When did you finally learn to love their aesthetic?
>>93768249Nope. But when you're not talking about them or doing anything with them ... it doesn't come up.
I never liked the grills the old marines had. I guess thats one good thing I can say about new marines.
I don't hae primaris for their look, I hate them for what they are and their lore diarrhea.
>>93768249They will always look out of place while the old marines still around. They need to axe one or the other.
>>93768305They've effectively replaced them in every way that matters. Who is still collecting the old ones?
>>93768249The primaris helmets are almost really good but it's just something about them that's fucked upBeakie helmets are still peak
>>93768286I'm sorry for your tastes
>>93768453why? GW seems to think its right.
>>93768249>When did you finally learn to love their aesthetic?Only the body armour. Not the helmet. Personally they should have mimicked the Mk3 helmet. There's a reason why Primaris sculpts are vastly improved with a little headswap.
>>93768249Primaris marine design was the lowest amount of effort GW had ever put into making marine kits until they made the heresy infantry squads
>>93768249Havn't yet. I doubt I ever will.
>>93768359Proper marine fans.
>>93768462>using GW to justify poor tasteI seriously hope you guys don't do this.
>>93768436>>93768479Prim helmets are literally the best they've ever looked. If you don't think so, there's something wrong with you.
>>93769390Trolling is against the rules outside /b/
>>93768249fuck you
>>93768249>When did you finally learn to love their aesthetic?When I found third party companies that made better looking shit to glue on them.
>>93768249they don't look any different than marinelets to me, just a side-step with bigger proportion, all the people who see them as different are being hypocritical and applying more value to older marines simply because they used to be the status quothe disgust they project onto primaris is the same non-marinefags had for marines all along
I was never opposed to them in the first place.Crying the bitch niggas about range refreshes is pathetic.
>>93768249I really liked the looks ince that first leaked photo.
>>93768249Never have. Never will. Modern Warfare skin-tier poofery, anything good about them is stolen from oldmarines, and worse now they're trying to "distance" real marines in 30K from 40K primaritrannies by redesigning all the armour marks to look shittier.If someone gave me a button and told me that I'd be functionally immortal so long as I possessed it without pressing it, but that if I pressed it every trace of primaritrannies and their gormless fans would be erased from reality forever they wouldn't even finish talking before I started mashing the shit out of it.Sincerely, die.
>TacticusGreat if you swap the hockey mask out for anything else (The knight helmets in the BT kit especially). Could be better if there was more variety between models.>GravisOkay but hews a little too close to Starcraft marines. Aggressors are just straight up Firebats.>PhobosUnsalvageable tryhard garbage that's thankfully rendered irrelevant by the new Scout kit.The real issue with Primaris is the bloated, money-laundering mess that is the unit lineup. There is no reason Bolters, Plasma Guns, etc. should be balkanized into their own Aspect Warrior type units other than GW exploiting it's paypig audience. The 3-man units are also retarded and also exist to siphon your money.>B-But muh Legione-Don't care.
>>93771061>There is no reason Bolters, Plasma Guns, etc. should be balkanized into their own Aspect Warrior type unitsRule of three.
>>93768286They were cooler and way more iconic. The primaris helmet is just way more boring
Black Templars and Dark Angels
>>93768249That's the best part; I didn't!
>>93771061>Unsalvageable tryhard garbage that's thankfully rendered irrelevant by the new Scout kit.Eliminators are cool
>>93770552No has to like models just because they're new. What kind of logic is this, if you don't like design changes you're pathetic? Dude look at the blood Angels and his much their refresh sucks. I hate you faggots who simp for GW.
>>93768249The marines are alright to good, the problem to me is GW making even worse weapon designs. The new missile launchers is particularly awful.
>>93768249I loved their aesthetic from day one, I've just never liked their lore. They should have just gone 'look, Marines are now truescale' and left it at that.
>>93768249I like the helmets and the body proportions but that's it.
>>93768249Always did.
>>93772801>he said, posting an image using none of them
>>93768249Never. It's shit and completely soulless. It's not something you "learn to love".
