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>>93974658Holy shit. My mom came into my room to bring me a plate of chicken nuggets and I literally screamed at her and hit the plate of chicken nuggets out of her hand. She started yelling and swearing at me and I slammed the door on her. I'm so distressed right now I don't know what to do. I didn't mean to do that to my mom but I'm literally in shock from the results this morning. I feel like I'm going to explode. Why the fucking fuck Dockside banned? This can't be happening. I'm having a fucking breakdown. I don't want to believe the RC is so corrupt. I want a future to believe in. I want Sheldon to be alive and fix this broken format. I cannot fucking deal with this right now. It wasn't supposed to be like this, I thought he was okay with rule 0???? This is so fucked.
JUST
>mfw today's ban announcements
>>93974673Awesome. Every card should be worth a dollar at most.
>>93974658>What card should be banned next?Every single "this was made to be a $50+ commander card" Wipe the slate clean, return to the true spirit of the format.
>TQBan every timmybait card for the meltdown lulz
All the "investors" that were pubstomping with fast mana for years lost thousands of dollars on cards they were never going to sell in the first place. Today is a good day.
>JUST
>>93974708investors don't play the gamethe people pubstomping weren't selling because they were using them
>>93974658>What card should be banned next?Go to EDHRec, got to Commanders, sort by popularity and ban the top 100 most popular commanders.
Reprint the Reserve List, and let's see some investor suicides.
get rekt commander simps, this is what you get for destroying 1v1 magic and replacing it with a literal boardgame
>>93974735Hell yes. Go all the way with it. It's been far too long.
>>93974743Only cEDH and investorfags are mad.Also no one forced you to stop playing 1v1. Mostly that happened because wotc won't allow proxies in sanctioned events.
>>93974735God I wish. Wanted this bad bitch for years
Which card was:>The Pentagon>The Twin Towers>Flight 93?
>>93974658Predictions how low the Jeweled Lotus will go? It's literally unplayable now. Only worth it has is as a proxy.
You're laughingcEDH players and investors lost hundreds and you're laughing
They better not start banning tutors, Rhystic study, etc. I want strong consistent decks to be possible in EDH
>>93974773YesNow let me laugh even harder
>>93974760EDH also only became the "Main" format of the game after wizards thoroughly destroyed every 1V1 format. And no, they didn't destroy them with cards designed for commander, they destroyed them by printing stupidly strong chase rares/mythics, and Modern Horizons.
If they banned orcish bowmasters I would personally suck the cock of every single member of the RCDeep throat, sloppy face fuck ball tonguing actionI fucking hate that card so much
>>93974760No cedh fags are mad, no matter how hard you push your narrative. I'm completely apathetic, especially considering the bans will likely be reversed. Investorfags are on suicide watch, deservedly so. Same with casuals who only own one expensive card that just got banned.
>>93974735>Reprint the Reserve ListAbsolutely. It's bullshit that Gaea's Cradle is a 600 dollar card. Either reprint it or ban it.
Tiny Leaders chads win again
>>93974782I stopped playing 1v1 because it rotates (all of them do) while costing 500+ to not get stomped
>>93974743Ackshually I quite like this fallout>JUST RULE 0 COCKSIDE IF YOU HATE IT SO MUCH>Dockside gets banned>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!Just rule 0 it back in then fag
>>93974658
so how much did your LGS lose in value from the bans?mine only had a single card in stock for crypt, lotus, and dockside so not terrible
>>93974788>No cedh fags are madGaslighting is retarded. You can find 6000 posts on twitter right now.>IT'LL BE REVERSEDThis would cause things to be even worse since people already sold/destroyed theirs.
>>93974773And? Don't get invested in the monetary value of an asset unless you're okay with it going to 0.
>>93974782>EDH also only became the "Main" format of the game after wizards thoroughly destroyed every 1V1 format.This. The reason EDH got so popular was specifically because it was a way to escape WotC's bullshit. And then WotC brought its bullshit to EDH.
>>93974798>how much did your lgs losethe comical fictional scenario in which an LGS' 'worth' goes into negatives, and has to close because they invested too heavily into JewLo coin
>>93974773Damn right I amI'm gonna start offering to buy them for a buck to use as treasure tokens.
>>93974798Not too much since those cards actually come and go very quickly due to cedhfags. They still have stock of the fancy variants, but those tend to hold their price compared to the normal ones.
>>93974768tower 7 was nadu lmao
>>93974788>the bans will likely be reversedNever going to happen.
I can imagine a lawsuit over this, they printed this set with the lotus as marketing and chase rare of the set, (and it happened to be priced at like $50 a booster???) people bought boxes and boxes of them, and now a ban from the only format its legal in? Holy shit I would be pissed if I had one
I actually want them to revert the ban because the screaming from people who already sold or set their lotuses on fire will be legendary
Overthrow the rules committee
>>93974793... Which was caused by wizards constantly printing stupidly strong chase cards. Standard USED to be cheaper, but then they started to print retarded shit which ballooned the price to similar to what a modern deck was previously, and then for modern and legacy, all the new busted cards shoved out old decks that had been doing quite well for years and made them unviable overnight. The fact that Jund is no longer a good deck in modern is frankly appalling, regardless of your opinions on that particular deck.
Stasis >GoneWinter Orb >GoneNadu, Winged Wisdom >GoneVorinclex, Voice of Hunger >GoneArmageddon >GoneThassa's Oracle >GoneStatic Orb >GoneTergrid, God of Fright >GoneThe One Ring >Gone
>>93974803They're retards, sucks to be them. Dont be a hyperbolic twat and use common sense. Crypt is still played in vintage, dockside could theoretically be used somewhere. Lotus, however, is a lost cause. And why would anyone ever go on twitter, let alone trust their opinions?
>>93974827There is literally no one they can sue since Rules Committee isn't a part of WotC.
lmao
>>93974827WOTC and the RC are not the same entity. RC is a community formed group. RC is not employed by WOTC. WOTC is free to take advice from a player group. Also these sets are made years in advance.
>>93974837>this retard anonPretty bad taste there.
>>93974768Lotus was twin towersCrypt was pentagonRC were the hijackers and wotc were the dancing Israelis
>>93974836Standard was expensive and prohibitive when I started in fucking 2012. It's not new.Khans had 400+ dollar control decks running around.
Apocalypse >GoneJin-Gitaxias, Core Augur >GoneThe Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale >GoneRhystic Study >GoneExpropriate >GoneDrannith Magistrate >GoneDevastation >GoneGrand Arbiter Augustin IV >GoneJokulhaups >GoneRavages of War >GoneObliterate >GoneHokori, Dust Drinker >GoneDecree of Annihilation >GoneCyclonic Rift >GoneFierce Guardianship >GoneNether Void >GoneHumility >GoneRising Waters >GoneSmothering Tithe >GoneOpposition Agent >GoneWorldfire >GoneMindslaver >GoneSheoldred, the Apocalypse >GoneOrcish Bowmasters >GoneEmrakul, the Promised End >GoneTectonic Break >GoneBlood Moon >GoneImpending Disaster >GoneBack to Basics >GoneFarewell >GoneSmokestack >GoneToxrill, the Corrosive >GoneGaea's Cradle >GoneWinter Moon >Gone
>>93974827It'd be a retarded lawsuit that'd only end up hurting everyone involved.Since if you start suing companies over the loss in value of collectibles as an asset, then the FTC might get interested in what's going on and start reclassifying things.
I proxy all cards over a certain amount so I don't give a shit but this is definitely going to hurt people's faith in opening packs. Not sure why people still do that either but it's definitely going to make the few people that do think twice
>>93974844What is he crying about, those variants lost 20% only.
>>93974798ThousandsA friend of mine pulled a red mana crypt from an Ixalan booster and sold it to the LGS to buy more sealed product
>>93974845>>93974841I suppose that's true but they clearly have a working relationship. The ban announcements are posted on wizards' site.
>>93974837when IS the one ring getting banned anyway? i understand wizards having to drag their feet on banning it but it's lasted far longer than i ever would have expected
>>93974857>>93974837>>93974768Fuck off csm retard
>>93974844>make the financial choice to spend 1000 dollars on an item worth 200>"NOOOOO MY MONEY"Also this is like...two days work, tops. What a financial hit. A financial hit is when you wake up one day and owe 45k. Not when you lose 1500 in fucking cardboard.
D-DIAMONDHANDS, HOLD ONTO THOSE CARDS BOYS, THEY'RE SURE TO CAVE; THEY'LL GO BACK UP IN PRICE.APE TOGETHER STRONGn-no, why are you selling? stop selling! NO NO OUR INVESTMENTS
>>93974850You always could get standard to cost stupid amounts of cash, but it was the exception. IIRC most competitive standard decks were a couple hundred bucks back then, and you could get decent stuff for around 100. Hardly breaking the bank.
This would be the absolutely perfect time to announce Final Fantasy Universes Beyond and bury the outrage. Would actually laugh if they did
>>93974869Once the licensing gibs are over
>>93974827All you'd get from that is a moistcritikal video laughing at you.
>>93974872Bold of you to assume that people who play cedh actually work. That's their parents money.
>>93974869I do not believe it will ever be banned. I would not be surprised if their contracts stated they can't.
>>93974869One ring isnt even that good without paradox engine, and like one deck runs that, and it's currently outclassed by eldrazi.
Why are all EDH players bound to the words of a bunch of neckbeards with a sense of unwarranted self-importance? Cards should only be banned locally by playgroups and not some overarching power.I bet every single one of these jews sold their Lotuses and Mana Crypts before making the announcement too. They should be investigated for insider trading.
>>93974891Retards like rudy and wubby "work"
>>93974893One Ring is good in every single deck regardless of what the deck does. It's as generically strong as Sol Ring.
>>93974844
>>93974898>I bet every single one of these jews sold their Lotuses and Mana Crypts before making the announcement too.
