>openly tweeting stuff like this when you are famous for paying shop staff and even the fucking Design Studio staff absolute pittancesI get it's meant to be a play on a meme but it's hilariously and disgustingly tone-deaf to their own underpaid staffThey have designers on £19-22k a year when the UK average is like £30-35k depending.
Just seems a bit weird how niggly the Warhammer official account has got recently, like being a bit spiteful about the femstodes stuff.
>They have designers on £19-22k a year when the UK average is like £30-35k depending.This is genuinely on the employees, who accept pay well below the going rate just to be part of Games Workshop. The vast majority of GW staff accept below-average pay because they have a longstanding personal investment in Warhammer and want to be a part of it. GW can get away with offering less than other companies because there's enough people out there willing to take a poor deal to be closer to something they care about.
>>93818350This. Additionally the oldfags like Jervis Johnson and Jes Goodwin have big bonuses that new blood designers will never see during their tenure at GW.
>>93818271>They have designers on £19-22k a year when the UK average is like £30-35k depending.I'm glad.
>>93818370Ever heard the phrase "you get what you pay for"? If I worked on bri'ish poverty pay rates I'd also shit those mirrored abominations out in half an afternoon and then spend the next 6 months pretending I'm still hard at work on them while playing phone games and seeing if I can guzzle down enough of the free, low-grade office coffee to brew a shrieking thundershit capable of cracking the toilet bowl in half.
>>93818583Nah, you can't do that at GW son. You need to go down to Bugman's with your mates to buy some expensive ale if you want to keep with the company values.
>>93818296Good opportunity to provoke whoever it is into hurting the brand for laughs.
>>93818603>if you want to keep with the company valuesWhy should I, when the company itself doesn't?
>>93818615The average GW employee in the store or the design studio has been fully consumed by The Hobby and doesn't mind working for pennies.
>>93818627You wouldn't even pass their vetting to get a job at GW if you think like that.
>>93818271>GW employees can't afford to partake in the hobbythis explains a lot about modern warhammer
>>93818271What a stupid, stupid thing to be upset over.You twitter niggers need to go out and touch some grass instead of being outraged over retarded shit.
Tell me why should I care about low skilled labours pay? Tech workers,fast food workers, and retail workers are all the same to me and they deserve the lowest wage possible.
>>93818680>suddenly none of your shit works because everybody hired mouthbreathers for practically nothing
>>93818691>mouth breathersDon’t underestimate the peasantry. They are smart enough to do their jobs to a satisfactory level.
>>93818665That's one of the few things they can do. They get compensated with an yearly allowance of free products in fact.
>>93818603The shift supervisor can buy us all a round as a "morale luncheon" instead. Until then I'm dodging work and blowing out the toilets.
>>93818680>Americunt wonders why people spit in his food #39383829
>>93818699not if they can't afford food with a sallary
>>93819243>thinks I’m American because I have disdain for the unskilled Get my drink wagie.
>>93819364With pleasure Sir*PISSES*
>>93818271>the day Horus slew the EmperorThe Emperor isn't dead though?
>>93818271You missed the general.
>>93819364>openly proclaims that most people should live at subsistence level for the benefit of the fewThis is why we get revolutions. Because there are tards who don't even have the decency to just quietly exploit people but gotta exclaim "HURR DURR I love fucking the poors!" Best have a plan to flee to another country anon because you're gonna get axed by someone.
>>93818370The uk isnt averaging 33k outside of london. The vast majority of working aged adults 21 to 50 are lucky to be on 27k.
>>93818271This is dystopian.
>>93818370>Haha, someone put one of those funny mirror flip images in the center>Wait a minute...
>>93818370fwiw, 'designers' in this context is games designers, not sculptors. The 19-22k range is based on what James Hewitt's salary during his time as a rules writer. Sculptors are actually (allegedly) some of the better paid staff on the production side of things
>>93818699>They are smart enough to do their jobs to a satisfactory level.They absolutely are not. At my job, we can't even teach people not to flush paper towels.
>>93821597Median salary is over 33k for a large portion of the country and just under it everywhere else. And thats median not mean, so far less skewed by the really really high earners.
>>93821429>this is why we have revolutions Name one revolution that has not benefited the wealthy you stupid pleb
>>93818360The new designers aren't fit to wash Jes's car.
>>93821908I dont know how this can be true when I know so many people and even work a decent job myself in the south east and a lot of people I know have to settle for 25 to 28k
>>93822133If you think for a second that every 40k mini coming out today isn't put through a gauntlet of meddling middle managers then I don't know what to tell you anon. listen to any former GW person talk about the Byzantine way they work internally and you start to see how everything is designed by committee on their "important" (read: 40k) stuff
>>93822072You're full of crap.
>>93818350>GW can get away with offering less than other companies because there's enough people out there willing to take a poor deal to be closer to something they care about.They get lower quality workers that way though. Comic companies in the US employ that same strategy and it has been a disaster for them. Turns out when you pay 15 dollars per page you get the shittiest writers in the world, no matter how much they love Superman.