>world weaters, black legion, night lords, thousand sons, emperor's children, iron warriors, death guard all have iconic helmets>only maybe the raven guard have iconic helmets, maybe the imperial fists if you give them all black templar knight helmetsPrimaris and Space Marines suck because so many of them are too much "the same". Dark Angels could have been better but they're just sticking primaris generic helmets in a hood. There is a severe push by GW to try and make all space marines one generic blob, despite there being special boxes of this and that since the 1990s. New sanguinary guard are an example of trying to shorn off the unique stuff. I suspect this is for brand recognition.
>>93768249Forever
Hated them when they came out, still hate them.
They have a transparently comercial stink that prevents me from enjoying them
>>93768249They are the new tau. Aesthetically unfit with clean gear. When i see one i see a riptide.
>>93771092I dunno they are kinda forgettable. Even some hh designs are more iconic in that cadslop of a game.
They're just too clean.The Imperium should have a grimy, dirty, crumbling feel to its aesthetics, the bling and ornamentation should feel like the faded gilding of better days gone by. It's what made it stand out compared to the other factions. But if the poster boys are as clean and new as, say, the Tau or the Eldar then that aesthetic contrast is lost and everything feels too samey.
>>93768249When I put them side by side with the cartoonishly retarded proportions of first born marines. First born look like they were designed by 5 year ols.
>>93768249When I saw reivers/aggressors which are 50/50 on wether people agree with me on them looking cool because they look tactical or hate them because they look tactical
>>93774498This has been my problem with 40k models as a whole for the past decade or soWarhammer just feels too modern and clean, and I'm not even sure if it's intentional or just a byproduct of the big switch to digital sculpting. The artwork and presentation of the whole setting just feels off also, when I crack open a 40k codex I'm no longer greeted with that gothic mystique of cryptic text on faded looking paper, john blanche & black and white archaic looking imagery of a bizarre nightmarish empire. I just get "there is only war!!" on pure white pages followed by some generic intern on artstation tier digital picture.Space marines have become these clean knightly figures instead of angry looking gothic death machines, sisters of battle have lost a lot of the priests and inquisition stuff to where the theme of the entire army is just "sororitas power armour" which doesn't feel right as a design staple on the newer units like the mech suits. Guard and mechanicus have become more smooth and rounded instead of chunky industrial dieselpunk machines. Mechanicus especially not having servitors and creepy cyborgs as the forefront design is a massive mistake, skitarii simply don't look grimdark and do not capture the faction's text well. They're cartoonish looking and the fandom treats them as such also.Even chaos feels more like a parody of itself in the newer iterations, just absolutely overloaded with trim, trinkets, horns, stars, etc. Orks feel much more AoS-ified, symmetrical and clean now also.You are correct, everything feels like it has become more like the Eldar and Tau.
>>93768249No actual fan of 40k will ever accept your lore-raping moneygrab, James.
>>93774739Even the Eldar in the RT days had a more gothic and weird look to them than now. They really dropped and cut away the olf aesthetic influences. Which is why people make fun of it for being "Marvel" now.
>>93771061Didn't ask
>>93768249>When did you finally learn to love their aesthetic?i didn't, MK VI style helmets were cool when they were more rare and they were probably used for the primaris because they want to be more tradermarkeable.Still waiting for them to fix the units, but looking at AoS state it would probably never be fixed
>>93774784A lot of this is Gav Thorpe preventing Eldar from ever getting a win in lore. You can't have "milennia long bloodfeuds prosecuted against your grandchildren by the space-fae warhost" or "glamrock space bikers on psychic bone-jetbikes racing orks fastboyz and space marine accelerati" if Eldar aren't even allowed to have them because just having stuff is "a win".The same goes for Tau, where the fine line of "new entrants into the grimdark who have not yet lost hope" is never allowed to be walked.
>>93768249i liked their aesthetics from the start.i always found that the normal space marine armors looked retarded.