>>93974898this but all formats.
>>93974898where was this post before the ban announcement
>>93974869OH NO NO NO
Boy that thread went faster than a cop on his way to remove someone from the premises of a gamestore for playing a banned card
There is no reason ancient tomb shouldn't also be banned
>>93974919kek
>>93974658You could have prevented this, all you had to do was self regulate with rule 0.
>>93974898If you want to ever be able to move from one table to another you need a common framework of some kind.
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THAT THE CARDS GOT BANNEDTHE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY WERE PRINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE
>>93974903>t. anon who doesnt play magicOh no, a 4 mana card draw engine, whatever will we do?
>>93974905are the blue bars the amount of sales?
>>93974930You'll lose or play your own One Ring.
Did people burn their lotuses? Link, I wanna see this
>>93974905it's insane that the paypig version of jeweled lotus was creeping near $600 at one point... what the fuck
>>93974921And all green ramp should be banned. Just watch how the mere thought sends them into a tizzy.
>>93974917i le counterspell it tho
>>93974921BUT THE SMOL BEAN COLORLESS COMMANDER DECKS NOOOO
>>93974905NOT LOW ENOUGH
/ourguy/ Seth (better known as SaffronOlive says to quit crying chudEDH faggots
>>93974917So they draw a card, don't lose any life, get a 4/4 eventually, and made you play a card from your hand. What a counter.
>>93974928This guy has it right. If you want to be mad at someone, be mad at WotC who deliberately robbed you by printing overpowered artificially rare bullshit cards. These cards should never have been printed in the first place.
>>93974743What? Anon the vast majority of commander players are going to be fine with this. The only people who will be upset will be investors. This is a win for commander and I hope they keep going.
>>93974844>equity>cardboard playing cards
>>93974917At least try posting a good card like Counterspell.
>proxied 4 of each card except Nadu a year ago>the worst this did was had me replace them with lands or 2cmc rocks I have laying around>they costed me less than a couple dollars>mfw people on FB/Twitter REEEEing on their real cards, especially "investors"Feels great man
>>93974938some mtg basedtuber did, 8thplacedave or some shit
>>93974976God, I remember a few years back during COVID, after everyone got their trumpbux, a bunch of grifters were saying how good it was that the younger generation was getting into investing, but they were "Investing" in nonstandard stuff, IE collectibles and crypto and the like.
personally, there is nothing I enjoy more than cutting a pushed optimal card for a synergistic card. I feel deep frustration whenever I come to the conclusion that the thing holding my deck back is that it's not running enough design mistakes.
>>93974976I wouldn't doubt that collectively at least half a million was lost. Lawyers eat that shit UP. Especially when it's a big bad corporation involved. Easy money baby
>>93974858Good fuck WoTC
>>93974975This. The ban announcement is happy news for every real EDH player. Only people upset are people buying shit like JLo and Crypt, and those people deserve their punishment for trying to gain advantage through money in what's supposed to be a fun casual game.Only problem I have with this move is that I'm worried Mana Vault will go further up in price because of whales flocking to it as a replacement for Crypt. Still, if that happens they can ban that too.
>>93974658>Sheldon dies>RC immediately becomes even bigger money hungry faggots
>>93975012It'd fuck players over too, since suddenly now you have to declare the value of your magic cards on your taxes.
>>93974985proxymidwits keep winning
>>93975005No lawyer would touch this shit
>>93974795Where's the guy who's having a ball with this ban list?
>>93974858Oh god, that would be the best outcome. If Magic was classified as illegal gambling, WotC would be forced to remove the "collectible" scam from it entirely and sell sets in nonrandom boxes.
>>93974954That was never our guy, fuck that faggot.
>>93975043everyone outside of the fire wave.
>>93974827How is it lawsuit worthy? The card is there. Just as advertised. Just can't play it anywhere.
Should I build Preston? I've been thinking about mono-white. Does the fact that he makes tokens rather than doubling triggers like Elesh Norn or Delney allow for a different style of play besides picking anointed procession over panharmonicon?
>>93975024How furious will this guy be if they revert the ban?
>>93975044Agreed fuck the gambling addicts
He's right you know
>>93975044Unironically it'd cause hasbro to collapse before they'd be able to shift gears. Magic is literally the only thing keeping them afloat right now, and they've been slowly taking on water for ages now.It'd also just... nuke the entire TCG market. Konami, Bandai, Nintendo and a bunch of other companies would have words to say about things if it happened. And that assumes that they don't decide to just redefine collectibles as a whole, which could fuck up a TON of other companies.
Is this what it feels like to be a Modern player?
this is so sad can we ban rhystic study
>>93974837Yeah I'd be fine with all this too on top of what we got today. Hell, throw in Rhystic Study too while we're at it. Then reprint anything that wasn't banned into the dirt.
>>93975062He's gonna be waiting for a long time before that will happen. See Kokopuffs and Painters Servant.
>>93975023Good luck, it'd be literally unenforceable for anyone but LGS's and fuck them too, 99% of stores are just as scummy as WoTC.
They were wrong to take those cards away from you, Anonymous - hundreds, even thousands of dollars gone in an instant. What sort of Just world would allow that? That anger, and that disgust inside of you is the only thing justified here; you should use those emotions to fill the hollow feeling inside of you, at the loss of your Jeweled Lotus, your Dockside - cultivate your feelings to become something greater.
>>93975069>>>>>>>>>>>>investedThere it isThe mother fucker himself
>>93975087A just world wouldn't allow that, since a just world wouldn't allow cards to reach such absurd prices to begin with.
>>93975069God I hope they ban Gaea's cradle one day. I'd love to get a playset for Legacy but not at $600/pop
>>93975069>that profile pici can't help but be reminded of a certain hentai site...
>>93975087>thousands of dollars gone in an instant.a whole work day!
I don't even play anymore but I had to come to witness the meltdown. Maybe you should have known better than to spend a HUNDRED bucks on cardstock lmao. Might pick up a dozen jew lotuses to gift to my friend as treasure tokens when they drop to $2.99
>>93975103Imagine ""investing"" in a card game
>>93975116>$2.99You'd still be overpaying.
>>93975116Why do you retards keep coming in like this general is melting down? Most of this thread is laughing about it. It's retards on twitter melting down.
i would genuinely be sad if they ever ban brown dark ritual
>we had to ban mana crypt and jewel lotus, b-because you are ahead on mana and thats u-unfair!dumb bans desu
Why are poorfags so spiteful?You see people upset at losing something you never even had in the first place, and you're compelled to celebrate.Crabs in a fucking bucket, I swear.
This is the end of the rules committee
>>93975076Actually a good ban. That, remora and smothering tithes so all the "Will you pay the" faggots can shut the fuck up already
>Buy a Jeweled Lotus for my prowess deck>Worked a side job to be able to afford it >Two months later it gets banned>Going to throw it a box to rot for the rest of time because the RC are mad they lost to a deck with fast manaThere was nothing wrong with playing with or against fast mana and the people complaining are whiny cunts. Oh no someone has an early game advantage better ban those cards. Fucking fuck I hate this format sometimes
>>93975005>half a million was lostif the cards can plummet in value based on a third-party banning them, they had no real value in the first place. lmao edhcel
oh no no no
>>93975013>Mana Vault will go further up in priceThat's almost certainly going to happen. They'll flock to it any any other possible substitutions. Ban them too I'd say. To hell with those. This move is big not just because of what they hit but because they hit anything at all. That's the biggest surprise and breath of fresh air.
>>93975126My generosity knows no bounds, I'm throwing a bone to those poor LGS owners living under the bridge
It's like Hasbro was trying to teach them a lesson about how stupid it is to spend hundreds on cardboard. I don't see how this serves the long-term interests of the company.
>>93975140>>93974794Doesnt feel good being on the other side of "Just Rule 0 it" huh
This ban is a bad pretense, Its saying they will ban cards that give mana advantage or slight advantages at all.this opens the field very wide and will be a slippery slope.
>people too dumb to realize what's about to happenOnly two possible outcomes: a new untouchable reserved list, or a splintered format that inevitably gets ground into dust by wotc trying to milk both at the same time with consideration for neither. If they were wise they'd walk back the crypt and lotus ban, dockside wasnt really some chase lotto card, and they'd apologize to the spastics that burnt all their cardboard or whatever. But what will happen is they'll stick to their guns, wotc will print crypt 2: electric boogaloo, and the cycle will begin again.
Kek look at all the melties
i hope this causes enough people to quit mtg that they'll have to reverse the ban
I just bought Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus several weeks ago, and on my location and economy, this is very expensive (Mana Crypt costs at least a half month's salary here), I saved for several months for so I could buy those two. Just for it to be banned today. I just hate everything at this point and does not even want to look at any MTG Cards right now. I hate the Members of the EDH RC and Advisory Group which I had unfollowed and unsubscribed on their channels. I dont want to watch their content anymore. I just fucking hate anything MTG as of now.
Imagine having whaled to get the fallout manacrypt just earlier this year
Remember the word, just rule zero them LMAO
>>93975185you could eat them
>>93975143Where are people seeing this shit? I go to tcgplayer and it doesn't show this at all
It's time to return to your mono green roots. Show those goodstuff tryhards what true ramp looks like.
>>93975181>all people who pay for twittercurious
>>93975181
>>93975185You could turn the Jeweled Lotus into a drink coaster.
>>93975187They started the process of banning Mana Crypt over a year ago (seemingly around Sheldon's death), while Wizards pumped out whale bait.
>>93975196and... its banned. it beat the committee members at a table the other day
>>93975196BASED TREEFUCKER
>>93975185HA HA HA>on my location and economy, this is very expensive (Mana Crypt costs at least a half month's salary here), I saved for several months for so I could buy those two.HA HA HA HADarwin was right.