>>93822190All I need to see is a designer saying "so glad to be part of the team that designed this model".Theres no individual artistic vision that gave us the iconic designs of 40k. As you say managers will be shitting on and changing every other element. I bet theres an initial draft file of the new models that looks great.
>>93818699>tech people are the peasantryWhat world do you live in
>>93822133>the new 40k designersFTFY
>>93818271How do bongs even survive? Do they pay no taxes? I’m just starting out in Canada with 65k/year and I find myself watching my budget carefully.
>>93822352Someone post the old sheboon.
>>93822355Turns out different parts of the world have different costs of living.
>>93822409I went on vacation in England and it isn’t cheap at all there. Even 4 years down the line when I’ll be making 120k a year I wouldn’t be able to live year round at the same quality of life in England as I can here in Canada.
>>93821429>le guillotine memeRevolutions are a solved problem in the Western world. We've got better bread and circuses than anyone else in history, and as long as the rabble get to vent their frustrations at each other there's no risk of them coming after anyone who actually matters.
>>93818271They don't seem underpaid by the standards of shit UK salaries.
>>93822144Because it's distributed like picrel. Basically, if around half the population have a salary between £0 and £35k p/a, then the remaining half are spread across the entire range from £35.1k p/a up to the highest annual salary in the country. So there are as many people on each side of the median, but the side above the median covers a much, much, *much* broader range of salaries, with fewer and fewer people at each higher step. The median is being dragged up by the small numbers of people at the extreme right end of the curve, the BBC presenters being paid over £1mil a year and the like
>>93818296imagine pretending to give a shit about what a company pays its staff
>>93822355Are you serious?
>>93822352It's novel but I hate how they keep doing "object leaving hand" sculpts because it frequently snaps.
>>93822355Your currency is worth half as much as uk currency.
>>93822916>>93822943Yes. Looking at the data the UK is slightly cheaper than Canada. I am young and just finished high school and am earning 65k CAD. Which is about 36.5k bong dollars. I am having to penny pinch and budget dramatically to live in a slightly more expensive economy. And I am already earning more than the average Brit. In 4 years on my set pay scales I will be earning 120k. Which is about 73k bongs and by then I will probably be able to live comfortably. So again I ask how the average bong survives if that is the average salary. And our economy is dogshit, our pay is low compared to America and everything is more expensive and we get taxed more. So I assume bong taxes are closer to American levels.
>>93822355>>93822355>How do bongs even survive?They don't. They're rapidly becoming poorer and losing their last shreds of relevancy. Unfortunately they speak English so they're always shitting up every discussion about politics pretending they have a 1st world economy. Half the doomerism about the US economy is actually just downwardly mobile brits who think they're still a serious country that's equivalent to the US
>>93823002The US is the promised land. I am Canadian and 100% seriously would support total annexation of Canada into the US. Or at least Alberta. I can already imagine the cheap flights and higher salaries. I would be able to afford tickets to fly out to big cities on long weekends to play tabletop.
>>93823002>Half the doomerism about the US economy is actually just downwardly mobile brits who think they're still a serious country that's equivalent to the USThe most retarded cope I'll read all year (and it's an election year, so there's going to be plenty of tough competition)
>>93822409Yeah, but the Bongs appear to have near US COLs while having worse salaries than shitholes like Mississippi.
>>93822972>I am young and just finished high school and am earning 65k CAD. Which is about 36.5k bong dollars.God damn, I went into the wrong line of work. Either way, you are either ridiculously wasteful, live in a retarded expensive area, or your economy really is in this shitter. If I made your kind of money, I'd take half the year off to do whatever.
>>93822293>Theres no individual artistic visionWeren't all the new BTs designed largely by one guy? Same with Death Guard. And I remember some anniversary mini for AoS/40K being a solo designed thing, because the AoS guy gushed about all the little lore and backstory he managed to put into a largely featureless bedsheet ghost while the 40K guy said I MAED PRIMARIS LIEUTENANT BECUZ CAD TOOLS MAKE IT SO EASY TO POSE THEM
>>93822972Bruh you need to budget better lmao.
>>93822866I care how often they hike prices up while they say dumb shit like this
>>93822352I find this kind of mediocre
>>93822930They do this to deter recasters. They want you buying plastic instead of resin. Jokes on them I can still pin it
>>93825523Is that really why they do it? Because if I had this model in plastic I peobaboy would have just changed the hand because I hate fragile mini poses like this
>>93825523i can still print it. and if it breaks beyond repair. i can just reprint it
>>93825523It's pretty stupid when it breaks in plastic and it breaks in resin.
>>93822705You mean the mean, right? The median should be less affected by a small number of statistical outliers.
>>93822972Mate I make £37.5 and live in a nice suburban area and have plenty of savings. You either budget like shit or are insisting on living in an expensive city.