>>93774739>Warhammer just feels too modern and clean, and I'm not even sure if it's intentional or just a byproduct of the big switch to digital sculptingI get your point but I think the art can sometimes not feel clean and keep the old creepty dirty look.>Mechanicus especially not having servitors and creepy cyborgs as the forefront design is a massive mistake, skitarii simply don't look grimdark and do not capture the faction's text well.You've perfectly described my feeling towards skitarii that I could never put into words. I think the problem is they have those big goggles for eyes so it looks super cartoony
>>93777053the thing is the goggle eyes are because their eyelids are removed! It's so wonderfully grim, just something wrong with the translation to minis. I think it's the capes a bit makes them look feminine.
>>93777175yeah the idea all works well together in theory, the red hodes/capes are an interesting idea to giv ehtme a unified silhouette. But it doesn't work as minis, they look silly and you can't tell they're cyborgs, they look like normal guys in metal masks/armour. This fanart can better show how their eyelids/eyes are removed. Show their face, ironcially the idea of cyborgs only works when you can see mutiliated/scarred skin otherwise its less creepy
>>93774498>>93774739>Time progresses>Modern tools & proclivities lead to modernizing of an aesthetic>The "grimy" style, inevitably, is lost>Grogs fucking shocked and appalled that things change over timeAlso Primaris looking clean and new makes sense because they fucking ARE clean and new
>>93777255what do you mean shocked and appalled? the post literally recognizes it's due to the modern tools modernizing the aesthetic retard
>>93777053>>93777175Yeah the goggles are especially the issue I think, although the vanguard heads still feel like they're missing something also to me.The sicarian versions have more of the aesthetic I think works for skitarii. The tech thralls from horus heresy are a good look also.I rarely feel like I ever get to actually express this opinion about the mechanicus designs without redditfags diving down my throat over criticizing the le heckin cute femboy toasters or whatever the fuck the faction has unfortunately been memed into. A real shame since the mechanicus was always one of the more grimdark factions in the actual writing
>>93768249Today
>>93777493Mechanicus is in a weird spot since their inception. There's meant to be a chaotic dark mechanicum but how do you make them look more daemonic/scarier/eviler than pic related which i meant to be the normal admech.>I rarely feel like I ever get to actually express this opinion about the mechanicus designs without redditfags diving down my throat over criticizing the le heckin cute femboy toasters And if you critisim them here you have people just tell you to kitbash. Which you can but the faction does have an official design aesthetic which doesn't serve them. Its a tough spot, the da vinci design idea has not worked for them either. GW really seems like it has no idea what to do woth them design wise at least in 40k, 30k look amazing
>>93768249When I saw the Crusader Squad. It made me realize that the Primaris armor is a fantastic base to build on.
>>93777555First of all, checkedBut yeah that is something I've pondered before regarding the dark mechanicum. I see people ask for them all the time but I'm not exactly sure if they know what they're specifically wanting when they ask for a dark mechanicum model range. The way their lore goes doesn't really make much sense for them to be anything more than just normal tech priests with spikes or something, and the other chaos factions are already heavy on the daemon engines. I feel like there's not really much of a reason for them to be a standalone faction, it would make more sense if they were just a supplementary addition to the chaos marines or normal mechanicus army lists. Like upgrade kits and a few unique units.
>>93772963play hh
>>93777579>to build onBecause they're generic as fuck with little distinguishing them so any flare you add makes them look 100 times less gay.
>>93777660>and the other chaos factions are already heavy on the daemon engines.All of those things are rightful dark mechanicum clay, merely borrowed by the chaos marines. You could improve dark mech merely by adding an evil tech priest (not vox machinator) to the chaos space marine list.
>>93777694Why would you tell him to do that
>>93774498That's their whole point tard. Guiliman is mr clean and his new formula is primaris marines, removing the toughest spots of encrusted shit from the big cesspool that is the imperium, and he won't stop until you can eat off of it
>>93774739>Orks feel much more AoS-ified, symmetrical and clean now also.They literally look like soiboy wojaks.Shits grim as fuck but in very bad and wrong way.Its so unimaginably tiresome, the life is nothing but never ending meaningless nightmare.
>>93768249Never
>>93777660Honestly at this point just give me old style dieselpunk AdMech as "Hereteks" that covers DarkMech, rogue Forge Worlds that never joined the Imperium but aren't Chaos-aligned, Legio Cybernetica remnants, etc. Basically the "not the gay space cowboys" alternative.