>>93975201
>>93975185If you're that poor this should be a lesson to fucking proxy
WAKE ME UP INSIDEI feel bad about the loss in value but whatever. It's probably better for the format this way and it's a small fraction of money compared to my actual investments (stocks, ETFs, 401k, metals). Loving the salt from "investors".
>>93975225check out all those bricks
>>93975143LOWEEEER<$10 AND I'LL BUY
ay yo get me out of this wack ass crystal prison dawg, i dindu nuffin
>>93975143Why do retards feel this would be some big gotcha? This isn't the government. It's not the stock market. Even if you could prove this, there is NOTHING wrong/illegal ocuring
>>93975147>could of had payed ZERO american US states dollars for it>chose to wageslave instead to debut in the jew tranny circusThis will never not be funny. R3dditoes are literally dope addicts
>>93975061Preston seemed promising. Lots of jank you can probably do not just with cheating things out but also duplicating them with his effect. Though I think you may want to wait a thread or two before asking since right now everyone is enjoying the ban list.
I lost over 2 grand today and I feel nothing.On the stock market. Price fluctuations and all that. I'm still up a good deal from last year though so I've got nothing to complain about. It is what it is.
Tempted to print a fuck ton of proxies of these and hand them out at my lgs or during Halloween
>>93975185Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
>>93975220
>>93975220Kek that one has to be trolling
>>93975183They will never reverse it. If they did, they'd lose all authority they have.
>>93975254SOOOO many of these are nft retards ahaha
>>93975254
>>93975253Fuck off redditor
this format is finished
>>93975185lollmaoImagine burning half a months salary on cardboard for a causal format where nobody cares if you proxy anyways.
>Emiel, useless now that it can't bounce Dockside>Temur Sabertooth, useless now that it can't bounce Dockside>Two mana clones dropped because what else are they going to cloneWhat are some other lines that I missed?
>>93975269They may reverse it (Highly unlikely) but if they do it'll be WAY down the line, and there will be way worse shit that's legal.There's also a good deal of other shit that deserves unban consideration first like Recurring nightmares.
When fake Lotus goes down to $1 I'll buy one copy and turn it into a proxy for a real Lotus.
>>93975269They're gonna reverse it. This is the first ban in THREE YEARS and they fucked it up. They will buckle immediately and go back to never banning anything
I need more drama, it's not enough.I've been online all day, my dopamine receptors are nullifying.
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>>93975220kek I almost considered screen capping and posting this one earlier because of the "MY HUSBANDS DOG DIED" but I couldn't tell if it was ironic
>Jeweled Lotus>Wizards creates card specifically for Commander, specifically referencing commanders>the CRC bans itmy sides
This is funnier than the Golas ban
>>93975282Hullbreaker Horror lost a couple of toysNaus is fractionally worse
Ugh I know I’m just still going to play with the cards and make the people who cry about investors cry and scream at the table until they go tattle.
>>93975291>>93975279Removed the twitter handle. Memes are not for advertising.
>>93975289Most of the rage will be gone tomorrow, and by next week it'll be old news.
>>93975314Lolno. You wish.
>>93975254>>93975273THE BANS ARE NOT THE PROBLEMTHE CARDS BEING PRINTED IN THE FIRST PLACE IS THE PROBLEM
>>93975302Should happen more often. Every time WotC prints this type of "good in every commander deck" shit it makes all decks less imaginative.
>>93975140We would be harming you if we showed you sympathy. We want you to feel stupid and learn your lesson.
>Y-YOU CANt INVEST IN CARDBOARD>card selling stores existI love how stupid poorfags are. Empty brains empty wallets.
>>93975314Yeah. Before long new cards will start to leak and everyone will be back to riding high on those. It'll be fine.
Does anyone in here actually think that Jeweled Lotus is a balanced or fair card for the format? It breaks just about every single rule a card can for deserving a ban.
>>93975335>card selling stores existnot for long usually, they exist in a revolving door sense
The recent ban announcement regarding Commander (EDH) has raised concerns, as it represents a significant and unprecedented change. Historically, the Commander Rules Committee (CRC) has operated independently from Wizards of the Coast (WotC), the creators of Magic: The Gathering (MTG). However, this time the CRC posted a ban statement on WotC's website, which is unusual and potentially signals a shift in how the format is governed.Previously, WotC’s ban announcements, which focused on other formats, rarely included Commander. For example, in the March 2022 ban announcements, Commander wasn’t even mentioned. However, now Commander is being discussed alongside other formats, and this has created confusion and concern among players. The post about the Pioneer format bans on August 26, 2024, highlighted cards being considered for bans, but the same clarity was not applied to Commander. This lack of communication has left players wondering why there wasn't a heads-up about staples like Dockside Extortionist, Mana Crypt, and Jeweled Lotus potentially being banned, which has caused frustration, especially given their financial investment in these cards.Players also worry that more powerful Commander staples, like the Mox artifacts or even Sol Ring, could be banned in the future. The core of the issue seems to lie in the relationship between WotC and the CRC, with some feeling that WotC is profiting off Commander-specific products only for the CRC to later ban those cards, devaluing players’ investments.This situation has sparked discussions within the community about the future of Commander. Some foresee a schism between competitive (cEDH) and casual Commander, with the possibility of separate ban lists for different playstyles. Others are left speculating about what future bans could look like, particularly for iconic cards that have defined the format for years. How this situation unfolds will likely have a long-lasting impact on the competitive Commander scene.
>>93975331Jeweled Lotus was fine.
>>93975140You are bad for the game and you don't realize it.
>>93975339Well we all did for four years especially when it was reprinted in such a short time and advertised as the chase card.
Watch JotC announce Final Fantasy tomorrow with One out of One Winged Angel Sephiroth in pristine Amano art and watch everything get memoryholed
I'd bet good money WotC has some new mana rocks they are trying to push in Commander product next year.
>>93975339>Does anyone in here actually think that Jeweled Lotus is a balanced or fair card for the format?No it's broken as fuck.It never should have been printed, but they did it anyway as a cash grab.It should have been preemptively banned, but they didn't do that because of money.It should have been banned within a month of release due to its obscene power level, but they didn't do that. Nor two months, or a year.They left it until AFTER players had bought out the stock and the sets you found it in were out of print. I wonder why they would do that!
>>93975339Jeweled lotus is the least problematic. It's pretty much only good in monocolour decks, which are notoriously underrepresented. I dont even run it in my autism pile because it's a dead draw most of the time.
>>93974924This. EDH becoming Commander was a mistake.
>>93975326Nah. I've seen this kinda shit before. People freak out for a few days, then everyone goes back to normal, albeit slightly poorer than before.
>>93975333>We want you to feel stupid and learn your lesson.The lesson being "live like you can't afford good things"? To what end? It's not like its a moral choice on your part, you're not abstaining, you just can't afford to participate
>>93975339uhhhhh it makes my 5cmc commander uhhhh viable.... without it my other 99 cards don't work its over for me.....
>>93975360That guy running Cloud Strife, Ex-SOLDIER First Class pub stomp at the LGS?>Me
>>93975342Hmmm the ones around my area have been opened for over a decade or two. No you’re stupid.
>>93975339It was 100% necessary for any 6CMC commander without green.Should it have specified that it could only be used to cast a 6+CMC commander? Yeah probably. Was it that much of an issue that it didn't? Nah not really.
>>93975373Nope. This happened at the worst possible time, completely out of the blue, in the lull between spoiler seasons. Pretty much the worst possible way to announce something like this.
>>93974924So does this banlist confirm the RC was basically waiting for this guy to croak before making changes?
>>93975360>trailer is Jewled Lotus impaled from above with Sephiroth's sword.
>>93975357Oh the iron knees
I’m predicting spicy lgs videos from upcoming commander nights. I want blood.
>>93974837Why don't you like control anon?
>>93975354Honestly I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it if it wasn't such an obvious chase card for whales. If JL was a 6 dollar card instead of a 120 dollar card people would likely have accepted it. But it wasn't.
>>93975254Pissedoffpatriots cringe is harming me through the screen
>>93975400
>>93975374Cards aren't as good as you think they are. I don't want to comfort you or trick you into thinking that this is some kind of unprecedented random tragedy, this is normal, it's completely your fault and it's going to keep happening.
>>93975391They started the "process" of these bans supposedly over a year ago.Sheldon died last September.Make of that what you will.
>I just win by outspending my opponents, that is what makes this game fun for me!I'm going to sell another 1,000 chink knockoff cards because of (You)
>>93975402Well not to worry, it'll be $6 by end of week. Buy now before the RC reverse the ban/cEDH becomes official and unbans all this shit
Jeweled Lotus was already nerfed by its own rules text
My Sythis, unaffected.
INVEST in expensive Sol Rings
>>93975393lol
>>93971861Unregulated insider trading. The committee will stockpile mana crypts and eventually unban it.
>>93975360>"White Materia" as a Jeweled Lotus variant
>>93975411You have this disingenuous act of pretending that some wrong has occurred and that the price crash is justice.It's just strange to me because, again, you weren't choosing to abstain, you were just unable to participate. So this isn't some karmic justice, it just aligns with your spiteful desires
Next on the chopping block
>everyone buys mana vaults>mana vault banned in December
>>93975273>WHY AREN'T YOU MAKING BALANCE DECISIONS SPECIFICALLY FOR MY SIDE-FORMAT?!?Main character syndrome
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY DECK IS >DEAD>D E A D>D>E>A>D>Hasn't even played a game since the banning this morninglol
>>93975425>new Kaito>these bansYuriko eating good right now
>>93975453NOOOOOOO NOT ELVISH SPIRIT GUIDE. I NEED THAT SHIT FOR MY BUDGET ELFBALL COMBO NOOOOO
>mfw the local LGS tryhard deck now has 3 cards of his 99 banned.his seething. I know it.
