to post that
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>>93301317
Bro you don't have to make shit up to mock Modern, just say "Nadu lul" and that should be enough.
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>All this discussion about tier 1 tier 1.5 tier 2 and dead decks
>When FUCKING Nadu is tier 0 unbeteable
What's the fucking point lmao.
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>>93301350
I got one of these for my foil Ring I was gonna gift to a relative who loves LotR but in the end decided "after all why not, why shouldn't I keep it?"
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>>93301496
Exactly my point >>93301483
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>>93301475
>>93301441
One dude getting the nuts doesn't mean the deck is good, if it's not consistent it's shit
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>>93301441
make amulet titan great again
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>>93301503
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>>93301516
i unironically wish
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>>93301503
good thing it isn't one dude doing it, it's multiple different people then
like seriously, this isn't hard to look up
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If Nadu can exist she should exist too.
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>>93301540
hey...stop going against the narrative
last warning, dude
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>>93301544
Lurrus would be too weak to see play in modern, it's already unbanned on Arena and way way too slow even in that format.

I honestly don't understand why you boomers banned it in the first place.
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>>93301544
>Lurrus is a woman
I legit didn't know this but it makes sense looking at the art.
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>>93301544
This card doesn't look that strong, it's a 3 mana do nothing
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our data base shows that some decks has tools to deal with nadu, and lots of archetypes are seeing play so there will be no bans for now.

keep buying packs and having fun! we will continue monitoring the format and analysing data, considering changes, see you all in the next r&b!
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>People now want Lurrus unbanned
Yep lets unban Winota in Pioneer and let Uro out of the box in Modern, Legacy and Vintage.

Absolute Madness.
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>>93301821
uro has never been banned in either legacy or vintage
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>2 mana give other creatures +2/0
>haste
>still not strong enough to see play
Imagine playing pic rel on a board of three creatures and then cracking a fetch. That's 8 damage turn 3

Still not good enough
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>>93301835
dont talk to nogames
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>>93301821
Lurrus would actually contribute to deck diversity in a meaningful way since you can't run TOR with it... Lol it's too weak, there's no world where you'd switch one ring for Lurrus.
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>>93301151
It was a combination of things. JtMS was actually fine before Scars block because you had Bloodbraid Elf and Blightning to profitably deal with it (also the later being a bad target for Jace's -1). Once Scars arrived, the format had no real good answers to Jace who proceeded to take over the format.
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>in about one or two years The One Ring will be powercreeped
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mark here, companion will be un-errata'd in the coming balance check and that is all, nadu is working as intended
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>>93301132
Thanos seems like the kind of character who would get multiple cards, or at least one card in the main set and then another in the "Grixis bad guys" Commander deck.
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What if Nadu could be your companion?
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>>93301923
He'll get a minimum of 2. One without the stones and one with.
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Is it possible to play aggro without haste anymore?
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>>93301921
I want more Companions Mark, I'm sure you tried to make an Eldrazi companion for MH3 that didnt pass the cut, but you should keep trying... Maybe a comeback to Ikoria or something like that, but we should give us more companions.
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>>93301802
>Nadu reprinted in MH3 as a mythic
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>>93301973
mh4*
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Unban
>artifact lands
>Deathrite
>Lurrus
>Looting
>Jitte
>Twin
>Astrolabe
>Pod
>Uro
>Yorion
>GSZ
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>>93301821
>Yep lets unban Winota in Pioneer
4 mana do nothing outside a established board presence when Amalia/Phoenix exist. Yep, let my girl free.
>and let Uro out of the box in Modern, Legacy and Vintage.
3 mana to draw a card is tad too slow

>Absolute Madness.
No, we are just being grown-ups. Unban twin while you're at it
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>>93301984
I too, look foward to 2026
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pioneer 2 will save mtg
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>>93301973
Horizons sets always stick the reprints from prior Horizons sets on bonus sheets so they barely touch the supply anyway. A mythic in the actual set would probably be opened more frequently.
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>Still no Star Trek secret lair
What gives?
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>>93301945
Yeah ensoul artifact and humans
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>>93301987
Jitte, Twin and Yorion are so retarded as bans... Can someone give a fair reason to those three cards to stay in the list? Yorion is not even strong in Pioneer anymore.
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>>93302041
because they just simply dont unban things
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>>93301945
Play tree.
Is an aggro deck with a clear plan B
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6493893#paper
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>>93301945
works for me
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>>93302035
>Villains in Star Trek
Anon, I don't think this would be possible in 202x
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>>93300844
No, they're going to fail because investards and whales who make up 90% of first hand sales don't want value products full of garbage cards, they'll only buy lootboxes in hopes of finding the FIRE cards to sell to retards who don't know what proxying is.

The only people buying these packs will be uninformed grandmas and parents for their soon to be disappointed children. Is it any wonder MTG is increasingly just old men with all the young blood going to other less retarded games?
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>>93300925
We're rapidly moving out of "strictly better card" territory into "this is basically from a different game" territory.
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>>93300925
How the fuck can we suddenly get a set where there's no bad art? I love this.
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>>93302209
To be fair, Dreadmaw has literally never been good. They powercrept him in LCI and it was still dogshit.
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>>93301030
They'll try to make him overpowered but they'll fuck it up and he'll be okay at best, while the real broken card will be some random non-legendary they accidentally break like Summon Materia or Red Mage class.
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>>93300844
Wait, a 7 card booster pack? Whats the MSRP of this shit? Its almost unreal, that wotc is more jewish than actual jews. Selling fucking half of a booster pack
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>>93302138
I think the Discovery/Picard type Star Trek is a perfect fit for nu-MtG :^)
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>>93302268
It'll probably be about the same as a regular booster pack, since they're intended to be sold by scummy places that have huge markups like walmart.
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>>93302209
The set for now is "weak" ( i already can see BG/Jund food decks making a comeback with the new cards), but i'm 100% sure we will see the powerful stuff later will be probably 3-4 rare/mythic animals or spells that will have a heavy impact
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Have any of you guys purchased alpha/beta lands to play with? Do you like them or have regrets or both?
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I miss good sets like Wilds of Eldraine that brought cool cards to eternal formats like Beseech the Mirror, Bloomburrow is looking like a timmy edh set in comparison
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>>93302463
and thats a good thing
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>>93302463
it actually looks like a limited set
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>>93302398
I only play with my foil alara lands for every deck sry
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>>93302472
It is, and that's a good thing.
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>>93302463
>Set is strong, like really strong
Waaa waaa my format rotated WotC bad at card design, what a shit *insert strong card* deserves a ban, is insane is ruining *insert already shit format*
>Set is weak or more accuratedly balanced
Waaa waaaa set is weak, what a waste of time, no impact boring shit set, where are the strong cards? I need good fun card (aka powercreept) WotC bad at card design.
Can you fags stop the being so dramatic? Also set still lacks a lot of cards you already fucked up MH3 analysis saying was weak. Save your judgement until the full set reveal and even then you will not have a clear picture until the smart people start toying with the cards.
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>>93302525
>until the smart people start toying with the cards.
lol
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>>93302525
Yes it turns out designing a set at an appropriate power level to hit the meta without rotating the format is difficult to achieve under normal circumstances, and damn near impossible when they are shoveling out sets at this breakneck pace they have set for themselves
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>>93302035
Test showcase cards for Star Trek leaked a few weeks ago so it's just a matter of time now.
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>>93302525
You are describing two different sets of people who get upset for different reasons.
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>>93302525
beseech the mirror saw like no standard or modern play yet it became a key card in legacy, they should do more cards like that
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>>93302598
Wrong. There are only two people on 4chan: me, and the one samefag I argue with in every single thread. Everyone other than me is the same person, and you're only pretending to have different opinions to rile me up.
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>>93302568
Source?
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>>93302568
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>>93302703
I will not be providing a source because I'm too lazy to go find them and I do not care if you believe me.
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>>93302714
>Performer names on the cards
Fucking kino
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>>93302714
Where was this found? Reverse image search gives me no leads.
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>>93302855
I downloaded it from reddit a few weeks ago.
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>>93302041
Jitte is no longer legacy playable and absolutely should be unbanned in modern
It's far worse than Kaldra, Colossus Hammer and Cryptic Coat
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>>93302265
this
watch hedgehog pie become the next bowmasters
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Just Deserts
GB
Creatures 20
4x Iridescent Vinelasher B
4x Hardbristle Bandit 1G
2x Servant of the Stinger 1B
3x Outcaster Greenblade 2G
3x Freestrider Lookout 2G
2x Colossal Rattlewurm 2GG
1x Gisa, the Hellraiser 3BB
1x Gitrog, Ravenous Ride 3BG
Instants/Sorceries 14
2x Commune with Nature G
4x Cache Grab 1G
4x Desert's Due 1B
2x Dance of the Tumbleweeds 2G/5G/6G
2x Map the Frontier 3G
Artifacts 2
2x Silver Deputy 2
Lands 24
4x Swamp
6x Forest
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Festering Gulch
2x Soured Springs
2x Lush Oasis