>>93768249I always liked them. Primaris line is rather mixed as a whole, but I don't dislike the core aesthetic.
>>93768249I don't mind Primaris
>>93768249I don't learn to love shit OP. That's weird. You're weird.
>>93768249I like everything about them except the helmet and the bolter.
>>93777255>they're HECKING CLEAN because they're HECKING NEW>things change GROGCHUDokay, things could change in a good way. What do shiny, new, largely homogenous space marine models do for the setting?
>>93768249Never, I hate their predominantly CoD aesthetics and will hate their lore equally.
>>93777579If they just gave some of these full tabards or swapped the shield out for a BT cross like the dudes at the end of SM1 had this kit would have gone from an 8/10 to a solid 10/10
HelloI modify PrimarisI think Custom Heads are the way to go>>93777660Has the right idea, reintroduce kitbashing, White Dwarf could just use AoS bits if they were real scaredI am sorry, reused image
>>93768249Real question, what is their aesthetic? What makes it unique?
>>93768249People who can tell the diference besides them being taller, are to autistic to respond
>>93768249I liked them from the start I always fucking despised the firstborn helmets they had so many better designs to choose from :< this shit pissed me off so bad looking at it
>>93768249>Sue Marynes.
>>93777255>something has lost it's identity>this is a good thing.People actually hold these opinions and i wonder if it's because anything the company does would be good.>kept grimdarkgood>moved from itgood>became fucking infinity the gamegood."modernization" is not the cause of the aesthetic change, one can still produce suitable miniatures that fit the tone even with digital scuplting and 3d tools.it is an art direction change. GW used to be very comic inspired, pulpy, dirty and greasy because that's the creatives. it's literally cobbled together out dune, tolkien, moorecock, conan, starwars and 2000ad especially. now it's feeling like it's absorbing starcraft and fallout (the rounded retrofuture styles of the votaan generally). it's a different game and different aesthetic. >>93774739>skitWhat's often forgotten is that skit are titan legion support, not forge world troops. that's why they were divided into another faction back in 7th. heresy handles it a bit better with thallex and techthralls (the latter is depicted as zombie lurching towards the enemy.)
>>93768249Haven't so far. Headswapped everyone to MkVII/MkVI.
>>93785374You know you can still slather devlan mud all over them right?
>>93777749>the designs have to be bland because the writing demands it
>>93787547I dislike the dumb Darth Vader helmets, but I do have a soft spot for Beakies and MK3 helmets. Might try some headswaps one day to vary up my units.
>>93782766>What do shiny, new, largely homogenous space marine models do for the setting?They actually help to make Marines feel like the elite army they are supposed to be.
>>93784882>firstbornOpinion disregarded
I don'tPrimaris armies look like shit compared to 1 HQ 2 Troops core Space Marines
>>93788044Also they're, y'know, bigger like SM should be. For all you newfags who came here for the culture war, we used to do this thing called "truescale conversion" where you'd chop a marine up and use greenstuff and plasticard to make him bigger to achieve lore accurate proportions. Before Primaris the majority of marines where actually slightly shorter than a Cadian guardsman. People did this in the 90s with metal minis but it only really took off with the plastic kits. Some people did entire "truescale armies" where they'd run termies as marines, marines as scouts, and scouts as guardsman so that their army would also be "truescale" in terms of stats.Primaris are, in a sense, just GW selling truescale minis, both in terms of models and stats.
>>93788111Shame they had to make them into a load of new units and shite because they knew whales would pay for it.Whilst CSM just got made bigger and there was no controversy.
>>93787547ALL GW had to do was say "we're doing truescale Marines now" and all this shitstorm could have been avoidedalso>Lorraine cross>Soissonsbreddy cool
>>93788111And then because of grishnak they upscaled the SoB, negating the truescaling of the marines.
>>93771061I think the phobos armour itself can look alright, problem is they generally stud it with a billion stupid scopes, antennae, tacticool bits and make it too modern looking and busy as a result.
>>93788195Beakie helmets go a long way to make phobos look better, but the real problem is the stupid calfs that make them look like they're wearing trainers.