>>93975439Not him, but I chose to abstain, since paying that much money for a card is ridiculous. As an aside, you may want to look critically at yourself. You aren't going to engender anyone to your position by acting like a condescending twat.
>>93975279Thassa's oracle is far weaker than any of those cards in casual. Thoracle also has answers printed for it. What is my answer for jeweled lotus turn 1? Force?
Sorry, but I just can't get over how funny this is. Jeweled Lotus is ONLY legal in two formats where its ability does actual nothing.
>>93975453these cards are totally fine and balanced
>>93975466Thoracle is the same kind of card as Jeweled. Cards that never should have been printed in the first place.
>>93975390Then I guess the game is dead. Because this is not getting reversed. Reverting this will not revert the people who cut their lotus in half, burned their crypt, or just sold the shit off.
>>93975462>>new Kaito>>these bansNinjas have a few "fair" commanders now and banning Yuriko wouldn't break the archetype.Yuriko however breaks the spirit of the format by sidestepping the commander tax.She's fucking gone ningen
>>93975400Notice how he didn't ban a single monogreen cardToo bad he didn't ban Pyroclasm lul
>>93975462Yuriko will be t0 in cEDH once we get best ninja
>>93975335What LGS exists and is hitched to MTG as its source of income? An LGS stays afloat off of board games and accessories.
>>93975475Sure it will, stop using that as an excuse.
>>93975473At the very least, Thassa was a standard card. Lotus was specifically made for commander. I accept a standard card being busted because people keep saying "DON'T CONSIDER COMMANDER WHEN DESIGNING NON COMMANDER SETS" well that's what you get.
>>93975453yjk
>>93974788Im pumped for a new meta. But there are a lot of spergs sperging out.
NOOOO YOU CANT JUST HAVE A LOT OF MANA IN A FOUR PLAYER SINGLETON GAME HEHE NOW BUY THE NEW STAPLES
sol ring gods win again
>>93975492Keep up the copium
He won.
The absolute seething and crying in the Discord has watered my soul. I love this ban announcement. 10/10 have enjoyed people losing their mindslol.lmao.
>>93975439It's not an instant justice thing, it's more of an I-told-you-so thing, combined with the inherent humor in seeing people hurt themselves and get mad about it. My point isn't that this humor is driven by benevolence, but that it leads to benevolent ends, it's actually better for you if people make fun of you and make you feel stupid (and would be worse for you if people tried to comfort your or tell you that it wasn't your fault).Though, now that you mention it, Hasbro would be forced to make a better and more balanced game if not for all you gullible paypigs, it actually is your fault that the game is so bad.
>>93975485>cards and comic store sells cards>no they’re not selling cardsFix your short circuiting poorfag brain before you reply again
>>93975508What copium? They'll reverse the ban and the retards who burnt their cards or whatever will get fucked, this is a win win.
>>93975517What are you talking about schizo?
>>93975360I can see this happening actually, it IS Tokyo Game Show this week
No explosive sharts allowed
>>93975518Coping
good start today, not really sure why they banned nadu but it was really funny.next we can cut thoracle and free grizzlebeezy
Why is anyone seething? Dockside and mana crypt are 100% broken and jeweled lotus should be reprinted into oblivion
>>93975185>live in african shithole>barely scrape some decent money>hmmm should I invest this valuable money into my livelihood and my family?>no I'll buy a jewish card instead>then thisPeak karma
>>93975520>makes things up and lies>calls other schizoThe eternal seething poorfag.
>>93975425Squirrel fucker won
>>93975466>Thassa's oracle is far weaker than any of those cards in casual.Not really, no. >Thoracle also has answers printed for it.Not really, no.
>>93975456How am I suppose to ramp like crazy if my shit is banned?! WHATS THE POINT IN EVEN PLAYING!?
>>93975538MY*inhale*INVESTMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENTS
Apologize.
>>93975551How does everybody lives not counter thassas oracle?
What is the cynical autism that permeates here and Reddit that you can’t invest in collectibles?It’s just because they’re poor right?
GREENCHADS HOW ARE WE FEELING TODAY
>>93975547>new rule >you can only tap the same card a maximum of 3 times per turnHow fixed is your format?
What are some non-creature permanent discard outlets in Temur? I'm brewing a Flubs the Fool Slime Against Humanity deck and need to be able to discard a card when I have 2 cards left in hand, lest I cast one and discard the other to Flubs.
>>93975546I have enjoyed your posts and I urge you to cry harder.But for what it's worth, no one ever said that you can't sell a piece of cardboard for $600, what we're saying is that the value is made up, it can disappear overnight and you knew that all along.
Chrome MoxMox DiamondMana VaultUnderworld BreachThassas OracleAd NauseumHit these next. Cedh deserves to die.
>>93975069This is a game, not an investment.Also if it is an investment, sometimes they don't pay out. Sucks to suck
>>93975570A non-zero amount of the celebratory noise is probably paid Hasbro or RC shills.This was a calculated move to be sure.
>>93975570Investing in collectables is for people too retarded for big boy stocks
>half my decks just got an open slotSweet
Zeganabros, it's finally over
>>93975581Use scryfall brother
>>93975592>simicirrelevant
>>93975588hasbro is probably pissed
>>93975570Shut the fuck up and invest in stocks and leave hobbies alone you fucking retard.
>>93975588This. Seems particularly inorganic.
>>93975597I have, I just am running a sanity check to see if I missed any
no! my rule 0 craw wurm commander deck won't work, if i can't use jeweled lotus to get my craw wurm out faster! how could wotc do this, to innocent casual players like us?
>>93975570"Investors" are parasites who actively make the game worse and more expensive for everyone else. Don't expect any sympathy whatsoever, we wish you were fucking dead.
>>93975605https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=%28oracle%3ADiscard+oracle%3Aa+oracle%3Acard%3A%29+commander%3AURG+%28game%3Apaper%29
>>93975610this
>>93975607rule zero craw wurm to cost 3 less
>>93975588The ones telling you that it's great for the game could be shills, the ones trying to convince you that you didn't get kicked in the dick could be shills, the ones making fun of you and drinking your tears are just former players who like being right.
>It's all shillsHoly cope
>>93975614Damn, you coulda been snide, but that's a great help. Thanks
cedhfags are truly delusional
>>93975629Things that make investors cry are generally good for the game.>>93975641We are moving through the stages of cope at a blistering pace.
>>93975648>wrote on the sleeveweak
>>93974845>>93974841>Le RC are totally not heckin WotC employees!I see this so often. They get WotC paychecks, they work on sets for WotC. They write articles for WotC. They're WotC employees, and you need to go back to fucking reddit.
>>93975661Prove it.
>>93975661>They are literally on the mothership all the time>they are credited in setsConsume a live cockroach, redditor.
The timing, selection of cards being banned all being recently reprinted chase cards, all are just so suspect lol. If you’re cheering about this congrats on being retarded.
>>93975584Remove all non-basic lands. Will you be happy then?
I see the bagholders have circled back to the stage of denial.
My Chiss-Goria, doesn't give a damn.
>>93975674For what it's worth, yea, the world would be a better place if Hasbro weren't evil and I don't mean to celebrate the fact that Hasbro is evil. There's a fine line between gloating and celebration.
My absolute favorite thing about this is the zoomers in the community won't really understand why this is such a trash banlist - all they see is 'le evil INVESTORS' losing money and quitting EDH, not knowing that those same evil investors are pretty much the only guys really propping up the game right now thanks to 5 years of terrible Wizards calls. Give it another banlist or two. At this point I'm all for acceleration - ban all Reserved List cards, ban all good lands. Ban everything over $1. Let it fall apart.
>>93975584Honestly Diamond should be banned based on price alone. Love that card, very fair card, but it's way too expensive and because it's reserved list it's not coming down.There should be a policy that any card more expensive than $25 is automatically banned from Commander, regardless of other concerns, due to making the game less casual and thus going against the spirit of the format.
cheer up, emo duck
It’s gonna be a very green 2025
>>93975584GitrogGODS we're eating good
>We're banning Lotus, which can only be played in commander, because it gives too much mana even with its downside.>We're not banning Sol Ring, a card with no downsides...because it belongs in commander! F-fuck you chud!This format is going to get a lot worse in the next 12 months, I can feel it.
>tfw birthday>now this happensI think I somehow caused this bros
>>93975674maybe if it was wotc that banned them
>>93975757Do you have a diagnosis of OCD by any chance?
>>93975715>investors are pretty much the only guys really propping up the game right nowLmao you're delusional.
>>93975715>those same evil investors are pretty much the only guys really propping up the game right now thanks to 5 years of terrible Wizards calls.Good. Let it crash. It's better if it crashes. Fuck "equity". I want every card to go to zero. There should not be this perverse unofficial stock market, there should be just playing the game for fun.>At this point I'm all for acceleration - ban all Reserved List cards, ban all good lands. Ban everything over $1. Let it fall apart.Oh, you agree. Alright then?
YOU'RE A ZOOMER POORFAG REDDITOR IF YOU AREN'T UPSET THAT MY RETIREMENT PLAN WAS JUST HECKIN RUINED!!!!!!
BATTLECRUISERCHADS WE WON
>>93975760Idk but I've been complaining about Mana Crypt for years
>>93975757Happy birthday anon
They won't reverse the ban. They WILL start banning things left and right in an emotional response to all the blowback. Calling it now
>>93975752What downside does Jeweled lotus have? That you can only use it to cast the card that your deck is ostensiably built around? Boo fucking hoo.
>>93975752So...ban a card and make it so every precon has a banned card in it so that none of those precons can ever be recommended to newbies again?
>>93975777lucky trips of truthlet it all burn
>>93975761You don't know the first thing about EDH and it shows.>>93975767I agree, but not for the reasons you think.