First iteration of a Desett deck, inspired by the new Landfall squirrel
Big weaknesses are enemy lifegain, and cheap removal, and without Vinelasher you probably won't be fast enough to pressure most decks. Also a lot of 2 drops, but that's not ncessarily a bad thing
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>>93303182
>Landfall squirrel
The lizards will not look kindly on this slander
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>>93303198
ah shit, I guess it was getting fused in my brain with that new black squirrel
Cache Grab is still decent for grabbing Vinelasher or a Desert at least
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>>93301895
After RoE, Standard was 50% JTMS decks and 50% BBE decks. JTMS wasn’t “fine”.
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>>93300844
>Draft chaff is well documented as 10 dollars per 1000 cards
>These are ~2 dollars for 7 draft chaff cards.
33x markup is insane.
Garbage Booster is right.
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>>93302714
That feels like a pretty easy fake mock-up to make, and test cards are not really indicative of an actual thing. I can see a Secret Lair or something for Star Trek existing at least, but I'm not saying this is it.
Also why does it say Leonard Nimoy instead of Spock.
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Is it normal for copies to have casting costs?
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>>93303758
Copies of other cards have casting costs and thus CMC, which matters for devotion and things that care about CMC. Offspring tokens just have those costs listed because they're specific copies. Interestingly, Embalm tokens, to bring up a comparable mechanic, don't have a mana cost, because that's baked in to Embalm as a mechanic for some reason.
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>>93303798
However, Squad tokens DO have mana costs because they're just full-on copies, but the few printed Squad tokens don't have said costs listed anywhere. I imagine that being missing might have been what led to Offspring tokens having the costs noted in reminder text.
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>>93301151
In one of the Standard PT top 16s, there were 60 copies of Jace and one madlad on boros aggro.
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>>93303864
What am i supposed to think about this?
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>annoyed by the furshit in the new set
>realize they can't make anyone black or brown or vitilago if they're all furries
Not bad for once, WotC.
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>>93303969
Don't think, just keep buying product and posting about the game online!
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>>93303649
Test Cardname starring actor potrayal.
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>Play it
>Turns their combo entirely off.
>Disables half the ways they can re-enable their combo (Skyclave)
>Immune to the other half (Mite)
>Even cucks all their 1/1s with its 2 toughness.
WHY do people not play Hushbringer in sideboards against Amalia?
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>>93304055
Because I can't look at that awful art.
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>>93304059
Aint that bad.
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>>93302167
What the fuck are you on? I have more high schoolers in my LGS than I do 40+.
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Blue entry in the Valley cycle is a Prowess lord.
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>>93304220
Blue critter ascendancy
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>3 mana, THREE MANA draw a card and ramp spell used to make boomers piss their pants
Good god old magic was weak. What's timmy gonna do against a plotted slickshot or kumano + swiftspear? The fuck is Timmy gonna do?
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https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=5910&d=234265
I have had this deck bookmarked for over 10 years and am filled with sadness every time I open MTGTop8 to this page
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>>93304279
It's funny how you always see novice players overrating lifegain while mildly experienced ones tend to underrate it or discount it entirely.
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>>93304317
Lifegain is pretty I consequential right now, aggro rarely runs ouf of gas against lifegain
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>>93304314
The game..... has changed.
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>>93304314
>15 creatures
>Jace
That's so janky
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>>93302398
i use unglued basics because the brownout allows for slightly quicker fetching EXCEPT when i played legacy d&t, i had 9 4th edition and 1 summer plains there. the fucking summer basic took almost a year to track down and vet. not one person ever noticed, but i knew.
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>>93302041
I have a splinter twin deck waiting for the second it is unbanned in Modern, it will never see play because it reliably wins on T3/4
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>>93303864
>While the community explores Modern Horizons 3, we will continue to monitor the play rate and win rate of reanimator, as it has surged dramatically in recent months. We intend to take a hard look at Legacy in our next announcement coming in late August.