>>93774498Motherfucker, you're the one who decides how clean they're going to be when you assemble and paint them which is something you obviously don't do.
>>93788328>nooo stop nooticing that things look worse, you should still buy them anyway and convert them!Why is this always the GWIDF first line of defence lelI'm not buying miniatures I don't like in the first place over miniatures I actually like lel
>>93787547I like your dudes but your basing blends in with their colour scheme and ruins it.
>>93788181>because of grishnak????
>>93788446>basing is awfulclassic 4chan
>>93787547It's astounding how swapping out one piece elevates these models on a fundamential level.
swap heads crew
>>93788451The 2nd model in the row is a SoB from Grishnak Model. They were everything official updated SoB should be, on 25mm bases. Hence, GW upscaled the sobs (literally upscaled in CAD) to much bigger than other humans for no other reason than to make grishnak models incompatible with the updated range. And gave them a 32mm bases as a consequence.
>>93788446It's the yellow light. Here is a natural light picture.
>>93789593That looks much better, yup.
>>93768249primaris marines look like they belong on star wars expanded universe, not on 40k.The lore being marines+ instead of just a new look for marines makes them worse than they are.
>>93768249I will never love that dumb hockey mask
>>93787589>>93788328>Slather both an oldmarine and numarine with mud>The oldmarine still looks grimier
>>93788328What's crazy to me, is 40k has always been presented as the hobby that is 100% what YOU want. You can buy the models you want, paint them however you want, make up whatever bullshit you want, and the only thing you ever have to adhere to is a ruleset if you actually go play the wargame. Don't like X? Stick with Y. Don't like the color scheme for that chapter? Make up your own. All the people I know IRL who collect and paint have a huge array of standard and homebrewed shit.But when I come here it's just endless seething. People here act like because their favwit utuber only talks about Primaris that means they're not allowed to like the game anymore. People act like GW, a fucking company, trying to make money is some horrible sin. If in YOUR PERCEPTION the company is overpriced, or selling out, or whatever the fuck, then don't buy it. But when a million other people do, YOU clearly are the one with the problem, not them. PS, people who repeat how 'iconic' the old models are should be hung. No fucking shit a 30 year old design is more iconic than a 3 year old one. Morons.
Primaris are still fucking dogshit, they've simaltainously made something overdesigned whilst being boring as fuck.Like the helmet is just fucking boring, it's hilarious how they tried to copy the mark 4 and just fluffed it so bad.
>>93790452I blame the increasing distance 40K has from the rest of the hobby. I've spend the last few months mostly focusing on historical games and it's honestly helped me gain a much better understanding of everything. The idea that you somehow won't be able to buy every known Space Marine armor mark under the planet from GW themselves, let alone other places selling proxies, is laughable. The last trueborn marines going away is literally the same as them all coming back.
>>93788170>truscaleIs that reddit speak for nuscale?
Primaris never bothered me, save for their vehicle designs.
>>93788111>bigger like SM should be. >For all you newfags Lmao newfag thinks his 10ft tall SMs isn't newfaggeryGo back
>>93768286L take
>>93768249It's a great way to do space-marines-but-differenter, they immediately read as space-marines-but-differenter, you can tell that they're supposed to be space marines and you can also tell them apart from normal space marines. It would have been cool for a new unit or faction that was supposed to show up on the same table as a normal space marine. Phasing out the old space marines was stupid and hateful, we already know that, what I'm saying is that it was also a waste of a good (primaris) design. As "a new kind of space marine" they would have been cool but as "the new space marines" they look like shit.
>>93769428You can't even say what's wrong with them.
Primaris have no aesthetic they can be anything from tacticool to grimderp.
>>93768249they marked the end of cannon lore and brought a new era of female custards and that creed pig with them
>>93795588is that a good thing or a bad thing
>>93792311>he doesn't know the term comes from truescale conversion when plastic marine kits arrivedyou're the reddit tourist so you tell us
>>93768249Out. Now.