>>93822282Good think AI is now writing superman and batman.
>>93818271Does anybody know how much the people at Corvus Belli are paid? I assume salaries in Spain are lower than in the UK but so is the CoL.
>>93818271>I know it's a joke>BUTJust die.
>>93831285Its a bit like Harvey Weinstein joking about sexual assault
>>93818271>Literally telling their fellow brits to just deal with itlol and they will buy from this shit company
>>93818296>a ceo making +500k is a lotrapidly becoming a 3rd world country
>>93832451It's really interesting how much CEO monetary compensation started increasing once the West started cracking down on sexual harassment and misconduct.
>>93832451That’s enough to buy a house and a car. Not get a loan for those things, not make a down payment, you can buy a home on a decently sized patch of land and a good car with all the fancy bells and whistles for half a million. And that is on top of an already obscene yearly salary. People who say that isn’t a massive amount of money demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of what that sum could be used for by the average person. Get the multimillionaire corpo cock out of your throat.
>>93826074The AI lore youtube channels are already better than the other fags.>>93832451There is no "becoming". The UK is already a 3rd world country outside of London.
>>93825523Couldn't a recaster just recast everything while leaving it on the sprue?
>>93825523I cant wait for the guys who do gundam bootlegs to start doing warhammer stuff. Their plastic is 100% better than GW's at a similar level of detail.
>>93818296>pay rise
>>93832650it's a CEOin a real country with a real economy they make 10s of multiples of that. GW's CEO could be poached if their pay doesn't stay competitive
>>93825724>The median should be less affectedLess affected than the mean, yes. Don't mistake that for being unaffected by the outliers, particularly when the outliers cover such a dramatically wide range of incomes because there's no upper limit to this particular data set
>>93832793>in the age of ripoffs being better quality than the actual official products
>>93825523>They want you buying plastic instead of resincan you go more into this please?
>>93832793You'd need Warhammer to catch on in SEA for that, right?
>>93823002>>93832451Irrefutable proof that the UK is not a third world country:I instantly match every girl I right swipe on when I travel to latin america or asia. I do not instantly match every girl in the UK when I travel there.>>93832650The average FAANG senior software engineer makes 500k+Senior is nowhere close to the "highest" on the career ladder for software either
>>93822972>In 4 years on my set pay scales I will be earning 120k.Lmao
>>93833373Already happened with forge world
>>93823027This is why I dont get why so many retards want america to be more like europe or canada, it seems like the dramatic decrease in pay and dramatic increase in cost of living and taxes is definitely not worth the free college or "free" "healthcare" you guys get
>>93832520I.... dont get what you're getting at anon....
>>93818271Ignoring all that, this post is pure cringe.
>>9382207218th century French aristocracy would disagree with you (if they had heads), you uneducated larping basement dweller.
>>93822930They do this so you buy replacements. Keep throwing your money at them piggie.
>>93833496I think it means that they have to pay them more because they don't get to fuck little kids anymore?
>>93818296Is that the year literally every worker got a 5k bonus?
>>93819401Ahhh... femboy piss. The nectar of Gods.
>>93833648Clueless.
>>93833778FAGG9T
>>93822457Yeah, thats because British pound is worth much more than your Canadian monopoly money.
>>93832678>There is no "becoming". The UK is already a 3rd world country outside of London.*London and Birmingham are 3rd world while the countryside remains quite nice.
>>93832993Only America pays their CEO's such ridiculous wages anon. Imagine being proud because corpos are cucking your lower and middle class.
>>93833496When they couldn't have affairs with interns and secretaries anymore, CEOs started wanting more cold hard cash - consciously or subconsciously.
>>93834571NTA but assuming Anon is boasting is bad faith. Regretfully, earnest truth can be very ugly in our schizophrenic society. In a world dominated by inflationary fiat money, companies have to secure funds from the government/their goons more than they need to provide goods/services to customers for revenue. Thinking that CEO's are overpaid because they aren't productive is a Materialist mistake to make. CEOs don't make widgets, they do elite vibes. Being with friends/related to the right people in/around government is what'll make you and the company you lead successful. Normie customer bucks are a small & depreciating commodity especially contrasted with freshly printed, or gently laundered, govbucks. Only so many people on Earth have the right Ivy-League-1%er-type connections to make it rain and keep your competitors broke/banned/etc. Additionally, big CEO pay makes your company/CEO seem more important to the people who matter(hint: not you). If capitalism weren't a dead meme, corporate leaders' pay would reflect what they did instead of who they are.
>>93818350Well quite, it's the reason I didn't work there. Manager of business analytics *and* I know the hobby well enough to pick out specific details and fuckups others would miss. I like the hobby but the pay they were proposing was nowhere near what it needed to be.However, companies like this that people 'want' to work at can get away with paying less. At a cost of high turnover and associated training costs once people get bored/disillusioned. You lack experience and continuity of staff, depending on your industry that may or may not be a problem.>>93818583Well quite, it's probably why they make stupid decisions on the reg. The good senior managers aren't of an age to want to work somewhere cool and demand a higher salary than GW is willing to pay.