>>93975776Gonna get this for my Endrek and pretend it's a gift from you :)
Lotta sour grapes poorfags
This is worse than when they announced UB
>>93975715>>93975761>>93975767If killing the termites in the walls causes the house to collapse, it shouldn't be standing in the first place.
>>93975761>>93975767>there should be just playing the game for fun.What game do you think there's gonna be if card value crashes?If you can buy singles for 50 cents a piece, why crack packs? Why even sell packs? MtG lives and dies on how well it can encourage gambling.
>>93975777Correct. Banlists are quarterly now, yes? Expect the next few to be absolutely insane.
>>93975789Won't question hating dimir, but you're a few decades of to still be sore on that one anon
>>93975792>What game do you think there's gonna be if card value crashes?The exact same game but without the fucking vermin infesting it.
>THE GAME WILL DIE IF YOU DON'T UNBAN MY HECKIN P2W CARDSMaximum copium
>>93974705Thank fuck
I didn't even play those cards (cracked jotus in a pack and just sat in binder) and I'm still tempted to just proxy everything moving forward now. Lesson learned, I'm newer to the hobby so not in as deep as others.
>>93975790>Blow out a support beam>See the house collapse>"Well, it must have been a shitty house!">>93975805Absolute delusion. I love to see it.
>>93975790>>93975805Lmao at leftoid economics.
>>93975799Both of those are proxies
Should ban Bowmaster. The kingmaker element on that shit is way too busted.
Is today a glorious day for the general and EDH as a whole?
"sir, the investortards are complaining again. what do we do?""release some faggy secret lair, those retards will eat it up because it's a limited scope release"
>>93974743Anyone who plays (brews) edh loves this change
>>93975820>direction brainClassic midwit.
I'm surprised at how many commies are in this general. Whatever happened to smuggie?
>>93975826marvel shit will get announced tomorrow and no one will discuss this shit anymore
>>93975820>scalperfag thinks poker is dead because you can buy poker cards anywhere
Think Mana crypt will get down to like a dollar, or is it never going to go below 30-50 due to other formats?
>>93975832He became a samefagging attention whore and was subsequently purged.
>>93974777>consistent>edh
>>93975806Retard, see:>>93975811>I'm still tempted to just proxy everything moving forward now. Lesson learned, I'm newer to the hobby so not in as deep as others.Ding ding ding, there's the problem. The game is like a fiat currency, it only works while people believe in the imaginary value of cards. If people lose faith in the value, the market crashes and there is no more card game
ummmm but I thought limitations bred creativity?
>>93975835The same people complaining, and threatening to slit their wrists while whip out their credit card, and bend the fuck over LMFAO.
>>93975837Formats such as...?
>>93975832>commiessaying "fuck investorfags" isn't a commie take, you turbo retard.
>>93974788Good, so we are all happy then.
>>93975836Hmmm if only the value of poker wasn't in the cards themselves but in some other aspect of the game...I...no...no nothing comes to mind.
>>93975846>STOP LAUGHING AT ME THIS IS SERIOUS! UNBAN NOW OR ELSE! I MEAN IT!
>>93975837>other formatsLegacy had the sense to ban it forever ago because it's fucking broken. Where the hell else would you play it?
>>93975846B-but all the anons on /edhg/ say that investors are BAD for the game!
Who has the rc's discord? I could use a laugh.
>>93975857And Magic must be obligatorily different than poker in this regard because... uh
>>93974798Only one of the two lists their singles online, and there was a single jeweled up on their website.The other probably lost a bit but won't have an issue due to the sheer size of their operation.
>>93975847This is just something leftoids say when they want to censor something
>>93975788it's the opposite
>>93975872>direction brain
This doesn't affect me because i have never and will never spend money on generically powerful cards that do not syngergize with my deck. The people complaining are faggots who are willing to pay to bruteforce their decks into being stronger, instead of actually making better decks.
>>93975851This is: >>93975790 >>93975767Commie crabs in the capitalist bucket. Tale as old as Marx himself.
"He killed himself so suddenly - we don't know why! He loved Magic: The Gathering; we even found him with some of his cards..""Mana Crypt, huh? He was found holding this card, he must have really loved it.. I think I have an idea for a headstone.."
>>93975837it's banned in legacy and as much as I love vintage, it has no influence in price since almost nobody plays it outside of eternal weekend and MTGO
>>93975814The support beam got blown out probably around a decade ago. There's also the issue of considering people who only interact with you product in terms of how much money it can make them a "Support beam" being... honestly retarded. If the only reason people want your product is so they can sell it to a bigger idiot, then no one wants your product.
>>93975881>t. plays bad decks and gets mad when he loses
>>93975877I used to be a retarded kid too. You'll grow up eventually.
>>93975868Because we're not playing for money and the value of the card is in its inherent rarity or utility????
Converting all my decks to green now. I’m going to need to buy so many singles. Thank you RC sama
>>93975893Says the direction brained retard.
this is the first time a lot of y'all have had big money cards banned and it shows
>>93974898>why rules though
>have 11 decks>this changes 0 of themfeels good not being cEDH
>>93975881>bruteforce their decks into being stronger, instead of actually making better decks.Kek. Do you seriously think you can separate "making a better deck" from "playing better cards"? Lmao what a take
>green is now the strongest color in the format>now
>>93975902Absolute child behavior. It's actually hilarious.
>>93975899>poker must be played for moneyno>the value of the card is in its inherent rarity or utilityBruh half the people playing this format play with counterfeits for a few cents. It's 2024 gramps
>>93975889>If the only reason people want your product is so they can sell it to a bigger idiot, then no one wants your product.Has been this way for literally 30 years.
>>93975907The fact that you don't shows you're a horrible deckbuilder
>>93975902Not a ban, but my first time was spending $100 on a Three Visits only to see it reprinted at uncommon a few years later. I thought it was funny.
>>93975847But people don't want to be creative, they want to netlist and win.
>>93974928ThisAnd crypt was from a magazine or whatever originally anyway not even a real mtg card that just so happened to be reprinted which was a mistake
>>93975799Crypts won't go to zero because they're still usable in cube and such. They'll take a big hit but I'll still expect them to flatten out in the 10-20 range at lowest.Lotus could actually go to zero since it's become literally unusable. It's in the same spot as Un-set cards now. Some of those still have value as novelties but that's it.
>>93975915No. Playing good cards doesnt make you a better deck builder and can only make you average at best. Refusing to play good cards dooms you to being eternally awful.
>>93975391OLIVIA GOBERT-HICKS SUCKED THE SOUL RIGHT OUT THE MAN'S DICK BECAUSE SOMEONE PLAYED A JEWELED LOTUS AGAINST HER IN A CASUAL GAME
Free Panoptic MirrorFree Sundering TitanFree Sway of the Stars
>>93975889Ok sweetie, it's clear that you've been reading the big red book of bullshit so I'll use small words to explain it to you:>If a product sells, the company selling it will make more product.>If a product does not sell, the company selling it will not make more product.With me so far? It's a pretty simply system. Got it? Ok:>If vendors believe an item will make them money, they are more likely to buy it>If vendors believe an item will lose them money, they are less likely to buy itStill following me? Ok, this is where it gets wild:>If the company selling the card game crashes the value of the cards they're selling by making them illegal to play, vendors are less likely to buy future expensive cards since they could be banned at any moment>Since vendors are buying less cards, the company makes fewer sets>This cycle either fixes itself before it gets too bad or leads to a death spiralDo you think you understand why this might be an issue?
>his commander doesn't have mana crypt stapled into it
>>93975914In general? It's been that way forever. If you can only sell something because the purchaser intends to sell it to someone for a higher price, who intends to repeat the process, then no one actually wants your product.In magic? You do realize there's an actual GAME here right? Like, the cards have an actual use.
>>93975935Uhh sheldon? where is the ban on this shit?
>>93975015>money grubbing >bans expensive cards???
>>93975933Anon dont talk about your retarded takes on politics and dont argue with people who have retarded takes on politics.
>>93975863>>93975846>The game is like a fiat currency, it only works while people believe in the imaginary value of cards.No, you idiot, the game YOU play only works on that. Your game is the game of extracting money out of people via Magic. OUR game is actually playing the game of Magic. We don't need you. You are actively harmful to us. Fucking WotC itself is unnecessary to us most of the time.
>>93975931>Free Sway of the StarsNot sure why this has to be banned but worldfire is fine
>>93975935>Double timewalk in the command zoneHow is this allowed
>>93975360When is this going to be announced anyway? How did we get a Marvel leak before this set?
>>93975947>Why can't I find a seller for this card I need? It was a common, what's going on?
>Same retards were laughing at the idea if a cedh rc last week>they all call for a cedh rc now that their investments got wiped outLMAO
>>93975069No hes notCards get bannedDeal with itI mean shit I have 2 mana crypts and a dockside you dont see me crying
>>93975935Sorry sweaty, that's too explosive. I'm gonna a have to call the rc real quick...
>>93975943>dump stock of expensive cards>ban them, prices drop drastically>buy them up at a tiny fraction of the original price>"we've listened to the community, we are going back on ourdecision" or "we listened to the community, we are now introduced separate banlists for cedh and casual">cards are legal again, prices go up>sell them againyou aren't this stupid to not realize, right?
>>93975956>everything after khans is bannedHere's your EDH bro
>>93975933I see no issue with a company going belly up because actual consumers no longer want to purchase their product. Though I'm sure you're going to use the same mental gymnastics skills that won you that shiny gold medal in Paris a few months back to somehow try and argue that my stance of wanting the free market to do its work as communist.
>>93975954Realistically Magicon Vegas in October. Tin foil hat theory is this week during TGS and to bury the outrage of the bans
>>93975882lol, nice take MaRo.
>>93975965Please understand, anon is a communist. Anything related to money flies over his head.