>>93795845>the term truescale comes from truescaleTruly a big brained individual here
As an AoS chad, I can't tell the difference between primaris slop and regular sm trash. Ty for payrolling the better game though
>>93796886NTAYRT but it's clear what he's saying. Truescale has been the word since the WarSeer forum days almost 20 years ago.So >>93792311 going "hurr is this Reddit speak" is only revealing he's a tourist/newfag
>>93796914>Truescale has been the word since the WarSeer forumLmaoNotry explain what truescale means and you understand why that's not possible
>>93790452>People act like GW, a fucking company, trying to make money is some horrible sinAnon, people complain because shit is way too overpriced. Nobody cares about spending money on a hobby, but spending five times the amount of what a plastic toy should cost is indeed outrageous.
>>93768249I didn't and don't feel the need to.
>>93796968Here's an example, thanks for playing you imbecile lel.It's an old forum word and not "reddit".It's from Dakka Dakka, a contemporary forum, as WarSeer got wiped from the internet at the time sadly.>explain what truescale meansMaking 40k miniatures larger, usually Space Marines, because the miniatures available weren't particularly larger than other human miniatures despite being 8' tall in the fluff
>>9379727230k somehow looks even more shit.
>>93771061Yeah have to agree witht this, looks wise i even like the Primaris armor, HOWEVER they seriously need to rebling the shit out of them 'cus they look bland and samey as hell with little to no variety mini wise within a single squad and fuuuuuuuuuuck how each weapon needs to have it's unique squad with this super special name instead of the old Tactical, Devastator, Assault and so on more generalist squads.Phobos stuff i definitely do agree they dropped the ball on them sans the Sniper guys, those i dig.
>>93792311You have to be 18 to post here>People born in 2006 are now 18God fucking dammit
>>93797358The clock is a bitch and has no known weaknesses.(which is bullshit)(fuck the clock)
>>93797319They were suitably scaled being a foot taller and far more massive than baseline humans. The switch to plastic guard kits fucked the sizing up and they shouldn't have continued by ballooning everything else because now everything is retardedly oversized.They need to be scaled appropriately and expanded laterally to really drive home the brick shithouse effect. 7 feet tall and 4.5 wide? They're fuckin massive, not just man but taller
>>93797812adding on because I didn't think of it until now, but all you needed to do was take em out of the power squat and maybe add a bit of torso, like a millimeter or so.
>>93768249I didn't.
>>93768249The day after my lobotomy. Doy! Tell me about Guilliman again, George!
>>93769390Nice bait. Have a you
>>93797272Say instead of primaris Cawl found out how to replicate some HH era stuff like cataphractii pattern terminator armour or volkite weaponry and now you can use the HH bits in 40k (granted I dont see what stops you from doing so now), better or worse decision in the long run?
>>93768249They only changed the mk7 because it's a obvious darth vader rippoff and it shows. They just used the first thing that come out different enough, I can accept the mostly of the primaris but not the change from the angry space helmet.
>>93768249The Space Marine 2 reveal trailer did a lot to make them look as good as their older versions:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2vEi1xehTs
>>93768249I started with 8th edition, so I’m probably biased here. But I generally like the Primaris look better. I think they’re posed better and have better overall proportions.I always get the vague impression that tactical marines are struggling to hold up their weapons. They just look too small for them. The box grille, while iconic, does look a tad goofy but this is 40k so it’s not really a negative.The Primaris helmet and proportions makes the space marines look genuinely dangerous. The tactical marine gives me the impression of a goofball who’s going to give a long winded speech before sprinting through 1km of no-man’s-land with only a chainsword.The Primaris marine looks like somebody who would kill me without saying a word, and promptly forget about it because he’s busy killing someone else. Calm, dispassionate, professional. Which I personally think is fucking scary.
>>93768286Agreed.To me I've always liked the faceless/knightly helms more.Mk3, mk4 and mk10 are just simply the best.People go on about the mk7 looking like an angry frown and I just don't see it.At best I'll see it if I squint at it really hard, but even then it just looks goofy more than anything else.