Please remain calm, the Legacy situation is officially Monitored™.
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>>93302472
Do we know if there's any bonus sheet bullshit this time. All the bonus stuff ruined OTJ limited
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>>93304220
>One card buffs Birds, Frogs, Otters and Rats
>Another card buffs Frogs, Otters, Rats and Mice
>Then a third card buffs Otters, Rats, Mice and Bats
>All on the board at once
yeah I can't possibly ever see this being a problem
good designs
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>>93305061
>>Another card buffs Frogs, Otters, Rats and Mice
>>Then a third card buffs Otters, Rats, Mice and Bats
These cards you made up just to get mad these are the actual lords of the cycle.
White is Birds bats rabbits and mice
Blue is Rats otters birds and frogs
Black is Lizards Squirrels rats and bats
Red is Raccoons mice lizards and otters
Green Rabbits frogs raccoons and squirrels.
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>>93305199
Damn, you're right. My sarcastic post pointing out how this is an awful design was wrong because I didn't get the random shotgun sprays of tribes perfectly correct.
I guess the shills were right after all, tracking complexity and memory issues aren't actually a problem!
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>>93302888
Post the link then. Because I did a search and all I found is a post from 5 hours ago saying that they got the image from this very thread, after you posted the image.
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>>93305218
The only reason I pointed it out is you listed rats and otters 3 times despite only showing up two different times.
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>>93305359
Damn, that's a good point man.
I'll be pondering it for days.
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>>93305224
I just remembered I didn't find it on reddit but from a post on 4chan with the picture behind a spoiler.
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>>93304055
Isn't Doorkeeper Thrull just better? Flash is very strong
>>93304059
bad take
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>>93304059
but that's one of the rare good artworks
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>>93302211
No groids
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>>93305061
Have this shitty excel spreadsheet I made because fuck remembering things.
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>>93305694
>Dear consumer
>Please reference this handy dandy spreadsheet in order to track your various cards and their effects.
Good game. Quality design.
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>>93305724
It's just ravnica guilds all over again but done way more messily.
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>>93300815
cute bunny
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>>93305821
>Choose
>Choose
>chosen
>Choose
>Chosen
this design is a fucking mess.
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>>93300925
>Dreadmaw in shambles.
KWAB
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>>93301166
Another fun casualty of MH3 power creeping the oblivion out of everything is you don't even get to see people brew around goofy cards like Freestrider Lookout anymore. I hope modern players enjoy playing vs Ajani and Phlage every single game for the next two+ years.
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>>93305879
>next two+ years
kek MH4 coming to your LGS Summer 2025
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>Play hate pieces for Amalia
>Haywire mite removes them.
>Play more of them.
>Extraction Specialist on Haywire Mite.
>Answer Amalia.
>lmao Aetherflux
How could anyone think a combo where the entire deck list is just endless brute force ways to get the combo and NOTHING else is acceptable?
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>>93305911
amalia is the youngest combo deck in the format and the most likely to get banned in the next B&R, it's not going to last very long
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>>93305911
Anon your Oppo can't gain life tech? Haywire can't deal with this and the only interaction Amalia decks usually have is the apparition. And that can't be brought from GY.

M'lady is here to help you.
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>>93305979
>Anon your Oppo can't gain life tech?
>Chord of Calling for Skyclaves u.
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>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/6506374#paper
we are back
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>>93306009
>6 mana or 3 creatures and 3 untapped lands on the field
>No interaction or wraths in case oppo waste all his turn doing this
And you expect to win like this?
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>>93306043
>Nadu on the field
>Insta lose
Next.
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>>93304314
holy SOVL...
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>>93306044
Yes because you do it the turn you're winning.
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This new set is clearly made with magic arena in mind with all these counters, tokens, and clones. This sucks
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>>93306096
>This new set is clearly made with magic arena in mind with all these counters, tokens, and clones.
Don't forget random vomit spray groupings of creature type tribals that are almost impossible to track accurately in paper.
If Yawgmoth giving protection from Humans is bad enough, there's no fucking way this will be anything other than a nightmare.
Party and Outlaw were bad enough and those sets only had one grouping.
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if the final fantasy set doesn't have tifa with big booba and shorts i'm quitting magic
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>>93306043
glad to see more people playing spymaster's vault, the card can be insane in some board states
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>haven't played Magic in a year
>go to Modern night with a enchantress shitbrew that I've been working over
>fully expect to win 1 game
>go 2-1, only getting wrecked by burn because I didn't prepare for RDW in my 4x Blood Moon deck
I'm having fun and you can't stop me.
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>>93300919
this is why i hate modern mtg, theres no strategy or skill anymore. just play overpowered cards that do everything by itselfs
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>>93300897
>this 2 weeks old card is the reason modern is shit
lmao
you guys are so retarded.
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>>93306211
Disagree, this is a very narrow minded take. The problem is absurd shit like Nadu or Grief but you can't deny there is strategy in playing Jeskai Control or Yawg decks, you have to make decisions and also having fun. Not everything in the format is "i cheat, i win" but i can agree they should make what must be done and ban shit
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>>93306133
Define "big booba", because she had big boobs in the remake yet you gooners still complained.
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>>93306244
By the standards of weebshit remake!Tifa has mid-sized ones.
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>>93306244
remake's great
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>>93306244
>Define "big booba",
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>>93300925
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>>93301069
>i unironically miss the days of inktide leviathan
Based.
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would you anon?
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>>93306379
You just know.
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>>93300927
>not necro
But still it's no excuse not yo improve the format by dumping nadu. It's clearly too strong, nadu is clearly the problem, it also had eggs time/tracking issues.
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>>93306388
The question is: who wouldn't?
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Modern WITHOUT NADU would be fine and fun, fite me.
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>>93306638
The Hasbro bottom line would be worse.
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>>93306638
anon, it already is...
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Unprecedented Recycling -- {1}{G}
Instant
Gift a card.
Return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand. If the gift was promised, return two target permanent cards from your graveyard to your hand instead.
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>>93306651
how much weight has hasbro on wotc idiotic decisions?
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Hivespine Wolverine -- {3}{G}{G}
Creature - Elemental Wolverine
When ~this~ comes into play, choose one
Put a +1/+1 counter on target creature you control.
~this~ fights target creature token.
Destroy target artifact or enchantment.
5/4
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>>93306679
>Gift a card.
I am honestly completely fucking disgusted at how the Gift section of the comprehensive rules is just going to be a horrible monstrosity of specific rules for every possible Gift
>A "fish" is this
>A "card" is this
>A "few life" is this
>A "racoon" is this
Some of the worst gat dayum ability templating in the history of MTG.
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>>93306693
>When ~this~ comes into play,
Enters, anon.
Enters where?
Stop asking questions. Just consume product then get excited for next product.
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>>93306696
Gift (Thing) makes it more flexible.
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>>93306715
>Gift (Thing) makes it more flexible.
This has nothing to do with flexibility and I have no damn clue why you would bring something totally irrelevant up.
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Hopefully get some cool good frogs, a lot of the real bad old ones in my Grolnok deck could use updating.
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>>93306718
It's a fucking straightforward templating. How is that relevant.
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>>93306736
>It's a fucking straightforward templating. How is that relevant.
>straightforward
>"Please refer to the comprehensive rules for the definitions of every possible word we could include here"
>>>>>>>>straightforward
fahahahahahahahahahahahahah you fucking retard
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Hired Claw -- {R}
Creature - Lizard, Mercenary
Whenever you attack with one or more lizards, ~this~ deals 1 point of damage to an opponent of your choice.
{1}{R}: Put a +1/+1 counter on ~this~. Activate this ability only if an opponent has lost life this turn, and only once per turn.
1/2
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>>93306708
shut the fuck up
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Trying something dumb out today on xmage. Just lands, silence, orims chant, isochron, path, counterspells, teferi, and grand abolisher
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>>93306753
don't forget that 3w legendary bitch
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>>93306693
Tommy gun
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>>93306739
Every possible word that can be included is already defined in the rules, because it exists on its own outside Gift mechanic. You're not very smart.
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>>93306766
>Every possible word that can be included is already defined in the rules, because it exists on its own outside Gift mechanic.
"a card" is not a game action and neither is "a fish" mate.
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>>93306756
Oh who? I stepped away from magic for about a year so im not sure who you mean
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>>93306764
Honestly it looks like you could portray most of the unit with calamity beasts at this point.
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>>93306784
A card is defined in the rules. You gift it.
Fish will also be added when the set is released. Every fucking type of token is there already.
You don't need to look up what a treasure token is right?
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>>93306741
This looks pretty cool saddly it is unplayable in red because there are soo many better things.
>>93306693
cool limited card, could put in cube.
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>>93306741
if red wasn't spamming all the cards out of its hand by turn 3 this would be busted but it can't afford the pumps so its worse than embereth veteran

if all you did was play this on turn 1, attack/pump on turn 2, shock + attack/pump on turn 3, you've already dealt 7 damage with this alone and only used 2 cards from your hand
too bad holding back cards can't win games as red because this is basically knight of the ebon legion in red