>>93975966>Derevi the formatLul
>>93975935>His commander isn't a dark(grixis) ritual on a stick
>>93975980Derevi sucks
>>93975913>Bruh half the people playing this format play with counterfeits for a few cents.Yes and none of those people contribute to the market, but there is enough support from those chasing cards for value that it doesn't matter.I can't believe you're basing your whole fucking argument on "um actually MtG is like poker"Poker doesn't fucking depend on new cards being printed every year. Magic does because its fucking centralized. There is a company invested in the IP of Magic that is solely responsible for adding cards to the existing pool.Several sets a year get published with gimmicky abilities and themes in the hopes of catching enough attention that people will spend money on them. New mechanics, cool art, powerful cards.There is a built in rarity system that as a rule of thumb makes good cards less common and inherently more valuable due to being printed at a lower ratio.Stop me when you're ready to concede that this is fucking nothing like poker.If people stopped believing in the value of MtG cards and accepted that they're all essentially worthless bits of cardboard, the game dies overnight.Sure you and your buddies can sit in the trenches of the corpo wars of 2028 sipping Monster and playing Magic like the good old days, but there will never be another fucking card printed.
>>93975935bro, unless you're untapping your manacrypt, it only produces two mana (untapping artifacts is degenerate and evil, that's why paradox engine is banned too)but, this is effectively 2 mana for every +4 power card you're casting, that's nutty; if you get this discount on two cards that's already TWO mana-crypts!!!! why isn't this card literal hundreds of dollars?!?!?!?
>>93975990So you actually, unironically think that if JotC stopped printing new sets effective tomorrow, everyone, every single person would stop playing MTG?
>>93975966You mean New Phyrexia
>>93975914It's not though. You THINK it's like that because you're a little Rudy and you assume all other people are little Rudys too, whether they admit it or not. But majority of us are not. We don't see Magic as a way to make one cent of profit, ever. We see Magic as a pure money loss to us, in exchange for entertainment gain. We are not the same as you.I have played Magic for as long as it's existed. I have bought, let's say quite a few cards. I have never sold one or even THOUGHT about selling one. My collection is a black hole: cards go in, cards never get out. Because I accepted - embraced - from day one that the game would only lose me money and that's that, and that is fine because I love playing this fuckshit game. I'm a collector and a player. You are an investor. And you are the type of people who need to fuck off and die. We don't need you.
>Never bought into Crypt>Traded away any Jeweled Lotus I opened from Commander Legends/Masters almost immediately for cards I'd actually play>Had one Dockside Extortionist since I got the Sevinne precon back in the day but only ever used it to enable more stupid shit in Brudiclad more than anything else and he's easily replaced by just slotting in some other 2 mana rock or another token maker>mfw when cEDHfags are in a tizzy
>mana crypt is too strong! You play things too fast!Lmao just run removal, what a bunch of babies
>>93975955Funny how Yugioh doesn't have this problem despite the fact that they constantly pump out reprints that drive down prices.
>>93975955this argument already went out the window when wotc made 6 different alt arts for every other card. card shops pretty much only keep stock at the warehouse, pay a lot less per card for trade in value, many stores don't bother listing chaff anymore, online stock is only updated once a month instead of daily. buying cards is a hassle and i unironically buy packs for commons sometimes.
>>93976006Just rule 0 it back ;)
>>93976000>Elder Dragon Highlander>without the new Elder DragonsIt's the perfect stopping point. Coincidentally right before the whole game went to shit.
Honestly just don't buy cards? That'll teach those scummy investors.
>>93976006Yes, this is the consensus opinion.
>>93975997Did I say that? Are you fucking illiterate? Did you miss the part where I said:>Sure you and your buddies can sit in the trenches of the corpo wars of 2028 sipping Monster and playing Magic like the good old days, but there will never be another fucking card printed.You can play it for as long as your cards hold up, and for as long as you can still buy the cards you're looking for, but it will be a dead game. A decade or 2 from the collapse and there will be no players because it's near impossible to get into anymore.Fuck you can't actually be this dense.
>>93976025Never heard of the DBZ cardgame, eh?
>>93976025>because it's near impossible to get into anymoreWrong, it'd be the golden age of chinaman proxies
Other formats didn't whine this much when they got the banhammer.
>>93976032other formats get their ban list updated instead of left to rot for years at a time
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>93976032That's because nobody plays them anymore
I'm out an entire paycheck. Have learned to stop spending money on the legit cards. Gonna get MPC to print out all my decks then sell off all my actual cards. Proxy chads were right all along.
Uh oh. The beanie has weighed in. The rc is fucked now.
>thread during the day: neets rejoice at crashing prices and the ability to play no proxy games without getting their shit punched in, laugh at it all>thread at night: investorfags who got off work come in to kvetch and call everyone who likes this change commieslol. lmao even.
>>93976038>post 450>thread is 2 hours old
>>93975509based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kguaGI7aZg
>>93976038Fhfpbp
>>93975183Lol
>>93975820ok smart guy, how does pokemon make money as a tcg when all its cards are dirt cheapthe answer is BY HAVING MORE PLAYERS turns out it';s easier to get people spend $50 instead of $150!!!!
>>93976044>Collectorslmao
>>93975965And if they never unban them?
>but muh hundreds of dollars worth of pushed powerful auto include cardsLmao get bent
>>93976061>Pokemon cards are dirt cheap>t. poor
>>93974836you may have been too busy shitting your diapers when Jace the Wallet Sculptor was standard-playable, but some of us were playing the game
>>93975181Man, all the times I’ve gotten out 7+ cmc commanders on like turn 3 without ever having any of those p2w cards just makes me think those guys don’t know how to build decks.
>>93976075Pokemon cards aren't the only thing that's dirt cheap now ;)
>>93976001I'm the same. These cards are going to my kid. Maybe one day he will play with themPeople using this game as an investment vehicle are pricing out the kids who should be picking it up. My most prized card is the heavily played seedborn muse that I used a marker to 'fix' the border of when I was 11. Or my water damaged Necro. I remember playing against my friend bens sliver deck after school and being disappointed when I opened a flooded strand in onslaught because it wasn't a cool creature.
Post your commander that run Jew lotus. Let's see if it's worth it.
>>93976061>ok smart guy, how does pokemon make money as a tcg when all its cards are dirt cheapOh that's easy, by being targeted at children and mentally stunted man children.You also seem to be forgetting that Pokemon cards are THE quintessential collectors card market, with original holo charizards going for $100,000
>be me>playing budget Baral MillWhat's your favorite cheap counterspell /edhg/?
He won
Post yfw you didn't run any of these cards and the ban doesn't affect you negatively in the slightest
>>93976066go to the discord, jim has already said multiple times while running damage control "ooooh my mind can be changed ;)"
>>93976087The mana isn't even necessary. It's a free artifact that sacs, that's all I need
>>93976094>counterspell>return archaeomancer>repeat
>>93975339Jeweled lotus fueled some really degenerate shit and very rarely was used to cast a vorosh the hunter on turn 3. Ill take it out of my dumb dragon deck and be happy its gone
>Remembering all of those anons who posted irl deck pics with their copies of jeweled lotus and mana cryptPouring one out for my good retards today.
actual fucking 'the format has fallen, billions must die' accelerationism posts lmfaooooooooo
>>93976106I have to swap dockside out of my prossh deck. That's all.
>>93976096Spiritually green won the most from this.
>>93976096God damn, I love odyssey. It was so cool
>>93976087>Jew LotusWotC would never print that card.
>>93975846Only if you’re only playing for value like some faggot investor.
>>93976110I don't even run it there. Crypt loss hurts, but I'm just gonna slap jeweled amulet in its place and be totally fine.
>>93976092>lying this hardholo foils and special editions are expensive yes, basic cards are not, the basic version of sheoldred the apocalypse in pokemon would be like 5$ instead of 100you are a lying faggot, when cards are less expensive more people buy them because they're more affordable, it's a bigger marketyou literally can't grasp basic economics and you're calling people commies. Slit your throat
They better not ban mana vault, I’ll have basically no reason to play my brago deck if they do. This is a slippery slope into saying that any ways of making infinite mana or infinite combos is bad. I don’t want to play creature: the tappening: the format
>>93975547SquirrelGODS stay winning.
>>93976130>lying this hardOh wait I've seen you before. You're the one that starts calling his opponents morally evil for disagreeing with him lol
>>93976132It's just as explosive as crypt tempo-wise. They will ban it.
>-ACK
I know you want those lands now that dockside and crypt are gone lmao.
>>93976132Pretty sure Monolith no.1 and 2 are miles more degenerate than single-use Sol Ring
>>93976128Buddy, if no one chased valuable cards, WotC would stop printing. You won't have a card game.
>>93975591This
>>93976132>>93976150*And I think neither of the three will go since all of them are build-arounds and not something you slap into every deck ever
>>93976139Explosive tempo cards are absolutely okay. The entire problem of the banned cards was the price. Should we start banning green ramp spells too?
>>93976113Nice. I've been trying to get an Archaeomancer from the local shops but no luck.
>>93976092Except if you just want the mechanical play piece of Charizard for the purposes of playing the game, you can get one for way cheaper. According to your logic, this shouldn't work, because being able to get a cheap non-holo Charizard reprint should utterly crash the market and ruin that 100,000 Charizard.
>>93976152So print a single chase rare version of some other existing card like literally every other card game does. The collectors get to veg out about some extra sparkles on a card while the rest of us can play with the same mass produced version of the card. Or get into actual stocks, retard.