>>93797930Somebody at GW has a fuckin boner for that retarded design
>>93797828>but all you needed to do was take em out of the power squat and maybe add a bit of torso, like a millimeter or so.I'm pretty sure there were more than a couple of tutorials out there which added height to the waste of marines, adjusted their legs by cutting them at the hip, straightening out their stance and maybe adding length to the thighs and they looked great as "true-scale" marines. (standing at least a head taller than regular imperial guard and having better more dynamic poses).>>93798047>I always get the vague impression that tactical marines are struggling to hold up their weapons.Because the designers put them in weird positions, the current ranger of nu-bolters suffer from the same retarded cancer-faggot designers making their weapons too big. You can do boxy bolter design without oversizing it.
>>93797828>all you needed to do was take em out of the power squat and maybe add a bit of torso, like a millimeter or so.Nope
>>93798223Tastelet
>>93798266I'm not saying that the old minis are bad. I'm saying that the proportions and size of the new ones is better.
>>93774498>The Imperium should have a grimy, dirty, crumbling feel to its aesthetics, the bling and ornamentation should feel like the faded gilding of better days gone by. It's what made it stand out compared to the other factions. But if the poster boys are as clean and new as, say, the Tau or the Eldar then that aesthetic contrast is lost and everything feels too samey.Why would space knights go into battle with dirty armor when they have dozens of slaves to polish it? Dirty places only make sense when there has been a catastrophe very recently, it is a place full of drug addicts or abandoned. If there is any actual human activity it doesn't make sense for it to be dirty, because humans don't like dirty shit, let alone religious types who have a literal god of uncleanliness as their enemy.
>>93798067>Mk3, mk4Agreed there, but I don't think it puts the rest that far behind.>People go on about the mk7 looking like an angry frown and I just don't see it.Do you have an undiagnosed brain injury?
>>93798409If anyone should look like they’re in good shape it’s the Astartes. This is one of the few organizations in the Imperium that hasn’t completely atrophied into monkeys smacking typewriter keys. If some chapter worlds are anything to go by, they’re pretty damn good administrators too.They’re also figures of worship by the average man, so they enjoy massive funding via imperial tithes. 1000 battle brothers can easily be maintained with an entire planet being taxed.
>>93798223middle looks perfect
>>93798529>middle looks perfect
>>93798445>prrrft ur brain damaged if you don't see this autistic shit i do brrrrprprrppYeah, way to convince me to like your shit.
>>93798619Very convincing support for 'yes'.
>Primaris mk10hourglass figure>Firstborn mk7/8bulky fridge tank
can i see a comparison of all the different typesnot actual art, just a basic display
The most interesting thing to come out of this is learning just how big terminators are supposed to be, which are as big as a Primaris because they can wear Terminator armor without any modifications.
>>93797319>2010>20 years agoKekMoron I used those places 20 years agoTruescale came about after the shit GW novels of 12ft tall SMs and 20fy tall primarchs, before that it didn't exist as everyone understood SMs to be 7ft tall
>>93798223Are you tarded? You just proved his point
>>93802296If someone's only exposed to the gw ecosystem, I think they just can't understand how enormous marines already were compared to actual 28mm figures.
>>93795812I preferred it when Space Marines looked like Space Marines and not whatever the designers felt like that day.
>>93769390Bait used to be believable but have a you for participation
The problem is the forced sameness in all space marine kits. CSM have ten different helmets, all primaris helmets are the same. It's too uniform for a military that's supposed to 'use whatever they can get' due to constant supply issues.
>>93804901Dude, I dropped more money than I'm willing to admit on stuff from Liber Daemonica just to make a Deathwatch army with some interesting helmets. I'm bitter.
>>93774467At least the Tau fit into 40k>scrappy new guys on the block that are already outperforming their peers and are willing to fight tooth and nail to surviveMeanwhile>super duper space marines that were totally always here and get every win handed to them on a silver platter or a status-quo guaranteed
I don't. Marines are supppsed to be goofy goobers. Not super surrious
How come GW didn't simply make Primaris marines just a truescale marine model to replace all the outdated midget marine models?The real reason is probably something to do with wanting more monies.
>>93787547Very sexy, personally I like to use Paravane helmets on my Dark Angels
>>93768249The helmet is the biggest issue with them and I prefer the old bolters. I hate the ankle spheres and find them too thin at the waist. Otherwise the primaris look fine to me.