>>93818271>paying attention to twitter dramangmi
>>93819833Came here to post this.
>>93818296>GW: we are all for social justice and equity now and will ram that shit into every aspect of the IP from now on>Redshirts: okay, how about you raise our wages so they’re liveable?>GW: Nah we’re not going to do that.
>>93822352>>93822352Soulless.
>>93833405You should see the Tokyo warhammer store anon
>>93841828>companies like this that people 'want' to work at can get away with paying less. At a cost of high turnover and associated training costs once people get bored/disillusioned. You lack experience and continuity of staff, depending on your industry that may or may not be a problem.The absolute fucking shitshow that is 40K 10th edition demonstrates that it absolutely is a problem.
>>93832793Theres already a bunch of recasters that do forgeworld a fuckton better quality than GW and at the normal wargaming price.>>93833405SEA monkeys are the reason why 40k blind boxes exist. Theyre addicted to gambling so much they would dump money on $400+ army blind boxes if they were to exist.
>>93818271>They have designers on £19-22k a year when the UK average is like £30-35k depending.I don't understand why you think someone designing some bullshit toys for autists somehow deserve to be on the average. £22k a year is perfectly liveable, and if they want more then they should get real jobs.
>>93844515Its barely fucking livable. They deserve to be paid more because they are the ones designing the products that make warhammer a billion dollar ip. They are niche skilled workers, living in a wealthy part of the country, rubbing shoulders with rich people at work. Who do what exactly?
>>93844538>Who do what exactly?Coordinate and direct this global operation so you can buy a box of toy space marines off a shelf in the US
>>93844515You're the biggest type of faggot, I just want you to know that.
>>93844582Oh... Space Marines??? Those things sculpted by an artist hmmm. Designed by a designer hmm?
>>93844538>Its barely fucking livable.It's £1.6k a month. It's perfectly livable.>They deserve to be paid more because they are the ones designing the productsDesigning. Not making. Not shipping. Not even selling. They're just one tiny cog in a machine that ultimately... sells toys to autists. Their value is what they're paid, and if they don't like it they can go design somewhere else.>>93844590Oh, are you planning on killing yourself?
>>93844651That's pre taxes you fucking dolt. Take rent and a car to travel away and you are talking about £400-500 a month not including food costs or clothes or emergencies.You want them on the fucking EDGE. Where one bad months is DEBT. You are evil.
>>93844658>That's pre taxes you fucking dolt.No it isn't, you spastic. £1.8k is pre-taxes. Honestly, if you can't do basic math, you don't deserve to be paid more.>Take rent and a car to travel away and you are talking about £400-500 a monthMy car costs me £30 a month for road tax, £100 a month for petrol, and £20 a month for insurance. My rent+bills is £800 a month. My food is £200 a month, and I put £200 a month into a second account for frivoulous spending. That's £250 left over on a £22k salary that goes straight into savings, so an extra £3,000 a year not being spent.I'm sorry you're shit at budgeting, but again that looks like your math issue taking precedent. £22k is perfectly viable to live on.
>>93844697AhahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaHahahahaha200 quid a month? So the person designing and sculpting the models shouldnt even be allowed to partake in the hobby? He should take his 200 quid and save it! Wow he will have a functional emergency fund in.... 3 years! Wow!I sure hope he never has to travel halfway across the country sometime... Or have to repair his car!Fuck me!
>>93844697Im sure he will live a happy live spending absolutely 0 money at all on leisure or dating.
>>93844737£250 a month, yes. Could be £450 a month if you want to tie it in with frivolous spending, but whores will have their trinkets.>>93844748Probably has happy as you are to live with zero reading comprehension.
>>93844757Can you let me know why you want people to live on the edge? Does it bring you joy to imagine someone who brings lots of joy to lots of people with their work, struggling and full of stress?
>>93844779>Can you let me know why you want people to live on the edge?I think we've already established it's not living on the edge at all. I've also not said I WANT people to do so, I'm saying £22k a year is perfectly acceptable for people whose "job" is to draw toys. Want more money? Get a better (in this case "real") job. Don't expect to live even more luxuriously just because you're self-entitlement is blinding you.>Does it bring you joy to imagine someone who brings lots of joy to lots of people with their work, struggling and full of stress?Pic related.
>>93844794Name a real job. Companies should compensate their workers fairly. Its not like its 0 skill co op shelf stacker. They have very niche skills in a niche hobby thats worth billions.
>>93844809>Name a real job.Surgeon. Delivery driver. Engineer. Bin man. Basically, anything that society actually needs to keep functioning.>Companies should compensate their workers fairly.£22k is fair.>Its not like its 0 skill co op shelf stacker.I'd actually argue they deserve more, they're at least performing a service for society.>They have very niche skills in a niche hobby thats worth billions.Then find another company that will pay more.