>attack as a 1/2, ping opponent, pay 2, becomes a 2/3, deals 3 damage overall
>attack as a 2/3, ping opponent, pay 2, become a 3/4, deals 4 damage overall
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>>93306838
You realize that not all red decks are RDW
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>>93306897
100% of red decks in standard have been RDW ever since fable got banned, its that simple


yeah yeah >"I splash red pips for a single spell" doesn't count
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>>93306656
>MTGO

This right here is why he's banned in the tournament. Nadu plays like ass on MTGO. This is less about game balance and more about TOs not wanting to have to deal with the admin bullshit that could result
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>>93306904
we had big red in ikoria standard
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>>93300815
>Thoughts on the Offspring mechanic?
Lost artistic opportunity.
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I don't know what initiative means.
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MY POWER WAS TOO MIGHTY
OUT OF CONTROL, YOU COULD SAY
BUT I HAVE OVERCOME IT
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>>93306924
the last time we had true big red
and I mean big motherfucking red

we had

>irencrag feat
>ugin the spirit dragon
>deathbellow warcry

all legal at the same time in eldraine 1.0
now those were the days
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Lmao are you ready for another year with monstrous rage?
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>>93307062
well at least ancestral anger is rotat-

>monstrous rage
>mirran banesplitter
>burn together
>cacophony scamp
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>>93306992
that means you get disqualified, anon. please leave the event
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>>93307108
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>>93307102
You rike it?
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>>93307121
He should go raise money for cancer or something
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>>93307132
i rike dying on turn 3 in standard even with turn 1/2 blockers
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>>93307146
It's important to sideboard life gain
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>>93306708
The only place a card can enter.
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>>93307167
A card can enter at least three places.
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>>93307153
What lifegain spell should I have played on turns 1/2/3 to be able to untap on turn 4
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>>93307172
the examples you are propably thinking are explicitly not "entering" in magic terms. other than battlefield
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>>93307194
Sorry, it was a joke since they printed that 3 mana haste creature that disables life gain
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>>93307062
>>93307102
I'm so tired of brainded red pattern gameplay... And this faggots keep releasing more and more things that encourage such decks to exist in every fucking set, is truly tiresome.
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>>93307207
haha imagine a world where greasefang and lightpaws both rotated their whole way through standard without a single viable vehicle or aura being printed alongside them until they rotate out

I bet we get some 8 mana vehicle that spawns a dozen attacking mice tokens when it swings, too
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>>93307207
Umm...flash flying?
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>>93307207
Why does everything draw a card now
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>>93307239
draw in edh is less consistent
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>>93307222
reprint it you fucking cowards
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>>93307194
Knockout Blow
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>>93307251
Rotates lmao
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>>93307248
You think you want that but you don't. What's gonna happen is that boros will become even more oppressive against other aggro decks while they cuck you with other ways
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>>93307222
SOON
O
O
N
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>>93307172
You have never once used the term 'enter' for anything but the battlefield in all your years of playing Magic the Gathering.
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>>93307263
Fog of War
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>>93307239
Because that's the only way to make dinky shit like this even a little playable, old auras that didn't replaced themselves basically saw zero play no matter how powerful they were because even trying to use them would get them 2-for-1'd.
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>>93307264
>>93307267
I honestly don't feel at all threatened by a 3 power haste for 3 even if it were unblockable or whatever
Red has had far better than that, Godric usually has 4 power and flying, Squee spews extra bodies and recurs himself

any card in a red players hand that costs more than {R} already makes me feel like there's a chance I can win the game against them
if I see;
>kumano, cacophony scamp, banesplitter, monstrous rage, swiftspear, burn together
I'm just gonna fucking die before I can get to my Ancient Cornucopia lifegain machine
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>>93307267
>Ahead-of-the-curve haster
>BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE
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Will blocking lifegain allow red to opt for slower but more consistent clock?
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>>93307333
Yep.
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>>93307333
Red was the #1 color in the format and used in slow decks that couldn't win until turn 7+ until fable was banned
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>>93307333
that's actually the problem with that card. You can take out Roiling Vortex, you can kill the fucking ferocidon, but this fucking thing? Even if you dont block the damn thing they will probably just autoshoot it just to make you unable to gain life FOR THE REST OF THE GAME (also getting the equivalent of a bolt) and that is very powerful when you are playing something like RDW with the amount of shoots to the face those decks have.
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>>93307369
>>93307337
>>93307360
But it's only a 4 off, will it be enough for standard? I'm assuming pioneer is fucked
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alright whats the freestrider lookout deck going to look like

>4x freestrider lookout
>4x iridescent vinelasher
what else is going into it
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>>93307399
hardbristle bandit
outcaster greenblade
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>>93307264
>>93307267
oh boi, boros and atarka revival bros, our time has come.
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>>93307399
Bronco.
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>>93307399
4x sunken citadel
4x demolition ruin
4x restless cottage
some amount of cut down/go for the throat
4x mosswood dreadnight
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>>93306813
>I gift you a fish, it's a 1/1 token
>no, you're the one that makes the token, so it doesn't benefit from my token doubler; you get to have it if the spell resolves
>I gift you a card
>no it's not like I give you a card, you just draw one
The effect is yet another misnomer, like how you can't see what's Foretold but you can see what's being Plotted. They're more like allowances.
If they wanted to call it a gift, they should be actions that you take as the card resolves, such as a bonus effect if your "target player does X" targets your opponent instead of yourself.
>I'm going to "promise" that you'll get X by targeting you with this effect instead of me.
>Since the spell is resolving and I targeted an opponent, it triggers the Gift clause and now I get Y.
Intuitive game design. I know WotC is allergic to it these days, but you don't have to bend over backwards to suck them off when their mechanics are more confusing than they need to be.
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>>93307399
t1: land, vinelasher
t2: land, caustic bronco
t3: pic rel, fetch land, swing for remaining 16