>decide to finally read "the immortal sun">it's actually just a good card even if there are zero enemies playing planeswalkershuh, I'm gonna start shoving this into my decks
>sac outlet sol land but black pipsAAAAIIIIEEEEEEEE THIS IS TOO POWERFUL BAN IT BAN IT
>>93976087I only used it in two decks. One was proxied cedh that I only ever played when someone else wanted cedh.The other was Darien because lmao 6CMC commander in monoW. I'll survive without it.
recent bans actually gave me some hope that this shitheap of a format might get better. How is the format doing these days anyways? >t. quit due to dockside dominating every game
'real' mtg investors have other assetsbaby mtg 'investors' threaten to slit their wrists when their junk stocks get rugpulled lmfao
>>93975648Actually a good way to use the card
>>93976152Or maybe their business model shouldn’t rely on what is essentially gambling and they should switch to a print-to-order model and remove the collection aspect of the game entirely.
>>93976025>>93976029>>93976031I think anon is mostly right, 10 or 20 years after the crash Magic would be a "dead game" in the same way that other games from 10 or 20 years ago are described as dead games (not enough people to keep a website going, or even a general, but enough that you can find people still playing it). I do think anon underestimates the number of new people who would pick up the game in the future by buying bulk chaff or proxies, and I think it could see periods of revival long after the market crashed, this game had a lot of cultural impact, there are mangas about it. And in a lot of way that would be the best and purest form of the game. But the vast majority of MtG players prefer to play a game that gets new stuff, that's why they're MtG players, they'll eventually move on to some other game that gets new stuff.
>>93976169>According to your logic, this shouldn't work, because being able to get a cheap non-holo Charizard reprint should utterly crash the market and ruin that 100,000 Charizard.It's so tiresome when some faggot attributes words to you that are the exact inverse of what you actually said. Here, let me help you:>>93975990>>Bruh half the people playing this format play with counterfeits for a few cents.>Yes and none of those people contribute to the market, but there is enough support from those chasing cards for value that it doesn't matter.>>93976194>Or maybe their business model shouldn’t rely on what is essentially gamblingKek too bad, idiot. We're in too deep now.
these bans are great because its actually woken commanderfags up to the reality that cards are play pieces you arent given a special pass to shitstomp games because you paid the whale tax
>6 months from now>dark ritual, cabal ritual, culling the weak, seething song, pyretoc ritual, jeskas will, and desperate ritual are banned. We feel this early mana advantage gives black and red an unfair lead in the early game>also we feel thassas oracle, force of will, and rhystic study are in a good place and will not be taking action. If you feel these cards are causing problems have a rule 0 discussion with your group :)YOU VILL PLAY BLUE AND YOU VILL BE HAPPY
>>93976109Ha ha ha ha
>>93976197>10 or 20 years after the crash Magic would be a "dead game" in the same way that other games from 10 or 20 years ago are described as dead gamesThose "dead games" didn't have thousands of no-life nerd whales putting literal thousands in cash into them
>>93975363That's very likely. but could they really be good enough to replace these? I guess they could go the direction of the true dual lands and all the other lands that do almost what they do but worse but with mana rocks now. Though there are already so many I can't imagine how they'd do the same but slightly worse without it being worse than the rocks we already have legal.
>>93976208You forgot to ban llanowar elves
>YOU VILL PLAY BLU-No
>Nurock>1>artifact>tap: add 1Bannable?
SMDH you saddened Brian, CHUDS~!
>>93975454I hope so. It would be funny. Ancient Tomb as well.
>>93976208They're stealth buffing green and will continue to do so until no one can play without it
>>93975752>what is card density in a singleton format
>>93976208Songs of the Damned bros, we're safe..
/edhg/ has called for these bans for fucking years why are people sperging out over them?
>>93976234Almost strictly better than Springleaf Drum
Today sucks, I need to replace all my Jeweled Lotuses with Lion's Eye Diamonds. Chinaman is going to be working overtime
>>93976234Just a llanowar elves for non-green that is more resilient, auto include.
>>93975538No one who actually plays is upset with this. It's just investors and they don't matter so it's fine.
>>93976235Oh no, what if he goes again to drown his sorrows in alcohol, that would be horrible.
>>93976235>huge amount of time, effort, and heartThat's why they haven't updated the ban list in 3 years until now?Reminder this man has his own series of videos playing Commander and managed to lose every game for several years straight.
total investorfag death
>>93976206>Here, let me help you:Okay, none of those cheap Charizard reprints are counterfeit. They're all official. Now what? All you've done is demonstrate that there will be people who try to buy expensive cards even if there's another official card which is functionally identical and way cheaper. If WotC put out some rare printings with alternate art like every other card game, then investors get to invest in a way that doesn't price people out of just playing the game normally.
What are some must have Orzhov staples?
I just love seeing people's spirits broken from this.
>>93976273Island
>>93976264>then investors get to invest in a way that doesn't price people out of just playing the game normally.But you've just made the case for proxying lmao.Pick one, either there doesn't need to be a collectors market because everyone can proxy, or there should be special rares printed for collectors so poorfags aren't priced outWhich is it?
>>93976273Swamp
>>93976276>>93976280Noted, thank you.Now this will be perfect
>>93976261>Reminder this man has his own series of videos playing Commander and managed to lose every game for several years straight.Anon he's an English major, not one of the literal hookers he has on his show and continues to lose to.
>>93976273Batwing Brume
>>93976217And those guys subsidized many pounds of cardboard, some of which will sit around in boxes for many years and spark little revivals when kids find them, but those guys will be the first to move on once they find out that no new cards are being made.
>>93976273Mana VaultRystuc StudySmothering Tithe
>>93976273this cheeky fella
>>93976273Obzedat
>>93976292You seriously underestimate the inertia that this game has
Can't believe poorfags are literally at the "I want the game to die so only me and a dozen other grognards are playing" stage, just to be rid of investors lmao
>>93976016New Phyrexia was the last set to come out before the 2011 commander decks
Ahahahhaha, you faggots seriously believe EDH will die because some expensive cards hoarders and whales use got bannedfucking el o el
>>93976277I'm not talking about proxies>there should be special rares printed for collectors so poorfags aren't priced outCorrect
I proxy specifically because WotC has been catering to investorfags ever since the Reserved List was established. I'll stop proxying when WotC makes Force of Will less than $1.
>>93976277There won’t be a “need” for a collectors market because retard collectors will whale no matter what as long as something is called “special.” See: the same Pokémon example.
>>93976307>copium huffer's halfhearted smug attempt
>w-what do you mean my cardboard isnt worth anything anymore?>no nnonononno you cant do this to me I was told these card board squares were supposed to have value thats what Ive been saying to those hecking proxy chuds!>NOOOOOOO YOU PROMISED ME I COULD MAKE BACK THE MONEY I USED TO BUY INTO THIS GAME WHEN I FINALLY WANTED TO DROP THE GAME BUT NOW ITS ALL WORTHLESSproxyCHADS win again it seems hmmmm?
>>93976242They're mad because of how hard Hasbro pushed those cards while knowing that they were going to be banned. Also I guess some people think that members of the RC are going to personally buy up those cards and then unban them (which could happen, idk).
>>93976342Happened with painters. Before the unban they were "mysteriously" sold out everywhere, just like there were huge dumps of banned cards before the announcement.
>>93974904I need an edit of this with the original Dockside art getting shot.
>>93976242People are retarded
>>93976273Blind ObedienceSorin, LoIBloodseekerVault of the ArchangelIntangible VirtueBloodline KeeperNighthawkVitoGravecrawlerTribute to HungerDebtor's Knell
MY PORTFOLIOOOOO
>>93976242Those "people" were almost exclusively poorfags and brainlets
>>93976366It's not the same. The new one doesn't have the star.
>>93975360I will put on my clown nose and get serial number 04 or 444 for each FF4 legend
>>93976273Rhystic Study
poorfags won for once
>these bans herald the banning of even more oppressive, meta warping cards>mfw the cards on the chopping block are red, blue, or black and I get to watch the "muh green OP" retards get btfo
>>93976273Mana Crypt and Jeweled Lotus
>>93976380yeah, tsr retro frame yawgmoth is still like, 83bux, so it didn't drop to poverty levels
THREE BOZOS DOWNSEVEN TO GO
>>93976404kinnan should be banned for being egregiously ugly
Wow mtg fans are vocal about the new bans and they are not happy. Theyre discontented with the way commander's meta is going and the whole casualness. I guess they were holding out hope for a seperate cEDH banlist route. There's even a petition that's garnered thousands of signatures to have the bans changed. Obviously that wont happen but it shows how unhappy they are.
>>93976242The only one upset is investors. Players are making fun of them.
>>93976404Isn't one of the RC on Command Zone? Curious that I've never seen any of them play JewLo
>>93976404>mystic remoraprobably fine because of the cumulative upkeep and it hitting only non-creature spells>kinnanalso probably fine but all its players are faggots so I wouldnt care if it got banned>orcish bowmasteryeah it can go>underworld breachyep >rhysticyep>smotheringyep>TORyep
>>93976404remora is fine, smothering tithe is borderline.
Breach is fine
>>93976434He's not wrong. There is no justification for leaving Sol Ring unbanned, other than it being in absolutely every precon.
>>93976273Circle of DespairCauldron HazeCulling SunDeath GraspEvershrikeGift of OrzhovaAss Whuppin'High Priest of PenanceKaya's WrathMartyr's TombOne Thousand LashesPurgatoryRestoration GearsmithRighteous WarShroudstomperStillmoon CavalierSister Repentia
>>93976434>emphasizing "the gathering"
>>93976434From his perspective it must seem like a million dollar run of bad luck. But the truth is, it was gambling either way.
>>93976434>Emphasizing "the gathering" in magiclmao autistic retard. the gathering is about the people gathering, not gathering the cards for your deck. lmao>waaah why wouldn't they ban the cheap one so that i can step on the poors waaaaahlmao get fucked.
>>93976442Banning Sol Ring hurts poorfags, banning lotus hurts whales.
>>93976442>other than it being in absolutely every precon.That's the reason it isn't banned though. It's widely accessible.
>>93976087Dockside too. Bitch needed some serious help in my meta.
>>93975965What precedent is there for them unbanning crypt?This is just copium.