>>93844860>Surgeon Okay buddy, im done being baited.
>>93844876You're not being baited, though. You asked for a real job, I gave you 4 random ones. I can only assume you now conceding defeat is because you've realised you can't argue against that.
>>93844860>quality entertainment is not required in this trainwreck of societyI understand that you are psychopathic. It is in itself a punishment, being you, but you will taste that medicine yourself soon enough.>t. nta
>>93844911>I understand that you are psychopathic.Labelling someone psychopathic because they disagree with you over the value of toy designers in society is extremely childish and petulant, but I can't expect much from someone as self-entitled as you.>It is in itself a punishment, being you, but you will taste that medicine yourself soon enough.Fortunately for me, I'm a chemical engineer, so I do actually get paid well.
>>93844961No, you are psychopathic because you equate their job to non-real. When it will hit you, you will know it was coming.
>>93845255You might want to look up the defintion of "psychopathic", then. Dimissing their nonsense job isn't psychopathic, grow up.
>>93846031Psychopathic is thinking they deserve to live with 250 quid a month before leisure
>>93818271>They have designers on £19-22k a yearthe UK average is 34k and the uk minimum for anybody aged 21 or over is 23.7kif you have evidence that they're illegally underpaying adult employees you should contact the authorities immediately>>93818350oh my god does everybody know about this? why doesn't somebody do something to help those poor people working for a company that won't pay minimum wage even though that's trivial to prove and enforce?
>>93846179Lucky I said £250 a month after leisure, then. Retard.
>>93846239Do the math bozo.
>>93846258Already did it for you here >>93844697Sorry that you're both incapable of reading or doing math. But you definitely deserve more than £22k a month... that was sarcasm, by the way.
>>93818350Correct. If you have talent, and you are accepting far below what you should be getting paid just to work at "your dream company", you're a fucking retard who deserves poverty. Especially if you support current GW as they do everything they can to change the game so they can milk Fink for all the ESG bucks they can.Hammerfags on both sides of the aisle - those working for GW and those buying products - are some of the biggest fags in tabletop right now, since they support a company which openly hates them.
>>93822282>They get lower quality workers that way though.1) Nerdshit has never required nor ever had a high caliber level of creatives involved with because2) Nerds have no taste and will slop up any garbage. Nerds are the ultimate consoomers, tasteless retards who will pay hundreds if not thousands of dollars a pop for .05¢ worth of plastic or cardboard and ink.This is why company's like Games Workshop and White Wolf and Wizards of the Coast can absolutely shit on their fandoms and consumers are every turn and still get their balls gargled at the end of the day, because nerds are stupid retards that deserve to get exploited.
>>93844748>datingThat was never a problem, he design toys
>>93844779Take the L mate
Don't care. If you aren't getting paid enough quit. If you don't, you're not only fucking yourself but accepting a low wage lowers the market wage for a similar employee.
>>93846322>tastelessWho even brings this shit up?Art is all fake garbage. There's nothing of worth being made anywhere and there's no standards to speak of and yet Anon here wants to look down their nose like high culture exists & might be offended.
>>93844697What backwater shithole do you live in where your monthly rent and utilities combined are only 800?
>>93844860> find another company that will pay more.“Go out and get a different job if you’re so unhappy” is and has always been a bullshit non-rebuttal. You are in no way guaranteed a job anywhere, and employers will always lowball wages as hard as they possibly can because with today’s highly educated working age population, each individual worker is both worth less and more replaceable. Aside from that, no, having enough money to pay bills, eat low quality food, and pray to whatever god will listen that you don’t get sick, or hurt, or have to have something replaced or repaired is in fact not adequate compensation. Having enough to not die is not living.
>>93838462very high iq take, unfortunately materialists are usually of the demographic that cant even imagine an apple so they wont understand abstract concepts like vibes and fiat currency
>>93822866Underpaid workers do sloppy work and/or leave. If most of your workforce are practically interns, you don't get a quality product. And these things are priced up to the roof. Of course it's GW's priority to make the people actually working invisible, so good job on being a consooming cattle.
>>93818271Sure ok, but they are right tho.
>>93838462Understandable but im more pushing back on the pajeet levels of delusion that comes with boasting that your corporate masters are making so much money that certain Yanks love to do.
>>93842398Visited it once on my Trip to Japan last year. It was ok, Just a slightly bigger GW store than you would usually find in bongland.
>>93844697>deserveNo one deserves anything both in positive and negative sense, idealistic, goody do shoes mouthbreather.
>>93844794>muh not real jerbEither boomer or some extra retarded whigger who shares their views.
>>93846265Why would anybody bother reading your worthless posts and why you are so obsessed with math?
>>93849916Oh so you didn’t go to the one with the cafe then?