I fucking wish it could be a thing, modern magic is so soulless
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>>93307392
Bloomburrow has a can't gain life creature too that can add some redundancy.
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>>93307558
It's a silver bullet, I don't think you want redundancy, you just want the best one based on the meta.
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>>93307392
Maybe Kaervek and Ruthless Negotiation? but that's probably better for a black-only deck.
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>>93306696
It's similar to protection. The various forms of protection are different things, but they share a core element. Gift has various ways it can go down, but they all share the same timings and whatnot.
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First part of Bloomburrow's three-part Planeswalker's Guide dropped, and it's framed like Ms. Bumbleflower telling a story about the history of the place.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/planeswalkers-guide-to-bloomburrow-part-1
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>>93307673
>It was then that the greatest among the Calamities appeared: Wildsear, the Season of Flames, the Primordial Fire, the Scouring Maw who burns through the seams of this plane and the next.
She knows what a plane is?
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>>93307762
Well she is in a commander deck.
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>>93307673
Brief summary if people care:
Before Valley was formed, it was just Calamity Beasts and scattered not-yet-folk animals. Eventually, the sheer threat of the Beasts led to the animals banding together, forming a sacred pact that granted them magic (weaving) to fight back, which they did for some time, until Wildsear, the most powerful of the Beasts, arrived and drove the animalfolk steadily into the heart of Valley.
Lily of Valley, a farmer, managed to pull some power of friendship and family fuckery by tapping into the pact's power and fought off the Beasts, including chipping Wildsear's tooth (which became Cragflame) and sending the Beasts scattering outside of Valley.
With the Beasts gone, seasons became wild and unpredictable, and over-using weaving turned some folk into Beast-like creatures themselves. This led to the inhabitants of Valley to seal away knowledge of their most powerful weavings, which in turn caused the Beasts to return. They dealt with the returned beasts in a less direct way, instead learning to deal with their migration paths, and all the folk had a part to play in learning to live with them. Valley, over time, grew into the more bustling place it is today, and so on.
Valley, as a whole, is about two square miles to us, but to the animalfolk that's naturally pretty huge.
That's the history part summaried and I don't care enough to recap the rest for you assholes, so.
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>>93307762
It might just be used in a sense more of "this world and the next", just flavoured slightly.
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>>93307762
Knowledge of the existing of other planes is commonplace. I think the only plane that was explicitly blind to others existing was Lorwyn.
Fuck MtG is explicitly a multiverse setting why is this shit surprising in the least?
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Anons, lets tap to cast some big dumb creature!!!

T: G
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T: U
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>>93307852
Well, it's not commonplace. Some planes definitely just know of planeswalkers and other planes (moreso now post-Invasion), but a lot of them didn't seem to, or just never really thought of it. I think only Ravnica, Dominaria and Arcavios very explicitly knew ABOUT other planes pre-Invasion on a widespread scale. Kaldheim probably knew of them in a way, and Kamigawa's Kamis were likely aware too, but still.
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>>93306638
You mean modern horizons constructed? Nothing would change.
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>>93307863
>1UG
Uh oh.
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>>93307863
this fucker's name is Clement
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>>93307863
Yawn, they should learn from Nadu for Simic.
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>>93307916
Clement the Frog.
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>>93308052
Greencucks...
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>>93308052
>frog are all about returning creatures to hand to replay them because frogs jump
I...I...like it
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>>93308052
>you may
So this is just a 1 mana 2/2 at worst
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>>93308052
looks like shit.
A 1 mana 2/2 in green just doesn't look good enough. Even if he can bounce the elves that draw you one card each turn.
Will probably be good in draft.
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>>93308052
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>>93308052
I fucking love frogs.
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>>93308085
Only if it's your only creature, otherwise it forces you to keep bouncing things back. Interestingly, Mutavault can sort of keep its ability at bay by sacrificing your land drop for a turn because it doesn't target.
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Which one of you will use pepe frog tokens and get banned from a store?
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>>93308052
So if you control any other creatures, you HAVE to bounce at least one other creature. If you only control this guy, you MAY bounce him. Interesting.
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>>93307789
So it's actually Ravnica 2, except there's a BBEG and actual consequences for fucking with the plane's status quo. NGL I'm way more into this than Capenna.
>>93308105
No, it only mandatory-bounces "another creature you control," and it gets bigger. If you don't/can't, "you may" bounce itself instead. See >>93308155
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>>93308169
I'm aware of what the card says, but you seemed to be equating it to a straight vanilla 2/2 for 1 which it is not.
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>>93307789
The rest of the guide is mostly describing the world and places, but there's some stuff about the Beasts I'll go into anyway. Basically Calamity Beasts are broadly categorised into two groups. Major ones, which are heralds of seasons and great change, which are the named ones (and thus legendaries), and then the rest, the minor ones which are more 'living disasters but not forces of nature unto themselves'. These tend to be the ones that actually can die.
Also, Lily's obscene power MAY have been from being an old-time planeswalker. There's no CLEAR indication of that, but it's definitely something you could read into it, along with her suddenly vanishing.
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>>93308195
It's still likely more often upside than not, because bouncing a creature in the archetype that has a lot of ETB effects is probably useful, though I can imagine trimming down your own board when you're already behind might be an issue.
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Just realized AWBO is still standard legal and this shitty (Actually proving to be fairly good) Pioneer deck consists almost entirely of AWBO cards.

Literally just replace the Extinction Events with something and you have the best control deck in Standard. Fite me, it's winning games in Pioneer there's no shot Standard can handle it.
The only thing we really lose is Karn's Bastion, Extinctions easy swap out for some other board wipe.
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>>93308052
what a set bros...
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>>93308358
That's a pretty good rate for white recursion, right? They don't even get finality counters or anything.
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>>93308358
>Amaliabait
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We got rat.
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>>93308371
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Also just a random changeling.
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>>93308371
yo this is pretty nuts
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>>93308358
This is better than that black one from ikoria. Sure it doesn't give deathtouch counter to one but you can return more cmc to the battlefield.
>>93308371
Where is 6?
It is kinda shit, "hard" to trigger consistently. It might be good as just a ward 3/4 that eventually makes a 2/2s (or more if they survive)
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The story of Bloomburrow is so lame. It's like a single, brief storybook adventure without much in the way of ramifications. Oh, and Ral is there too. This set should've just introduced us to the world and its conflicts and major players. Shows how much one-set worlds have ruined Magic.
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>>93308358
>Better Extraction Specialist/return to the ranks

We need the no more lifegain asap.
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>>93308424
I'd prefer brief storybook adventures over wannabe Avengers Endgame shit.
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>>93308371
>>93308377
Trash as usual with rats.
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>>93308439
Yeah but it doesn't really give you much sense of the plane.
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>>93308439
>I'd prefer brief storybook adventures over wannabe Avengers Endgame shit.
No you wouldn't.
You say that, but if you actually read the Bloomburrow story, you wouldn't.