>>93804987Chaos Marines were going to get upscaled too, and the good guys have to be bigger than the bad guys. See Stormcast Eternals vs. Chaos Warriors in Age of Ligmar
Ninja Astartes with stealth power armor will always look dumb.
>>93768249I like the base primaris, but the further you go from the regular dude in Tacticus armor the worse it gets, with the worst offenders being the new jump packs.
>>93796908Old World won btw
>>93797324Appealing to true scale trannies is never a good thing.
>>93806836no it didnt lol.in fact, old world grogs are boosting AoS sales.
>>93790452uuuuuhm akshully sweaty everyone here only plays competitive official games with our expensive and PAINTED armies that we take to our loacl GW shop to play with strangers we hate so any change to the rules must be observed and minis that aren't rules compliant cease to exist. I was pretty sore when my boxnaugts burst into flames in my closet after GW made the rules changes but its for the best.
>>93807358>uuuuuhm akshully sweatyAt least meet your real age in the middle.
>>93806845Oh yikes a salestrannyI meant it won my heart
>>93806845>in fact, old world grogs are boosting AoS sales.Only because 4 armies so far ToW-exclusive.
>>93768249Never will, they're shit.
>>93771061100%>The Space marines are now based on 3 man squadsTau>I know in lore we based everything the tau had on Multiples of 3 or 4 but now we are making them Base 10!
>>93804987Because GW needed a lore reasn to make the marine fans re-buy their whole armies again. I think it was also to signal a "soft reboot" of the 40k franchise as well with a new era and therefore new space marines.
Only bad part of Primaris is the helmets compared to the old ones. So just buy some and make yourself happier
Do any space marines even have a definite aesthetic?
>>93768249BIGGER ARMOUR. MORE ROUNDED. CHUNKIER
So nobody can answer? >>93818601
never. too smooth, too clean. too...friendly.
>>93768249I don't know if I'll ever say I fell in love with the aesthetic, but it grew on me over time.The older, more aggressive model still feels more like 40k... but this one if /fine/
>>93818601Yeah. Space Warrior Monks.Your particular flavor of Space Warrior Monk depends of how much you love a cultural aesthetic, but generally: Space Warrior Monks.
>>93768249No, although the cosmetics in Space Marine 2 are a step in the right direction.
>>93769390>Prim helmets are literally the best they've ever lookedHoly shit do you live in some alternate world where Beakies and the MK III helmet don't exist?
>>93768249I lost all interesting in Space Marine 2 since it's shitmaris now. Add GW going full cultural marxist to taste.
>>93768359The 30k community
>>93768298this
Why care about a clearly temporary thing? You bugmen say its just models then expect me to "love" the new slop.
>>93768249Had a few sprues given to me by a friend who got them for free and didnt play 40k.I like the action poses and scale, not sure about the new bolters or helmets though, they also feel less ornate and ancient than the firstborn which was a thing I always loved about marines, but I guess thats the point.
>>93768249Since I liked Mk IV helmet style before, I was okay with it from the start.
>>93768249I always thought maximus pattern was cool, but completely deleting mark 7 is just turbo dumb.
>>93768249Right awayThe pants shitting over Primaris was just as silly as the pants shitting over AoSAlso, I love the Primaris Mario KartPost your wojaks if you must, I have already won
>>93768249>When did you finally learn what aesthetic means?
Gave my entire Raven Guard army beak helmets
>>93768249When Hell froze.
>>93768249I don't. But I really like their helmets. I wonder if it pre-or-post dates this art for the roboutian heresy?
>Guilliman's brand new butt boysI will resist the Pr*maris until the end!
>>93832403Good!Horus is wearing MkIV there, it's similar to MkX
>>93768249Their aesthetic was never the problem, the LORE was.
>>93768249What do you think about the space marine classes in space marine 2? Do you prefer the primaris to be divided into 6 types of normal troops like space marine 2? Personally I would like them to just make 6 classes of normal primaris like in the game, and add in the class with 2 guns in each arm like with calgar