>>93818271Think of Ollanius Pious whenever you get the swirlie in the office on any particular day.
Forgive me for the delay in replying, I've been busy doing a real day's work.>>93847091I live in a nice little village about 15 mins away from the Elizabeth Line. Let me guess, you're throwing a tantrum that other people put effort in to find good accomodation for a decent price so it has to be a shithole?>>93847189>“Go out and get a different job if you’re so unhappy” is and has always been a bullshit non-rebuttal. Not really, it's more that you have no actual argument against it, you know it's right.>You are in no way guaranteed a job anywhere, and employers will always lowball wages as hard as they possibly can because with today’s highly educated working age population, each individual worker is both worth less and more replaceable.Except I've been told repeatedly that drawing toys is an extremely niche and skilled profession, which inherently means otherwise.>eat low quality food,Why are you eating low quality food? Learn to cook, it will help you mature.>and pray to whatever god will listen that you don’t get sickWe have the NHS here, and sick pay exists.>or have to have something replaced or repaired is in fact not adequate compensationThat's what savings are for. Hell, you could even cut down on frivolous spending to cover unexpected repairs.>Having enough to not die is not living.And here we have it, the truth of the issue: you're a self-entitled, over-dramatic child desperate for a luxurious life you don't deserve, while deriding the factually real existing luxury you can already have for £22k. Don't like it, get a better paying job. Can't get one, work up to it. Don't want to do that, then go see how your sad demands work in a real impoverished country.Now for the samefag:>>93850254>No one deserves anythingSure thing, you retarded post-modernist toddler.>>93850262Or someone who knows that designing toys isn't a valuable skill to society, but you've got no argument.>>93850267Confirmed for mathematically illiterate.
>>93833648Anon, among the first thing that the revolutionaries did was re-shuffling rent and property rights in a way that invalidated existing rights held by nobility.
>>93850771I think i did? The Cafe was just in a corner and it wasnt anything special like the Pokemon or FF14 cafe i went to. It had some cool dioramas but i expected more. It was the one in Akihabara.
>>93818350It is partly on them anon but it takes two hands to clap, GW has only ever taken young people with little experience and has done everything they can to remove all leverage by deliberately destroying their ability to make a living outside of GW. Did you know that a GW employee is not allowed to do any work outside of the company, even for unrelated things? I interviewed with Forge World for an illustrator job in 2017 and was really taken aback by this when they told me I wasn't even allowed to do my own work. GW used to give you credit for your work, run features on the staff so people got to know them, didn't pay well but took care of your housing and gave you a job in a relaxed environment you could at least count on keeping. None of that is true any more besides the low pay.
>>93860147The only reason they are like that is that the 40k autismus are so stoked to work at GW that they'll agree to anything. The next step is using the work of those newblood artist who signed it off to GW to train AI and kick the artists.
>>93846286All you retards spouting this nonsense are ignoring the fact it is totally normal to take a shit job in a field to make your name and pay your dues so that you can then make a career on your own. This goes for every top design studio in graphics, fashion etc. where you get ridden hard but even making it six months with them means you can walk into another company. This used to be the case at GW where you only got paid five grand a year but every employee could freelance and then go on to do their own thing. GW deliberately stopped giving credit to all creative staff for this reason.
>>93818370>I'm gladBet you're also glad when you're paying through the nose for no real reason
>>93822144Because the books are cooked anon, remove literally just ten billionaires form the American population and their median wages falls from 60 grand to 30 grand, the real median salary in the UK is 20 grand or lower. I'm not a communist but it's pretty galling when retards here all immediately run to defend their masters ability to rob them blind
>>93818271Twitter thing is basically this, don't think too much about it
>>93818296>femstodes was a smokescreen to cover actual issues within the companyEVERYFUCKINGTIME
>>93822355My monthly expenses, keyboard can't make a pound sign>Food, 50>Phone, 6>Rent and council tax, 250>Utilities, 60Convert these into Canadian funny money and you will be surprised how cheap it is. Apparently most of this would be 10x in the US and worse in Canada
>>93860217This thread has taught me that people here don’t understand what the word median means in practice.
>>93860251>rent and council tip 250Wtf let me in
>>93860147>but it takes two hands to clapYou're making it sound like that was a defence of GW's business practices, not a criticism of GW employees for making dumb career choices because they're blinded by their fandomIf a company's treating employees poorly, whether that's in pay or conditions, the correct response is to withdraw labour until conditions are improved. The ones who know the pay/conditions are shit (which seems to be a lot of them, given just how many come out to publicly bitch about it once they leave GW), but continue to work there out of some bizarre kind of brand loyalty are scabs. Plain and simple
>>93860251What are you eating with those expenses? Canned beans and potatoes only?
>>93860287>Canned beans and potatoesAka the only edible British foods
>>93860287>he doesn't ricemaxngmi
>>93825523I mean, casters on Etsy will just give people what they want and do a retooled version of the PWG models from the 90's instead.