At least with the Jacetice League you have stuff to laugh at.
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This spoiler season has felt lame thusfar. They're really sandbagging the rares/mythics, which makes me fear they're actually bad and this set is weak compared to the abomination that was OTJ.
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Amalia is an honest deck that is only hated because boomers can't accept that combo decks are the only reason everyone hasn't moved to a proper card game like Yugioh.
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your flying soul sister is here
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>>93308358
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>>93308466
ENTERS WHERE??? THE GRAVEYARD???
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ngl senpai bloomburrow is looking like pure unadulterated reddit slop
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>>93308384
>Also just a random changeling.
It's not random. Return to Lorwyn is coming up. Which is also why we have hybrid mana and elementals in this set.
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>>93308475
You're bumhole.
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>>93308377
she looks like she fucks human men
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>>93308491
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>>93308461
Yes anon i think you should already consider looking at this cards that this set will only impact Standard and that's not a bad thing.
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>>93308466
>enters
I FUCKING HATE IT SO FUCKING MUCH
ENTERS IS A FUCKING TRANSITIVE VERB FUCKING HELL GOD FUCK THEY LITERALLY DON'T EVEN HAVE A SINGLE FUCKING EDITOR ON PAYROLL
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>>93308475
never ask who joe is
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>>93308491
The story is extremely vapid and shallow. We see basically nothing of the plane, it's completely devoid of worldbuilding and creativity.

Sad state of affairs desu.
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>>93308514
Anon it's the blanket change. ETB is now just Enters.
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>>93308504
That's the thing, a lot of these cards are unimpactful for standard.
>tribal
means if the tribe isn't up to snuff, it'll never be good enough for standard, because it's not going to receive set in any of the other sets going forward.
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>>93308475
Nothing enters the graveyard. The term you're looking for is "dies" or "is milled." Occasionally "put" I think, like from exile, but that's rare.
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>>93308464
this but unironically
leave my wife alone
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>>93308475
your boipussy LUL
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>>93308563
your wifu is made for pumping
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>>93308514
They have an editor, and the editor determined that six letters of type to mean the same thing as twenty-two was a good change.
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>>93308593
Why not just cut it down to one letter, E?
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>>93308593
Now there's more room for keywords!!
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>>93308593
looks stupid thoughbeit, is this like a cost saving measure on black ink or something
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>>93308606
Don't tempt them.
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>>93308593
Now we can put a FUCKING BIBLE in every card!! Oh wait...
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>>93308612
It's being done so they can shove more abilities on cards and make the game even more confusing.
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>>93308593
They also thought that "dies" for Saint Katherine would be sufficient shorthand for how the ability triggers, but look at where that got us.
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>>93308612
Space saving. Though it also aligns with howv some people would describe their play. "Okay, as he enters, these triggers go off..."
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>>93308593
>editor determined that six letters of type to mean the same thing as twenty-two was a good change.
If you are an editor and you recommend someone change a piece of writing from proper grammar to improper grammar,
YOU ARE INCORRECT AND SHOULD BE FIRED AND BLACKLISTED FROM THE INDUSTRY
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"enters" is just as gay and embarrassing as when yugioh started shorthanding the graveyard as GY
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>>93308630
omg le cat oven!!!
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>>93308657
this, but unironically
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>>93308668
I don't know why but ward pisses me off infinitely more than hexproof ever did
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>>93307121
I'm so glad Boogs is canacer free!
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Oh boy, i can't wait for every card to be "When this card enters..." if Foundations is anything to go by.
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>>93308668
shittiest scales
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>>93308654
Despite the length of some of the text boxes, these are not novels. It's a game term, shorthand for a larger rule. Would it help you if it were in a different font or bolded or something?
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>>93308680
It's because Ward gives you some hope you can interract with stuff while Hexproof never tried getting your hopes up.
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>when this card ENTERS
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>>93308424
I think they'll do more story
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The story was great. Short and sweet adventure tale.
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>>93308424
It's the beginning of an arc that will end in Tarkir, called Dragonstorm. A lot of people think that the hawk-dragon that showed up might be Kolaghan because of the four wings.
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>>93308692
>Despite the length of some of the text boxes, these are not novels.
Literally, completely irrelevant to whether or not the language is correct.
>It's a game term, shorthand for a larger rule
It is a transitive verb missing its object. It is a literal, unequivocal grammatical error that grade school children would receive demerits for.
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>>93308756
also now these fuckups turned off future mechanics for multiple simultaneous battlefields in a mass combat set because "enters" doesn't specify where
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Ward should've always been Ward 1. Even Ward 2 is completely backbreaking.
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>>93308738
>A lot of people think that the hawk-dragon that showed up might be Kolaghan because of the four wings.
I don't think Kolaghan would have been driven off by Ral
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Still don't care
Still not buying
Still not reading anything about furryset
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>>93308384
It's a colorless creature that is everything, so it can slot into any deck and take advantage of any [these four creature types] bonuses.

Basically, it's emergency draft filler.
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>>93308756
>It is a literal, unequivocal grammatical error that grade school children would receive demerits for.
In an essay. This isn't an essay. Look, man, I'm the kind of guy that would die on the hill of the Oxford comma, but there are different contexts of writing.
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>>93308778
[laughs in Frost Titan]
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Why are these cards so boring? Did they figure they could skimp on power or interesting effects based off art?
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>When this anon ENTERS, roll 2d20. Waste that many posts.
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>>93308778
ward 2 on something cheap can be a problem but most ward 2 cards cost at least 3 mana
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>>93308796
The MH3 general is two blocks down.
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>>93308788
>In an essay. This isn't an essay
No, you're right, it's a professional product produced by a multi billion dollar company, to be held to the absolute highest of standards given its value and status.

The excuse "Sorry bro we're just a multi billion dollar company with theoretically infinite funding, we don't need to hire editors" might be one of the most retarded things I have ever heard in this life, all of my past lives, and may even sustain that status for several thousand lives to come.
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>>93308786
Other examples of emergency draft filler:
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>>93308807
The cost of the card with Ward is irrelevant in regards to how high of a Ward cost it can have.
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>>93308788
they made a symbol for butthole mana but not entering the battlefield