>>93976087
>>93976273Merciless Eviction
>>93976461So are proxies.
>>93976442Banning it would effectively be to call WotC retards for printing a banworthy card in dozens of precons.
>>93976404The problem with banning cards like underworld breach is that it removes valuable and rare recursion utility from more casual decks just because it ‘can’ be abused in cedh. Underworld breach isn’t a problem in my feldon of the third path deck where I just use it for some recursion late in the game.
>>93976379>equates playing obviously broken cards with intelligence >in I MAEK NEW RAT: the format
>>93976404I want smothering tithe to be banned for literally no other reason than so I can afford one of the ojou-sama alt arts.
>>93976404Remove Tithe, replace it with Thoracle and I'm okay with this.
>>93976453>but the truth is: the game was rigged from the start.
>>93976461Then the goal should be to make mana crypt, lotus, and dockside widely available instead of banning them.
>Twitterfags get uppity if you become a NOTICER about WOTC whale baiting for a year with cards they knew RC was going to ban
>>93976495Yeah, literally who cares about Chucky nowadays.
WOTC just wiped $1000s out of my bank account.I'm not going to make rent this month
>>93976502>didnt read the release
>>93976512That;s not even $1000 in the picture
>>93976479Not really. Most stores ban them outright and the process of printing is a genuine roadblock for some people.
>>93976512This is my favorite part: no "investors" ever sell their cards and make money. And if they did, they certainly didnt account for the time spent.
>>93976273Anguished UnmakingMortifyDesparkVanishing Verse
>>93976512I'll buy your HarperPrism mana crypt. Give you $100 for it.
>>93976527you post in a thread where even non-investors think you can recoup any degree of money spent on this game. At best youre looking at maybe liquidating half your collection over several years while selling those cards for way below market price.
>>93976521I paid 3k for these, what are you talking about
>>93976465>what precedent is there for them unbanning cardsthere have been lots of unbans. metalworker, worldfire, painters servant. the whole situation is unprecedented, never has there been this much screeching at a ban announcement because they've never banned so many expensive staples all at once. they knew what would happen, and the response was almost immediate from people talking about a "split format". it's not "copium", i don't give a fuck. i wanted all of these banned and i only owned one crypt and one dockside (both going into cube) amongst my 25 decks. but this is truly just a dip in the prices, if you think this is a permanent crash of these cards' prices, you are stupid.
>>93976512>lower right>"Arrifact"Sloppy proxy job.
>>93976551oh kek
>>93976087Played him effectively for years without jew lotus so he'll be fine but my sauron deck is now purely casual
>>93976551It's from the same people that gave me Gauntleoof Might and Gauntler of Power
>>93976551>>93976566Fuck, my image
>>93976523>Most stores ban them outright[citation needed]
>>93976561I've seen him popped off multiple times without the lotus.
This format is supposed to be about fun, not skipping 2-3 turns with bullshit free artifacts. Glad the rules committee finally put their fucking foot down. It's been years since I ever had faith in them.
>>93976575Ah, Chriscopher Rush, my favorite artist.
>>93976585Bait.
>when none of your decks are affected by cards getting banned
At first I want to meme about banning this but then I realized it was one of the few solution against going first.
kek there's a thermonuclear meltdown happening in my LGS's group chatwhat a glorious day this is
>>93976622post screenshots bro, love seeing investors having a melty
>>93976584Yeah but lotus really helped him pop off on t1. It won't be nearly as big of a loss as crypt but it makes t1 bullshit a bit harder to pull off
ELDRAZICHADS OUR CRYPT IS STILL ALIVE AND KICKING
DON'T ASK QUESTIONS-
>>93976502The RC doesn't have the power to reprint cards.
Sheldon was the hero we deserved.
Why are cedh faggots angry and threatening to shoot up schools? Aren't they like the competitive people that plays the best things available i don't see why a ban would affect their mindset? Or are they just degenerates that needs to play boring broken dockside loops?
>>93976664The rules committee has less power than gooks with printers, sugoi
>>93976607feels good
>>93976673>m10 relentless ratsif you are going to skip out on using rat colony at least pimp out those rats. this one is barely more expensive and a lot prettier.
>>93976692Terrible taste anon.
>>93976692>a deck can have any number of faggot rats
I cry, less target for my boi to gobble up.
>>93976692awful suggestion
>>93976502wow i love edh its my favorite 95 card format
What should I replace dockside with for blinking for infinite mana alongside palinchron and peregrine drake?
>>93976717Lilysplash Mentor
>>93976692not that anon, but I prefer the grittier artstyle of the fifth dawn relentless rats.wotc STILL refuses to do a normal release of Rat Colony, or Relentless Rats, always putting them into Secret Lair slop, bonus sheets, or the fucking Mystery Pack 2 - The cunts know what they're fucking doing.
>>93976668The latter. Most can’t even fathom any other combos that aren’t just “bounce Dockside”
>>93976723That doesn’t generate mana. I have enough enablers, I’m looking for cards that will generate more mana than it takes to blink them.
>>93976638one guy posted a video of him shredding his mana crypts and docksides and another is losing his mind because sol ring wasn't banned i didn't get this much glee out of the golos ban and that was an all-timer
>esper and naya lands from alara were beautiful>Never print them again
>>93976738Great Whale
>>93976717Picrel is what I'm going to use
>>93976772>>93976772>>93976772NEW
Ehem
>>93976706>>93976709>>93976713i mean, personally, i like this one best, but it is 160 for a single copy and that's fucked. 755 an d 757 are also good are printings.>>93976730eh, rat colony will probably get a release in an upcoming masters set. i could even see commander masters 2 and put a RB rat theme.
>>93976778fuck, forgot to attach pic.
Not sure why everyone is upset. RC was going to have to do something eventually. The game has been powercrept to an insane degree. Wizards fully admitting for years now that they create sets with commander in mind and it's caused the format to speed up dramatically. The only thing RC did wrong was allowing these cards to exist in the format for as long as it did. Sol Ring shouldn't have caught a ban as well but I think they knew it would cause riots. There excuse being that sol ring is """"""exciting """""" is one of the funniest things I've ever read. Nobody likes turn 1 sol ring. It makes everyone on the opposing side groan and makes you priority target for the rest of the game. More bans will eventually come ESPECIALLY if this finally causes cEDH fags to fuck off and make their own format.
>>93976607I had Nadu in one of my decks because it was on type and I thought it'd be funny to have every handful of games when I manage to draw and play it, but it was never going to last.
>>93976512HA HA HA HA HA
>>93976743kek
>>93976550>bans and unbans years apartSo no precedent for flip flopping, you are just grasping at strawsThe bans are clearly for power reasons and any ill intent is in your mind
>>93976166 Unironically, yes.Or get WotC to print more cheap Land hate. There is now almost 0 way to level the playing field against Green decks that ramp. Actually just give me a 0 cost artifact that says "Lands can't be put into play from anywhere other than the hand."
>>93974658I sure am glad I went nearly 100% proxy a couple of months ago, I had two or three copies of each of those cards (except Nadu) that are now cash in my wallet.
>>93976799What deck was nadu in?
now he's going to starve
>>93977005I had put it in my Tawnos, the Toymaker deck, mostly for a laugh.
>>93975024Now with your dick
>all these melties because a couple cards got bannedfirst rotation huh? >t. modern enjoyer
>>93974671fpbp
>>93976733They need to learn how to build decks then but unironically. Man i'm a competitive 1vs1 player and i love when they ban cards in a format, it opens up for being able to try and brew new stuff.
>>93975242>there is NOTHING illegal ocuringTrue.>there is NOTHING wrong ocuringFalse. It's unethical.
I’m a firm believer that if a card gets to a certain price (say 10 buckaroos) it should be banned. Pay2win and investor faggotry have no place in a casual format. cEDH itself shouldn’t even be a thing.
I want to build a deck based around sacrificing and recurring enchantments, who would be a nice commander for that? Does not need to strictly be Orzhov colors, was thinking maybe esper but am open to all suggestions
I want Hasbro to kill the MtG IP and never print another set or card. We simply have enough of them already and we can play the game using chang proxies for the next 30 years. Investor vampires, rule 0 casuals, pack buying chasing consoomers leaving the game en masse would be the best day of my life. It's only a matter of time until someone throws together a pre-2012 format and only allows cards that were printed before WotC became aware of commanders existence and popularity.
>>93978110this chad if your playgroup can handle it, if not the new master of keys guy would have fun synergies
>>93976498This. Honestly, an errata could be a fix for a few of these, like kinnan being changed to affect creatures only instead of all permanent mana sources or smothering tithe becoming a 1WWW or 2WW in cost.
>>93978110there is literally a commander for exactly that
>>93978224>It's only a matter of time until someone throws together a pre-2012 format and only allows cards that were printed before WotC became aware of commanders existence and popularity.that exists, and it is pre 2011. the format is called predh. everything up to the release of the first commander precons.
>>93978236>>93978374These are both great suggestions, thank you very much. Do you have any spicy enchantments in blue/red that you would recommend?
>>93978746im not a cedh fag so i would say whichever color you like better. RW enchantments are gonna impact your creatures more, UW enchantments are gonna impact opponents stuff more.
>>93974688this, maybe even lower price
>>93975384Ive been playing 6+ commanders for longer than you've known this format existed. I never had a problem.
>>93975980You clearly know jack shit about Derevi. He wasn't even that good when he was new.
>>93976692I don't need tranny rats in my deck
>>93974743I know I'm late to respond to this but it's hilarious how the mtg community sees calling something a board game an insult as if board game design ended at monopoly. Board games have become much more interesting and strategic in the last few decades and saying a board game is similar to edh is more insulting than vice versa.
>>93975073Netrunner chads would stay winning though :)
>>93974954fuck that guy's fake voice thing holy shit is it grating