>>93860276Yeah maybe it is anon and that actually happened, all the talented people left years ago, all the young talented people now work for themselves and GW is full of retards putting out garbage. It didn't kill GW or make it change it just made their products shit>>93860287I subsist off oats, milk, cheese, chicken, bacon, bread, butter, potatoes, spring onions, peppers, dried fruit, cucumbers and eggs.
Whilst finding an appropriate image (from ex-GW chairman Tom Kirby's "Little Red Book") I discovered that Tom Kirby sold £20m of shares in 2018. A nice retirement but if he'd done it two years later he'd have got ten times as much lel. Serves the cunt right.>>93860264Scary isn't it. Never mind trying to explain income tax brackets to people.
>>93860314Did they ever define "fit with GW"?
>>93860332It means 'kiss the arse that's currently shitting on you', it was in the lesser known little brown book
>>93860312>all the young talented people now work for themselves and GW is full of retards putting out garbage. It didn't kill GW or make it change it just made their products shitMany such cases, innit
>>93860293Nigga, The best of all American food are just extensions of British and other European food. Perhaps you guys should stop living in WW2.
>>93860385>t. seething britisher
>>93860392>Outing himself as a PajeetAh it all makes sense now.
>>93860314>scary isn’t itMakes me realize that sadly GW dumbing down AoS and 40k by removing hit and wound tables to flat values is probably a smart move to appeal to more people. The average person is really dumb. Niche games like HH or Old World and necromunda are the last refuge of kino in GW IP gameplay. I love old world and got back into TT because of it, but I hope it never rivals or surpasses AoS for that reason.
>>93818296Why isn't Rob the Faggot Warhammer posting from his Honest Wargamer X handle????> his commentYeah he is correct fuck companies like this
>>93818665They get a massive discount (something like 50%) and while they are not suppose to resale... well... sometimes that's hard to police
>>93860312With £50 a month food expenses your daily meal costs less than £2 a day, where are cheeses, bacon, chicken and eggs that cheap?
>>93860469Buying cheddar cheese in farmfoods at one pound and butter at 1.49 per 500g and cooking bacon in lidl at two pounds a kilo, one egg is 15p, chicken can still be had for three pounds a kilo. I should also have added lard which has went up to 50p for 500g, a small jar of honey for tea is 75p.These are all quality ingredients and I don't eat anything pre-made besides the cheese and butter. Two litres of milk is one pound from farmfoods of which I drink 500ml a day and I supplement D3, K2, C, zinc, creatine monohydrate and omega 3, all of which I have bought in bulk years ahead. I am 240lbs @ 6' down from at least 320lbs. I no longer eat any pre-cooked food as it is too expensive and I have lost all desire for it but I used to go to the chip shop every day for lunch and would eat the infamous munchy box once a week which seemed cheap at the time but cost what I now spend in a week.
>>93860821I might add I have discovered that I derive far more pleasure from penny-saving than I do from eating and as an autism-enjoyer I derive great satisfaction from the precise nutritional list-building involved
>>93860853>from the precise nutritional list-building involvedMan's out here tracking his calories on Battlescribe
>>93860217>remove literally just ten billionaires form the American populationOn it, boss.
>>93846903Why would you out yourself as a peasant like this anon?
>>93844860>Surgeon. Delivery driver. Engineer. Bin man. Basically, anything that society actually needs to keep functioning.I make more than all of the above and my job has little to do with keeping society with a capital S running.
>>93860821Good job on the weight loss anon. Keep it up. WAGMI.
>>93844697>rent and bills 800You are a lying faggot OR you live in a shared house in a single bedroom.My man, this isn't living. You do know that, right?
>>93860821I meal prep and eat whole foods too, it's kind of expensive.
>>93852963>Or someone who knows that designing toys isn't a valuable skill to society, but you've got no argument.Maybe 1% of the workforce has a valuable skillset. The rest can be taught to the next in line or replaced by AI.
>>93852963>I live in a nice little village about 15 mins away from the Elizabeth LineParents' house confirmed.
>>93868096Yeah he lives in a 10x10 box with a shower and oven next to each o>>93868042ther
>>93818350>>93822282UK job market is terrible and companies here take advantage of low worker costs because it's just a revolving door of kids straight out of uni and either have to accept working their "dream job" or go work in a call centre.It's the exact same thing happening in softwaredev/gamedev.The housing market and low social mobility in the UK means the majority the people can't afford to turn down a GW job or take a better paying job in another city for example.Plus its GW so there's plenty of retarded geeks who want to get fucked up the ass by them.
>>93868096Not a shared house, it's a rented 1 bedroom bungalow. Sorry you're having a worse life.>>93868296Therefore, nobody should be complaining they aren't paid enough, because they can simply pick up a job that can be taught to anyone for a higher pay. Unless, you're somehow saying 99% of jobs are below £22k a year?>>93868303My landlord is a 70 year old Indian man... I'm a 30 year old white man. There's no relation there, but whatever you need to tell yourself to make yourself feel better.