designers are braindead
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>>93308817
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>Ward 10
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>>93308846
Seen zero play.
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>>93308823
I don't understand the point you're trying to make here, the original post said that ward 2 is backbracking but the majority of cards with ward 2 don't see any play, the ones that do, cost less than 3 mana like patchwork automaton for example
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>>93308630
Bloomburrow is fucking hilarious, I'm loving these cards so far.
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>>93308816
Of all the legitimate mistakes in the past sets, the fact that you're focusing on the purposeful design choice is bizarre to me.
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>>93308872
>the majority of cards with ward 2 don't see any play
Neither do the majority of cards with Hexproof, but that didn't make Hexproof okay.
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>Ward Sacrifice three cards from your trade binder
>Ward Exile the top three cards of your library. Your opponent can play them until the end of their next turn, and mana of any type can be used to play them
>Ward Open a Value Booster
>Ward X, where X is the current turn
>Ward X, where X is the largest mana value of cards feasible in Modern (correct answers only)
>Ward Turn a creature facedown, tap it, then put five stun counters on it
>Ward Skip your next beginning phase
>Ward Sacrifice a nonartifact, nonenchantment, nontoken permanent that you personally love
>Ward Correctly guess the number of sexual partners this creature's controller has had
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>>93308921
It being intentional makes it even worse.
Your attempt to shirk this issue by asserting that I have ignored others is complete slander.
I have very much noticed the other mistakes.
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>>93308935
ah so you're talking from a design perspective, my bad, do carry on, I thought this was about gameplay
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>>93308943
>Ward (Have sex)
the unkillable
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>>93308952
>Two cards that read exactly the same do different things
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I'm really digging the design in this set ngl
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Honestly starting to think that WotC are using erratas as a way of making you buy new product at this point.
>Oy gevalt, your cards have the wrong words on them, you need to get new versions of the same card!
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>>93308952
I counter this post
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>>93308424
I'm sure you enjoy your marvelslop too, but that doesn't make it good.
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>>93308996
SHOOOOOOT.
Damn shame I put it in the graveyard, where it's apparently a Spell so you can counter it while it's in there.
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ETBs should be changed to look like the anime TCGs
<Enter>: Effect
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>>93308975
Something something hash collision something something rookie mistake something something small indie company please understand
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>>93308371
>this turn
oh boy more book keeping!
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>>93308377
The sex eyes!
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>>93309067
Oh no, a single card that asks you to keep track of a very simple thing to keep track of that you probably won't play outside of limited anyway.
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>>93309067
Do you also bitch about having to remember whether or not you played a land for the turn?
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>>93309061
unironically better than "when this creature enters"
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>>93309094
Yes
But I just presume I didn't
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>>93308052
Ok but if I have an ornithopter then this is just a 1 mana 2/2 that grows every turn
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"When summoned (...)" saves more space.
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>>93309067
Huh? But the game client does it all for you.
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>>93309094
>Do you also bitch about having to remember whether or not you played a land for the turn?
Non.
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>>93309138
I think someone else said it earlier but yeah bloomburrow feels aggressively "designed for arena" in that sense. a lot of things that aren't really issues in a digital client but a fucking nightmare in paper
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anons, which one of these two lists to play?
please be constructive
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>>93300815
The squirrel has the furry artist snout.
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>>93309127
If you were a real editor you would likely recommend

>When you summon
As it solves many problems. First, it brings more terms into line with common syntax.
>When you cast
>When you draw
>When you diiscard
etc, consistency is one goal of good editing.
And yes, saving space is another concern, but not really. Textbox space only became a problem when designers started making ugly, inelegant designs. Elegant design solves more problems of textbox space than hacksawing off random words.
Still though, introducing an objectless transitive verb into the core style guide of your product is pretty much the worst of all solutions. It simply is wrong, factually syntactically incorrect.
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>>93308952
They'll just update the CR and the oracle texts so it works.
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>>93309238
>They'll just update the CR and the oracle texts so the cards no longer function how they read
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>>93309158
the ring one
I haven't played necro in modern yet since I don't have sheoldreds but I did play the archtype a lot in timeless, the ring has a similar function to necro, the entire deck is about dumping your hand and overwhelming your opponent with resources
even if you already have necro in play, the ring can be used for protection and drawing cards without immediately paying life, which can bail you out sometimes when you get a lifegain spell
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>>93309244
That's been occuring for almost the entire game's lifespan
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>>93309166
>these arts

Looks like SOULis back in the menu
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>>93309238
>They'll just update the CR and the oracle texts so it works.
Enters, pirate dude or rock.
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>>93309173
should we start a betting pool on how long "enters" lasts before they either do a proper reformatting or just give up and go back to "enters the battlefield"
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>>93309238
>They'll just update the CR and the oracle texts so it works.
You know what they say...

IF IT AIN'T BROKE,
FIX IT UNTIL IT IS!
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>>93309244
https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_obsolete_terminology
That's a feature, not a bug.
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>>93309292
What are you talking about? They're literally re-using the exact same wording except only one of the cards is getting an errata. This might be the most retarded errata in the history of the game.
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>>93309292
It is, in fact, a bug.
A good designer ought to aim for wording updates to be kept to an absolute minimum.
The ideal is for a card's text in paper to match the Oracle 100% accurately for all time into the future.
Failing this, it should be as accurate as possible for as long as possible.

Bad design is arbitrarily changing things for little to no reason, or worse yet for a detrimental reason like facilitating complexity creep.
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ETB should have been
>When you summon

Dies should have been changed to
>When you bury
to match.

Prove me wrong.
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>>93309307
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>E Trigger
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>>93309319
Changing the wording templating has a net complexity reduction.
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>>93309334
They're Palliation Counters now, chud.
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>>93308630
Activate what??? I’m totally not playing dumb in bad faith!!!
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>>93309349
...Yes, anon. That's the point I was making. Do you want a cookie?
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>>93309342
>Changing the wording templating has a net complexity reduction.
No it fucking doesn't.
What kind of cosmic black hole of rectal retardation did you pull that one out of?
In fact, removing needed information from transitive verbs INCREASES complexity by demanding players know ex nihilo what that is referring to.
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>Hmm MaRo I think cards have too many words on them
Okay, we'll remove a bunch of constantly repeated words
>Great, now cards will have less words on them!
And with all the space we just freed up we can put more words on cards!
>Wait no
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>>93309356
I'm beginning to think you may have a learning disability
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>>93308756
You knock on a door. The person in the room says “you may enter”. Are you confused as to what you’re being permitted to enter? Do you get on their ass about trans verbs?
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>>93309370
Pot, kettle.
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>>93309377
No, not really.
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>>93309371
>You knock on a door. The person in the room says “you may enter”. Are you confused as to what you’re being permitted to enter? Do you get on their ass about trans verbs?
Imperative sentence structures are dissimilar to what is being discussed.
Nice try though.
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>level up creatures use level counters
>class enchantments have levels but don't use level counters
AAAAAAAAAAA ONE WORD HAVING TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS????
I'M GOING INSANE
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I wonder what this idiot's reaction was when they added Haste or Vigilance
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>>93309389
>>93309393
Coping and seething brainlets with minimal grammatical knowledge or language comprehension.
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>>93309330
upon summoning is less wordy
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>>93309400
Buddy your entire argument is that you, personally, don't have language comprehension.
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>>93309158
Personally I play the Ring version just because I have them, not because it's necessarily better.
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>>93309412
>It makes sense to me.
Is not the same as
>I understand why it makes sense.
Your post just implied you have not read even a single sentence about the basics of linguistics or grammar.
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LORE COUNTERS? ON AN ENCHANTMENT? WHY ISN'T IT A SAGA? THOSE USE LORE COUNTERS, AND THE SAME THING CAN'T HAVE MULTIPLE DIFFERENT USES REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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This seems like a scam/insta cancel but if anyone wants to gamble a shop put up 23 inkshields for a buck a piece.
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>>93309426
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dumb frogposter
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>>93309470
What's wrong with the frogs?
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>>93309483
nothing
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>>93309425
It is funny to me that you continue to not understand how wrong you are yet post as though you are right
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>>93309504
I'll continue to frogpost, then
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>>93309483
>Kicker
:/
>notKicker
:o
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>>93309577
Elaborate.
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>>93309483
It's a bit weird that they're still using reminder text for stun counters but not finality counters, since the former has been used in the game far more often than the latter.
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>>93309582
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>>93309586
This whole thread has been offering you elaboration. If you can't get it by now, that's on you.
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To replace "enters" they should just have a tiny, incredibly detailed sole of a women's foot
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>>93309615
No, no. I want to hear it.
How am I wrong, specify please.
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>>93309632
Are you stupid?
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>>93309637
Be quiet.
Let the man cook.
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>>93309637
A picture is worth a thousand words, they can fit even more words if they use nothing but them
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Cards shouldn't have words at all. The rules text should just be hieroglyphs depicting a story of what the card does. Maybe for special cards they can upgrade to "Shaka, when the walls fell" style rules text.
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>>93309652
>A picture is worth a thousand words, they can fit even more words if they use nothing but them
Wingdings textboxes are the future.
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>>93309668
QR code that links to a video tutorial of how the card works
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>>93309701
>ad revenue via CMP
Don't give Wizards ideas.
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It's gonna be a thing on modal spells in non-animal sets.
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>>93309719
>Choose two
>Draw two cards
>Create a token that's a copy of target artifact or creature you control.
>Return each nonland, nontoken permanent to its owner's hand.
I love how this is just absurdly overcomplicated for what is barely more interesting than a regular ass modal spell.
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>>93309732
You cannot choose two 3rd modes.
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>>93309719
It won't, simply because it's too much math for people like >>93309732
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>>93309745
Yeah, you can't in my example either.

I mean yeah you can draw five whole cards off the shitty paw version. Fucking boring. Accomplishes very little, design wise.
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>>93309732
You can draw 5, draw 3 and copy 1, draw 1 and copy 2 or copy a token and bounce everything, this is way more flexible than any modal spell we've had before.
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>>93309760
You can also draw 2 and bounce
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>>93309756
It's not too much math.
It's too much unnecessary math.
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Is it just one dude that's LARPing as a fucking brainlet?
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>>93309719
It should be an instant
Even six mana is glacial slow in Standard for fuck sake
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>>93309760
>this is way more flexible than any modal spell we've had before.
That is not a good thing.
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>>93309782
>you should be able to wipe the board clean at instant speed
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>>93309719
The next time we're on Theros I guarantee this mechanic will be there except the amount of value will be equal to devotion to X instead of a set number. It's a perfect representation of devotion empowering the gods.
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>>93309787
That ship has sailed a longass time ago, we're accelerating to the bottom now.
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>>93309599
They tend to use reminder text on lower rarity cards. Finality counters so far have only shown up on higher rarity cards in this set, but I'm sure some uncommon stuff will have one or two with reminder text.
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>>93309789
Yes, that's what i said
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>>93309483
This thing seems overcosted. Even in a proliferate meme deck you will be doing so much more busted shit you don't have room for it.
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Anyway here's the coolest-looking character in this set.
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>>93309826
It's draft chaff.
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>>93309789
White can
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>>93309837
$10 says this is a fursona of someone at wotc
Also,
>cheating out spells
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oh jjoj the selesnya buyny tribal is real
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>>93309837
Seems like it can cause some shenanigans.
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That chimil cultivator colossus deck on arena felt like playing yugioh again.
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>>93309837
>doesn't shuffle the exiled lands back
Bug or feature?
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>>93309837
>menace

EDH design

>combat damage
EDH design

>cheating out spells
EDH design

>cast from Exile in rakdos colours
EDH design
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>>93309870
I love that rabbits are all psychopaths.
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>>93309837
Is Madness coming back in Duskmourn
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>>93309837
lol
lmao even
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>>93309870
It's time for Pioneer to shine again.
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>>93309905
I think the general ruling is that if it's just until it hits the first nonland, it doesn't shuffle the lands back. If it's until it hits a specified thing, like cascade/discover, it shuffles the rest back (usually).
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>>93309837
what can we cheat out in standard? atraxa?
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>>93309931
I never see this and Bronco in the same deck.
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>>93309968
because there's no card that's a sure kill with it, the highest mana cost in most formats is like 16
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Hey look a card that would be great in Standard if Sunfall wasn't around.
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>>93309931
why can't you target yourself twice with this?
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>>93310014
Because you are not two people.
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And a skunk with the now-very-regular effect of killing something that's already hurt. Do we have a name for this effect yet?
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>>93309870
Why is this set so fucking kino bros?
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>>93310057
This effect is not new at all for assassin's. The majority of assassin's prior to Assassin's Creed UB destroyed tapped things or things dealt damage.
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>>93310105
Average 4chan reading comprehension
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>>93310032
You sure about that, anon?
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>>93310105
I meant it's become almost every set we've seen it now. Wasn't very common prior.
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>>93309760
>>93309770
you can also skip the extra draws (it says "up to 5"), if there's some scenario where you'd want to give up free draws. so technically it's even more flexible than it already looks on paper.
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>>93310032
the new brew that will dominate pioqueer
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>>93310158
Conjoined twins are two separate people, still. They would not be two players as one. Even in Two-Headed Giant, they'd be separate players.
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>>93302002
You spam this every thread but imagine today's Standard (as much as it sucks, it's just Kamigawa constructed) and now imagine the next four years of broken cards. Might as well play Explorer itself.
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>>93310194
A lot of the bullshit is out anon and a lot of the old bullshit like Eldraine, like Ikoria, like Theros is out.
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>>93310194
>imagine today's standard and the next four years of broken cards
>might as well play explorer
brother I beg you to reconsider what you just said because it doesn't make any goddamn sense
99% of the complains in pioneer/explorer are about cards that wouldn't be legal in this new format
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>>93310242
rakdos is pretty much there outside of sor&tell
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>>93310194
>No Fatal Push
>No Thoughtseize
>No Nykthos
>No Sorin
>No Companions
>No Treasure Cruise
>No Phoenix
>No Wildgrowth Walker
>No 5 mana Teferi
>No Lotus Field
>No Mutavault
>No AFR Manlands

It would be a very different format from Explorer
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>>93310307
>No Wildgrowth Walker
>No 5 mana Teferi
>No Sorin
>No Treasure Cruise
>NO THOUGHTSEIZE
GOD PLEASE TAKE ME THERE
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>>93310272
it is there without fatal push and thoughtseize + another 4 years worth of standard cards
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>>93306708
>"When Bill enters everyone jump out and shout 'Happy Birthday!'"
>"eNteRS wHErE?!"
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>>93310380
>>93310380
>>93310380
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>>93309091
what is nadu targets at again?
it's shit design and one day there will be a critical mass where every card requires this babysitting
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>>93309166
you would know
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>>93309837
SEX
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>>93308101
Same bro
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wow now that wotc has no one they can race change or make into a fat lesbian the artists are allowed to make good art for the game again
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>>93301121
Would unironically buy them at 1 buck and improvise a draft format.
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>>93305199
No Weasel? :(



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