>>93870353Yeah 1 bedroom midget flat fit for a slave or 18 year old student
>>93870405>OH HOW COULD I POSSIBLY LIVE WITHOUT 18 ACRES AND 28 BEDROOMS, YOU HAVE TO PAY ME TWICE THE AVERAGE BECAUSE I DESERVE IT FOR DRAWING TOYS!!!1!This is how desperately self-entitled and childish you sound.
>>93822355canadian dollars are akin to monopoly money, that doesnt count
>>93872818Back to your shoebox Nigel
>>93870353>a nice little village about 15 mins away from the Elizabeth Line>a rented 1 bedroom bungalow>rent & utilities at only £800pcmThis is an abject fucking LARP.
>>93846212I along friends once got together and sued the company we worked at due this and other work conditions reasons (lifeguard).The company refused to show up until the last warning, never said a single thing during the court cases and never denied the accusations. It still took the whole process almost 3 years and we were just paid what we weren't paud at the time +1k extra.The company then hired a whole new team for next years, dumb foreigners without aelf-respect qnd did the exact same. Bcause they were from outside they had much more issues to complain. The company still does the thing.We were also lucky too, the estate took care of the costs so we didn't spend any money on all this, but ut makes sense many workers would rather leave than fight back. The company can stall a lot and I have no idea why the law doesn't slap them harder for all the bullshit they pull.I still don't understand why the >"we never did that">some days and evidence later>"okay we did that"move isn't an instant punishment. You lied, you fucked the process and there was no reason other than greed. Regardless of the end result of the case, that should be fined hard.
>>93818271its so funny this company is still so profitable even though they have a stagnant IP, overcharge their customers, and treat their staff like shit. Neckbeards have no hope.
>>93860314Sweet pulsating Spider Christ that is not even vaguely what that grid is for. Firstly it's meant to have nine boxes, not four, and you sure as shit don't boot your high performers out the door. The high performers should definitionally be pushing back on things sometimes, their ability to see shit you missed is part of what makes them high performers.>>93842407Yeah probably, depends to what extent people can be formally trained and whether leadership are prepared to swallow the associated training costs. I'm guessing for GW it's a 'not at all' on both counts.
>>93844809If they didn't consider it fair they'd work somewhere else. Of less of course they can't, in which case they're being paid fairly because their work is of low value.
>>93876623Back to your tantrums, zoomer.>>93876629Tell yourself whatever you need to. Meanwhile, I'll keep living the life that's making you seethe.
>>93877277>Sweet pulsating Spider Christ that is not even vaguely what that grid is forIt is when you're trying to create a cult more than a functional business. The entire book is full of that shit. It's full of the exact kind of thinking that lead to people doing stuff like "GW doesn't advertise" and there being "wrong" products to sell to people in their stores. You know, their stores that only sell their own products. Those stores. If you ever want to know why GW is such a weird company, that book has the answers as even with Kirby booted, it is scarred deep into the psyche of the whole corporate structure. That and they're large enough that they pull from videogames for executives these days. Honestly the only thing separating GW from a typical 'AAA' videogame company these days is GW hasn't had a big reveal that there's a massive amount of just open rapists and paedophiles running things.
>>93877418Theres a thing called a work life balance you slave. Very smart people can struggle to find employment as positions fill quickly, you can earn more than 23k at the co op but you need to answer a 40 question questionaire and you can see that 800 people applied for that little corner store. Job market is absolutely trash and you have to know someone to get a decent job. So someone will take a low wage for a guranteed job that doesnt kill their soul. It doesnt mean its not undervalued.Heres my >Trust me broIm in employment as a job.
>>93872818I think a miniature designer at billion+ valued company games workshop, living in expensive nottingham, should be paid 25k in their junior years (2) and then 28-34k depending on experience.Explain why this is not reasonable without saying>The company decided they aren't worth that much!!!!
>>93877946Oh yeah that is super not how you make the business better. You want to encourage the top left, the bottom left are the ones you want to do remedial work on and/or sack.What I can't figure out is why they think they can train their way out of a 'bad fit' moron but not a competent 'bad fit'.
>>93878112>Explain why this is not reasonable without sayingI think you need to explain why it IS reasonable, since you're the one demanding the change.
>>93878112It's what people are willing to take for the job. That determines what a job is worth. Seriously, it's the only factor.
>>93878112>>The company decided they aren't worth that much!!!!Actually, the employee decided that when they accepted the job, they valued themselves and then bizarrely act like it's anybody else's fault.
>>93844860>SurgeonJew spotted
>>93880665Is Geedubs even a monopsony in Nottingham? It doesn't even sound like it, so these nerds really have nobody to blame but themselves.
>>93881352How exactly is thinking that surgeons do vital work jewish, poltard?
